The MrBeast Situation Just Got Crazier

[@neotuxxedo]

Was not expecting the shoutout. But I was expecting this video.

[@BigPanda096]

The neotuxedo lore continues

[@connerfornow]

aura

[@Alfred-Neuman]

I wasn't expecting the entire video, usually the commentary KZbinrs are just so sloppy now they're just regurgitating the information from these videos without a single ounce of critical thinking. I watched about half of the video in question before realizing it was most probably all written by Mr Beast and his team as a vengeance against Dogpack so I'm quite happy to see that I'm not the only one that have understood that.

[@Netorc]

lol

[@WildPhoenix989]

Lol

[@joshsparks4995]

I hate how people will take this video as "Beast was innocent of everything." When in reality this felt more like just doing what Soggy could to discredit dogpack specifically meanwhile muddying the waters on things he couldn't disprove which were the more serious allegations. It has the same attitude of a politician who realizes that their guy sucks but, wants to try to make them look palitable for the common man. Disprove the low hanging fruit and hide or muddy up everything else.

[@moodyxepher3729]

people cant think for themselves anymore and some people want to be proven their theories or "suss" feelings were right

[@MathivichNickerson]

@@moodyxepher3729 It’s called Mob Mentality. That perfectly sums half or most of it up.

[@wraithyoshidj6702]

Soggy been paid by beast, you heard it here first

[@braxton9192]

that's on the audience though because Soggy never said he was innocent of everything... he was just covering the specific lies that dogpack told... if people got that beast was innocent from that video they already thought he was innocent in the first place

[@Skippy18928]

@@moodyxepher3729I completely agree. There’s been several comments with people letting the whole world know that they never liked MrBeast. Gave this “I bet he’s never worked a day on his life” ah comment.

[@amberka2884]

I think many of Soggy's criticisms were valid, but his opinion on Jake Weddle left a nasty taste in my mouth. No one was ACTUALLY accusing Mr. Beast of war crimes, but Jake was saying he felt as though his agency was taken from him, he felt pressured by his boss and coworkers to continue the challenge even as his mental health continued to decline until he eventually had to stop. His feelings and opinions on what he went through are valid.

[@ruminationstation4200]

You also cant commit wae crimes outside of the context of war. Thats just a regular human rights violation. That alone makes it obviously more of a benchmarker for how meased up it is more than a real accusation

[@falakrafi]

As someone who makes jokes about bad shit I've gone through, that was like the most normal and understandable way to humorously address what went down with Jake. Totally agree it was the weirdest thing to emphasize and hound on as much as he did...the moment you create a situation that can psychologically damage a person, yeah that's wack. I feel for the guy, weird for Soggy to talk about it so much...

[@prohanta9360]

the problem is, other commentary video thought there was actual war crime. people on internet can spin everything for clicks but the add "allegedly" to save their ass from getting sued

[@falakrafi]

@@prohanta9360 For real? That's so bizarre, I guess questioning the media literacy of others (or rather, literacy of human conversation) is something worth exploring...It sounded blatantly like a joke, and I doubt Jake intended for it mean anything more than just that, thanks for the info!

[@Anonemousehouse]

Also I think a big tone of the Soggys video was due to Dogpacks DMs to soggy , saying he was going to “bury” soggy for not bandwagoning and after the recent pedo accusation it’s hard not to have a certain tone towards dogpack with how blatant hes been at just trying to cancel mrbeast instead of providing information

[@MercWTM2]

Shit is dragging on like a Dragon Ball Saga

[@geraldinchrist]

One piece

[@ፔ̇̈]

Dragging-on Ball Saga.

[@TheCJDookShow]

Ew anime

[@itsleafeonLMAO]

probably gonna keep going on even in 2025 😭😭😭

[@MercWTM2]

@@TheCJDookShow keep crying. Whether you like it or not, Dragon Ball is one of the most influential pieces of media.

[@SharpestLiVES13]

None of what SoggyCereal said still clears Mr Beast of any and all wrongdoing. Dogpack may have been a disgruntled former employee, but Mr Beast and his company still have a lot of disturbing issues they've yet to address.

[@Ernation642]

What?

[@mcreemuffins]

@@Ernation642what do you mean what? It’s literally spelled out for you.

[@BlorboLorvo]

Soggy in the video admitted the Mr beast was still bad, but many claims were false

[@mcreemuffins]

@@BlorboLorvo…it’s almost like…..that’s what they said

[@Icecoldbutters]

What I don’t think people understand is that he wasn’t trying to clear Mr beasts name he was trying to dis prove the misinformation dog pack was spreading he even said in his video that Mr beast has done a lot of bad stuff and he needs to take accountability

[@oliveragag8576]

Dogpack isn't 100% credible, but that doesn’t mean Mr. Beast is clear of most of the major allegations.

[@sentinel-q6j]

crypto scams he is trying to take people's mind of that

[@Dang.-]

​@sentinel-q6j coffeezilla already covered that and in my humble opinion, I don't think we can solely stick Jimmy Donaldson as the predecessor for doing that. Still VERY suspicious how he promoted it himself, however I think he wasn't educated on it

[@NeemuKucing]

@@Dang.-he be friend with Logan who already we know do scam with crypto shit lol, he knows what he is doing 😂

[@creationrebel9698]

No-one is 100% credible. There'll be no-one left on youtube fairly soon. Even male ducks do horrible stuff in the spring (luv ya august) (hate ya beast).

[@oliveragag8576]

@@creationrebel9698 You get what I mean. Dogpack is less credible than the average person is in this situation.

[@narwhalocean791]

if the claims are false, then why didn't mr beast or his pr team debunk stuff ages ago?

[@Lacewise]

Soggy Cereal was paid to do this because he lives outside of the US so it’s much more difficult to sue him for defamation. If they did it themselves and Dogpack sued them, and anything Dogpack said was confirmed in discovery, their whole empire would crumble because it would be international news for a week.

[@captainbat37]

Exactly

[@alexanderflores-MazterDestiny]

they are likely gonna sue dogpack thats why

[@weichutang4816]

​@@alexanderflores-MazterDestinythey've never indicated that and besides that would be stupid, because this thing was already getting forgotten so it would be in their best interests to just let the situation cool down. He's doing all of this to just try and clear his image and by doing something like that e.g. sending cease and desist letters he will only make himself appear guilty and keep bringing attention to this whole situation.

[@eyecontrol4900]

@@alexanderflores-MazterDestiny sue dogpack? mrbeast is worth MILLIONS more than him, what would they get out of suing him?

[@danver8433]

The fact MrBeast refused to talk with Coffeezilla ,but instead not only flew a random dude ,but also gave him an exclusive interview with his employees (employees MrBeast definitely didn't tell what to say or not say beforehand) should tell you everything. He doesn't want the truth to be out there,he just wants damage control and to poison the well.

[@metademetra]

Okay Coffee may have given us the best canary to see if this all true. Wait for Mr. Beast. Or someone on the team. To go "I used to like Coffeezilla, BUT-"

[@aquagoddesses]

"The Fact".. Many people refuse to comment on stories. Doesn't mean they are guilty of anything other than risk being taken out of context for clicks and ratings. Happens all the time. Judging that Jimmy is guilty because of that is nonsense. Also, how would you know if Jimmy directed his employees to say anything? You have some evidence to back that up? Or you wanna be like dogpack and just throw things on the wall and hope it sticks. Pathetic to comment like this on stuff you have zero knowledge of.

[@maffe_distroyer]

Coffe recorded the video a month ago , if he refused reunion it dosent mean automatically he is guilty Why people cannot be uncomfy or tired or even just didn't want another interview between recording of his videos?

[@jamestheeyeball8954]

He didnt talk to Jimmy he talked to employees, the whole point of the cofeezilla thing is that JIMMY knows everything not the people working on the youtube channel, why would the youtube channel employees know about jimmy's crypto stuff?

[@Lrmsskev-m4s]

Does anyone want to play Gacha life with me

[@PanTastique]

Everything in this video aside, why would I believe a single word out of a *current* Beast Employee's mouth?? Shittalking their employer isn't in their best interest. *Edit:* I see August also has a brain. Both sides have motive.

[@gijsw8681]

Lmao when she said “we HIRE a third party person to review incidents”, i was like …. That doesnt clear anything at all, just means you paid someone for good pr 😂

[@chidubemanukwu]

​@@gijsw8681I don't think you know how third party investigation work

[@Rosiestoned]

⁠@@chidubemanukwucorruption is a thing too

[@Jozzu-sz1rt]

​@@gijsw8681Yeah there is obviously shared interest by third party and mr beast 😂 that is such obvious thing.

[@TheRealCalypso]

On the Delaware ish: once is random, twice is a coincidence, 3x is a pattern. Jimmy has a pattern of ignoring predators. Plus let’s not forget Kris

[@DelilaRodriguez]

💯

[@bostonrailfan2427]

his claim about it being OK was pure BS that the laws didn’t even support but they tried to pretend that it did

[@felixtungate]

100%

[@Theunicorn2012]

On the Delaware ish: once is random, twice is a coincidence, 3x is a pattern. Jimmy has a pattern of ignoring predators. Plus let's not forget Kris

[@A-Dead-Soul]

Exactly. Mrbeast still messed up. Doesn't matter if some things aren't well explained. MRbeast is still someone thats not the greatest and i believe if it wasn't for dogpack we'd never ever know this due thanks to him people dared to go against mrbeast while useally people stay quiet.

[@Koalabalaa]

There has been so many weird things happening around this video. Pyro gets reached out to by Jimmy to react to the video, Spill Sesh also got reached out to to react to the video, Pegasus got reached out to do an interview with Jimmy, never wanted peg to post it n wanted to do an in person interview. Just strange... like super strange

[@branch7628]

This cereal guy was flown overseas by mr breast to do interviews and make this video. Regardless of if he was "paid" he was incentivized

[@VexCuomo]

I found out that Soggy was PAID to go to NC by Mr. Beast and his video was edited there as well as telling "witnesses" to debunk Dogpack. Several Content Creators were contacted and offered money to boost this MONETISED video. Dogpack did NOT get monetised. Tells me all I need to know about this SoggyCeral Mr. Beast grifter!

[@VexCuomo]

​@@branch7628He was paid.

[@thefaceoffuzz]

​@branch7628 it seems like that sit down Dan Schneider interview which was very obvious it was set up to try and make him look better.

[@mercedesswan7205]

Definitely odd, and kinda damage control esc.

[@WarpedYT]

I'm the one who drove the flying car and I worked on all those projects you showed, I can confirm I was very upset with the outcome of the flying car in particular, I don't think the car was digitally lifted but I'm going to have to check my footage. I can't comment on any of that other nonsense though.

[@TheYouTubeDemon-666]

Warped Perception?! You are my favorite KZbin channel! I saw your video a couple years ago about your RC Jet-powered car jumping 10 school buses. And if I can recall correctly, you were saying that the person operating the RC gave 75% power instead of 100% power. Which is why it failed. I would also feel upset if this was the reason why something you studied and worked so hard on failed because of an error like this. P.S. I love your videos. Keep up the great work.

[@HuffinStufff]

“Just one more Mr beast video” as August scratches his neck like a crackhead

[@wubbzturd]

270 likes with no replies is the most outrageous thing I’ve seen in weeks, and yes August is a fein for it

[@SphynxyXVII]

C'mon man...he...he needs his fix man...

[@Jamiera7890]

At least it's not morepegasus

[@weaselwovel]

"Y'all got any more of that mr beast drama??" *Furiously scratching neck. 😂😂😂

[@AddictIQ]

@@Jamiera7890 Thank the lord

[@davidmaxwell4696]

Gonna be real with you, Soggy Cereal comes off as Mr Beast’s damage control. A random no-name KZbinr who gets flown overseas to Mr Beast Headquarters by a Mr Beast employee, to have interviews with other Mr Beast employees that proceed to bad mouth and discredit a whistleblower…like just at baseline that is *incredibly* suspicious. And you saying that he doesn’t come off as the sort to have underhanded intent does very little to assuage that. Like just at the most basic level, what is his motive for debunking Dogpack? Dogpack was clearly a disgruntled employee, it was pretty obvious why he made his original video. But Soggy Cereal? What reason does he have to plunge headfirst into this drama? Clout? Money? Favors? I seriously doubt he was motivated by a desire to bring truth and justice to light. And then there’s the matter of Mr Beast sending out links of Soggy’s video to content creators with a request to cover it. The whole situation reeks of manipulation and underhanded tactics.

[@branch7628]

He's definitely a paid plant

[@Iaintgivingumahemail]

pure delusion and copium use a brain dumbfuck

[@justabloke7222]

Mr Beast knows damage has been done already, and that people will keep investigating for evidence. He’s probably using Soggy Cereal to keep the public opinion in control for a while

[@Thatprrrr]

Only beef I've seen about these two is on Twitter because soggy and dogpack were having a back and forth in there and soggy clearly didn't like him. Apparently soggy was also privy to some info at the time, so i think it's possible that video was in the making for a little while

[@kovy689]

Exactly. He’s a paid mouthpiece for Mr Beast. And I’m sure he’s paid very handsomely to do all of this.

[@iiprofresh]

29:01 I fully agree with this. Because Mr Beast has been privately reaching out to youtubers, one of which is Pyrocynical, and pushing soggy’s video to them to make a video about. Which he did on his second channel PyroLive. This I found strange as Mr Beast never followed, neither acknowledged nor communicated with Pyro ever in the past. That was the first he has spoken to Mr Beast and received a follow from him as well. This was looking like damage control and Mr Beast is essentially hiding behind soggy to minimize the allegations. For clarity, dogpack started the downward spiral on Mr Beast, Rosanna is just an extra. If he discredits dogpack, the only one throwing out bold accusations, then he essentially gets to walk away with a lighter sentence or maybe even run away clean. I watched Soggy’s video and it left me with a bad feeling. I feeling like I should analyze and question everything he says and puts in the video. And after looking at hints like: the voice recording of dogpack getting fired, interviews with people that do not like dogpack and certain edits poking fun of dogpacks credibility. All of this told me that he is maliciously and knowingly trying to get rid of dogpack. He even spins dogpacks words to paint a narrative, just like what he thinks dogpack is doing. There might be something big at play here and maybe Mr Beast is involved, or I might just be overthinking. But my gut says DO NOT TRUST SOGGY CEREAL, at least not everything.

[@lilgking64]

Take what they both said with a grain of salt, dog pack and soggy are both not really that credible of you think about it

[@chidubemanukwu]

Chunky literally was debunking Dogpack the moment these allegations started but people didn't listen when the third party investigation found nothing illegal, they called him investigating himself. Soggy cereal does an investigation and finds out that most of the allegations are false . People call him a sellout or paided off by Mr beast while making in the video , he was criticizing Mr beast.

[@chidubemanukwu]

But Dogpack can get away with slander like it's nothing because he against mr beast. Dogpack who journalist integrity at alll

[@NeemuKucing]

@@chidubemanukwuthe difference is, dog pack is Mr beast ex employee. Soggy is not. How he got all those recording? There is no way someone who not have higher position in mr beast have those recording lol Mr beast even doesn’t want talk to coffezila

[@mercedesswan7205]

I’m still kinda on DogPack’s side for all this controversy. I don’t think he maintained his journalistic integrity very well, especially once Rosanna got onboard. However, his information seems less “exclusive”, and more personal knowledge of the company, whereas Mr. Cereals info seems like it’s coming straight from the Beast himself. Almost like Jimmy is trying to do damage control, and got bro to make a video discrediting DP’s videos. As August mentions at the beginning of the video, it’s also a little weird that he attacks DP for certain things, but does the exact same things in his own video. Certainly something to think about.

[@Lacewise]

Mr. Beast paid for Soggy Cereal’s travel so your first instinct is spot on. Before you ask, Soggy Cereal said so himself on Chud Lud’s channel.

[@TheLikenessOfNormal]

@@Lacewiseeven beyond that. Soggy apparently had a recording of Dogpack getting fired. Who could provide that besides someone high up at Mr. Beast. At least someone with unfettered access to personnel files and confident enough they wouldn’t get sued or fired for disseminating confidential personal information to someone not at the company.

[@Lacewise]

@@TheLikenessOfNormal oh I knew Mr. Beast was behind the video right away but for the first 48 hours people were constantly arguing I was paranoid. Whole situation is bizarre in that it was transparent.

[@Lionhart22]

I'm in the same boat as you. Dogpack may have not handled his journalism well but I have no reason to believe he's just a "disgruntled" employee. Mr Beast definitely paid Soggy to attack Dogpack cause why would some euro dude care so much about what's being said against Mr Beast

[@StoicMao]

@@Lionhart22 agreeed

[@iheartnjdevils3536]

Dude, DogPack discusses his employment after Chucky claimed the same thing about being an employee of only "3 weeks". DogPack worked with MrBeast as a 3rd party contractor for months before being hired on as an employee.

[@Astro82896]

glad someone mention this

[@glitchhoffe1293]

Glad someone remembered this, because I sure as hell didn’t. But thanks for the reminder.

[@santisanchez8282]

Soggy Cereal is deferentially a paid actor I do not trust a word he says

[@DanielJacobs-rz1zl]

​@@Astro82896He doesn't actually do into detail about what he really did because if he did most people would wonder on how exactly can a guy who only worked at a company for a few weeks somehow have all of this knowledge. It doesn't help the vid makes him be someone who's just angry he got fired for being bad at his job.

[@Lillith.]

Thank you, I thought I remembered DogPack mentioning it at some point.

[@Ohnoanywaybzzz]

That Kara person did not pass the vibe check. She's the one who came up with the "no doesn't mean no" stuff. Plus her statements about the locoya situation, she thinks it's all funsies. "We hired a third party who didn't find anything but still removed the COO for a random employee and brought him back when that employee left so it's all Gucci"

[@bingofromblueyfan]

I feel like both Dogpack and Soggy have good points but some of Soggy’s seems like a stretch and not to mention that he made a false allegation about Cam Nuggets which he removed from the video because it wasn’t true

[@SillyMovies-x6m]

Yes finally some one says something

[@johngulster7787]

He least he didn't double down and try to gaslight people unlike dogpack.

[@likashitps]

Atleast he removes false allegations bruv

[@bingofromblueyfan]

@ well like I said both have good points and honestly I don’t hate either I may not like MrBeast but I’m not a hater just grew out of him

[@GameWars_Productions63]

Soggy’s was much more put together and better. Soggy didn’t gaslight anyone or just run with allegations. Also, soggy was able to disprove every point and quickly with evidence.

[@LightYagamiSOS]

The fact that mrbeast sent Soggy's video to loads of big creators feels suspicious to me. I feel like he paid Soggy to make the video. He has exclusive stuff that no one else has - how did he get that? He gives mrbeast the benefit of the doubt multiple times and doesn't talk about the more serious stuff. I don't trust it.

[@CCA_]

Remember innocent till proven guilty. Anyways some of soggy’s video is still a bit up in the air however for a decent amount of the claims he disproved he also provided a good amount of evidence. However it’s easy to go well I don’t think this company is good so all bad things said about must be true. Think about it this way would you want people making up crimes about you cause you did one thing a good amount of time ago. Remember that these people are people with lives and that saying something’s could be life ruining.

[@meraj5393]

Soggy replied to the fact that Mr beast is using his video as shield from everything. So I doubt that. Considering just how rude and to the point, soggy's review was paid of.

[@DanielTurner69-v7q]

I will say when soggy tried to prove that the 10 minute real time vid didn’t have a timer edited in post soggy skipped the part where dogpack showed the intro being sped up and the guy touching the laser one thing is for sure soggy isn’t 100% correct and Mrbeast sending his video to ppl seems VERY SUS

[@cucumbertoucher]

Dogpack404 fanboy lol

[@Thatprrrr]

Apparently soggy was flown out and given accomodations so he can interview the employees too, so obviously Mr beeast team knew how this would go

[@malachieman1975]

This video actually convinced me of Mister beasts guilt. An exposure video that absolutely and accidentally leaves out the smoking gun and tries to reframe evidence. Has media literacy fallen this low?

[@hml25]

It DID these people aren't journalist nor do they try to be most of these videos are very biased

[@Isredel11]

Summary of my thoughts: dogpack definitely came off as a disgruntled employee with a chip on his shoulder and an agenda, but that doesn’t necessarily mean dog pack was wrong. Soggy cereal (can we please come up with better names) shows that a lot of what dog pack said was untrue or misrepresented… but at the same time 1. Doesn’t disprove everything dog pack said and 2. The Mr beast controversy goes way beyond dog pack, so no, he’s not “exonerated” and back to being an angel by default. At the end of the day, lots of accusations against Mr beast has been levied WITH EVIDENCE. Obviously hold dog pack accountable for what he bullshited, but understand Mr Beast… still isn’t a great guy, just someone with a great image. He was still best friends with a predator (Ava Tyson) which started this whole mess. While Delaware’s name origins weren’t true… he still employed a sexual offender to a company making content for kids. One of those things is bad luck, two is just incompetence, willful or otherwise. At the end of the day, Mr Beast’s excellent guy image is just that - an image. While he’s definitely not the worst person on Earth, he’s also not a saint despite how he markets himself. There is simply too much out there showing that (beast games are a known production nightmare that negatively impacts contestants, he spends a lot of money on gambling despite his insistence on donating all of this money, he associates and works with known scammers - Hi Logan Paul, the aforementioned predators, and some of the philanthropy in his videos being exaggerated at best).

[@maumau22]

I ain't readin' allat (I did)

[@LoCoAde87]

This needs to be pinned. Nailed it. Big up. 👏

[@davidmaxwell4696]

Exactly. All this drama aside it doesn’t change the fact that Mr Beast is a scummy guy exploiting people for money and influence. The internet being the internet though, I wouldn’t be surprised if everyone starts focusing on Dogpack/Soggy Cereal instead and this all devolves into infighting, leaving Mr Beast able to slip away and repair his reputation in spite of all the genuine evidence against him.

[@Karmanara]

not sure why people think this but being friends with a predator you hade ZERO CLUE WAS A PREDATOR doesn't mean you're just as guilty.

[@otis8397]

@@Karmanara least mrbeast meatrider. he ABSOLUTELY KNEW it ever since they became friends.

[@RoseWilder]

Mr. Beast are messaging people the Soggy Cereal video and asking people to talk about it. Spill Sesh made a video about it yesterday.

[@bostonrailfan2427]

considering itbwas a pure hit piece orchestrated by his PR people that’s not a shock…everything he said was cleared by them and put into his mouth

[@ofthenearfuture]

This behavior is why I'm still sus of Mr Beast, and is most likely a concerted effort between him and Soggy to clear Jimmy's name. How and why did Soggy get so much access and confidential information?

[@eyecontrol4900]

he also cancelled an interview with Morepegasus recently, and chickened out.

[@craniums5290]

soggy has come out saying he doesnt want mrbeast sending his video to creators, he also said he isn't disproving some of dogpacks other claims, just a few that were false.

[@RoseWilder]

@@craniums5290 That's true. It's a really bad tactic on Mr. Beast's side.

[@carlorkinman2237]

Feels like Soggy is taking too many personal shots at dogpack for this to be a "debunking" video.

[@BluCarnage]

If you see the actual video Soggy made, he makes it clear that it was a personally charged video

[@sweetbabyalaska]

Soggy's literally doing the exact same stuff that hes accusing DogPack of... and this by no means clears Mr Beasts name of the most substantial claims against him.

[@nintendogamerkid350]

Bro is a dog pack lover.

[@Karmanara]

name them.

[@sweetbabyalaska]

@@nintendogamerkid350 nah hes an idiot too... Ive been subbed to Soggy for a long time, I just think this was a fat L on his part

[@hopelessromantic3786]

Yeah, all of the important stuff remains in contention. I don't care about lotteries or faked videos. People are losing the woods for the trees here, and I think that's what Mr. Beasts team wanted when they gave all those interviews.

[@asmooshi9752]

​@@Karmanara hiring a known pdfile and having him in childen orientated vids.

[@Meghann_Brady]

What I don't understand is how all of the Beast employees seem to switch their roles so much. All of the people Soggy interviewed said "I used to work in this position, but i switched to this position, now i'm bla bla bla". Like the girl said she was in HR at one point?? Why are they all jumping around roles that they probably aren't qualified for? Let alone how they handled the whole Lacoya thing....

[@Lacewise]

The company is not well-structured, it’s a temple to James Donaldson’s ego, where only he gets to make the final decisions (also it’s really good for benefit of the doubt if they do something wrong or cut corners they shouldn’t)

[@Meghann_Brady]

@ we love plausible deniability lollll

[@pancakesorwaffles5859]

People did say that the job was messy and was handled a bit immaturely. A work group was formed on Discord apparently as well. So I think it might just be poor management. It is suspicious though. But I think it replicates more of their company’s procedures than the employees’ capabilities

[@Meghann_Brady]

@@pancakesorwaffles5859 totally agree with you. I didn't mean to shit on the employees themselves. It just seems so odd for a company to shuffle employees around like that.

[@Lacewise]

@@Meghann_Brady keep in mind it’s a large media company that works closely with KZbin to prevent the US government from declaring them broadcasters so they don’t have to follow safety regulations

[@nixchelle]

33:02 I also think it’s important to note that just like Dawson can’t say so much about the workplace because he only worked there for 3 weeks, the employees can’t say much about his character from only working with him 3 weeks

[@D_YellowMadness]

Considering MrBeast paid for Soggy's flight so he could interview MrBeast's employees & there's strong evidence that MrBeast paid him to make the video too, a lot of Soggy's video is just a MrBeast employee interviewing other MrBeast employees in a video monitored, bought, & endorsed by MrBeast about evidence supplied by MrBeast & hidden from all the critics until they'd already uploaded their videos. It's very similar to a tactic that's illegal in court because of how unfair it is. You're not allowed to present new evidence in court without discussing it with certain other people first so they're prepared to discuss it.

[@trollman5457]

They’re not even in court first of all and not only that but dogpack basically did the same thing against Mr beast

[@LegendaryDorkKnight]

@@trollman5457 Except dogpack had to go gather the evidence and other source against the grain of people who are defending MrBeast. For someone supporting MrBeast, all they have to do is go tell MrBeast "Hey, I wanna make a video defending you against ______. Got any dirt on them?"

[@branch7628]

S@@trollman5457 Strawman argument. You did not refute any of the points you inve ted a new, weaker, non existant argument. Nowhere in the comment does he state they are in court

[@hotoke666]

Dude I know right,mr beast him self needs to clear all of this up bruh he is cooked He is also trying to "damage control" like how he asked other people to react to soggy's video he is cooked💀💀

[@lukagrlanovic81]

​@@branch7628brother the end of the comment literally incinuates that wtf are you on about op if it didnt why would op even mention that this is illegal in court

[@tiffytatortots1278]

The fact Mrr. Beast is all of a sudden following KZbinrs , sending them messages with the link to the soggy video and asking for them to make videos for him is all I need to know. I also think its shady af that so many YTers are making these videos and not disclosing Beast reached out to them.

[@Ernation642]

Question. how is that different from what any other company, channel or person does. Dog pack did the exact same thing so that tells me all I need to know.

[@jessicac8090]

Question, havent finished the video yet but how do people know that mr beast is messaging other youtubers?

[@Icecoldbutters]

He can’t really control what mr beast sends people and dog pack did the same thing

[@alevitatingtrashcan7023]

​​@@jessicac8090look at their videos pyrocynical confirms it, spill sesh confirms it, nuxanor confirms it, it think there was another one i forgot

[@the-experiment]

@@jessicac8090pyrocynical in his newest mr beast slop video showed dm’s from beast that had him asking if pyro could watch and cover the soggy cereal video

[@TimeScout]

I love how people try to discard a solid case because one or two points turn out to be wrong, so by there logic everything is wrong 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Dang.-]

Yeah, I agree. There is a lot of shady stuff, but I would rather trust him than Dogpack at this point.

[@maffe_distroyer]

People just wanna be haters , is dream situation all over again

[@SayShelo]

It's not that everything is wrong it's more like if he lied about this it calls to question your integrity as a source of information

[@MrBloom2037]

In some states it’s actually illegal to record an employee being terminated and uploading that footage to be public, Dogpack if you see this you should get lawyers involved.

[@spider_bite2429]

he wont lmao

[@A_D_H_L]

I think he’ll be too busy dealing with his defamation claims

[@thedinkster2163]

It depends on if it's a one party consent state. In one party consent states one party has to consent to being recording. So if the person recording consents to being recorded, you met all legal obligations. Other than that it depends on company policy. Basically a lawyer wouldn't be able to do anything.

[@MorrisPlaysGames]

North Carolina, where the Beast Company is located, is a one-party consent state, and employers are advised to do so in the case that an incident happens during the termination. Then, the company has the evidence that's more than He said She said.

[@dillonh321]

No, it is not illegal to record a termination meeting in North Carolina as the state is a "one-party consent" state, meaning that as long as one participant in the conversation consents to the recording, it is legal to record it, even if the other party is unaware.

[@ianlee5812]

This drama has so many plot twists and off-the-wall insanity, you swear it was directed by M. Night Shyamalan and Neil Breen.

[@quintonposs3286]

And Terry Gilliam.

[@TheCJDookShow]

Im better than September the crow

[@TheCJDookShow]

Im better than October the owl

[@TheCJDookShow]

Im better than November the penguin

[@TheCJDookShow]

Im better than December the pigeon

[@b.a.m.4135]

So basically this video cleared Mr Beast of most everything except for supporting individuals who express illegal forms of sexual deviance, gross negligence leading to injury on the set of The Beast Games, and misrepresenting the extent of his charity work... so like the important things.

[@chidubemanukwu]

The third party investigation already covered the sexual deprivaty part saying no sexual misconduct happened . Those Ava allegations not Jimmy's and second of all Mr beast is being sued for not paying contest overtime pay for the beast game and what do you mean by misrepresents charity

[@NeemuKucing]

@@chidubemanukwuthird party that Mr beast hire?

[@osric729]

The issue with soggy's video is dude REAAALLLLY needed to hide his bias better. He's clearly VERY biased and it shows in a lot of the points where he also goes with the "trust me bro" sources and handwaves the chat behavior. It really discredits a lot of his GENUINE points. Also, the ending of that anime has the girl "that wasn't a romantic interest" literally confesses to him, he rejects her, then she comes back to him after graduating highschool. Tell me how that's not sketch?

[@A_D_H_L]

They both didn’t hide their biases well

[@JohnJohnBinks186]

lol I didn’t know anything about that anime so I took five minutes to look it up and found out what happens. Like come on, that’s so easy to confirm. Of course some people in the anime community are gonna be like nah uh it’s not weird. I haven’t been following this drama closely, but clearly both these people have their biases. Obviously Mr. Beast didn’t do everything he was accused of, but obviously he did do some of what he was accused of. Now can poor August stop being held at gun point to do these videos?

[@maagi1]

Dogpack's bias was even more clear, because he was mad about losing the job. There was no proof of Soggy having any kind of relationship with MrBeast. And your point on the anime is kinda stupid. It's normal for younger girl to have crush on older man. And the man rejected her like he was supposed to. The romantic interest would have to go other way for your point to be the case, because in that scenario Ava would be the older man, who crushes on kids. Romantic interest you are talking about is complete opposite of Ava's case.

[@JohnJohnBinks186]

⁠@@maagi1 yeah only to get with her after graduation. You do realize that’s weird right? I’m 24. If I did that it would be creepy and I would expect people to call me out. It’s literally argued that he treats her like a daughter lol. The traumatized teen HS prostitute girl gets together with the 26 year old guy that sees her as a daughter after graduation. She’s over 18 now so it’s chill. Nah, that’s weird af. I have no stake in this, so regardless of who’s more bias, it’s clear that Mr. Beast isn’t a saint and still has serious accusations against him with evidence

[@かんちょう-q9p]

Almost every videos I watched about this drama has bias

[@0redfr0g0]

19:00 Dogpack is saying "per bar" because realistically a kid is not going to eat half the chocolate bar and save the rest because its '1 serving' they are going to finish the bigger bar and therefore get more calories and sugar than the smaller portioned Hershey bar.

[@winnieid2727]

The best to compare is per 100gr for each not per serving size. Serving size have been manipulated by food companies for years to make their products looks better...

[@midorin319]

Are you going to compare a litre bottle with a 500ml bottle? Nutrient is compared per gram. Especially chocolate or drinks. Not per bar

[@KaoChanOfTheBreadClub]

Both make sense. Comparing the impact on kids could be made per bar of chocolate because kids normally consume the whole thing every time, they get a snack. Comparing nutrition facts though, it's better to compare per bar. BUT note, Soggy saying lower calories and sugar on feastables doesn't make it any healthier. The difference is pretty trivial and Soggy's point completely ignores the fact that Dawson pointed out there's a change in the feastable formula making it unhealthier but the advertising that it's a healthy snack was never updated.

[@malachieman1975]

Because no kid ever eats one serving of a chocolate bar, or counts calories. Dog pack is correct

[@midorin319]

@@malachieman1975 dogpack lied, made false evidence, edited fake proof. Still correct? You are dumb

[@FlameDarkfire]

I also hate how people try to dismiss allegations because they come from a "disgruntled former employee." Like, I don't expect that a current, happy employee is gonna blow the whistle on wrongdoings.

[@ROB_LAW98K]

Soggy tryna be all holier than thou doesn’t fly for me especially since it seems like he’s playing both sides. Interviewing all of these people who are OBVIOUSLY biased towards Mr Beast and using them as “credible sources” is a dick move.

[@Lacewise]

They also paid for his flight!

[@AquaCoalaNest]

For me the "dick move" was the publishing of the audio.

[@SdKfz-r7i]

its dumb asl how he dismissed jake the viking like that, def paid off

[@vollied4865]

Fun fact, its illegal to release audio from a work place. Soggy unironically opened himself up to an insane lawsuit if dogpack wanted to, and technically so did mr beast by providing said audio Dog pack messed up sure, but mr beast and soggy just nuked themselves in court 😂

[@mkesl]

Depending on the state. One party or two.

[@FnMadsuby]

I tried to check any source related to this... And.. I found out that it is illegal to do so 😨

[@foolishlydia]

soggy doesnt live in the us so idk if that even applies here

[@Ali-po9le]

​@doozersapling would the victim being in the us make a difference?

[@foolishlydia]

@@Ali-po9le i would think not. because the video was distributed outside of the us. im not sure how it would work internationally

[@introvertidiot1502]

This is a very objective analysis. Good job. It seems convenient that only Soggy Cereal was able to interview people on a topic that just happens to benefit them. He was even flown out using their money. While other interviewers don't even get an email reply. This situation is very gray all the way around. So many hidden agendas. People trying to spite each other. I could easily see Soggy Ceral's motive for the Dogpack expose being that he got tilted when dogpack threatened him or something. That being said, I am glad that some of the things that clearly highlight Dogpack's bad faith in the investigation were proven, even if it was because of animosity between the creators.

[@SergH.]

“Accidentally” hiring someone is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Then saying that somehow excuses him is yet another level of dumb

[@aquagoddesses]

I guess you blew up on KZbin, and started a company at 18, right? And when you did, you knew EXACTLY what to do, right? You are aware how dumb you sound like, yes?

[@aquagoddesses]

@@hi-tr1bt yeah

[@speccysquaregolike9629]

Yeah like "whoops, I fell over and filled out all the documentation to make you an official employee. I'm such a clutz!"

[@chidubemanukwu]

​@@speccysquaregolike9629Then how did best buy hire him ?

[@TheTrueFry]

@@aquagoddesses Just because he was 18 at the time doesn't absolve him of the responsibility of the founder of a brand. I can feel a bit sympathetic since he was still young at the time, but that isn't the point here. He still messed up, and he has to take responsibility for his actions. This is what you sound like: If a 18yo shot a man, he should not take any responsibility because he was a teen. (It isn't this serious, but the point still stands.)

[@bugg4070]

the war crime thing was def technically a joke, halfway. i think the point was more that keeping the lights on so people can’t sleep is a type of torture (aka sleep deprivation) and that ur not even allowed to do that in war bc of how awful it is. no one ever meant he made an actual war crime 💀 just another way to express how fucked up that was

[@wastedpotato4555]

Plenty of people sleep with lights on. I wouldn't call it torture

[@trollman5457]

Language matters a lot on serious matters like these

[@lexWill]

​@wastedpotato4555 It's not about the light it has to do with the Human brain having no indication of day/night cycles which will disrupt circadian rhythm and other brain functions. I often sleep with lights on to but even so I can clearly tell night from day. This was not the case during the Mr. Beast filming there were no windows thus disrupting the night day cycle which can cause psychosis. It's on one of the reasons solitary confinement is harmful to brain health. There are interesting peer reviewed studies on this if you check out Google Scholar or WorldCat via a library.

[@Thebatcavepetfriendlybakery]

Willingly sleeping with the lights on and being forced to is different. Humans like having the choice to do things, even the illusion of choice. Losing control or not having a choice makes us uncomfortable. For example, i choose to stay in bed all day, i enjoy it and feel relaxed. If im bed ridden from being sick, i get upset that i cant do anything and i wish i could dance or do chores or even shower standing up, anything but be in bed. Its why prison is effective is tearing people down, take away freedoms and choices and people will be miserable. @wastedpotato4555

[@SakuNCoffee]

@@wastedpotato4555 are those people in a white room for 30 days without seeing the outside?

[@redmaple3432]

Soggy Cereal ain’t innocent either: 1) Overlooked the Locoya Hill allegations without disproving them 2) Downplayed the how badly Weddle was treated in MrBeast (even Dustin thought Weddle wasn’t lying about his treatment in the first iteration of the solitary confinement challenge) 3) Downplayed the reasons as to why Delaware was kept in MrBeast (his employment represents a pattern of the company hiring problematic people and then just being too negligent to care about their crimes even after they get exposed) 4) Referenced a Stucky video on the Beast Games lawsuit that completely misses the point on why the Beast Games drama was horrible (the video paints the contestants as greedy since they had the option to leave and used terrible defences in their lawsuit even though such defences can be attributed to their legal representation, and the contestants still were justified in suing MrBeast as the withholding of basic necessities and the hospitalization of contestants on account of negligence is straight up unacceptable) 5) Painted CamNuggets as a PEDOPHILE in an out of context clip that was later removed 6) Was paid out by Dustin and didn’t mention it in the description until almost a week after the video was published and garnered 900k views (if you couldn’t do the interviews in-person because of financial constraints on your own end, just don’t do the interviews at all; not to mention the fact that in a now unlisted Chud Logic interview that Soggy admitted that the employees would likely be biased) 7) Downplays the full extent to which Jimmy knew about Tyson’s degenerate behaviour VERDICT: Everyone in this drama sucks - MrBeast is a scummy, corrupt employer - DogPack404 is a bad journalist who uses innocent people as collateral for his wrongdoings - Soggy uses the exact same tactics as DogPack404 yet doesn’t take into account his own faults, hence he’s a hypocrite - Most commentators of this drama appear to only be grifters or deceitful and don’t care about adding on new info to the drama - The viewers for blindly believing one person’s take on the drama and harassing, bullying, or doxxing those who disagree with them

[@ThisIsNotMyUsername]

Soggy Cereal's video left a sour taste in my mouth. Sure, he debunked a few things, but much of the other stuff was either irrelevant or trivial. I also didn't like that he belittled Jake's experience simply because he couldn't tell that the comment about breaking the Geneva Conventions was obviously a joke. Jake laughs as he says it too. That shouldn't matter. What he went through (if true) is awful regardless of anything else. The lack of sleep can screw with you. idk Soggy Cereal's video just feels off. Like he's a petty child trying to get back at someone.

[@BoredandAngry]

Oh man.. poor guy.. got to voluntarily enter a challenge winning tens/hundreds of thousands of dollars, was able to leave at any time, and those NAZIS left the lights on! Wow! Turn the lights off so the guy can win more money than my entire family has ever had combined, Bigots! I'm so offended! lol.

[@uxydra6403]

I kinda agree. But I don't get how someone who thinks of the Soggy vid like this can take Dogpack seriously (not talking specificly about you). His videos are very similiar.

[@yoshi1017]

@@uxydra6403everyone in this situation is a clown

[@lukagrlanovic81]

Ooo boo hoo baby made 10k a day but he couldnt sleep o poor baby grow a fucking spine dude was making more money a day that some ppl se there entire lifes and could leave with all the money he earned whenever he wantes dudes just a major clout hungry bitch

[@WispofisisCaelum]

Couldn’t agree more soggy literally victim blamed Jake’s trauma. Not defending dogoack whatsoever but soggy is just as sus with the whole video.

[@Themasterbot]

Tbh it’s not the stuff that dogpack mentioned that makes me now hate Mr beast, but all the other stuff that got uncovered as result, promoting gambling/crypto, “fake” philanthropy (at least to make him look better), unpaid work, camera being shoved which makes it hard to trust the legitimacy. And the idea of lunchly certified the hate. and with the “voice leaks” and interviews, AND mrbeast comment, with allegations of mrbeast spreading the video for protection, it almost feels like a “paid coverup” with that excuse to seem innocent “just a theory though”

[@Some_Guy6]

Update on Johnny Somali = Johnny may also be facing additional charges for his actions here in the USA, specifically Orlando Florida where he allegedly assaulted a minor and threated to r@p3 her, all on camera. So he could spend 10 years in a Korean prison just to get deported back to the USA to be arrested again at the airport and go right back to prison. Also, he might get ADDITIONAL charges for t3rror1sm in South Korea, a video has showed up where he played a constant message there is a b0mb on the metro in Korean language.

[@buta6608]

Hard to take anyone seriously when the whole video they talk in a goofy condescending voice (soggy cereal). It comes off as though you're already assuming your audience is stupid, which is immediately off putting.

[@Icecoldbutters]

He does this in every video of his it’s just how he talks and how his accent comes off

[@buta6608]

@Icecoldbutters ya, I watched the whole video and it's definitely not just his accent.

[@Icecoldbutters]

@@buta6608 he talks like this in every video he has been on KZbin for years so unless this is the biggest scandal of changing your voice for whatever reason and fooling your audience then it’s just his actual voice

[@antibspyu]

I agree.. that soggycereal guy talking in that sarcastic tone seems so much more manipulative than the guy he's accusing of lying.

[@buta6608]

@Icecoldbutters i didn't say it wasn't his voice, but it's very obvious when he changes his tone to be condescending/sarcastic and it makes it hard to take him seriously or think he's genuine

[@Rey-ju8ic]

Soggy got paid by Beast to make the video, that alone discredits him. Dogpack404 didn't make a cent of his videos, he funded them himself. This guy got flown across the world by Beast to interview Beast employees about a controversy targeting Beast... This shit couldn't be more shady.

[@winnieid2727]

Yup basically paid spokesperson

[@lukagrlanovic81]

Proof he got paid to make the vid or are you just making shit up like dogpack bro got flown out didnt hide it and said he dosent like beast linking his vid to other yt to defend himself secondly dogpack made money of his vids if you think he didnt then your just plain stupid

[@Pimp.My.Forklift]

This is not journalism, it's advertisement. "This is my unbiased review of Assassin's Creed Mirage, Ubisoft payed for my flights to come and speak with the devs and check out the studio"

[@maffe_distroyer]

As if dogpack didn't later make a bunch of cash out of sheep views lmao 😂

[@gijsw8681]

+1

[@ThePastTheorists]

Soggy said that there's some stuff which he doesn't know anything about so he won't address them. Although yes I do find it strange that despite the chat leaks, he says that Jimmy had no clue which makes absolutely NEGATIVE sense because you can't not know about something while simultaneously being an active participant

[@iiprofresh]

10:02 is he trying to downplay here. Bro is actually minimizing the fact that Mr Beast failed to run background checks. This would have been acceptable if Jimmy didn’t have the resources, but he does. And also when called out for it he should have just taken accountability for it instead of staying silent and dishing out PR nonsense.

[@lukagrlanovic81]

This happened before mr beast was a company secondly he literally stole employes from a big ass company with more resourses than him youd think that big ass company would have not hired a pdf-file

[@afghdkfekjk1509]

The storytelling really becomes obvious when he says they were "buying cars with pennies" sounds like Bill O'reily doing a poor person impression. No sorry. 18 and have a business, you can do background checks. You don't need 300 people to run a simple background check, 6 people is more than enough and blaming the companies you poached your employees from is a cop-out. Being immature isn't an excuse, if ur immature, don't run a business.

[@FlameDarkfire]

@@lukagrlanovic81big companies can and do hire criminals. Being a registered SO is not an AUTOMATIC disqualifier.

[@iiprofresh]

@@afghdkfekjk1509I agree with this. It sounds like an excuse rather than taking accountability.

[@SdKfz-r7i]

they shouldve kicked him off after that but nah they just dont care

[@LoCoAde87]

Firstly, even if what Dogpack says is 25% right, and I think it's significantly higher tbf, it is still huge. Secondly, there is still far too much smoke around Mr. Beast. From his partnership with KSI and Logan Paul, his rimming of Elon Musk, his crypto antics, the stuff that went on at Vegas, faking vids and namely the results with the hide n seek. And there is more I can't remember off the top of my head at near 2am here.

[@CCA_]

Yeah, again I don’t think soggy or August are clearing Mr. Beast name but more that the excess allegations are false but also that Dogpack isn’t 100% trustworthy as a good amount of his alligations may be false or that he just doesn’t have the experience to comment on such things. Say you were on trial for something bad like murder you wouldn’t want other people making up that you’re also a robber, or a SAer.

[@cyaneetnoodlesmaker2251]

August isn’t clearing mr beast name. He is just stating his mind and fact straight

[@liquidnation9992]

Wait, what happened in Vegas?

[@sydneyice]

​@liquidnation9992 I wanna know too but, what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas

[@Wumbo_the_Mumbo]

Except herpes. That'll come back with ya ​@@sydneyice

[@ricktandron3669]

I stand by DogPack. He can't include every detail in his videos. Whistle blowers are typically on the side of righteousness because they know there is a HUGE power imbalance and everything they say will be dissected by someone with a million times the resources. I stand by DogPack for speaking TRUTH to POWER.

[@HeavenlyHostGaming]

Thought you said “it’s been a few months since I’ve talked about obesity”

[@Smallllllllllllllwolf]

Same what 💀

[@p-__]

My farts are better than August’s farts 💨

[@WingedAsarath]

So did the automated subtitles

[@SuperDuper-CoolGuy]

I knew I couldn't be the only one!!!

[@rockstarskolas]

Yeah, your mom’s been out of town for a little while now

[@TrueDemonLordRimuruTempest]

7:00 I hate this argument. That somehow because Jimmy gives some money to charity, he should not be criticized for scummy stuff he does because somehow, he can help less people through charity. Jimmy spends significantly less than 1% his yearly income for personal PR reasons, hell I and many others around me give away an order of magnitude more of our income away to others without seeking anything in return. If Jimmy wanted to give 10-100x what he currently is spending by giving to more Charites it literally still wouldn't change his quality of life. It's almost as if this person is being paid to defend Jimmy here...

[@theblackunicorn261]

I'm still on DogPack's side for this. Sure, there are some point against him, but its not like its a black and white situation, Just because DogPack's wrong doesn't mean Mr Beast is automatically right. He's still a shitty person who doesn't deserved as big a channel as he has. Also, as you mentioned, SoggyCereal literally ended up doing some of the stuff he called DogPack out for. Does that not also decrease his credibility, as it supposedly did for DogPack? Some of these accusations also seem very stretched, frankly it feels like SoggyCereal is just a hired damage control. Soggy may be a smaller creator, but that also fits with Mr Beast's motive, he wouldn't want to offer a larger youtuber a paid gig that may be rejected/exposed if they warrant it not worth it. Smaller creators, no offense meant, are much more likely to accept these kinds of deals

[@joeymckinney]

Everything about this video is so odd, it kinda seems like Mr. Beast had him make this video, how did he get the video of him getting fired

[@Alfred-Neuman]

100% what I was thinking. I won't be surprised if the script was written or approved by Jimmy and paid this guy to make this video just to get some vengeance. In the video he's ignoring the worst things about this story and he's just focusing on some minor details that weren't entirely exact. Also an interesting detail, Jimmy sent a DM to SomeOrdinaryGamers to tell him to watch this video as soon as it was published on YT then SOG asked him if he could share this DM in his video and Jimmy responded "I would prefer not but you do what you want". The audio of Dogpack getting fired was most probably just for this video and it's extremely unprofessional for a company to do something like this.

[@joeymckinney]

@Alfred-Neuman yeah that's insane, I'm not a Mr. Beast fan, but I'm not rooting on his downfall, and it feels like this is just a roundabout way to try to get the problem to go away

[@elbowremovalservice]

@@Alfred-Neuman Same with Pyrocynical

[@lukagrlanovic81]

​@@Alfred-Neumanbrother when your gettin accused of the things mr beast is there is no profesionalism or honor you use everything you got plus recording an employi getting fired is not ilegal and in some states even encouraged so shit like this dosent happen secondly soggy isnt ignoring the worst he just isnt dissproving it his whole vid is pointing out the lies of dogpack if he cant do that then he has 0 reason to addrea a claim he cant dissprove

[@hatguy3959]

You cant trust anyone anymore

[@TheCJDookShow]

Im better than September the crow 😂😂😂

[@Duckz4bucks]

People actually think he’s a Disney villain

[@mirabil3]

i wouldnt be surprised if tomorrow matpat gonna come out saying he cheated on his wife or some shi

[@WillF1980]

Mr beast likes to drown kittens -Abraham Lincoln

[@afighter6974]

DONT JINX IT ​@@mirabil3

[@nezzylearns]

While I can definitively say that Soggy Kellogg seems he was paid to defend Mr Beast I can say it seems oddly suspicious. He isn’t neutral and the connection to current employees doesn’t add up. Why didn’t the employees go in DogPacks channel to defend themselves. They could have easily with a lawyer answered DogPacks questions

[@lisapop5219]

Oh yeah, the slavery thing was part of it. Originally, the website was anti slavery and around the time the formula changed, that was dropped off the website. It was brought up pretty early so I can understand why you don't remember it

[@goingferalluvs]

Never covered: 1. Even if people had permission to use Mr Beast signature, blatant lying to fans that "mr Beast" or some celebrity signed something when they didnt is wrong 2. How Mr Beast does indeed manipulate children (and the storefronts to display his chocolates more than any other brand- yes he does this in the area) 3. Not mentioning the claims of Jimmy being a public disturbance like when he litters...or makes very loud videos during the night- as someone that lives in the area *he does this*. And Four: interviewing the person that allegedly made the "no doesnt mean no" rule in the handbook to defend it- that's a bad phrase to use and defending it for any purpose is even worse- who says that??

[@Dang.-]

Don't forget the misogyny allegations

[@Zero-v9vv]

good points

[@jojosuniverze]

Never knew who SoggyCereal was before today but can already tell he’s one of the most insufferable people to be around

[@BluCarnage]

Darn

[@fernandomartinezamaro170]

soggy is paid by mr beast , dogpack reached out to mr beast himself about comments on the stuff he would talk about and everyone ignored him. but this guy suddenly has everyone at mr beast on his side willing to talk about it

[@santisanchez8282]

thank you for saying something that should be obvious but it seems to fly over the heads of most people

[@moodyxepher3729]

thats a good observation. I also am a little suss on the recording they have of dogpack, remember when dogpack played a recording of Mr.Beast where he is freaking out about everything? and Dogpack revealed its AI and how easy it to fake something ? yyeah people forgot about that.

[@BallisticWistfully]

@@moodyxepher3729 that was jake weddle not dogpack

[@VANIT_E]

Soggy asked A LOT of leading questions in his video. That, to me, discredited his argument against Dogpack. Why TF are you asking leading questions?

[@KittyxKult]

The feastables bar thing is silly. He clearly labeled it “bar for bar comparison” people eating candy don’t break it in half. They eat the whole candy bar. So he’s comparing them based on how the AVERAGE person will consume it. Also note when soggy cereal tries to discredit this, he says “one serving of hersheys (45g) vs one serving of feastables (35g)” the serving size for feastables is LESS than a serving of hersheys and contains nearly the same amount of calories and sugar, it’s not the gotcha he was wanting bc if you compare 45g of hersheys to 45g of feastables, the amounts are almost exactly the same. Pair this with the burger situation and new lunchly drama crap, and he regularly makes claims his food will be healthier, more affordable, etc and then backtracks on those claims

[@slimjimmypage]

There are so, so many things that "Soggy Cereal" said that don't follow logic. It's such trash "debunking". DogPack404's expose is by no means journalism, but the attempted debunk is really shoddy. DogPack404: I can understand why someone would post what he's posted. Soggy Cereal: I do not understand why someone would really go out of their way to do this in the way they did. Someone call an adult journalist.

[@cybergalacticnova]

But also if CoffeeZilla also got into it, I’m more inclined to believe Dogpack not Soggy Cereal really.

[@lukagrlanovic81]

​@@cybergalacticnovacoffe got into in because of crypto not because of any of dogpacks shoddy allegations so your logic makes 0 sense

[@metademetra]

According to Coffee, he TRIED to be the adult journalist and was left on read. I'm still worried Coffee might not be trying as hard because he eas previously on friendly terms with Mr. Beast, but I'm hoping I'm wrong.

[@psyche7668]

@@cybergalacticnovadog pack meat rider

[@maffe_distroyer]

As if dogpack didn't fabricated lies , why the blind support ?

[@charliestarlie-b6x]

This is the one piece of youtube drama it just dont end

[@antoniofernandesmarchetti1097]

You say that because you don't know the Raluca drama!

[@CAT-2323]

I love your profile pic

[@wastedpotato4555]

Atleast one piece is worth it 😂

[@Nsnsms1]

@@wastedpotato4555the drama is real but you know what isn’t real? The one piece it’s made up Roger manipulated every pirate

[@wastedpotato4555]

@@Nsnsms1 muu...

[@albakingification]

Soggy comes across from the start as someone desperate for the attention of Jimmy to boost his own channel.

[@Thatguy2youtube]

You can literally hear Kara's voice shivering qhen she spoke in that interview. You absolutely know she's trying her best to sound out what she's sayin just good enough to make everything appear ok. Seems like a Mr. Beast PR scripting. Do as you're told says Mr. Beast's Legal Team..., smh man. I mean, tf is the matter with people that they'd rather sell out for those paychecks and than to have a moral bone ANYWHERE in their body!?!

[@Fa113n94]

I find it very unlikely that current employee's would interview without Jimmy's approval with all the bad PR going on I would 100% think this was paid for.

[@nordwithnovelty]

​@mcowley895 what I'm still trying to understand is why he had to fly out there in the first place? He interviewed other people over zoom or whatever, but he couldn't do that for those few people? And wierd that the ones who he talked to (hoodie specifically) were folks that already started they had a beef with dogpack. Also, that one girl calling the chef guy just so he could say essentially "he said my cooking was not great so clearly a terrible person" was so freaking cringe and staged.

[@land_shark_maw1048]

I’m pretty sure it was like when he was first getting kinda big

[@Fa113n94]

@@land_shark_maw1048 I find it very annoying they will use this to make it seem like he hasn't done anything with mentioning the Mr beast games the crypto scams and products marketed towards children he's still a scum bag.

[@DarkWestern]

*"And if you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you”* ~Friedrich Nietzsche

[@TheSAMCRAW]

I saw Spill Sesh cover this video as well but she said that Mr. Beast was in her DMs asking her to cover this specific video where his employees defend him and she even showed a reddit post revealing Mr beast was messaging and following multiple creators then asking them to do the same thing. was this the case for you as well?

[@li_rocchi_]

35:06 - not sure if anyone saw pyrocynicals video on this topic but mr beast actually reached out to him to look into it. so mr beast is endorsing this video

[@Zammer.8]

The captions: "It's been over a month since I've last talked about obesity"

[@slivxr2186]

One thing i noticed is Dogpack compared the chocolates by bar, so doing x2 for the serving size for feastables makes sense. Comparing just serving sizes just seems like those marketing tricks to show its "better" cause of less sugar when the whole bar has more sugar

[@exhaustedmich]

yupp. or like how a packet of ramen is supposed to be 2-4 servings. i highly doubt people who eat feastables are going by the serving size

[@slivxr2186]

@@exhaustedmich exactly, which is why it makes sense to compare them by the bar instead of by serving size. So many products hide behind serving sizes

[@moreswoop7532]

@@slivxr2186 the issue wasnt that the bar itself was two sizes, if there was only a two serving bar that would make sense. but dogpack specifcally chose the king size feastables bar for his example

[@lolwarrior2181]

You do realize that comparing per bar is a dumb way to compare which one is healthy and which one isn't? By your logic then people should just compare their chocolate bar with a competitor's XL-bar to make their own brand look healthy.

[@slivxr2186]

@@lolwarrior2181 I mean the bars that soggy cereal hold up seem about the same size. But you have a point, comparing different sized products sucks just as bad as companies hiding behind serving sizes

[@Weckacore]

If there's all this easily attained information to debunk all the allegations, why hasn't Team Beast had an official statement?

[@Vyvyarth]

I actually watched the entire anime and read the manga for the salary man and 17yo. In the end they basically stay on "when the girl is of age, they can try to date ". Its still grooming. Also he rejects the adult woman in hopes he can be with sayu in the future

[@D_YellowMadness]

Dogpack could've easily made the part about war crimes totally reasonable by mentioning that not being done in a war disqualifies it as a warcrime so the focus of that point could've just been on how evil it is that MrBeast would do something so bad that the only thing stopping it from being a war crime is that he didn't do it in a war. Then, we wouldn't have so many people arguing semantics. On the flipside, Soggy Cereal showed an undeniably CGI shredder while claiming CGI wasn't used & then showed a very different shredder that looks less like CGI & didn't acknowledge the clearly CGI one.

[@pancakesorwaffles5859]

I thought Soggy Cereal mentioned that the CGI was used as a safety precaution, as leaked by one of the employees…

[@BoredandAngry]

Poor guy.. he couldn't sleep with the lights off while winning hundreds of thousands of dollars :(

[@ChildOfNeed]

​@@BoredandAngry nah fr though, im neutral in this, and idk why people are so worked up on that

[@Mikelamakesvids]

@@BoredandAngry You're just undermining his experience, this is NOT written in good faith.

[@lukagrlanovic81]

​@@Mikelamakesvidsbrother he was raking in money every day more money than some ppl see there entire lives secondly he could leave whenever he wantes and keep all the money he made the dudes just a bitch no ifs ands or butss and you defending him for being one is so stupid

[@NiallAndHisPotatoes]

Remember guys, Jake lying about this whole thing doesn't make Mr Beast any more of a saint.

[@domilink9747]

Jake didn’t really lie. He more accurately just exaggerated if anything.

[@glitchhoffe1293]

(Which Jake are we talking about) Weddle didn’t lie or exaggerate anything. The only thing stopping what Jimmy did to him from being a war crime is the fact that a war wasn’t happening that involved them… so calling it a war crime would technically be accurate.

[@chidubemanukwu]

​@@glitchhoffe1293he also had ability to leave the facility at any time

[@glitchhoffe1293]

@chidubemanukwu Fun Fact: Being extremely sleep deprived is like being drunk, that’s right, being awake for as long as weddle was you would be on the same level as being drunk :D Stop defending Jimmy for this, they coerced him to stay there multiple times when he expressed wanting to leave, not only that but due to the mold in both the ice cream machine and the hot tub he was inhaling toxic fumes, and the noise from said ice machine going off also kept him awake. Any when you have hundreds of thousands of dollars being waved in front of your face to stay it blocks your urgency, he was struggling for money, and when he was going into it a lot of the ideas sounded goofy but when you put those ideas into practice without anyone on crew being responsible with this or putting in proper care and research and know one knows what their doing, things go wrong clearly, it was their job to make sure Weddle was okay, Jimmy was in charge of this whole thing and it went so south, yet you put also the blame of the person who was on the same brain level capability as a drunk person at the time bc of how sleep deprived he were and then they made him run a marathon after that🙄. There’s literally nothing more I can tell you cause no matter what I tell you, you’ll still find a way to twist this or ignore everything to defend Jimmy. It’s disgusting. What Weddle went through was torture, and I’m not just throwing that word in there, it is and was torture.

[@SayShelo]

Are we talking about the so called viking or weddle

[@Auroraborealiss_]

What I think makes Cereals video less credible is the fact he interviewed current employees. In situations like these where a company is under scrutiny, the PR team will not want any current employees talking about allegations on their behalf, even if they are trying to defend the company, because that can often lead to misinformation being spread. From a PR standpoint letting random current employees be a part of this video makes no sense, unless MrBeast and his team were in on it. Another thing that makes this seem more shady is the fact that MrBeast reached out to many commentary youtubers to talk about this video. He also commented under this video while it still had only a bit over 10k views. It definitely makes it seem like MrBeast was at least aware that this was being made. It definitely seems like MrBeast trying to respond to the allegations, without actually responding to the allegations in order to not make more of his audience aware of these allegations. I think Dogpack and Cereal both are flawed, which is exactly why Dogpack is trying to let more professional sources and traditional media take over reporting on MrBeast. Being able to debunk the less alarming allegations such as faking videos, the lotteries ect. in my opinion does not matter in the bigger picture. MrBeast still has created a weird work culture and hired people who should never work in children’s entertainment, faked things related to his philanthropy (yes his philanthropy helps many, but lying about charity is a terrible thing to do and in my opinion is at the very least a very good show of MrBeasts character), Beast Games and the new crypto stuff. I don’t think Cereal is a bad person, but his video should be viewed with a heavy dose of salt.

[@JLinusVanPelt]

I mean ... for regular people it's sometimes impossible to get a reply out of a simple comment on KZbin from their favorite KZbinr... I wonder how you can get them to fly you and let you interview their personnel in regards to a delicate subject in the middle of a controversy, out of their good heart and for no benefit whatsoever

[@Polyeurythane]

And then have the KZbinr thank you for your video (and calling the allegations/other videos “baseless slander”) before eventually deleting the comment

[@JLinusVanPelt]

@@Polyeurythane What a puzzle

[@caseydanger5648]

for me its the fact that mr beast immediatly commented on soggy's video, seems like he knew it was coming.

[@WobblesandBean]

Of course he knew. He's in on this.

[@Ascension721]

I also immediately saw the video. I had no clue.

[@reidt182]

plot's gotten so thick, it's denser than a block of concrete

[@GeekRobotYT]

I think my biggest problem with both Dog Pack and Soggy’s videos are that they treated them like comedy skits I mean August you throw a joke here and there but that’s more to lighten the mood overall you treat the information with the seriousness it deserves I can’t say the same for the other two

[@rakhmathadita3917]

soggy tried to do "kiII the messenger" tactics

[@lachlank]

Next video: I worked for soggy cereal, he’s a fraud.

[@Oliver-rf5th]

Soggy had some good points but talked in circles, which annoys me. He really only disproved low-level issues and acted as if it saved Mr beast's ass like he is not a bad guy Now I don't love dog but soggy was grasping at some straws

[@Kate-gy2pc]

Thank you. I agree with Augusttheduck on the fact that soggy did similar, if not the same, things to what he claims dogpack did.

[@The_quiet_kkd]

Why are people assuming his vid was to prove mr Beast innocent The video was prove that dog pack isn't as trustworthy ashe claim and is a manipulative person No where in the video did soggy say mr Beast is innocent so idk why most people in this comment section are "this doesn't prove mr Beast is a good person"

[@Oliver-rf5th]

@The_quiet_kkd you are right in the sense that he didn't outwardly say, " Mr beast is great!" But he clearly uses pitty in a couple of his arguments to "prove. " Mr beast is a pitifully person to gain brownie point. Neither of them are good people, but it's somewhat clear that he trys to save face for Mr. Beast by debunking the shallow issues.

[@UltraCraftYT222]

@The_quiet_kkd maybe they assume it's about proving Mr. Beasts innocence because the video is literally titled "The REAL truth about Mr. Beast"? And also has in the thumbnail debunked allegations? The title is misleading/clickbait.

[@lolactus8908]

Soggy literally has an entire twitter thread up rn, going over MrBeast being a fraudster. He literally recommended Coffeezilla's video which exposes MrBeast suspicious financial activity. The problem is people assuming just because he doesn't like Dogpack's lies, he's on MrBeast's side.

[@evinred4993]

The most important thing ive learned about this whole thing is that a lot of people (more than i thought) refuse to see a middle ground, Like two opposing sides can still both be wrong. If a robber robs another robber that doesn't suddenly make them both not criminals, they both are still in the wrong. Its not like you have to pick a side with Internet drama. You literally can sit on the fence with popcorn.

[@Lacewise]

I refuse to take a video at least partially expensed by Mr. Beast seriously because I don’t go for obvious propaganda

[@uxydra6403]

​@@LacewiseI assume you wouldn't believe a person trying to attack a company with an obvious motive then?

[@CarolCanGame]

Same. Mrbeast drama make the internet go to shit really. I'm on the very neutral side here, where I believe mrbeast did do bad stuffs, dogpack overexxagerate a lot of information in the process of exposing him extensively, and soggy being hella biased here, even when he tried to be non bs. All I demand is a mrbeast response video, clearing his name while also addressing serious stuff, apologizing, and moving on for the better

[@Lacewise]

@@uxydra6403 slant is not the same as a paid piece pretending it’s not paid.

[@Zero-v9vv]

@@CarolCanGame Yeah Mrbeast should stop hiding behind smaller creators, like this is sad

[@RubeusRuby]

I appreciate that you are able to correct yourself when new information comes out so that you aren't misleading your audience. Some ppl don't like that. But to be able to admit that you know you've made a mistake and you're trying to clear it up instead of ignoring and only sticking to one side is awesome from a commentary channel . Thanks August

[@Shyammont]

a 42 minute august video is a blessing

[@p-__]

My farts are better than August’s farts 💨

[@drcluck9573]

​@@p-__they reek though

[@halfdeadhomo2967]

Fr like I just noticed the length. Gonna be great. Hope you enjoy this, fellow duck enjoyer.

[@oreotigercat]

Why would a company or employer even record themselves firing an employee in the first place

[@UncleGamer077]

Some do incase the fired employee try to make a false claim against the company, Example someone could go around saying 'my job sacked me because of me skin color' where the company can show proof the reason he/she got sacked because they're shit at the job'. The person whos doing the sacking however will need to be fully aware of the recording to prevent exposing any personal details out (home address) etc

[@Billy_Rizzle]

It's normal for corp sized employers to record the meetings of employees getting fired. It protects the employer from false allegations and the employee from wrongful terminations (via litigation and subenoa). Leaking the recording should seriously be questioned as it might breach of employment laws and possible a data breach.

[@maffe_distroyer]

I know this might sound crazy , but when you fire somebody that is known for being agressive or unstable , you gonna need a backup for safety and suing

[@SayShelo]

Pretty sure it's called "insurance" to some people in the event of something like this happens

[@scottbissonnette514]

The comparison of soggy’s youtube style - keep the energy up delivery and your this is just how it is - I’m talking delivery… I appreciate your style

[@FillaneAmmisto]

Kind of additional information on the Jake the Viking version of the Delaware stuff: Jake himself that this version is what he was told by Delaware. He himself doesnt witness that

[@j1s_s0l]

The beast glaze from Soggy is so funny, I bet those payout was good, maybe even a big house good

[@WobblesandBean]

Yeah, it's painfully obvious MeBeast paid Soggy off.

[@dillanjackson8522]

@@WobblesandBeanme when I don’t watch the video

[@chidubemanukwu]

Did you even watch the video

[@Catastrophic_meowsalot93]

Okay. Lemme get this straight. SoggyCereal was tryna call out Dogpack's allegations, but in reality made the whole drama a whole jumbled up mess?? Man, this is gonna drag on to 2025.

[@ziljin]

How long until soggy gets exposed for being a fraud?

[@mantraki]

Till another guy named Carlos villagrande appears in the mr beast drama lore

[@jessicac8090]

Waiting for a drenchedcat1278 to post the video and enter this mr beast cinematic universe

[@Nsnsms1]

3 months

[@GiantGunt_EthanRalph]

Already happened lmao

[@Lacewise]

@@GiantGunt_EthanRalphI was going to say! It’s wild how many people don’t know what Soggy Cereal said on Chud Lud’s channel but he’s definitely trying to keep it from becoming common knowledge

[@jolynecujoh23]

basically soggy cereal source: trust me bro

[@2Curriuss]

To be fair, dog packs arguments were "trust me bro" as well

[@Amirasuperdope]

This is ACTUAL journalism. You’re fair. No sides chosen, you get to the point and you explain what is needed in the lore without the unnecessary

[@basil127]

The question is, why after months dogpack video come out, mr beast just release videos evidence to counter dogpack accusation now..

[@chidubemanukwu]

Employees of Mr beat have talked about this before and debunked it

[@Ravenous_s]

If the act is intentional and not related to war, keeping someone sleep-deprived could constitute torture, assault, or another crime causing mental and physical suffering under national criminal law. It could also be unlawful detention if the person is prevented from leaving the situation. Criminal liability depends on the circumstances and consequences of the act. *Thus, it is not a war crime.*

[@torillama4275]

“That’s not a war crime, he’s not in a war” this situation has proved that critical thinking is gone😂 thank you for the vid

[@ItsEasyCheese]

33:46 Why pay a big youtuber to do the video when you can use a smaller youtuber that would be happy with the publicity?