The Mystery of Hebrew Vowels: Ancient Evidence That Changes Everything

[@ChristopherAlsruhe-si9ff]

In my study of Hebrew, I learned that the vowel points were created in the first century.

[@truthwatchers3405]

I can trace the vowels back to the 1st century from ancient literature, and suspect they go much deeper in history. Other Jewish texts make the claims of the Hebrew vowels and accents extending back to Ezra and sometimes even to Moses. Ancient Rabbinic literature is not the most historically reliable, but the common claim that the vowels were invented in A.D. 500-1000 should definitely be rejected.

[@munbruk]

Dan Mclellan: Differences between medieval Masoretic texts and dead sea scrolls almost in every verse. It is not only vowels only, the Whole Bible had been redacted over and over again. Why we don't see manuscripts before 12 c? Very suspicious.

[@truthwatchers3405]

Dan Mclellan is not a valid source for information. As an instructor at a Mormon university, he obviously has a biased reason to reject the Bible. Furthermore, he hardly represents what is presented by scholars who have actually studied the DSS. The claim the Bible was redacted over and over again is not true, nor the comment that we don't have MSS before the 12 c. The Alleppo Codex is dated as A.D. 900, and we have hordes of Rabbinic literature predating this that have abundant quotations from the Hebrew Scripture to reconstruct the Bible and validate the accuracy and preservation.

[@juenmmonterrey7767]

in other words, the lying scribes not only added vowel points, they also purposedly changed them...

[@truthwatchers3405]

Your conclusion is far from what I was suggesting. The exact opposite was intended. The scribes did not invent the Vowels in A.D. 500-1000. The vowels existed long before that, and the scribes accurately preserved the manuscripts.

[@juenmmonterrey7767]

@@truthwatchers3405 the lying pen of the scribes......... i prefer to go with what jesus teaches, 100% they changed the vowels BECAUSE THEY WANTED AND HATE JESUS AND THE TRUTH

[@juenmmonterrey7767]

im going to say something, before watching the video... its very unpopular because almost all love the ea, yah sound..but that sound was assyrian in origin, and its not hayah asher hayah , its Eyeh asher Eyeh...word in babylonian arameric (who people stupidly say its modern hebrew) iah , , ah endings are femenine and in amost all words, if it ends in AH its catastrophicor a negative meaning compare dto EH, he endings...

[@truthseeker9070]

The same argument that it is not Yahweh can also be applied that it is not "Jesus" The same argument about tradition hides the true pronunciation can also be applied to "Jesus" Ancient Hebrew does not have "J" to start with and the "Jesus" is a hybrid name. All of these topics can be destroyed if you continue using the name "Jesus". Anyways thanks, for the great discussion,

[@truthwatchers3405]

The use of the "J" is more complex to understand the translation methods historically. English is strongly based on Greek and Latin etymology. The "I" in ancient Latin was translated into the English as either "i" or "y". The early English "J" was pronounced as the "Y" and they were therefore phonetic equivalent. Hence the English "J" was used to distinguish the "y" and "i" sounds of the Latin. The name Jesus is based on the Greek spelling Ἰησοῦς. The Greek name begins with an Iota which is equivalent to the "I", but was exchanged for the "J" which would have brought it closer to the Hebrew pronunciation with the "y" sound. Technically, the Hebrew name would have been Yehoshua or equivalent to our English Joshua, meaning "Jehovah saves." I don't have a problem with the pronunciation of Jesus simply because languages evolve, and translating from other languages also has these nuances as they evolve. Similarly, the Hebrew "waw" is pronounced in modern Hebrew as "vav", a difference from the "w" sound to a "v". I don;t think it is appropriate to get stuck on a cultish mentality of strict phonetics pronunciation of letters as some groups do. However, with that being said, the difference between pronouncing Jehovah or Yahweh are completely different words, not just quibbles over the phonetics of a letter's pronunciation. Ill be doing a video on that soon.

[@truthseeker9070]

​@@truthwatchers3405 I got your point about the letter 'Y" vs "J" but the sound is clearly different. It is known that an Italian invented this letter "J" It is written the calling his name will mean salvation to us. It is written that he does not change. It is written "I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him" It is written that the people will hate those who follow him for the sake of his name. It is written that Mosheh proclaim his name to his people (for sure there was no J and V) Nothing the scriptures suggest that we have authority over his name. If we open the scriptures, it is clearly wrong to change his name. I don't think that it is a cultish thing to argue about his correct and full name (including his people as most of them contain his set-apart name) There are a lot of movements that are used to remove or dropped letters in the biblical names. Especially the "H" or "W'

[@truthwatchers3405]

@@truthseeker9070 Two points I would like to make, though there is more worth saying. Your comment above, "It is written the calling his name will mean salvation to us." This comment followed by the essential thought expressed throughout your comment of needing to speak the name correctly seems to imply that salvation is only available to those who can pronounce God's name correctly. I don't think that is what your trying to imply, but it certainly comes off that way. And, there are cults that are teaching this concept. That is why I say it is cultish. The second point worth thinking through is how does one that argues for pronouncing God's name correctly fit with the fact that the gospel is to go to all languages? Just in the Bible we have Jesus name spelt in Greek, which is not the correct Hebrew pronunciation of His name. If the apostles and the Bible itself approves of the name of Jesus to be spread throughout the Roman empire as a Greek name, not the Hebrew, then it would be obvious that the name can be pronounced as it would be fitting to any other language (Matt 28:19-20; Mark 16:15-16; Acts 1:8; 28:28; 1 Cor 14:21-22; Col 1:23; Rev 7:9: 10:11; 11:9). The fact that the apostles spoke in tongues in the early missions further implies diverse pronunciations of Jesus name were used in the first century. Greek cannot duplicate the "sh" sound in the Hebrew form of the name for Jesus. So if God inspired the use of the Greek language which cannot correctly provide the accurate pronunciation, I find no problem with the "J" over "Y" sounds in modern English. Jehovah, and Jesus are accurate transliterations of the names for modern English. However, as I said before, the difference between pronouncing Jehovah or Yahweh are completely different words, not just quibbles over the phonetics of a letter's pronunciation. Ill be doing a video on that soon. Jesus is an accurate transliteration of the Greek spelling Ἰησοῦς. The KJV also gives accurate transliterations of other Greek spellings of Hebrew names, such as Esaias instead of Isaiah, or more technically, Yeshayahu.

[@truthseeker9070]

@@truthwatchers3405 its not me who will decide who will be save, but that is what is written. Regardless of what is our emotions, scriptures is scriptures. I don't put make that, it's not my words, it is written. I'm just saying that the sounds and pronunciation is surely very important concerning his name and sons name. Edit: There are Hebrew letters that has no equal sounds in Greek. Also Greek name always end with "S" thus it destroys or remove the essence of the "divine name" included in the proper name. I'm not being arrogant about these facts or arguments, I'm just amazed.