The Moving Sofa Problem - Numberphile

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@TheTruthSentMe
@TheTruthSentMe 7 жыл бұрын
What do you do when you can't solve a problem? You create a new problem, that you can't solve either. Genius!
@schizophrenicenthusiast
@schizophrenicenthusiast 7 жыл бұрын
That may be true, but whoever's gonna solve this problem in the future will definitely have gained perspective because of this. Check out Buffon's needle problem. One way to solve that problem is by basically creating a new harder problem similar to the original. It's one of many examples that show the importance of creativity in mathematics.
@metroidM1A1
@metroidM1A1 7 жыл бұрын
+Schizophrenic Enthusiast You mean a *reduction*
@theywalkinguptoyouand4060
@theywalkinguptoyouand4060 7 жыл бұрын
Mandalore unneccessary
@SuperKako17
@SuperKako17 6 жыл бұрын
It IS genius. That's why we do math, because solving problems is fun. The more problems, the more fun. Quite unlike real life, I guess.
@vitalnutrients744
@vitalnutrients744 6 жыл бұрын
Claudio Melendrez in real life, it might not be fun because it might be personal, and to those people that hate to problem solve, don't take it personally. Always solve problems before people have mentioned them. Always seek to find and always innovatw
@SWIFTY_WINS
@SWIFTY_WINS 5 жыл бұрын
Solution: An endless beanbag sofa that's flexible like a snake and the exact size of the hallway.
@LeafLeafy
@LeafLeafy 5 жыл бұрын
SWIFTY_WINS I feel like this is the chaotic neutral response to the problem.
@eve_the_eevee_rh
@eve_the_eevee_rh 4 жыл бұрын
Lol
@PronteCo
@PronteCo 4 жыл бұрын
well if it's endless it may as well be half the thickness for easier handling, the area is the same
@nicholasninos5688
@nicholasninos5688 4 жыл бұрын
I see we have an engineer
@MrManniG
@MrManniG 4 жыл бұрын
@@LeafLeafy would cou consider the hecksaw as the chaotic evil solution?
@shield543
@shield543 7 жыл бұрын
This problem may be extended to n degrees of freedom, which is trivial and has been left as an exercise for the reader
@antimatter2417
@antimatter2417 7 жыл бұрын
It would be an open ball of radius one for the l1 norm.
@IVIegadude
@IVIegadude 7 жыл бұрын
one of my favorite comments ever.
@Toshinben
@Toshinben 7 жыл бұрын
Those statements were sometimes true, other times they were infuriating.
@Filip6754
@Filip6754 7 жыл бұрын
Classic Gauss banter
@obsoleteprofessor2034
@obsoleteprofessor2034 7 жыл бұрын
I flunked math.. but somehow I think you're pulling my leg with your comment.
@legygax
@legygax 6 жыл бұрын
I have discovered a truly remarkable optimal shape which this corridor is too tight to contain.
@angelmendez-rivera351
@angelmendez-rivera351 4 жыл бұрын
legygax Wait....
@ivanhui6051
@ivanhui6051 4 жыл бұрын
Angel Mendez-Rivera what
@joda7697
@joda7697 4 жыл бұрын
nice reference
@trickytreyperfected1482
@trickytreyperfected1482 3 жыл бұрын
@@joda7697 what
@joda7697
@joda7697 3 жыл бұрын
@@trickytreyperfected1482 That is a reference to Fermat's last theorem, where in his notes he wrote: "I have discovered a truly marvelous proof of this which this margin is too narrow to contain." where the margin is referring to the space in his notebook.
@farnhamclose11
@farnhamclose11 5 жыл бұрын
You just need to yell: PIVOT! PIVOT!
@bunbury4620
@bunbury4620 4 жыл бұрын
I saw the title of the video. I looked for "pivot" in the comments. I found you within seconds.
@sarthakpatel314
@sarthakpatel314 4 жыл бұрын
shut up! shut up! SHUT UP!
@vinuxcyldrik
@vinuxcyldrik 4 жыл бұрын
And then, you end up cutting the sofa in half and giving it back to the store asking for a refund … classic situation XD
@uforob5601
@uforob5601 3 жыл бұрын
@@bunbury4620 the same :D
@godjavan
@godjavan 7 жыл бұрын
Professor Romik is one of my favorites! Anyone in math at Davis should definitely take the opportunity to have him!! He gave cute math puzzles to students with the highest score in linear algebra and would bring fruit from the farmer's market to differential equations
@yaus0527
@yaus0527 22 күн бұрын
Can we have a new video on this? It seems this question had been solved in 2024.
@ShadSterling
@ShadSterling 7 жыл бұрын
Now I want a Gerver Sofa. Maybe even a Gerver Desk. Where's the Numberphile store where we can buy these things?
@NonDelusional74611
@NonDelusional74611 7 жыл бұрын
Shad Sterling you will have to make it.
@crafty1098
@crafty1098 5 жыл бұрын
I'm getting into woodworking. Originally I wanted to try my hand at making a Chesterfield, but now I'm thinking a Gerver sofa next to my Morris chair, Chippendale highboy, and Sheraton desk.
@forloop7713
@forloop7713 5 жыл бұрын
Reminder for myself to make this in a few years
@prenestina
@prenestina 5 жыл бұрын
@@forloop7713 the time has come.
@petergustafsson1670
@petergustafsson1670 4 жыл бұрын
Contact IKEA! ;)
@PlayTheMind
@PlayTheMind 7 жыл бұрын
*Solution:* Chairs
@DUCKDUDE4100
@DUCKDUDE4100 7 жыл бұрын
*Solution:* PIVOT!
@ssnoyes
@ssnoyes 7 жыл бұрын
Pivot tables are completely different.
@Stryyfe84
@Stryyfe84 7 жыл бұрын
Damn dude, you really excel at this.
@dingbat6596
@dingbat6596 7 жыл бұрын
PlayTheMind Better solution: Floor
@ssnoyes
@ssnoyes 7 жыл бұрын
Word.
@sebastianzaczek
@sebastianzaczek 6 жыл бұрын
*moves sofa into 4th spatial dimension*
@cyrilsubramanian4883
@cyrilsubramanian4883 5 жыл бұрын
outstanding move
@DarkMoonDroid
@DarkMoonDroid 5 жыл бұрын
They didn't even use the 3rd yet!
@mwu365
@mwu365 5 жыл бұрын
*you weren't supposed to do that*
@JohnSmith-vs9rs
@JohnSmith-vs9rs 5 жыл бұрын
Dirk Gently?
@joshandrews8913
@joshandrews8913 4 жыл бұрын
I bet Clifford Stoll has a solution involving Klein bottles.
@cosmoscepanovic1129
@cosmoscepanovic1129 7 жыл бұрын
I love this channel. I can watch any video and feel like a mathematical prodigy even though I'm just seeing the results of someone else's hard work!
@mindstormmaster
@mindstormmaster 7 жыл бұрын
Never did I expect to see a Zoolander reference in a Numberphile video. I am not displeased.
@00bean00
@00bean00 7 жыл бұрын
Amazing edit
@sirpopovot9877
@sirpopovot9877 6 жыл бұрын
mindstormmaster Is that you Ernesto?
@PersonManManManMan
@PersonManManManMan 3 жыл бұрын
I am happily surprised
@MojoBeast
@MojoBeast 7 жыл бұрын
Brady, you do realise you're going to have to create the official limited edition sofa of Numberphile now, right? 😉
@charliespinoza1966
@charliespinoza1966 7 жыл бұрын
MojoBeast - your Modsauce and Redstone Yeti! +
@ipadair7345
@ipadair7345 7 жыл бұрын
+
@paulpeterson4216
@paulpeterson4216 7 жыл бұрын
It is clearly a love-seat, just add an S-shaped back to it. I'd go with a different color though.
@davidfinch7418
@davidfinch7418 7 жыл бұрын
A use for his brass leather stamp when the shoes are done.
@SuperKako17
@SuperKako17 6 жыл бұрын
I'm totally getting one if they do.
@bruno3
@bruno3 4 жыл бұрын
This is some groundbreaking stuff in sofa technology. When it first came out, it completely reshaped the sofa-making and sofa-moving industries. And this is what humans can achieve when they really put their mind to it. Quite inspiring.
@htxdy
@htxdy 24 күн бұрын
hi a paper just dropped😊
@easty6667
@easty6667 6 жыл бұрын
Just cut it up, move each piece individually, and use flex tape to put everything together at the end
@dboldersgaming7152
@dboldersgaming7152 4 жыл бұрын
To show the power of Flex Tape, I moved this sofa through a narrow hallway
@solarean
@solarean 4 жыл бұрын
@@dboldersgaming7152 and so it fits, i cutted it in half!"
@FreeFireFull
@FreeFireFull 7 жыл бұрын
I wonder what sort of solutions you get if the turn isn't a 90° angle, but something like 30 degrees
@roceb5009
@roceb5009 7 жыл бұрын
Freefle or one hall wider than the other
@davidb5205
@davidb5205 7 жыл бұрын
Huh. If one hall was wider than the other, does that necessarily mean that the couch takes the shape of a Gerver sofa but only limited to the width of the smaller hallway?
@ijpete98
@ijpete98 7 жыл бұрын
No, but it might mean that it's a Gerver sofa that's been elongated on the front end.
@kordellcurl7559
@kordellcurl7559 7 жыл бұрын
Freefle it would be the same shape because 30 degrees is less than 90 degrees
@Insertnamesz
@Insertnamesz 7 жыл бұрын
Ooh, the ratio of the two hallways might be able to apply to the functions of the gerver curves as a weighting factor
@TheLesserWeevil
@TheLesserWeevil 7 жыл бұрын
This guy has a fascinating voice. No matter how loud I turned up my speakers, he still sounded quiet.
@gold4963
@gold4963 7 жыл бұрын
The problem is that my mom doesn't know where to move it. :/
@victorkhan5960
@victorkhan5960 7 жыл бұрын
GOLD 1515 Hits way close to home.
@orionred2489
@orionred2489 7 жыл бұрын
That may be one of those equations that can't be described in closed format!
@fuckandroid9648
@fuckandroid9648 7 жыл бұрын
GOLD 1515 next: the decision conjecture
@SK-kk3fm
@SK-kk3fm 19 күн бұрын
Came here to see his new video for the latest update on this problem that released few days ago by Dr. Baek
@TheConnor12500
@TheConnor12500 7 жыл бұрын
This seems like the kind of question a computer could optimise through evolution very well. Of course it wouldn't give the perfect solution, but if it can be seen to be converging to one of these shape that's very strong support for the conjecture.
@FlutterBug
@FlutterBug 7 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing, this would work very well with an evolution simulation; the only problem I can think up is programming it to do the right motion around the corner, but I am sure someone more knowledgeable than me could figure it out hehe.
@Foxclip
@Foxclip 7 жыл бұрын
Wiki says: "A computation by Philip Gibbs produced a shape indistinguishable from that of Gerver's sofa giving a value for the area equal to eight significant figures.[6] This is evidence that Gerver's sofa is indeed the best possible but it remains unproven."
@fergusmaclachlan1404
@fergusmaclachlan1404 7 жыл бұрын
But where's the fun in that?
@jakubpekarek6400
@jakubpekarek6400 7 жыл бұрын
I'd say that the actually interesting part is how to solve such a problem rather than the solution itself. Simply because there can be many variations of the problem. Computer solution may confirm that your solution is indeed optimal, but if you want to know why in order to solve the other variants, you are exactly where you were before, holding no tools to approach the problem in general.
@Mew__
@Mew__ 7 жыл бұрын
What about an evolutionary algorithm that is designed in a way that it wouldn't always return the same shape as being optimal? I don't have any idea how it could be programmed, but suppose it'd work: either all optimal sofas eventually become Gerver's, OR it returns a variety of optimal sofas, all with the same optimal surface area that is greater than or equal to Gerver's, through which we can derive the criteria for an optimal sofa.
@XxChronOblivionxX
@XxChronOblivionxX Жыл бұрын
I'm imagining mathematicians buying sofas with these precise shapes for their houses, and waiting for someone to get the joke.
@karlcole5617
@karlcole5617 Жыл бұрын
i want to be that guy for some reason
@MAMAjAMAj8
@MAMAjAMAj8 7 жыл бұрын
Pivot!
@geico105
@geico105 7 жыл бұрын
As some who is taking Linear Algebra, this triggers me.
@lu933964
@lu933964 7 жыл бұрын
typical oppressive 3 dimensional behavior
@joehart1057
@joehart1057 7 жыл бұрын
MAMAjAMAj8 i get the joke
@tanayjyotidas6007
@tanayjyotidas6007 7 жыл бұрын
Shut up! Shut up!shut up 😁😁
@chinadan86
@chinadan86 6 жыл бұрын
I came down here expecting to see this
@reedclippings8991
@reedclippings8991 2 жыл бұрын
To display this level of expertise, and still not be tempted to claim certainty without sufficient evidence. This type of math seems trivial to a lot of people, but the world could learn a thing or two from this humble mindset.
@nickarutunov2114
@nickarutunov2114 7 жыл бұрын
Problem proposed by Augustin-Louis Couchy
@4ltrz555
@4ltrz555 4 жыл бұрын
wow
@skakdosmer
@skakdosmer 5 жыл бұрын
“More footage from this interview soon on Numberphile2“ No link? After more than two years?
@zergreenone8111
@zergreenone8111 7 жыл бұрын
Any fans of Douglas Adams in the house? Reminds me of Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency
@tamaspolyak5564
@tamaspolyak5564 7 жыл бұрын
You just need a time machine for the door to appear. Or you need to pivot.
@andrewknorpp9716
@andrewknorpp9716 7 жыл бұрын
i LOVE hitchhikers guide to the galaxy I want them to review it on their podcast!
@andrewknorpp9716
@andrewknorpp9716 7 жыл бұрын
Also I feel the sofas in the swamp need to know about this
@A8nton
@A8nton 7 жыл бұрын
That was the reason why i clicked on this video
@JLPicard1648
@JLPicard1648 7 жыл бұрын
Andrew Knorpp I thought those were mattresses
@ThommyTheThird
@ThommyTheThird 7 жыл бұрын
The animation at 5:40 is incredible!
@jordanjohnson714
@jordanjohnson714 7 жыл бұрын
I remember looking through Wikipedia a while ago about unsolved mathematical problems and I saw this one.
@zappawoman5183
@zappawoman5183 6 жыл бұрын
Dirk Gently wants to know if you can help him move his sofa.
@sayandas5
@sayandas5 3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing 😂😂
@scottsmith4204
@scottsmith4204 7 жыл бұрын
So how many people have these shapes of sofas? Mine is rectangle.
@entropyzero5588
@entropyzero5588 7 жыл бұрын
I've actually seen curved ones (stretched hemicircles) as well as ones where the inner angle of an 'L' shape is rounded off
@talesseed
@talesseed 7 жыл бұрын
Entropy Zero there is no entropy zero
@suwinkhamchaiwong8382
@suwinkhamchaiwong8382 6 жыл бұрын
Mine is [_][_][_] [_]
@Josho4096
@Josho4096 5 жыл бұрын
That's because you're a square.
@Ryuuuuuk
@Ryuuuuuk 4 жыл бұрын
Do you even know what entropy is? The entropy is defined as S=- sum_i p_i log p_i , with p_i a probability mass function. If you now consider a (fair) coin flip the probability for each side would be 1/2 and therefore S=1, taking the logarithm with base 2 (measuring information in bits) and using some logarithm rules or a calculator if you aren't familiar with logarithms. But now consider the completely boring case, that the coin is twoheaded, so the probability for head would be 1. Plugging this into the entropy formula S = - ln_2(1)*1 = 0 - zero entropy, meaning that we have complete information of the system.
@christinebeames2311
@christinebeames2311 3 жыл бұрын
Hi I’m a 76 year granny who can’t do algebra but find your explanations interesting , I am in awe of your mind ,
@austynhughes134
@austynhughes134 7 жыл бұрын
No matter the topic, these videos are always fantastic! Thank you for doing what you do Brady!
@alejrandom6592
@alejrandom6592 13 күн бұрын
I love how he explain a complex topic in terms of basic calculus. I love it
@8ytan
@8ytan 7 жыл бұрын
Solution: you park your time machine in the stairwell, open the door, and then use the extra space you created to manoeuvre the sofa into place.
@ufotofu9
@ufotofu9 7 жыл бұрын
Woe woe woe, easy chair buddy.
@8ytan
@8ytan 7 жыл бұрын
robberynl Fantastic.
@TheMusicalFruit
@TheMusicalFruit 7 жыл бұрын
I shot a blue portal in the floor under one end of the couch. Then I shot an orange portal on the wall facing down the hallway in the direction I wanted to move it. Then I went back and pushed the couch into the blue portal and gravity did the rest.
@moje641
@moje641 7 жыл бұрын
John Reynolds 5schtzgjg zsfgb0ougmm kg xzzzvnm0yyb u
@seansammons3639
@seansammons3639 5 жыл бұрын
Don't forget your abacus!
@tzisorey
@tzisorey 7 жыл бұрын
See, this is why engineers invented modular sofa suites ;)
@af252
@af252 7 жыл бұрын
Nah I just twist it every single angle and manage somehow
@RitobanRoyChowdhury
@RitobanRoyChowdhury 7 жыл бұрын
Sometimes, that's mathematically impossible
@poopinfruz9771
@poopinfruz9771 7 жыл бұрын
Just like trying to move a 2d sofa down a 2d hallway in a 3d reality?
@kushpatel3553
@kushpatel3553 7 жыл бұрын
you just didn't twist it enough
@frechjo
@frechjo 7 жыл бұрын
I recently moved a bed mathematically impossible to fit through the corridor. The mattress took some pushing. The bed took a window...
@muhammedali8025
@muhammedali8025 7 жыл бұрын
Joke reference to Zoolander but not the more pertinent Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency "Sofa stuck on a stair" by Douglas Adams
@spihs
@spihs 4 жыл бұрын
Yes this is the main reason I watched this!
@hitchikerspie
@hitchikerspie 7 жыл бұрын
To me! To you! To me! To you!
@PraxusUK
@PraxusUK 7 жыл бұрын
HitchhikersPie Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
@diamonddave2622
@diamonddave2622 7 жыл бұрын
I 'chuckled' at this one
@ryangranato5010
@ryangranato5010 7 жыл бұрын
What??
@vinayseth1114
@vinayseth1114 7 жыл бұрын
+HitchhikersPie I didn't get it :/
@tokyoDRIFTA
@tokyoDRIFTA 7 жыл бұрын
Chucklevision chuckle-chucklevision
@habenzaid3028
@habenzaid3028 7 жыл бұрын
Romik was really fun to listen to! I'd like to see more videos with him in them.
@connorcriss
@connorcriss 7 жыл бұрын
Congratulations on 2 million subscribers!
@numberphile
@numberphile 7 жыл бұрын
thanks
@thexavier666
@thexavier666 7 жыл бұрын
International giveaway of 2 million pies?
@bakergreg
@bakergreg 7 жыл бұрын
636619.772368 Pi to make 2 million
@bakergreg
@bakergreg 7 жыл бұрын
i did 2000000/pi
@Elgintensity
@Elgintensity 7 жыл бұрын
12:50 is that THE Tony Fadell scrolling by?
@angusheath5321
@angusheath5321 3 жыл бұрын
Who knew the roaster of CrossFit himself would end up on Numberphile.
@nathanrussell1794
@nathanrussell1794 3 жыл бұрын
ZERO
@akashdwivedi2456
@akashdwivedi2456 7 жыл бұрын
so nature designed ANT like this
@fishboss77
@fishboss77 4 жыл бұрын
Wanting to shout "PIVOT" every time they start to rotate it around the corner.
@superj1e2z6
@superj1e2z6 7 жыл бұрын
This is math solving real world problems.
@JorijnLamberink
@JorijnLamberink 7 жыл бұрын
That's not what math is about ;)
@Mark_Cook
@Mark_Cook 7 жыл бұрын
PlopKonijn But it should be. If math isn't applicable in the real world at all, then it is as useful (and at the same level) as the sci-fi writer dreaming up an ultraproto-gadget that launches laser guided shark-bots. Fun to think about, but ultimately useless.
@ze_rubenator
@ze_rubenator 7 жыл бұрын
Clearly you know nothing, Mark. Surprisingly often physicists and engineers come across obstacles in practice that were solved mathematically centuries prior. Take for example George Boole, in 1847 he invented what would later be called Boolean agebra. At the time it was perhaps a "useless" theorietical exercise, but about a century later it proved instrumental in the development of computers, and arguably kickstarted a whole new field of math that would become known as computer science, way before computers were even imagineable. Or maybe you just think computers are "ultimately useless." This whole idea that everything has to be applicable is just ridiculous.
@numbers9to0
@numbers9to0 7 жыл бұрын
Nope. In the real world you make your sofa in three parts you can take apart, not in an ugly shape.
@novosell9694
@novosell9694 7 жыл бұрын
Ze Rubenator In the end what he came up with was applicable though... He never said it had to be useful immediately.
@Eurotool
@Eurotool 4 жыл бұрын
2:34 one of the most satisfying animations I've ever seen
@geefreck
@geefreck 7 жыл бұрын
Very well done. That said, everyone knows the largest surface area sofa which can go around corners is the liquid metal sofa developed by skynet.
@JorgetePanete
@JorgetePanete 7 жыл бұрын
Dear Numberphile, it is 1:52 AM for me, and i'm watching strange sofas... i will watch 'Incredible Formula - Numberphile'. i love your channel
@koppadasao
@koppadasao 7 жыл бұрын
The smartest way to move a sofa is a Philips screwdriver
@justinward3679
@justinward3679 7 жыл бұрын
Go away you filthy engineer
@entropyzero5588
@entropyzero5588 7 жыл бұрын
Ugh, who uses Phillips srews anymore? Pozidriv is the way to go! (Plus, to deconstruct most sofas I've ever seen you'd need a saw, not a screwdriver… Hey, maybe you could optimize the number of cuts you'd have to make to get an arbitrary shape through a corridor and around a corner? xD)
@xl000
@xl000 5 жыл бұрын
@@entropyzero5588 Pozidriv?
@alexwang982
@alexwang982 5 жыл бұрын
Entropy Zero Nah the minus head screws
@crafty1098
@crafty1098 5 жыл бұрын
@@entropyzero5588 If you were Canadian, I'd forgive you for saying Robertson. But Pozidrive is right out. Torx or go home.
@Guust_Flater
@Guust_Flater 4 жыл бұрын
Could be improved by taking away curve 11 and 12 (@4:09) and make a right corner between 10 and 13. A possible consequence is that you can't remove the sofa, it only works in 1 direction.
@asparagus_syndrome
@asparagus_syndrome 2 жыл бұрын
You could turn it 180 degrees before moving it back the other way because it is symmetrical
@xystem4701
@xystem4701 7 жыл бұрын
Ooh this is really cool. I love the unsolved/unproven ones
@karlduckett
@karlduckett 3 жыл бұрын
If I ever need to move a sofa, I'd call upon the helpful team at the Sofa shop.
@er63438
@er63438 21 күн бұрын
New sofa of 2.2195 just dropped
@januszluczak9535
@januszluczak9535 21 күн бұрын
The sofa is old, just the proof that it's optimal was published few days ago
@jpdemer5
@jpdemer5 3 жыл бұрын
Now for the real challenge: a sofa that also fits through the 3-D space that is the stairwell leading up to my apartment.
@Twatical
@Twatical 7 жыл бұрын
Your channel got me through year 9, thank you.
@lc9245
@lc9245 Жыл бұрын
If we want to upgrade the problem we could add third dimension for even more chaos.
@AA-100
@AA-100 6 жыл бұрын
Now to pose an even bigger problem. What if the length, width and *height* is also 1m now what is the largest object (doesn't have to be a sofa) in cubic metres that can go through the gap. Rotating, flipping etc is allowed. The object can be of any shape and have any length, width and height. So you guys can thank me for adding yet another problem to the list of unsolved math problems.
@prophetzarquon
@prophetzarquon 6 жыл бұрын
A: 1 meter tall Gerver sofa.
@rainworldenthusiast
@rainworldenthusiast 5 жыл бұрын
B: the tardis
@crafty1098
@crafty1098 5 жыл бұрын
A 1m cube. You don't rotate it at all.
@AA-100
@AA-100 5 жыл бұрын
Surely you can do better with a semicircle with 1m height, but surely the semicircle can be beaten again...
@rayhanroesli2803
@rayhanroesli2803 7 жыл бұрын
Mathematician is one awesome job, u can literally have problem with anything and the problem will confuse not only other mathematicians but also everybody in the world
@rebeccahughes8734
@rebeccahughes8734 4 жыл бұрын
This reminds me a lot of Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency. Love it! :)
@c13rmusic
@c13rmusic 4 жыл бұрын
It bothered me that they didn't mention it, nor Douglas Adams. (Especially when they've mentioned 42 in the past) Of course, Dirk's computer was working in 3 dimensions which they also didn't mention. So... maybe they're just not up for it yet. 😜
@TheLynneee
@TheLynneee 3 жыл бұрын
The reason I clicked into this was because of Douglas Adams! They have done a video on Douglas Adams's answer to Life, Universe and Everything (42)!
@standing_around
@standing_around 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! Forget Friends, I'm here for the endlessly spinning couch simulation
@indrajitjana
@indrajitjana 7 жыл бұрын
I watch numberphile videos. But it was a pleasant surprise to watch Prof. Romik here. It was a pleasure to have him as a professor in my grad school :)
@UnimatrixOne
@UnimatrixOne 6 жыл бұрын
I thought this vid is about the problem with the sofa which is irreversibly stuck on the staircase to Richard MacDuff's apartment, in the book Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency.
@standing_around
@standing_around 2 жыл бұрын
+
@jassandhar9442
@jassandhar9442 7 жыл бұрын
Congrats on 2 million! Objectivity deserves the same love
@CntryBronco
@CntryBronco 6 жыл бұрын
Has someone tried this with 3 dimensions? Having a square tube with an X, Y, and Z turn. Im curious if it would just be his shape rotated along the longer axis 360 degrees.
@razvannicolescu6185
@razvannicolescu6185 Жыл бұрын
Maybe this will be the next unsolved problem in mathematics.
@kevinjohnson4531
@kevinjohnson4531 7 жыл бұрын
When I was in college, our professor posed the question of what's the largest 3D prism you can you turn in a hallway that meets another hallway of different width but with the same height. Solution left as an exercise to the reader.
@Axacqk
@Axacqk 21 күн бұрын
SEQUEL PLEASE!
@hasanyousef6782
@hasanyousef6782 3 жыл бұрын
You got your sofa stuck in the corner while moving your furniture around? Better call Dan and say no more ~ Dan Romik - sofa technology expert
@j.vonhogen9650
@j.vonhogen9650 5 жыл бұрын
What I would like to know is this: if the path would have to be a unique path (from 'start' to 'finish'), would the Hammersley Sofa be the optimal shape?
@gedstrom
@gedstrom 5 жыл бұрын
An interesting sub-problem might be what is the size of the largest sofa that can go around a corner of X degrees, where X is some value from zero through 180 degrees? Obviously, with a zero degree corner, the size of the sofa could be unlimited since you just continuously slide it. At the other extreme, if it has to go around a knife edge type corner of 180 degrees, I believe the semi-circle would be the optimum shape. But to find the maximum sofa for values in-between those extremes.
@brunolevilevi5054
@brunolevilevi5054 7 жыл бұрын
I wonder if Douglas Adams wrote Dirk Gently with this problem in mind, since there is a sofa that got into a position from which couldn´t be removed or something like that
@sreejithpro
@sreejithpro 7 жыл бұрын
“Odd,” agreed Reg. “I’ve certainly never come across any irreversible mathematics involving sofas. Could be a new field. Have you spoken to any spatial geometricians?” -Douglas Adams, “Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency” This is from the introduction of Paper that present this solution of Ambidextrous Sofa by Dan Romik DOI: 10.1080/10586458.2016.1270858
@brunolevilevi5054
@brunolevilevi5054 7 жыл бұрын
hehe I usually dont go through the description. Thats actually pretty cool, thanks for showing it to me! I didnt remember the exact text where the sofa problem is described, but seeing as how it is written is looks obvious that adams knew about this problem
@mansoorwahab8934
@mansoorwahab8934 7 жыл бұрын
I had Prof. Romik for Abstract Linear Algebra. One of the best teachers.
@vincentpelletier57
@vincentpelletier57 7 жыл бұрын
Did you guys talk to Dirk Gently about that problem yet? He might have some interesting insights.
@completeandunabridged.4606
@completeandunabridged.4606 7 жыл бұрын
This is why I love maths, it is the rules underlying whatever situation you can imagine.
@jamesrcdude1
@jamesrcdude1 5 жыл бұрын
What's the largest volume sofa if allowed to rotate in 3d. Assume 8' high ceilings 😉
@laila-vp9ee
@laila-vp9ee 5 жыл бұрын
James Cotter probably the exact same thing, but with a depth of 8’? Dunno, just my guess
@michaelkrapish3537
@michaelkrapish3537 4 жыл бұрын
Have a Question about measurements .. and will It Fit before I buy .. Have 31 maybe 31-1/2 front foor Looking at A big couch says 34" door opening 98ninch long is that measure to just slide in ... Is it possible to angle fit the arm first 45*it ... then ""roll """ it in
@brokenwave6125
@brokenwave6125 6 жыл бұрын
Its cool that his ambidextrous sofa is still a little better than a semi-circle which can only turn one way. It would make sense for an ambidextrous one to be way smaller but the fact that its actually bigger is cool.
@timsullivan4566
@timsullivan4566 6 жыл бұрын
This is sofa is ALSO a solution to the famous problem, "What are the MINIMUM dimensions for a sofa-bed adequate for Siamese twins who are 1 unit tall?"
@barto1035
@barto1035 4 жыл бұрын
Ok, I was wondering which sofa should i choose. Now I'm gonna go to the shop and buy this sofa. Thank you for advice!
@jonathanhurst6211
@jonathanhurst6211 7 жыл бұрын
What happened to the extra footage being added to Numberphile2?
@blairkilszombies
@blairkilszombies 7 жыл бұрын
This is what I want to know.
@David_Last_Name
@David_Last_Name 7 жыл бұрын
Do both corners need to be clipped like that, or only the front one? In the animation at 5:40 it looks like the last corner would have cleared the wall even without being shaved down like that. Meaning if you put that tiny bit back in it will increase the area slightly, thus disprove the conjecture that this is the maximum possible area.
@lcuthbert1
@lcuthbert1 7 жыл бұрын
Douglas Adams, Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency, his solution was better!
@imhocanguro2993
@imhocanguro2993 7 жыл бұрын
Lawrence Cuthbert I've always wondered if Douglas Adams was thinking about this problem when writing Dirk Gently
@austoful
@austoful 7 жыл бұрын
this is a very satisfying to watch, like an interrupted gear system.
@Gamahamel
@Gamahamel 7 жыл бұрын
Zoolander in a Numberphile video, i would never have imagine that!
@danielcollins3492
@danielcollins3492 6 жыл бұрын
I had Dr. Gerver as a professor twice at Rutgers University. Very interesting professor. He retired recently in December 2017.
@horadaalgebra2358
@horadaalgebra2358 7 жыл бұрын
numberphile=π numberphile2= 2π thanks for listening!
@mathematicssteves9921
@mathematicssteves9921 7 жыл бұрын
Hora da Álgebra you're welcome!
@Gameboygenius
@Gameboygenius 7 жыл бұрын
numberphile2=τ if I may...
@MGSLurmey
@MGSLurmey 6 жыл бұрын
2π or not 2π? That is the question.
@jakubpekarek6400
@jakubpekarek6400 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for saying "3D-printing" in the end! I was wondering the whole time whether those shapes are curved out of pineapple and mango or not. Now I can be at peace with that question.
@Adilio14
@Adilio14 7 жыл бұрын
What is this? A sofa for ants!?
@NonDelusional74611
@NonDelusional74611 7 жыл бұрын
Adil Rahim the sofa must be......THREE times bigger!
@davemarm
@davemarm 6 жыл бұрын
I was going to comment that the ambiturner sofa is in the shape of an ant and wondered if ants were shaped that way for evolutionary reasons related to the sofa problem (navigating small passageways). Then the damn Zoolander quote about ants got stuck in my head.
@jimaanders7527
@jimaanders7527 3 жыл бұрын
This is very interesting! A math problem that fits a practical real life situation, I like it!
@andrewknorpp9716
@andrewknorpp9716 7 жыл бұрын
can this work with people?
@andrewknorpp9716
@andrewknorpp9716 7 жыл бұрын
and hello internet
@dexter2392
@dexter2392 6 жыл бұрын
There are three types of Numberphile videos: 1. Fun math with James or Matt 2. Mind-blowing math with Tony 3. Serious math with serious people that have proved something.
@MatthewHaydenRE
@MatthewHaydenRE 7 жыл бұрын
Was this inspired by Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency?
@redscott5029
@redscott5029 7 жыл бұрын
Just need to have the sofa model in 3D and let the computer run simulations.
@prophetzarquon
@prophetzarquon 6 жыл бұрын
Other way 'round, I'm sure. Although ... there was a time machine involved, so...
@TheEightshot
@TheEightshot 7 жыл бұрын
This is what happens when mathematicians have too much time on their hands i think :)
@gui18bif
@gui18bif 7 жыл бұрын
TheEightshot actually this is a fun geometric problem
@rodschmidt8952
@rodschmidt8952 6 жыл бұрын
The fact that the path is not unique (while at the same time the shape is optimal) is really interesting.
@robinfreeman1810
@robinfreeman1810 7 жыл бұрын
1:54 OMG THAT'S TOM HANKS
@DICACIO1
@DICACIO1 5 жыл бұрын
oops, my bad! I thought it was Dave Gahan from Depeche Mode 😂💀
@theomnificient
@theomnificient 6 жыл бұрын
Where's part two??? It's been 17 months???
@oskarj6311
@oskarj6311 7 жыл бұрын
Now I can have the perfect sofa!!!!
@godbelow
@godbelow Жыл бұрын
This guy looks like he's desperately holding back the giggles the entire time he talks.
@jonrpearce
@jonrpearce 7 жыл бұрын
As discussed in the wonderful Dirk Gently.
@blazebluebass
@blazebluebass 7 жыл бұрын
This was one of the most interesting videos I've ever seen! The premise was entertaining, but in itself it was very exciting to listen how the problem was approached :D
@TrainTsarFun
@TrainTsarFun 5 жыл бұрын
It can turn left! Lol
@lpsp442
@lpsp442 7 жыл бұрын
I really like how that special any-corner sofa looks, but really at that point it's just two chairs with a frustrating interlinking bit.
@yoloswaggins2161
@yoloswaggins2161 7 жыл бұрын
Can't you throw CPU time at this? Some evolutionary stuff.
@jort93z
@jort93z 7 жыл бұрын
you probably could create a neural network with the goal of maximising the size and getting it around the corner. but i dont think it would get anything better.
@Ludix147
@Ludix147 7 жыл бұрын
Yolo Swaggins has been done, produced the same Gerber's shape. according to some other comment that references they Wiki .
@yoloswaggins2161
@yoloswaggins2161 7 жыл бұрын
Proposing NN for this type of problem seems novel to me, which architecture would you use? I was thinking of something like the algorithm that shaped the NASA ST5 antenna, with the collective line equations from 5:46 as constraints.
@entropyzero5588
@entropyzero5588 7 жыл бұрын
Someone has done this and their program produced a shape whose area "agrees with the computed area for Gerver’s sofa to nearly eight significant figures".
@yoloswaggins2161
@yoloswaggins2161 7 жыл бұрын
Entropy Zero, that's very interesting thank you for that.
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