🚨The Music Business Has a Huge Problem…ALL NEED TO SEE THIS!

[@nancydenis8059]

I do love Ren WITH the raw qualities in his beautiful voice. To me, imperfection is what makes perfection and individuality in an artist for sure 😁

[@REN4eva]

I love Fil, I have followed him for some time. His channel needs to be pushed just as much as Ren and the other independent artists who give true picture of who they are. Thank you for sharing ❤

[@BibiNabat-gu2ch]

Thank you for channeling what Fil has been shouting for ever! 👏👍

[@payntpot7623]

I have followed Fil for years now. I always feel he is very under appreciated and he is shouting into the wind. I am thrilled you are covering this topic too. I try to tell people who only listen to main stream, but fear it literally falls on deaf ears. So pleased you are adding your voice to this.

[@optimistinmyprime]

Is it weird when I get happy when KZbin worlds collide? I love Fil calling out the industry (and Rick Beato too), whether you're an artist or fan you need to know how you're being manipulated. Tim, I can't believe you're only 5 months in, you're so good at what you do!

[@cheekydiko]

I like Fil but not as much Beato. He says some dumb things from time to time and I don't think he quite understands that mainstream music is not a good way to judge all modern music.

[@nrsvlda70]

Thanks for posting this.. I’ve followed Fil for years and so appreciate him continuing to highlight this (just watched his recent vid analyzing Adele). I’m an oldie and appreciate actual MUSIC, and the musicians who bring it to us!

[@mstewart109]

Me also. 60s 70s grew up then. No comparison today.

[@payntpot7623]

Same here, found Fil years ago now and subbed straight away. I watched the Adelle analysis yesterday. Oldie here too.

[@GarnetJ]

There are some songs I don’t mind when autocorrect is used as a layering vocal effect but it bothers me when artists rely too heavily on it … especially if they can’t replicate it live. This is why I appreciate so many of Ren’s live performance videos. And seeing him live at SGP, I can attest that his voice and vocal expression is fantastic. It’s just a shame his health prevents him from touring and that the professional live recording of SGP wasn’t usable. More people need to be able to see him perform live!

[@TimWelchVocalStudio]

I agree. I don’t mind it on certain music when it’s an obvious artistic choice, not when it’s about deep faking us.

[@pjg58x]

Yes. Cher’s Believe is considered by many to be the first major recording to prominently use Autotune. However on that song it was an artistic choice for a unique effect, not to “correct” the vocals

[@ariadnepyanfar1048]

@@pjg58x exactly, she created a great sound that was deliberately artificial and electronic.

[@kevinpelletier9547]

Thanks for highlighting Fil! I've listened to him for years.

[@annegreen9499]

I’m so glad that you discussed this. I’ve followed Fil at WofP for years. I couldn’t agree more with both of you. The use of technology like pitch correction, auto-tune & now AI really worries me. I’ve spent my life studying & practicing. It’s really galling when you see tech replacing talent. I can hear the processing at the moment but AI’s getting more sophisticated everyday & eventually the only way anyone’ll be able to tell is through analysis. What does that mean for the future? Fewer kids wanna spend the years it takes practicing to develop as skilled musicians when they can get instant results & start composing their own ‘music’ on a PC. Tech can be great when it’s used to compliment skilled musicians, but it should never replace them.

[@ariadnepyanfar1048]

And many of those same kids might have developed amazing voices if they had had to keep pushing and refining their talent instead of getting immediate tech assistance. Instead tech will have stunted their potential.

[@SteveAckerman-ly3qg]

Love you're raising this issue - I only recently became aware of Fil's channel but love his honest straightforward approach to educating music listeners. I sincerely hope this will lead to some sort of pushback by fans, along with a desire to hear the actual unadulterated vocals of true artists like 18yo Angelina Jordan. You've recently discovered her - one of the great voices of this or any generation. Absolutely NO need for pitch correction. She has the God/given talent, work ethic, integrity and love of great music to do the right thing.....and her storytelling and ability to convey emotion DEPENDS on us hearing her real voice, I believe. And talk about sounding great live, OMG. All fans of real music should go see her in concert - next chance: LA Christmas concert Dec 14, at the intimate El Rey Theatre. I'll be there.

[@pjg58x]

Angelina is an example of an artist who’s natural unique ability (details, nuances,) would get lost with over manipulation. At a concert last year, I guess the venue crew was asking about playbacks, she said, “I don’t use playbacks”.

[@SteveAckerman-ly3qg]

@ That happened in Portsmouth, at the start of a song during the concert - I think it was Now I'm the Fool. The sound crew started a track but it must have been the wrong one and included her VOICE. She said something like: I don't use those.

[@Pyanfar]

❤️❤️❤️❤️👣 This is why I like Angelina Jordan. The emotion in her voice is off the chart. I heard her live last September in Glendale, and she was awesome. I am not a musician but I am older and grew up listening to music when there was no such thing as Autotune. The thing that I notice about many singers today that people say are so wonderful is that to me they sound like... I don't know how to describe exactly but they sound dead, like there is no soul in their voice.❤️❤️❤️❤️👣

[@pjg58x]

I’m glad you saw the light about using the software. There is a vocal coach online that openly admits that she uses Autotune or some software like that. My thought is how can you by a vocal coach or teacher when part of your “training” is that after you record you can always go back and manipulate your vocals? If doing for affect that’s different, but otherwise isn’t the purpose of lessons to be better and unique at your craft?

[@TimWelchVocalStudio]

Exactly. The goal is to build your coordination to a level that you don’t need correction. It’s all about muscle memory building.. It just takes a lot of time, and a lot of people don’t want to spend that time.

[@mubbles1066]

Which coach is she?

[@pjg58x]

@mubbles1066 Don’t remember the name. I haven’t actually watched her channel. I believe Fil actually mentioned it in one of his videos. That’s where I heard about her.

[@ytuser392]

Loved this video! Since I'm not a professional singer or sound engineer I can't really tell whether there is pitch correction/autotune on a recording or performance, but in the last few years I noticed more and more that something didn't sound natural in the singing, some tracks felt strangely without human emotion and in some performances I struggled believing the sound really came out of the singer's mouth! I was wondering whether it was me and the fact that I'm in love with vintage stuff that made me feel like all of the old songs sounded better and warmer, now I know that it's actually the processing of the sound!

[@TimWelchVocalStudio]

Yes, that’s definitely a big part of it!

[@ariadnepyanfar1048]

If you follow Fil’s channel you can find the fabulous contemporary singers who aren’t pitch corrected. Like Adele!

[@DarienLovesJazz]

It's insane what's going on these days. The lip syncing especially. Glad you are going to be talking about it more. Thanks for highlighting Fil's work as well.

[@krikat3485]

I’m with you on this one, Tim! I’ve been watching Fil for some time now, and he’s really brought this to the forefront. Good performances are not perfect performances, and that’s what makes real performances so special. It is shocking that so many singers these days are using it, or their recording engineers are using it. I’d really rather hear the real performance, without the pitch correcting softwear.

[@michaelbradley7529]

The difference between being honest and giving an opinion is having the receipts. I think this is a good direction to go in.

[@TroyArchAngel]

I sincerely respect you for doing this 🙏🏻

[@cherylwitter5038]

Love when 2 of my favorite channels come together!

[@lozboz]

I watch both you and Wings of Pegasus frequently. You’re both a trusted source of what good and authentic (not manufactured) music is.

[@DiamondGirl-1234]

I love Fil and his channel. Thank you for your channel and your shout out. I appreciate hearing your take on it. I'll subscribe. ❤

[@KYRIE_eleison_onme]

Thank you for showing this. I love Fil. You also have a great channel. Good job.

[@robertkoops5689]

You could not make me more happy, regarding this topic. I follow Fil, and don't miss any video. I work with the same software (apps) to analyse songs myself, just to train my hearing. So often when I see reaction videos I think 'omg they talk about pitch accuracy, not knowing (not hearing) that they are (partly) listening to a computer', when a song is pitch-corrected. The core problem is not (only) that people are getting fooled, but getting used to computer generated sound, which laks the deeper expression. And that is poison tot our brain, because we as social animals, we need the expression in our communication, even when it comes through a song.

[@larka742]

Great to push his channel! I just love what he do, the "best" or worst I might say was he resent clips on the Taylor Swift ERAs tour. Some were not surprised, but I was - and at the level she was using technology. I mean...honestly?

[@TimWelchVocalStudio]

Yeah, that video was heartbreaking.

[@manueladestefano3091]

This topic is very interesting and it's time to face it! Thank you for your job!

[@patcow9999]

I follow Phil's channel too. Not just on this highly concerning direction the music industry is taking but his exposure of highly acclaimed artists miming their sell-out stadium shows. With live music, we celebrate the imperfect, the impromptu, we look for a difference to the oft polished studio version. Loving both, recognizing the difference. Slightly off topic but somehow connected, I remember Slade's Noddy Holder telling the story how he was struggling with his voice on a US tour, went to a voice coach for some advice on how to protect his singing to last the tour. That coach asked him to sing a few bars, in Noddy's shall we say, rather unique delivery, the voice coach stopped him mid flow and said "I'm sorry, there's nothing I can do with that singing method! Probably the kind of challenge you'd have loved! Can't help thinking the modern music industry will find less and less room for a Noddy Holder type voice.

[@SaraKvammen-tx7qc]

I'm glad I still have my old records now.The cure, Tori Amos etc etc. This is so sad. I paint, the same thing there with AI.

[@banksofchaos93]

To me that is the part that is so threatening - going back and "improving" and rereleasing music that pitch correction actually *makes worse* because it averages all the life out of the song. I get irritated at the idea that a band wants to mime a show and not be honest. I get furious when they mess with what never needed any "correction" in the first place.

[@anahills3836]

It's like allowing steroids at the Olympics. Terrible.

[@kittymccarthy2111]

I agree and Fil is amazing. I have enjoyed his channel for years.

[@ellesaaltjejenneke5400]

I love the rawness of live performances and I don’t mind if they are not perfect. Sometimes artists even sound better live. Years ago I went along with a friend to the concert of a Dutch artist Ilse de Lange. I knew her music but I was not a fan before that, but man her concert was amazing. I follow Fil’s channel and I’ve learned a lot.

[@Chronically_Kimberly]

I agree 100% I can hear the pitch correction sometimes, but I'd love to be more proficient at hearing it. And I have to say that your channel has very quickly become one of my top 3-5 favorite channels that I look forward to watching. I love the education as well as entertainment. It's a great combo. ❤

[@amyrosado4066]

Much appreciation for what you want to achieve with your channel! I just finished watching Dimash performance at Dubai where he was recognized. He sang the Theme song Stranger. I think he sang life. But there seems to be a lot of doubt in what he and other artists like the one you mentioned truly stand for. And is presesily what you are pointing out. Thank you for what your doing! Much love 🫶🫶🫶🫶🫶

[@roywall8169]

Fil is 100% on this. I am having a hard time listening to music. There aren’t enough honest acts out there.

[@QueenMisteltoe]

I love this and I totally agree. I want authentic and real❤ I think we - as humans - we want it easy… As a *non educated I sing cause I love it but I don’t really know how* I love educating myself. So thank you 🙏🏼

[@Ladybassguitarplayer]

Tim, I am so glad you are talking about this. I have followed Fil for a long time. His honest purely data based graph analysis has always fascinated me. Pitch correction hasn't bothered me that much. But the series he just did on a certain artist's live tour using so much pitch correction and lip syncing (he called it miming) blew my mind and really upset and disappointed me because it's not just that artist, it's so many of them! Music is life. 🎶I hope the industry will take a look at this and back off some. Let the artists be real!

[@TimWelchVocalStudio]

Couldn’t agree more. 💛✨🙏🏼

[@Sanders-vd3tp]

The comparison to photoshop needs to be brought up again and again. We now have such a strong movement against photoshop & filters, we should have it against pitch correction, autotune and lip syncing (eg. it should be made clear when parts of live performance are lip synced). Otherwise it just perpetuates unrealistic standards, this time not of bodies but of voices. When Fil once said something along these lines I was like: this man speaks the truth!

[@EllaSilentDragon]

Fil‘s channel is awesome. ❤ But it can really make you kinda despair, when you realize what is done to great singer‘s voices sometimes (going as far as reuploading old performances from decades ago and pitch correcting them) and how some people always sing with autotune and their listeners like that sound. 😭 I was just at Dimash’s concert in Düsseldorf. His voice is the best thing I‘ve ever heard in my life. ❤ He played with the songs and sings many differently every time he does a concert, is always very accurate pitch-wise, but sometimes he forgets words or has a note that is not perfect (and I mean a tiny bit off). He sounds so beautiful. ❤️ But there are still shows, that needlessly apply pitch correction to his voice when he performs there. 😳 That makes me so angry, when we could have heard the full beauty of his voice and all the emotions, but someone decides to ruin it and remove emotion and that tone by running it through a computer first. 😭

[@TimWelchVocalStudio]

Yes!

[@debbiemorgan859]

I remember a vocal coach running Dimash's voice through a program and proving that he actually sounds far better without pitch correction. You can always rely on Dimash to forget the lyrics at some point in the concert. The Chinese TV shows are very guilty of this, they won't allow anything to go out without being absolutely perfect and it calls into doubt then everything he's done, especially to those not familiar with his voice, for example the latest performance of Stranger in Dubai, people are already saying it's playback when if you've listened to Stranger a million times like I have, there's quite obviously tiny differences in pronunciation, inflection and even the odd note change here and there.

[@EllaSilentDragon]

@debbiemorgan859 I start to suspect, that they try to make him sound worse, so that the difference to the other singers is not that obvious. 😅 Or maybe they really think that being always on the lines makes it sound "better", even though the the emotions get muted and that weird metallic sound appears. 😭 After some of Fil‘s more recent videos (Adele and Taylor Swift) I realized that the reason Dimash’s performances at awards shows and so on sound so close to previous performances sometimes, might be because he is singing to a backing track with his own voice. This makes the timing so close, that it almost sounds the same. And we know he can hit the note very accurately every time - even without any music. So it might be, that he sings more live than some of us think. I heard it with the SOS at the Elisée. Two voices at the same time. First I thought it was an echo. But I think we could hear the backing track. Because it sounded like the 2018 performance and his other vocals on top were different and stronger somehow. That’s why I wish I had the software Fil and Tim have. I could check myself. 😅 I still can’t believe how good he sounded at the concert. 🥰 Without lip-synching and pitch correction or anything. (Pretty sure for the most if not all of the concert - I paid attention) But unfortunately shows tend to mess with singer‘s voices more and more. And new listeners then think that those singers can only sing that well because of technology. When it‘s the other way around. Technology makes Dimash sound worse. 😭

[@debbiemorgan859]

@@EllaSilentDragon I agree with you 💯 every single thing you wrote. I watched the live stream of Mortal Life. It was obvious that Dimash's voice had been compressed so that Huang stood out. When it was uploaded to Dimash's channel that compression had been removed. The trouble is that the human race is practically programmed to believe the negative over the positive, it ensured our survival, so it only takes one or two people to state that it's playback (even when they don't know that for a fact) and people start to believe it and then question all other performances. Like when someone said they're not allowed to perform live in Russia, well we know that's false because Dimash was called a freak by Russian artists for his insistence on performing live. He's got so many "tells" for playback performances that I'm surprised how many people haven't picked up on them. It's blatantly obvious to me when he's lip syncing. No one is absolutely perfect at being able to lip sync, it's not humanly possible and that's why so many people get caught out and despite what people say Dimash is human. I find it truly sad for him that he either has to mess up or change a song very obviously before people believe he's actually singing it.

[@EllaSilentDragon]

@@debbiemorgan859 This! Exactly! 💯👍❤️

[@angelasanchez4413]

Wings of Pegasus is an excellent channel. I have watched Phil for several years. Thank you for highlighting him.

[@whatsername123]

Gotta Love Fil. Ive followed him for many years, through all kinds of content. Top notch stuff. Great guy.

[@jamiemacdonald6899]

Totally agree. It's the frailty and humanity in vocals that resonate on a primal level. Production has its place and some of the tools when used well can enhance a track but they shouldn't be over egged.

[@stildiko]

Thanks Tim, for stating the obvious. Audience needs to be educated, and I'am happy you are not going after likes but trying to keep your channel honest and authentic.

[@sharoncarlisle9453]

I watch Fil's videos. The really terrible thing is when they go back and pitch correct classic performances. I remember one he found in which they had pitch corrected a Bee Gee's video. It was horrible.

[@pjg58x]

That makes me furious. I’ve heard that it’s been done with Queen too. What is even the point to that? It’s just a mindset with the music industry. I don’t know how much clout the artist has to stop that. It’s almost like taking a painting by VanGogh or Rembrandt and touching it up for no apparent reason.

[@toria-j]

@@pjg58x The Queen one upset me. The new version sounds awful, and Fil even spotted that the instruments were out.

[@sharoncarlisle9453]

@@pjg58x Exactly!

[@rovcanada1]

This will never happen in the USA, but I want other countries to start mandating that the industry/artists that use pitch correction clearly label their products to warn consumers that they are being cheated; much like the "explicit language" stickers were enforced upon the industry.

[@teedeed5390]

Fil is a great guy and great musician his analysis are spot on not angry or belittling just truth. Plus Fil jams are great! 💜

[@mothra54]

I love to see young reactors seeing singers from before pitch correction was a thing. If you were a great singer we all heard it. Now we can’t always tell. It takes something away from the raw emotion that we got with a lot of singers back in the day.

[@robgrano6814]

"like a photo-shopping equivalent in the audio world" -- exactly right!

[@artistman5533]

After watching this clip, I followed you and was about to click to listen to "Over The Rainbow" by Eva Cassidy. Pure voices are always beautiful

[@TimWelchVocalStudio]

Eva is magical!

[@FleaÉire]

Fields of Gold by Eva is my favourite

[@tomwhite4736]

​@@FleaÉireAngelina jordan age 15/16 ? kzbin.info/www/bejne/aojae3t-rd17jM0si=Wo6o8BppkdM6OXpW. Just a a quick before bedtime . Feels of gold .😊

[@tomwhite4736]

It's so ironic, Autotune/ pitch correction makes good singers worse . Fil l is a expert at video analysis , and is 100% fair . Many fans of a artist just will not accept the truth and are in deniel !!!!

[@lynnemartin2291]

Terrific! Totally agree. 🤗

[@robertkoops5689]

Respect your honesty about using pitch-correction in the past. And b.t.w. I found your channel when you commented Lady Gaga, Happy Mistake. That was for me (and I see a lot of reaction videos) a pleasant surprise. I love you teaching! This is adds great value for me as listener and home-singer. Thank your, I hope your channel will grow!

[@kathrynbyoutube]

I have never heard of Fil but I will go check him out! Thank you!

[@toniyoung5131]

I've been subbed to Fil for a few years. This has been a big issue that he brings to wide attention. His breakdowns of music in general are eye opening.

[@manuelper]

This is why I mostly dgaf about modern pop music. The amount of auto-tuning and pitch correction going on makes me not support them out of principle. And don't get me started on how then, many of these same artists, lip sync their way through their tours but still charge you hundreds of dollars for a ticket. Check out more of what Wings of Pegasus does as he exposes this nonsense on a regular basis.

[@SAC786]

❤❤❤this is why I don’t listen to very many “new artists “ anymore ❤❤

[@indiefaerie]

I've been thinking a lot about the anime Carole & Tuesday, where two young women pair up and start writing and performing music together, and it's completely astonishing to everyone around them (they go viral etc) because in their advanced society on Mars, all the music is written by AI and the singers are pushed to be a certain way and just perform what they're given. It was released in 2019 and at the time, at least to me, the idea of a completely normalised AI-generated music industry seemed much further away than it does now 😩 It's a gorgeous series and the music is all performed by musicians in English while the actors speak in Japanese, it's so, so good. (I mean, I can really only recommend the Japanese version at least, haha.) Anyway, food for thought, I guess 😅 I'd much rather hear imperfections (honestly, even if someone isn't very good, I'd rather know what they're actually like), but of course the industry doesn't care about that when they can make money and people can't tell, like you said. Personally I can't stand the metallic sound of pitch correction, it usually makes it sound worse to me. Editing to briefly add that it makes me feel extra crazy when I can see people getting used to expecting unrealistic perfection from live shows, especially with high-intensity dancing etc, and then they start expecting that from other singers who just don't do those things or whose voices aren't compatible with it, and then they criticise them for being "bad" when it's just the reality of a live performance. Nightmare. Thanks for sharing, I watched his video about Judy Garland a little while ago and I thought his perspective was great.

[@domizianamiodini]

Sono una dear e conosco 'wings of pegasus', lo seguo da qualche mese. Ma penso che lo sappiamo tutti che oggi i cantanti usano autotune. In Italia praticamente tutte le nuove generazioni. Fortunatamente c'è ancora chi sa cantare. Dal vivo quando hanno problemi tecnici fanno delle figure veramente indegne. Il bello è che spesso fanno passare queste tecnologie come necessarie per l'esecuzione dei brani musicali, lo dicono candidamente (capitò anche al Festival della musica di Sanremo). Ciao

[@Mhantrax]

One huge problem I have found while trying to spread the message about how often the artists themselves aren't even involved in the pitch correction is defensiveness from fans. Who is God's name ever, though it was a good idea to pitch correct Dimash!!?? It isn't his live stuff (which is amazing), but one album. When I tried to talk to my dad, a huge fan, about how Dimash may have not even known, I got one and a half sentences out, and he went hyper defensive and ranted about how everyone tries to tear him down and slander him. Closed mind, won't even talk about it.

[@cheekydiko]

People like that ruin everything for the fans who aren't so protective and hypersensitive. Although, I don't think Dimash is completely unaware, I just don't think he cares all too much for its use on a professionally recorded album, and I can't say I blame him, as its used fairly subtly most of the time there anyway. That being said, I think they autotuned the line right before the first chorus of smoke, it sounds robotic and it kind of brings me out of it.

[@MichaelCRush]

I don't think I've liked an autotuned song since Cher's.

[@TimWelchVocalStudio]

Hahaha!! Been a minute then.

[@jbs256]

Agreed! Cher used it as a gimmick. Which is fine by me. Her voice doesn’t need correcting.

[@hagbard1983]

Great statement! When autotune was introduced I stopped listening to mainstream music. It hurts my brain and I fullheartedly hate it. I even hate it when singers I love, like Ren, use it (in Wicked ways for example, can‘t listen to that song).

[@CirTap]

Bravo ! Good choice, please keep it coming ! Fil is a legend and I#ve been watching him for a while how. The effort and time he puts into these analyses deserves applause. 👏 It's always amusing to read in the comments when hard-core fans suddenly learn that the "great voices" of their musical heroes come from a can.

[@TheMartinScott]

Glad you mentioned AI, because it is important to this subject as it will escalate the need for and importance of authenticity. AI's biggest problem is the art of imperfection. Human flaws, with all their subtlety and intention, are nearly impossible to replicate convincingly. When AI attempts imperfection, it feels forced, even uncanny, with flaws that don’t connect to any underlying meaning. Take AI-generated images as an example. They excel at precision, but when they introduce "natural" flaws, those distortions often miss the mark, landing somewhere between unsettling and nonsensical. It’s a reminder that imperfection isn’t just about randomness - it’s about context, intent, and experience that AI can’t fake. In a way, AI is a bit like MIDI, perfect precision, too perfect. AI is also just a tool like MIDI, which like AI today, was feared it would destroy music - it didn't, and neither will AI. As AI-generated content becomes ubiquitous, people will instinctively seek out work that feels alive, that carries the fingerprints of human error and intuition. Making authentic human creation and performance even more important. -I think what you are doing is really important. It is also needed now, maybe more than ever.

[@TimWelchVocalStudio]

Love this comment, thanks. 🙏🏼

[@tomwhite4736]

Some pitch correction is very minor . Whoever is responsible was probably taking the easy route , rather than have the singer returning for another take . The artist probably had no idea pitch correction was happening . Is that reasonable ?

[@TimWelchVocalStudio]

I think in some cases, yes the singer had nothing to do with it

[@WilEtz-y4i]

Thank you for this video Mr. Welch. I love it. The way music industry decided to go is wrong in my opinion because why I should spend money to singers they actually miming live or can't sing properly without huge electronic help? I think music industry splitted up in "entertainment industry" and "real music". Unfortunately "entertainment industry" flooded most parts of former music industry. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@anahills3836]

I want to know when pitch correction is being used and how much and when it's not.

[@MoondustMaia]

I have been following Fil for some time. I think what he's been doing regarding calling out autotune and pitch correction, and backing tracks and lip-syncing at 'live' performances is very eye opening. I'm glad to see your willingness to start talking about it also. I wish more of the vocal specialist reactors would do so as well. I was really surprised to find out what is really going on, especially with big names that I would have expected to be a big name becuase of natural talent. It seems like having a natural talent and artistry for being an amazing singer is not going to be important, or even recognizable any more, except for perhaps independent artists who value being themselves more than trying to be whatever it is that would attract label interest. I'm old enough to have had experienced concerts back in the day, before any of this type of technology was available. It's been sadly amusing to watch some channel reactions to live performances from the '60s or '70s and the young 20-something producer is amazed at how the band can be so together, sometimes with even planned tempo or time changes - when they don't even have in-ears for a click track.

[@p.f.5718]

I am absolutely your opinion and I am looking forward to learn if I hear that or not Love from Austria 🇦🇹

[@Ann-vi5ns]

Strongly agree.

[@TheOtherAlexis]

There are many reasons an artist will use one pitch correction or a backing track for a live show, and it is not because they can't sing. Running around on stage for a couple hours, multiple times a week with fans expecting perfect vocals and flawless choreography is hard. Getting a boost for some of the more demanding notes or songs helps the artist put on a show thier fans expect while preserving the physical health of the vocal cords. Studio albums/record label is another story, but fandom culture needs to be addressed. The insecurity and pressure to be perfect or else they'll be dragged all over the internet is a problem that can't be denied. Too many people demand perfection instead of celebrating flaws.

[@whatsername123]

The rule used to be if you can't hit the note, hit them with the emotion. No need for true emotion/connection in singing anymore, bc auto tune removes it anyway.

[@beckyboop3517]

Edited to correct Merrys surname to Clayton. don’t want Ai. On the song Gimme Shelter, Rolling Stones, you can hear Mick go whoah when Merry Clayton voice cracks, she asked, should I do it again and, the answer was, hell know ! They loved it. Some channels have done a breakdown of the song and isolated her vocals to hear it clearly, no one has come close to Merry on that song yet! Brilliant stuff

[@Dave-hb7lx]

I agree. I think its more about marketing not the artistry. The music industry kinda always did a form of pitch correction. Read that in the 50's and 60's etc they would speed or slow tape up plus slicing tape to help achieve pitch. Read how John Lennon would have sound engineers run his voice through a Leslie organ speaker to obtain vibrato. Isn't reverb a form of correction? So, every generation did what was available BUT this is a whole new ballgame. With AI and the auto tune and even possibly a harmonizer (invented by Collier, I think) it could possibly change it all. The true artist may not be as marketable possibly because of the way they look so lets make the good looking off key singer better using software. It is a problem, could not agree more.

[@cherylwitter5038]

Just saw Iron Maiden in Ft Worth, TX 2 weeks ago and Bruce Dickinson's voice is soooo good and he is 66, i kept thinking about Fil doing all these auto tune and miming during concerts stuff, it was crazy beccause i know they are the real deal!

[@ijusthis-hr7yg]

In modern times, We hardly hear distinctive vocals anymore. It’s as if everyone is trying to sound like everyone. It’s bland. We want to hear more human vocals

[@whatsername123]

Fil also shows how it's not always the artist who makes this choice. A label can auto tune your vocals w/o your permission, bc contract.

[@revagreen2303]

Me too I have followed Fil for years! Smart guy!

[@rw9019]

Hmmm. Lately Ive only been listening to Ren and Ren reactors. Dont think he does that 😉 But fair point. Fil is great. He does a what-if pitch correction on freddie mercury which is tres interesting. ❤ Both of you are blessings to us mere listening folk.

[@supasoulproductions]

I am of the opinion that there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG with using pitch correction in moderation. If done properly, it can actually add to the overall expression and vibe of a song, rather than detract. The problem comes when it is being used, as Fil describes, to prop up a mediocre singer. And worse yet more and more, labels are going back to classic performances and pitch correcting vocals that absolutely do NOT need it. This really lends credence to Fil's 'theory of auto tune' (Line up those responsible and have them..................locked in a small room with Tiny Tim records being played at high volume for a week straight, LOL!!). But I reiterate, a good producer can subtly use pitch correction to tweak a part of a performance that has the emotional expression desired but is perhaps a bit too far off pitch. That's what it was designed for, IMO, and that use should not be condemned along with the rest.

[@Codex7777]

The trouble is, that 99%+ of 'live' performances aren't really live any more either, so it doesn't matter if someone can do it authentically live. It's all backing tapes, hidden players/singers, autotune and other live production techniques! I've watched a few of his videos and although it's not surprising, it is disappointing that this is where we are. A lot of young people don't seem to be able to hear it, as it's become all-encompassing, which is depressing. Many don't like authentic live performance. I've even heard some say that they don't like real instruments! The analysis of Taylor Swift's live performances were no surprise. They were all pitch corrected and/or autotuned. What was a surprise was Michael Buble! I'm not a fan of his music but I always assumed that he was one of the few who still did authentically live performances. I was wrong. It really does appear that virtually everyone is doing this, or using backing tapes, when it comes to live performance nowadays. To say nothing of studio performance, which has been massively over-produced for quite some time. Most major artists nowadays are brands. The producers are the ones running things. Most artists don't know what an instrument is. Even those that do have more as a prop than as an instrument. Take away their producers, backing dancers and songwriting teams and there's nothing left! It's one of the main reasons I was drawn to Ren. He really can do it live! It's raw, real and emotional. You can really hear it! Perfect imperfection! He even plays with imperfection, perfectly! :) He's a great producer too of course but his production is always for musical reasons, or for purposes of story-telling. For instance he has a couple of tracks where he uses autotune at points. It's not because he can't hit those notes, it's because he wants those slightly 'metallic' sounding vocals, at that moment. It's for artistic reasons and is used sparingly. Most of the time not at all. When your vocal heroes are Jeff Buckley and Nina Simone, you're going to understand the sheer beauty of raw, emotional "imperfection". :)

[@pjg58x]

Couldn’t agree with you more. It’s one thing if the manipulating software is used for a certain audio effect. But when it’s automatically used on all recordings, even for artists that have natural amazing voices in pitch, emotion, details, etc. it’s not fair to those artists because a lot of what makes them unique is lost and they end up sounding just like anyone else who has nowhere near the talent and ability. It’s not fair to the artist with the natural talent who works so hard at their craft but doesn’t get the recognition. The loss of the details and nuances is the real crime. What happens to best vocal performance Grammys? Should they now be best manipulated vocal performance awards? Should the award go to the engineer? Artists are even using live Autotune and playbacks to partially or fully lip sync in concert. The problem is the fans either don’t know or don’t care. All they want is to be entertained. It’s really a shame. Plus the resulting sound does not sound like the natural human voice, sounds mechanical. Many reactors praise the vocals of artists of the past that had amazing voices such as Linda Ronstadt, Karen Carpenter and a multitude of others. Can they do that now when for the most part they aren’t even hearing the artists natural voice?

[@TimWelchVocalStudio]

It is a crazy problem

[@kathrynambler1658]

I am so glad I found both Fil and you. It took me a little while until Billy Joel released his first song and what 30 years and whenever I heard it I couldn't stand it and I didn't know why. I know I loved it at the awards it And I didn't know why at first. I went back to Fil's site And I could start to hear it and now I hear it wherever it is Used. and Freddy Mercury, Celine Dion, Pavarotti for crap's sake. If I were a singer I'd be furious. Your and Fil's site need to keep popping up wherever possible. Call these music industry slobs out.

[@Oldperson-wt3ui]

Popular "mainstream" singers, 99% of them sound just like all the others, IMO, probably because of auto tune. My favorite artist, Aurora, doesn't use auto tune, no, if she does go off pitch (hardly ever happens) she just keeps going and doesn't worry about it, because she is human, not a machine. She does use reverb and on her albums she does like to experiment and use some effects on her voice for some songs. Conflict of the MInd, the effects on her voice makes her voice sound like an old phone or a voice in your head, she is always exploring and experimenting with her songs.

[@katiemcteague]

My dad used to tell me back in the 1960s, that you know a real singer when they sing just as well live as they do on a record. When you listen to music, for the most part, by the big mainstream artists today it just doesn’t have that same quality or richness that the real voice has without enhancement. I would rather have a truly great singer have a bum note here and there than to listen to lesser artists corrected to the point of being uninteresting. When you go back and listen to the true great singers like Barbra Streisand and Karen Carpenter you just can’t compare them to what you’re hearing today. They soar well above the crowd. What’s the point of singing if you can’t sing?

[@antiqueinsider]

Yes I can hear it, and it's become so widespread that I now don't even WANT perfect tone. I have perfect pitch and poor tuning can be physically painful to me. I used to be as fussy as Burt Bacharach, but in the age of computers I'd rather have character AND imperfection. PS Like Fil I'm a fan of Karen Carpenter's voice and also a Renegade!

[@phylad]

Fil blew the lid off

[@pjg58x]

I don’t think there were many, if any, live performances on American Bandstand. Lip syncing was pretty common on a lot of those shows but I think when someone pays good money to see an artist perform live, they should expect a live performance unless they are just there to look at them.

[@toria-j]

Our friend Ken also just popped up as a sponsored post on my Fb. 🙃

[@KiaMeFreeDD7349]

When vocals are obviously altered as part of a song(used as an instrument), I don't mind, but if it is a correction to deceive, I don't want it in my life.

[@stevemcgowen]

It’s just studio engineered music now. Singers today can’t even sing and just lip sync at live events.

[@ianrose56]

That's why I only listen to and support independent artists now. And we all know I'm a Renagade, and my favourite independent is of course the one and only Sick Boi Ren..😁😁🇬🇧🇬🇬🇬🇧❤🇺🇸👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@billeaton9562]

I just watched a reactor look at seven or so versions of "Wildflower" by Billie Eilish and IMO only a couple of the different singers were not pitch corrected. It is difficult to tell as they are not simply using it across the board but more targeted within the song. Billies version as shown sounded iffy but I think that may have been due to the harmonics created by four backup singers. So as you believe she does not use the product I will go with that for a reason.

[@Headtube]

I can understand gifted, professional singers objecting. They will likely lose some work......but they were lucky to be born with their abilities and would happily deny the less lucky the opportunity to sing professionally. Who's right here? Who's to say? I think it's stupid that being born super tall is a ticket into the NBA. Luck is a unfair decider for success.

[@BlessingMoon.]

This reminds me of the hit factory days. Anyone with the right attitude could turn up and be made into a pop singer. Some actually believed they could sing live 😂.

[@YTjunkette]

Fil is awesome. I can't hear auto tune etc, but my hearing overall isn't the best anyway. People really should be made aware this goes on, it's to ridiculous levels already. But be prepared for backlash from fans! Some can get downright hateful if you even sort of imply their idol uses any kind of correction. (Dears, I'm looking at some of you!)

[@Lulabee2024]

Its my view that the younger than me generation (I'm 59) and even many in my age group WANT the perfection; they're being sold an image of it physically; they want the audio to match what they see; appreciation for the art of music in its raw form doesn't matter much for so many because frankly, they aren't going to concerts to actually EXPERIENCE the live performances NEARLY like they were in decades before no; For the "music industry" it makes sense to go in that direction FOR THE SAKE OF EASY PROFITS. I'm NOT saying I like it...I'm saying I believe it's inevitable since the majority of music is sold electronically and simply 'LISTENED TO'. The artists that choose to perform "live" can still "fool" their audiences as pitch correction devices can be used during said concerts. Its sad, I know. For the brighter side...it COULD be a selling point for an artist performing 'truly live'. Just my thoughts.

[@butterflyb.9135]

Ich unterstütze das sie auch darüber reden möchten...ich habe aufgehört Amerikanische Mainstream Musik zu hören weil ich dort nichts spüre beim Zuhören. So künstlich, oder halb nackt wie ihre äußere Erscheinung, so erscheint mir meist ihre Musik. Sie werden viel Gegenwind erwarten können wenn sie Autotune erwähnen, die meisten Fans identifizieren sich zumeist radikal mit ihren Idolen. Ich freue mich darauf weiter von ihnen zu lernen..ich bin ehrlich, bisher ist mein Lieblingsreaktor Sir Hairles, aber ich beobachte auch 😅sie schon einige Zeit,und bin sicher das die einen Platz neben ihm finden werden. Greetings

[@TimWelchVocalStudio]

Danke. 🙏🏼

[@pohjiebarbosa]

I feel v strongly about the future of music and breaking the industry for new distribution models. They are just greedy now, not necessary like they were. Patreon was started by Pomplamoose

[@brasstacks7181]

AGREE AGREE AGREE!

[@Roamnroll]

You have the link to this video of Wings Of Pegasus?

[@luckypanda998]

Proof of this is K-pop, where everyone is not real.

[@chad_stew]

Is "pitch correction" the same thing as "autotune"? Also, it seems like, for quite a while now, some folks use this and make it obvious, as part of a genre. I don't know what you call that genre, but am I right? Also, songs like "A Bar Song" by Shaboozey sound like they're aiming for that sound intentionally as well. Am I right? I personally don't like that even though some of the songs are catchy. But folks using a particular sound that everyone knows is autotuned is better, in my mind, than the industry using it in a way that where we can't tell it's being done, and then folks that can actually sing, really sing, have the value of their natural talent knocked down. Anyway, I don't fully know what I'm talking about. I'd love for folks who do to coach me up on this topic.

[@tomwhite4736]

Autotune is just a brand name , it's a pitch correction product .Other brands are available .

[@tomwhite4736]

Be prepared for a fan backlash . They dont appreciate honesty .!!!!!

[@TimWelchVocalStudio]

Well, it is what it is. 🤷🏻‍♂️