The myth of race, debunked in 3 minutes

[@ahutch4882]

She sounds like she can't even.

[@spanishinsurgent5793]

literally

[@xereeto]

Ad hominem, nice.

[@noname-gi6vd]

+xereeto wow, you must be fun at parties

[@Dongotta]

You must be the kind of person that believed the one guy and one girl populated the whole earth after eating some forbidden apple in a garden with a talking snake.

[@mimimilah1252]

Maybe try actually learning something from the video instead of mocking her vioce?

[@Azrael-me1tm]

Ah yes America; the only country on earth

[@manuj2868]

The world is America, didn't you know?

[@wakakabravo7998]

well vox isoriginally from US and US is one of few country that put race as big issue. u dont see people in japan or india talk uch about race because is not consider important there.

[@gorillaman283]

The US is the most racially diverse country in the world. Statistically speaking, every other country is much more racially and culturally homogenized than the USA, which is a reason why racial discussions/issues/history appreciation are very common in the US. Unfortunately, the more diverse a place, the more theoretical room for bigotry. Considering all these things, and that Vox is an American news company, publishing on an American platform, there isn't really anything wrong with having this video specifically pertain to the US.

[@johnathankeogh8097]

😂😂

[@ejecu]

FYI America is a continent. Thank you

[@panzerkampwagen9889]

She sounds as if she's tweeting while reading.

[@bobrolander4344]

More like shes talking through a gasmask.

[@rene9244]

Panzerkampwagen 😂😂 YOOO!!

[@TheAgentOfDeath]

shes just extra liberal thats all.

[@georgezeros2318]

She sounds like a valley girl. Gag me with a spoon.

[@chloe5854]

george white Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaas

[@ElwoodBluesAK]

Also Vox: White supremacist finds out he's 11% black after taking the DNA test.

[@fightfannerd2078]

ikr

[@goaheadmakemyday7126]

Yeah, so?

[@cloudytrichomes]

I see what you mean but that can also be used in their favor to further prove that race is a "myth" because they are using a DNA test to show someone who believes they are superior that they are also what they consider to be an "inferior race" (black). Therefore debunking this "myth".

[@rhodesian6526]

Nice picture, man

[@redfritz3356]

That's great! So at least 11% of this person matters.

[@adambrown1837]

What's funny is, genetically speaking, skin color is probably the worst way to separate 'races' and yet it's been the most important factor throughout history. The only thing skin color can accurately predict is how close that person, or his/her ancestors was to the equator. The closer you are to the equator, the darker your skin is.

[@metfan98101]

Just learned about this in my AP Bio class that is not always the case. Eskimos who live in the frigid North Canada all share dark skin in fact darker than some Blacks. They are possibly farthest away from the equator a human could actually live. Yet, they have lived there for milleniums.

[@adambrown1837]

metfan98101 Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me about that; I had heard it too, but can't remember why. Wasn't it because of the extra brightness from the snow reflecting sunlight?

[@fringeelements]

"and yet it's been the most important factor throughout history" Well that's obviously wrong. Japanese were never considered "white" even though they have lighter skin than most Europeans. And Australian Aborigines were always recognized as being a separate race from the African races (yes, plural) at least as far back as 1870 when Aldous Huxley put forth a taxonomy of races, and probably long before that. People who imagine that skin color was a big deal historically are just projecting their own knowledge that the colloquial terms "white" and "black" and "colored" were used, and imagining that this is what people in the past literally thought race was.

[@dynevor16]

so why are Eskimos darker than Europeans?

[@fringeelements]

Dynevor Shannon to deal with greater UV radiation reflected off the snow, and the thinner ozone layer at the arctic circle.

[@jonathanpchamberlin]

“Everything is a social construct” -Vox

[@fenistereinc.5797]

At least race is an american invention

[@apollothesungod9832]

Fenistere Inc. Tf?

[@ChickSage]

How do you figure that race is an American invention?

[@MK-hs9ck]

Chick Sage He probably thinks that American scientists are sitting in a room rubbing their hands together manufacturing different races with different average IQs, blood testosterone levels, bone structures, skull types, delayed gratification, etc. You have to understand who you're dealing with, these are the same people that claim men and women are interchangeable and one in the same.

[@ChickSage]

I don't know if they're one in the same but I believe he is mistaken, about the origin of the concept of race :(

[@triuberit]

Am I the only one annoyed by her voice

[@moogle68]

The inflection in her voice as she finishes sentences is pretty annoying to me for some reason as well.

[@quarkiex]

Irked me so much

[@DMIwriter]

She has a sort of valley girl inflection, but without your typical valley girl vocabulary. But accents are just a myth. They aren't passed down by families and cultures, it's really just more of a social construct.

[@emilyshmelimy]

she ends her sentences as if they were questions. like the girl who went to band camp in american pie.

[@sajikun101]

Yeah, it bothered me too. But I didn't want to say anything unless someone else did. lol

[@stoodmuffinpersonal3144]

"Race doesn't exist, but racism does." Need to rewatch that ted talk, too

[@First4ci]

@@collinvargo5787 its primary genetic wich makes it a part of society

[@andyschuler7138]

@@First4ci u talking about the genes of specific races?

[@andyschuler7138]

@@collinvargo5787 yeah, that's what I wanted to say. I'm an anthropology student and English isn't my first language so I wanted to make sure what he meant before responding to his comment

[@andyschuler7138]

@@collinvargo5787 I'm on your side fella 😌

[@robelsac]

What ted talk is that? Sounds interesting. Plus any other videos on the issue of race and it’s history that anyone suggests? Thanks

[@ConnecticutEmporium]

2:17 Race isn't real. It's just a word they use as a placeholder to mean where your ancestors came from.... Wait. What?

[@hre2044]

It's like saying ethnicity isn't real and phenotypes aren't real lol.

[@wakakabravo7998]

what is wrong with that statement ?

[@nycholaus]

@1salvaje Oh we are not confused. Vox is.

[@codejjm]

Why is that so hard to comprehend?

[@cyberbonebob538]

I actually some what agree race is just a word a word that was meant too help identify you and what your origins are but now it's just a word that causes division amongst people well now that I think about it I fully agree

[@TheMcKenzieHaus]

Her voice was so painful to listen too 😫

[@Agorante]

Her ideas too.

[@dedg0st]

Patrick Boyle no, the general consensus among contemporary scientists. enjoy the dustbin of history.

[@TheSienna29]

She should sound professional.

[@nichoalsnastari8335]

C.L Mckenzie I think of camp camp frowned campn

[@dias8726]

Patrick Boyle she literally has research to back it up

[@rafe5309]

If race doesn’t exist you can’t call someone racist.

[@goodluckgorsky3413]

No. Race is only a way to describe someone’s relation to privilege, being discriminatory against people with a different relation is still racist

[@elainesabatino7467]

"We defeated the wrong enemy." -General George S. Patton

[@elainesabatino7467]

@Gabrieldragonslayer69 Thanks! 😎👌

[@elainesabatino7467]

@SEB 😝👌

[@peloentupantalla7768]

@@tyronejohnson5635 cope

[@kittycubeenterprises7276]

@@tyronejohnson5635 makes it even more epic

[@chowderwhillis9448]

@NesiaWaffen exactly, we’ve all lost in the end

[@korppi164]

The woman's voice was really annoying

[@notinterested8452]

Yes it was very bad.

[@jamescarrico1233]

Extremely

[@carltaylor4942]

Horrible voice, really horrible. I switched off after a minute and that crap background music! Aaaagh!

[@PatKittle]

I think I lasted 10 seconds.

[@paavoojala]

Lumpy Space Princess

[@SuperUnbeliever]

Equality is a social construct.

[@1LIFEtoWIN]

claude bawls Your name, your country, your gender, your political & religious beliefs, & your words are also social constructs.

[@1LIFEtoWIN]

claude bawls Using it isn't pretentious at all, don't be so sensitive about it, it's just technical ass shit, Countries exist & so does race.

[@nfnmrm9652]

yes let elites rule you because we don't need equality

[@calebfultz6797]

+claude bawls But a good one.

[@SuperUnbeliever]

Caleb Fultz Hence, inequality is a biological construct.

[@DrLayman]

Let me get this straight. Because the USA have regulary changed definitions of race, because a few people who do not clearly belong to a single race identify as a certain race, because ''people'' can't prove ''people'' wrong - because of all that, race doesn't exist? This is one of the most ignorant statements I've ever had to hear. Let me give you a few counter examples: The ''cheeseburger'' has changed shape, weight, cheese and other ingredients regulary throughout history. What you consider a cheeseburger today has nothing to do with a cheeseburger in 1950. A Japanese Cheeseburger will taste quite differently to a European cheeseburger. Some people put eggs in their patty, others use low-gluten bums, yet others ommit the salad and use only ketchup. Therefore cheeseburgers don't exist. Marriage. In one culture you might marry several wifes, in another several men - in one you might marry only the opposite sex, in another you might marry whoever you like. One culture allows marriages only after a certain age, another culture does not make distinctions about this whatsoever. So marriage doesn't exist. The idea of race is a categorical construct, same as cheeseburgers or marriage - you select objective markers ( Such as certain Gene markers, certain bone structure markers, certain enzyme markers etc. ) and then you apply those markers with a CHOSEN threshold to the worlds population. Within one such categorical construct, you could say that, for instance, North Africans are ON AVERAGE white, in another such Cat.Con. you might say that they are ON AVERAGE black. The debate is not about whether or not there is such a thing as race, the debate is about which markers to select, as such this whole notion that it's '' only subjective '' is absolute garbage : You select objective markers on the basis of the data you currently have at hand. Everything, and I mean absolutely everything within Sociology, Philosophy, Psychology and even Economy, to a certain extent History and so on and so forth - they all work with this same exact approach. I fucking hate it when apeople with absolutely no clue about anything pretend to have any idea about academic topics, especially topics that are currently ''trendy'' and ''hip''.

[@EvilDeathNightmare]

based

[@FinrodFelagund5]

ReichHop Don't believe the media hype. Most people do not practice race mixing: occamsrazormag.wordpress.com/2015/01/16/genetics-white-americans-are-very-white/

[@FinrodFelagund5]

ReichHop Your loss.

[@iluvshawndx]

Race doesn't exist in the sense that it is a social construct. It isn't a real concept in that it is only real because we choose to acknowledge it. If everyone stopped mentioning race, it wouldn't exist. That is why it is a myth. The fact that it's definitions keeps changing to the point in which, we're just making it as convenient as possible for empirical claims, means that it isn't a real thing. It is an attempt to discredit arguments aimed towards race, and possibly discuss a more real issue.

[@FinrodFelagund5]

Herp Derp Racism doesn't exist in the sense that it is a social construct. It isn't a real concept in that it is only real because we choose to acknowledge it. If everyone stopped mentioning racism, it wouldn't exist. That is why it is a myth. The fact that it's [sic] definitions keeps changing to the point in which, we're just making it as convenient as possible for advancing certain socio-political agendas, means that it isn't a real thing. It is an attempt to shutdown debate about race and also other real issues that are deemed politically incorrect.

[@WhoThisMonkey]

Yet, if you say "I don't believe in the concept of race." in a public forum, most times you'll be attacked personally for it

[@sjacks3281]

Semantics sort of Saying that race is a social construct is slightly different Race is still a thing Like actual paper money has no inherent value But it is valuable based on the social and economic importance the society gives it Same with race

[@WhoThisMonkey]

@@sjacks3281 I don't personally see the concept as having any real worth, it only seems to divide us where division can only be detrimental.

[@nexgodmusicentertainment6323]

That’s because people will be arguing a point your not making. Race doesn’t exist scientifically . BUT because humans have used race to seperate and demonize it DOES exist Socially. You would be talking scientifically and they would be taking socially. You both are right it’s just that humans don’t know how to have a civil conversation anymore.

[@Wiseman108]

@Mr Sandiep Yes and honestly it doesn't matter if you are a Racist, or an Anti-Racist, either way you are giving the concept more control over our lives.

[@LenkaAryaGrowler]

@Mr Sandiep I've been saying this for ages and people don't seem to understand! Let's make this a thing! Let's abolish the term "race"!

[@danniaddams5502]

The problem isn't being a different race from someone else. The problem is being treated differently/mistreated because you're a different race from the next person. Sure, maybe things would be simpler if we all look the same, but really, I think we'd just find something else to use as a basis to determine whether one person is better than someone else. That just seems to be the way humans operate. Someone always has to find something that makes them feel they're better than someone else. Apparently, being equal isn't enough.

[@getoveryourself.7516]

Right but not everybody gets treated the same throughout their lifetime based on their skin. A tan person, depending on who they come in contact with can either be mistreated or praised. It’s objective not specific.

[@CCQ75]

Nevertheless NO ONE is from a different race because... THERE ARE NOT DIFFERENT HUMAN RACES! There's only one race: HUMAN RACE!

[@lewisflowers5757]

No such thing as human race! We have different backgrounds!! Different origins. Race in America is important

[@cosmo588]

@@lewisflowers5757 yes, but we are still the same species. We may have slightly differing genetics or different physical traits, but we are all humans. Not that hard to comprehend.

[@random6033]

Race is just a bunch of meaningless differences that some people blow out of proportion to divide people. Biologically race has no meaning and humans have no subcategories.

[@Username47948]

Race is a social construct in the same way the periodic table is a social construct. People assign names and categories in an attempt to delineate real world groups

[@andrew.macdonald]

+Username47948 true fact

[@rashad123us]

+Username47948 Except carbon is still carbon no matter what you call it or where you are, whereas the same cannot be said about race.

[@andrew.macdonald]

+Rashad if your skin is black, you are black. it doesn't matter what your called

[@rashad123us]

+Andrew MacDonald Who actually has "black" skin? Melanin is brown, it makes up the color of our eyes, hair, and skin. I know plenty of people who don't even have brown or "black" skin yet they are referred to as "black"

[@fuzzzvibe]

Rashad, you shouldn't need this concept explained to you. You're brown, you should know better.

[@georgechristiansen6785]

Wow. That debunked it? Just because the distinctions are not completely settled doesn't mean they do not exist.

[@AcousticJamesSGP]

+George Christiansen I wouldn't take "doesn't exist" at face value. The video is trying to show that race doesn't exist as biological or even social fact rather than doesn't exist as a cultural categorisation system.

[@georgechristiansen6785]

Tiny McMcMc Yes. I am aware of what they tried and failed to prove.

[@ashleyashleym2969]

+George Christiansen Even if they did exist at one point, humans are mixing back together. Just because someone is very phenotypically different doesn't mean they're genetically very different. The only reason genetic testing still works is because we pin the general majority geographical location of where your DNA most typically looks like. Have you heard of the black man who's ancestry is European? If race did exist this wouldn't happen.

[@georgechristiansen6785]

Ashley ASHLEYM Yes we are much like mixed breed dogs and becoming more and more so and I am not even arguing that there is much to do with the info that there are in fact different breeds of humans, but to pretend they are not to be PC and for fear of racism is just cowardly BS.

[@zlkanglwrth2776]

+George Christiansen I agree, this video said it "debunked" race... but it didnt, it just told me that people in the 1700 who didnt had the concept of DNA where able to use visual and behavioral cues to differenciate humans because we all have differences. It only shows that some people dont agree on exactly what biological markers define the concept of race. It didnt debunk anything

[@aannoonn]

"When the medical community links race to health outcomes, it's really just using race as a substitute for other factors, such as where your ancestors came from". So... it's real.

[@poody771]

Geographical ancestry and race aren't the same thing.

[@MATHMAN-qz3de]

No that is exactly ​@@poody771

[@poody771]

​@@MATHMAN-qz3deNo it isn't.

[@TeaParty1776]

I believe some causes of diseases are in some physical groups, eg, blacks, Jews. Evolutionary variations explain this just as it explains height differences. But evo variations dont exxplain moral character. Racism is, among other things, a rationalization of unearned moral status, ie, the hatred of mans need for moral decisions. This is common human experience, applicable equally to cannibals and Hollywood movie directors. Racism-Ayn Rand

[@NanakiRowan]

@@TeaParty1776 Well you "believe" wrong. There are no human diseases that only affect one group of humans.

[@horror7927]

What I can never understand is when you filling out an application for anything it will always say under law its illegal to discriminate against race but yet right above it or below it will ask you what race are you? But why tho?

[@libbybollinger5901]

Ric Dweld statistics, I’d imagine. Or at least that’s the excuse.

[@adamant5550]

For one, you don't have to put anything. Secondly, those categories come from the very racist 1920s where whites were afraid of new immigrants (Chinese, Jews, etc.), so they reduced "race" to simply skin color. In the 19th century race was a much broader concept included skin color, ethnicity, and religion.

[@bilboblaggins7659]

Asking what race someone is, is not the same as discrimination. Alotvof many people today are being hired because they are not white, because companies want to be seen to be diverse

[@boi_cheddar1755]

@@bilboblaggins7659 that's messed up

[@CCQ75]

@@bilboblaggins7659 But there are white people from many different countries. What makes you think that white people only exist in the USA?

[@alexbroGellungaRunga]

Wow Vox, thanks for this amazing conclusion. "There is no such thing as race, but the idea of race is important, but it's also not important".

[@erica.7231]

The idea of race is culturally important in some conditions but means little genetically

[@duskears8736]

I think perhaps she was getting 'race' and heritage confused. I see people do that a lot and usually as soon as I point out that they're talking about heritage or culture rather than 'race' most seem to get it right away. Unless of course they're sporting a Confederate flag, but who tries to reason with those people anyway?

[@duskears8736]

Yeah, it's annoying to have to stop and explain every time I say the word 'Mexican' that I ACTUALLY mean someone from Mexico.

[@xesolor]

+Duskears race, in this instance, is "heritage", it's something like a stereotype people identify with and prescribe to, like nationalities and any other human-constructed ideology or concept. Unless you're thinking of "race" as if it's a medical, scientific proof of different peoples according to region, in which case the scientific result is a resounding NO - people with the same genetic makeup can come from different regions, appear with different looks, hone structures and skin tones, so your idea of race that separates humanity based on geographic origins DOES NOT EXIST. It is just an easy, superficial means people categorise others based on appearances alone, which have NO scientific proof whatsoever, as as explained before, is in direct contradiction to scientific discoveries of distinct genetic groups that have nothing to do with skin colour or national borders. Your concept of race then, is culture, the culture or different people who subscribe to different ideologies and behaviour patterns. That's in the realms of socioeconomics and anthropology, not genetic science.

[@samiabe8686]

God doesn't exist, but the fact that people think he does has greatly impacted humans throughout history.

[@elliegray8184]

This video isn't saying that race doesn't exist... It's saying "legal definitions of race are stupid". But I'm not even sure the video's aware of what it's trying to say. "It's really using race in place of other factors, such as ancestry." I dunno how you can say being asian as a race is different from having a majority of your ancestors be from parts of asia. That just seems like needlessly splitting hairs. If the idea is to try and remove/fight prejudice, just removing the *word "Race"* will do absolutely nothing. The word isn't what brings hate.

[@ultrafalken2755]

When this video talks about race, they talk about race as in taxonomy which is the most popular way of describing race, especially in race realist groups. The breakthroughs in molecular biology in the last decades (like seuencing and micro array? have proven that genetically speaking there is no such thing as race. What makes matters even more complicated is epigenetics which meakes twins not exactly the same. Basically, humans are individually different and not racially.

[@Lundy.Fastnet.Irish_Sea]

Asian isn't even a race if you define race by differences between groups of people. Native Indonesians, Chinese, and Indians are all Asians, yet people say "asian" is a race.

[@milascave2]

Quite right. And for that matter, Arabs, some of them at least, are Asians, too. But look, Asia and Europe aren't evan different continents. They are one solid land mass, no water between them. Europe and Asia are, in fact, social constructs. Troll that all you want, nazis, but it's still true.

[@Honest_and_Truthful]

What brings "hate" is groups being forced to live together. It's unnatural and evil. Personally, I want to solve all racial problems by keeping the races in separate countries, as is natural.

[@milascave2]

It's natural for people to move around. Otherwise, we would all still be living in South Africa, where we began, and would not have evolved those small differences that makeup race. But yea, go ahead with your plan to move the majority of humans around so that none of them live near people who look different from them, and then force them all to stay put. Let me know how it goes.

[@mojtabahakimi8082]

I'm not sure but did she "Debunk" anything?

[@TweSunshine]

@Conor ---- what 1800s eugenics literature did you pull this from??

[@greatnessawaits4151]

@Conor ---- Are you actually serious right now?

[@johnprice3107]

@Conor ---- your racist.

[@johnprice3107]

We all come from Africa

[@Mswordx23]

@Conor ---- You misunderstand how evolution works. "Evolve" doesn't mean "get better" and "devolve" isn't a thing.

[@xOnizukax]

Since I notice a lot of confusion on the term "Hispanic," I want to help on clarifying somethings. Originally, the word Hispanic was used to create a distinction between English speaking whites (Anglo) and Spanish speaking whites (Hispanic). That has change, nowadays the term "Hispanic" is used to classify all people of ancestry of Spanish speaking countries making it a ethnic group (meaning sharing a similar culture) not a racial group. I see a lot of people using the word "Hispanic" synonymous as being the same of mixed race and that is simply not accurate. The association is use because the biggest racial group in Latin America is mestizo which mean mixed and it is understood as being half-white and half-indigenous. But a Hispanic could be any race as long you are born in a Spanish speaking countries or have ancestry from it. You could be both white and Hispanic, you could be Asian and Hispanic, you could be black and Hispanic, and you could be mixed. I am white for example because my family is from Spain (and yes I could trace my family tree) specifically from both Galicia and the Canary Islands. Also, there is some people who only associate the term Hispanic with just being white of Spaniard descent but that is disputed.

[@TokyoBalletReprise]

ThePridefulRogue facts

[@kindnessfirst9670]

All true. About 66% of American Latinos are white. Which makes the use of the term "non- hispanic white" confusing.

[@AK-xi5vy]

Hispanic originally comes from Roman word Hispania which was used to describe the area of Spain and Portugal(today known as Iberian peninsula)

[@davidmccarroll2280]

On that last bit I'm pretty sure Hispanic is just for those of Latin American origin I've never heard of a person from Spain or someone like me who has Spanish decent (ik I've got a Celtic name) but living in New Zealand called Hispanic. I can see why that's disputed it's kind of like a faux identity kinda like people in US using hypenated terms like Irish-American when they don't have dual citizenship they only using it cause their great great great great grandparents came from said place

[@bilboblaggins7659]

Hispanic means "of Spain" or "from Spain" Hispania is the Latin word for Spain. Spain was called Hispania under the roman empire. I don't think it makes sense to say an Asian person can be Hispanic.

[@billyt8868]

why does the tone of her voice make me feel like she is arguing with me?

[@namanverma1282]

She can't even

[@Abdulis2cool]

the "vocal fry" is strong in this one

[@tarends90]

Since I know about this I can't unhear it in like almost every video 😓😤

[@hexx2211]

Ikr it's so annoying.

[@ToadetteToad1]

Everyone uses Vocal Fry, some more than others :)

[@tarends90]

but those who use it more, often sound reeeeally annoying :D :D

[@ToadetteToad1]

tarends Granted but a lot can't be helped. I think the person in the video may have had a hoarse voice, though, because hoarseness does increase Fry to protect the voice :) It could just be the person's voice, of course.

[@notapplicable2u]

This video would be so much better if she enunciated clearly and avoided trying to sound like a stylish young woman who doesn’t really care that much about what she’s saying.

[@cosmosisrose]

Agreed, disappointing narration

[@happyhippie1957]

People are missing the point. The very idea of race was invented, in 1776, with no basis in science, by people who didn't know enough to wash their hands before preforming surgery. There is no mention of race in any literature before that time. We are not different types of humans, we are just different shades of humans. Shades caused by living for generations in a specif geographical location, because of variations in the intensity of the sunlight. If you take a diverse group of humans and pair them with who they share the most DNA in common with within the group, race means nothing. It was all made up, then used to justify slavery.

[@AshtasticAcrobat]

@happy hippie EXACTLY SPOT ON

[@siloPIRATE]

This guy gets it

[@inheritable]

finally, a person who can think

[@erefemdroog7267]

No, it's not

[@saftheartist6137]

Yep, you’re right.

[@ATR-Sound]

Of course there isn't a race chromosome in our DNA. Our DNA isn't made up of chromosomes. Chromosomes are made FROM DNA, not the the other way around. If you're going make a biology based argument, at least have your facts straight.

[@underyourbreath331]

It really wouldn't matter what level of specificity she chose, the point would still be the same. There's no heritable chromosome, allele, or genetic marker or sequence that denotes a unique or specific race. The most a person could do is compare a person's entire sequence to a bank of other known people and take a best guess as to the general area their ancestors were from based on how common their alleles are in a given area. But even that only gets you so far. Certain phylogenetic traits may be more common in certain areas, but they're not absent throughout the rest of the world. What about Iranians with bright red hair and green eyes? Or Mexicans that are really pale? How would you differentiate Polynesians from SE Asians? What about people like Sandra Laing? Her point still stands.

[@missc2742]

Easy to debunk the "myth" of race when you are only considering it culturally. By saying that race doesn't exist because an individual may identify themselves with one that they do not appear to belong too, you should just as easily state that the sexes don't exist because some people might identify with a gender that they do not appear to belong to. Contrary to what you have stated in the video, you CAN prove them wrong or right with DNA testing. In both cases, the person is either right, wrong, or stuck between categories where they choose which one they will identify with on a cultural basis (NOT a biological one). Simply because I think that I am an ostrich does not mean that I will sprout feathers and grow a beak, though I may choose to behave as an ostrich and adhere to the cultural norms of ostriches and be accepted by an ostrich community. Similarly, me thinking that I am asian or male does not effect my biological makeup and make my physical structure change. A person can choose which culture they belong to, yes. But the culture belonging to a specific race is distinct from the race itself- obvious example being the African American culture VS. the hundreds of distinct African races and cultures that it stems from. They are different beyond belief due to the fact that the culture of both peoples is not dependent on their biological race, but on their unique history- even if some of them are of the exact same racial groups. I could reasonably claim to be an African American if I lived within that culture, but it would be silly for me to proclaim myself as black when I have close to no genetic material from that race and am quite pasty. Race exists. That doesn't mean that one race is superior to another, only that there are physical differences. Without ever meeting you, your DNA could reveal your genetic heritage- a hair from your head could reveal whether you are of European, Mongoloid, or Negroid origin by its scales and granule distribution. As the video mentioned, the lines between races are becoming increasingly blurry- that is obvious genetically. With our world as connected as it is and becoming increasingly accepting of diversity, more people are having children with people of other races, with the children inheriting physical traits of both. Eventually race will be bred out of existence- globalisation will get rid of groups that have previously been genetically isolated in their own race and sub-races. Simply because it is fading does not meant that it never existed. Humans living in certain areas for extended periods of time inevitably develop unique genetic makeups that can be categorised. That is race. Ask a genetic textbook if you don't like what I have to say.

[@singedrac]

Madame Catfish Have you had your DNA analyzed yet? :)

[@missc2742]

Yes.

[@singedrac]

"By saying that race doesn't exist because an individual may identify themselves with one that they do not appear to belong too, you should just as easily state that the sexes don't exist because some people might identify with a gender that they do not appear to belong to." Yay! You're learning things!

[@ichiboku1]

Madame Catfish you're getting confused between race and ethnicity. Race is categorization based on phenotypic markers. Ethnicity is categorization based on cultural markers.

[@missc2742]

ichiboku1 Exactly.

[@TeaParty1776]

This vid evades refuting claims of race. It merely discusses the political use of "race.'

[@poody771]

It merely refutes "race" actually.

[@TeaParty1776]

@@poody771 Your faith is strong. Evidence could only weaken it.

[@poody771]

It merely refutes it.

[@TeaParty1776]

@@poody771 Again, you evade identifying the alleged refutation. Your faith is strong. Evidence would only weaken it.

[@unknownroyalty895]

No. It explains why racial classifications are shaky, because they're based on how we define them, and proposes environmental reasons as a better conclusion for differences.

[@dontellahfonne]

All I hear is vocal fry.

[@stevenpdx]

D Tellafone It's unbearable. I had to stop watching halfway through because of the vocal fry.

[@lauralangham9657]

same

[@scrublord5760]

This is really stupid to be honest...

[@mhypersonic]

+Scrub Lord nice projection

[@SuperHuia]

+Scrub Lord the biological truth is stupid? The statement you made is ignorant.

[@mhypersonic]

what biological truth is there really kiddo, the concept of race is purely subjective for social and economical purposes. if you honestly think the amount of 1 chemical, melanin in your skin and eyes is enough to dictate a separate category of people you are truly ignorant and racist. >B-B-But B-Bone structures r-right? yea people are totally looking at slight bone structure when calling people ''Blacks'' But hey You've been indoctrinated into believing a lie, I can't expect you to think for yourself.

[@SuperHuia]

+mhypersonic the biological truth>>> that all humans are one species and not divided into races "Kiddo"! Race is a construct ....and the claim above that the video was stupid was my objection ok????

[@scrublord5760]

wow you guys are both fucking idiots

[@phillynch4971]

Her voice isn't professional. Sounds like a teenage California girl

[@MrPipesarecalling]

I agree, sounds like a stoned Bay Girl

[@npip99]

+Phil Lynch I didn't notice that the first time, but then I rewatched it and it was quite annoying.

[@suk4honesty]

I literally am a teenage California girl and her voice is so over the top lmfao I feel like she's smirking the whole time

[@eruno_]

I think is just her natural Californian accent

[@ReflectorOFtheLight]

lol

[@alexanderg1935]

It's morbidly fascinating reading recent comments and comparing them to comments posted when this video was released. I don't know if it's generational or a result of social media maybe, but today's world is a far more hateful and ignorant place.

[@poody771]

It definitely isn't more than it has been lol. Anyways videos like these tend to attract racists like flies.

[@Nitro.Zeus.]

After Trump's election, many grotesque beings began to manifest themselves in profusion.

[@AA-ed6ek]

@@poody771 Like yourself?

[@1ProtonProductions1]

A race chromosome HAHA. She must not know anything about genetics. There are genes that account for different genes. Obviously there aren't race chromosomes, but yes, different races have different GENES! Genotypes that cause different phenotypes like dark or light skin as well as facial appearance, height, susceptibility to certain illnesses, etc. define a person's race. Race definitely exists.

[@1ProtonProductions1]

***** It doesn't matter. race still exists.

[@1ProtonProductions1]

***** no, Asians, black people, white people etc. all have similar physical characteristics within their groups including skin color, hair type, and average body mass. Race exists hands down.

[@1ProtonProductions1]

+Ian Morris I can see your point man

[@nicoby309]

+Ian Morris Of course there is, the exact same thing can be said about lowland gorillas and mountain gorillas yet nobody has a problem with considering them separate species! Lewontin's Fallacy is the name for what you arguing. While Lewontin's statements on variability are correct when examining the frequency of different alleles (variants of a particular gene) at an individual locus (the location of a particular gene) between individuals, it is nonetheless possible to classify individuals into different racial groups with an accuracy that approaches 100 percent when one takes into account the frequency of the alleles at several loci at the same time. Only an idiot would argue that there aren't real differences between races or even ethnic groups(Ashkenazi Jews comes to mind). Traits do not need to be universal for it to justify the classification of a race or even species, what utter bullshit. Even between different species there is often no universal traits, so what kind of a silly fucking argument is this? Do you have any idea of what you're even talking about? How it goes against pretty much everything in biology??

[@trojan88tm]

this is an embarrassingly bad video. who did the research on this one? what makes a person from a specific race can be pointed to. it's a specific collection of genes that are geographically related to one's ancestors. it has no distinct black and white lines, yes, but that does NOT mean race does not exist lol. furthermore, saying that "race" was made up by some guy in 1776 and using that as an argument is really really (really) dumb. simply because a person finally put a term to the thing doesn't mean that it was invented. words are labels, and putting or not putting a word to a thing does not define its existence. we are all the same species, we are not all the same race, and i know the point of this video was to debunk justifications for racism, but it is seriously misplaced. you don't have to try to erase something to make the point that we are all humans, regardless of race, and that alone is enough reason to not be racist. it's also funny how this video is about how race doesn't actually exist but then the video ends by saying that what race you are is important and this video isn't meant to minimize the hardship that certain races experience. congrats on that feat of ridiculous.

[@trojan88tm]

***** i don't know what race you are. we could be the same race! wouldn't that be fun. however, like i said in the OC, race is a loosely defined combination of genetic variation that is related to a particular ancestry; we chose to call this variation "race." i can't prove to you we are of different (or similar) races over youtube. you'd need a genetic test for that. i believe there are some offered commercially if you're that interested. don't confuse my defense of the existence of race as a defense of racism or otherwise discrimination based upon such genetic variation.

[@williandefaria2079]

+certioremfacere You just destroyed your own argument. You attempted to use science to prove that race is real, and then stated "It has no distinct black and white lines." Science is about categorizing, especially in biology, and in order to do so there must be distinct features which make each category. Race is not scientific at all. In fact, a black person who is 6 foot 6 is more genetically similar to a white person who is 6 foot 6, or an Asian person who is 6 foot 6, or a Native American who is 6 foot 6, than an black person who is 5 foot 3. And notice how I used race to prove my point, that is because what this video tried to explain, and what clearly flew over your head, was that race is not SCIENTIFIC but rather is a SOCIAL TOOL. You cannot prove someone is of a certain race from their genetics because genes are incredibly complicated and intertwined, however, you can say a person is of a certain race from what they look like, and the way they look superficially is determined by so little genes that are extremely sensitive that it would be redundant to scientifically classify that. However, as the video points out, race does exist because of society, and it is not necessarily a bad thing. Race is typically an important part of culture, and it is easily used to identify people based on racial characteristics, BUT IT IS NOT SCIENCE.

[@samiabe8686]

+certioremfacere hard to accept isn't it?

[@ashleyashleym2969]

+certioremfacere Not at all. It's pointing out that the invention of the idea of race is what propagated slavery and the negative things that happened on history because people used this invention to other people, to say they were less human. Your skin color and your face shape and all of that have differences and you can generally classify people into those phenotypes, but if you look at the genotype there are no real differences. I think the persistence of the idea of race allows racists to have an excuse to justify their racist opinions. I think the eradication of the idea of race (not the history, always need to teach history so people don't repeat mistakes) will decrease racism and promote the idea of we're all one people, we can't other each other and say they're less human because we'd have no base for that claim. Of course people can create the us vs. them mentality with other things, but doing away with something that doesn't exist in the first place I think is a step in the right direction and to crush the idea that we're different because we're not. This will at least lessen racism because now if you're a racist you're automatically an idiot instead of it just being more likely that you're an idiot.

[@wiiztec]

+certioremfacere People often confuse race and ethnicity, in reality there are 3 races that in different mixes make up all ethnicities. they are defined by skull shapes

[@samueldelacruz2659]

Is something wrong with her voice?

[@wynandsp]

The vocal fry is strong in her.

[@MK-hs9ck]

She's trying to sound condescending.

[@jirrelljohnson3328]

She high

[@newperve]

"When the medical community links race to health outcomes" They are saying that the category "race" is useful enough and therefore coherent enough, that predictions can be made using it. That is the definition of an accurate category. The admission that medical professionals use that category is an admission that it's NOT a social construct.

[@TheAmateurPodcast]

What is race?? Is it based on historical geography? Or is it level of melanin ? I don't doubt that those have effects on medical needs, white folks are more likely to have skin cancer. Black folks are more likely to be vitamin D deficient. The problem is that melanin production or lack thereof seems to be linked as a cause of behavior and value that have been completely unfounded and this would seem to be the origin of its use.

[@teddycooke8145]

@@TheAmateurPodcast there are clear differences on almost every level. If such differences between human races existed among an animal group, they would be considered sub-species.

[@newperve]

@@TheAmateurPodcast "What is race?? Is it based on historical geography? Or is it level of melanin ? It's based on genetics and therefore ancestry, which naturally maps with historical geography going back far enough (because you couldn't have children with people 1,000 miles away). The fact that you bring up melanin levels means you don't understand how genetic works, there are plenty of people who are "Black" who have little to no melanin, they're called "Albinos". Nobody I know of is claiming melanin production is linked as a cause of behavior. What's being claimed by some is that African racial ancestry is linked as a cause to behavior. Whether you believe that or not is another matter, but you don't even know the basics of what's being claimed and why. The claim that the "race" construct was created to explain behavior being linked to melanin production is simply not true. Nobody thought that a partly Black person with the same level melanin as a Japanese person was the same race.

[@newperve]

@@bossshxtonly Then why can I make better decisions about someone's health using a racial categorization? That's the definition of a valid category, that you can make better decisions/predictions with it.

[@billbillerton6122]

@@newperve I see you haven't gotten a response to your query in 8 months..

[@MisterF_1984]

There might not be a hard and fast definition for the difference between Royal Blue and Navy Blue, but that doesn't mean there's no such thing as colour.

[@ChickSage]

Actually, I think royal blue and navy blue are pretty clearly defined, using hex triplet, sRGB, CMYK or RSV. Personally, I wouldn't say that there is no such thing as race but a universally accepted definition for racial divisions, doesn't seem to exist.

[@dantheman6888]

Chick Sage so your gripe is wording then. Not that we are in fact different and can be grouped by that way

[@kindnessfirst9670]

Her point is that race is subjective- as is color sometimes.

[@DunkeyIsBlack]

You sure can deny a lot of science in 3 minutes

[@DunkeyIsBlack]

@Racialist Slayer you don't know much about science, do you?

[@thinkbetter5286]

This doesn't deny anything.

[@noobish]

what science?

[@phiteb]

Didn't deny anything

[@notnero5280]

Your “science” is just outdated/misinterpreted research.

[@brucenatelee]

There is genetic history related to indigenous people of a region, but if you draw a line on the map from place to place, you can sometimes see how physical traits slightly shift based on region as though it's not absolute what it meant to be generally black, white, Asian, Middle Eastern, Amerindian, etc. How people are treated should just be that, equal and fair.

[@truthskr7127]

💯 well said

[@asdawasda]

Pure facts

[@katakuri2470]

Compare a group of Croatians to Haitians. Denying race is denying reality.

[@WhyfallinLUVwhenUcanfallasleep]

Race does not exist in the human species. Denying that is denying the reality. It’s simple science

[@katakuri2470]

Réno Boni Try putting the Sentinelese into a society then.

[@alexabplanalp4455]

@@katakuri2470 What does that have to do with anything? The sentilese wouldn't be comfortable in our society, therefore they're a different race? That's some odd logic you have there.

[@lukasmccain3529]

Random User I think what he was trying to say is that if you put a group of people that have an average IQ of 70 into a society of an average IQ of 100 they won’t fit in. Fair point

[@lukasmccain3529]

Random User of you really believe that evolution stopped with humans then you’re hopeless. Your a lemming someone who is incapable of critical thinking.

[@virvisquevir3320]

Are breeds of dogs real - great dane, german shepherd, chihuahua, etc. - or are they also just made up categories?

[@earlymanproductions8863]

@Post-Nazbol Jucheism that's pseudoscientific

[@daniel_joseph]

Of course they are made up. We didn't inherit or derive these categories from the universe or from nature. Somewhere in our history someone notices certain canines look similar in some aspect in a manner that is heriditory and then invented a name for this easthetic

[@thedemonhater7748]

I didn’t know that human evolutionary differences were in any way shape or form similar to the artificially selective breeding of differences between different dog breeds.

[@virvisquevir3320]

Thedemonhater - Whether the effects of breeding was "natural" or "artificial " is irrelevant to the point this video is trying to make. They're trying to argue that human races aren't "real". I am saying that they are as "real" as anything else. If you want to say that human races aren't "real", then to be consistent, you must say that dog breeds aren't "real" either. All human races can breed with all human races and all dog breeds can breed with all dog breeds. Yet, we have clear and obvious expectations of different behaviours from different dog breeds - aggressive pitbulls, friendly golden retrievers, caring St. Bernards, etc. The breeding - whether "natural" or "artificial" had effects. Effects are real.

[@thedemonhater7748]

@@virvisquevir3320 Well there isn't a lot of information on the subject. It's generally a mixed bag, though most scientists agree that breaking humans down into "races" really isn't scientific at all. Melanin is one component of the human genome. There are differing genes between wider groups of people, sure, but not on the scale you're thinking of-- that's been widely disproven.

[@mikehawk3120]

*#15 burger king foot lettuce*

[@ardentfire3956]

Based.

[@albinoobama3988]

didnt laugh like this in ages

[@josuebarboza9809]

I liked this comment some while ago but I can't remember why now. I don't get the reference anymore 😂😂

[@Bigram.sonsun]

This, debunked, Nothing.

[@jjr1728]

Well, obviously. It's by VOX - a JEWISH PUBLICATION

[@westernessence7644]

Pretending all races are the same has led to conflicts in many nations.

[@AbdulSoomro-kj5lt]

But everyone should be treated fairly what part of that do you people not understand?

[@THEEMADDHEADDOCTOR]

Race Is Not A Myth, It's A Biological And Physical Reality...You're Talking About How People Are Treated In A Society...

[@zohlore]

are you going to provide proof or just spout out opinions like a child. Evidence, evidence, evidence through experimentation. Don't just post what u wanna believe.

[@KSUser-0301]

Ethnicity is a better quantifier than race though

[@RainbowShitification]

He's not arguing that Race is a myth but if you want to prove it, it becomes difficult. Classification by race is also difficult considering the fact that each states has its own merits by which you can consider yourself white, black, Hispanic etc.

[@valhalla1240]

This video essentially sums up the premise of Loïc Wacquant's article "From Slavery to Mass Incarceration". He distinguishes race as an essentialist phenomenon from race as a social category. Most times we talk about race, we talk about the social implications and consequences that accompany it. Not about actual biological features and attributes.

[@AC-mp7cx]

i mean we do talk about how people consider certain traits as worse

[@jo18533]

I bet you hate FBI crime statistics.

[@AC-mp7cx]

@@jo18533 omg

[@kindnessfirst9670]

That's because no one agrees on what those features and attributes are- who goes in which category, what the categories are and why. The Washington Post did a poll when Obama was first elected where respondents said he was black. Eight years later the same survey found that people thought he was not black. Race is obviously fluid and subjective. I am 100% Irish. My so called "race" is considered white. But when my ancestors came to America 175 years ago theirs was not.

[@jo18533]

@@kindnessfirst9670 You are a white European. There you go, not too difficult was it.

[@lolbroek1295]

Vox: Race doesn't exist Also Vox: 1:57 "white" "black" "hispanic"

[@shadysheep1984]

thise are people who IDENTIFY/ARE IDENTIFIED as white, black, hispanic, ect. nothing to do with reality

[@camillachopinet3828]

To see how a country made up of immigrants still have this issues of just a minority considered "American and nothing else" is really interesting Also because going not far, here in Europe, to call a black man of a different race of a white, to label him with a race, is generally considered racist, offensive and stuffy way to think

[@majesticface3631]

Who says Europe is this glorious, non racist utopia? It really isn’t, and racism doesn’t exist imo to the extent that Americans hate other Americans due to their close biological geographical origin vs their social economic residence and its sub culture. For example, people may not like inner city towns because one could argue that there is a victim mentality that diminishes work ethic as the government will step in and “help” them, creating higher taxes and more crime. The race of the people isn’t in question, although since the area, in this case, inner city people, are majority black, it’s easy to see how we almost subconsciously combine race with hatred of a town with the race of people which we consciously separate.

[@douche8980]

@@majesticface3631 Europe has an overall lower crime rate in numbers and rates and they also have fewer homeless people too :)

[@trypt0faani161]

@@majesticface3631 no one said that Europe isn't racist. just that saying that someone is of race X is mostly seen as racist and frowned upon. I mean I live in one of the most racist countries of EU and in here the term "race" has negative connotations. but it's just a difference in culture I guess. I get that in the US it has more to do with politics but it is worse because it was intented to be used as a way to classify and discriminate against people. race has never been biologigal, it has always been political.

[@hydraelectricblue]

@@majesticface3631 Europeans are more tolerant than European Americans. Not because they are more moral but because they are better educated than Americans. The U.S government still distributes debunked theories from the 1800s to its citizens by using a Census and telling them to check a race. This reinforces political control. Essentially the U.S government is full of very unethical individuals. This then trickles down to the rest of its citizenry.

[@kingrollypollyvii5565]

@@douche8980 This aged horribly.

[@petruska111]

So how did this dismantle the "concept" of race ?

[@petruska111]

Like its not "made up" that people from different areas look very different

[@isaac3140]

Racial categories are incredibly arbitrary and should not be taken seriously

[@19382q]

@@petruska111 that's ethnicity

[@petruska111]

@@19382q race is defined by people looks Ethnicity by origin and culture

[@fallout1953]

​@@isaac3140 How? Race catgeories describe your biology.

[@MARK-gp9hb]

The only time this video actually addressed race was when it said there is no part of the DNA that defines race. I'm not sure they know what race is, at this point, because race is just a series of hereditary physical features, and those are indeed in the DNA, the DNA of the parents combine to form the baby, we know exactly what features are dominant over others too and are more likely to show up in the baby (for example dark hair over blonde hair). Not sure what this video is trying to debunk here... Also for evolution to be real then races must exist as a first step towards speciation. Races must have existed in the past and will exist in the future if we accept the current understanding of evolution, so...

[@TmanRock9]

Races as defined do not exist and are not the first steps to speciation.this is evident by the fact that members of a specific race can be closer genetically to members of another race than they are to most people of their own race. Race isn’t defined as closely related population instead it’s an arbitrary categorization of people based on physical traits and tells you next to nothing about their genetics or genetic relationships. Obama is a black man but is closer genetically to white people in the US than he is to any African person in Africa besides immediate family. He is also closer related to “white” people than he is to any “black” Asian person. I can see how what you are saying would make sense if race was defined using population genetics but it’s not.

[@shqip_sumejja]

As someone mixed and non american I prefer using ethnicity over race

[@Bowsar1337]

Race has nothing to do with a piece of government paper, Ashley Now go to your room

[@brazilbr4415]

Race has everything to do with a piece of government paper actually.

[@Johariyt]

@@brazilbr4415 ok panda

[@martinajuares1131]

True

[@malachykinney1598]

Vox: *quotes the most up to date widely accepted scientific and sociological information available.* KZbin comment section: *immediately breaks into chaos and racialism.*

[@abdulkadirali96]

Its just the massive ignorance of the people. They believe Islam is a race and Muslims are a race, and that isn't backed up by science. What I love the most about these types of people is that they will pick and choose which scientific studies to follow, and then lie and say others are false when both studies' results were done using the scientific method and other scientific research processes. Its bias that makes people so bad, when it comes to these kinds of disagreements. If they like a certain scientific result then they will link that and share it as much as they want, but when another scientific study comes out and either rejects the error of the previous or "finds out" some new information about something that they (the people with biases) disagree with, they'll call it 'pseudoscience'. I can't stand those types. They have the *GAUL* to believe in the Theory of Evolution and other scientific THEORIES, but they can't even stay with their own criterion! [and I'm not talking about weak studies or fringe theories, I'm taking about the most widely accepted and tested through the means of mathematics and science, THEY TRY TO REFUTE THESE, when these findings used the same d*mn method that the other sources that they cite use, but they will following one finding and dismiss the other one (even though, both are widely accepted)] They have no basis, those types. Either you accept ALL of science (that is verified, research, tested and proven true) or you are partisan, shameful person. Statement: The "Neanderthals" are an ancestor of the Europeans and Asians and much of the world, except for most of Africa: Most of these people will accept this Males have XY chromosomes and Females have XX chromosomes: Most will accept this Populations migrated into Asia and Europe from Africa 60,000-120,000 years ago: Most will accept this but Race is a social construct that is not backed up by REAL Scientific studies: Most, like those on here, will reject this How can someone live with themselves when they are biased/partisan? Do they love being like a hypocrite? What is most funny about these people is that they are blind to their hypocrisy. Its not that they are JUST being willfully ignorant, they take pride in being biased and liars. When most people want the truth to come at and try to be as non-partisan as they can, they try to be REAL/authentic and not fake people that tell lies, half truths and only follow the Scientific studies that they like, while calling the others false. I, like most unbiased people, are of the school of thought that if you want to follow science and its really just science through the verification of mathematics then follow ALL OF IT based on its CRITERION/STANDARD Do not pick whatever studies suit your selfish desires and needs. And there are studies and certain topics of debate that are still in a argumentative stage, and I'm not talking about the WIDELY accepted studies, as I said and I must STRESS!! Studies that have been verified time and time again cannot be easily dismissed! And it kills people like me, when he have to scour and search widely for scientific evidences and research that might support a theory that we believe MIGHT be true, because unlike these people, WE DON'T PICK THIS STUDY AND DENY THAT just because we want to be biased and can't accept that the notion we had was wrong, WE WANT THE TRUTH and deep down in our hearts know that if we act like "fringe theories" and other studies are at the same level of widely accepted studies, that we would be lying to ourselves. We are the supporters of the FACTUAL, LOGICIANS, true mathematicians, in the sense that we are faithful to what the numbers and data says and only that which can be duplicated and is verified. So it enrages me so, that people will act like Science is the distingusher when people can't even agree upon the ACCEPTED scientific studies. Either follow all of it, or follow none of it. Which is why my rule of thumb when idiots like to try and follow science but pick and choose, is to ignore them and let them foolishly stay in a state of ignorance The (Truth, fact, data) is there but only those that can humble themselves will accept, I've had to swallow my own ideals and in place accept the FACTS but I guess some people do not have this inside of them, when it comes to LOGIC, FACTS and the Maths of the Sciences

[@theespatier4456]

History In My Blood And your evidence that all of academia, education, science, and universities are controlled by reptiles is...?

[@gus8696]

@@abdulkadirali96you weren’t doing THAT bad until you started being transphobic too…

[@cw214]

I think vox was only trying to point out that the socially constructed hierarchies that we have in western countries based on skin colour and ethnic origin are myths that we have been telling ourselves for centuries. there might well be ancestral genetic differences between geographically dispersed groups of people, but these differences definitely do not correspond to our physiognomically focused racial categories, nor do they imply any sort of racial hierarchy.

[@frostassassin7265]

Ethnicity is real, Race isn't. Two Africans from different ethnicities are more genetically distant than a Middle Eastern and a European for instance as a result of the founder effect. All Eurasians descend from a relatively small group of African migrants.

[@bonsummers2657]

Race is the matter of distinctive clustering of morphological-genetic traits. All subsaran african indigenous peoples have distinctively evident regionally distinctive historically indigneous clustering of characteristics

[@frostassassin7265]

@Tron Batman But the point is that they descend from a small group of the people who were living in Africa and thus there is much less diversity present. However genetic drift and other factors have indeed increased diversity, East Asians and Europeans or Papuans and Europeans are closer to each other than either are to Africans.

[@aprilthomas1489]

Well, that was one giant face palm.

[@waluigiisthebest2802]

Race isn’t really a thing. But culture is.

[@oddfalcon4523]

See I respect this more because race dosent really make sence when your talking about skin color appreciate this one

[@frozenwheelmedia]

Oh my god! They got Lumpy Space Princess to narrate this video !

[@jmango93]

underrated comment

[@ReginaldDaniel-x4b]

I only checked wikipedia. Blumenbach came up with the concept of Humanity divided into races, but he expressly argued against the idea of the inherent superiority of any race. Racial superiority was promoted by his contemporary , Christoph Meiners.

[@Kat-Kobold]

My grandfather was an Armenian immigrant to the UK, which means my dad has to have 3 historians and a sociologist present before he's allowed to say whether he's white or not.

[@samuelforesta]

Armenian history sounds quite interesting!

[@shiskeyoffles]

I don't understand the dislikes for this video

[@abdulkadirali96]

Where is my Sherlock Holmes 3?

[@maxsjoberg788]

because you have a room temperature IQ

[@sametzweiler2630]

Vox: spends 2 minutes and 50 seconds saying race race doesn't exist Also Vox: Race is really important

[@dimetronome]

The video is actually saying that race doesn't objectively exist as a biological category, but it exists as a social concept that is important to understand due to the influence of racial ideas on society.

[@sassulusmagnus]

Sometimes silly ideas become very important because so many people believe them. The idea of race is an example.

[@irlmusic8001]

@@dimetronome race has existed long before societies did, hard to be the invention of something that came later..

[@dimetronome]

@@irlmusic8001 That's not true. Race as we understand it today has existed for around 500 years. The concept has its roots in colonialism and slavery around that time.

[@Schaffsbiggestfan]

Bruno mars should have his own race

[@maxpayne4129]

His real last name is Hernandez but changed it to not be "grouped in to latin music". So yeah race is real.

[@danielwebb4713]

I always imagined race as a spectrum, that is based on your ethnic background. I guess most of us are mixed race to a degree, but that's why I see it as being a spectrum.

[@whitejack9032]

@@wodzisaww.5500 just beacuase something is on a spectrum, no way makes it “arbitrary”

[@whitejack9032]

@@wodzisaww.5500 Arabs are semitic not white

[@whitejack9032]

@@wodzisaww.5500 No I didn’t. 😉

[@whitejack9032]

@@wodzisaww.5500 The only thing I have proven is your arrogance.

[@whiskeyshot562]

Mixed implies that there are "whole" races out that that we can be brought together to create a new combination. In that way, when we say someone is mixed we are insisting on the reality of race, even if no such thing exists in any biological sense.

[@dvdcccvv1859]

"Race is not real!" Really l want to see two Chinese parents giving birth to a black kid.

[@danielmann5427]

Ethnicity and race are not the same thing. There is only one race, the human race and many ethnicities (people groups). Isolate any group of people for an extended amount of time and only breed within that people group and you will have commen physical traits. They don't produce another race.

[@rubicunduseratiudas1264]

@@danielmann5427 No, there's only one SPECIES, but many races. You're using the word "ethnicity" exactly with the meaning of "race".

[@danielmann5427]

@@rubicunduseratiudas1264 false . Go look up those words in an old dictionary. The orgins of those words.

[@danielmann5427]

@@rubicunduseratiudas1264 - notice i didn't use the word species. Thats a newer word. Which doesn't make sense and is a darwinian construct.

[@danielmann5427]

@Succubus Hypnosis one word fool. Not an argument.

[@brandonashley5872]

"There is no race chromosome in our DNA that people can point too" no the DNA within Its self is different anyone who does their own research would know that people of different Races are do not share Haplogroups meaning their DNA differs.

[@mr.personalspace7831]

also, reminder that melanin exists.

[@jays-move8803]

@@mr.personalspace7831 Almost everyone has melanin. Indian and Melanesian people are darker than most Black people in America. The name Melanesia and melanin share the Greek root "dark" and Melanesia means "dark islands".

[@potatopatato8211]

I'm white, very very white. I did a test and I'm 97% Irish heritage. I wear socks and sandals, I drink tea 5 times a day and I wear my grandmother's snuggie. In primary school, there was only white kids. I haven't seen my eyebrows in 6 years. I'm like a cleaning product that sells the whitest white put me next to a wall and there would just be a crop of ginger hair floating with random speckles.

[@mmawithsubtitles7460]

Potato Patato and?

[@GizmoMaltese]

The point is someone can say that ginger Irish people are a separate race. The point is it's arbitrary.

[@Bobelponge123]

Starbucks

[@simonedebeauvoir8552]

please don't wear socks and sandals

[@kindnessfirst9670]

Irish are white now but in the U.S. a century and a half ago they were not white.

[@theojones5039]

Nah that's false I know what I am I'm black

[@WhyfallinLUVwhenUcanfallasleep]

And it’s not a race. It’s a skin color.

[@gordonf5553]

if you keep a toast in the toaster too long it's also black, so is that a different toast race?

[@hydraelectricblue]

I love you, you are so adorable.

[@Samson.Don.Singleton]

Réno Boni it’s not even a skin color tbh, I have yet to meet a person who’s skin tone is the same color as outer space.🪐

[@French-Dutch-English-blooded]

@@WhyfallinLUVwhenUcanfallasleep Nope. Actually no Black person has black skin. Black is a race and skin tones vary even among races.

[@NewYorkFreeman]

Race exists genetically, so not sure why you are making this out to be a cultural issue. Race is still real, despite the click-bait title.

[@adier1234]

Race is a social construct, but ok

[@NewYorkFreeman]

Can you do a DNA test to determine whether someone is black, white, asian, hispanic or native indian? Oh, you can? JUST A CONSTRUCT!!1111!

[@adier1234]

Goonky No. DNA test tell you were you came from

[@NewYorkFreeman]

Ak K Yeah, exactly. Race is a set of physical characteristics shared by a common people usually located together in a geographic area.

[@adier1234]

Goonky No it isn't there is no race gene. A black person can live in China and there DNA can be traced back there. DNA test prove nothing

[@redsky4016]

Vox: Race is a social construct also vox: some races should get college tuition when they don’t meet the standards

[@brazilbr4415]

Race is still not real, try again.

[@thenoseknows4389]

@@brazilbr4415 If only you had some hard proof...

[@agadgsgdfgsasadsfdg]

@@brazilbr4415 you’re not real try again

[@owen3721]

The fact that race is a social construct is precisely WHY we need affirmative action...race is an arbitrary system of categorization that has been used to discriminate against black people, therefore we need affirmative action as a restorative measure to undue historical racial trends in higher education attendance

[@krishiebobbybill3209]

@@owen3721 Exactly

[@nikokaapa]

Why do americans talk out of their throats so often? It sounds like they're imitating frogs!

[@FireurchinProductionsByzantium]

Where else do you talk from? Your ears?

[@FireurchinProductionsByzantium]

Niko Kääpä I know, I'm kidding, chill

[@nikokaapa]

+Fireurchin Productions I know you were, chill

[@marquettdavonburton4288]

this voice is typical of liberal middle class whites, not all of us.

[@nikokaapa]

+Marc Burton i want to make myself clear: I don't think you all talk this way. I actually think that certain American ways of speaking are truly wonderful. I just don't like how it's evolving in certain groups. Sorry for seeming petty.

[@InADarkTavern]

Seems like a lot of these commenters still believe race is real. “The truth has no defence against a fool determined to believe a lie”

[@asdawasda]

Because it is real

[@InADarkTavern]

@@asdawasda you should take an anthropology class

[@leststoner]

@@asdawasda how many races are there?

[@asdawasda]

@@leststoner depends. You could judge race by continent that a person is from as that's generally where people start to differ. But each continent still has high genetic diversity between people.

[@leststoner]

@asdawasda didn't answer the question. But keep going, keep constructing it.

[@TheReaverOfDarkness]

Race exists in terms of genetic classification, and all humans living today are within the same subrace. So yeah, we're about as similar as it gets.

[@1LIFEtoWIN]

TheReaverOfDarkness Thank you for being educated.

[@TheReaverOfDarkness]

déaþ óðer æsctír No, I mean subrace. To give an example: The Western Honey Bee species apis mellifera contains a variety of subspecies, of which the most well known and widespread are the European Dark Bee subspecies apis mellifera mellifera. This subspecies encompases probably every variety of honey bee you have ever seen or heard of, along with several others you haven't, and contrary to its name is found in several locations around the world. Within this subspecies are multiple races (a genetic classification rarely used) and I'll mention two of them: the Black Bee apis mellifera mellifera nigra, and the Brown Bee apis mellifera mellifera mellifera. There are minor yet significant morphological differences between these two races, allowing biologists to positively identify one based on its morphology even if its specific breed were a good mimic of the coloration of another race. But the distinction between subraces is best left under the nonscientific term "breed", as the actual genetic and morphological differences (aside from size and color) are too insignificant to allow for positive identification. All humans on the world are about as genetically similar as all domestic dogs within one of the major breeds. All domestic dogs fit easily within a single subspecies yet have much more total genetic variation than humans do. We're really as similar as it gets.

[@TheReaverOfDarkness]

***** what's your point?

[@TheReaverOfDarkness]

***** No, it isn't. There are racial differences that can be determined with careful scientific studies utilizing advanced technology, but it's all almost completely superficial. There is not one single important variation across our species and this has been thoroughly demonstrated.

[@TheReaverOfDarkness]

***** There are no racial differences among humans as far as intelligence, temper, strength, hormones, reproductive cycles, or reproductive speed, and all studies suggesting otherwise have been debunked. Muscle formation and height differences are caused more by diet than heredity, but environmental changes can lead to differences here and this is without changing our genetics, for we all carry these genes to be short or to be tall and they can be activated/deactivated as called for. The hormonal changes are entirely environmental and happen within one's lifetime. So no.

[@michaelpcoffee]

"More important, as critical race theorists we adopt a stance that PRESUMES that racism has contributed to ALL contemporary manifestations of group advantage and disadvantage along RACIAL lines, including differences in income, imprisonment,health, housing, education, political representation, and military service. Our history calls for this PRESUMPTION." "Words That Wound: Critical Race Theory, Assaultive Speech, and the First Amendment" by Matsuda, Lawrence III, Delgado, and KIMBERLE' WILLIAMS CRENSHAW Those are their words from their intellectual papers: It is the entire foundation of the premise. CRT promotes the notion that the fact that a group is measurably superior is proof that everybody in that group is guilty; and, that a group being inferior is proof that everybody in that group is a victim. Further: this principle projects through time; asserting that what happened to the long dead projects onto the guilt or victimhood of the living; even if the living never experienced it at all........... CRT uses history and statistics to justify using government force to implement racial discrimination. CRT obviates the need for any thought, word or act of racism as proof of their presumed verdict. All they need is their preferred race measuring less favorably than another. Regardless of the cause: they declare their favored race to be victims of the other. Then they would use real government enforced discrimination in response to their presumed discrimination; altering laws, policies and practices to favor their preferred race. All for the stated purpose of forcibly making the measurements between races identical. The operative question is whether you support using government force to implement racial discrimination. All the rest is academic. My answer is no.

[@getoveryourself.7516]

It’s hard because many of us are mixed race. We as a society often times assign characteristics, background, or moral constructs to a certain race which can make many who don’t agree with it confused on what they really are. If race wasn’t such a dividing concept more people would accept what their “census” race is but most like myself don’t feel like we can really fit into any category as it doesn’t relate or represent us and where we came from.

[@oldsaggyorcsacs1630]

Many of us are mixed race because it was planned in advance to make the west more mixed and less white

[@BrainRot4Life-j4z]

wrong, the reason is that there simply is not nearly enough biological difference between humans from different parts of the earth to distinguish in gaps as wide as races. its like saying a brown doberman is of another race than a grey and a black doberman. there aint no fkn poodles in humans. we all dobermen, just different colors and slightly different features.

[@mrmillennium2697]

Here's a question, do you think God would accept us based on what color we are? If not, then reality should tell you it doesn't matter, only to humans who are far from perfect does it even matter

[@MellonVegan]

But you are not mixed race. There literally are no races. The very idea is unscientific (and racist).

[@JimmyRose1]

The comments make me depress but I guess it isn't the first time people are threaten by science.

[@orenbell1645]

"it's really just using race as a substitute for other factors, such as where your ancestors came from" Read that back

[@Schrei-d4z]

That only explained how shared physical traits brought about by evolution was weaponized against certain race/s. It did not debunk the existence of these shared traits....it actually explained how races came to be.

[@NulledSeries]

Race doesn't exist because of genetics. How can Africa be the world's most diverse continent yet be mostly one race?

[@sincitymilla2048]

Wow. Now I see that Darwin's marine iguanas and birds of the Galapagos were really no different than iguanas and birds elsewhere, they just look, act, and feed differently. Since we cannot precisely identify the genes that lead to these differences, they therefore are merely apparent and only social constructs. It's my prejudice that makes marine iguanas feed underwater instead of on land like iguanas elsewhere. I had no idea that subspecies were not a result of adaptation of groups to local environment over time, but were actually caused by white privilege. Thanks for setting me straight, Jenee!

[@rubicunduseratiudas1264]

Person with curly hair, dark skin and thick lips sounds to me a lot different from a person with straight blond hair, light-colored skin.

[@ataurusqueenofzion916]

You forgot 'thin lips.'

[@nutroll1622]

Biological races do NOT exist in humans. Races may exist in humans in a cultural sense, but biological concepts of race are needed to access their reality in a non-species-specific manner and to see if cultural categories correspond to biological categories within humans. Modern biological concepts of race can be implemented objectively with molecular genetic data through hypothesis-testing. Genetic data sets are used to see if biological races exist in humans and in our closest evolutionary relative, the chimpanzee. Using the two most commonly used biological concepts of race, chimpanzees are indeed subdivided into races but humans are not. Adaptive traits, such as skin color, have frequently been used to define races in humans, but such adaptive traits reflect the underlying environmental factor to which they are adaptive and not overall genetic differentiation, and different adaptive traits define discordant groups. There are no objective criteria for choosing one adaptive trait over another to define race. As a consequence, adaptive traits do not define races in humans. Much of the recent scientific literature on human evolution portrays human populations as separate branches on an evolutionary tree. A tree-like structure among humans has been falsified whenever tested, so this practice is scientifically indefensible. It is also socially irresponsible as these pictorial representations of human evolution have more impact on the general public than nuanced phrases in the text of a scientific paper. Humans have much genetic diversity, but the vast majority of this diversity reflects individual uniqueness and not race.

[@UnnTHPS]

Race is a social construct that's so deeply rooted in our lives and the system that we simply cannot escape it. A thing that doesn't even exist actually affects lives. That's scary.

[@theethnonationalism3234]

it exist and it is very important

[@officialreek]

@@theethnonationalism3234 It exists - as a social construct

[@monkeystudios1]

Here's the thing: Its not rooted in your life.

[@EternalEmperorofZakuul]

​@@officialreek especially when telling an inferior race that they're not indigenous to the Americas

[@mortenrobinson5421]

If races aren't real, then nor are subspecies, species, genera, etc. Race is the result of evolution. When populations of the same species have little to no gene flow between them, the shared phenotypical traits found in different populations will begin to diverge from each other. If the populations are completely isolated from each other, then this leads to speciation. You didn't really debunk anything here. Sure you can call race a social construct, but so is every single manmade word, term or concept. We socially construct our languages and our sciences to be able to speak about the world around us and understand it through our own lens. We invent words, concepts and categories as we see them useful. However, the various natural and biological phenomena, that causes us invent these words, are NOT social constructs, they are real occurring and observable natural phenomenon! We have made the very real observation, that when populations of people are somewhat isolated from each other, the shared phenotypical traits of each population begins to diverge away from each other, causing differences in appearance between different populations. This is a real observable phenomenon, that we observe throughout nature, not just in our own species. Thus we have seen fit to invent the word 'race' in order to name this phenomenon so that we may speak about it. And yes, sure the lines are blurry, they pretty much have to be since it is totally possible for people of different races to interbreed. But the lines being blurry does not mean that the phenomenon does not exist and isn't real. The formation of distinct phenotypical traits in different populations of the same species is very real, and imho it's also very beautiful. Evolution leads to diversity and diversity is beautiful.

[@mortenrobinson5421]

@ha ! ethnic groups are social constructs :-) And so are all man-made words and terms. Ethnic group is not the same as race though, it's more of a national, lingual and cultural thing. You can have different ethnicities whom are the same race and you can have ethnicities that are racially mixed, such as the Americans, or South Africans... or belgians. However there is no doubt that ethnicity and language is one of the prime drivers of the formation of racial traits in human populations. Language tends to isolate populations from one another. You are much more likely to have children with someone who speaks at least one of the same languages that you speak.

[@mortenrobinson5421]

@ha ! and may I add. If you want to call this phenomenon that the rest of us calls 'race', if you rather want to call that 'ethnicity'. Well then you haven't really succeeded in disproving the existence of the phenomenon that the rest of us calls race, you've only succeeded in renaming the phenomenon and calling it ethnicity instead. I wouldn't really consider the 'word' ethnicity as having any sort of relation to biological classification whatsoever. You wouldn't talk about the ethnicity of a pig or a horse would you?

[@mortenrobinson5421]

@ha ! like I said, all manmade words, terms, concepts and so on, are social constructs. The observable natural phenomena, that causes us to find it useful to invent words and concepts such as man, woman, child, adult, race, ethnicity and so on, are not social constructs.

[@AllenSJ5]

Lol no.

[@saintsalad9184]

So do these differences result in differences between intelligence?

[@johnp82]

I'm Caucasian. I can prove that by showing you a DNA test that shows certain DNA markers that are unique to me and other similar Caucasians. The fact that race is sometimes hard to define and sometimes people get unfairly categorized doesnt mean there aren't distinct physical characteristics among races of humans.

[@NanakiRowan]

Which gene is unique to "Caucasians"?

[@johnp82]

@@NanakiRowan there are a collection of physical traits that are genetically passed down by generation. If it helps you out, Google "typical white/Caucasian person" or "typical Swede". Just because there are often gray areas in race where there's a lot of mixing going on doesn't negate the fact that there are groups of people with distinct physical characteristics in this world.

[@NanakiRowan]

@@johnp82 You said there are certain DNA markers that are unique to you and Caucasians. Those are your words. Which gene is unique to Caucasians?

[@johnp82]

@@NanakiRowan you're asking a loaded question. All humans are genetically similar but if you do a DNA test, actual DNA markers will tell you exactly where your roots are through common ancestry, meaning if you're a white person from Sweden (Caucasian), other similar people will share the same DNA markers, and black people from Sub-Saharan Africa won't share those markers.

[@NanakiRowan]

@@johnp82 I'm not asking you a loaded question, I'm just questioning the statement you made. I'll specify a bit better. What DNA marker is unique to you and other Caucasians? You only have to name one, so it shouldn't be too difficult.

[@Hegeleze]

Everyone just needs to keep in mind that this channel is arguing for a position that physical anthropologists and evolutionary biologists still disagree on to a large extent. Yes, this is a completely one-sided rhetorical point of view on race with one eye on politics, but that is the way it is now. If you want real information, it is very, very hard to find, but look up journal articles from the above groups. Here is a starting point if you're really interested: pages.ucsd.edu/~jmoore/courses/anth42web/CartmillRaceConcept1998.pdf

[@paulbushey5223]

I usually find your videos informative but this one is so stupid that I am done. You have uploaded blatantly wrong information. Please amend, redact or apologize or within a weeks time I'll be gone.

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

Bye bye then...

[@brianhancock3502]

What are you talking about "blatantly wrong". Do a little research and you'll find race is an imaginary way to organize ourselves. We technically as humans are a race. Its hard to understand for anyone really because it goes against what structures much of our society. Nothing wrong with a good internet rant, just look up the topic you're ranting about before starting.

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

joseph carreras classification in "races" is a social construct - as we are all belonging to the same race, also known as humans... Your comparison with flowers are really far fetched and if it should have any merits it would only be if we were talking about how all humans are mammals...

[@glialcell6455]

joseph carreras Don't let others decide your opinions for you! Argue them yourself and see how much sense they make. Saying humans vary as much as flowers do is plain stupid. Humans are much more similar than you'd admit. Body structure (Including facial structure and vocals), and skin colour are what we mostly identify a race by. In both of these aspects, people in the same household vary just about as much as people in the same race. The only other difference I can see is that some groups in society have lower IQs than others, but this can be attributed to low socio-economic status as a result of historical oppression.

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

joseph carreras there is actually evidence to back it up...

[@jfm.d5180]

When was it debunked? The fact that our understanding of race evolves over time? “It’s using race as a substitute for other things, such as where your ancestry is from” …. You are almost there

[@NanakiRowan]

2003, after the human genome was sequenced.

[@poody771]

Many decades ago.

[@jfm.d5180]

missing the citation, champ@@NanakiRowan

[@jfm.d5180]

[citation missing]@@poody771

[@NanakiRowan]

@@jfm.d5180 Here you go: DNA studies do not indicate that separate classifiable subspecies (races) exist within modern humans. While different genes for physical traits such as skin and hair color can be identified between individuals, no consistent patterns of genes across the human genome exist to distinguish one race from another. There also is no genetic basis for divisions of human ethnicity. -Human Genome Project

[@kehvedna7946]

In the words of a wise man: The myth of planets, debunked in 3 minutes. You may think you know exactly what planet you live on, but how would you prove it if someone disagreed with you? The fact is, even though planets drive a lot of social and political outcomes, planets aren't real. One of the first cultures who tried to categorise lights in the sky according to planets was Babylon, around 650BC. They came up with five different planets according to their motions, and what they saw, plus the sun and moon. Babylonians of Semitic descent eagerly bought into this type of thinking, around the same time. Some historians have said the idea of different planets helped them resolve the contradiction between an eternal and static view of the heavens, and the fact that some of the lights in the sky move. If planets were in their own distinct category, then everyone could feel a lot better about denying planet-hood to other lights which they labelled stars, and decided were fundamentally different. But, as scientific priorities changed, definitions of planets in America adjust right along with them. For example, if you were the light Pluto in the 1930, you were considered a Planet. Then the International Astronomical Union decided Pluto was not a planet, to avoid including numerous large icy objects into the category of planets. And what it took to be a planet once varied so wildly throughout the astronomical community, from their mass, to their ability to fuse deuterium, to if it was part of a distinct population such as a belt, to the infamous alternate proposal created by Julio Ángel Fernández, that lights in the sky could actually change planetary classification just by talking to different people. Then suddenly, in 2008, the IAU decided that a light could be classified as more than one thing, and added different categories to the list of celestial bodies. This has left many Americans scratching their heads when it comes to selecting what a planet is. Over five hundred people have decided the Earth is flat, which means that the Earth wouldn't satisfy the criteria for any celestial body by the IAU, meaning they have decided they don't live on any celestial body listed at all. The idea that a light in the sky might look one way, but be identified another way, or that they might be really hard to place is an astronomical category, is not new. This was why there was a public debate on whether or not 136199 Eris was a Dwarf Planet, or we can't even agree on the celestial label assigned to 50000 Quaoar. Of course many people feel that planetary identity is very clear, and very permanent. But the fact that some lights in the sky have changed, and that no one can really argue with it, shows how shaky the very idea of "planet" is. This is all because there isn't a Planet Atom in a celestial body's structure that people can point to. It simply doesn't exist. When the astronomical community links planets to gravitational affects, it's really just using "planet" as a substitute for other factors. Such as mass, or composition compared to lights that might have been put into the same category. Albert Einstein explains that the presences of orbits is a prime example of this, which is linked to objects that consist primarily of solid matter as well as plasma. It's not actually about planets at all. This of course does not mean that the concept of planets is not hugely important in our lives. The celestial categories to which lights in the sky are assigned can determine real life experiences. They can drive scientific outcomes, and they can even make the difference between life and death. But understanding that celestial categories are made up can give us an important perspective on where planet-privilege came from in the first place.

[@CCRUEnthusist]

The response to "You may think you know exactly what your race are but how would you prove it if someone disagreed with you" is the same as if someone said "You may think you know what exactly what kind of car you drive but how would you prove it if someone disagreed with you" I'd call them an dumbass and move on

[@TheEureka00]

It baffles me how, while nowadays we are focused on not labeling any of those race categories as superior or inferior to another, there is a general acceptance for the "fact" that two people of "different races" are completely and intrinsically different, like they are completely different species with their specific behaviors and ideologies.

[@willbgm5x5]

What are you trying to say? there is only one human race dude

[@TheEureka00]

@@willbgm5x5 read my comment. I'm not saying otherwise. I'm just saying it seems like the general consensus says race categories are a thing particularly in the US. When you fill in administrative forms you have to fill in your race. When you read someone's wikipedia page they will generally give you their "ethnicity" but it's not unusual to find the term "race" in use.

[@bilboblaggins7659]

@@willbgm5x5 we cannot overcome and transcend our differences by pretending they don't exist. What is it about different ethnicities that you hate so much? Why can't we just be like "we are different, and that's ok, let's celebrate our differences" People who are the same race still have conflict, still fight wars. Usually over differences of opinion. Does that mean we should say "opinions are social constructs there is actually only one opinion" just because people have fought wars over it. We have to learn to deal with all these things in a peaceful and constructive manner, pretending they don't exist is not gonna help us to do that.

[@hevnervals]

How does trends baffle you? Race strongly correlate with societal trends, even when adopted and raised in the same family

[@TheEureka00]

@@hevnervals I'm not baffled by the trends (if anything, they're probably the most predictable part of the story). I'm baffled by completely arbitrary and commonly accepted racial categorization. Also what are you supposed to expect from trends when a group of people are selected to be a whole entity and thus treated more or less positively in society? Edit: also yes it does not depend on adoption but not because it's "in their genes" to display specific trends! If you're black, for example, but adopted, you are still perceived as black, right?

[@thgentleman9210]

Being a medical researcher this is actually not very good in a lot of ways. The fact that many diseases are very correlated with certain ethnic groups is important to know. A matter of fact it's very crucial we know people who are ethnically mixed have less chances of diseases because they inherit better genes.

[@chocol8doll]

Well, you just said ethnically different so the term shouldn't be by race, but by ethnicity. Therefore race is still a social construct.

[@thamessinclair2010]

@@chocol8doll No. Ethnicity is actually the wrong term in this case, which nowadays happens to be used instead of "race" as a polite euphemism similar to how people say "sleeping with another" when they mean "copulating", although this action is obviously very different from sleeping. Accurately speaking, ethnicity is about common culture. Race is about genetic ancestry.

[@chocol8doll]

@@thamessinclair2010 Wrong! Race is a social construct. Unless you are something other than human, than there is only one race.

[@thamessinclair2010]

@@chocol8doll The conventions of how to categorize and name races are social constructs. Human genetic variety clusters exist independent of such social constructs.

[@chocol8doll]

@@thamessinclair2010 Im not debating genetic variety, just the fact that there is only one race. That does not mean that we are a carbon copy of one another.

[@six-gun]

If race doesn't exist why are you doing a video about it?

[@DoubleBeezy]

Social construct

[@prophecy5886]

Because people keep trying to bring it up as if it's a valid factor.

[@EternalEmperorofZakuul]

​@@prophecy5886especially when dealing with an inferior race when Egypt and the Olmecs come up

[@visuali235]

Because it’s lie and an important thing ethnicity is what defines us

[@NanakiRowan]

If the Little Mermaid doesn't exist, why is there a movie about it?

[@erikandersson1647]

The title doesn't make any sense. It should either be "The Myth of Race" or "Race Debunked". The Myth of race debunked, means that the concept that 'race is a myth', has been debunked. And just because race has such a vague definition and is ultimately based on superficial mammalian traits ... doesn't mean its a myth. It's a fact that groups of people who share a common history in a given region, share similar genetic traits, behaviors and customs. They've become a race of people- it's easy to understand. Don't over complicate - and looking for a specific gene that defines race is plain stupid. Look for general combinations of genetic familial traits, and voila - you've got a race.

[@truly2special]

Under "Asian" houses Iraqi's, Indians and Japanese people. What genetic traits do these people share?

[@erikandersson1647]

Asian as a race - isn't based on genetics, but geography. A vague way about it, but that's what it is. But to answer your question, they share 99.9% of their genetic traits; all being human that is. And just because a race of people might be defined on a geographic region, rather than genetic traits.... doesn't mean that race is a myth. It's just a different way of defining it. Race is very, very ambiguous, could mean many things... isn't perfectly defined... but is not a myth. It's just a way of categorizing different groups of people, which isn't unethical.

[@truly2special]

Well now you're backtracking. First you said, "Don't over complicate - and looking for a specific gene that defines race is plain stupid. Look for general combinations of genetic familial traits, and voila - you've got a race.", now you're saying that race is ambiguous and it isn't perfectly defined? Well which is it? And now that I'm re-reading your first comment when you say "It's a fact that groups of people who share a common history in a given region, share similar genetic traits, behaviors and customs." that sounds a lot more like an ethnicity than race. The Irish have genetic traits that are not shared by Hungarian people, this is evident by genetic tests that can directly pinpoint where you DNA can be traced to. They also, don't share the same language, customs, holidays, foods, land, so why are they grouped together under the "white race"? Because they both have fair skin? Vox isn't saying that racial categories are unethical, although they've done more bad than good in this world, they're saying that they aren't a scientific fact like most people think. They're real, but they're socially constructed and they shouldn't be used to pre-determine someone's intelligence or their character or their mental, physical or psychological health/wellbeing.

[@erikandersson1647]

I said in my original comment race is vaguely defined: vague and ambiguous are synonymous. So where did I backtrack? And a race of people have a common ancestry or "ethnicity"... so I don't know why you're making it sound as though the two concepts are completely unrelated. I agree with you: a white or black race is a stupid classification for a race- because it's too generic... same with Asia. But that's how it's done. If a scientist took a sample of my blood, and your blood.. or Gandhi's blood, it would be easy for them to identify which of us is white, which is black and which is Asian. So that's pretty scientific if you ask me. If race was all just in our heads, then geneticists couldn't identify an Asian or African simply, by looking at their genome- but they can. The title suggests Race is a myth that has been debunked: it's not. Race is a concept based on real criteria- just vague and poorly defined. Racial categories haven't done any more harm than categorizing elephants as pachyderms. People do the harm, and they don't need to be taught the concept of race in order to be xenophobic. What about using the concept of race to teach tolerance? Why it's bad to be racist. Isn't that good? You say people shouldn't use race to predetermine intelligence? - this goes without saying. Who does that anymore? Which educational institution teaches that? Can you list a single one?

[@erikandersson1647]

Common ancestry does not mean exactly the same ancestry. You're twisting my point; no wonder you think I'm contradicting myself. Nigerians and Somalians are closer related to each other, than they are to the Irish or Hungarians. It's dumb to think otherwise. Because something's ambiguous, doesn't mean it's complex or difficult to understand. When you over complicate ambiguity, comprehension becomes difficult. Carl Linnaeus, didn't invent race, he just tried to catalogue it. Racism, occurred before he came along. I don't agree with the main point in the video, that race is all just a social construct. Religion, is a social construct. You CANNOT determine someones religion, by testing their DNA- because it's all made up. But you can determine race, by values in your biology- you agree with this. I'm done. Who cares about individuals online? I'm talking about laws and educational institutions, Nobel laureates who's opinions actually matter. You can't name one, because it's not a thing anymore. It's not socially accepted anymore. You're kicking a dead horse.

[@internacionali161]

You debunked absolutely nothing.

[@poody771]

Prove it.

[@internacionali161]

@@poody771 Then if races don't exist, neither does racism. Assuming she proved that race exists, so does racism not exist. Now, check the other videos on Vox's channel and see the hypocrisy for yourself. And yes, race exists. I'm not going to debate a liberal on this, not on fear that I'll get debunked, but because liberals don't know what critical thinking is.

[@poody771]

​@@internacionali161You don't want to "debate" me on this because you have no argument backing up your position on this. Where in the video does she claim that race does not exist as a sociological phenomenon?

[@DesertRat88]

@@poody771 Can't prove a negative, genius.

[@Looking_Up_At_The_Stars]

​@@internacionali161 I want to preface this by saying this isn't me trying to start an argument, simply providing how I see this. I would like to say that I am using critical thinking in this, as I am currently finishing up an Anthropology class which discusses this. Race doesn't physically exist. There is no one physical feature to define someone as a particular race. However, it is still a concept. Think about money. In America, a piece of green paper can have different worth based on the image it has. All of the value that we gave the paper, is that. We gave it the value. That doesn't mean it is worthless, it still can mean a lot in the society we live in. That is what a social construct is. Race is similar, it is a construct that was made by humans. There is no actual biological difference in 1000 people with darker skin than 1000 people with lighter skin, besides the fact that one group has more melanin than the other. However, race still plays a role in society. Someone who is perceived as black will most likely get treated worse throughout their life compared to someone who is perceived as white. People will still place stereotypes on others based on skin color. Racism is how people take that social construct and use it to be discriminatory towards others among other things. Similar to how people use the social construct of money to buy items that are worth more than a piece of paper. TLDR; Race is a social construct that still plays a role in our lives. Racism is the use of that construct to be discriminatory towards others.

[@shunt0141]

Not only was race not disproven, not once was an actual definition provided besides one that was given by the US government which changed over the years.

[@redridgeguy]

You may think you know exactly what planet you live on, but how would you prove it if someone disagreed with you? The fact is, even though planets drive a lot of social and political outcomes, planets aren't real. One of the first cultures who tried to categorise lights in the sky according to planets was Babylon, around 650BC. They came up with five different planets according to their motions, and what they saw, plus the sun and moon. Babylonians of Semitic descent eagerly bought into this type of thinking, around the same time. Some historians have said the idea of different planets helped them resolve the contradiction between an eternal and static view of the heavens, and the fact that some of the lights in the sky move. If planets were in their own distinct category, then everyone could feel a lot better about denying planet-hood to other lights which they labelled stars, and decided were fundamentally different. But, as scientific priorities changed, definitions of planets in America adjust right along with them. For example, if you were the light Pluto in the 1930, you were considered a Planet. Then the International Astronomical Union decided Pluto was not a planet, to avoid including numerous large icy objects into the category of planets. And what it took to be a planet once varied so wildly throughout the astronomical community, from their mass, to their ability to fuse deuterium, to if it was part of a distinct population such as a belt, to the infamous alternate proposal created by Julio Ángel Fernández, that lights in the sky could actually change planetary classification just by talking to different people. Then suddenly, in 2008, the IAU decided that a light could be classified as more than one thing, and added different categories to the list of celestial bodies. This has left many Americans scratching their heads when it comes to selecting what a planet is. Over five hundred people have decided the Earth is flat, which means that the Earth wouldn't satisfy the criteria for any celestial body by the IAU, meaning they have decided they don't live on any celestial body listed at all. The idea that a light in the sky might look one way, but be identified another way, or that they might be really hard to place is an astronomical category, is not new. This was why there was a public debate on whether or not 136199 Eris was a Dwarf Planet, or we can't even agree on the celestial label assigned to 50000 Quaoar. Of course many people feel that planetary identity is very clear, and very permanent. But the fact that some lights in the sky have changed, and that no one can really argue with it, shows how shaky the very idea of "planet" is. This is all because there isn't a Planet Atom in a celestial body's structure that people can point to. It simply doesn't exist. When the astronomical community links planets to gravitational affects, it's really just using "planet" as a substitute for other factors. Such as mass, or composition compared to lights that might have been put into the same category. Albert Einstein explains that the presences of orbits is a prime example of this, which is linked to objects that consist primarily of solid matter as well as plasma. It's not actually about planets at all. This of course does not mean that the concept of planets is not hugely important in our lives. The celestial categories to which lights in the sky are assigned can determine real life experiences. They can drive scientific outcomes, and they can even make the difference between life and death. But understanding that celestial categories are made up can give us an important perspective on where planet-privilege came from in the first place.