The Mysterious 1965 Death of Dorothy Kilgallen w/ Mark Shaw - A True Crime History Podcast

My guest is former criminal defense attorney Mark Shaw, author of "The Reporter Who Knew Too Much: The Mysterious Death of What’s My Line TV Star and Media Icon Dorothy Kilgallen". He talks about the life of Pulitzer nominated reporter and television star Dorothy Kilgallen, who was on the brink of breaking open the real story of John Kennedy's assassination before her mysterious and suspicious death abruptly ended her investigation.
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[@EdParnell]

Mark Shaw is one of the most diligent and straightforward blokes working in this sort of area. His work deserves more exposure.

[@haroldcline9884]

Zee fds

[@gina.1]

Agree.

[@phillipstroll7385]

The mafia did NOT have the power nor the intelligence to commit these murders. The mafia only killed each other. They were hated by the government because they were competition for the government. The cia killed these people. They wanted the Kennedys out because the Kennedys were going to dissolve the cia. Frame RFK implicate the mob and the cia gets rid of all birds with one stone. The cia had control of Oswald. Not the mob. The cia was also being funded, in part, by the mob. It's extremely easy to kill someone and get away with it, And the more police think they know the easier it is. The mob doesn't even exist anymore so why would people still be afraid to talk? But the cia could easily drop liquid nicotine in a glass and kill a person. And what killed Dorothy was high levels of nicotine. Not pills.

[@gina.1]

@@phillipstroll7385 Write your own book and substantiate your claims with proof.

[@phillipstroll7385]

@@gina.1 why bother? It won't change a damn thing. The people aren't brave enough to force change. Even now , science proves masks do not prevent the spread of viruses and yet people aren't aren't even brave enough to stand up and say no. I'm not going through life wilfully ignorant. Even to the point of taking good or of their own children's mouths. If we can't even do that what makes you think writing a book does abutting but benefit the author.

[@TheWriterWalker]

Excellent work, Mark Shaw, for uncovering Dorothy Kilgallen's story. She deserves the insightful and careful probing that she gave to others.

[@sidDkid87]

*you might want to reword your comment* 😉

[@TheWriterWalker]

@@sidDkid87 , oo! Never thought of it that way.

[@sidDkid87]

@@TheWriterWalker I'm a sick man 😬

[@TheWriterWalker]

@@sidDkid87, ha-ha. I see that! Lol.

[@kermitkelly8833]

The government OWES the people of this country the truth no matter how ugly it is. I have been behind you Mark for a very long time . Keep plugging away sir 👍

[@maryannemelenka9250]

Yeah. People can handle the truth. Government always and still is corrupt people know that already. Truth won’t change anything, everybody dead anyway

[@docsmithdc]

The truth cannot be told without admitting that this so called democracy is really an ongoing farce precipitated by a bloody coup d' tat wherein we saw John Kennedy get his head blown off right in front of us by a cartel of US businessmen and corrupt right wing fascist politicians.

[@youtuber5305]

"What has the gov't been hiding?....": kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqS5fZ5tos2me7c

[@TheWriterWalker]

Someone needs to create a sincere and fact-based movie about this fantastic woman.

[@davidfitzgerald4683]

Its will never happen..Its a political hot potatoe. They will put out all the stops.

[@mijraachieng8034]

like the one Oliver Stone did, was NOT done?

[@davidfitzgerald4683]

@@mijraachieng8034 Who out there now in this political climate has the balls to do it? Oliver stone is old school. The movie was made in 91 and all that movie did was gave you the different theories bar the mafia which is retarded when we concider ruby was a known mobster who worked directly for carlos marcello. A movie about dorethy would be different.

[@mijraachieng8034]

I'd be surprised. I think that many are sick of the current political climate and would do it just to push their freedom of speech right as push back. It might have to be an independent film project but I think it is possible if the right person reads the book.

[@davidfitzgerald4683]

@@mijraachieng8034 Poeple are sick but nobody will do nothing because nobody believes in anything anymore and lack the courage and convition to do so. Also they have tenticals so far into the media now That they can destroy a person.

[@TalairanPerigord]

I've always hated Frank Sinatra, and every time I learn something new about him, it only reinforces that my opinion of him as a douchebag and bully is correct.

[@EYE_GOTCHA]

Sinatra really was a douchebag. He did a lot of nice things for many people, but the good deeds that he did certainly didn’t cancel out the horrible things that he did to so many others.

[@sarahholland2600]

The reason the Kennedys dropped Sinatra was his mafia connections & the indiscreet , drug fuelled beach house parties where he & actor Peter Lawford ( brother in law to the Kennedys) pimped actresses to both the married Kennedy brothers. LAPD had turned a blind eye but been called out by neighbours for noise complaints & also 'incidents' at those parties: & it was decided Sinatra was too risky a friend to keep around.

[@apointofinterest8574]

@Anne Harwood: Frank could take it on the chin, as opposed to Kilgallen who couldn't take it and had no chin.

[@Fleety15]

@@apointofinterest8574neither does he anymore.

[@apointofinterest8574]

@@Fleety15 Frank's reputation can take it.

[@davidpallin772]

Dorthy Kilgallen was a well respected reporter and journalist. She was onto something that made certain “factions” in this country very nervous.

[@a.jlondon9947]

Excellent interview. My mother always asserted that Dorothy was murdered.

[@apointofinterest8574]

@A.J Your mother trafficked in one line unproven assertions?

[@randyharris3175]

Too much alcohol and pills sorry.

[@themajesticmagnificent8561]

How could a lady this clever and known be so forgotten.?.

[@LKre-vi5oq]

Partly due to the lies at the time of her death that she was essentially, an over-emotional, pill popping junkie. She was none of those things. She did drink, but generally controlled her intake. She was hard -headed and not prone to emotional behaviors unless threatened. A woman defending herself against baseless verbal attacks is not being "emotional".

[@jenniferswieboda5696]

What a great interview. I am just learning about Dorothy . Amazing Lady

[@shamanisis9601]

She was an idol of mine growing up. Reruns on all night classic tv and film. She was an incredibly intelligent women who let her love...maybe?, crush or simple friendship with JFK (and her drive) blind her to the fact that the ultimate evil was going to happen to her. She was in the heat of battle and caught up in the momentum, the thrill of being the women who broke the story of the ages. I would love to have tea with her.

[@esthersalyers7472]

INTEGRITY…this a principle that has been lost at so many levels over the years in every profession. What has happened to our great country? It saddens me to no end. Excellent job Mr Shaw, you’ve brought much needed attention the mystery of what happened to Ms. Kilgallen. Something must be done in resolving her murder. I look forward to reading your book.

[@marksorenson5871]

Watched her every Sunday night on What’s My Line? She was the brightest of the bunch which is saying a lot. She had the goods on the JFK assassination and the Mafia/CIA shut her up permanently. A tragedy

[@GOOCHIElicker]

How do you know about that show young man?

[@patcurrie9888]

@@GOOCHIElicker It's on KZbin, restored and commercials edited out and in chronological order. I've seen them all.

[@IanP1963]

Just bought it in UK and hoping to read it soon....Mark is a real life Sherlock !!!

[@mijraachieng8034]

it would've been difficult back then, but she should've had back up notes. And if she was afraid for her life , I wish she had had better security. People around her. Being in safe places watching that she didn't eat or drink where her food or drink could be adultrated

[@patrooney2283]

Very interesting!! She really was quite a gal!!! Im really interested in reading these books now.

[@cecelialynch3820]

I remember seeing Ms. Kilgalon on TV when I was a kid. She was sharp.

[@dustyrustymusty3577]

On What's My Line?

[@georgestrum3478]

I am in the process of writing a play about her now.

[@IanP1963]

Wow

[@VBN59Z]

George Strum good luck with that

[@kathrynfauble9053]

@George Strum If the budget for your stage production is a lot lower than the budget of a movie or premium cable TV presentation, then your script does not require a third-act payoff. If this is the case for you, Mr. Strum, then you can fictionalize Dorothy’s dangerous secret. Another aspiring playwright, Eric Paddon, already has fictionalized her secret. Google his name and you find what he did. Neither Mr. Paddon nor Mr. Strum has a lot of money to work with.

[@frederickcombs8661]

I think the centerpiece to the story would be that of a woman who wasn't pretty, but wished she was and tried realy hard through her work, to be attractive.

[@patcurrie9888]

@@frederickcombs8661 Sitting close to the beautiful Arlene Francis who had a happy marriage, must of miff Dorothy, nall while Frank Sinatra was exclaiming, "Dorothy Killgallen is the chinless wonder."

[@osvaldoschilling9129]

I did not read the book but after several videos I started wondering about the night of Kilgallen´s death. Bringing her back home of course would put anyonelse accompanying her under the threat of meeting the butler, or her husband or other people at her home, and having to explain about her state. Therefore if she were already incapacitated due to the drugs they would not bring her home. Unless they knew they would have help from inside the house! This immediately puts her husband as part of the plot, which makes sense since he might give them directions on which room to use to leave her body, and he would leave some cloths there for the set up. He would also give orders to the butler to stay clear from the house that evening. Otherwise, if indeed she had already reached some comatose state and the husband was not involved, one gets amazed with the coldness ( and recklessness) of a man carrying an almost dead woman in his arms in a completely unknown house, looking for the best room to lay her dying body and to fake some scene, and running the risk of being caught at any time. Common sense indicates someone in the house was part of the plot.

[@Ckom-Tunes]

No, common sense indicates she died from a simple drug and alcohol overdose. Every other suggestion defies common sense!

[@angelitafortner314]

Thank you Erik, I enjoy all your podcasts!!

[@randocalrissian347]

I am so sad I never even heard of her until listening to this. Since I’ve been obsessed with his website, watching interviews and learning more. I hope her will was changed, saw her son Kerry was disowned and put into foster care which is disgusting! Ugh, a man that would do that I don’t put anything past him!

[@beezee6983]

Mae Brussels researched this as well. She, along with Dorothy, didn’t believe the warren commission either. Her research is IMPECCABLE. Can find her on KZbin.

[@dianeparr2483]

Gonna check ✔️ that out😀

[@claraedouwesdekker6389]

Most fascinating. Thank you for sharing!

[@gallowsradio]

I have known of her before KZbin... Finally she gets some exposure...

[@joannescholes3742]

DOROTHY WAS AN AWESOME. .... KIND ....SMART WOMAN. LOVED WML.... R.I.P. DOROTHY R.I.P. FOREVER MISSED 😢🙏 FOREVER LOVED ❤️

[@mattstevens7601]

I would love to see a documentary about her.

[@ivettek3190]

me too

[@dougstyles]

All her notes and files 'disappeared ' suddenly. The government is so full of sh×t

[@ivettek3190]

I agree Doug

[@cindynj]

marilyn denied justice in 1962- aug 4-5. hurt her reputation 4ever.

[@Bpl541]

She has affected me as well. I saw her on an old episode of What's My Line and thought she had a lovely face. I looked up who she was and since then have been reading everything I can about her. There was something very special in her persona and nature I believe.

[@gaylemc2692]

I watched her in my earlier years. She was so smart, music questions to ask and usually was the one to make an educated guess. Quite a woman.

[@artishunter2579]

I agree. Her story needs to be told. She is a piece of the puzzle of what really happened in this Kennedy mess. Its a shame that these women who actually does there job, is dying for it. Its time to give these women the attention they deserve.

[@jamesfox2579]

Poor, Dorothy. 💔😢🥀🥀🥀

[@joniangelsrreal6262]

👏👏 wonderful narration

[@SrSacaninha]

Seems like this is the real deal. I wonder who is afraid until this day.

[@merricat3025]

Probably almost all of them are dead now. This was over 50 years ago.

[@kathrynfauble9053]

@Merri Cat Dead or not, many first-responders at Dorothy Kilgallen’s death scene were video-recorded or audio-recorded talking about what they witnessed. People who met her when she was alive also have been recorded sharing what they know about her case. The recordings live on regardless of who is dead or who is alive. For example, in 1992 Ron Pataky was recorded talking about Dorothy. He is alive. Ron lives in Ohio in a community for low-income senior citizens.

[@anonymousdude9099]

Her children. They know dear old dad did it and don't want anyone looking into it.

[@ivettek3190]

Dorothy Killgallen's family is very afraid. when Mark Shaw reached out to them they didn't want anything to do with the investigation of their mother's death

[@patcurrie9888]

@@ivettek3190 That's too bad. Back up to something light like their Mom never slept in that guest room, would be handy.

[@cynthia7445]

Unfortunately for the rich, the famous and the celebrity, justice can be just as elusive as for the poor. I read this book and my mind was boggled by all the clues yet nothing was done. Perhaps she did know too much, but she told too many people and that sealed her fate.

[@aaronz7056]

Twelve reasons Dorothy Kilgallen was not murdered: (A) Jack Ruby could have come forward and revealed anything he wanted during his public trial. (B) Dorothy Kilgallen had just one talk with him, and it was part of what was going to be just one chapter of a much larger book about other criminal cases she had covered which she wasn't planning on publishing for months, hardly an urgent expose. (C) She didn't die until twenty months after talking to Ruby. (D) Her trademark boasting aside, she never spilled any secrets about any plot she had uncovered in any of her regular news columns. (E) If she possessed any info she felt might be at all dangerous to her, she never displayed any sign of it, still happily appearing on her regular gig on What's My Line. (F) What exactly, could that fruitcake have possibly told her that would make it necessary to "eliminate" her? (G) Neither Ruby or his attorneys were ever murdered themselves. (H) Kilgallen was hardly less high-profile a person than JFK himself. Bumping her off would attract headlines, publicity and scrutiny, the last things a conspiracy would want. (I) In order to cover up her death, this sinister hit squad would have to safely approach, without fear of exposure or arrest, and successfully recruit the right people - and only the right people - on the New York Police Department to falsify evidence and become accessories to the murder of a woman with a husband and children. No cop has ever cracked, confessed, been fingered by any cohort or been discovered and prosecuted in this case for 57 years. (J) The idea of goons sneaking into her home while her family was there and forcing pills down her throat, committing another murder requiring its own, separate cover-up, is laughable. (K) The HSCA also looked at her death and found no sign of foul play. (L) Strangely, this gang of villains that had to "silence" her never got around to killing any witness in or near the limo, the motorcade, the plaza, the knoll, the TSBD, at Tippit's killing scene, the theater, on the medical staffs of Parkland or Bethesda Hospital, any of Oswald's family, Jim Garrison or any of his stooges,or any of those crackpot conspiracy authors who spent years and years crowing loud and long about how they were going to blow the case wide open....

[@artistbrindle]

Dorothy’s story should be pushed into the spotlight by some type of Netflix miniseries. The People vs OJ Simpson comes to mind, with the title role played by Sarah Paulson. It introduced a whole new group of people to the case and to Marcia Clark! Actually, Sarah would make an amazing Dorothy

[@randyharris3175]

It would be based on supposition.

[@jamestakacs]

Mark Shaw is a terrific writer and person. Lucille Ball was on "What's my Line" a couple of times. Imagine the rest of the panelists the host and everyone else involved. Right in front of them they had to the biggest icons in America. Lucille Ball in entertainment and Dorothy Kilgallen in reporting. Lucy was the biggest star we ever had here and as Ernest Hemingway said, Dorothy was the best reporter we had at the time. I think still today over 50 years after her murder.

[@sheryldalton8965]

Belli's co counsel in Jack Ruby's trial was a prominent attorney from Jasper, Texas, near where my family is from. I was actually born there, many years ago haha, but never lived there. The attorney's name was Joe Tonahill, he passed away several years ago. LBJ had many wealthy powerful friends in Jasper. I've always thought it quite a 'coincidence' that Tonahill, a small town lawyer, was one of Ruby's attorneys.......?

[@eleganceinbadtaste]

with all respect, just because someone dies from a "drug overdose" does not they were abusing drugs. many accidental deaths related to non-illegal drugs-i.e prescription drugs, are due to multiple compounds mixings with fatal side effects. one does not have to "abuse" barbiturates for it to have a toxic combination with alcohol. or even abuse alcohol for that matter-it depends on dosage and the body's process in digesting said chemicals. I'm not saying there wasn't anything shady going on, but to represent that all accidental overdoses are due to people chugging a bottle of Xanax in one hand and a bottle of vodka in the other is just false. good people die every day because they do not realize the potential severity of side effects involved or the half life of a substance in your own, personal system.

[@kathrynfauble9053]

@eleganceinbadtaste You are right about people who abuse pharmaceutical medicine dying frequently, and they need not have booze in one hand and a plastic pill bottle in the other. You are ignoring two facts. First, very few of those pharmaceutical death scenes are staged. Second, Dorothy Kilgallen’s death scene indeed was staged. Several people lived on various floors of the Manhattan townhouse that Dorothy’s career in journalism paid for. These people included (at the time she died) the butler and cook, who were married, and their daughter Brenda, still alive. (She lives in an apartment on Manhattan’s West 95th Street.) The bed on the third floor of the townhouse wasn’t Dorothy’s bed. She slept on the fifth floor. Her husband slept on the fourth floor. She slept alone. The marriage of Dorothy Kilgallen and Richard Kollmar was a marriage of convenience. Dorothy’s body was found on the third floor in a bed that wasn’t her bed.

[@apointofinterest8574]

@@kathrynfauble9053 No evidence of a break-in, no noise (forced ingestion) heard by anyone; and no evidence of foul play. "Staging" is a tendentious interpretation; really "confirmation bias" -the tendency to favor only information that confirms or strengthens pre-determined beliefs. It's faulty logic to say that 1) Very few pharmaceutical death scenes are staged, therefore 2) Dorothy's death scene was staged. That kind of logic always leads directly, to the wrong answer.

[@joelucia6873]

bullshit

[@apointofinterest8574]

@@joelucia6873 BS? Then prove a break-in, prove violence, prove any foul play. Still waiting, after 56 years.

[@joelucia6873]

you dont know shie either read it will do you good

[@Pillowbiter84]

More please about Dorothy Killgallen.

[@snakesupreme]

Trump was supposed to release the missing jfk files but even HE wasn’t crazy enough to try that..

[@lynnhauenstein4136]

Yeah, that was spooky, he backed down, not his style. He lived thru FBI threats, must have worse than that. Worse than GRU poisoning. So threats are one thing, the likely hood of happening another or made him believe example l like to Barron or Trump Grandkids. Then knowing protection he had was for looks.

[@philwright2480]

Try that again in English

[@scottranney5891]

Real investigation reporter Today we have just liars

[@DD-bn2mx]

Ruby was ordered by the mob to silence Oswald. If he didn't they would kill him anyway.

[@merricat3025]

I could believe that

[@gumgumdookuin7963]

I can see why. Don't want Oswald to be questioned by the government.

[@a.jlondon9947]

Mark Shaw's book is Fantastic!

[@Ckom-Tunes]

As a total work of fiction!

[@beckyfikes5452]

Very good listening

[@dustyrustymusty3577]

I remember her on Ed Murrow's show Person to Person.

[@kingsalsa4789]

28:35 through 28:48... Think about that. That she was the only voice of opposition to The Warren Report and/or the "official" version of related events. Hell of a slap in the face to Mark Lane, Penn Jones jr., and other greats that were in the mix before Mrs. Kilgallen showed up on the scene and were still there decades after her passing. She deserves all her accolades, but one must be real careful with the facts.

[@joelucia6873]

did you kmow that john daly was related to someone on the warren report he was host of whats my line weird stiff ehh

[@joelucia6873]

very smart my friend

[@youtuber5305]

@@joelucia6873 If you ever thought that the "single-bullet theory" proposed by the Warren Commission was illogical, the Commission was headed by a man who would have thought that it was logical to believe that a person without a police record would be more likely to commit a crime in the future than a person with a police record. According to the Wikipedia article on Earl Warren: - Warren further argued that the complete lack of disloyal acts among Japanese Americans in California to date indicated that they intended to commit such acts in the future. Earl Warren's daughter was accused of being John Daly's mistress before Daly divorced his wife and married her.

[@NancySanders-om4ic]

​@@joelucia6873His second wife,was the daughter of Justice Earl Warren.

[@NOC1TIME]

Among the most if not the most pressing question relative to this story. What did Jack Ruby tell her. What was in those notes confiscated. We are pretty clear that she was murdered. But. Over what. What did Jack Ruby tell her. She was smart enough to hedge her bets. And make sure the information got out. She was concerned with what she was doing. Someone knew what Jack Ruby told her.

[@andrewking4885]

Some arsehole used to hangout with her in journalism circles and told others what Dorothy was writing.

[@andrewking4885]

@@NOC1TIME Thanks for the response. I've had death threats myself over certain situations and believe me don't go public with any top secret information. I did not do that. I was driving taxis at time and picked up these drunk politicians and one of them said to turn back because they forgot their paperwork. So I kept driving.

[@Angelique2716]

She was a fascinating woman. Intelligent and a great news person

[@flhxri]

Fascinating

[@Concetta20]

I did not know she died in ‘65! I just knew of her from watching a ton of “What’s My Line”.

[@davidbouffard522]

The idea that Sinatra is a "suspect" is beyond preposterous.

[@williamshelton4150]

Sinatra hated her, and called her "the chinless wonder".

[@kathrynfauble9053]

@David Bouffard I agree. As a singer, he had to spend most of his time planning musical arrangements and recording sessions, not planning a murder.

[@scottgilbert4827]

Nowhere in this podcast does anyone say that Frank Sinatra was a suspect in her death. 😂😂😂

[@henryottis295]

Wrong. He had ties with the mob. Bigtime.

[@ivettek3190]

@@henryottis295 Sinatra may have known people in the mob but I don't think that he would be stupid enough to put himself in a situation where he can be implicted in DK's death

[@hcombs0104]

If Dorothy were alive today, she’d probably have her own podcast, right up there with Joe Rogan and Megyn Kelly. She would have a field day with today’s politics.

[@georgetreepwood1119]

Hover was blackmail-able - in the extremeis One phone call and his career as the world's G-man would be over ...In those days, he would go from G-man to She-man...and a laughing stock...

[@mijraachieng8034]

What a stupid trans-phobic comment. Hoovers motives for assuring that Oswald was seen as the sole gunman had nothing to do with his sexuality or gender identity. Your bigotry adds nothing to the discussion.

[@christinetheresa7416]

Mijra Achieng Only a fully brainwashed, minimally intelligent, person, could think that transgender anything is normal. That fluoride the elites have pumped into our water, and through it to every product that contains water, has really done it's job of dumbing down many people. If one is born with a penis and testes, that's called male. You can't change that by thinking woman thoughts. If one is born with a vagina and uterus, that's called female. You can't change that by thinking "male" thoughts. You CANNOT CHANGE THAT FACT. All you mindless clowns who buy into that transgender lie need to accept reality.

[@theofulk5636]

ALL NSA INFO GOES STRAIGHT TO TEL AVIV

[@Cherrysmith2809]

No, Hoover was bullet-proof because he spied on everyone to get compromising info to use as blackmail. He recorded MLKs, JFKs and Bobby’s extramarital sexual encounters, for instance. You can’t blackmail a master blackmailer.

[@chavak3497]

What is that piano music intro ????? Love it

[@IanP1963]

I am amazed her WML colleagues did nothing to find anything out !!!

[@t5o7m]

None of them were willing to press the issue and then end up as "suicides" too

[@nancyayers6355]

IAN PAYNE I'm not surprised. The other lady panelist, Arlene Dahl, was a socialite. Bennett Cerf published books. They wouldn't have a lot of motivation to delve into the dark and mysterious. John Daly hated her, and his wife was the daughter of Chief Justice Earl Warren, the man who white-washed the Kennedy assasination.

[@kathrynfauble9053]

@Nancy Ayers You are correct except when you indicate that Dorothy’s fellow panelist was Arlene Dahl. She was Arlene Francis.

[@artistbrindle]

Great podcast! I’m wondering if her hairdresser/friend Mark Sinclair is still alive? He seemed to really care for her.

[@tporchia7751]

I desperately want Mark Shaw's books on Dorothy, but I'm too broke to buy them.

[@ivyc3500]

Go to a library.

[@remorselesscuckslayerii8276]

You gotta love the Keystone Kops music.

[@carolynandrade2648]

excellent

[@joelucia6873]

she was killed by forces who didnt want to be known

[@molly-blue7822]

Maybe they should check Trymps bathroom for Dorothy's documents? 🤔

[@foofy3406]

thanks for this. can’t believe i’ve never heard of her! and i’m an avid true crime and jfk reader

[@scottgilbert4827]

Carlos is said to have told an associate if you want to kill a dog you don't cut off his tail you cut off its head

[@augustwolf5595]

Born in 1960, I have vague memories of watching “What’s My Line” with my Mother while Father was working the night shift. I remember Arlene Francis more than Dorothy Kilgallen though no fault of her own. Fast forward to the 2010’s when I discovered a KZbin video which covered her mysterious death (something I was unaware of).

[@michaelcait2935]

Dorothy solved the mystery of the JFK assassination conspiracy within 2 years of it happening through her dogget pursuit of the evidence and a. Private interview of Jack Ruby which nobody else in the TV media got. Powerful forces in the mafia

[@michaelcait2935]

The American government silenced her to prevent the truth from coming out

[@thomasparrish429]

If you have integrity nothing else matters, if you don't have integrity, nothing else matters! Dorthey k

[@dustyrustymusty3577]

Oprah was not even close to Dorothy.

[@sidDkid87]

Did Oliver Stone gloss over or omit Dorothy's part in this story in his film *JFK* ???

[@robertwoods3750]

lots of people don't realize that the Zapruder film wasn't seen for over a yr. by anybody but the c.i.a. , the only real thing to see in that after they got thru editing was the head shot , the rest of the tape was skillfully cut to enhance their narrative .kilgallen was a very insightful person who could generally get to the heart of the matter fairly quickly .

[@patricknunez8884]

Your intro is long.

[@sarahholland2600]

Fascinating. But 2 different types of bullets were found after Kennedys murder. One was of a type that explodes , to cause more damage, rather than remaining intact. At that time, that type of bullet was only issued to & used by his own protection officers. And the trajectory matches an accidental shot from the protection officer in the car behind who didn't normally do protection. He was a driver sually, but was covering for a hungover officer . He grabbed a gun from the floor of his car & shot accidentally at the Kennedy car. The protection team quietly stopped using those bullets in the months after. Also other cars in the parade smelt gunpowder at ground level ( the smell wouldn't drift down from the window where the shooter was & his shot hit Kennedys neck not his head).

[@apointofinterest8574]

@Sarah Holland: That's a mini-mashup of lame conspiracy theories you've culled from the dark corners of the net and the pages of debased conspiracy books. To take only your first stupidity, there were not "2 different types of bullets found..." The truth of the lone assassin is demonstrated by the cold/hard fact that no bullets, bullet fragments or shells other than what came from Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano rifle were discovered anywhere by anyone in Dealey Plaza, the limousine, Parkland Hospital, or in the bodies of Kennedy or Governor Connolly. All bullets or fragments thereof found were positively traced back to Oswald’s rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons.

[@BrookeBrantingham]

Sounds like you cou!d make a movie,just as you presented. So maybe that's exactly what you should do ,with a royalty percentage to Dorothy's children.and as a memorial and legacy on the woman ,journalist,icon you have described. And leave it that.Just an idea,I can see Mark Shaw has greatly investigated this mystery,so I hope you do the movie.

[@calliopivogiatzis2235]

After her tragic death,I wondered if her third child kerry had any type of relationship with his real father,johnnie ray?

[@robertalpy9422]

Ron Pataki? Any relation to Governor George Pataki?

[@CM-jt2pw]

45 seconds useless music at the beginning

[@JND-zf4sg]

Stay safe Mark Shaw.

[@themajesticmagnificent8561]

Thank you Erik and Mark for a interesting interview..The lady sounded to be a trailblazer..Who knows what happened and for why.We can only guess..Though Mark certainly gives a very good case..I will try to get the book. May Dorothy Rest In Peace..

[@edwardlongfellow5819]

A number of people who have died in bed have been found to have quantities of alcohol and barbiturates in their system-which can be a deadly combination.

[@debraday9898]

I love Dorothy, but why did she have a big mouth. So did Marilyn and look where it got her!

[@LibertyStation92106]

Dislike Mark's use of "College dropout". True, college didn't agree with her, but it sounds derogatory.

[@jaredkelly930]

She def was the woman that knew too much.

[@Nunofurdambiznez]

Musical intro WAAAY too long

[@saskoilersfan]

Nobody views zapruder film as a 26 sec trailer ._.

[@leduch]

the pills killer ! she said NO to frank sinatra ! njoylife

[@midtod]

Oh no! Not Mark Shaw again. This guy has turned Dorothy Kilgallen into a cottage industry for himself and written multiple, repetitious books that are filled with mistakes. First of all, much of the research he claims credit for is DERIVATIVE of Sara Jordan-Heintz, who wrote the epic magazine article called "Who Killed Dorothy Kilgallen?" in 2007. Mr. Shaw contacted Sara and me (I'm her father) in 2014 and asked for our help. We gave him tons of information and made crucial introductions. We are listed in the credits and I am personally quoted. That was in his first book. But as time went on, Mr. Shaw started telling people HE discovered this, HE discovered that. He even claimed his "research assistant" came up with certain items, then proceeded to quote word for word from the 1979 Lee Israel book without giving her proper credit! If Most Notorious wants to know the REAL facts about Dorothy Kilgallen/JFK, you should interview Sara, who is the author of a hot new 414 page book, "The Incredible Life & Mysterious Death of Dorothy Kilgallen," available worldwide in both a print and ebook format. We have grown so tired of seeing Mark Shaw's misstatements and distortions that Sara decided to do her own book. She is an award-winning writer whose work has appeared nationally via the Associated Press and USA Today, plus numerous niche magazines. I personally developed a relationship with the man who was the (unofficial) suspect in DK's death and taped various conversations with him in which he revealed his connection to U.S. intel near the end of his life. This helped Sara discover the "smoking gun" of the case. She also has far more up-to-date information on the Kennedy assassination from declassified files that the national media have ignored. And she delves deeply into Dorothy's pursuit of the truth, quoting from about 139 articles Kilgallen wrote. Marlin Swing, a CBS executive who was close to Dorothy, even called me up and praised Sara's initial article and provided more details which are now in her book. Keep in mind: Dorothy Kilgallen was a Pulitzer Prize-nominated hard news reporter (and columnist) for the vast newspaper chain. Sara Jordan-Heintz is a working journalist in the tradition of Dorothy. Mark Shaw is a lawyer who has put in writing he feels Dorothy is personally guiding him. (How is he communicating with Kilgallen? Via seance?) He even put this in a court filing. He grandstands and sends letters to entities like District Attorneys, all of whom have rejected his claims.

[@martinkershaw3894]

Wow your comment has helped out of my self imposed or as a result of pain my own lovely Mum Lovely Kaka Kershaw was murdered slowly agonisingly in bid to steal our family home AND IT GOT WORSE WITH SICK AND TWISTED COVER AND MAJOR SUMMER SAULTS TO DISCREDIT ME SCAPE GOAT ME THIS IS TRUE EVEN MAJOR CRIMINALS I U HOLLY ALLIANCE AND MY FAMILY INVOLVED... MY EXPERIENCE BEING LAW SCHOOL GRADUATE AND A COMMUNITY ACTIVIST AND LEADER MADE THEM HAVE TO GO HARDER NE TO DISCREDIT AND SILENCE ME. Your comments help mee out of the mental dungeon at this point in Time. I'm trying hard to not let it really affect me Ireally... I am reading the Dorothy Kilgallen podcasts by Mark all the time to helpme cope make sense of things with and Launch or relaunch the murder investigation the horrendous cruel abuseinhuman degrading treatment my lovely Mum Lovely Kala Kala Kershaw our home serial arson Cover Up and attacks attempted murder on me which I find hard to talk about your comment has given me a ladder to climb out of the hel on earth mental prison in my own head I seem to have made to protect me from reliving the scenes of abuse and Cover Up and the demonising me to discredit me speaking out... My law school and life experience made tenacious diligent able person which made the perpetrators having to go really hard on me attempting to burn me alive on 4 April 2022 3weeks after lovely Mammy lovely Kala funeral I was 80 days trauma word but the memory of the horrific abuse of lovely Mum was dominating my consultations with doctors... My mind seems to errected a shut down of sorfs to protect me from the pain and reliving the terror your comrnt helped me out if the dungeon thanks. And thanks to that lady that first wrote that brave Article Dorothy Kilgallen I hope Dorothy speaks to my lovely Mum Lovely Kala in heaven THEY EVEN LOOK A BIT LIKE EACH OTHER AND SHARE GOD QUALITIES AND FROM IRELAND I better stop I'm emotional 💔

[@DavidBrown-bp4iq]

"Barbituates?" Sounds nucular to me.

[@G_FactorX]

Bullshit.

[@ianclarke3627]

I've always found a weak chin attractive in a woman

[@ivyc3500]

yuck.

[@joelucia6873]

you are a moran

[@youtuber5305]

Is that ALL you can think of?

[@ianclarke3627]

@@joelucia6873 do you mean moron? ,pleb

[@ianclarke3627]

@@youtuber5305 not all no , how about you ?

[@EtherealAriel]

I appreciate his work but he lives in San Francisco so I question his morality.

[@saskoilersfan]

The babushka lady was Dorothy ._. Dorothy was at the Os assassination and knew Oz killed Kennedy and not Os._. Ruby killed wrong Os and Dorothy knew this._. Dorothy didn't recognise Os , she recognised Oz._. The woman who saw everything held a camera , was the reporter who knew everything about Oz._. Not Os._. In the end , Dorothy dies._.

[@IanP1963]

Nope but interesting !!!

[@davidfitzgerald4683]

Cs lewis what they fuck are you tallking about bro?

[@sharoncarrier18]

C.S. Lewis. WHAT are you talking about? Beverly Oliver is the babushka lady. Please explain Oz & Os. Are you referring to Oswald doubles? Dorothy was not at the Ruby shooting Oswald scene. Are you trying to spread disinformation?

[@kentnoble8434]

I have never heard more ridiculous allegations based on such slim evidence. This was a dark day for this podcast.

[@ghostdance56]

you seem to know everything, what happened to her manuscript?

[@Justme-jy7vo]

Democrat?

[@gregfox336]

This Shaw guy is guessing, he has a book to sell, his theories are so wide of the mark, don't be fooled.

[@saskoilersfan]

Out of all the theorys , not one Disney associated Os/Oz enigma._. Except me . A story so outlandish , it has to be true._. Kennedy assassination inspired by a Disney Os/Oz enigma._. Here the irony ._. The person who solved the Kennedy assassination won't write the book._. i won't write a book about explaining how to solve the Kennedy assassination._. Do you know why ??? I love the society of lies._. Why spoil it ? ._. Its so entertaining._. I bet nobody solved the Disney baum scare ._. They cooperated on a Cinderella type story ._. Heres a clue , " a piece of clothing was found by the stairs . All they had to go on was the slip on tie"._. Cinderella had a slip on shoe ,._. Our fleer had a slip on tie._.

[@jp0308]

You're an absolute, unmitigated nut case!! You incorporate unintelligible verbiage. You'd be a perfect subject for an episode of the Twilight Zone bordering on the absurd.... Give it a rest and, incidentally, stop denigrating the name of C. S. Lewis as your moniker who, as a man of intellect and rational thinking, far surpasses your diminutive intellectual capacity.

[@scottgilbert4827]

Nobody thinks you're funny. Pathetic and not to mention a f****** a******