The MrBeast Situation Just Got Very Confusing...

[@Jmerithew87]

Both things can be true in this situation. Dogpack is very clearly a disgruntled employee who has brought forth arguments in bad faith, but other more thorough investigations have uncovered serious problems with MrBeast.

[@ErikPT]

Dogpack is indeed disgruntled, but Soggy is not genuine he is… being misleading for smearing “Dogpack”, subverting the video to spin the narrative. Hence, I fault Jimmy. Error or not

[@FFVogter.-em6zz]

Both is true, but it's the exact details on what really happened that is the real source of confusion, there is so many lies mixed in with the truth that it's nearly impossible to fully trust anyone in this mess, nor should anyone do that.

[@e-tean-son4146]

In this world of super powerful people, there are no heroes

[@user-jo1wi8fh5x]

⁠@@ErikPTif that’s true, it totally worked. Dogpack is a toxin for actual whistleblowers. I don’t trust a thing he had to say anymore. I didn’t watch the original video, and never will. I’m moving on with my life at this point. You people can suss out which one of these scumbags is slightly less of a scumbag. TLDR: Dogpack would be as bad as Mr. Beast if he had money.

[@mrpw1402]

Disgruntled rightfully so

[@namedisjay]

I think Phoenix Wright should take it from here

[@Beanzops]

I eat the cotton candy from my walls

[@krazykaid]

TAKE THAT!!!

[@Kamisei85]

Yep he's guilty.

[@RossDaunis]

​@@krazykaid😂❤

[@arifhossain9751]

I can't Edgeworth to this

[@Byngntbtbfbf12]

The blockchain says all I need about Mr Beast. He’s a fraud, a scammer just like logan

[@christopherb4]

Yessir and ksi.

[@Colddirector]

This should’ve been obvious ever since he said he participated in an NFT pump and dump with Gary Vee, that was like 3 years ago

[@arcanum3882]

dont diss my boy Logan like that

[@nailthehearts]

​@@arcanum3882 Logan is probably the worst out of all of them man what are you saying 😭

[@2S2F1]

@@arcanum3882he dont know you lil bro.

[@ellielovesnellie09]

I think dogpack is an angry ex employee, but he has brought to light A LOT of bullshit behind the scenes going on with MrBeast. Maybe not everything in his video was straightfowardly true but there is definitely heavy truths within dogpacks rant lmao. either way, MrBeast is a scammer.

[@sentinel-q6j]

he pretty much aside from Chris ended up revealing entire crypto scam

[@ellielovesnellie09]

@ Exactly lmao

[@Didza02]

What were the heavy truths? It's hard to discern between Dogpack's lies and the truths of the matter

[@ellielovesnellie09]

@ Im genuinely talking about the illegal lotteries. and more degenerate things about ava chris tyson, as if she wasnt already a degenerate. I am saying that there is good in bad. Dogpack probably wasn't the best person to come out about this but still revealed the illegal lottery shit that was going on.

[@hiropisku1078]

Why does this feel like people are going to ignore the elephant for the mouse. Yes, Dogpack can be a disgruntled employee. But that doesn't mean that Jimmy gets resolved of everything he did like a Saturday morning cartoon. People got hurt in the Beast games, he's involved with crypto and is friends with Logan Paul, the King of Scammers. He knew about Ava and edited his old videos to erase his involvement. Just because Dogpack might not be altruistic in his intent, doesn't mean that Jimmy is a saint. He literally avoided answering questions only to turn around and dig up dirt on Dogpack before passing it off to Soggy! But there's going to be people who defend him because he does charity and they want his meat flavored Feastables in their wallet.

[@bdhale34]

Has dogpack monetized his videos? Last I looked he wasn't making a dime off them and he damn sure could be.

[@Ballade90]

And Dogpack also had an insider friend who told him that the company was looking into discrediting him and lo and behold. Social Media Brainrot however tells people 'oh, so he was just madge? i guess that means none of what he said was true' despite the crimes the dude committed that were documented, and Dogpack was even getting other people telling him MORE info after he put up the first video with their own proof. From what I can tell, the scumbag defending MrBeast was apparently paid by him so I can toss out literally everything he said, the moment he has a monetary incentive to defend him, I can't trust a word that comes out of his mouth.

[@malcolm_in_the_middle]

Honestly, the fact that Dogpack is not doing this out of altruism makes me trust him more. I always prefer it when I can understand people's motivations.

[@Ohmyadeline]

Absolved

[@terskataneli6457]

I'm sure people got hurt doing his challenges or whatever but i'm certain each and everyone of them signed some non liability contract out of their free will and greed for money and fame. THEY SIGNED IT. It's nobody's but theirs fault. If you sign for dumb stuff then don't cry when shit hits the fan. I'm no mrbeast fan i think that Pedofilia thing is fking disgusting but complaining about injuries is just dumb when he's not even legally responsible

[@arifhossain9751]

After the whole Completionist fiasco, I will never give another "charitable" KZbinr the benefit of the doubt ever again.

[@BradArmstron9]

Im wary of anyone virtue signalling these days.

[@dragonhitman1071]

I mean at least the charity actually did good. Those weren't fake in any way as far as I know.

[@arifhossain9751]

@@dragonhitman1071 The Open Hand Foundation was PRESSURED into DOING WHAT THEY PROMISED after people found out they were SITTING ON THEIR MONEY for a _DECADE_

[@archmagemc3561]

You know whats so super dumb about the completionist fiasco? If he knew how taxes and charities worked, he could've donated all that money, and wrote it off his taxes and get a rebate for nearly the same amount he paid the next year. Corporations do it all the time. (This is why you request a form saying YOU donated, not them, so you can take it off YOUR taxes instead.) so it wasn't even needed.

[@JTruong3rd]

I just basically adopt a wait and see attitude for all of these.

[@Vibycko]

Coffezilla made a very interesting mew investigation into mr. Beast, showing he basically hyped up crypto project he was invited into and then sold all extremely early, raking in milions. That to me is very sus, and pretty telling about his character

[@jameschou888]

Yes but people are still saying Mr beast is off the hook because Dogpack is a disgruntled employee. Social media logic

[@wikansaktianto9215]

​@@jameschou888Goldfish memory ahhh folks, when Mr. Beast did delete his giveaway stream and Shadman poster minutes in his channel.

[@VGbeck22]

Isn’t this how ALL crypto traders make money? Buy low sell high? The price will ALWAYS be artificially pumped because there is not a real product.

[@fernandoemh]

Haha MEW i literally imagined coffeezilla mogging and looks maxxing.

[@Vibycko]

@@VGbeck22 Thing is, this isn't that he bought low, sold high. He owned the coins/tokens before they were tradable. Pre-launch. Then shortly after launch, where normal users can finally buy theirs (which causes price per unit go up) he sold. He basically pre-bought the coin, for the starting price, because of his big name and brand. And since at launch, almost everyone is just buying, price goes up, way beyond starting price. And him selling all his coins basically shows he's not really interested in the token, but wants to make money. If you watch the video, the owners of those tokens expressed disappointment and sadness that Jimmy sold almost immediately. Saying that it damaged the trust in the token. So yea, in my eyes, Jimmy got drunk on power and lost his moral compass. He even sold token meant to raise funds FOR HIS OWN CHARITY TEAM SEAS, one month into the two month event. And that's just messed up.

[@Justacatlmao]

so he ignored the drama until he had someone defend him on his behalf and then sent that video out to a bunch of drama channels to spread the word that someone was defending him sounds legit.

[@mevoogle]

dogpack literally did the exact same thing to spread his video tho

[@disturbed1734]

Sounds like his lawyers did their job.

[@alexiron6876]

@@mevoogle the videos won't about crimes he committed.

[@froglifes6829]

This is not true. You should write a novel with your imagination.

[@certified1075]

except if you look into it there is actually a ton of holes in dogpacks allegations

[@Sorrelhas]

The MrBeast Situation shows how incapable of nuanced discussion the internet really is

[@Mr.Bimgus]

It honestly is painful at times how single minded some people are. There are no shades of gray, everything is either good or bad, and there can never, _ever,_ be any in between. But I guess it's easier to blindly accept whatever you hear then actually think about it and, heaven forbid, come up with your own opinion.

[@TheLastApostle]

Nah theres nothing that has nuance in this conversation. Did mr beast do illegal lotteries and giveaways? Absolutely. Its on video. Did mr beast participate in several rug pulls? Yes the blockchain proves that. Did mr beast hire pdf files to work on his childrens youtube channel? Yes he absolutely did. You can queation whether he knew or not but it doesnt matter if he did. Ignorance is not a get out of jail free card. Personally tho i believe theres literally zero chance mr beast doesnt do background checks on all employees. So idk what you mean about nuance. Mr beast is a criminal.

[@railroadforest30]

Fr

[@AL-lh2ht]

MrBeast team is deliberately muddling the facts to cofnuse people.

[@razeezar]

The 'Mr Beast Situation' situation is crazy

[@markfuston2714]

Eh, I think Dogpack and Jake Weddle are flawed witnesses, but that doesn't mean that what they're saying is untrue..the fact that hundreds of horrible things were uncovered when someone drew negative attention towards Mr Beast tells me all I need to know about the way his companies are ran.

[@NorwoodYT]

they've said multiple untrue things did you even watch the video

[@SimplCup]

Soggy literally debunked pretty much everything. I still have no idea how people believed someone with such massive allegation who only worked there 2-3 weeks lmao.

[@erikshields3724]

Dogpack and Jake Weddle need to log off and stop their misinformation campaign.

[@Motherfunkateer]

​@@erikshields3724Soggy is not better than Dogpack

[@rexrex429]

I wouldn't call him flawed he did a lot of things that at best is gross negligence and at worst downright malicious. This isn't meant to say Mrbeast is innocent, just that dogpack is pretty scummy.

[@SmortSquirtle]

TLDR: MrBeast is a horrible person, Dogpack shouldn’t have been the guy to bring it forward

[@TheEddagosp]

tl;dw:

[@jasoncisney6366]

​@@TheEddagosp Lol nice one

[@FreedomHero4]

DogPack really wanted that Apple Vision Pro

[@LlamaLogic]

Actual TLDR: Mr.Beast is actually slightly less terrible then we thought, Dogpack is a horrible person

[@lordcirrhosisofliver]

@@LlamaLogic MB is worse then dogpack, MB is a con artist who profits off of children, dogpack lied about a con artist that profits off children.

[@Jdeadevil]

And Mutahar is simping for Jimmy, again. Thought he was on the right track for a moment, but no.

[@spaceracer6861]

??? did you even watch the video?

[@Jdeadevil]

@@spaceracer6861 Why do people think this is a valid retort to anything? Of course I watched the bloody video.

[@spaceracer6861]

@@Jdeadevil Then how do you consider calling someone a shady scammer and an idiot ''simping''?

[@Jdeadevil]

@@spaceracer6861 Did he call Mr. Beast an idiot in this video? If he did then I didn't notice, he called Jake an idiot though.

[@HeatherHunterJ]

Mr Beast is guilty of what’s under the rug, that’s why he’s quiet about what’s in the open

[@arefx]

probably true lol wonder what could come out

[@jazzy4039]

I thought he was quiet cause he was legally obligated to be while he got investigated by that law firm

[@dddddddddddddddadddddddddddddd]

Fake deep

[@alexiron6876]

@@jazzy4039 That he paid for.

[@CPorter]

I think this for the most part, but then I keep thinking about Tobuscus, and how during all the lies about him being a rapist came out, he went completely silent because his lawyers told him to, and he ended up being 100% innocent.

[@mrbugs1718]

I don’t care, isn’t being friends and partner w Logan Paul enough for people ? That speaks VOLUMES of MrBeast, there’s a saying in Spanish, “show me your friends and I’ll who you are”

[@Voskos]

We have that in Greece, like show me your friends and I can tell you who you are. Cause you tend to assosiate with people with similar values.

[@tickledtoffee]

Gotta agree with you. Even if none of the other things came out or are true, he still went into business with someone who's a blatant scammer. That alone is enough to make me distrust him. He's covered in that LP stank now

[@raylying]

"People should be neutral" Proceeds to be not neutral

[@TalkativeHands]

Lol ain't that the truth.

[@dani5165]

I think Jake’s comment about delaware can still be seen as something because what kind of environment was within the workplace for that to be spread and to obviously be believable? Especially when it seems a lot of the people were hired later on and may not know why / how he was hired

[@toufusoup]

At the end of the day unless it’s revealed Jimmy runs a trafficking ring or some shiz, he knows that he can swap between the “MrBeast” label as a person versus a brand and get away with it, and also knows his sizable following will do the arguing for him. Sad state of affairs

[@kylegrant7232]

its not so much that his audience will argue for him, its that a large majority of his audience is too young to know/care about everything going on so they'll continue watching

[@IndianGeek5589]

Also honestly stuff like this has a half life, and after a given period of time, people will just forget and things will carry on

[@jimhalpert0]

That's a stretch. Trafficking ring??

[@Duskbound]

@@jimhalpert0 The commenter's not trying to say that Jimmy is running a trafficking ring. It's a hypothetical worst-case scenario as in, one of the few things that could _actually_ take him off the platform for good.

[@MP-im9vt]

​@jimhalpert0 almost like it was a hypothetical statement!

[@nathanielbradley9819]

14:00 Muta, Jake went over Mr.Beast not letting him sleep for 2 days straight, that is quite actually a form of torture

[@bdhale34]

Literally in the geneva convention as things you cannot do to people.

[@blazingtrump4209]

Yes what MrBeast did was bad, but he consented to it and got paid 100k dollars and it was without a doubt not a war crime like he claimed that other people said.

[@Eczilon]

@@blazingtrump4209 There was a case where a radio station caused a death because of a giveaway. Just because the players consented to play the game did not absolve the station in that case, they were still found liable for holding the contest in the first place. What makes you think Beast isn't going to be liable for this one?

[@xeldinn86]

Because jakey boy could have left at any moment

[@yesbabelon]

@Eczilon That's because they failed to explain the risks of over consumption of water, the effects of which are universal (death) Leaving the light on whilst someone trys to sleep is in no way comparable, as the negative effects are negligible and vary person to person and Jake had multiple options, one of which was to simply leave.

[@narutofan4545]

Why are we pretending like Mr beast is a good guy tho

[@Coopercb16]

Neither is dogpack

[@redjack7296]

You know 2 things can be true right?

[@Neuvalence]

i remember when people heralded this man like a prophet in 2021/22 💀

[@Sonicscaler3245]

Nobody is??

[@narutofan4545]

@Sonicscaler3245 nobody who watches sonic

[@z2514]

28:16 this statement may age like milk because in chud logic's stream and harmful opinions video, soggy never disclosed that - he was contacted by dustin - he had his flight payed by dustin - mrbeast knew the employee's were being interviewed by soggy At this point soggy now gave people the reason to call him a glazer.

[@AL-lh2ht]

literally getting paid by mrbeast.

[@LlamaLogic]

This is an extremely stupid take. You can give people a recording of Dogpack calling himself a liar and people will STILL make "arguments" like this just to feel correct. How about this for a change, actually watch Soggys video, and if you have then watch it again and just sit and for once in your life actually think, think about this comment you've made, and if it really has an thought behind it that isn't capped at a 2nd graders thinking level

[@RoysGuide]

Considering Soggy had so much access to Mr Beast, why didn't Soggy show the video of Jake asking for the lights to be turned off?

[@dip7578]

doesn't disprove the facts...

[@curlybill3666]

​@@LlamaLogic B-But I can't be wrong! I have to always be right, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS

[@eragus6648]

there are some things about Soggy's video that i really didn't like, mainly the interviews with the employees, that PAID HIS TRIP TO BE THERE, with the mrbeast dm thing on top, really maid this video lose a lot of credibility. And with conflicting informations that come from other sources. The delaware stuff is really bad, because Jake the viking said that Jimmy and his mom knew, and the employees said they didn't. And the locoya hill stuff in video was actully proven to be truth, and another source, an editor for rbeast in another channel said the same thing. Basicaly both stances of sexual assalt were in fact real, which is pretty pretty bad

[@Jetstream09]

Ok so the Delaware thing that Jake the Viking said was. I know this sounds weak but look at Tommy C's SFTP reaction on soggy vid which I will link, give you timestamp and judge for it yourself

[@DanielTurner69-v7q]

Man why does this controversy have to be so confusing like why can’t Mrbeast just respond like and own up the bad things he did try to prove your innocence instead of other ppl doing it for him

[@yogiritaco]

Its funny how you will sit here and take all the evidence he provided as losing credibility, but think dogpack deserves any credibility for providing barely any proof and getting factually disproven. Please stop blasting your bias on full display

[@funnygrunt_o7]

@@DanielTurner69-v7q They would prefer it to be confusing

[@funnygrunt_o7]

His videos are starting to make me cringe a lot.

[@MustachioFurioso9134]

I think calling Jake an idiot is a low blow. Jake has entire videos about the stress he's gone through when he worked for Mr Beast. I think his comment about Delaware was a one off, because it clearly seemed he wasn't invested in the Delaware situation and moreso the fact that he himself was put under insane stress making videos for Mr Beast and not being paid for said videos.

[@kpando4952]

regardless, his ations were idiotic.

[@doopydarp1027]

Fr he states himself that the Delaware thing is hearsay, then he corrects it in a later video

[@eelmimbo]

I feel the same, Muta calling him an idiot just felt like a very rude thing to say even with the misinformation about the Delaware situation. It ignores the biggest talking point Jake had where he was essentially tortured in a white room for however many days he was in there.

[@SlavoidUkr]

Why did he start yapping about it in the video then?

[@leviticusprime4904]

@@eelmimboat first I felt sorry for Jake, then he said he wasted 100k on fucking stand up and my sympathy went out the window.

[@donnab0518]

Sorry Muta but I think you missed the mark on this one. A few things: - So what if Beast didn't trivialize and mock the SA allegations of Delaware? The point remains that both him and his mom over the ENTIRE TENURE of Delaware's employment with them didn't do enough to vet and protect their (child) fans and employees. Choosing to be a businessman at 18 doesn't absolve you of your duty of organizational integrity and accountability. - I don't think it's fair to dunk on Weddle like that. He made it clear that what he was just repeating the gossip that he heard while in the office (something that happens in literally every office/workplace). Also, the point remains that he underwent some pretty horrific experiences because of a toxic workplace culture that was fostered by Mr. Beast. Something that was confirmed by the lawsuits surrounding his new show on Amazon Prime. - Also saying that he should have had consent to release a recording is wild. Imagine if Diddy said that the recordings of his freak off's shouldn't be admissible because it's out of context and he didn't give consent to recording the crime and sharing the video with the law lol. - Lastly, it should really say something to everyone that Beast hasn't actually spoken much to this. He released a report that seemingly absolved him from all responsibility and didn't actually respond to the sexual harassment claims in DogPacks video. Between his crypto scams, his burgers, and now the reviews he's getting from former (and yes, of course - disgruntled) employees shows that he's a person that has set up a system to do his money-making bidding without getting his hands dirty. He's basically the KZbin version of a mob boss looking at RICO charges.

[@DEtoxica3607]

This! Thank you!

[@slash4660]

To your 3rd point. The person dog pack secretly recorded was an innocent person in all this. It's morally grey at the best.

[@fomori2]

He didnt miss the mark, he is doing this on purpose. As to why, there are couple of easy possibilities: - He is using the controversy drama to generate clicks and views, which is typical KZbin scumbaggery. - He is trying to virtue signal to MrBeast that he is "on his side" in case the sentiment turns back to "MrBeast good!". - He is shilling for MrBeast because he was asked/getting compensated/for favors.

[@slash4660]

@fomori2 if your talking about soggy that's not true at all. If you actually watch soggy's video he says Mr beast has still done bad things and shouldn't be forgiven straight away. That he should still apologise for the bad things he did. And still critises mr beast heavily. He also tells everyone to watch coffeezilla's video on Mr beast.

[@IAMTHESWORDtheLAMBHASDIED]

@@slash4660 thats how anyone and everyone does this properly, you can't be "super clean, he's so clean, so so, oh so clean!" you have to be "he has some bad things, vague vague being vague about those things, but HE DIDN'T DO THESE SPECIFIC things." etc. lol sorry I'm blazzzzzzoroid so I may sound goofy, all love m808s! they have enough money to be told by the right people to behave the right way and how to find the best "friends" or even "enemies" to come out and state the right things to get the right vibes across to ruin or dispute anything these days, especially with new non-human consultants which can offer an infinite amount of simulated potentiality thereby making ones moves very precise with a high percentage of success calculated with whatever risk... It's good to be skeptical of all things now while becoming a avid reader of everything. Learn how things are done and how they are used, like, more than you'll want to. So you can make proper observations and make righteous decisions. faaam.

[@jinxthatsme2317]

Those insults toward Jake Weddle felt completely out of left field. Not sure what Muta’s beef with this guy is.

[@FreedomHero4]

For me it’s seeing what Jake considers comedy

[@justmindset]

In a situation like this, it's super important that the details you're reporting be accurate, or it could hurt the case against Mr Breast. Jake relayed unsubstantiated rumors at best, or at worst, straight up lied. Minor insults are probably just a little bit warranted, lol

[@dittm3r]

Hah, left field. The left field is full of negativity.

[@delusion449]

Yeah I agree that jake said some stupid things during that interview but he also isn’t the one who edited and posted the video… when you’re in an emotional state like jake was at time it’s easy to say words without really thinking them through

[@Gandhi_Physique]

@@dittm3r What do you mean by "left field?" Definitely not what the main comment was.

[@Teo_Takeover]

The whole Delaware revelation doesn't actually change much of anything.

[@jhansen5128]

Where there's smoke, there's fire. Don't call of the Fire Department just yet.

[@melchizedek-v4n]

soggy isn't entirely honest either, not to mention he was flown out and had his room paid for by an employee at mrbeast for the interviews.

[@austinboston5643]

Good lord that is some cope

[@npcimknot958]

He is.. he litearlly disclosed that to chug lool 😂 . The video was made to prove dogpack isn’t honest in his intentions.. it’s not about mr beast being innocent.. its all sides aren’t completely guilt free. This I was to expose dogpack is not a reliable narrator

[@potatortheomnipotentspud]

What's this????? KZbin commentary sweatshops being scummy??????? Who could've possibly known!?!?!?!?!?!?

[@d0ct0rz3d4]

"Finally! A video that doesn't spread baseless slander against me lol" -mrbeast's comment on soggy's video.

[@jameschou888]

And given access to Beast HR files like Dogpacks dismissal recording. KZbinrs that have never worked at a company don't realize how bad it is to record a dismissal

[@sg9222]

Soggy is also guilty of false allegations. He cut out a section of the video where he accused camnuggets was watching cp because he reported some kid for flashing on a server

[@chikaokoye8405]

He deleted it IMMEDIATELY dogpack didn’t

[@sg9222]

@@chikaokoye8405 It was up for a few days before he removed it, most of the views on any yt video are in the first few days so the damage was already done. He only deleted it because he got called out for it and as far as im aware hasnt acknowledged it or issued an apology. If youre gonna make a video calling someone out for false alegations probably helps if you dont make your own false alegations in the process

[@reiraku4544]

CSAM Nuggets

[@TR-ul4rm]

@@sg9222 absolutely false, it was remove within hours of the video dropping, Lehrix had a talk with him about that specific part of the video (you can watch on luhrix channel that call) and what Soggy was trying to point out is the hypocrisy of Rosana and DogPack calling everyone a pedo on a group chat (the one where they discuss the Ivanka Trump stuff) while someone like cam was getting into some sus shit as well (ofc he was making that claim in irony bc cam didnt have any sus shit) buuut he failed trying to convey his point so he had to cut that part because tbh it looked really bad on him. But the point is that Soggy did the right thing immediatly within hours, Dogpack on the other hand took 2 months to take his video off.

[@erikshields3724]

Stop coping and accept the fact dog pack is a malicious liar.

[@spaxx3849]

Just in term of comprehension the Delaware part... Both can be true, right Jake's story didn't say they came up with it, just that they called him that and they knew about the origin of the nickname, AND AT THE SAME TIME... The nickname could have been older, and simply never gave thr a real story. But without any leaps both stories can be true.

[@sanchorim8014]

Exactly.

[@PondScummer]

What beef do you have with Jake to be calling him things like "delusional" & "idiot"? Weirdly personal and out of left field.

[@botarakutabi1199]

Big agree

[@m3371]

the whole thing with trying to invalidate jake's testimonies due to personal bias felt insanely off. dogpack might be a disgruntled employee, but jake is literally a victim of jimmy's abuse, and yet he got the same off-handed insults.

[@eelmimbo]

Calling Jake an idiot was unfair and rude. It's important to also consider all the other things he talked about. It was a long interview and Delaware was just one part of it. He was clearly mistreated there and even tortured for a while and doesn't deserve to be insulted like that.

[@kcscustom9759]

Exactly

[@botarakutabi1199]

Agreed

[@ellehcimbelle]

yeah Muta came across as the idiot here

[@littfuego]

the downfall of muta.

[@anyona19]

You’re treating Jake like a child, he’s an adult. Also he was an idiot. Muta never denied what happened to Jake and it is fucked up. But to claim Mr beast and his crew are terrorist and commited war crimes against Jake is absurd.

[@vishishify]

Calling Weddell an idiot is wild dude. The guy still went through a ton of shit because of Mr. Beast. This is rarher disappointing Muta.

[@rakhmathadita3917]

kavarnacle has called muta as mrbeast apologist, not really surpirising

[@tharunsankar4926]

It doesn’t matter if dogpack is a “disgruntled” employee, we should all agree that jimmy donaldson is a scammer!

[@zacharymichael9718]

I'm gonna be real, hearing Delaware so many times makes me believe Delaware isn't a state, but a new word.

[@Nuggyv420z]

are you going to delaware all day?

[@Moxiumous]

It’s not that deep bro

[@XiaolinDraconis]

@@Moxiumous don't be such a delaware

[@davidjamesmagtibay6065]

​@@Moxiumous you should be a bit more delaware

[@NominDonutz]

@@Moxiumous It's not that delaware bro

[@mariogaming8189]

Do not appreciate the comments toward Jake Weddle in this video. The guy went through some tough shit and now he's being insulted like this because of one comment that might've been twisted through context. Like jeez man.

[@theawesomeali8834]

@@mariogaming8189 this fr bro, Jake Weddle deserves better.

[@xeldinn86]

That was all up to Jake. He could have left at anytime but was motivated by the money

[@L16htW4rr10r]

​@@xeldinn86If you were poor, you would also do anything for money. But despite that, it doesn't mean the people with the money can abuse the poor just because they have the power to either give the money or not. That's just unnecessarily cruel

[@kiuuuhk2364]

​@@L16htW4rr10r Yeah wasn't Jake financially compromised back then so he decided to take Mr Beasts offer? And I can look at the other stuff said about Rosanna/Dogpack objectively since it's all pretty one sided, but regardless of how Jake spent the money afterwards, the torment and experiences he experienced in the torture challenge is real, Muta calling him a flat out idiot is just mean.

[@Whatismusic123]

@@kiuuuhk2364 jake wasted the money afterwards. Completely dumped it. He is bad with money, and maybe mrbeast's company should have been wary of that, but this was the first time it happened to them, and sometimes safety protocols are written in blood.

[@OkerlundTV]

I don't understand why Jake is considered an idiot for being very specific in saying that he was told that about Delaware and he was told that about the Geneva Convention. He was mentioning that he was told it at the time. Why is that bad? I really am curious. I don't care if MrBeast ends up being innocent or guilty, I just don't understand what was wrong with informing people what he was told at the time.

[@anyona19]

Because the “war crimes” comment was an off handed joke. And Jake ran with it. And started painting the mr beast crew as a bunch of terrorist essentially

[@yesbabelon]

@@OkerlundTV Because jake likes to embellish and ham it up, at one point he said that 'someone' said to him that there was a great horror cut in the footage they got of him, but later on when it is showing his text messages it shows him saying to someone else 'part of me thinks there is a great horror cut in there' This calls in to question other things that 'someone' said to him (such as the Geneva convention remark) , and whether that's actually what happened, or whether he actually thought of it himself but claimed someone else said it to him, as it seems more impactful if it was an unbiased observation from a 3rd party.

[@OkerlundTV]

@@anyona19 So basically a comedian being a comedian. Gotcha.

[@TheVenhammer]

@@OkerlundTV Calling Jake a comedian is an insult to actual comedians.

[@Grassdia]

@@TheVenhammerArthur Fleck has entered the chat

[@AHersheyHere]

What is the point of releasing the audio of him being fired? "Oh he's just disgruntled. Look at how he was begging for his job." That is especially crappy, his life is being ruined by this business decision, of course he is going to be begging for another chance. Don't answer any allegations, just promote Lunchly and release confidential business recordings to discredit someone.

[@slash4660]

It was to show that dogpack was a disgruntled employee. Yeah its scrappy but dog pack accusing Mr beast of allowing cp in a work chat is way way way more crappy

[@fernandoemh]

They've taken the gloves off long ago. The starting accusations from dogpack were EXTREMELY horrible and with little to no proof, in an extremely childish, immature and petty way to begin with. It was very very suspicious. At that point, the other side can do whatever with your image. Everything is allowed now. Noone will cry for the dog pack.

[@SlavoidUkr]

It’s relevant because it shows that this stray dog was an employee with grudges. He has reason to come up with additional shit that isn’t real

[@Nitehawke]

And releasing that recording may actually be illegal as it could impact Dogpack's ability to get another job. There's a reason why most emoloyers will answer the question "would you rehire this person" with a simple "no" but refuse to give a reason why.

[@TheLastApostle]

​@@slash4660i mean.... its not that far from being incorrect tho. Drawings count as prorn. They had loli porn hanging on their god damn walls lol. Thats way worse than an accusation of it being in chat. Which it was there too btw. And chris posted a picture of ehat he thought was a 13 year old girl naked. Just because it turned out she was 18 doesnt mean anything ehen it comes to intent. Chris knowingly posted a picture that could be CP just blatantly and openly. Gross.

[@cosmicskydragon333]

It is very worth noting, Soggy Cereal's video is not worth trusting at all. Supposedly he was paid to be able to travel to get to speak with employees, he was paid or more precise sponsored to make that video. The employees speaking also invalidates the silence, something they didn't do for others more critical which shows a massive bias. Some of the testimony contradicts other established factual testimony, indicating an lie with the above. All while some of the other math related stuff he covered were wrong. Remember too despite his "debunk" there is still factual violations of law, this is done to try and discredit Dogpack completely so people ignore the other claims. This is so corrupt you literally can not trust any information Soggy provided. This is the equivalent of when the police broke the law to try and catch OJ, but in turn destroyed any chance they had.

[@amiboacid7183]

Watch out they don’t like critical thinking here

[@theawesomeali8834]

Soggy’s video is just a load of baloney, it’s someone trying to discredit dogpack and try to sweep up more shit. Also MrBeast is super shady, associates with the scumbag named Logan Paul, tortured Jake Weddle, held illegal lotteries and fake giveaways, promoted unhealthy chocolate, has a toxic and sexist work environment, and terrible working conditions at his beast games Amazon show.

[@Gettinoverbarrie]

Hear me out How about we actually do our own research instead of believing everyone and jumping to conclusions? Crazy right?

[@universalstar-eye6106]

@@Gettinoverbarrie mmm, and maybe start an another "anonymous" type of deal in some sort of forum.

[@ninjdraw8305]

Im sorry, genuine questions cuz im prob forgetting. What testimonys contradict other *established FACTUAL* testimonys? And what factual violations of the law? I know the first lottery was illegal but the other 2 were made a little clearer that you can enter for free. Is that still illegal or somethin? The employees thing is sus af tho i agree with that. But from the looks of it, he is right in that Dogpack aint the guy to be running the investigation and shouldnt be trusted. Most of his testimonys (from what ive seen again could be misremembering) were anonymous sources. And whenever he did pull from a source, it was out of context or misrepresented like that black dude who won the money and said Jimmy would help him out but "didnt", the phone giveaway being a scam, contestants mostly being family members and friends or locals (most of the evidence came from covid), the dog food thing being a misunderstanding, the lottery scams was kinda misrepresented in how much the "free of charge" option was promoted, things like that. Im trying to think what did Dogpack bring to the table in terms of allegations that were major, like genuinely. Kris Tyson wasnt him, and Jimmy knowing about Kris was already known cuz of discord logs and the poster, Jake Weddle actually nvm yea he got jake weddle. Other than that though i cant think of anything major. Maybe its been a while idk The video set out to prove Dogpack was okay with twisting evidence in his favor and for that reason shouldnt be trusted, and with the CP thing and the anonymous tips thing and the entirety of the 3rd video thing, he doesnt sound like a good source. Idk tho 😌

[@TheLostOne156]

Well just because you're getting paid doesn't mean you aren't being tortured.

[@NominDonutz]

Johnny somali energy. Just don't do it if they don't like being tortured

[@Whatismusic123]

But he wasn't being t0 rtured, he was just a mentally unwell person and the beast team didn't take that into account, nor could they. They've clearly learned from their mistakes too. Some safety protocols are written in blood.

[@shikikywketsuki9892]

​@@Whatismusic123 sleep deprivation is a form of torture.....

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

​@@Whatismusic123 The entire point was making the time spent in there unbearable so the participant would quit. There's a difference between being sleep deprived for legitimate reasons (such as medical studies) and for others to be entertained out of one's suffering. If the point is to make someone suffer then it's torture. And making him suffer was the objective.

[@TheGhostOfFredZeppelin]

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD You're arguing against yourself from the get go, you're right in saying that the whole point was making his time in there unbearable. He knew that, but he still CHOSE to do it. You can't blame someone else for your own choices in hindsight just because you couldn't or wouldn't think far enough ahead yourself.

[@dogbackwards7658]

I'm being conspiratorial but the recording of dogpack with the COO is a super convenient plot twist to exist. They just happen to have a recording of something that hurts dogpack's character like that? First off, how? Is it protocol to record every employee getting fired? I also do think the recording does sound convincing but also it's simple and short enough to sound ai made. And the fact there's no video to go with makes it easier to fake. I'm 50/50 on its legitimacy. Can never be too sure nowadays with how good ai is.

[@underoathfannatic]

I believe when you’re fired they record the whole meeting to avoid wrongful termination suits. So he prob was given the tape by management whom he was getting information from. That’s my guess, it’d be pretty wild to fake something like that when they don’t have much leverage as is lol but who knows

[@LlamaLogic]

1) It's not uncommon to record a firing, especially if they felt unsafe with Dogpack when firing him 2) The firing recording isn't even close in size to all the other things that hurt Dogpacks character 3) The recording isn't that short and you can hear the full version in Soggys video with other employees in the recording 4) While AI's good, it's not THAT good, so as funny as it sounds to say this is a huge conspiracy that Mr.Beast used all his riches to fabricate the most high-tech AI recording that featured other employees then paying those employees to lie and then try to gas light Dogpack and the internet into thinking this is how it really went just to make one footnote in an hour and a half video, I think it just makes more sense that this is just the real recording of when Dogpack was fired

[@The_Taco_Thief]

​@@underoathfannatic in North Carolina you can get fired for anything

[@TheGhostOfFredZeppelin]

It's all a big ARG

[@Kaviranghari]

if it was, dawson would have jumped on it like a mofo

[@Imseeking]

Really? Jake Weddle? The guy who was tortured? Why do you have to be so disappointing sometimes. Damned lowballer

[@moonlightuwu3252]

At this point, I enjoyed Mr beast drama than the contents.

[@spookiis]

Calling Weddle an idiot when he never claimed it as true is wild. He said that's what he was told by other Beast employees. Shit take on that comment.

[@TheLastApostle]

Yeah thats some bs. Hes already made up his mind about weddle and has dismissed him ehen he brings up many valid points. Crazy. Muta sometimes has absolute dog water takes

[@Nitehawke]

This whole video is a shit take but very representative of what MB was hoping for when he sent out this video to every creator who's sympathetic to him.

[@chikaokoye8405]

@nighthawks cope LMAO Even august the duck says that most of what soggy said is true

[@theawesomeali8834]

fr, Jake Weddle isn’t an idiot either. I also want to mention GamerFromMars was mocking Jake’s rant on instagram when he was facing harassment and threats over the interview with DogPack. It’s absolutely just messed up and not funny. Jake Weddle was literally neglected and treated horribly in solitary confinement, forced to suffer with a marathon along with the fact that they didn’t give him ANY sleep, the crew wouldn’t turn off the lights. MrBeast knew everything but didn’t do anything about it, especially with how he tried to tell Jake to say a line for the camera for his dumb video.

[@samstits8982]

Weddle is a narcissist

[@-carpet-]

What’s crazy about Delaware is that he chose the name printed on his best buy shirt. He’s wearing that nickname like its a badge of honor 😭

[@DanielTurner69-v7q]

Like bro is proud to be a RSO

[@sanchorim8014]

We don't know the real origins of that nickname, only what people at MrBeast believed it to be. Why he went with it at Best Buy, we don't know.

[@DanielTurner69-v7q]

@@sanchorim8014 I’ll be honest I don’t think there ever was Delaware printed on his shirt I kinda think Mrbeast edited that on so they could say that Delaware isn’t a messed up name I don’t have proof nor am I 100% certain but a guy of mine is telling me that

[@azeemrana9725]

I really like your takes Mudahar but this one is lowkey an L. But I still watched the whole video, L take.

[@smashbrother2244]

The fact the employees reached out to Soggy feels so heavily set up by Jimmy. Why else would this video be immediately on his radar and it becomes a “scapegoat” for him. Sending this to people and not speaking publicly is disgusting and makes him even guiltier looking.

[@TercesGarret]

Yeah, exactly, it's like why even call dogpack if they're not on the record? Gossip? Course not. This is all run by Jimmy instead of answering to his allegations

[@BinSimmons]

Soggy is being fed what to say and "leaked" content from Mr Beasts camp.

[@FFVogter.-em6zz]

Mr. Beast is guilty of something, but of exactly what is hard to know. When you got jilted ex employee's embellishing his story like Dogpack, defenders who end up on his payroll like Soggy Cereal and the man himself being quiet and yet still making poorly veiled attempts of damage control, something is gonna give sooner or later. Ultimately I think the biggest blow to Mr.Beast has already been struck and that is the loss of his image as a magnanimous philanthropist.

[@fernandoemh]

About jimmy, we have some clue, at least we have the coffeezilla video. We know for sure DogPack is guilty of being serial liar tho. If he lied about 90%+ of the shit he exposed, what else might he be lying about? and also, what could also be his acutal intentions? is he hiding something really bad? It would so funny if this went to court, so much content.

[@blacknight0003]

You don't know what he's guilty of? There's at least 30 videos talking about this😂

[@SirNooboftheNoobEmpire]

@@blacknight0003I don’t think anyone knows

[@PalitoSelvatico]

It's depressing that the biggest blow was irrelevant to him, it changed nothing, those who believed he is the new jesus still believe it and excused his behavior

[@kpando4952]

that literally maks no sense, you are drawing points on a white board, anything can look suspicious if you are already paranoid. The idea of "he's guilty of something, but of exactly what is hard to know" is like saying "i bet this dude is a monster, and i just gotta figure out why do i think that" lol

[@thexp905]

The argument about "Why did Bet Buy hire Delaware?" is really dumb to me. A registered sex offender, is not a threat working at your local conglomerate store. If they were doing home delivery, or a mailman type of job, or a job involving entertaining children audiences, there would be a discussion to be had. Here, he's a manager. Not to mention that jobs as supermarkets are usually given to convicted felons through the prison system. Whereas Mr. Beast was a child focused entertainment company. It feels like such a dumb argument that I've seen brought up too often.

[@sanchorim8014]

I was looking for a comment like this. Well said. Having "Delaware" work around children at MrBeast is sketchy, but it sounded like Muta doesn't believe RSOs should ever work at anywhere. Which sounds good to many people, but falls apart under scrutiny.

[@demifolk8940]

I am having difficulty finding dates but it depends when delaware was hired. He was not a “child focused entertainment company”. He was a random ass youtuber that made Yotube safe content. Child content on KZbin is completely different than what mr beast does. Theres a huge difference between child friendly, and made for kids. He was around 10-15mill about 4 years ago i believe. He would just be a regular KZbinr at that time. Which was the point soggy was trying to make. I wouldn’t defend it either, he obviously messed up. But theres a clear difference in experience from then to now. You cant say that mr beast “intentionally” hired a RSO if he never bothered to check, thats just negligence. And its somewhat understandable when delaware was related to any already established person of the team, adding more credence to him being hired. An inexperienced person can easily not run a background check. My family owns a business, you would be surprised how often people forget to run background checks. It is different for stores and fast food restaurants, hiring criminals there on accident os completely different from a social media account (online content). Its more important that you hire non-criminals so the best buy comparison was bad yea. Of course, this would depend how far along the “company” was at the time.

[@Bidmartinlo]

Having a sex offender as a manager is nearly the worst possible position to have a sex offender. It's up there next to having a sex offender as a CEO.

[@blvdes]

sex offender apologists are crazy to me

[@Fay7666]

​@@Bidmartinlo Is it? For the crime to be so minor (wasn't it like... 4th degree?), store manager seems like something that's unlikely to have stakes enough to warrant massive abuse considerations. If it were a higher degree then yeah more consideration could be probable.

[@franciscoortega1513]

Mutahar: People researching and covering this stuff should be neutral. Also Mutahar: *Calling Jake Weddle and DogPack a bunch of idiots and Rosanna just some baker, while also being as courteous as possible to Mr. Beast.* Yeah, good job there mate, really neutral.

[@TheVenhammer]

Labelling them idiots when they're being idiots is neutral.

[@BuiltBionixInd10]

I mean it's funny how muta is like losing his shit sometimes when it comes to situations like this

[@Dunno1999]

Francisco, Hope Dogpack and Mr. Weddle found you and give you some prizes for defending them

[@FaerieFlowerMaiden]

I mean people going through chats that had supposed CP and gonna blur the images to show off to the internet AND make a video of them scrolling through it is something an idiot would do.

[@YurinanAcquiline]

I do believe that Mutahar is not neutral. And this really does annoy me because it damages my inage of him. I don't know much about Rosanna but I really felt like he "speaks down" to her. The situation is bad overall but people act as if someone being fired means MrBeast is innocent. He is clearly not.

[@Definitelydusky]

No need to call Jake an idiot for one slight misunderstanding he had. He could’ve just been told that by another employee who didn’t know the full story either.

[@Prime501]

I mean, I am skeptical of a random guy who creates a channel to blast a previous employer. But I'm also skeptical of an employer who largely deals with children that also previously employed knows sex offenders. But this is the point the Bot Wars start so this is when I tune out.

[@FizzyGajing]

Chris? Are we absolutely sure that Mr.Beast knew that Ava Tyson was doing dodgy stuff b4 everything unravel?

[@Prime501]

At this point IDC. He employed one knowingly. He defended another knowingly. The rest of history.

[@ajthedemon40]

This isn't surprising a lot of times when there is allegations being made the best thing to do is make it as convoluted and confusing as possible therefor the accountability will be dispersed and nothing will get done. Age old tactic.

[@wikansaktianto9215]

Sweeping under the rug?

[@ForYouTheOneListening]

Omg Ereshkigal

[@kpando4952]

here's another perspective. Whenever allegations are thrown out, many of them tend to be exagerated details and lies or simply word of mouth, people are unreliable because we are bias by default, trust me i work in the insurance bsiness, people say the most insane shit to blame the other party instead of themselves. Say for example, hinting that mr.beast is a pedophile because one of his friends is into anime little girls, when this one friend of mr beast as far as i know has not been officially charged of being a pedophile to begin with (to my knowledge there is no evidence of this person having bad conversations with minors) This feels less like "make it as confusing as possible to avoid fault" and more like "let's throw as much shit to the wall and see what sticks" sweeping under the rug for sure, but by who?

[@leviticusprime4904]

@@kpando4952my question is this, if any of the allegations against Mr beast are true and if some of those allegations involved him doing things that are illegal, why not take those allegentios to a law firm or the cops in order to get a proper and official investigation? Why make a multi hour video on the internet instead of going to law enforcement and doing this legally?

[@ajthedemon40]

@@kpando4952 Oh yeah for sure, people seem to enjoy the "spectacle" and want to provide a "wow" factor when listing allegations. They don't seem to realize that this completely damages any credibility especially when dealing with serious allegations. It is good to look at it from both sides and hopefully more evidence will come up. I don't know much about the legal system but I feel like Mr. Beast could sue dogpack for defamation if these are just baseless accusations. But, some of these are most likely true so all Mr. Beast can do is say nothing while Dogpack hurts his own credibility spit balling wild accusations.

[@Paelmoon]

What state did the recording happen in? "In the majority of U.S. states, you'll only need consent from one of the persons participating in a call in order to record it. The party making the call can provide consent. However, approximately 13 states have chosen to require all parties' consent in order to record the call and transcribe the call." It's possible he didn't need their permission, depending on where it happened. Edit. Seems he's in North Carolina? That's a one party consent state - he doesn't need thier permission then.

[@anto567]

It's mostly a moral question, I believe. You shouldn't use people's attention and time to make claims that will most likely get them in trouble.

[@Mr.Bimgus]

Sure. The same way that, technically, it's legal for me to cheat on my spouse. There's no law against it, I can do it as much as I want. But that doesn't mean it's perfectly fine to do. This person was recorded without their knowledge, talking about things they wouldn't want shared publicly, and had their words spun in a way they don't agree with. Yeah, it's all totally legal. But it's extremely scummy and dishonest.

[@theunknown7441]

For a guy thats blasting the other party because of ethics, you yourself shouldn't parrot or behave like the other person because you're just acting in bad faith and trying to virtue signal.

[@LlamaLogic]

Clearly you didn't understand the video. Not a single time did Mutahar discuss the legality of this because that didn't matter. It was just matter of getting someone's consent being the morally right thing to do. Dogpack not getting the persons consent or even telling what the call was going to be used for was a huge telling on his character and ethics and was the objectively wrong thing to do

[@GoddaryuTUBE]

​@@Mr.Bimgus That is the most warped bullshit. It's kinda like when evidence is thrown out in court because the way they got it. I don't care how you got it, a criminal is a criminal. If you did something illegal to obtain that evidence, it shouldn't dismiss the evidence, it should simply mean the other party get charged for doing said illegal way of obtaining the evidence. Ignoring objective facts because the way those facts are obtained is fucking stupid and based in feelings and idiocy.

[@gabijoanna1110]

What soggy said about Jake and his trauma is so disgusting. He’s victim blaming jake to make it seem like his trauma was exaggerated, But none of us actually have any right to speak about someone’s trauma like that.

[@xeldinn86]

Trauma LOL

[@TheGhostOfFredZeppelin]

Self-inflicted trauma*

[@kingofcrap4414]

@xeldinn86 Do you have any idea how hard it is to leave your job and find somewhere else to work?

[@despairdreams372]

@@TheGhostOfFredZeppelingo ahead and say victims of domestic violence have self-inflicted trauma 🎉

[@noctisvt]

Real quick - What you're talking about at 15:08; That might not be doctored. The Chrome plugin "Enhancer for KZbin" can hide like numbers as part of its optional customizations. Gods only know why its not in Dark Mode, though...

[@theharoldsshow]

Beast’s entire strategy was to use Genetic Fallacy by discrediting every single person against him slowly but surely and then taking that to mean he’s innocent

[@wikansaktianto9215]

Sweeping under the rug?

[@fernandoemh]

Nah, that was part of the beast team messaging dogpack and being petty. Beast's actual strategy was the best strategy: not doing shit and shuting the fuck up, as if nothing has happened and carrying on uploading and creating content as usual.

[@kpando4952]

so like, this one youtuber leaking a gossip conversation and presenting it as a fact is a genetic fallacy? as muta explained, so far it's just hear say, im yet to see any legal insight in this and it's very likely because there's none to begin with. Sure mr beast may be an asshole, what are you gonna do about it?? lie and pretend he's using illuminati level tactics to avoid the blame? let's face it, it's just that people are bias.

[@TrainerGoldAlt]

​@@fernandoemhhonestly didnt think that ever works but holy it does, went from being raked over coals to having your defenders discredit your haters

[@sydneymccarty5501]

Saggys video literally disproves 90% of dogs accusations. How else did you expect mrbreast to defend himself without disproving the accusations?

[@Lympthmode]

I usually agree with you Muta, but i can't on just one thing: recording calls in a 1 party consent state. Ive had to do this a lot due to libel and for evidence just in case i needed to open a lawsuit myself. even If unethical, completely legal. I guess it depends on the context And circumstance

[@Mr.Bimgus]

It's not about the legality. It's about it being shady and scummy. He didn't want any of that conversation to leak, and wouldn't have had it if he knew it would. It's legal the same way that it's legal for me to cheat on my spouse. Sure, I'm not breaking any laws by doing it, but that doesn't mean it's right.

[@Freddisred]

You did the right thing of not broadcasting it to 10 million people

[@R1ck3stR1ck]

I think he was more on about the ethical side and ensuring evidence is 100% recorded in a way that can’t be spun to bad faith acquisition and usage, but I also agree legally it isn’t an issue.

[@0redfr0g0]

​@@Mr.BimgusAnd that point against Dogpack would have been decent if Soggy didn't literally do the exact same thing (if not worse) by releasing the audio of Dogpack getting fired.

[@sgtbigjake]

People using the "im not an investigator" claim when they are doing investigator work should either learn what they are doing or hand it off to people who do. Its like saying "well im not a contractor" to someone when you build their deck and it falls apart in 2 weeks.

[@scenenuf]

Mr Beast and his campaign to slowly and surely character assasinate all of his critics is hilarious. Dogpack had flaws in his accusations, but non comparable to what Mr Beast has done. He had no way of knowing if his video would initially go viral or even be heard. The fact it did go viral doesn't discredit the truths behind his amature and uneducated take on being an investgative journalist. Nor should Jake be insulted the way you have done so. As if they'd never have even asked why Delaware was called what he was called even early on. This guy saying there was no confirmation that he'd be used in dogpacks video even with his voice muffled is utter crap. Why say the things when being questioned in the first place and then try to retact them as heresay and gossip. He must've been pressured to go against his own words on that account that he may be complicit in helping character assassinate dogpack, as r Beast and his lawyers would be taking absolute care to fine pick every little flaw they can in his accusations to get back at him and discredit him in any way possible. The fact Mr Beast went through and edited every video quietly to erase "history" says enough to being guilty. Not to mention the crypto scams and just everything else. Muta your tske in this is ridiculous, and you should have just stayed quiet imo

[@TheGhostOfFredZeppelin]

Dogpack got some things right and a some things very wrong. It's only natural that his other claims and/or motivations should be questioned as a result. Think of it like this, 1+1=2, 1+4=5, 4+4=8, those are correct right? So with the logic of seemingly most people following this case, 6+5=617 should also be blindly taken as true and not even questioned since the first ones were right. I have no skin in the game regarding this so I don't actually care who is right or wrong, only that there is a right or wrong, not who's "winning". People are just picking sides and lose their shit when someone is staying in the middle and looks critically at both parties...

[@Lunacy-Rising]

Why would you call the Jake Weddle Guy an idiot though, that’s low

[@candyjones2671]

9:34 so you telling me, he just randomly talks to random strangers that call him about people he knows.

[@SilverHusky]

It wasn't a random stranger. He said that an old friend and colleague from Beast was the one on the call. That friend either had Dogpack listen in on the call or he just passed the audio to him. That is unless you think Garrett is lying.

[@Eisenwulf666]

yeah, that's a bit sussy. Also, he should know that in today's day and age every conversation is potentially recorded. That's just how it is.

[@whipspoon6281]

@@Eisenwulf666the nsa has a giant data center in Utah and everything is recorded there. Everything.

[@zipkick4883]

Here is the probably the biggest question, what was the purpose of Soggy's video. If it was to use evidence to disprove some of the claims the Dogpack404 or Was it to use side evidence to only discredit Dogpack404 Both can be true, but importantly if claims are not being addressed properly then at the end of the day its a scapegoat video. Dogpack404 can have shit reasons, or be a shit person, but if some of his claims are true then it still warrants an investigation into MrBeast absent the likeability of Dogpack404 Last Thing: I absolutely agree he should of passed it on to a third party to properly investigate (personally I don't think Dogpack404 himself is a fair narrator, just good at stirring the pot), but the past is the past, and now we have to deal with the present.

[@Oliver5]

The purpose was to take some common sense and not believe everything that dogpack said, he isn’t discrediting the true claims like the moldy cheese, the Jake weddle psychological state after the challenge. hiring Delaware or the illegal first lottery by not stating the free entry. Soggy is stating that dogpack needs to fact check and not throw every allegation without proper investigation (like the ivanka trump image or the false domestic claim), because if you start to believe everything point blank it would damage dogpack for slander Is that clear?

[@TheUncleRuckus]

100% this

[@dustyv3148]

8:00 mr. beast had aliens working for him??????

[@Mike-b6x8t]

I think this is definitely an L for Mutahar. I understand the main story is we need better proof I do agree. Recording someone without their consent that being an issue is crazy to me. Work chat or not who cares this is who he affiliates himself with there all Chomo’s.

[@ethanmcbee9556]

What bothers me is that he made a video dunking on ros after the hide and seek. Then he made a video supporting her when the Mr beast stuff comes out, and now she's the "internet baker lady." Kind of a spineless response if you ask me.

[@Mike-b6x8t]

@ agreed👍🏽

[@ordinaryrat]

As someone who irrationally dislikes some people initially, this has been a 3/3 win. MrBreast, DogPack, and SoggyCereal (in that order) are all dishonest and the latter two are in blatant bad faith. For anyone wondering about soggy cereal, in his video, he accused a small youtuber called Camnuggets of being a pedo. This was entirely baseless and the response by camnuggets proves this. This was in purely bad faith with no evidence, exactly what he accused dogpack of.

[@Robbie-mw5uu]

could you elaborate on why you think dogpack is bad faith and dishonest?

[@notoriousyolkhound4600]

I have learned at this point to trust nobody, so I will do just that

[@da_001]

fact. trust no one.

[@markbaraka7033]

Yeah at this point I've just grown numb to all of it 😭

[@blaaa22awwwf]

why even care about multi millionare's "drama".

[@unknownman5090]

Muta said himself. "Watch this objectively" As I watch this, dogpack is wrong and right. He manage to strike Mr Beast and crack his shield, but then he goes on to cook some stuff up that doesnt exist. Then come soggy which from what I read from all these comments, seem like bad faith too. Lastly, Jake weddle, tortured. yes. Tortured my ass. The challenge is very depressing sure but saying it torture while getting paid is wild. Its true there's limit to it but like, you were there on your consent. Its not like they held you captive. Mr Beast? Biggest crap here. I always felt something was off with him. I just dont know what. Didn't expect it to go this hard to be honest. I expect people to accuse him of like mismanagement at most but not this big of an issue. I mean, I used to hate Pewdiepie but not because I felt like he is bad person, it just his fricking excessive cursing (Well he a change man and im glad he did) that put me off. Is he a bad guy? No. He teach me that people at the top is human too. I remember him giving his playbutton to random people just because he can. Kind of weird but he did teach me how to be a good person at some point. Well that is until he do the cocomelon video. He just idiot (at that point), not a bad person. So I left him for a while until I heard he turn his channel into family channel and god I love watching it.

[@the_letter_5579]

@@da_001 Not even yourself

[@aoi8653]

Regarding Delaware, was it confirmed that Jake the Pirate was lying? Because what he said lines up more with Dogpack than with Soggy Cereal, and he was supposedly defending Delaware.

[@anto567]

Omg the vikings are getting forgotten about 😢

[@titanjakob1056]

Jake the Viking confirmed it on twitter that he was brothers in law with the guy and that his record existed plus the fact Viking got the job because of Delaware

[@theawesomeali8834]

Jake Weddle is not an idiot nor is he delusional. This is just messed up to say. He got tortured by MrBeast and his crew, they would NOT cut the lights so Jake could sleep, they made suffer with running a marathon, they clearly saw him in poor physical and mental condition and what does MrBeast do? He wants him to say something along the lines of “I’m grateful for this so I can pay my college funds”. Jake Weddle deserves better, he deserves to have the justice he wants. Don’t forget Jake Weddle had a rant on instagram over people harassing him, and it’s just messed up and sad to see.

[@captainjack4385]

The slop has rotted mutahar's brain

[@shikikywketsuki9892]

I agree it doesn't matter if he was being paid or not torture is still torture. Plus he mentioned he needed the money to pay bills it's not like he was gonna spend the money on a car or something he wanted. People will do almost anything if there is enough financial distress. Which has been proven time and time again and Jimmy should have known that.

[@jackalzirson2631]

Don't forget Mr Beast went to pay off Mr Weddle after the second dog pack video dropped. meaning beast himself has some guilt on it. Honestly, I like Mutahar, but what is wrong with the guy?

[@sugarvoids]

True, I liked Mutahar, but calling a tortured individual an idiot? Come on. You're better than that

[@thesupreme8062]

You guys are trusting him like a child.

[@drizzet11]

about the whole "Delaware" joke, it's 100% understandable for that joke to have spawned without them even knowing about his past. back in the day i used to play games with a guy we would call "Columbia" and we had almost the same joke, when ever someone new to the group asked about his name we would always go "well you see he used to run drugs for a south american cartel... and well long story short if he ever goes back to columbia the government will skin him alive." but the actual reason was he was going to columbia university when we all first started hanging out and we used to tease him about it. stuff like "oh look at mister big brain with his edjumacation from columbia university." when he said anything even slightly smart and it sorta just slowly devolved into "shut up columbia" to just calling him columbia

[@bdhale34]

Generally nicknames like that do link to criminal records, Country of origin is likely too but in the USA if you have a state nickjname you are 99.9% on a list in that state.

[@omahanprabla3058]

Who wouldn't be disgruntled with that bs, who would blame him for opening the Pandora's box of a company? At this point I don't care at all about Mr beast, he was, that's it. And I support anyone who wants to go get revenge for being treated unfairly.

[@flyingfish7787]

The cheese is still moldy no matter what

[@fernandoemh]

That was in the video too.

[@FreedomHero4]

Nobody is arguing that point

[@lJ0blixen]

Funny how people have no common sense and believe soggy who was paid to do this interview

[@slash4660]

Wdym? Soggy literally heavily critses Mr beast in the video. He says Mr beast has still done bad things and should still apologise for the harm he's done. His video wasn't a defence of Mr beast, it was to expose dog packs numerous lies.

[@leviticusprime4904]

@@slash4660you expect people to watch the original video?

[@Gettinoverbarrie]

Idk man It sounds like youre doing the same thing

[@DarkepyonX]

Soggy interviewed a corporate lackey who talked with a lawyer before talking with soggy . Word for word the same lines execs use in court when busted saying things, "Oh i didn't know I was being recorded" "it was just banter" please don't be stupid simps and think Soggy wasn't getting a cut 😂

[@slash4660]

@@Gettinoverbarrie yeah your right. I am doing the same thing as soggy. Stating facts.

[@MarceloDCAraujo101]

Coming up next on Some Ordinary Gamers: How Diddy didn't do anything wrong

[@tristysstuff6664]

Isn't MrBeast literally being investigated and has an ongoing lawsuit about the working environment of the places he runs? Ngl this soggy video felt more like it was just trying to discredit someone/smear them rather than actually trying to refute the points being brought. There's also the very clear bias in favor of MrBeast throughout the video yet it's trying to present itself as a slamdunk. And all we just gonna pretend the whole Ava Kris Tyson stuff, which was definitively proven didn't happen? Let's hear Jimmy try to explain his way out being best friends with an EDP as well as him cutting parts of former videos which had Shadman art displayed out. Yeah, I'm not falling for this stuff lmao and I'm glad to see most other commenters aren't either. Better luck next time Jimmy

[@ibrahimmujahed8000]

Slander and discredit the other party is not the way to clear your name. Its very imature and leaves more suspicion. Yeah dogpack done his fair share of bad investigations, but he brought alot of redflags into the light. The fact that jimmy didn't clear himself about those alligations equally raises eyebrows

[@fernandoemh]

no it doesn't, the worst thing you can do when you are a big content creator is address the allegations from a petty kid you fired for being a bad employee. What you do is you ignore and keep moving. Any dumbass who cares about all this drama doesn't watch the content anyway. Why would you apologize to twitter or your haters, what is there to gain? The best apology, is moving on and doing better, but for your audience. Just keep grinding. It's good that dogpack was exposed on being a liar, and surely worse stuff will come to light from both sides. But mr beast should jsut keep doing what he is doing. It's what a smart person would do.

[@ibrahimmujahed8000]

@fernandoemh credibility and trust doesn't come from who's bigger and who's more right, it comes with honesty and taking accountability. Yeah there is nothing to gain but it mitigates reputational and brand values. The best apology is an honest one, not one that hides behind a $1m lawyers and acting like nothing is happening. Yeah dogpack is lying, but he at least shows some red flags. And no ,smart people would know consequences always come back.

[@destinyhntr]

@@fernandoemh Pretty sus that you're commenting on every thread here defending Mrbeast like you are him.

[@kingofcrap4414]

@feenandoemh I'm pretty sure you're defending someone who's been confirmed to have CP on his server.

[@BlueBox-hh4fs]

It probably wouldve been taken seriously if Mr.Beast didnt go "OH, EvEryONE WatcH ThIS!!11!1!1"

[@bearb1asting]

It's been going on for too long. It's not gonna fix itself, and it won't ever be fixed.

[@kingofcrap4414]

Mr. Beast try not to look guilty challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

[@funnygrunt_o7]

Why would you inform someone you're recording them for an investigation when that will just get them to lie to you?

[@TheUncleRuckus]

Bc they may live in a Two Party Consent state that requires both party's be aware of the phone call is being recorded.

[@0redfr0g0]

​@@TheUncleRuckusonly the state laws of the person doing the recording matters. (Also they are some of the least enforced laws in existence.)

[@VexCuomo]

Mr. Beast reached out to several content creators and also SoggyCereal was PAID to go to NC and his video was edited there. This is a way of Mr. Beast doing damage control.

[@SloMoMonday]

The issue I have is that Jimmy seems to be skirting most consequences while Dawson, as a whistleblower, is being held to the lofty standards expected from journalists. Its easy to tell someone to "Just go through the proper channels and cover every base." until you realize that almost all of those channels are geared to protect companies. KZbin clearly plays favorites with the golden goose of the moment. I can't think of a single regulator or police force that would be willing to pursue a case. No other influencer wanted to speak up and risk loosing a collab. Most commentary and investigation channels have admitted to either supporting or giving Jimmy a pass. And the people that did speak out were often buried by the algo or swamped with the "BUT HE DOES SO MUCH CHARITY" responses. I'm pretty sure that if Jimmy wasn't swamped with so many simultaneous controversies we'd be in a very different world where Beast and friends would be swimming in a lot more money.

[@doopydarp1027]

Imma be real anyone attacking Jake weddle gets under my skin, if you don’t understand what someone desperate for money has to do you don’t get to comment on his behaviour

[@xeldinn86]

He didn't have to do anything. It was all jake's choice.

[@doopydarp1027]

@ he was put in a position where he had to sacrifice his physical and mental well-being so that MrBeast could make money

[@unknownman5090]

@@doopydarp1027 He got money too. Im not supporting anyone, but calling it torture is beyond me. Sure he got this bad treatment and stuff and it sucks, but he is making quick bucks you know. Ain't no way it got no price to pay. Not to mention, he did it on his own consent.

[@doopydarp1027]

@@unknownman5090 it’s the same principle as college football players, someone who is placed in a position where they can choose between abject poverty and physical harm is likely going to pick the latter. I’m not exclusively faulting mrbeast and his company, I’m defending Jake. He’s in a system that doesn’t provide the bare minimum to survive especially with the growing cost of living crisis, so he seeks employment in a predatory business that exploits its workers for entertainment. I don’t believe anyone should sit there and fault Jake Weddle for his “choice”

[@unknownman5090]

@@doopydarp1027 I dont support those stupid challenge. At the same time, I dont also support overexaggerating something. Do you know how tiring paramedic is? This dude make more than those guy in one day. Yes, its torture in a way. I admit. Mostly people who take this kind of "High risk, High Reward" Stuff shouldn't complain they got cooked up. It literally what you should expect. College football player? Its different. Harassment is not part of the contract. Signing with Mr Beast is like signing with Devil. Don't complain the devil did his shit if you the one sign for it.

[@hatchetman3662]

You DO NOT have to notify other parties in a recording IF, 1.) It is a one-party consent state (in USA), AND 2.) You, yourself take part in the conversation being recorded. Essentially, you are the "one party" giving yourself consent to record. I tested and confirmed this when my wife was being sexually harassed by her former manager and the owner of the business refused to do anything about it. She took the recording to HR, and he was gone within the hour. Disclaimer: This is not legal advice and I am not providing you legal counsel.

[@user-jo1wi8fh5x]

Muta said in the video that it was both legal and wrong. Your wife’s situation wasn’t released publicly and she does not have a large public reach. It’s a bad comparison, and you’re making it more difficult for people like your wife in the long run. It’s very easy to make a state 2-party consent, and a lot of state governments are already moving in that direction. Great work, kid.

[@aBitterMelon]

@@user-jo1wi8fh5x How is that his fault? Don't be so condescending.

[@NominDonutz]

Nice life hack

[@LlamaLogic]

Omg, IT'S NOT A LEGAL ISSUE IT'S A ETHICS ISSUE. You're situation is nothing like the Dogpack situation and is not a valid comparison. I don't understand how people watch this video where Mutahr is screaming it's not about legality and still go, "huh, but wat state was he in?" like how do you not comprehend the video to this such of a degree?

[@MINETURNNOWGamingRblxOnYT]

It's over, we are back, he's so done, some guy exposed, he's back, is he actually the good guy, he's so over, he's actually innocent.

[@thekingpotato346]

Thats some video game style man this shits wild

[@DrBadatgames84]

The general outline for a Yakuza game story

[@ebro6231]

​@@DrBadatgames84 real shit

[@magivkmeister6166]

People gonna milk this shit till GTA VI releases😂

[@Siscon92]

Who would've thought that muda would become controlled opposition. Way to discredit dogpack for all he's worth dude, I'm sure you're not a hypocrite that talks about allegations all the time without doing your own diligence yourself. Instead you wait for others to do it and ignore that you did the same

[@Mr.Bimgus]

Look up Muta's investigation on Save the Kids, the Completionist, and the club penguin fiasco. Muta is one of the very few channels on the platform that actually bothers to do a proper investigation into the topics he covers.

[@cosmicskydragon333]

@@Mr.Bimgus He gets information wrong so often... I'm sorry but you're wrong. Most of his videos I see I get annoyed of watching because he doesn't do any research and just listens to 1 video or rumor without critical thought.

[@Gettinoverbarrie]

Dogpack404's glazers only come backs: aRe yOu pAiD?!!! Meatrider!!!! Controlled opposition!!!

[@ellehcimbelle]

doesn’t mean he is always right.

[@OfficerRFriendly]

@@Mr.Bimgus He's also in a discord chat with other drama channels where they coordinate their shit. His investigations were for content and clout which he cashes in with slop like this crap.

[@kpturn42]

I’m fully able to believe that Best Buy doesn’t run BG checks on their managers, especially if they’re an internal promotion rather than an external hire. When I worked in specialty retail the company I worked for didn’t do BG checks for ANY role, let alone management. This led to our store manager stealing several thousand dollars of cash deposits and disappearing during the pandemic. I honest to god thought she was dead until I saw her in the DMV six months ago. We got a company-wide email after she disappeared announcing that all management hires had to have a BG check 😂😂😂 eta: they instated the BG checks rule because our manager had an arrest record for violating a restraining order, and we (employees/other managers) found out because we were snooping around trying to find her social media and found her mugshot instead 😂😂😂

[@mattrose99]

I agree that Dogpack is handling this badly, beyond not being a journalist. But I think what speaks for itself is the whole situation with Ava Chris Tyson. With how long her behaviour went on it doesnt seem like he sat her down for a talk and never distanced her from the buissness until he was called out. Sure some things can be down to 'he was young lets see how he changes moving forward' but at a certain point hes not that young and he should know better. He should see whats happening in the content creator sphere and learn from others actions. Ava is fully responsible for her actions but Jimmy is responsible for not holding her accountable as her friend and coworker.

[@xeldinn86]

Her? Chris is a man

[@jalilsamdex6025]

Allegations are getting real dawg 💀

[@ginnygin7141]

I thought this said aliens

[@Nev1812]

​@@ginnygin7141Aliens are getting real dawg 💀

[@flow8eraleutica]

I normaly agree with Mutahar but this time I disagree. There was NO ill intent in my opinion to be honest quite brave of Rosana and the two guys to stand up the reason why they did it don't matter bc many of us are not brave to raise suspicion about previous employers bc we are small fries. Why is that boy asking if he could get another chance at work BEGGING? I find this very degrading because everyday people who are not youtubers be it young or old or single parents ask for second chances and ACTUALLY resort to real begging to keep their jobs to keep the lights on at home. Why not find a new job? When let go you lose income. It can take MONTHS to find a job. No, it aint easy even KFC is picky ageist and sexist. So I have seen perfectly normal people look so pityful bc they are in their 40 with no job bc of their age especially WOMEN. Just because a person is let go does not mean they are degenerate or not good enough. If anything doesn't HR encourage being able to talk through things? Thats what they always say. In Jakes case he was tortured. We all agree to things under pressure or bc we want to please our boss. Saying he is an idiot is just stupid. He said what he understood and what was told. The person making these jokes is the problem. Jokes about SA and talking who you would bang from other female amployees should not happen even in private. Might as well start putting secret cameras in the female bathroom and share it in the chat bc BOYHOOD GIGACHAD companies have done this and female employees have to shut about potential harassment bc they get aclled sensitive and there is no way it actually happened. Muta bro as a female international subscriber I think you have forgotten how the real world works bc you are a youtuber. Mr. Beast is very selfish, sexist and terrible employer.

[@notuhyeahong]

I like to see the MrBeast drama as the collapse of the U.S.S.R., and Mutahar is the news reporter capturing the lowering of the Soviet flag over the Kremlin

[@OfficerRFriendly]

Is that news reporter vying to be the statesponsored media for Russia and the new regime?

[@oliverp3545]

The problem I've found with the guy trying to expose DP is that his reasoning is absolute shite, like one of his points is seriously 'you don't like JtV why are you using his testimony' and like that's just not a good point to wedge an issue.

[@linkspeaks]

Ok don't call Jake Weddle an idiot. That's completely unfair, considering his story about Delaware's name was secondhand anyway and not even the main focus of his interview

[@IndianNinja8299]

Dang muta where did Jake Weddle hurt you to come out so harshly against him. Yikes

[@HeavyHeartsShow]

they kept the dude around after finding out his charges. sus no matter what. and they probably asked why he's called Delaware right off the bat.

[@bdhale34]

If they didn't already know, it's very comon that people with state nicknames have prison numbers from those states.

[@alexanderstainton3199]

It shocks me how nobody is understanding that Jake whittle wasn't directly saying that's the origin of the Delaware Nickname. But that's what they were saying behind his back. The point was it's open knowledge of what he did while he was still employed there. Whether or not he's allowed in Delaware or not is a nothing burger.

[@meowateyourchips7417]

Yeah, people can gossip at work and start drawing conclusions. The important part is not who gave the nickname but people knowing his charges and how it's an open secret.

[@too_oden2199]

So this is just Mutahar now backtracking on everything lol

[@tylertiger52]

Can you talk about the chinese state-sponosred hackers hacking into tmobile and acquiring call times in an effort to presumably disrupt the governments communication? Government employees have been asked to communicate through web based communication over telecom due to this, and i would like to understand it a bit more because theres alot of confusion.

[@da_001]

+1

[@DarkForce2024]

+2 This sounds way more interesting than Mr. Beast junk. Never watched him anyway, so I really don't care.

[@konch7567]

+3 this sounds like a really interesting story, especially if true.

[@unknownman5090]

Hope he see this

[@chadwik4000]

Many states are only one party consent states when it comes to recording. Saying that someone's altered conversation because they know they are being recorded is journalism, I would like to know the reason. Everyone knows people have their opinions that are on the record and the real opinions which are off the record. The whole ethics thing is how they've been getting away with scamming us for so long. We need more gorilla journalism.

[@CPorter]

SOG needs to actually *watch* the dogpack404 videos again, instead of just talking out his ass.

[@kiwidll4018]

Just as an FYI, NC has a one party consent law, and mr. beast company is located there, so the good rule of thumb would be that the workers are also there, so in this case dogpack404 didnt break any laws and all he did was according to the law. edit: I just realized Mutahar said that torturing is ok as long as you pay the person... The thing was that he wasnt paid and that still falls under torture...

[@Voskos]

disgruntled employee = saying no to the cult

[@Vengeance23425]

It's ironic how the exposé videos were better than MrBeasts content

[@vicefamgaming]

Coz you're not a child. Mr. Beast videos aren't for people with actual braincells. But yes, these videos are definitely more interesting than his actual content.