What people miss about the gender wage gap

[@omargado4484]

male stripers don't get paid as much as female stripers...

[@kiwiladi]

Nor pornstars...

[@maheshkatta9278]

Same with pornstars. Most of work is done by the male pornstar but female gets more money. ha ha ha.

[@omargado4484]

Talk about that wage gap...

[@swishgod6623]

There's a Higher demand for female strippers

[@sketchyskateboardingasmr6531]

there is a higher demand for male workers

[@michaelhiggins8843]

If they can pay women less, why don’t companies solely hire women?

[@maketheeugreatagain1326]

if we assume the descrimination hypotisis to be true, that would happen because companies would believe women are less productive - they would pay according to what they believe women produce. So that argument isn't really valid

[@missyminzy3835]

Gender pay gap is one those things were it’s not always about paying woman less. It’s about choices the woman makes. Take the MBA example, women earned less because they had children and had to put their career on hold whereas the men did not have to. Women with no children earn double than those who do. Sometimes it’s companies being shady and paying woman more. The gender pay issue is much bigger than companies choosing to pay woman less.

[@stevennguyen5771]

If everyone is pay equal that sounds like umm communism. And we all know what happen to people under communism. Gulag, great purge, lots and lots of famine, and the Cold War.

[@issstari954]

@@maketheeugreatagain1326 Its already the law to pay people equal pay for the same work same hours same education and experience the wage gap doesn't happen. Or when it does it's already illegal anyway so advocating for it doesn't do anything. The true answer for the wage gap is the choices of the women.

[@maketheeugreatagain1326]

@@issstari954 I don't wanna start a full-on discussion about this - there is too many things to be said on a comment section. I was just saying that that argument doesn't make much sense.

[@lrn_news9171]

1. Women work less hours on average. 2. Women are less likely to ask for a raise. This explains the wage gap within same occupations.

[@derfegelein4401]

LRN_News the thing is that, it’s not true, well mostly not true, if a person is good at a job, and another person isn’t, the person that is better will get more money while the person that isn’t good at it will get paid less. What you listed is not true, a woman has the chance to work more hours, a woman can also ask for a raise, there’s nothing stopping her, it depends on the person, and it doesn’t count the whole group

[@lrn_news9171]

Das Kriegsmarine It does actually. There's such a thing that averages. Men and women are not the same. They are biologically different. Equality does not exist and cannot be observed anywhere in nature. Some people are more talented than others, some people are smarter than others etc. Another thing that explains women's unequal presentation in high level positions in modern developed societies is also the fact that they have a different brain and on average they happen to have less of the favourable personality traits required to attain high level positions. Men are on average more competitive, industrious and are less likely to suffer from chronic anxiety and stress. Another thing is that women tend to have children which affects their availability or ability to compete with men in the work-place.

[@mr.eliteaz2385]

@@derfegelein4401 you know LRN news is right right, not all both males and females are not made equal and all people in the world aren't all made equal and especially aren't developed equally. People who work harder and in dangerous environments, people who speak up should be thought of more, and people who are smarter should be paid more. If I'm able to lift heavier stuff and put myself at risk you should not be paid as much as me.

[@caseymurray7722]

@@derfegelein4401 in the same job, women and men can work the same amount of hours and also ask for a raise however, women, on average, are less likely to ask for a raise and also work less overtime. This is another large reason in the pay gap.

[@derfegelein4401]

Tron the Miner look to what I said before, if what you say is correct, then women are the cause of their own misfortune, they should blame only themselves for being paid less, right?

[@heyhey439]

Making less money because you prioritize caring for your family is not a negative thing. We need to respect women's choices in life. Edit: Another point to this discussion is the data on when women start to dominate a specific occupation rather than men, the wages go down without any distinct reason. There are a lot of moving parts in this debate, and I'm not sure there is an easy solution for everyone.

[@pepehimovic3135]

Ikr

[@linzzeyc6652]

Alan J what do you mean?

[@linzzeyc6652]

Alan J i just don’t understand what you mean.

[@somebodyoncetoldme8703]

hey hey why should a company pay you more if you work less? Of course, prioritizing family is a good thing but from a companies view it makes No sense to pay them more

[@juliadiers1927]

true but then women can't complain that "ThEy EaRn 79ct FoR eAcH dOlLaR a MaN mAkEs"

[@mohamedbahaa5084]

It's not about "Paying women more" as much as it is about "men and women talking equal responsibilities in raising their children" This is true in a lot of homes. Men feel like the majority of the financial responsibility lies in them. and that results in them having no hand in raising their kids. And women feeling like they have all the responsibility of raising their kids. And no opportunity to persue the career they want. If we solve this issue, we both win

[@KK-cn6jv]

This

[@anubis7457]

Actually, according to the statistics presented, about an equal amount of families share the work as compared to the families where women take on the majority. A minority of men take on the majority in their families. This is influenced by the fact that housewives still exist, especially among the older generation, househusbands are relatively new and are typically shamed for it, and that there is just a social role that women are more willing or otherwise feel pressured to fulfill. Anyway, I agree that men should take more interest in child rearing, but disagree that women only rearing is what happens the majority of the time. It's statistically just as likely to be an equal share family (if I had to guess it's the newer generation splitting the work, and as the older generation dies off the percentage will increase).

[@LoFi_Sinner95]

Spot on bro!

[@zain6008]

How is this an issue?

[@russgurpa1306]

Why is that an issue to begin with??? That is a natural course of the day: women get pregnant, have kids and take care of them, thus having no time for work. Men taking financial responsibility for his kids and a woman that takes care of them. Why is that an issue? Oh, I'm sorry, that's patriarchy? Well then, God bless patriarchy!

[@Derpolnischfrosch]

The question is "how do you make 100k straight out of college?!"

[@samueljett7807]

Spend 12 years in college

[@ace50cal1]

Or 12 years in the workforce to aquire skills to get you paid six figures.

[@nqrtzy8765]

win the lottery

[@bronsenpeplinskimartinez6153]

@@samueljett7807 only to work on residency for another 3 years

[@CarOnTheWall]

Go into STEM fields

[@lunardust201]

The wage gap has always been comparing apples to oranges to come up with the gap number. People need to learn how to do correct statistics

[@metallicwind]

comparing people to people doesnt make sense to you?

[@Jex134]

It's not that they don't know how to do correct statistics; one feminist advocacy group after another keeps publishing skewed research with manufactured statistics. It's not that they don't know how to conduct research, or that they don't know how to provide correct statistics, or how to abide by scientific integrity - it's that they specifically choose not to. They specifically choose to manufacture false statistics with skewed research papers because it's the conclusion they want to publish. The reason these advocacy groups research consistently excludes relevant factors like job experience, hours worked, relevant education (etc) is because those factors provide a result they simply don't want to accept. The reality is there's a lot of people who've based their entire careers upon the feminist movement - authors, writers, editors, bloggers, professors, teachers, advocacy group members - a whole spectrum of people who simply can't afford to admit that the wage gap doesn't exist. Their career is specifically dependent on the existence of such things as the wage gap - it would be career suicide for them to admit the truth.

[@metallicwind]

+Jex134 well what is the truth? you cannot just tell me that all of the statistics are manufactured and fake without anything to prove it. you arent convincing me at all. How about we compare the wages between men and women in othee countries. Maybe places that have medical leave for pregnancy (which we still havent cought up with) or places that have free college education to factor out the issue of having a family. That would be the biggest issue skewing these results.

[@metallicwind]

+greatgallade again, prove that to me before spouting it out of your shithole

[@Jex134]

TylerACE93 *_"well what is the truth? you cannot just tell me that all of the statistics are manufactured and fake without anything to prove it."_* There's literally too many for me to cite. Basically every statistic citing 68-89 cents on the dollar relies on manufactured results by excluding relevant factors; they simply compare average earnings by gender, occupation, and age - they deliberately exclude relevant factors like job experience, relevant education, hours worked, sick leave, vacation time etc. *_"you arent convincing me at all."_* I don't care. Your feelings are irrelevant to me. *_"How about we compare the wages between men and women in othee countries."_* For the same reason we don't compare apples to oranges. *_"Maybe places that have medical leave for pregnancy (which we still havent cought up with) or places that have free college education to factor out the issue of having a family."_* We do in my country. We still have an earnings gap on par with the U.S. *_"That would be the biggest issue skewing these results."_* No it isn't. Excluding how many hours the two groups actually worked is by far the single most important factor that is consistently and deliberately left out. Whether or not you paid for your own college isn't remotely as relevant as how many hours you actually worked in comparison to the other group.

[@RiskyNights]

We learn in grade 4 math we need to compare apples to apples. You need to compare men and women who work in the SAME job and who have made the same choices (e.g. no time off, same number of hours, etc.)

[@kajuta240]

That would shatter the gap myth. Cant have that.

[@kawaiidere1023]

Yeah, I’ve heard women do quite well there, but can still be slowed by maternity leave only applying for moms, instead of having paternity leave that can be used for either parent post recovery

[@GG-kn2se]

That’s not the point. The point is women are struggling to balance a career and childcare, and they shouldn’t be punished for choosing the latter (most important role in society) because it is no longer possible to survive on one income. Edit I’m not a third wave feminist I just want to have an honest discussion that leads to good outcomes. And answers like it’s women’s fault for being promiscuous and getting pregnant before having a man are unhelpful because again, 1 income isn’t enough anymore for most and 2 it’s a two way street, men are unwilling to settle down also. Life is unpredictable, there’s many reasons why women have to raise kids alone but also when there are 2 parents 1 income isn’t enough idk why that’s so hard for so many people.

[@Benlovesscience]

@@GG-kn2se company’s like money not family and that’s just how they work

[@zarathustrap2562]

@@GG-kn2se then nature is sexist, because bad news : women bear the children. And they are predestined to be better at parenting than males

[@Jay-ku3ur]

Do a video on the gender death gap in the workplace.

[@sashingopaul3111]

Jay B they won’t. It’ll favour men and their narrative would fall flat on its face

[@dayrohan]

Sounds like a matter of choices, they should just choose another career its not women's fault they choose those jobs.

[@davidsykala6890]

@@dayrohan someone has to do the job, and women arent up for it

[@catkook543]

This video isn't really bad They aren't really trying to push a false narrative They pretty much just said females tend to earn less becuse they can't be as flexible due to family matters

[@davidsykala6890]

@@catkook543 but they are claiming that it is real. When it's not. It's illegal to pay women less than men for the same work

[@BananaPhoPhilly]

It should be called the _earnings_ gap, not wage gap.

[@All4Randomness1]

To be fair, it is still a wage gap. They earn lower wages.

[@All4Randomness1]

mr7wi Am I wrong?

[@All4Randomness1]

mr7wi I agree. It should be called an earnings gap, but it is still technically a wage gap.

[@Helldog6]

What? He literally JUST explained how it's not a wage gap, and has nothing to do with the actual wages of people, and you still think it's "technically" a wage gap? No.... It's technically not.

[@All4Randomness1]

Helldog6 They're the same damn thing! Someone EARNS a WAGE.

[@anthonylipira9526]

If we really care about gender equality, then why focus only on the "wage gap"? There's an employment gap, a workplace fatality gap, an education gap, a mental health gap, and an incarceration gap.

[@feketepeon111]

Don't forget the homeless gap.

[@bleunt]

Wages affect everyone, though. Of course something that affects 50% of people will get more attention than something that affects 10% of people. But you're assuming we can only focus on one thing at the time. That's like saying we shouldn't talk about health care when we need to talk about infrastructure.

[@samb443]

the age gap, suicide gap and custody gap too

[@vaultfault9360]

+bluent A wage gap effects 50% of the people in the same way the workplace fatality gap effects 50% of the people, through generalization. There exist women in higher paying positions just as there are men in safer jobs, but once you make it a generalization it can be considered to effect them all. He isn't assuming we focus on one thing at a time, he is saying that you shouldn't consider each point in a vacuum. Complaining that women make less money while not acknowledging the benefits that come with their choice of work is dishonest. Money is only one measure of success.

[@admiralmudkip9836]

Also a suicide gap

[@jbarrett4258]

4:38 did she really just say that nobody get rewarded for long hours. ever heard of overtime

[@marteung]

Right? I thought I was the only one who had noticed - even without overtime pay... they aren’t still paid per hour? I don’t get it.

[@jmilber]

@@nattr6102 Salaried jobs tend to pay more, and provide far more benefits for employees than hourly jobs.

[@marteung]

OK - women pharmacist are exploited when they’re not paid for overtime - and when the same thing happens to men, that’s a reward?

[@Jarrettmonty99]

@@marteung huh? she was talking about pharmacists at that point, and 'long hours' meaning being the sole employee of your own business. If you can stay open all day, you get all the customers possible = the max profit (the reward). But now pharmacists don't get rewarded for that because there shifts are determined by the company they work for.

[@marteung]

Jarrett Montgomery my whole point is ... the reality you’re describing is the same for both men and women!

[@BulletsAndBloomers]

Please notice how the graph has three categories, "business, science, technology" No physical labor. Because they don't care that 90% of workplace deaths are men. Close that gap.

[@jolieshultz6060]

The reason it's so high is because us women have been told we can't or shouldn't do those jobs

[@2gen918]

Jolie Shultz no one says women shouldn’t go for those jobs, just women don’t go for those jobs

[@aloysiusedits]

Jolie Shultz show me one person who has said that DIRECTLY TO SOMEONE.

[@cadenceew7933]

Hurlz it’s more social factors that contribute to that. It may not feel that way or directly be stated, but that doesn’t mean it’s not happening. Society is still a very big part of inequality or equal opportunity. To say that being equal under the law is to fix everything would be childish at best. Also women still aren’t technically equal as we, the U.S., still haven’t passed the ERA.

[@cadenceew7933]

Theo Hall I’m sure it’s been said by someone. You can’t disprove or prove her argument here. Not sure why you commented what you did. Also it’s not really a blatant sexist thing, but rather a cultural norm. It would be kind of strange for people who have been following traditions and cultures to suddenly do a 180 on everything they know because of equality under the law. Which of course isn’t even equality. We still haven’t passed the ERA...

[@MusicAInz]

"But why do men still earn more?" Because, on average, men are a lot more aggressive/assertive with their wages than women. They are more likely to ask for raises, demand promotions, and tend to work in less favorable conditions to better their professional lives. While that's not saying that some women do not do that, many more men on average tend to than women. Also, that bit on women being primary care providers for children goes much deeper than this video can explain. I'll mainly summarize with "Maternity leave hurts a woman's professional life, while raising those children does so even more".

[@edwardliu111]

Sonu lol the entire point of that video is that it's silly to ask the same of men and women when they have to deal with more chores and family matters. So no men shouldn't get the same amount of time as men and women. Men are not women. Men don't bear children. Men don't breastfeed.

[@KoinzellGaming]

Raise honestly depends on how much value a persons skill has as well as the position you have. In case you are working in a field which doesn't have high specialist qualifications you will be unlikely to get a raise. Chef's, are a workforce where the individual's skills and experience have a direct connection to the quality of food, if they ask for a raise it's highly likely they'll get it (In case they do a good work.). Same with the IT techs. If you work as an accountant or on a "misc" job which does not have a direct connection to the success of the company or quality of service, it's unlikely for you to get a raise. I am working in a company where everyone (Men AND women) get a blanket salary, which increases for everyone after the first 4 months of work. There are bonuses and all of that, but unless you get a promotion, your salary will largely stay the same. I honestly think that this video should be a bit more specific in regards to different work places and statistics that they researched. What companies pay less for the same qualifications? Because if it's simply a "work fields" like it was mentioned in the video, it ignores the differences between companies, which can be quite large. The thing with the IT field is because of the value of their skillset and the intelligence of their work force. They need to make sure that their offer is comparable to other places, because in case there is a different company with a better wage offer, it's likely that people would be aware of it (Because of the internet.) some of the people working for that IT company would simply go work somewhere else with a better wage. It's not the same case in business and other such places.. Not to mention it has also been looked into that women are more likely to change jobs as their priorities are usually on the social circle at the work place, not the wage.

[@chadthundercock4982]

BNot to mention that men on average work longer.

[@KoinzellGaming]

Or that younger women earn more than men right now.

[@DEMIGOD-yc1bm]

Which is why we need better paternity leave times and more social encouragement for working women! *That's* how you fix the wage gap. You fix societal standards, since not every equality issue is a legal issue.

[@chrissmith7563]

Now if people would just start calling the gap what it is. EARNINGS gap. not wage. earnings is how much you earn in a period. wage is how much you make per hour.

[@TheJohnCooper]

Chris Smith but how would that suit the propaganda

[@josephcroeniangamer3727]

So THERE IS a wage gap, just not one that came from discrimination... dude, if you are going to make an analysis, go all the way.

[@royromano9792]

Joseph CroenianGamer Are you assuming that women were willing to move just as far as men to find work? Are you assuming women are equally willing to be alone in a new city that they know nothing about and know no one? Further, are we assuming in this study, that women and men made equal grades at college? I just feel like you are assuming allot. And I think you should look at this issue from another angle.

[@matthewnevin9156]

i agree the entire argument around the wage gap is stupid it's an insane stat that means absolutely nothing and only gets trotted out when a snowflake notices they are losing an argument the saddest thing is everyone just takes it as fact cause were taught it in school i remember thinking thank god i was born a man i was actually surprised when i applied for jobs and there wasn't a different rate of pay for both genders

[@battleframestudios8989]

Sorry to burst your bubble but it's not even an earnings gap. It's a nonexistent gap.

[@ruthiemuqatach5942]

I know woman who purposefully took lower paying jobs to have more time with their kids. That's OK, its their choice.

[@joewood5757]

I think the issue comes with women being hired for less due to the employer anticipating them having children. For instance, you're less likely to be hired as a woman if they ask you in an interview if you are planning to have kids and say yes than if you say no.

[@ruthiemuqatach5942]

@@joewood5757 it's illegal to ask that though

[@joewood5757]

@@ruthiemuqatach5942 true but it does happen

[@bebedor_de_cafe3272]

@@joewood5757 Nah, its showed that woman that have no children are payed more than the ones that have

[@joewood5757]

@@bebedor_de_cafe3272 yeah, same point

[@danielpappas9216]

1:11 unless I need to retake basic mathematics, I believe that 250,000 is not 60% less than 400,000 but okay

[@VV-cy3nw]

Probably meant 60% of 400k.

[@rigilkentaurus3313]

You need to find a calculator.

[@MikeDCWeld]

@@VV-cy3nw yep, seems like a simple mistake in the script that went unnoticed.

[@Danification9]

Yeah, it's 60% of, not 60% less (which would be 40% of)

[@xaviercockerton6989]

Danification Nah pretty sure 0.6x4x10^5= 240000. 62.5% of 4x10^5= 250000.

[@jacksonlakin3738]

They didnt compare actual jobs. Just years after they graduate.

[@smoothy9958]

Years after graduation is better example than jobs

[@blimeygirl4357]

@Undead EAS Productions But that is the point. Why are women not in those jobs that are payed more? What is the reason? Biology? Or could it be their socialization?

[@culio544]

smoothy no that’s dumb

[@brennanfarris9291]

@@blimeygirl4357 that's a woman personal choice.....cmon

[@zogtap]

@@blimeygirl4357 because women are too busy making sandwiches to get a good job

[@davidiancrux]

Soooo the pay gap doesn’t exist.

[@gullybonesart4670]

David Nall Basically. It just boils down to hours worked and choice of job.

[@bezwzglednypierozek7884]

David Nall it exists, becausemany women focus more on family

[@Miguel-qe8xv]

The video points out that a wage gap **does** exist tho. Right out the gate from business school women are taxed 15K during their first year, compared to men. And even women pharmacists make 8% less than men for no good reason. Both those are less severe than the 72/100 gap that's talked about, but they're both still real (and there are real dumb reasons why women-dominated professions are under-valued).

[@royromano9792]

Miguel Valencia It has been my experience that most women, never go out by themselves. Let alone move someplace where they know no one, and nothing about.

[@bezwzglednypierozek7884]

roy romano no, women also migrate, at last in Europe

[@rogeliovaldez6594]

Somthing tells me vox doesn't factor in certain facts for certain reasons.

[@ventner5654]

such as?

[@tolo4762]

@@ventner5654 The fact that men are more likely to work overtime than women, and men are also less likely to take sick days off of work. Men also on average retire at a later age.

[@tolo4762]

Dr. Shaym's video on 36 feminist questions answers and a bunch of his other videos show his sources up on screen.

[@yurimikhail6907]

@@tolo4762 Could you have just link them here, why a middle man?

[@shieldbreaker1000]

@@yurimikhail6907 Because if you took 10 seconds to send a link to everyone lied to about the wage gap myth you'd spend your whole life sending links

[@johnharvey5412]

So, in other words, if a woman wants to make the same as a man, she should earn the same education, get the same job, and work the same hours? Got it.

[@MJ-cq6gz]

That's not what the video said.

[@royjonesrampage6684]

dont forget that she shouldnt have kids

[@anunohmouse7460]

If your point here was to miss the point then you are on point.

[@jf8138]

That is precisely what it was implying, yes. It is saying that there is a smaller wage gap at jobs where women work the same amount. What is YOUR interpretation of the data presented?

[@johnharvey5412]

I won't leave My interpretation was what I just said, but what many people won't admit. People who earn different degrees, get different jobs, work different hours, and negotiate differently will obviously make different amounts of money. If you get an English degree and work as a kindergarten teacher around the schedules of your hideous shrieking spawn, then that's kinda your fault if you make less than an electrician who works overtime every week, no matter which one of you has a Y chromosome.

[@manish236]

Company A (a large company) hires six men and four women, all with equal qualifications, and pays them each $65,000 a year. Company B (a medium company) hires five men and five women, all with the same exact qualifications of those newbies at Company A, and pays them $55,000 a year. Company C (a small company) hires six women and four men, all with the same exact qualifications as the newbies at Company A, but only pays them $45,000. Men: [(6 * $65K) + (5 * $55K) + (4 * $45K)] / 15 = $56,333 average salary Women: [(4 * $65K) + (5 * $55K) + (6 * $45K)] / 15 = $53,667 average salary Difference: (56,333 - 53,667) / 56,333 = 0.0473 There exists a 4.7% gender pay gap, yet no woman is paid less than the men with the same qualifications working in the same company. [The math works in reverse too--give Company A 6 women/4 men and Company C 4 women/6 men--and the men will collectively be paid less than the women.] Numbers can be skewed simply by altering which companies are chosen to compare.

[@paskowitz]

Never has a KZbin comment been so thoughtful. Thank you for actually contributing something intellectual.

[@scyldwulf9863]

More people should "like" your comment, but I think there is too much math for most of them to understand. So sad.

[@manish236]

Thanks :)

[@vishnuv.7807]

bump

[@blueparrot4462]

This is beautiful.

[@FriendlyFire2830]

How to join the STEM field (as a woman): 1.) Be a woman 2.) Be interested in STEM 3.) Get into STEM How to join the STEM field (as a man): 1.) Be a man 2.) Be interested in STEM 3.) Get into STEM

[@ninponighthawk]

you missed the fact that many colleges/universities are almost begging women to go into STEM. offering huge grants or scholarships as an incentive and after college the affirmative action issue arises. Hiring a woman for a job can lead to tax breaks instead of hiring a man. If you are a minority woman and a veteran than you can almost be guaranteed a job since you are a jackpot of check boxes that needs to be marked off for things like government incentives or tax breaks. Basically if you are a straight white male than you are starting from a point of disadvantage.

[@FriendlyFire2830]

+Archangel Gaming But as a straight white male you could still get into the field with the right qualifications. So my earlier comment still stands

[@ninponighthawk]

Not as easily as minorities or women. My resume must stand head and shoulders above an affirmative action hire to justify hiring me instead of getting a tax break. I know this since my ex was a hiring rep and worked HR for the better part of 12 years. So it's not just anecdotal

[@caen9873]

Did you know that in the Stem field, 71 percent of women are sexually harassed?

[@duncetron2528]

Blurry Birb what does that have to do with his point

[@ScubaDaveGSXR]

Kinda funny. She literally highlighted the issue, and yet totally missed it: Women trade pay for flexibility. Men trade flexibility for pay. So her solution is.. make everything flexible so everyone makes the same. Men don’t want flexible, nor the lower pay that involves. They just want the money.

[@theoblivionlord]

You cant dictate flexibility by law, its your personal choice, thats why you cant change it systematically but culturally

[@syedrehanalikhan7677]

Even when adjusted for all these variables, there is a 4% wage gap that even Prager U admits to

[@pablogonzalez6302]

Theres no such thing as wage gap only people asking for days off, or overtime etc

[@RMatt2016]

4:55 “…there will also be particular jobs where you have to work specific hours” Clearly, she’d solution is not “make everything flexible”

[@doroza2lol]

@@syedrehanalikhan7677 That 4 % is probably bonus for doing more. You literally get more when you put more hours and for better products. If you do less and complain alot about working hours to make it more flexible for you, you think that person should get same treatment?

[@theilluminati7287]

If I was a business manager and/or owner, I would set an hourly wage, and pay everyone based on the hours they worked. Wait, I think thats how it already works...

[@Kai555100]

Thx for summarising thins video

[@barryward2128]

Except single people regardless of sex have some of or all of the same issues so your point is still pointless

[@sashingopaul3111]

NPC# 5626718304839 pretty much...

[@davidsykala6890]

@Michelle Le Music Its not always about how many hours they work; I could sit down and do nothing for 6 hours and then someone can do double that and get paid the same, productivity is also a factor

[@davidsykala6890]

@Michelle Le Music I would love to see the difference in productivity between able and disabled people

[@mouwersor]

Sooo the wage gap is only a thing because women generally work less... Why was this even an issue then?

[@rachelfoley7016]

Because they are statistically expected to do more unpaid work: like housework and child care.

[@SpectrumvsGames]

+Will Barclay damn you told her ass. phew

[@NoProbaloAmigo]

Then be honest about it, you want taxpayers, men and WOMEN to subsidize stay at home parents, including MEN.

[@zakirahmedin2184]

The problem is, companies don't care if women do more unpaid work. Housework and child care doesn't help that business that you work for. The only way to really close the wage gap is for men to take care of their kids, and babies need their moms more than their dads.

[@rppdfire]

+Rachel Foley Love how you use the word expected, it's a choice made within a household. Most women "choose" to be the caregiver. You can fight nature all you want, but hell it's natural.

[@mfromthemshow]

Wow I am actually really glad to see a left wing media outlet producing a story with a balanced view. It makes me sad to see how often the news is polarized by either being liberally biased or conservatively biased. Politics haven't always been so polarized. When my parents were kids people couldn't always see the difference between a Republican and a Democrat. But if we start taking a bipartisan look at things, the way as I feel this video has, then I think problems can begin to be solved.

[@jacksonjoestar5035]

Jiminy Christmas To be honest...wages and earnings by definition have no veritable differences..

[@noahschwartz1222]

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[@audreywhalen5141]

Jiminy Christmas a wage gap doesn’t exist, but you are more likely to be promoted if your a man, which explains the statistic. Also getting hired to do the job that pays more adds to it. There is of course still discrimination, and we need to work on fixing it, but it’s not how it’s described.

[@kingoftheinternet1472]

A. W. Or it’s a possibility that it’s easier to hire a man to do more because women are more than likely to have children than men. It’s like if the promotion requires long hours and you rarely get to see your family, unless the woman is overqualified for the position than they’re more likely going with the man

[@DrakeShaw04]

Sorry, I’m a small child from Canada, so I don’t know what the term “left winged” means, if somebody could define it for me it would be greatly appreciated, I’m too fat and lazy to google it

[@brentrose8495]

Interesting the way gap appears to occurr during child bearing years.

[@RababaInc]

surprised pikachu face

[@greekgold4808]

Yea not like they addressed that exact claim in the video

[@esthersue3403]

yeah the video mentioned that...

[@dtester]

omg, babies are stealing all the jobs!!

[@anthonyp2883]

@@dtester fr we need to cancel babies

[@TheNaz01]

what i like about this is that its fairly neutral on what it presents

[@acidicpuddle2]

Except it isn't.

[@Flashbangs_]

Nope

[@georgecataloni4720]

It presents the nuanced facts, which is better than a lot of sources, but it still paints this issue as a problem that needs solving. If it was truly neutral, this video would at least talk about how all of these differences between men and women's choices may be natural. Considering what we know about how testosterone affects behavior, it shouldn't be far fetched.

[@TheNaz01]

but you have to agree they aren't promoting or suppressing any opinions

[@carlolson932]

+George Cataloni So basically, if it were truly neutral, it would agree with you.

[@korppi164]

I don't think there is any problem with a wage gap, as long as yhr choices that lead to that wage gap are free choices made by workers.

[@PavarottiAardvark]

I'd agree. The problem is, in some cases it's *not* a free choice.

[@blackmegriffin9240]

korppi164 Women's wages also pan out equal to men's getting smaller later in life due to an increase in - Divorce!

[@korppi164]

A Stand Statistics for that?

[@PavarottiAardvark]

To use just one example: single mothers abandoned by their partners. Childcare requirements hinder careers, and as the video explains, industries which have more flexible working arrangements are better for women and have a lower gap.

[@korppi164]

PavarottiAardvark But yeah, that is true.

[@truints]

For a wage gap to exist you have to look at specific data. Same job, same work ethic, same hours, same tasks, same everything. Jobs are not all the same, jobs do not demand the same anything, people will not put in the same effort into there jobs. These will all create differences in pay. Woman choose to take the jobs they choose, woman choose to work the amount they choose to work, woman choose to work or not to work. Just the same as men.

[@ViolosD2I]

No, no. They do exactly the same work hours with exactly the same qualifications. Companies are just patriarched into to paying men 33% extra for no benefit.

[@mckinnley333]

Keep telling yourself that

[@ViolosD2I]

Dude...

[@mckinnley333]

Why would companies pay men an additional 33% extra for no benefit

[@Mars20231]

Vio then they would ONLY hire women

[@madtrain8515]

average salary of 400,000 after 9 years out of business school? I'm jealous…

[@bazil4146]

They probably factored in billionaires from multinational corporations

[@bn0113]

@@bazil4146 it's salary, most billionaires who went to business school don't have very high salaries. When Bezos was CEO of Amazon his salary was 70k

[@MemesthanYoutube]

@@bn0113 well taxes

[@TheCelticsAREboss]

it's because they graduated from the chicago school of business. it's considered the best business school in the world.

[@lalslels6359]

Scientists have flexible hours...? Are you insane..? Most scientists work their asses off over hours, they barely have time to do anything else.

[@elliotkamper]

Just because we work a lot doesn't mean our hours aren't flexible.

[@henrym.1290]

@@elliotkamper they really aren’t . I don’t know where you work but if your hrs are flexible clearly there isn’t much work

[@pistolgopewpew2970]

Dude fr I work in a science field and I’ll see emails from my higher ups at like 2 in the morning asking me to check on something. One of my coworkers was even criticized by a higher up for daring to take a week long vacation when results were needed, even when said coworker had been working without any breaks for 2 years... In short, the field can be brutal.

[@henrykid1393]

i think they meant that their hours were inconsistent, sometimes working a lot in a day and sometimes working A LOT

[@jacobgifford5825]

Thank you. I worked as a Chemist for 4 years. On average I put in 70hrs/week in my lab. I earned salary. No free time to speak of. I quit and left science entirely. I teach now (private lessons) and have so much free time compared to what I used to.

[@heckyeah4314]

I appreciate that this video acknowledges that the wage gap is not caused by discrimination. However, it still maintains that women choosing lower paying jobs on average is a problem. Since when has making a choice that impact nobody but yourself been a bad thing?

[@thearcheduck8746]

it is not, shes just saying that women choose low paying jobs with short hours because of children.

[@heckyeah4314]

Still not a problem or an injustice.

[@thearcheduck8746]

Oscar Binning read.

[@heckyeah4314]

ArcDuc Ah, I took your meaning to be that is not what she is saying.

[@tehguitarque]

You think there isn't a societal problem that hurts women more than men, when almost half of all households have the majority of childcare responsibilities put on the mother? (That's for both parents working full time!!!) While the analysis was good, I think they actually cop out in this video. Yes more flexible hours would help, but if men and women took a more equal share in taking care of children, then more flexible hours would benefit both men and women equally.

[@deannavestal1394]

in my house... my husband has a Bachelor's Degree... me? I hold 3 Technical State Licenses. between 24-30 I made almost double as a hairstylist to what my husband earned as a business analyst. At 30 we had another child and I went to being a stay at home mom until 36 when I returned back to the work force and yes he made twice as much maybe closer to 3 time as much as I did until 40 when I retired from being a stylist and where we now work at the same company and make equal bank Salary. I honestly believe that when the "wage gap" it's to enrage people or make a demographic feel more oppressed then what really is the truth.

[@lindenbree9188]

Your last sentence, you nailed it. In an equal society, the only things left to fight for are hard to fix and don't directly impact a lot of middle class people. So instead of caring about real issues, since that's too hard, people invent problems about oppression or whatever to scream about and feel like they're actually making a difference.

[@AlexanderCorona]

Linden Bree we're not creating a problem, there is a problem. A good example to look at where men are clearly paid more money is in sports, and sport sponsorship. There are way more men getting paid huge sponsorship deals and salaries, and when women do get paid to do sponsorship stuff they are paid for their bodies and not their talents, like Maria Sharapova, so they are highly sexualized. Maybe the "Wage Gap" isn't necessarily affecting you, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There are many factors that have led up to this problem being created and dismissing it because you do not see it is just blinding yourself from social constructions. It's a much heavily studied topic amongst credible sociologist over the years, so I would have to disagree that this issue was just invented to get people upset.

[@lindenbree9188]

Alex Ander If female sports stars are getting paid less, I would assume it's because they have a smaller audience, therefore aren't as popular, and because of this, they're not in high demand for sponsorship. Likewise, male strippers get paid less because there's not as big an audience for him compared to female strippers. This isn't a female-exclusive problem When I say there's no gender wage gap, I'm referring to how it is illegal for a company to pay their male and female workers different amounts for the same amount and quality of work. And in those situations, there is not a wage gap that overall favours men. The show and entertainment business is a different situation, because the amount of audience you have is a major source of your revenue and the determining factor if you're a good investment for sponsors. If people simply want to see male sports stars and female strippers, then that's that. Unless you want to force people to view what they don't want to. By wage gap, I'm referring to institutionalized pay rates, not audience revenue. Audience/consumer driven revenue is naturally going to differ depending on what's most high in demand

[@deannavestal1394]

I honestly don't see a wage gap in your statement. I have never gone into a job that had a salary that was different for men or women. Now talking sports and entertainment careers is like apples and oranges when comparing it to Salary and work force Careers. I have a Brother who was a Professional Skateboarder, well he made less then some Boarders and made more then other Boarders, this was not a wage gap this was popularity demand from the public and the more popular someone is the higher chance of larger sponsorship. Another examples is a Heavy Weight Fighter makes more then a Banny Weight Fighter because more people wants to watch big guys beat on each other then 100lb guys... again popularity controls the sports and entertainment world, not a wage gap.

[@A86]

Protip: A personal anecdote doesn't debunk a national trend with data. You are what's called a statistical outlier.

[@adammurray4848]

1:00 - men earn $400,000 but women earn 60% less at $250,000%... that’s 62.5% as much, not 60% less (which would be $160,000)

[@joshmuir8058]

An obvious misspeak

[@тралльилитный-ь7я]

@@joshmuir8058 A person wrote it, another checked it, and then another said it. Either it's astonishing incompetence, or deliberate misinformation.

[@StuffedVulture]

With math skills like that, maybe that's why they're making less.

[@MrLogicGuy]

250 x 1.6 = 400,000

[@jonatansvendsen269]

@MrLogic Guy 60% more and 60% less isn't the same thing

[@12345shipreck]

Until the age of 35, women are payed more than men on average and have a 2:1 chance compared to men of getting a job in STEM fields. Totally equal right? No.

[@gaberodriguez3732]

Sadly its true

[@jaredbullock5366]

Don't forget women are more likely to get into college.

[@Sarahnewks]

mobile.nytimes.com/2012/09/25/science/bias-persists-against-women-of-science-a-study-says.html?_r=0

[@LiteralDanger]

Do you have academic sources for this?

[@jamacngyallis]

I guess you all didn't hear about the experiment in sweden where the govt actively tried to get more women in STEM. Didn't work. Why? They didn't want STEM jobs, they wanted jobs that made them happy, money wasn't the issue.

[@Rowow]

"what people miss" You mean what feminists miss? Normal humans already knew this from the start. There is nothing surprising.

[@BiologyPhia]

Are you serious? I've yet to see one of your strawman 'feminist' comment. The main comments are by people closing their eyes and complaining that there is no gap.

[@Rowow]

BiologyPhia I have to agree that alot of people here are disliking before the video starts, but thats because of the bias and history of vox. This is their first unbiased video on the gender pay gap that actually explains the flaws of the statistics rather then accepting it as fact and gospel.

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

+robert karas They are not explaining "flaws in the statistics", they are explaining why the statistics are as they is and they are explaining why it's a much more complicated issue than a lot of people, (on both sides of the debate), often portrai it as.... But I agree with you that it was nice to see a video where they cover the topic as something that's more nuanced and complicated! It would be great if more people took that approach to a lot of topics!

[@Rowow]

GorillaGuerilla The statistics was a failure... If you consider taking the average of 2 things and calling it a day then you need to go back to school and re-take statistics.

[@yanzx01]

average of what 2 things?

[@marcusbarkus2971]

Maybe the fact that it doesn't exist?

[@prathyushmandar]

How about you maybe watch the video and try to learn something ?

[@ania0the0amazing]

so you just choose to ignore all research that has been done?

[@zeroarticulation]

+awe1507 yes but the people that argue on this talk about American wage.

[@haiggoh]

It does exist, but not because of "patriarchal oppression of female employees", but rather because of other factors that the video laid out pretty well. Plus, the 79 Cents on the Dollar figure is very misleading and shouldn't be used as a catchphrase without further explanation (as it unfortunately is most of the time)

[@FuckOffYouDouchbag]

+awe1507 don't worry he's just a troll who almost certainly did not watch this video nor was he looking to engage in conversation. It exists in all societies but you're right, its so much harsher in countries like India, particularly when coupled with slow bureaucracy, poverty and sometimes corruption.

[@JustGrizzzz]

You legit debunked your own video Woman pay more attention to kids And males are more likely to do overtime because they are seen as the provider

[@herec0mestheCh33f]

I don't think they did. They simply argue that the gap exists for reasons other than straightforward, outright legally defined discrimination. That a gap exists for a different reason does not make it not exist. I think there was a Harvard study that people use a lot when they want to "debunk" the wage gap that points this out pretty well, dunno if it's the same one referenced in the video. In it, it's mentioned that men tend to take up longer hours and more dangerous jobs, and more women in labor fields with fluctuating hours tend to be given/take less overtime and so on. Or they tend to stay at home to raise the chill'uns and such, which is, of course, not going to make money usually. This doesn't debunk the wage gap, and it's silly to say it does. It just means that the wage gap exists for other reasons than legally defined discrimination. if I would hazard a guess, i would point to toxic social prescriptions placed upon both men and women, like being expected to "win the bread" for the family unit, or being expected to stay at home and raise the chilluns, which isn't usually a money earner. If we want to combat said gap, we as people need to examine those reasons at large and see what can be done, rather than sticking to factually incorrect arguments. Gendered expectations are, after all, something we grow up expected to live by, and they shape how we see the world pretty strongly.

[@camrynvb5803]

Doge Guy and then boys get an attitude

[@Shutupb1tch420]

You know stay-at-home dads are a thing right? It depends on the person's relationship and beliefs on who is going to care for the child/children and who is going to work and provide for the family

[@Shutupb1tch420]

@@rigojr3935 Men work overtime and woman take care of kids. Quite simple really

[@jdrab]

@@rigojr3935 can you point me to these studies?

[@cookiopussps5579]

Earnings =/= wage

[@antonellodaburrano2590]

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[@jacksonjoestar5035]

This isn't discrete structures...you dont need to pretend to be pedantic to create imaginary missing details based on word choices...

[@BroudbrunMusicMerge]

Jackson Joestar ... there are multiple things wrong with that.

[@jacksonjoestar5035]

So name one of them.

[@PegasusV5]

Earnings which is a SUM does not equal the PAY RATE is what you failed to understand with that simple phrase. @Jackson Joestar

[@arcticbeak]

Who the hell makes 400k $ in a year? That were over 30k a month! And why am I the only one in the comments asking this?

[@chevywoods6084]

That can’t be everyone who goes to business school I highly doubt it. Of course I could be wrong. Anyway I’m hopping on this comment kinda late lol

[@chevywoods6084]

Dan Schmidt oh yeah I believe that for sure. But I think the video was referring to ppl only a few years out of college.

[@nobad6134]

@@chevywoods6084 Actually a Managing Director at an investment bank (which is the position before Partner and then Executive Team) can make that amount. Even a VP if they are at an elite highly productive and industrious can take home total 400k including bonus. You don't have to be a Partner or CEO at a corporate firm to make mid to high six figures. The levels for those Partner and CEO jobs are in the millions.

[@mushroomcastle5184]

Fake news, most can't even get jobs

[@thomas2446]

People who use correct grammar.

[@kristinacatherine5121]

"both worked full time" full time could mean anything from 35 to 80 hours per week

[@Axrover]

No, working 35 and 80 hours a week is not the same. Feminists complain women make "79 cents per dollar.' However, they remain mum on the fact that men work more hours. When you complain about that and demand that it is illegal for men to work more than women, then I will get behind your "wage gap" fantasy.

[@eriknelson9490]

Joel Perez Kristy's point was that 35 hours and 80 hours are both categorized as "full time", one of which is probably making OT. You make wage Gap debunking look tribalistic and inconsiderate.

[@pbgletsplay]

EXAMPLE:Suzie & Brad both have a wage of $30/hr. Both worked 8 hours however Brad worked an extra 2 hours over time (Australian overtime rate 1.5) where as Suzie went home to tender to her family. For working 10 Hours Brad was payed $330, Suzie however was payed $240. Brad EARNT an extra $90 but both have the same wage of $30/hr.DOES EVERYONE UNDERSTAND NOW>?

[@skrtZgod]

Phoenix Brothers Gaming learn English. And btw that makes no sense, you just pulled numbers out your arse buddy.

[@nessy3098]

9-5. It's not a hard concept.

[@rimjhimchakraborty9365]

What I understood from this: 1. The gap decrease when women get older. 2. Gap is more when women are in late 20s and 30s. 3. Gap is more for women with kids. Mostly because of addition of family responsibilities. 4. Jobs in different sections have different results. Gaps in science and tech very small and men and women earn almost equal. Business shows more gap. Three types of works are there, one, flexible times, two, fixed times and three availability at particular times. The first two does not cause any problem, the 3rd one makes a section of women to choose between family and work. Conclusion: wage gap exists but between a certain age period and a type of work and work requirements. Family and work life balance and sharing of responsibility and choices plays a role in the gap. Possible Solutions: Making working hours more flexible or fixed if and wherever possible. (I think, choosing career where it compliments ones personal life choices also seems important but obviously it depends on what someone gives or in some cases feels pressured to give more importance to) Sharing family responsibilities more equally with more mutual understanding and family support. Seems nice💕. Did I miss anything?🤔

[@LiamInviteMelonTeee]

Thanks, was looking for this

[@erwtokritoskornaros1787]

Business world is competitive , just in one Week one of the biggest German Companies went from "everything is ok to Bankruptcy". How do you expect a flexible or fixed working hour model to solve that sudden change? 2008 Financial crisis in a matter of a month everything were upside down. Only that month the meetings in every company to plan a strategy were more than 8 hours. Tell me how you expect that kind of Mass in working hours can be just like that distributed? Pay gap theory would be a fact if you had for the same hours, for the same Qualifications different Incomes. But your Solution is just ......Fairy Tale

[@rimjhimchakraborty9365]

@@erwtokritoskornaros1787 did you miss "if and wherever possible"? There are many business fields, so solutions may depend on that, there can be other solutions which govt, experts and employers can work out. Anyway it's not my solutions, watch the video again for details. Btw, many things that exist today was a fairy tale in past.

[@akulenova2075]

Thanks, was looking for this out the thousands comments of people who didn’t even bother watching the video.

[@nidhipandey2174]

Woah!! Thanks lot. Simply and crisply explained 🙂

[@theword123451]

So there's no wage gap. Just an earnings gap. Employers aren't sexist. Maybe people will finally listen.

[@frozenrats]

Brian Mbogo There was a Social Studies sub that was talking all about how we should all be worried about the wage gap and nobody in the class believed her bullshit

[@zackgravity7284]

'Maybe people will finally listen' yeah good luck with that...

[@derikmarkonchi8507]

If you can prove that women are underpaid even though they have: same job, same task, same employer, same hours, same years of experiences, same efficiency, same company, and the same productions, then I will believe in wage gap

[@feykro222]

But nobody can because it is illegal for a very long time.

[@PavarottiAardvark]

Indeed, illegal things never happen. That's why no-one takes any illegal drugs and no-one ever gets a speeding ticket.

[@feykro222]

You don't get it. There is no gain for companies. They would get so huge fine and so big backslash from media and people, that it would ruin the company. It's not worth the risk

[@PavarottiAardvark]

In december 2017 the UK Tax office named and shamed 260 companies that were illegally underpaying their staff. These things still happen.

[@Nightdare]

260 companies don't create a 18% (or whatever the height in the UK) wage gap, for that to happen, ALL companies must underpaying (only) their female employees

[@leavocado3926]

The wage gap doesn't tell us how long they've been working there, what they've done, or their productivity. It just tells us their wages.

[@wesomek]

Then the conversation should be about why women don't want to work in risky jobs like coal mining or construction. When the wage gap argument came around it was because of a super general study looking at raw wages. If one sex puts their life at risk more often then another they will get paid more to do so simple as that.

[@AngelLestat2]

Another cause is that women tend to choose similar jobs and careers, meanwhile men are way more diversify, these creates a lot more workers that are needed in certain jobs, so the competence in those jobs rise and the salary of all those professionals is reduced. Why women choose the same hobbies and careers? the answer is easy.. Culture inertia since religión times. Most religions did not allow women to do the same things that men did, they could not study, work in some jobs, or do almost nothing more than take care of their childs.. That is the gap you are looking for.

[@A86]

@jesse spence - Most men DO NOT work dangerous jobs and not all dangerous jobs habe danger pay (like roofers, ditch diggers, etc.). So, danger pay doesnt explain the gap in most cases. Also, this is dealing with gaps within the same job.

[@tothumn]

AngelLestat2 But modern society is the very opposite and women are encouraged. Alternative explainations; BIOLOGY, men are (on average) better at certain things because of their physiology and that includes certain brain functions. Women are better at other things, we are different by nature. This should not limit any individual but will show differences at a statistical level. Science should not be politically incorrect. Giving credit for men for something should not be politically incorrect either. Other perspective: why would you choose harder, more dangerous jobs when you can have it easier because others will provide for you and not look at you primarily as you are your career achievements? Sounds like a colossal privilege. Women were allowed to do almost any jobs. They most often didnt have to. Opression was no doubtedly a result of a strict society, but how we look at history from our modern comfortable perpective is incredibly one sided. Lots of things were inappropriate for women out of concern for them. Yet there were female rulers, scientists, blacksmiths, traders always, because when they had what it takes, they did it. What you said has some truth on it , religions were/are restrictive to women, but to really look at who we are you need an evolutionary perspective, and also an emphasis on responsiblity and not just rights.

[@Cecilia-ky3uw]

No women can be coal miners quite easily

[@suhailamehrez4010]

What I learned from this video: go to business school

[@dathunderman4]

They went to uchicago, one of the top business schools in the nation. You’re not earning that same type of money going to just any mba school

[@GrubbyPaddler]

Get a trade... do something you enjoy... or go into debt for a price of paper up to you

[@davidgeorge5109]

@@GrubbyPaddler If you are going to a top business school, you will out earn any labour job within the first year

[@dinamosflams]

Or medical and computer engeneering

[@johnnybravo2926]

If women make 79 per dollar a man makes, why don't businesses ONLY hire women because they don't need to pay them as much?

[@treyroy755]

The stat is real, you just think it's bs because you don't actually understand what the stat is saying and you're taking it for something it is not. The stat is NOT "on the same job, every woman is paid 21 cents less than a man would be". The stat is that when comparing the MEDIAN income of men and women, a woman makes 79 cents for every dollar a man makes. It's a very general and irrefutable stat that isn't very hard to calculate (economists are CONSTANTLY finding the medians of everything), but it leaves a lot of room for interpretation when discussing what causes it and what should be done (if anything).

[@kaarthuisplus]

Yeah, that's one hell of an assumption you're making there Trey Roy.

[@treyroy755]

Ambidextrous voter If you watched the video...

[@ryanp1922]

The stat is NOT "on the same job, every woman is paid 21 cents less than a man would be" Agreed! This video actually dug into the reality of the situation. But the politicians and talking heads that complain about the wage gap very often DO talk about the stat in a very misleading manner.

[@krim7]

Do you even understand what the debate is about? Women earn less as a whole than men. On the job, they earn the same as their peers. The problem is that they take time off to raise a family and work lower paying jobs that have more flexible hours so as to help be there for their family. The problem is that, culturally, we as a society disproportionately foist the burden of raising children upon women rather than men.

[@adenj1024]

isn't it illegal to pay women less than men ?

[@benbauer7645]

It's not a factor of being paid less but a factor of earning less. Two separate topics all together.

[@samcoates8944]

+Aden Journée It's illegal to pay a woman less JUST because she is a woman.

[@doeixo]

Also, If it was true, bosses would only employ women as they would save money by doing that. That would result on lots of men being unemployed. Less men employed but being paid more and more women employed but being paid less so the statistics of what both sexes earn would tend to an equilibrium.... in a free market If you legislate it the whole equilibrium falls apart, and it would have the same effect that minimum wage laws, unemployent

[@doeixo]

***** any reasonment backing your afirmation? And... maybe what you say is true, I didnt deny it, but it´s reasonable to expect that as freer the market, smaller the gap.

[@olican101]

Its also illegal to rape a person. If you do a quick google search you will see that rapes still occur.

[@BroudbrunMusicMerge]

When people add "for the same work" onto the end of the 79% statistic, they severely harm the chances of actually discovering the causes of the difference.

[@GundelSince2011]

BroudbrunMusicMerge Wage is money for time. So the differences in working hours makes no difference in the statistic. It states for one hour of worl, men get more than a woman does for one hour of work.

[@quwokka-e5l]

@GrundelSince2011 Hm yes and no. If you look it in a long term way, the person who works on average 5-10h more per week, will be more valuable for a company because of ...you know, more commitment and so on. Also if you add up this "overtime" and say 5h per week more (for example), this will add up to 1 Year of more work experience in ca. 8 years of work - which also shows skillwise. You cant just take a few numbers and build the arethmetic average and call it a day, there are a lot of variables to look at. edit: woops wrong math :P

[@TheKirschbaumfee]

BroundbrunMusicMerge well women do get less paid for the exactly the same job. and while this may be not 79% and instead, i dont know, lets say 85% in one specific field i dont really care about the number, do you? its more about the fact that women work more hours in general and nethertheless get less paid in general.

[@nox9775]

ann no they don't they work less hours less overtime plus yes the present is important because if you don't know the percent you have no facts to back your claim plus this is business school men normally are more aggressive getting better deals and a study found women are not only more likely to get hired and because our public education is crappie more likely to get through college and get paid about 110% the wages men get for the same job now a days do to not wanting to get attacked over the pay gap

[@nox9775]

Percent

[@speedtime1218]

I’m about to end this video Men work longer hours

[@skullcrusade3436]

Women's hours: only 60 minutes Men's hours: 80 minutes Yup, men do work in longer hours

[@mazuki7602]

Skull Crusade343 where u got them numbers from

[@skullcrusade3436]

@@mazuki7602 Well, being a man myself, I concluded that I do work longer hours. I timed myself with two phones, one set to ring after an hour, and one counting up. Then when the timer rang I checked and saw it was 80 min, turns out men are in a hyperbolic-time-chamber.

[@Flannel-Channel8837]

Well on average there are going to be outliers

[@gabrielalvespereira2635]

@@skullcrusade3436 nearly 25% more and that is the wage gap's porcentage

[@tankinator451]

Women also have more flexibility with time off then men. My dad used to work 9 hours a day only using about 5 days vacation time a year because that's what his boss had him do. My mom, on the other hand, would often work about 5-7 hours a day and have closer to 2 weeks vacation time. They both worked full time, and my mom worked less and made less, while my dad worked more and made more. Therefore, I have always found the wage gap more of an issue of one gender working more hours then the other one and that is usually left out of the stats on the issue.

[@schroederluck7984]

Fluffy Unicorn And there's when real understanding of how businesses operate comes in to play. I'm going to paint you a scenario real quick to help you get in the shoes of those who pay salaries. Picture yourself as an employer. You are a branch manager at a computer tech company. You are hiring a few new young faces to help replace two employees who recently left to start their own company, and to help your company really connect with the younger generation. You interview several qualified candidates, but you obviously want to make sure you lock up the best candidate overall as your top priority. The best potential candidate would be an educated, promising employee in the field with a good office presence. You would also like someone who could work a full 40 hour week, yet is also flexible (keep in mind, 32-40 hrs/wk is considered full time). Now, men and women could both potentially fulfill the first 2 requirements. However, statistics show that men are more likely to fulfill the subsequent requirements more often in the given age range. As an employer, you offer the best candidate a solid salary and are willing to negotiate for a bit more to ensure the candidate picks your company over someone else's, especially over your former employee's new startup. Statistically speaking, in this age range, assuming that the men and women you interviewed are equal in all qualifications (education, experience, personality etc) other than time and flexibility on average, it is more likely that you will be offering a man that higher salary. His potential ceiling in terms of value he brings to you and the company is simply higher due to the increased time he is able to put in every day at work and even at home. As he works and proves himself to you as an employer and his value increases, his compensation rightfully increases over time. The other candidate you brought on, a woman, has an infant at home and works 32 hours per week and is unable to go above and beyond as she would like to due to other responsibilities. Her raises and bonuses may still come around eventually because she is still a great employee, but since she isn't as valuable as the other employee in terms of time and flexibility, all other things still being equal, you simply cannot justify mirroring her wage with the man who is able to perform a larger volume of work. There are other factors at play here, but this one is huge. Despite all the pushes for equality and whatnot, there will always be certain roles between the sexes due to biological processes that prevents "equality" in the modern sense, with one of the main processes being that of child bearing, which leads into child raising and home making. If you really really want to simplify it as much as possible, I'll leave you with this one sentence. Men simply get a head start in the workforce when their wives or partners have children.

[@Bob5mith]

"I think that they were comparing the amount earned per hour." Nope, not even close. It's just BLS median annual earnings for people who work more than 30 hours per week. "The ratio of women’s and men’s median annual earnings was 78.3 percent for full-time/year-round workers in 2013." This does not take anything into account besides annual pay. Not hours worked, not occupation, not seniority, not experience, not education, nothing is take into account. "In 2013, the ratio of women’s to men’s median weekly full-time earnings was 82.1 percent" This does not take anything into account besides weekly pay. Not hours worked, not occupation, not seniority, not experience, not education, nothing is take into account. "In 101 of the 112 occupations, the gender earnings ratio of women’s median weekly earnings to men’s is 0.95 or lower (that is, a wage gap of at least 5 cents per dollar earned by men); in 17 of these occupations the gender earnings ratio is lower than 0.75 (that is, a wage gap of more than 25 cents per dollar earned by men)." This only accounts for "occupation" ("Cashiers", "Managers, all other", "Office clerks, general", "Financial managers") and weekly pay. Not hours worked, only very broad occupation categories, not seniority, not experience, not education, almost nothing is take into account. www.iwpr.org/publications/pubs/the-gender-wage-gap-2013 www.iwpr.org/publications/pubs/the-gender-wage-gap-2013-differences-by-race-and-ethnicity-no-growth-in-real-wages-for-women/at_download/file www.iwpr.org/publications/pubs/the-gender-wage-gap-by-occupation-and-by-race-and-ethnicity-2013/at_download/file That last one is as close as the Institute for Women's Policy Research comes to evaluating "equal pay for equal work." That is, they come nowhere near the "equal work" part of the claim. It's all about "equal pay for unequal work."

[@beatrizanguiano1161]

Chris Sherman right? Because women are mainly focused on family, such as taking their kids to doctors appointments. You have to keep in mind that women are working AND raising children unfortunately. ‘Cause MOST men(not all) are lazy. It’s a universal thing, you don’t need evidence to see that. 😅 ops! That came out sorry.

[@Montork]

"is unable to go above and beyond as she would like to due to other responsibilities." i believe you mean "she is already going above and beyond every single day." most jobs also expect any woman on the team to do any number of small tasks they wont get noticed for or paid for, eg: making coffee, or arranging company parties. something you also (im assuming due to the male entitlement and gaze) seem to ignore? " Despite all the pushes for equality and whatnot, there will always be certain roles between the sexes due to biological processes that prevents "equality" in the modern sense, with one of the main processes being that of child bearing, which leads into child raising and home making." ah, cute. you believe in ingrained sex roles.. the kind of thing that is usually taught to children by their parents at a young age.. im sure us also believe women without children.. or with no maternal instincts are "lesser" and not using her body for its intended purpose. gender is fluid. who stays at home and minds the child should depend on the individuals..

[@schroederluck7984]

I responded to the question your statement brought up, which was "How does that explain the wage gap per hour?". By the way, the statistics don't show hourly rates. It's not as in depth as you think it is. Regardless, even if it were hourly, I gave you an explanation. You say that you don't see why the woman has to raise the child. That's irrelevant. What is actually relevant is how many women in America share your same view and follow through on that view. Because women physically bear the child and are able to breastfeed, they typically are the ones to stay home. Ideals don't mean anything when men and women are not exactly the same. Both are equal, but not the same. If they were the same, there would be no need for both of them.

[@someone890]

I'm just glad the word "patriarchy" wasn't used. So I listen, and she's got some pretty valid points I think.

[@carrionvermiform4352]

this video is about patriarchy

[@algonzalez6853]

she did, she ended up saying that if women choose more "male" jobs the wage gap will fade more and more

[@algonzalez6853]

so i dont live in a patriarchal country cause we've had a female president for 8 years?

[@JohnSmith-hs1hn]

The validity of an argument shouldn't be based on what words you do or don't like.

[@margaridasantiago7009]

John Smith thank you

[@Nickknows00]

all the dislikes are those who dont like hearing facts

[@Josh-wr5ib]

word

[@theangel666100]

Cant wait for all the cry babies to downvoted

[@GunShySunshine]

All of the comments saying it doesn't exist when the video literally explains how and why it exists

[@skatei]

just the way she speaks, makes me wanna slap that bitch's mouth shut.

[@elizah9408]

It exists, but it's mostly because of women halting career progression by choosing to have kids, or by choosing lower paying jobs. That isn't to say that discrimination doesn't occur, but it's an incredibly small effect on the issue.

[@OustFox]

I understand this argument and think it's valid at a lot of points, but dang you missed the major point that the wage gap DOES NOT take into account anything but the MEDIAN WAGES. That's it. Not job, economic status, work time and hours. Literally just the median wage. Sigh

[@opal5149]

There’s been other studies that look at gaps within the same exact job, or even down to one specific company. And they all still find women are payed less, even if you control for per hour, education, and the exact job. These inequalities tend to get bigger when it comes to higher end jobs.

[@ridlesambow3729]

@@opal5149 cite them u primitive human being

[@AizakkuZ]

@@opal5149 never cited 😭

[@azizmahfoud3626]

@@opal5149 also waiting for source

[@Cobbido]

@@opal5149 Really? Where can one find these studies?

[@Dsworddance22]

I watched the whole thing before I consider disliking, and this seems interesting. It's not a blatant feminist video saying that discrimination exists against women in the work place, but the video shows actual research and studies as to how the pay gap widens in strict, inflexible jobs because of how women bear children.

[@Dsworddance22]

This video doesn't assume that women get paid less than men for the same job because of sexism

[@GunShySunshine]

Thanks for that, lots of kneejerk reactionary comments from people who didnt even bother watching the video

[@mrx6795]

Yep, that's what I realised.

[@theangel666100]

Omg, the denial in this comment. Even with all these facts and you still don't believe in the gender wage gap. Ridiculous.

[@SCP--di8ke]

+Bobo Jojo hey it's his opinion

[@jackarta3623]

Wait icecream testing is a job Im in

[@wtfiswrongwithyou9045]

Nicholas Ananda jellyfish flavored icecream

[@tonyraffetto931]

Nicholas Ananda I did it for 5 years. It gets old fast

[@boiboi6180]

At what age are we allowed to test ice cream and get pay?

[@jezz2k]

Sounds like a cool job.... sorry, lol.

[@joecope9935]

My wife was an icecream tester. It does get old fast.

[@MrFreeGman]

If employers could get away with paying women less for doing the exact same job no one would ever hire men. People make exactly what they earn.

[@johnpaulsamonte7591]

Employers might think that men have better skill set for the job. or they might even think that married women might take maternity leaves. so that argument really depends.

[@MrFreeGman]

+John Paul Samonte And who would know better than the employer who has that experience? Have you considered the possibility that they're right?

[@lilmax86]

+MrFreeGman - Also, women supposedly underestimate themselves in the workplace. But what if THEY are right? The notion that women consistently underestimate themselves suggests that they are incapable to assess their own competence. Sounds pretty sexist to me.

[@grantcivyt]

+John Paul Samonte What +MrFreeGman said is true, but it's also true that the marketplace is full of mistaken assumptions that need rectification. However, the market also builds in a mechanism for correcting those misconceptions: profit. If you believe that you've identified an industry where the employers have *mistakenly* assessed that men are preferable to women, well then you have an arbitrage opportunity that will make you money. Even better is that your discovery, if true, will make the world a better place for women *and men* alike! Go for it!

[@e89647]

This assumes we have an efficient market. If we had an efficient market and the correct people got the correct pay and the correct jobs. Donald Trump would not be president, Enes Kanter wouldn't make 10+ million a year, Jim Harbaugh would still coach the 49ers, Steve Jobs would not have been fired from Apple the first time, Yahoo would figure find a good CEO for the millions they pay instead of flipping them every year, baseball wouldn't have rated average higher than obp for 100 years, the EPA transition team leader would have a science degree. Do I have to go on?

[@JeSsE10mCcOy11]

Wage gap: *exists* Debunking statistics: how many times do we have to teach this lesson, old man?

[@chimmy1161]

The future is now, old man

[@mattb3910]

he was probably working

[@howtoby27]

Harambe was innocent

[@Pxrish]

r.i.p my prince🙏

[@matbbm]

Black Lives Matter!!

[@noasleeper9527]

stay woke

[@thheonmnaisx]

WTH? Harambe? Didn't expect him to be in the comments of this video.

[@ankylosaurs4387]

+SOOOOL all lives matter

[@brucinator9mm]

Men should take on more "mothering roles" and they also should get the same rights as a woman in custody disputes.

[@dogman10x]

preach it!

[@coffeepot3123]

If men are expected to take on the mothering roles then women should paint the house, shift roof tiles, fix the car and do mens part. :-)

[@CapTrainT]

Except most men do not want to take on "mothering roles" and most women do.

[@tinahu90]

+Enclave Soldier is that supposed to be hard? I'm a college students and I'm doing all that for my mom. So pretty sure I'll have no problem doing those for myself in the future.

[@kylelussier7323]

+CapTrainT Exactly. And women do not want to work as hard as men when it comes to jobs. Hence they make less

[@hyp3r432]

*Men make up 94% of workplace deaths and suicides.* But we aren’t arguing to close that gargantuan gap are we? In addition, *the wage gap is irrelevant*, as despite ‘earning’ less, women control more money than men. Men earn 61.5% of all income, but only account for 25% of domestic spending. Men only spend 40% of what they earn after tax. In contrast, women make up 38.5% of all income, but control 75% of domestic spending, meaning women *on average spend 90% more money than they earn*. 3rd wave feminism is a joke..

[@Ray-wy4kq]

3rd Wave Feminists don't know what it's like to have men spend money for them.

[@Wong89138]

You got sources for that? and duh women spend more because obviously a part time working housewife is going to spend her days buying all the stuff the family needs. If they control for that and find women spend more on personal unnecessary expenses more than the men that would be actually interesting

[@h4ppy3nd]

+Jeff Albertson Wait, you don't count your rent/mortgage, electricity, water and gas bills? What about groceries (laundry detergent, cleaning supplies, paper toilet, shampoo, family meals, etc)? Leisure? Vacation? Food for your child? Clothes and toys and school supplies? Is that supposed to be your wife's share?

[@hyp3r432]

You cant force wage equality in a society that expects men to be the primary providers. 78% of US women said a partner with a steady job was the most important trait in a future spouse. Furthermore, 75% said they’d have a problem with dating someone without a job. Only 4% would go out with an unemployed man.

[@hyp3r432]

Even with spending on children accounted for, women still spend more money on themselves than the combined spending for men and children. This can even be observed in the floor space allocated to women's products in most shopping centres.

[@gabrielking7855]

Wage gap in ten seconds: John worked 10 hours and got $100 Sally worked 8 hours and got $80 Go to war, that's what I'm counting on.

[@richardking8016]

@@Dimitris_Half Because she is taking care of a child.

[@richardking8016]

@@Dimitris_Half It's a choice between a married couple to decide who will spend more time to help raise the child. On average, it's the mother. You can't blame a mother's love for a child.

[@mecha103himanshubaware3]

@@Dimitris_Half James is single and Sally wants to get married when here age cross 25 because she is more insecure

[@colekade5948]

@Requiem Real mature.

[@mecha103himanshubaware3]

@@Dimitris_Half if she has so much problem then she should not married or should chose a man who are ready to quit job and take care of children

[@MaMahmod]

ever hear of that man who devorced his wife because she can not support him financially?

[@bu3asalli]

*divorced

[@de132]

Yes, there are definite trophy husbands

[@Psera]

What does this have to do with the video?

[@RikerWilson]

+Psera everything

[@toricarter9907]

ever hear of that working woman and her child-rearing househusband who have been the poster couple for family values throughout modern history?

[@kellysmith3654]

I like how you explained this statistic. Thank you. For a long time, I also just assumed that the wage gap stat simply meant that there was an inequality. Thank you for breaking this stats down, to uncover the nuances with this statistic that many, including myself, have gotten wrong. Please keep up the great work.

[@pradeep2662]

dont be a goat in the future and believe everything you listen lol. Research about it.

[@ratio1037]

what this guy said. too many people are sheep in our society

[@lookforagoodname4274]

Don't be a snowflake please sheep's are quite amazing animals in my opinion

[@JuicyCharon]

1) The sad thing is prominent people like Warren Farrell have been saying it for a decade now and they all got trashed by the media. Warren Farrell wrote a book about it in 2005 but was destroyed by the feminists. He tried holding events and conferences to explain his views but he was constantly interrupted by people in the audience stopping him from speaking or pulling fire alarms. 2) Then people with an understanding of the gender pay gap myth decided to go online where they couldn't be censored. They firstly navigated around sites like Reddit and 4Chan to explain their views. They started to get traction because what they were saying was true if researched. Unfortunately the audience was not big enough to get the word out and the media consistently turned a blind eye to it because of feminism. 3) Then KZbinrs started picking up on feminism on a whole and they looked at the arguments against the pay gap on Reddit and found that they were right. They then told their audiences and since it still wasn't getting through to enough people, fans of KZbinrs started to become KZbinrs themselves. Now you started to find that the gender pay gap was all over KZbin around 2010 until Gamegate came around in 2012 or 2013. 4) After this, people started to attach themselves to an anti-feminism and anti-SJW narrative to the point where it was all over social media platforms. It was too hard to ignore anymore and finally we have a few journalists doing what they should have done 12 years ago. The mainstream media however are still not doing their jobs to the point where you had Obama look like an idiot when he mentioned the "77 cent to every mans dollar" quote. The more the media ignores to cover the stories objectively rather than turn a blind eye because of their own bias and agenda, the more people will distrust the media. It's why so many people can resonate with Trump when he says that the Media are Fake News.

[@Kekekepeeps]

L.M well yea I agree with u but trump talks about fake news but goes and promotes Fox News *facepalm* i just think news channels should become what they’ve been slowly turning into, gossip channels.

[@RedStefan]

So the wage gap is not a women issue really it's a working hours and flexibility of particular jobs issue.

[@ramdattaropemaker9009]

As well as an imbalance in who looks after kids :)

[@tuomashirvonen8473]

its not a issue at all. if you want to make more dont get kids. if you want to make more work more, negotiate more.... adding flexible hours in some works cant be done and would add extra cost so doesnt work

[@tuomashirvonen8473]

its not a issue at all. if you want to make more dont get kids. if you want to make more work more, negotiate more.... adding flexible hours in some works cant be done and would add extra cost so doesnt work

[@kyranekko]

Tuomas Hirvonen its an issue that women do more parenting than the men

[@tuomashirvonen8473]

This is Kai is it? women naturally are more towards parenting its in their genes. like i get that men who want parenting are allowed it that`s a problem but women who want more parenting and if you have a man who doesn`t want the parenting then its fine, isn`t it?

[@countryofaustin]

Imagine making a wage gap video in 2017/2018 with statistics from the 70’s 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@manghariz2211]

It worked in their favour Since if the wage gap aint that big and was caused of external factors (ex : children ) and not internal factors (ex : company policy) That means it must be better in the free-er 21st century america, since in the early 70s the culture is abit more sexist than today. But yeah i agree They should give some more newer stats so we can see how the "wage gap" evolved over years.

[@halfgoat9267]

Where did you see that the statistics were in the 70’s

[@lucashoffses9019]

They forgot about taking into account different job positions, as well as the fact that it's illegal to pay a woman less.

[@wumbology8421]

Yeah, because nobody would break the *law*!

[@exolucas1645]

they definitely take into account positions, each dot on that graph of jobs had to be to represent women and men of the same position or the wage gap wouldnt have lessened. Unless you mean the fact that women take different jobs than men but that shouldn't affect the point of this video. They also dont need to mention the illegality of paying women less because they show the pays getting closer so it's implied that steps are being taken to solve this issue, and that just happens to be one of them.

[@Kornknealious]

What is odd (and sad) is that the bimbo in this video stated that women do take lesser payi8ng jobs by choice. And still has the gaul to call it a wage gap

[@JJ-yn4cj]

@@wumbology8421 laws are typically enforced though...

[@peterparker9954]

It's illegal to hire undocumented immigrants, but here we are ! We have a lot of illegal immigrants working all around us ! Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it isn't practiced

[@acetrainerben]

This was *almost* a good video. Almost. The points were good, but you can't keep saying "wage gap" when you are so clearly explaining an earnings gap.

[@celinak5062]

Benjamin McEachrane and the first job had a wage gab from the vary beginning, plus apparently it's a problem in the business world. Or did we not see the same video.

[@A86]

Same thing. We're talking about salaries, not net worth.

[@SteveyP223]

+A86 It's not the same thing, they're clearly different terms.

[@mountainhamful]

What a ridiculous assertion you and others are making trying to distinguish between a 'wage gap' and an 'earnings gap'. The point made is that a woman earns x cents on the dollar for what a man earns. This is exactly the same as saying a woman's wage is x percent of a man's, for the same job. Put the semantics away and stop being so deliberately misleading.

[@SteveyP223]

MountainHam wrong, not only are people using that misleading phrase to trick people into thinking that women make less for the same work, they outright lie to you when you try to correct it. Like you're doing now. The language matters. We can't fix a problem that just isn't there.

[@skirtis1558]

Coolio. Now anyone coming across this doesn't know what it's abour

[@cosyg6761]

cool bud

[@leoq5654]

COSYG cool bud

[@honkingoutloud2619]

your is lying, her colleague simply works more hours or has harder more annoying schedul like night hours

[@skirtis1558]

@@honkingoutloud2619 well my mom is now a manager so yeah. see works harder hours now, but no, not a lie

[@BrockJamesStory]

Very small detail lol

[@jameschristensen1658]

there’s literally only one thing people miss. if women got paid less, consistently, nobody would hire men. ever

[@kehindehopkins6933]

A little known thing as subconscious discrimination and sexism

[@literallyvergil1686]

@@kehindehopkins6933 well that's not really viable since its literally illegal to pay women different than men just because they are woman

[@kehindehopkins6933]

@@CarTM it’s not a new concept buddy

[@adam00201]

There is no wage gap? SHOCKER

[@sotired7562]

@@MAW-20 not a wage gap. An earnings gap.

[@theespatier4456]

skumfuck Yes, there is. 20%.

[@catvapecult5876]

@@theespatier4456 woman does not work as much thats why

[@livinghooman8471]

@@theespatier4456 Nop, only 5.4% averaging all the jobs (phisical work jobs basically make it go down to 5.4)

[@Diamond-xl1vs]

Odd profile picture yes they do

[@S4M4R1T4N]

You forgot the part where women have their own volition. Women choose to work less hours, women choose to have children, women choose to work less dangerous jobs, women choose to work lower paying jobs.

[@csillakaszas7285]

in most cases, for a woman who chose to have children there is a man who chose to have children... but I guess he also chose not to parent them. hurray for unpaid and unappreciated housekeeping and childrearing - women are willing to do it after all, so what's the problem here?

[@S4M4R1T4N]

Kaszás Csilla 1. Men don't have milk producing organs with which to feed an infant. 2. Housework isn't something that can be monetized. 3. Who is unappreciative? 4. There is no problem as long as we don't try to pay women more if they are doing less work.

[@csillakaszas7285]

M3D13V4L 1. parenting takes way more than breastfeeding. the fact, that I have to point this out, is part of the problem. 2. housework can be monetized or else how cleaning ladies/cooks/event organizers/nurses/etc are paid? 3. who is appreciative and how do they show their appreciation? 4. see 1-3.

[@S4M4R1T4N]

Kaszás Csilla By monetized, I mean who is going to pay for it? The government? The fact that I have to point that out is part of the problem.

[@csillakaszas7285]

M3D13V4L 'monetize' means 'to express or render in terms of money'. If you don't know the meaning of a word, just don't use it. To answer your intended question: there is such a thing as maternity pay, even if it's not much. But generally, if someone does more housework, his/her contribution should be both acknowledged and compensated, primarily by other members of the family who might 'work more' at the workplace - and it should be reflected in the statistics. Society would not function as it is, without that invisible housekeeping work. and yes, it's work too. and it can be monetized.

[@JackHaarriiss]

This is literally what Milo Yiannopolous has been saying for sooooo long...

[@JackHaarriiss]

Yiannopoulos*

[@JasonJayMusic]

You didn't need to correct that. No one would've known anyways

[@TysonHanning]

so true

[@tangier6976]

+brad garza you just took his words out of context, why he was just completing milo and made it to be a full rant, damn your an idiot

[@Red-qg3ms]

+AKAMrWobbels Agreed. most people pride themselves on being right about at least something. Even hateful negative people can be right about a thing or two.

[@enigmence]

Illogical individuals are always leaning towards the idea that “Correlation is Causation”; that is not always true. I find it ironic how the only prominent causation they linked the pay-gap towards was discrimination rather than the fact they simply don’t work as much + additional factors 😂

[@Djnightmare14]

“The more people eat ice cream the more they drown”

[@danthaman03]

​@@Djnightmare14 what kind of ice cream?

[@Djnightmare14]

@@danthaman03 it is a study that shows that ice cream sales and drowning have a high correlation, does it mean that ice cream causes drowning?… no it means that in the summer time, both are more likely to happen. A good look at the idea of causation and correlation.

[@danthaman03]

@@Djnightmare14 ok thanks for clearing that up. I was actually wondering if there was a particular flavor of ice cream in question.

[@blackmesa232323]

Women work less, take lower paying occupations, choose lower paying specialties, and have to raise kids. It makes sense, and nothing to change.

[@josephpeeler5434]

Exactly. There is nothing to fix.

[@katty4682]

I thought this might add more credibility if typed by a woman: *There is no wage gap. There's an earnings gap, based on career choices women make *Paying two people different wages based on gender is illegal. If you've been compensated unfairly, don't take off an hour at work. Contact the labor board, because laws exist to protect you. *Among millennials, the highest paid demographic are single FEMALES, because millennial women are earning way more college degrees than men, and are thus getting better paying jobs, mostly because public school education favors females. *Speaking of STEM, half the medical students, and the vast majority of biology students are female. Last time I checked, medicine and biology are sciences. Don't believe the feminist propaganda perpetuated by women's studies courses. It's not based on reality. Ok, definitely my last post on here.

[@doc8782]

blasmo bapkins and that is?

[@james42304]

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[@Alias-et2ll]

For Blasmo Bapkins, because he's to lazy to look any of this up for himself, Wage Gap: Miller, Kevin. “The Simple Truth about the Gender Pay Gap.” AAUW: Empowering Women Since 1881, American Association for University Women, www.aauw.org/research/the-simple-truth-about-the-gender-pay-gap/. Sex-based wage discrimination is illegal: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Pay_Act_of_1963 More Females graduate more: Bailey, Martha. “The College Puzzle A College Success Blog by Dr. Michael W. Kirst.” The College Puzzle, Stanford University, 2013, collegepuzzle.stanford.edu/?tag. The National Center for Educational Statistics say so too: nces.ed.gov/das/epubs/2005169/

[@samrobinson8829]

Alias #475831 bet you Blasmo Bapkins doesn't reply to this, lol.

[@ryant3541]

Alias #475831 you are a legend

[@KETimiko]

Am I the only one who is rather confused why the fact that the U.S. is the only developed nation that doesn't mandate paid maternity leave, wasn't included in this video?

[@CurtisSmale]

Because pay gap myth and maternity leave are completely different things. If anything, paid maternity leave would raise a woman's earnings overall and close the earnings gap a little.

[@jacobstar2631]

But you did not address his comment that why should society be forced to pay for a woman's choice? I would like to read your opinion on that.

[@KETimiko]

Slippery Stairs A. Having a child is a choice. Being pregnant isn't. That's biology and until we can literally grow babies in beakers that's going to stay that way. This system penalizes women for their biology. Men don't absolutely have to take of time from work if they decide to procreate. Women do. It's a medical necessity. Not to mention how the babies food source is literally attached to a woman's body and that whole crazy scientific fact that bonding in infancy with your mother is tantamount to developing a healthy psyche as an adult. B. Again, literally all other developed nations have paid maternity leave. If you want me to accept the narrative that paid maternity leave hurts women, please link me some data. Even if that was the case, here's a solution; a policy many countries have already implemented: Mandated paid paternity leave. Doesn't matter who you hire, if they have a kid, they have the right to take those days. D. Society already de facto pays for women's choice not to reproduce. It's not a situation where have a kid or don't nothing changes, but now we want to subsidize one of the two choices. Women in the U.S., especially women who are poor or just middle class, are very clearly being penalized for having kids. And holy hell some of the stories floating around out there. Some women go back to work the day after delivering so they can spend time with their newborns after they get out of the ICU. That's insane. And btw, think about the long term ramifications of this: Poverty always leads to more kids. The only people you're discouraging from reproducing is well educated, successful women and those are the exact people you want reproducing.

[@KETimiko]

Jacob Star I just got around to it, enjoy the read.

[@CurtisSmale]

Jacob Star While women having children is a choice, if women don't do it then our society will literally fall apart. Consider federally paid maternity leave a form of investment. The investment is in a 'growing resource' that will one day become a valuable asset to whatever business you run or work for that would otherwise inevitable fail due to the lack of this resource.

[@davidsparling3952]

So because I work 40 hours and my sister works 32 hours I'm an evil person because I make more?

[@communityEsc]

Where in the video does it imply that...?

[@RelliousNeth]

@@communityEsc everywhere bruh just watch it

[@GrowMasterGeneral]

No, you're evil for entirely different reasons.

[@mishelshepelevsky4372]

@Syed Shah no its not you are so ignorant!!

[@davidkonevky7372]

@@mishelshepelevsky4372 Depends a lot, feminism as in the original movement was not like that. But the interpretation of many modern feminists would be exactly like that

[@alexelchango1]

There is a wage gap in between EVERYONE... the reason there is a gap is because everyone has different performances, different shifts and different attendances..... you can't be making the exact same amount of money as your coworker... if equal pay was actually a thing, people that have bad performances are going to be paid as much as a person that has good performance would get.... and I'm not necessarily saying that women have worse performance than men. One more thing.... I know a couple that worked in the same workplace, different shifts but were the same hours and in the same department, the lady makes about 200$ more than her spouse and I guess it's because he doesn't get things done sooooo.... yeah...

[@Unb3arablePain]

I would suggest staying out of the comment section, fellow video viewer. Lot's of fuckery going on down there.

[@diegoalbac]

I'd suggest that too, feminists everywhere with dumb conclusions...

[@Jex134]

Feminism 101: If someone says something you don't like, just complain about it until someone censors their freedom to say things you don't like.

[@Julesdoesstuff]

+

[@Aelfraed26]

You mean "down here". People can't read your comment if they aren't in the comment section.

[@xenoblad]

the wage gap is a myth because it's just the median wage of men and women. - every anti-fem in the comments.

[@yoadhordan2809]

guys you really didn't get the video it's mostly saying that the wage gap isn't real or at least something not to complain about (because it makes sense). how do you people get the idea that this is a feminist video?

[@marianushn]

"nebulous discrimination," are you that insecure about yourself? I'm a man and I did not feel offended or blamed for anything after watching this video. The "gap" is a real thing, but it's not a conspiracy by men to discriminate women, there are tons of factors playing in. Go and hide in a safe space if you're triggered by something as banal as this.

[@marianushn]

The Bandog it's amazing how stupid you are, and how you're trying to compensate for your "fragile and dainty ego" by typing a dissertation. No, men are not blamed, no I don't feel guilty, and no, it's not a conspiracy. there might be some lunatics here and there, like you and like some third wave feminists, who feel the need to scream or type nonsense all across the Internet. I base myself on facts and statistics, nothing more and nothing less. Like I said, if you feel "hurt" by this, go hide in a safe space.

[@_kimball___1826]

yoad hordan I know right? This video says wage gap but it's explaining it how it actually is - caused by motherhood mostly, and strict job hours, and not taking over time. All of this people trying to point these things out to Vox are self righteous bafoons that didn't bother watching the entire video they think they're smarter than. :/ idiots.

[@bibtebo]

+The Bandog its just not tho. At what point does she talk about discrimination against women

[@rainick]

+The Bandog Timestamp for proof of your first claim here?

[@picklejuice4638]

Doesn't anyone realise that the fact that more women would refuse to date a man who earns less than her, pushes him to earn more? Men tend to have different preferences towards women

[@pama3863]

Pickle juice They can get pregnant and be out of work, thats shy

[@unionkn7998]

I wonder what kind of woman you are dating, or have dated. 🤔

[@FIyingDumpling]

All women have dated a least one broke guy in her life, loved him unconditionally, and was left empty handed by him. Mistakes = Lesson learned.

[@peterparker9954]

If men weren't deadbeat about taking household and domestic duties, then women would not have divorced their husbands breaking families apart and putting more pressure on single moms

[@Vishnuk-fe9iv]

​@@FIyingDumplingMen love women unconditionally. Not women. Also women don't love Men with less money.

[@undyingsoul3949]

Women and men earn the same amount of money for the same job in the same amount of work time. Period.

[@jaravind5050]

Undying Soul not really. What happens in a lot of tech companies is that the salary hike is determined by the appraisal. And appraisal is given by the manager. The manager's sexism if it exist will manifest in the appraisal. It's not an absolute measure of the performance but a subjective one. So wage gap can and will exist.

[@jaravind5050]

Keylime Cakes when I say there is a wage gap between the genders I am referring to the cases where men get paid lesser for doing the same work as a fellow female colleague because the manager "likes" the woman more. Sexism exists towards both genders. All I'm saying is that deserving employees do not get the raise they deserve due to sexism. Both men and women.

[@timmygomez6007]

If I had one dollar for every gender. I would have $1.79

[@chocolaterollzz9368]

Actually you'd have $28,472,884.79.

[@theawecabinet]

Actually you'd have two dollars. 77 cents would come from the woman and 1.33 would come from the man. Apparently this is unfair to women according to feminists.

[@hashly8521]

ZOMBIEKILLER puffer fish Lol, XDXD, you're _so_ funny!

[@npies9334]

theawecabinet 1.33 + 0.77 = 2.10 lmao

[@big-boned477]

HAHAHAHA

[@bandit7459]

So...why didn't you include other factors such as: 1. Men on average work 5-6 hours more a week them women. 2. Men on average work more overtime or stay late. 3. Men take less time off. 4. Men are much more likely to ask for a promotion/raise. Also I like how you kinda glossed over the fact that women get pregnant...but ya thats a thing. A pretty major one at that.

[@AmaliaKZ]

"Also I like how you kinda glossed over the fact that women get pregnant...but ya thats a thing. A pretty major one at that." Right. That's why countries that provide paid parental leave have a smaller wage gap

[@adampetrowski]

@@AmaliaKZ the feminist is here

[@picklejuice4638]

@@AmaliaKZ I'm not sure if paid parental leave is within the definition of a "Wage"

[@markyankasky7106]

Flexible hours also help with mental health and stress! This is a great goal to work towards for everyone.

[@mikelisteral7863]

good lets use big government to force every company to give flexible hours. and when the company goes bankrupt lets all blame men

[@tootnoots]

*hits ‘muh wage gap’ button* The wage gap is simply the average earnings of men and women working full time. It does not account for different job positions, hours worked, or different jobs. It has nothing to do with the same job, it has nothing to do with discrimination.

[@user-mk4jq7uq9c]

Succ Lord yes Sh0eonhead

[@leonschweiger4676]

You did not watch the videi

[@issstari954]

What about experience if it doesn't happen because of any of those its discrimination still and illegal by US law

[@jivanjovan]

Yes exactly what the video said

[@lurker993]

The video said all that.

[@harshmnr]

Just out of curiosity I wonder what the wage gap is like for jobs involving a lot of physical labor. ~:~

[@schroederluck7984]

Natalie Harshman To expect anything other than a statistically significant gap favoring men would be foolish simply based on the biological differences between men and women.

[@harshmnr]

Well I understand what you're saying, but I also think that people immediately put a lot of limitations on women just because we're _typically_ shorter, don't have as much muscle mass, or whatever. However, there are a lot of women who do the same kind of physical things most men can do or even exceed them. I think a lot of people stereotype women as always being "dainty" and weaker than men; but really there are some men and women who are very strong, and there are some men and women who are not very strong. But anyway, I say if a woman does the same work as a man for the same amount of time, whether it's physical or not, she should get paid the same amount. ~:~

[@schroederluck7984]

I'm not arguing the fact that if a man and women are of equal capability, they should both be paid the same. To me, and hopefully everyone else, that's common sense. What I am saying is that, on average, men are more physically capable than women. That's not being sexist. It's simply a biological fact. Testosterone leads to more muscle mass and physical capability as a whole, so the average man and average woman when paired side by side are going to have noticeable differences in their physiques. If you look at the wage gap for physical labor jobs as a whole, there is so much data and so many individuals in the set of data that even women outliers will be overshadowed by the average man having a greater value than the average woman in labor jobs. Of course it's not fair to think that any female applicant is less capable automatically; those who genuinely can keep up with their sky high testosterone counterparts should be compensated the same as each other. However, if you randomly chose any man and any woman in the world, the probability that the man is stronger cannot be overlooked.

[@harshmnr]

Yeah I understand; I don't think you're being sexist. I understand that on average most men are stronger; I was just wondering (since I don't really know much about this topic) if there has been (or still is) a wage gap even between men and women who do the same amount of physical labor, since in the past there has been gaps in other fields of work where men and women do the same thing but women get paid less. (But I also understand that there are a lot of other factors that go into it, like this video said.) ~:~

[@schroederluck7984]

I'd also be interested in seeing data like that. It would be difficult to obtain, though, which is probably why it would be hard to find if it even exists in the first place. Everyone in labor jobs has his or her own rate of productivity so to speak, so finding numerous exact matches in terms of total work output in the same labor occupation might be tough.

[@ruste9223]

I like how this video doesn’t just blame the gap on “oppression” or the “patriarchy.” Rather, it gives a few examples of the natural circumstances that lead to the gap. By identifying the real, practical reasons for the gap we can fix it better, instead of getting into a heated political debate.

[@homer5263]

Yes beside from the simple fact that the very phrase "wage gap" itself is a blatant lie. By the admission of this video itself it is an earnings gap. The very idea that it somehow needs fixing is also rooted in an egalitarian ideological framework.

[@N.I.A23]

Women getting payed less shouldn't be questioned anyways tho. They live in our world they go with our rules.

[@USA_UNITED1776]

@@N.I.A23 no they don't.

[@peterparker9954]

Patriarchy is real though....it was only in 1974 in the US that a woman was able to have a bank account of her own ! 1974 !

[@USA_UNITED1776]

@@peterparker9954 yes and we don't live in 1974. You mean it WAS real

[@CS-rk9bf]

*Does the NBA pay black players more than white players? If Yes, is the NBA racist, or are the black players doing a much better job? It is really not that complicated.*

[@KenerBonifac1]

facts

[@samuel_eee4744]

What

[@AverageLaur]

wait that graph shows that one job in science earns more money when you are a female

[@thiccbicc]

Laur Oras I think it's pretty obvious which subject it is ;)

[@AverageLaur]

How you guys don't notice the grammar

[@Karlito4261]

I dont get it ;( what subject

[@Seawiiplay]

Laur Oras Calm down, it was %0.3 that's more equal then anyone can hope

[@boyghost47]

Gender studies. Because woman think its science.

[@TurdFurgeson275]

Not taking sides here or anything, but if I'm an employer, and I see that I can get away with paying women less, why wouldn't I just hire women? Like I'd be saving massive amounts of money, and getting away with it.

[@yadiracanocamacho6979]

Brendan Stanford I'm not convinced the wage gap is intentional at all. I think it's one of those weird things that happen because of preconceived notions and ideas we all carry with us to some extent. I'd like to believe this was an accident -that no is setting off every day to hire women and purposefully pay them less than their male counterparts. I think learning about where it stems from and being aware of it is a good first step so we can rectify this because regardless of whether or not people believe the wage gap exists - it does affect half the country and we can't take that lightly.

[@isaacevilman7586]

Yadira Cano It's an earnings gap. Women tend to work fewer, more flexible hours and work safer (In the literal sense), more comfortable jobs. Also, literally everyone has a different wage depending on how well they negotiated, how reliable they are, how willing they are to be on call at all times, how efficiently they work, how proficiently they work, etc. Men and women tend to go into different fields. Men tend to go into the higher paid STEM fields while women don't. It isn't because women are discouraged from joining STEM, there's actually a 2:1 hiring bias in favor of women and women get promoted much faster.

[@nopo8011]

Brendan Stanford because people usually aren't conscious of their discrimination

[@ringodooby]

Thats a ridiculous catch all quote to avoid agreeing with a logical point and you know it. Its the adult equivalent of a childish comeback and its motives are as transparent as glass. It shows you have no sensible response and refuse to concede the point or work with the person to amend your opinions on the topic. Please stop, its embarrassing and we all know what you're trying to do.

[@ananyapalyekar8664]

Brendan Stanford For the same reason you won't pay women the same as men for equal work.

[@frostleafsilver1051]

Wait women give birth?! And here I thought we were all the same.

[@janosmarothy5409]

if this is supposed to some anti-feminist dig, what's your actual point? you know, in case you forgot that, whether you agree or disagree with whatever else they say, no feminist has ever argued about something absurd like saying that men and women are biologically identical.

[@hadenzaide3047]

Actually, Buzzfeed and Lacy Green did it regularly.

[@janosmarothy5409]

Actually no they haven't. I think you may be hearing what you want to here in order to set up a strawman.

[@transformersloverjon]

More specifically, women take more responsibility for children than men do.

[@ParisWantsToHaveFun]

HadenZaide even if they did, laci green and those people u see on buzzfeed, aren't feminists, they're sexist people

[@alrightchris3030]

From most studies I’ve read through, the data seems to always point towards childbirth. Most women have to take quite a few weeks off because of this phenomena, so when they return, their income tends to lessen compared to if they didn’t. Therefore, one of the easier ways to end the wage gap, is to give paid family leave to the mothers and fathers, so the wages don’t decrease upon the parents return to work. This will also add a much healthier relationship between fathers and their children, and take the edge off of the average working class wife, who has to return to their job after giving birth, to realize her salary has just dropped compared to their coworkers.

[@2006_HondaCivic]

While that is true, it isn't fair to pay someone to have a child and not work, and not only that, pay them just as much as someone who IS working. At some point, I think people need to understand that the wage gap isn't going to change, an that it doesn't even need to change as there is no gap between a man and a women in the EXACT SAME circumstance. The true wage gap doesn't exist, and the one where it takes the median incomes of men and women is simply not an issue.

[@Moved506]

@@2006_HondaCivic well it's that or giving out mother bonuses to everyone. Either way the only way you lose is if you dont

[@ifinallyfoundoutaname6656]

@@2006_HondaCivic wow this makes so much sense

[@el972]

@@2006_HondaCivic well than people will stop to have children that’s exactly what’s happening to youth of today in Europe for example, if people can’t provide for their kids and if having kids will make them earn less or not earn at all society will crumble after all elderlies will be the majority

[@loturzelrestaurant]

@@ifinallyfoundoutaname6656 Worker-Class-Struggles were amazingly covered by Second Thought and Some More News. I will spam-this-comment-here in the hope to reach more people; hope im understood and not ignored for this practice.

[@Rennat456]

When I was young my mom worked and my dad stayed home with me and my sisters. There was quite a wage gap between them lemme tell ya haha, but it worked for them. My mom loved her career and my dad loved being a stay-at-home dad. I think it all just comes down to what makes you happy and able to live comfortably.

[@Moved506]

This is a good philosophy

[@lolz6337]

Tell that to feminist and Vox lol making stay at home moms feel less and responsible for not living up to their feminist agenda

[@loturzelrestaurant]

@@Moved506 Worker-Class-Struggles were amazingly covered by Second Thought and Some More News. I will spam-this-comment-here in the hope to reach more people; hope im understood and not ignored for this practice.

[@CatPerson136]

Exactly!!!

[@joshjuar]

These videos are honestly like the best

[@joshjuar]

And super interesting

[@eightfeetabove]

ikr

[@50StichesSteel]

and like super biased

[@OBJECTofGAMING]

And like super unfactual.

[@Markgangzta]

Facts are only facts if I agree with them! - Everyone

[@kiuthrunlims1344]

The company doesn't care what extra efforts you do at home they pay you for what you can get for them

[@somerando5814]

Equal pay act of 1963 has entered the chat