The Mutiny at Pine Vista Country Club Explored | The Walking Dead Universe Lore

Today I take you through the mutiny at Pine Vista Country Club, a dark story told through the environment in The Walking Dead Universe.
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--Chapters--
0:00 - Intro
0:51 - Going Through the Evidence
5:20 - Piecing Together the Story
9:49 - Alternate Theories & Final Thoughts
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[@JMDcracked]

I used to work at a country club in Florida , the employees definitely did it .

[@JuntoAsnani]

The guy on the steps has a common police/security/military sweater and has a badge on his chest. He was likely supposed to watch the front door.

[@granthropologist3622]

They wouldn’t let the security guard inside.

[@KOSMOS1701A]

im sorry, i have to laugh at the single overturned golf cart just randomly placed on the grass. its like the person who made the scene was like "ok need to make it look like a country club but its in the apocalypse, oh i know lets put the golf cart on its side!"

[@UnfitDevotee]

When I was young and dumb I had crashed a golf cart, quite easily on too rough a turn. I imagine running from zombies as an old man in a golf cart, only to panic and tip over. Thus being eaten then and there for such a dumb mistake.

[@peterwong8028]

I used to work in the service industry, and i can promise you the staff would've told the nembers to f#ck off long, long before what you're describing

[@bigsmoke53]

Facts. Probably from the beginning.

[@teresarothaar6225]

@@bigsmoke53 I wonder if the staff went along in the beginning because of the chaos, and maybe because the resort was relatively "safe" at first. But then they finally got sick of all those rich effs, heh. Who knows? The rebellion may have only taken about four days to kick off...

[@cameronhermann9400]

As the only people competent in cooking and maintaining the place they wouldn’t stand for dead weight rich folks not helping

[@LandonStrauss-hc1sc]

Exactly

[@KingFluffs]

@@cameronhermann9400 If it's so bad why do they stay now?

[@sro_hartman5719]

The next place they go is interesting as well. The funeral home. With all the food still in the cabinets.

[@coreyconlon3589]

Yeah what was up with that place? The person still preparing and burying the walker bodies, that's super interesting

[@teresarothaar6225]

@@coreyconlon3589 I recall a discussion on the Talking Dead about how they had a whole backstory prepared for the funeral home, but there simply wasn't enough time to put it in the series.

[@dixieboyz1]

@@teresarothaar6225could make a decent tales episode I think

[@lastrrr4134]

@@teresarothaar6225 that's correct. It was planned out, but the backstory was cut because of time restraints. The funeral director was trying to give the walkers a dignified ending. However, he had a heart attack and died

[@teresarothaar6225]

@@lastrrr4134 THAT WAS IT. I'd forgotten the details. It would make a great Tales of TWD story.

[@gerardmcquade9102]

these are the kind of stories we needed in tales of the walking dead imagine seeing all that play out

[@Swell-Films]

Agreed 100%

[@lucretiamaggio6154]

Exactly. Not the stupid things they did put out there.

[@BeanyBeans]

I absolutely agree but I think Alpha's origin episode from tales is somehwat similar to this, if only barely.

[@gerardmcquade9102]

@@BeanyBeans that was the only good episode

[@themagnificentorange672]

Exactly bruh

[@philipcheng1618]

Theory about the guard outside the club. Maybe his job was to "shoo away" walkers during the outbreak, but was attacked and bitten based on the injury on his cheek. Flips his golf cart (seen earlier) and stumbles to the front door. The rich don't want to let him in and his pleas are making alot of noise , so he is shot in the face (sort of a bullet hole on his forehead and missing eye.) Either the guard was a friend of the staff or the rich folks only muscle that was taken out, the mutiny occurred shortly after since his body is still there where he fell.

[@mortem-tyrannis]

I can't believe none of them had a rendezvous point set up in case of such a situation were the prison became compromised and they had to ditch. I guess they didn't learn from the farm falling.

[@BubblesBulldog]

I think they did. They did at least have an evacuation plan. The bus was supposed to take the kids and elderly to a safe point. The bus never made it and multiple characters find the bus on their way. They all seem to be moving in the same general direction but some are further ahead than others. After a few days they all seem to think all the others must be dead so they decide to check out terminus

[@nicholashext474]

I have the feeling it didn't take long for the staff to revolt. All of the bodies seem to be well-dressed and groomed, suggesting not much time had passed since the outbreak, while the ferocity of attacks on them imply that there was already a lot of simmering hatred and resentment brewing under the surface well before the outbreak. Most of the staff, I imagine, would have had family and loved ones out in the world, whose safety and wellbeing was of greater concern to them than the comfort of a handful of arrogant, entitled, country-clubbers. They may have been initially enticed to stay with the assurance that this was a 'safe' place, but that enticement couldn't have outlasted the rapid diminishing of the food supplies. I wonder if the staff attempted to leave and the patrons tried to prevent them, resulting in all those resentments bursting forth at once.

[@rickgrimes5570]

The perfect example of mutiny in TWD was in Say Yes 7.12 when Rick and Michonne find military school that probably falled some time after operation Cobalt

[@sugma3475]

A video on that would be great. A lot of environmental storytelling to dig into in those scenes.

[@rickgrimes5570]

@@sugma3475 Yes, that is also my favourite envionmental storytelling in twd

[@moteroargentino7944]

Daryl smashing that bottle was just one of his many goated moments. Wether we care or not, all our first times stick with us. It was not the place or time to have her first drink.

[@Imsmellincap]

Just finished that episode last night thinking “i hope that ty dude makes a vid on this place” lmao

[@Swell-Films]

Haha glad I could deliver!

[@kingdevin_]

This theory is really good of a mutiny/civil war among the members. The possibilities are endless when it comes to stories like this because you can always come up with your own interpretations. Like I said before, season 4 came up with some good environmental stories. This makes me want to go back and watch to see what else I missed!

[@lotstodo]

I like how Beth puts on a clean country club shirt and almost immediately it's covered in dead blood. Do you remember her looking for a clean glass? Picking out bloody pieces of broken glass? I'm glad he didn't let her drink the peach schnaps. Uggg.

[@Spartan6886]

I always thought the walker on the steps to be a groundskeeper by the way he was dressed. The little detail that stuck out though was the sign on the bisected woman was nailed to her using golf tees.

[@karljohnvillarias3371]

I hope this kind of flashback stories will bring it to life to adapt to the Tales of the walking dead.

[@draggonsgate]

Thanx for this! I remember them talking about different possible scenarios on TTD, but not really ever saying this is def what went down. From the looks of the corpses, they'd been there a while, and I'm guessing the place went to $#!+ shortly after the world went to $#!+. Back in the beginning there were a few instances of folks hanging themselves to check out (I could think of a dozen better ways then that... but that's me) not realizing they'd turn. The one lady with multiple stab wounds could be she was a walker and people were trying to fight her off, not knowing she needed her melon beaned (like Tomas didn't in S3)... But yeah, Rich B***h def had some bad juju karma coming her way. Awesome breakdown! Thanx, again!

[@lastrrr4134]

Good assessment of this scene. One thing I'll add in is that for the photos of the club members (that were displayed on the walls), they used TWD crew members

[@aaronpasetti]

It’s crazy that those rich people didn’t treat the people right and tbh this scared me and I had a weird theory that it was Joe and the claimers way back then during the first week of the outbreak. Nice job on the video!

[@aaronblank2318]

I really like these vids on environmental storytelling. I remember seeing these scenes and understanding them fairly well, but the analysis is great for pointing out deeper little details and painting a clearer picture of what happened. Great job, Ty!

[@Joe-ie8vk]

The dead dude on the porch had a badge on his chest. Doesn’t look like a cop probably security he doesn’t look ripped up so probably shot. He could have been trying to stop people from not leaving but coming in. The doors were locked. I always took it as people came along looking for a place to be safe the rich wouldn’t let them in but it’s American and even us working stiffs are well armed… god bless America!!! And that’s when whatever happened took a dark turn the employees probably joined the attackers and said I’m sick of serving the wealthy. Maybe that was part of it?The people who worked there were told they could stay if they kept working and serving. And at first it may have seemed like a good deal a safe place. And as said the abuse they took got old fast and when the bullets started or whatever they joined the attackers. You would think a large building like that some people had to have gotten out? I don’t mean the rich people but staff or the attackers all the noise probably drew in the dead. I love these videos also just wanna say this is a very cool idea for content.

[@Swell-Films]

Hey thank you! And great observation I completely missed the badge.

[@kikrinman1450]

I like the headcanon another commenter gave where the Claimers are the remnants of both the outsider group and the workers who survived the mutiny. I could imagine Joe spearheading a revolt against the country club for what I'd imagine would be ideological differences. Maybe workers in the country club had to forfeit all of their property to the leadership, so when Joe comes along and stir the pot, the workers decide enough was enough and that they would "claim" what was theirs.

[@incredibleedibledez]

I love these scene breakdowns!! Great content!! Also, I have a theory on the hanging bodies:I think it might’ve been a suicide pact that might’ve happened before the mutiny began. It’s extremely hard to hang someone who doesn’t want to be hanged which would indicate to me they willingly hung themselves. Also, I think they all hung themselves at the same time because why would someone go hang themselves right next to a brutal display of the results of That? & The reason I think it happened BEFORE the mutiny is that acquiring the rope, tying the noose etc is time consuming, something you’re not necessarily going to have time for when there’s a slaughter occurring in the next room.

[@Swell-Films]

Great observation! I think it’s entirely possible. Especially with the dead outside, they wouldn’t have anywhere else to go.

[@incredibleedibledez]

@@Swell-Films it’s a very humanizing scene. Like all these people that had money and a sense of privilege and were so hopeless they hung themselves. In the old world they had it all but when the apocalypse is beating down your door what did all that wealth, power and privilege get you?!

[@rdvangogh]

Awesome series of videos, I can’t thank you enough for diving in to the background stories that keep me up at night 😊

[@WilliamAfton524]

My theory is that some of the members ended up becoming part of the wolves with how brutal their attacks were on the rich it would fit what the wolves are.

[@emiliabenavidez2190]

These videos are awesome. You should do the walker/lady in the trunk.

[@Y10HK29]

Man i really enjoy this series of environmental story telling. Hope you continue it

[@BadLuckLuke]

Keep it up, best TWD related clips in a looong time!!! Really enjoying these even though they're mostly tragic & dark...

[@Swell-Films]

Hey thanks so much :)

[@rich925cal1]

bro I’m loving these environmental breakdowns 👍

[@littleskeleton2899]

damn i remember recommending this video idea on the "liar" video, glad you delivered!

[@Swell-Films]

Thanks for watching!

[@Huntermiller881]

Thanks man cuz I couldn't find any other people doing this

[@jackleith3502]

Been watching this channel for a little while now and it’s quite good, but your environmental storytelling series is the absolute bomb!

[@BeanyBeans]

Hey I just want to say I love your videos. You make simple and comprehensible videos about a universe of shows and spinoffs that's been made so unnecessarily confusing. I watch your walking dead videos all the time and I hadn't even noticed. Just wanted to show some appreciation for your work. Keep it up!

[@Swell-Films]

Hey thanks so much for the kind words I really appreciate it! :)

[@jmsgridiron5628]

Daryl a real one for wanting Beth to have a nice drink for her first one. Peach Schnapps is not it. Gotta find her some Knob Creek or Double Oak Jim Beam. Nice smooth bourbon that doesn't give you a shitty buzz.

[@thiagoaurelio5761]

I stumbled upon this channel today's morning and your videos are great! Getting some popcorn ready to binge watch your stuff.

[@Swell-Films]

Haha thanks for watching mate!

[@thiagoaurelio5761]

@@Swell-Films You're welcome!

[@orlac7229]

i always assumed what happened here and the bodies the governor saw a few episodes prior may have been linked. because they both had included bodies with signs nailed to their chests. i can’t really think of a cohesive link between the two though

[@nellz72]

I just discovered your channel, and I have to say that you do a really phenomenal job on these environmental lore breakdowns! I look forward to watching more from your channel.

[@Swell-Films]

Hey thanks so much!

[@gokublack072]

i’m loving these kinds of videos man need more

[@selalewow]

I doubt the staff would have been outnumbered, these places usually have a large staff to keep up with the work. It was probably just being numb and a desire for normalcy that kept staff going until they ran out of food. At that point the staff might have rebelled when the members made them go out and search for supplies. It could have been the dead guy on the front steps that was the last straw, coming back from a supply run or begging to be let back in when sent out and he saw walkers.

[@WohnTohn]

These videos are amazing keep these going!!!

[@ashleyware82]

I love this location!! Great environmental story telling!! 👌🏾

[@dielel9268]

Keep it up with those, great work ✔️

[@riccardoromano6619]

Thx! Pls make more of these videos!❤❤❤

[@alanluscombe8a553]

Please keep doing these types of videos they are awesome

[@LandonStrauss-hc1sc]

Why would social structure matter at all, fat old rich people vs young fit staff?

[@dreambotter6389]

This was the first one that caught my eye. Really made TWD stand out from other shows. Great video keep it up

[@sapperdaddy3035]

The flipside of this coin as well, having worked in the service industry, and then now having been apart of two different country clubs. If members ever treated staff like this other members would have a serious issue with it. No matter where you go there’s always a bad apple, but I have yet to experience anything related to this short of a one time golf trip to a country club in LA

[@peachbunnys01]

Would love if they did some tales or small comics about these different locations I love the story telling

[@Mangoboi699]

Yes! You are the man! You have managed to scratch my itch!! Beth is such a sweetheart.

[@dison1172]

Love the environmental story vids ❤❤❤

[@Mskittenlover12]

I'd like to see a video on the walker who had that name necklace on. I forgot her name. She was in one of the earlier seasons before Alexandria. Maybe on the road to Terminus? There was a sign a bit up the road that seemed to be from someone in a group she was in telling her where to go. I've always wanted to see a "Tales" episode on her. But I doubt that will ever happen.

[@peachbunnys01]

I’ve always wanted to know what went down at these different locations and never saw anyone be as interested I was. This is such a cool video

[@Trump-or-Die]

It couldn't have happened to a more deserving group of ppl.

[@johncap6495]

You what your doing here would been such a great way for them to make tales from the walking dead

[@JR-gh8lp]

The corpse on stairs looks like a guard

[@Djbetterjusthavingfun]

I just found your channel. I like these “exploration” videos

[@Swell-Films]

Hey thanks for watching!

[@lawofanubis2996]

The guard was killed by a gunshot, he wasn't trying to get in or out. It was a surprise attack, likely family of the staff attacking from the outside while the staff attacked from inside. They ate and drank the supplies away then left.

[@aprilbennett4161]

The one on the steps looks too fresh and undisturbed to have occurred at the same time as the ones indoors, to me. Those inside are mostly dried out and advanced, but the one on the porch is very, uh, hydrated and untouched by wildlife. The eyes of that one are also visibly moist and cloudy, a signifier of something far more recent. This episode takes place over a year into the apocalypse, so I find it hard to believe that it could just sit outside in that state for so long.

[@user-ni1gq9hg5d]

I didn't know all this,,,,ive subbed,,,interesting stuff,,,especially to someone who quit the show after season 1.

[@mikaross4671]

One of my favorite episodes personally. I always loved the way the earlier seasons showed a lot of stories through their sets.

[@GraveyardMaiden]

So this is what i think happened clubbers and staff locked themselves in the club when shit hit the fan. While they were boardered up the clubbers grew more and more abusive and volatile towards the staff as the days go on. The staff hold their tongues and pray for it to be over for normal to return bc the military can handle this... Right? So days go on and on the supplies are now next to nothing, so the clubbers entitled and spoiled decided to send out the security gaurd to get supplies, alone. They force him out and lock the doors ... He heads out but of course the gaurd gets ambushed by walkers before he could get far and runs back to the clubhouse as a hoard follows. He bangs on the door begging to be let in but the rich leaders refuse to let him in without food. The walkers get closer he fired what he can, leaving only the last bullet for himself sparing him from being eaten alive. This was the last straw ...

[@Carlin2810]

I noped out when they killed Beth,there was no need they should have sent her & Daryl off on a journey but instead they killed her off & I checked out. I really liked Beth she was one of if not my favorite character.

[@lastnightslipstick]

swell that settles it, today's tee time cancelled ha ha! Excellent Video BTW, Love these on Saturday Mornings🙌💎❤

[@rentherengend1306]

A retail workers dream

[@SnEaKyGiTau]

I wonder if the same thing occurred for the woman Clara that Rick bumps into that was shacked up in an airport?

[@Jay-eu8uc]

Excellent Ty Swell For Prez

[@onlyalisaawilliams]

Another excellent interpretation,, I think it’s spot on.. 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@FaithAndRepentance]

I love these videos

[@springa1930]

I hope you ll do the community in archeron. ❤ Great vidéos

[@jordanwhite352]

See this has always been my favorite thing about apocalypse movies and in particular zombie apocalypse movies which got started by the trend of George Romero which is seeing society through a lens mainly breaking apart from people transitioning into this new world. Who copes with it? Who doesn't? And what does the new world say a lot about the old world. And it's background stories like these that always make me smile.

[@jamericdalley658]

This was very educational ;)

[@chrisoliver4821]

Ur videos scratch an itch in my brain

[@wickedflagon]

"Still" is my all-time favorite episode of TWD!

[@jeffreyblock16]

This place really reminded me of fallout with the skeletons and new/clean clothes and backstory to discover. Just missing a robot or terminal for clues

[@Swell-Films]

Replaying new Vegas actually inspired me to look for these kinds of stories in twd lol

[@LK-sx5ln]

Ur doing god work mate

[@jordanwhite352]

Also, sometimes I wonder if some of these background stories would have become characters who would see later. For example, I always was curious about like in the first couple of seasons we would hear stories about camps getting wiped out due to brutal trade systems and biker like people who are absolutely ruthless. And because I also read the comics at the time, my thought was always ooh they're building up to the Saviors. Like I never thought all these examples were saviors but that these were the people that would later join such a community and I wish they kind of developed that more but I liked what we got.

[@sikozen]

The guy outside the front door looks like the guy in the upper right corner of that plaque w/ the owner's/member's pictures.

[@dusty2774]

why haven't the country club patrons transitioned to walkers? strange if you ask me!

[@jmsgridiron5628]

Maybe they were aware of needing to destroy the brain? They could've easily seen someone commit suicide or die without being bitten, come back anyway.

[@h.w.4482]

the fact that there was time to set up tents, drink all the liquor and kill all the rich people it was a while after the outbreak so they probably did know how to keep them down

[@andresalanis2663]

Hey man you should make more videos of the walking dead comic books because there really underrated

[@GenesisBoi]

Whats worrying me is the one with the half mannequin body. Why is her shirt undone? Was it caused when her body was cut? If so why did they cut it? Or: if they violated her why did they go further beyond to cut her in half?

[@ascrein5247]

As for the golf staff... I reckon they likely already died. It is an apocalypse so it is very likely they did not survive after escaping the golf club. One way to describe it is they failed to adapt to the situation and as such failed to survive. The makers of the show, to highlight the apocalypse, sure worked hard to use environmental story telling to their advantage.

[@estrellaescobar5723]

There's also the possibility of a suicide pact. I don't think the staff waited that long to do a mutiny. More likely they turned against the members early on, targeting specific nasty individuals and then leaving with all the food they could get. The surviving members, seeing that all their family/friends were dead and they had no food left or an idea of how to survive, decided to k1ll themselves.

[@AJadedLizard]

5:12 That wording seems familiar. Have you talked about this before?

[@BlackGhostMan]

Any chance you can cover the Judas walker?

[@LostWaster]

Tbh I would of instantly just left them to rot at the start of the outbreak I hate when people try to order me around and I hate snobs

[@joseescobedo7899]

My only question is the story behind the club was classist why was the staff still there in the first place like did they just show up to work or something the day the outbreak started

[@alanluscombe8a553]

People should sub to this guy so he can do more of these videos

[@austinb2177]

That’s 100% what happened

[@kikidevine694]

It's lipstick on the rims of the glasses, not blood.

[@amydearing9866]

I do not remember this episode at all & I watched the show until they met Negan.

[@AlisterBlack452]

I miss Beth!!! 😭

[@teresarothaar6225]

I'm on the staff's side here.

[@jacefaulk8792]

what is the story with the walker at 8:20?

[@user-ki2cx4kr9i]

Ty swell can you cover what happened at the bar

[@Swell-Films]

Which bar scene are you referring to?

[@jennifermcgrath4582]

Well deserved ending for the greedy rich. Good for them

[@IceQueen3253]

What did they mean by "welcome to the dogtrot"?

[@kellywilson8400]

This is genuinely my favorite thing about apocalypse movies and tv, we need way more of this and less thematic storytelling that just turns into lame cliches

[@momomo768]

Don’t knock peach schnapps they are delicious

[@manofaction1807]

When did this happen, what episodes? Never seen this before.

[@Swell-Films]

This was season 4 episode 12

[@AuroSya]

I think it wouldn't have taken long before the staff rose up. As others say, if given the chance, service workers would have told the guests to fuck right off. I think they probably killed/tortured the rich guests and then took whatever food was left.

[@jackashmore]

I don’t think the rich ate up all the recourses, I think the poor overthrown them then devoured the rest including the alcohol, leaving them vulnerable to the walkers