The Mystery of Dyatlov Pass w/

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[@AlphariusMemegon]

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[@trail-wolf4x4]

I'd like to see you and Roanoke discuss the Lost Franklin Expedition. Between the of course hazardous conditions of the Artic, to the mental instability and the eventual lead poisoning as their bodies broke down releasing all the lead they ingested over their life

[@jacobjordan9901]

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[@TheWhiteTrashPanda]

I feel like you should find a 3rd Aidan to do a regular collab with and call it "The Triple A Podcast"

[@lauracrabb7169]

There’s already a podcast called that. Silent Sin, Polydub, and drunken uncle do it three times a week.

[@Elemarth]

I'm still stuck on why they cut their way out. I wonder if the winds actually caused the tent to collapse on top of them, and kept it down, which explains them not being able to find their clothes or unbutton the tent.

[@BrandonHeat243]

Having seen many videos about this over the years, the most logical theory I ever heard was that they didn't put out the embers in the tent stove completely and something caught on fire after everyone went to sleep which filled the tent with smoke.

[@WideAwakeHuman]

@@BrandonHeat243that also explains the burns on the two of them - most reasonable explanation I’ve heard. If the tent fills with smoke and flames then cutting yourself out seems totally plausible.

[@chancelambert8462]

They were forced out, by gunfire. The door was blocked by others so the rest tried to escape by leaving through the hole they cut.

[@phuckindrummer5537]

Didn't one of them pass gas? And it was so horrendous in foul smell that they had to... "cut the tent" after one had to... "cut the cheese"?

[@chancelambert8462]

@@phuckindrummer5537 Oh, forget it. Why be so serious, correct? I enjoy a funny joke once in a while but, hey, 12 year olds should not post to things like this. "Cut the cheese so cut the tent?" Your "comedy routine" needs some work.

[@braydenpaulk5079]

Two of my favorite KZbinrs, I’m so glad y’all did a collab!

[@highlorddarkstar]

It might be nice to get an actual survival expert to comment on what they seemed to be doing. And I’d love to hear a more detailed explanation of the avalanche theory, as I thought there were two slides. But there are lots of questions and weird bits.

[@Sollinare]

It has been done years ago by E.Buyanov, who is master of sport in mountain tourism. I can give you a link to a short article, where he explained what they seemed to be doing and what they should have done instead. And gives examples of similar behaviour in similar conditions in other tourism accidents. But it's in russian, I don't how good google translation will be.

[@piperonal9682]

The radiation is easily explained by the fact that oil and gaslamps of that time contained a sock covered in Thoriumoxid. If someone broke a lamp and spilled contents over their cloths they would get irradiated without knowing

[@lalli8152]

There was also atleast one of them whose college research involved him handling radioactive material, and small amounts could have come from him if i remember correctly

[@incredibleedibledez]

Also one of the guys was an engineer for a nuclear program. He worked with radioactive materials so there would’ve been residue on his clothes.

[@tinytachanka6177]

Something I haven’t heard many consider or mention. Are there moose in the area? They weigh about 1400 Lbs and can charge at 35 miles an hour. If there are moose I can see an attack leading to the kind of injuries we saw with the chest and head wound on the two from the den

[@mecahhannah]

Awesome as always thanks guys ❤ I love both channels!

[@ariellecelestee]

I don’t think what caused them to leave the tent had anything to do with the weather, because that wouldn’t explain why they left behind their shoes. I can understand leaving behind their jackets and backpacks- they were underneath the tent so it would have been a hassle to get them from under it. However, their shoes and blankets were within arms reach… This is why I strongly disagree with the katabatic winds theory. If the weather was their only threat, you’d think warmth would have been their #1 priority. Also if the winds terrified them so much that they destroying their only shelter, why would they willingly walk a MILE in these winds? Their best bet would have been to just stay put inside the tent because their combined body weight would not have caused the tent to fly away, and they would have been much warmer. Just my opinion, the way they walked down the mountain really seems to me that something started raining down on them and they needed to get to the nearest treeline as quickly, yet efficiently, as possible. I also think it’s possible that Kolmogorova, Dyatlov, and Slobodin may have died on the way down the mountain. Also PS- the storage cache didn’t have anything of importance that would have helped them survive the night. The hikers did not have sleeping bags with them on this trek. All the cache had was food supplies, Rustem’s mandolin, an extra pair of skis, etc. Basically the bulkier, less important things that would have been a pain to carry.

[@MimiKDuff]

Now I can’t say with 100% certainty that this is always the case but from my experience working at a ski area for 8 winters, a slab avalanche can happen when there has been a recent change in either temperature or the moisture of the snow. Say for example you have a lot of powder snow fall (very light snow with very small flakes, blows around very easily, worst kind to make snowballs with, very dry to the touch before it melts) and then you get a storm that is almost sleet like (very wet and heavy, perfect for making snowballs, super hard to walk through if it is higher than your ankle and very dense) on top of the powder snow. The heavy snow will compact the powder snow down but it’s density will still not be nearly as much as the heavy snow. After the snow clears up, the temperature drops and the heavy snow even further binds together and likely freezes on the top but the powdered snow doesn’t because it’s insulated under the heavy snow and it’s water content is much lower* (note: this might be scientifically wrong, I’m just explaining it as the ski patrol who had recently finished an avalanche clearing course). That in turn makes the conditions so there is a heavier slab of snow on top of an unsteady, almost sand like layer. If this isn’t disturbed (usually by some physical force if I’m not mistaken, vs a “normal” avalanche that can be set off with sound waves depending on the situation). As one of them mentioned, this particular slope isn’t extremely steep so it being a slab is more likely than on a steep slope where gravity is working harder. It is entirely possible and even probable that digging down for the tent or a hole to relieve themselves could have triggered one. These avalanches are often the types that you hear about ski patrols and mountaineers blowing up to safely set them off in a controlled manner. Disclaimer: not a professional, going off second hand knowledge from 10+ years ago but something that I was very interested in at the time + numerous years of working in an adjacent field and seeing a few avalanches in that time. tl:dr - heavy compact snow on top of lighter, less compact snow makes snow slab on top. Something makes it shift, lighter snow layer much less stable, slab goes on an adventure.

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[@vampirefrompluto9788]

1:19:30 Gef The Mongoose is a wild story from start to finish!

[@BigMac8008]

I would like to see them explore the possibility that they were separated WHEN the avalanche hit.

[@vaclavketman7580]

Looking at the photos, the placement of those horrific injuries of the snow den group really seems to copy riverbed. Dubinina is laying with her fractured chest pressed to big rock; head injuries of the others again seem to be consistent with them being pressed to stones. I think they were crushed by large amounts of snow and ice. Even as the snows were melting with coming spring, they were still buried 4 meters.

[@theprogressivecynic2407]

I think that the most likely possibility is that the USSR dropped aerial mines in the wrong area (they were testing them in the area at the time) and caused them to get severely concussed and confused due to the shockwave. Imagine that the hikers were at camp when they got hit by a massive concussive wave from an airburst explosion and they cut their way out of their tents. Confused and injured (eg. the two with burns could have gotten hit by burning debris), they didn't return to the tent because they had no idea what happened and weren't thinking straight. Then, a combination of the elements, injuries, and confusion clouding their minds killed them. When the military realized what happened, they did the classic USSR-style cover up. Given how those went, it's likely that Russia doesn't even know exactly what happened, as there is no way that the military would take credit for mistaking a test peak for their weapons with a hiking peak. Nothing supernatural--just plain old government incompetence and corruption.

[@cinnamon962]

It’s the missing eyes and tongue that got me. 😮

[@incredibleedibledez]

Missing enigma is the uncle I want to go fishing with.

[@Nyctophora]

Wonderful combo of lore people!

[@Vilbopoika]

Love to see different takes on this case. I still think that the heating stove in the tent re-igniting and filling the tent with smoke explains this case best. Does it explain everything? No. Especially what happened after leaving the tent. Lemmino's The Dyatlov Pass Case video 7 years back summarizes this "Stove theory" best if somebody is not familiar with it.

[@S0m35uy]

Wood on the ground is usually very moist. Survival books say to use dead branches that have been caught up in trees not stuff lying in the ground.

[@goremall]

One thing I found fascinating about the camera is how he made sure it was visible when he died. It was right at the top of his chest almost like he placed it there in his last moments to ensure the search party would find it. It seems like if he was fighting for his life, the camera would not have been important, and it would have been in his pocket or something like that. Too bad the pictures didn’t turn out great because I suspect there was a photo of something he wanted us to see that would explain things.

[@skylark1250]

It was the oldest skier’s birthday. Perhaps the group gave him camera as a gift. Was he keeping watch for something that night? He was the one dressed more warmly for the extreme cold temperatures. Were they being followed by something or someone? When they fled the tent did someone leave a flashlight on the tent with the light on so they could find the tent again? If they were shaken up by something that made them leave the tent hurriedly this seems to be a survivalist decision so They could return to the tent. An avalanche could have hit the loser group but no evidence the others who froze to death ever an avalanche. Most avalanche deaths are caused by suffocating to death, not trauma. The coroner says injuries occurred while they were still alive. This is a mystery.

[@Ch1ll4x1n]

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[@angeladetrizio9522]

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[@NDZ-jf8ur]

Repost from Part II: Stove/Ventilation Theory Okay it's been a few years since I last looked into this but I do remember the stove explanation making the most sense. The theory was they had used the stove then disassembled it and the embers reignited and started smoking, they needed to ventilate the tent by cutting it from the inside. So, they fled the tent because they were getting smoked out.

[@ariellecelestee]

Take a closer look into the items in the tent. The stove was never even assembled that night, most likely meaning they were gonna cold camp on the side of the mountain. I wonder why…

[@NDZ-jf8ur]

@ariellecelestee How does anybody know the stove wasn't used that night? What's the evidence? It's been awhile since I looked into this but I thought there was good evidence of fire/smoke at the tent site. If memory serves, they thought there was smoldering from a previous fire that caused smoke which is why they cut the tent, not to escape but for ventilation.

[@chancelambert8462]

The picture you are speaking of, the one with the bright square, is an "accidental picture". It was taken during the autopsies. When the now thawed camera was taken off one of the hikers, the coroner accidentally to a picture of the lab window with sunlight coming thru it. The round circle in the picture was faint light shining off a wall clock. You have to remember... that film and camera were in the elements quite a while. You see, when you learn about the SMALL things and don't discount them, everything leads to a different conclusion. With all I know, you would have to start from scratch, from the tent incident. It all started there.

[@laylav2494]

Omg, I love his content!!!

[@larvin6910]

This is a bit of a wild one but is there any chance it could be a training mission like these places where survivalists go where they have to get through certain situations and it got a bit out of hand so covered up.

[@jamiemerian9736]

I cant get over the no shoes/boots scenario. Katabatic winds, sure. But if they have enough time to get out and cover the tent with some snow to keep it in place, then surely they would grab boots before walking 1.5 kilometers in an orderly fashion down to the tree line. They all had to know survival time was cut at least in half for them without footwear to go that far down.

[@thoru4367]

From the tent to the cedar tree was exactly 1.5 km

[@jkfjsfaugueyfhsdfjfafajjgu6769]

I’m thinking as soon as i heard about the fast winds around mountens. There might be the case that the team got destroyed by multiple strong winds over a few days. That’s why they fell so far and why they first cut the tent and why they fell from the tree and why they tried to rebuild a shelter. They got spooked by the first wave. Got to make a new shelter second wave and the last wave killed the rest of them.

[@LemonJackRazer]

I literally just finished the other two about 2 hours ago

[@keithsmith4656]

The twigs and branches off the tree that were dry and seasoned were under the snow. They didn't have a shovel to dig in the snow and they're already slowly freezing to death. They probably wouldn't have wanted to dig in the snow with their hand because it would have caused them to freeze faster. The branches on the tree were the only reasonable source of wood they could get with their available means.

[@eileenann1510]

didn't they have some homemade heater in their tent ? I think that snow hit the tent and the heater melted it and it turned into an ice coating. and they were running out of air

[@thoru4367]

You are the first non russian guy that dug deep into this. Thats very fascinating to me

[@thoru4367]

But there are a looot more stuff to find in this case i would say

[@brianc9374]

Totally burnt out on this incident

[@FrozeMoments]

Has anyone ever seen the movie Dyatlov Pass or Devil Pass ? I think I watched it on 2015 YT. Pretty good

[@spookshow6999]

Yes I actually liked it.

[@bradleywalsh9487]

The video by Aidan the other week reminded me of tjat movie, God I havnt seen it in so long

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I love that movie

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Y'all should look into The Glamis Castle Monster.

[@ivydune4185]

To me it's the type of injuries that makes this very weird. A group falls from a tree, a group seems to be blown against walls (or fell from the tree too and was dragged or slipped to the den, and another group is fighting with something or with each other near the tent from where they escaped in panic (or so we think...anyone could have cut the tent...). The timeline of events may not be that 9 ran out of the tent and then all happened...it could be that they were all together by the fire when something happened. It could have happened in daylight. The den could have been built days before.

[@daisy10727]

Would love to hear your take on Gef the talking mongoose, first heard it on And That’s Why We Drink podcast but they covered it a few years ago

[@katherinecarpenter4677]

I'd like to know with all the knuckle and face scrapes, why do they look like they were in a bar fight or something?

[@matthewolson8354]

I don't think i would attempt to climb a tree if i was scared by wind

[@chancelambert8462]

So, why was Ludmilla the only one with a missing tongue? And... of course she was the one with the MOST injuries? And, left to actually SURVIVE before hypothermia set in? This is why you cannot bypass this... you can't just throw it into the hopper to discern later. There is a reason for this. She was incapacitated for a reason along with everyone in the Dyatlov party. Every single person in that party was NOT killed. Incapacitated. Every single one of them were left to live until hypothermia set in. You think about that. There you find a clue as to what happened.

[@matthewweston-m1i]

An avalanche explains everything perfectly, I don't understand how you don't see that. A reseach paper has even been written.

[@TheLoreLodge]

Have you watched our videos on the subject? An avalanche can only account for why they left the tent, nothing else.

[@Sollinare]

​​@@TheLoreLodge have you read Buyanov's book? Avalanch explains most of the things,

[@TheLoreLodge]

@@Sollinare it doesn’t explain the chest crushing injuries to two of the people. They died long after leaving the tent, and couldn’t have got to where they were with those injuries.

[@Sollinare]

@@TheLoreLodge why? Avalanches do crush people because even a small "desk" of snow is heavy. In Eryomkin's group accident people were crushed by a similar desk on a similar slope. Actually Eryomkin survived and he thought that Diatlov's group had a similar accident.

[@Sollinare]

@@TheLoreLodge the only one who couldn't move at all was Tibo. Both others could for some time, especially on adrenaline rush.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

The missing knives is easily explained in a few ways - 1) Remember who found the ones by the creek, it was local hunters. So keep in mind that in between the hunters first finding them and ANY kind of investigative party getting out there, it's likely everyone in those hunters' community/communities is gonna know there's stiffs by the creek. They would HAVE to know because the hunters would be like "hey just so everyone knows there's gonna be a lot of squares here in a few days, everybody be cool." This means that literally anyone in that community could have gone up there to poke the bodies with a stick and pocket a new (assuming Finnish Puukii) knife, which is made for hunting. Anybody could've seen the knives catching the glint of the light and said "new knife just dropped!" Explains why the knives in the tent was still there, that group was found earlier by different people. I'm actually a little surprised the Soviet authorities wouldn't have put the screws to the hunters over the missing knives, it seems like something they'd do but if they hide them away there's no much they can do and they might not have been willing to go to the extent necessary to extract that information, it may have slipped their mind entirely. 2) The knives are STILL UP THERE today and were left in the place they were gathering limbs for the dugout, which is a place that afaik is never identified in any investigation. They used the knives to cut the limbs, and left them there for the next person to use to construct the dugout in the least amount of time, the last person to gather limbs left them there in case they had to go back for more limbs. No one ever found them again - in which case, someone should go out there with a metal detector. The knives were likely Finnish, so either smaller puukii or like a Finnish knife I own for skinning, somewhat long but very slender and curved. In either case, the handle will have rotted away but the metal blade will remain. 3) They were swept away with the thaw and the flow of the stream. So basically, this possibility dictates that they'd have been light enough to get swept away from the location of bodies by melt flowing into the creek and the creek flowing downhill. Not my favorite theory but it does have to be mentioned. Who knows what else was deposited later in the thaw, perhaps the missing cameras as well. Somebody with a metal detector, get detectin'! 4) The knives were recovered, but kept off the books so that they could be given to the family of the deceased. Again, not the most likely scenario, given the knives in the tent but there's still a possibility. We can only go off of what's documented, but that doesn't mean everything that's pertinent was documented. It's good to keep that in mind. Frankly I don't find the lack of the knives suspicious for the reasons stated above, I'm sure a lot of evidence for the dugout group was destroyed due to the increased time accrued before finding them.

[@jillanderson1316]

Wh6 did they cut the side of the tent why did they camp ij the open instead of being under the trees or in the trees protecting tthem from the wind i just dont get the horrendous injuries. Could they have attackrd each other

[@hunterreese8716]

I saw a interview of a mansi man who lives near the dyatlov pass and he said his great grandfather said it was some sort of rocket and the crash made the air hard to breathe so they ran down the hill so they could breath which explains why they left so quick and why they stayed down there so long and built a fire and waited it out then tried to make it back the mansi man even said in the summer when snow melts some that you can still see some of the parts from the rocket he said he could take you to the parts

[@JasonSmith-eu4ng]

I think the cutting of the tent is the real key to it all, why would they cut the tent? They obviously entered the tent through the hatch and how long does it real take to open the tent the normal way? Unless going out the front of the tent is dangerous, them scattering does lend credit to the theory also placing a flashlight on facing the danger could create cover to flee, and the weird ways they went could also be attributed to fleeing in random directions.

[@soullesspinkamenapinkamena1747]

Maybe they ate too many beans and a war crime was commited in the tents?

[@larvin6910]

Imagine if someone had that notebook and something was wrote. What would be the valvur of it? Maybe the key to the whole case.

[@DanieleRossi-uo3do]

Will be published new books on dyatlov pass mysteries??

[@sarg0013]

Ive always been under the assumption they were on a type of drug or there was a fight and the deaths are out of order.

[@cgw3186]

Wait, shut the fridge - how the hell do the Aidans not know about Geoff the Talking Mongoose? One of my favorite weird stories out there (plus it's an upcoming movie with Simon Pegg...), and it's hugely entertaining whether you think its a case of high strangeness or something hilariously mundane so it would make a great video...

[@adriananovais7240]

Unless it was covered, there should have been some light on the night of February 1st, 1959. The moon was in the Waning Gibbous phase and the snow would have reflect the moonlight.

[@jonathanherbert1732]

Jason Voorhees is supposedly a deadite. Sam Raimi lent the actual Necronomicon used in Army of darkness to Director Adam Marcus, The director of The Ninth Jason movie, Jason goes to Hell : The Final Friday, when Adam visited the set. Marcus had wanted to direct an evil dead film so he added the book into the movie to hint that Jason's mother Pamela had used the dark magic of the book to resurrect her son.

[@creepyoldlady2995]

Per orange appearance of bodies: look up the Franklin Expedition, late 19th century. First 2 bodies exhumed turned orange-ish moments after being exposed to air. Don't know why, but it couldn't have been radiation.

[@DanieleRossi-uo3do]

Will be piblished new books on dyatlov pass mysteries???

[@imurgodsgod]

Who sneezed at 38:55??? The phantom sneeze

[@SuperWeenieHutJuniors]

I thought it was pretty much solved. They were treading on Mansi territory, were warned to turn back, and were murdered for not listening and disrespecting their sacred land.

[@teaspoonsofpeanutbutter6425]

Where did you hear that? I've heard many a throes but never that one.

[@SuperWeenieHutJuniors]

@@teaspoonsofpeanutbutter6425 I think from Buzzfeed unsolved but I don't remember exactly.

[@teaspoonsofpeanutbutter6425]

@@SuperWeenieHutJuniors I've o ly e er heard the mansi were gentle folk so vastly unlikely it was anything to do with them

[@mkaylor121]

I watched a morticians video on it and she had some insight on the remains

[@jamesknapp64]

I was kinda joking with the last super chat. Georgia is where Roanoke is from (he's stated it in many videos), and I listed the City TME went to college at Western Washington U (he mentions it in the video about how he got interested into disappearance); The true equal distant point is in North or South Dakota near the Minn border (depends on where Roanoke actually lives). Alas as you guys had joked about meeting up with Roanoke for him going to find the Dogman in 2027; and Bray Road is the famous dogman sighting. So I was playing into that joke Joke didn't land and I had a commercial when you read it so I had missed it. ps Missing Lodge doesn't sound like a good Fan Fiction name, too generic.

[@Nilboggen]

I think a rock rolled down the mountain hit the tent, injured two of the hikers one of them mortally the other knocked unconscious, the tent collapses, they cut their way out and leave the tent in a panic. They don't know if more rocks will fall down the mountain so they head for the treeline and they are looking for anyone in the area to help rescue their injured friends which is why they climb the trees and build a new shelter. It's too cold for them to be outside and they all succumb to hypothermia. The rock wouldn't have had to be very big and its pretty common in the area to have falling rocks. Also as to not seeing the rock A. they weren't looking for one B. most of the bodies were buried in 2.5' of snow by the time they find them

[@incredibleedibledez]

If a rock slide happened there’d be more evidence.

[@incredibleedibledez]

Plus is your look at the photos, the tent was still standing. If a rock had hit the tent hard enough to knock someone unconscious it would’ve knocked the tent down.

[@Nilboggen]

@@incredibleedibledez the tent is collapsed in the middle when they find it per the photos and investigator accounts.

[@incredibleedibledez]

@@Nilboggen but their skis and the poles are still upright which would mean that a rock had to smash directly down the middle & even with it collapsed they somehow knew To cut from the top down to escape (if you look at the pictures when they reconstruct it, the cuts obviously start at the top of the tent) the only reason the actual tent collapsed was under the weight of the snow that occurred since the incident Plus the lack of tension that occurred when they cut the tent. I just think that’s improbable that a rock side managed to hit the exact center of the tent and even in the chaos they still managed to cut from the top down.

[@incredibleedibledez]

@@Nilboggen I’m not saying it’s not impossible but it seems improbable.

[@clementinetea2078]

Oh my god they didn’t know about Gef??? Gef the talking metaphysical mongoose?

[@mkaylor121]

Smithsonian's Streisand effect with the giants

[@wesleypittman4706]

There is a game based on this. "Kholat" I have not played it but it looks good.

[@Medicalguy]

I remember that one. I remember it being kind of convoluted and really vague and on the nose about this incident. I'd have preferred if it were about an unrelated group or person and more grounded in reality.

[@dulguuntsg8389]

rumor: there were escapees in the area thats why zolotarev went there to contact with them

[@skeptischism1324]

gotta be honest, even if im in a tent..............if im in the Tundra, im staying 99% dressed. Cant say Dyatlov himself wouldnt have opted to set the tent where it was.

[@TheNightWatcher1385]

I think this incident is far less complicated than many make it. They woke up to their tent on fire, panicked and cut themselves out, then froze to death trying to make a fire.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

Is there any understanding of when the investigation officially starts? We know for the tent group and for the cedar group, the bodies were moved postmortem, we also know that those two groups were found first by the student volunteers THEN the government crew went out - so did the investigation start from the moment the volunteers found the body, or the moment the government group arrived? My point is, the volunteers could've moved the bodies, not thinking about tampering with the scene. Then they leave, the government group arrives and finds the two groups in that state and THEN the investigation begins. That's also why I don't think it's a government cover-up - in real cover-ups the government is usually VERY energetic in their response to the situation and they SURE as hell don't want anyone else to get there first. We also would've noticed discrepancies in the volunteers' accounts and the government's official accounts. Sure, they could've pressured them to shut up about what they saw but if they cared enough to go out there looking for their missing peers they're not gonna keep quiet after the regime that threatened them no longer exists.

[@cgeo3992]

they had other injuries that may have caused death, not freezing.

[@patrickf8114]

Why does no one toss around the idea of the fallen tree near the “cedar tree”….could explain a lot of then injuries….also why there is so many tree pieces on ground-fresh fallen tree that came down after fire was started

[@patrickf8114]

A shockwave from a weapon could have helped the tree fall too

[@lalli8152]

@@patrickf8114 I actually once read theory from russia that the army had shelled the area maybe in military exercise with shells that often explodes up on trees, and the tree could have fallen that way. The theory also said people likely moved the tent away from the area to cover it up that the tree actually fell on the tent because the people doing it would have in russia likely be found responsible, and it was even potential capital punishment or decades in gulag. I didnt read the entire thing, but idk how the tent would have been moved because the foot prints if i remember correctly likely came from hikers from the tent to the cedar tree

[@funkyfoodster]

my thoughts on this. there dosent have to be a physical threat to scare them into leaving the tent, just the impression of one. so someone hears a noise, believing its a danger, alerts the others, they flee to the tree line. they all climb trees, a few of them slip. they cant all goto tent cause of injured members. fire started, doesn't work. they build a shelter for the injured, the able bodied head off to tent for supplies. tensions are high and a fight breaks out, leaving those in the shelter. Chest injury guy dies , the other two take him out, one slips , hits head , the other stays craddling trying to keep warm. th both succumb to the cold. the investigation weirdness is more likely incompetence.

[@phuckindrummer5537]

So..... One guy or girl farted??? I mean a really bad one and they had to get fresh air immediately or else???

[@bb-bz9jb]

If you like meta cinematography "rubber" is definitely worth a watch

[@TheLoreLodge]

Seen it, love it

[@fleckthebeck1992]

What about if the person closest to the tent opening started having a demonic experience..can we play with that idea?

[@imurgodsgod]

Fun story idea

[@TheWhiteTrashPanda]

Thornbussy needs to speak louder

[@jasonpratt5126]

Plan: sending KZbinrs out to look for Bigfoot in British Columbia for a week. Expectation: hilarity ensues! Reality: the only body found is impaled at the top of a 100 tree, but the cameras have enough footage to make a film from it....

[@hycynth82828]

Aidan I used to follow you on tw, got banned, and now your tweets are protected 😭😭😭

[@TheLoreLodge]

Only briefly protected dont worry

[@thoru4367]

They could get an injuries by being thrown out of the KGB's helicopter and the being covered up

[@brannkos]

geologic airborne mines, and after that cover up

[@Perepeteia]

About the group climbing the tree to get green wood. They used pine wood for the fire,right? If so, I just remembered that back in school during an ОБЖ class("basics of staying safe", it's supposed to teach u various safety-and-survival-related things, but ends up being a class during which u have some extra time to finish writing an essay for an upcoming Literature class) we were told that pine tree sap is highly flammable and sth abt fires which i couldn't remember, so I decided to check what these books(and camping blogs) were saying abt starting a fire and for snowy or rainy weather it's actually recommended to look for birch tree bark and if there's none then it's advised to get fresh pine branches - the more sap-marinated, the better. Ofc they also say that it's good to turn ur pine branches barkless w a knife if possible. So if the group was following similar rules it's not that surprising they did what they did. Also about communism and strict rules - sometimes u had to do everything by the book and sometimes u could just give someone 20L of honey and skip the rules. That's how my mom got into college after her essay was sabotaged by the reviewing commission (they added a buuunch of commas and said she should've used carbon paper then it wouldn't be that easy for them to add some "corrections". They also said it has been decided who would the freshmen be a year in advance and that they definitely won't be taking any more students, when grandpa managed to get a principal to talk to him one-on-one & offered him a gift the principal went "aight, when there's a will there's a way" 🙃 this sort of "gift" was sufficient for a principal in a small town, doing the same in bigger cities would require bigger "gifts" or knowing someone who's in a position of power but not as high in the hierarchy. Also often when they lost sth they would say "it was not submitted". Little worked the way it was supposed to work - my greatgrandpa went to jail instead of his GROWN middle aged son who was a piece of trash and did petty crimes just for funsies(not out of desperation) and although the police station knew it was his son, had the evidence and witnesses they still locked up grgrandpa just bc the man wasn't hiding and decided to take the blame out of love for that escherichia in human form and they let him do it. That same son would kill him after abusing him for years. The abuse was reported and nothing was ever done the "SoN" served no jail time, long before the crime happened grgrandpa's other kids tried to convince him to move and live w them(bc reporting clearly did not work), even managed to get him to agree a few times but he'd always go back once he started missing grgrandma who never agreed to leave her house or that "SoN" for more than a few hours as she was worried that if she's to move her SoN wouldn't survive without her bc the dude was also a terrible drunkard. On a good note, that exemplary scumbag died in a fire that he caused while drunk at his(actually greatgrandparents') house.

[@captainobscurity491]

The Slabalanche

[@imurgodsgod]

I love missing enigma but come on man do some research on this before hand, I mean, or just watch the lore lodges well researched videos, it seems like he watched 5 or 10 minutes of the second part and said, I’m good lol, I know more about this topic then him hahaha but I love all of these creators these 3 are great

[@dulguuntsg8389]

opening of the case dates are not consistent

[@TigerLily61811]

I dove way deep on this a while back. When you dig into slab avalanches, then you understand they can pack a serious punch consistent with impact injuries similar to a car crash. When you consider the team was sleeping prone on top of their skis, and a broken ski was found this seems the most likely scenario. Slab avalanches are the most dangerous type and responsible for 90% of the deaths that occur in avalanches.They can occur even on a low grade slope. Sadly the way the team dug into the snow to get the tent flat and down below the wind, they may have weakened the slope above them. Scientists who have been in the area recently have reported they actually occur frequently there. Why is there "no evidence" of an avalanche? A few points... 1. If you have 9 people in a panic trying to escape a tent, you will probably shove a lot of the snow off the tent in this process. 2. Then winds will disperse rest. 3. The photos were taken WEEKS later, and there is still a fair amount of snow on top of the tent. I believe all the serious injuries (2 with skull fractures, 2 with chest trauma) occurred when they were hit by a slab avalanche. All of the serious injuries were to the upper body, so even in great pain, most of them could probably walk at least initially or with help. In the dark they could not see the situation on the mountain, so to be safe it was best to get the injured down to the treeline. With all the adrenaline pumping none of them were likely cold in the moment, and that explains why they were not concerned with shoes and how they were dressed. Their immediate priority was to get out of harms way. It explains the orderly walk to the treeline - they were being careful with / carrying the injured. They got a fire started and then they built the shelter nearby. Sadly I believe those with the worst injuries probably died from them soon after. The reason they were found meters away from the shelter in the ravine was either their friends moved them there after they died, or the ravine might have been the first shelter they dug, and the snow collapsed on them later in the spring. Notably the 3 who died of trauma injuries were all found here and they were also among the best dressed, indicating they died before hypothermia kicked in. The non-injured members may have climbed the tree trying to get a good view of the mountain to assess what was going on, and if it was safe to venture back to the tent. While they were up there they cut some branches for the fire. Why didn't the find a knife? With hands shaking with cold, they likely dropped it. It may be there hidden in the branches somewhere. As for everything else, reports say was incredibly cold... up to 40 below... so once the adrenaline subsided, hypothermia likely kicked in quickly, and that would have effected their decision making which explains all the other stuff they may have done that doesn't make sense.

[@ReconPro]

😊❤

[@patrickternus1790]

It was meteors

[@Debs9150]

As you know Govt investigation did not consider anything other than natural causes. Do believe that nothing can be definitive about the site when evidence not collected or recorded diligently. Also questions have always existed about whether the tent was cut from inside or out. Have seen examination that suggests external cut. We could all go on and on with opinions. Still hard to believe that any natural occurrence would make all nine people panic and leave tent. (Including katabatic winds). Experienced hardy individuals that would not be affected uniformly by natural event. Also disorientation couldn’t possibly affect them all in same way. No credible explanation for abandonment of tent to this day and pertinent to story. Why on earth would they all attempt to reach cache?? Injuries of all have irregularities. Serious injuries of those near den can’t have occurred elsewhere than where they were found surely? Sounds ridiculous to me that they would’ve been carried when bodies left by cedar and injuries differed between the four. Obviously extreme injuries would mean they were going nowhere themselves. Don’t see why garment would be checked for radiation and find it red herring personally. Other hikers and Mansi in general area. So many details to consider. No way to have timeline but can’t exclude foul play IMO and hard not to lean in that direction. Perhaps they do not know and failure to find answers embarrassment in itself. So many details to question. Guess we’ll never know and no theories satisfy. Wish Zolitariov (Soz spelling) got to write something in that notebook. Personally don’t think of them as just college kids. Different culture with different expectations of young people, different ideas and behaviour. No doubt we’ll keep discussing😊

[@Sollinare]

Aaargh. They needed to submit all this because it's for sports certification. You could go hiking just taking a vacation. But for it to be counted toward sportive certification they had to submit it to Polithech tourism committee. Which was their emiting committee. They were from there so they deed it like meh, it's ok as it is. As one of girls was in it iirr. It's done the same way today, but now this committeies are not so much intertvined with political parties.

[@mkaylor121]

Not a&e but travel channel

[@dD-iv9tz]

the avalanche makes no sense why is there foot prints

[@dw28sdm]

We all know it was a yeti

[@TheMonkePrince]

The Russians created their version of the X men and thats what happened at Dyatlov

[@cgw3186]

And Aiden, you're a medieval history nerd so how on God's green earth have you managed to avoid running into the SCA? That's almost as baffling as the Dyatlov incident... 😂

[@Beyondtopsecret1]

The winds theory is completely ridiculous. You think they ran out to death cuz of wind??? Give me a break

[@calvinengle2020]

Have you ever heard of down drafts(catabatic winds) on a mountain? The drafts can get to above hurricane 5 force winds and the tents catch the wind.. people have flown off everest and other tall mountains while still in the tent because of these winds... you have to slice both sides so the winds can blow through it or it's gone

[@PhoenixLyon]

There are high and low frequencies inaudible to human ears that can cause confusion, uneasiness and pure terror. So, yes, it is possible.✌️😺

[@jf2849]

Missing Enigma is great but Lore Lodge not so much. They have good subject matter just bad takes on things. I really wish I liked these guys more because I am greatly interested in the topic.

[@Ilovedallthepeople]

I like the video, but please stop cutting off your guest when he tries to speak. It happens during the entire video. Just let your guests finish talking.