The Mythology Behind Hades

[@Ludiscere]

hey everyone! i've been getting a lot of comments recently about if i plan on doing a video like this for Hades II, and the answer is eventually, yes :) it won't be until the game is fully out of early access, and even then, it will take a long time to make, so i appreciate your patience. just wanted to say here that it should be happening at some point in the future in case anyone wanted to know. thanks so much everyone for watching the video and wanting a part 2! i really appreciate it.

[@VVlfgng]

Can't wait! I've watched this one so many times!

[@througtonsheirs_doctorwhol5914]

@24:13 - "No source for Zagreus burning the ground with his footsteps in mythology" Bet they sourced it from an old saying : "Where he walks the grass does not grow back"

[@bluexco]

Hell yeah! I was just going to leave a comment when I saw this!

[@BugManiacRoy]

Thanks for making such an amazingly deep and enlightening video. Can't wait for part 2! Maybe do a bitsize one only on Melinoë? Can hold us for a while 😅

[@voxz360]

sounds good

[@uhhok8296]

I always saw the relationship between Artemis and Selene and Apollo and Helios as something more akin to Hades and Thanatos. Hades is not the god of death but he is the god of the dead, he has a sort of bureaucratic control over hades the same way the twins drive their respective chariots but are not the sun or moon themselves.

[@CrownofMischief]

There's a lot more examples, like Ouranos being the sky but Zeus being the king of the heavens. However I feel like it's also a bit of a succession story, with Apollo and Artemis inheriting the duties, much like how Poseidon took over the domain of the titan Oceanus while Pontus is the personification of the sea

[@3ll3llyyy]

this is a year old but I've always loved this. Helios and Selene to me are personifications of the sun and moon. obviously when they're personified the sun and moon are still up (like how earth is still there even if Gea is personified) where Apollo and Artemis pull the chariots that move them

[@xRosiesandPosiesx]

Same here

[@sonofcronos7831]

Is not the same trough. All gods have their own chariots (Zeus pulled by winged horses, Poseidon by the hipocampi, Dionisius by panters, etc), the chariot of Artemis is pulled by deers, while Apollo is probably winged horses. But the idea that they pull the sun and moon dont make sense. The Sun temperature comes from the chariot itself, while his light comes from the crown that Helios is using (i am taking this from Metamorphoses). So Helios is the sun god because of his crown and chariot. This mean that the sun is inseparable from Helios, and he itself cross the skies, and this same applies to Selene, her chariot is the moon, and her horns and crown is the phrases of the moon. However, Helios and Selene were not that well know, so the most important Apollo and Artemis normally were the ones pulling the chariot instead. But we have to remember that the greeks and romans did not believe the sun and moon to be two "balls" outside earth in space. The sun and the moon were just a lith high in the sky, but not thousands of kilometers away. So Apollo and Artemis is the sun and moon, or is Helios and Selene, but it cannot be both, is not how that works.

[@sonofcronos7831]

​​@@CrownofMischief is all different. Ouranos was the sky yes, but he was defeated and Cronus literaly rule his own father body if you think about, Zeus then took the sky. Zeus was not the sky, but he ruled it because the sky was literaly incapable of doing anything else. Poseidon never took the role of Oceanus, a lot of people mistake it because they believe Oceanus to be the salty Ocean, but Oceanus was a fresh water river that encircled the world, and was the source of all rivers. So Poseidon and Oceanos have different domains, and in the Iliad is stated that Oceanus only obeys Zeus, so Poseidon has funny enough, no relation to the Ocean (only later the word Ocean was applied to the open seas when the greeks discovered there was no such things as a ocean river). And Apollo and Artemis never took the offices of Helios and Selene, this is made up by Percy Jackson. Helios and Selene were the sun and moon, or it is Apollo and Artemis, but not both in the same "universe". Actually, Apollo was already a god of ton of sh1t (music, medicine, arts, reason, archery, plagues, prophecy), so why he would took the office of Helios? Would just be more work from him. His relation to the sun is because he is the god of day, not because he is day itself, but because he presided over the prophecies delivered during the day, thus the association with the sun. But in both greek and roman mythology, Helios the son of Hyperion was definitily seen as the guy thst pulled the sun chariot.

[@akittylover2784]

I think I know why Demeter appears as old in the games, and it's related to the myth about Persephone being taken away by Hades. In the story, before Demeter learns where her daughter had gone (usually from Helios, which is why I find it interesting that the dialogue in game has her deny what he saw), she goes on a journey while disguised as an old woman at the same time as she made the seasons stop at winter. This myth has Demeter become a nanny for a baby, partly because she was missing her daughter. She then attempts to make this child immortal/stronger than normal by holding him over a magical fire, which she did for months on end, but before she could finish the process, the baby's mother walks in and freaks out, angering Demeter, who reveals herself. She then tells the mother that she had been making her child powerful, and although the process wasn't finished, he would be strong enough to be a great hero. She then stops what she was doing, usually because someone cues her in (usually a young farmhand boy or cattle herder, who because of their help, Demeter makes them a minor deity), that she should ask Helios what happened because they thought they saw something strange.

[@mindmaster323]

Something that's pretty well hidden, so I'm not surprised wasn't mentioned in the Dusa section, is that if you summon Dusa while you have Athena's Greater Call active Dusa freaks out because Athena was the one who made her into a Gorgon in a lot of the myths.

[@Ludiscere]

holy shit what a cool detail! you're right, i didn't know about that, thank you for lettting me know

[@chronicleninja7]

yeah poesidon raped her in athenas temple medusa prayed to athena for help athena then came and turned her into a gorgon to match her sisters

[@ulizez89]

It could also be because the Aegis (Athena's shield) is literally medusa's face and hair in a golden shield! I would be scared too if I knew someone wants to put my head on a shield.

[@eli7980]

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[@firelordeliteast6750]

For the most fucked up reason possible

[@qq4094]

Ok I really gotta say your explaination of the poetry surrounding Cerberus' swallowing the bait was so clear and digestable that I, outloud, exclaimed 'Thats so cool!' seconds before you started gushing and sheepishly apologizing that you thought it was cool it is cool and I appreciate it, as a former latin student of several years.

[@mariaebbitt441]

I came to the comments in hopes someone else pointed out how incredibly cool this part was! I have no knowledge of Latin or Poetry, but with the explanation of this I also said out loud 'oh my god! That's so cool!'

[@vexations_on_discount]

I burst into a fit of laughter at that part, so I can definitely say that I enjoyed it

[@KaibaKid_]

Digestible, eh? Heheh

[@JulesJYT]

A year later but I absolutely agree, this was such a fun thing to expand on and I'm glad he did

[@turv3436]

I had a school assignment on the reliability of the mythology used in hades and this video helped out a ton, thank you.

[@Hugop_arts]

What school level are you in? Both so cool and so specific that they picked Hades to investigate the authenticity of

[@turv3436]

This was in year twelve for an ancient studies assignment where we got to choose a topic of interest and write a 2000 word essay on it. I somehow managed to convince my teacher to let me write about the authenticity of the game and she really enjoyed reading it.@@Hugop_arts

[@KanamoAndDuskVOD]

@@Hugop_arts I'd give a wild guess and probably say post-college study, maybe either history or game design

[@Upholstered_]

W school

[@navyhusky2020]

​@@Hugop_arts Best history teacher ever

[@fatwe1992]

I love how even Hades, probably the one who dislikes Zeus the most, has to admit that Zeus has a truely "luxurious" beard

[@baseballjustin5]

Hey, no matter how much you dislike someone. You can always appreciate a luxurious beard

[@corrinflakes9659]

I can’t blame Hades for hating Zeus, but I can’t blame him for appreciating his beard either.

[@PaintSplashProductions]

I mean it's literally clouds! I hate the guy but he looks so cool

[@Travis_Phillips]

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[@fandomonium3789]

Achilles points out that Aphrodite is a terrifyingly competent warrior, with the ability to fell nations and stir armies to action by playing on their emotions to manipulate them, to the point that Achilles is both afraid of, and admires how truly dangerous Aphrodite is, which is a side of her that's often ignored that I was super stoked to see referenced in the game.

[@GuiSmith]

It’s so apt considering her mythological origins. She comes from Ishtar, was a full-on war god when Sparta got their hands on her, and couldn’t be pulled out of Trojan War and the Iliad.

[@NewCoke7]

@@GuiSmith she also comes from Astarte, which I’m pretty sure is also a war goddess but I’d have to research

[@matthewanderson5198]

@@GuiSmith she didn't merely come FROM a war goddess, she also was (controversially) a war goddess, worshipped as such under the epitaph Areia. Something which the Romans reemphasized in Venus.

[@matthewanderson5198]

I think it's a clever reference to that she was controversially a war deity as well. Controversial to the point that the Iliad includes the author using a character as a mouthpiece for their views on the subject.

[@imthepeepooman]

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[@anajaimes4420]

I quite love the theory that Skelly is Odysseus, i would hazard to add that his cunning turned to pranks after he died

[@boris3866]

dude dont just throw spoilers like that in the commente

[@LadyAhro]

@@boris3866 it’s only a spoiler for the video. We have no idea if that theory is true or not.

[@mattimeikalainen6963]

@@boris3866 even if this was true. Why come to a video going through ALL of hades lore and story and be angry at spoilers for the game.

[@wajmgirl]

@@boris3866 the game came out in 2018

[@shroomiess]

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[@thehatman7051]

so, there is actually a second bit of dialogue in the game that references Artemis' status as a virgin goddess other than Poseidon's dialogue (which I don't blame you for missing, there are hundreds of hours of dialogue in this game), if you get a dual boon with Zeus and Artemis, Zeus may bring up that she has yet to take a lover (while discussing the idea of finding Zagreus one), to which Artemis will reply that she has no interest in the idea, and prefers to spend her time either alone, or with the nymphs in the woods

[@spacehootle309]

Yep. What do you need a mate for if you have a bunch of nymphs to lighten your solitude! ...and then there was that one time with Orion, but that obv. doesn't count. Lmao Sorry Zeus, she's not a virgin she's just not into you.

[@MrVictor1227]

​@@spacehootle309That is his daughter💀

[@stufffstufffington]

as if that would matter to Zeus @@MrVictor1227

[@HoHhoch]

@@MrVictor1227 You think that detail would stop Zues?

[@donovanarredondo2293]

​@@spacehootle309she's a virgin my man. That's, her entire lore.

[@afilthycasualplays4007]

I like that when Persephone returns to the underworld, she dresses more in accordance with her home. The cloth is dark, skulls are present, and she is adorned with gemstones like Hades himself. But they still allude to her origin as a spring goddess by styling her hair as a cornucopia. It's a nice touch. Great video by the way! I'm only sorry it took me 2 years to find it!

[@aiaioioi]

i always thought she looked really unnatural in the underworld clothing, she just felt so "soft" and "lively", especially in the overworld garden

[@michelvanderlinden8363]

I hated Theseus for a long time, until someone mentioned "If you treat him like one of those pro wrestling types, he becomes hilarious". Thats what I did and suddenly all his bravado and big talk started making sense. Asterius meanwhile, is just playing along with it.

[@Zekromaster]

Zagreus is just a heel to him, basically.

[@SmokeyBearss]

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[@Deadly_Laser]

Actually, it's not just the Galilean moons, pretty much all moons of Jupiter are named for those he had sex with. Which makes the name of the most recent mission to Jupiter, JUNO, quite hilarious. We literally sent Hera to check up on Zeus and his love life.

[@wangwang2211]

And send photographs back to us. Yup, nothing creepy about that at all.

[@mudpie6927]

We're just helping her to scout out her murder list

[@shirou9069]

I tell you man scientists are memelords

[@Deadly_Laser]

@@shirou9069 it is blatantly obvious, all you have to do is look at the acronyms we use. I study cosmology and therefore have to deal with names like H0LiCOW, SH0ES and LITTLE THINGS (yes, that really is an acromym, stands for Local Irregulars That Trace Luminosity Extremes, The HI Nearby Galaxy Survey)

[@Gloomdrake]

@@Deadly_Laser they REALLY had to force some of those, but it's pretty fun

[@ryanager8029]

There is one bit of mythology that I noticed constantly get missed. Ares’ Doom effect is actually the Sword of Damocles.

[@Ludiscere]

yeah, this is true! i knew this, and had it in my notes, but i couldn't find a way to fit it into his section and make it gel with everything else, so i ended up leaving it out. but yeah, it's a great wee detail!

[@skylerhughes3854]

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[@TornaitSuperBird]

I guess you could say it also references his charioteers, Phobos and Deimos (Fear and Dread, respectively.) What do you get when you mix fear and dread? Doom.

[@DavidBeaumont]

I always assumed that Cerberus's left head is only amenable to pets because animating a petting animation for all heads would be a lot more work, so they jokingly reference his temperament as an excuse. Same for all the jokes about Zagreus not being able to sit or sleep or use the weights/game table in his room.

[@lauriepenner350]

Same with how Demeter lifts the eternal winter everywhere except the small portion of the surface you actually see in the game.

[@CountCoxy101]

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[@CountCoxy101]

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[@CountCoxy101]

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[@TheNat20Walrus]

Hades, zag, and persephone each get a different head of cerberus they can pet

[@violets_in_bloom]

That transition at 1:44:00 from Hermes giving the player the start of a recipe to "the goddess of seasons" is very nicely done.

[@dariussonofjazzlin7433]

What I appreciate about the game's portrayal of Poseidon is that out of all gods he appears to be most offended and genuinely angry when he is not picked in a trial. The Odyssey gives a good example of what kind of reaction you can expect when Poseidon feels slighted. Zeus is the arrogant, selfish one, whereas Poseidon seems to have less of that, but has some anger issues mixed in.

[@kinagrill]

Dyonysies' not-picked responses are funny tho. He sounds like some offended half-drunk Jock at a party wanting to get you a got smacking before going back to 'oh well we are friends again!' afterwards. XD

[@leonardo9259]

@@kinagrill "man I thought we were mates" "nah it's fine, you did good, have some wine"

[@ashofcrete5716]

Yeah

[@ashofcrete5716]

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[@goofyahh8759]

Artemis sounds way more angry and offended than Poseidon imo.

[@kappaross6124]

It's also worth mentioning about Orpheus and Eurydice that Supergiant may actually have addressed the fact that their Orpheus performed with Eurydice while the mythological Orpheus did not. There is a line of dialogue where Eurydice complains about how all the credit has been given to Orpheus to music they produced as a team. Orpheus responds in turn that he has tried to correct people on this point but that the narrative of Orpheus as a singular performer has gotten out of his hands. Not only does this address the original myth, but it's some neat commentary on the way some things get revised away out of myth by the people retelling it, especially the role of women.

[@Ludiscere]

yeah, this is a great point! it probably would have helped my argument to use the dialogue there as evidence, but everything is simpler in hindsight.

[@NoHandle44]

I had a similar idea like that to justify how gods and mythical creatures don't act exactly the same in media as they do in their respective cultures.

[@pinkajou656]

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[@MoAmrr]

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[@Lhime17]

This video is splendid and I definitely learned a thing or two. I think my favorite design element, that I believe is intentional is that contrary to the olympian gods, the chthonic gods wear pants, which in ancient greece, and later rome signified barbarians, aka "not greek" ("not roman") in art. Whenever you'd see someone wearing pants, they were a barbarian. It kinda creates another barrier between the olympians and the chthonic gods, that goes almost entirely unnoticed, unless you're looking for it.

[@Ludiscere]

that's such a cool detail! i honestly never noticed, but now you've mentioned it, i wonder how i never saw it before. it probably takes an artist's eye to notice that kind of stuff, haha :)

[@Lhime17]

@@Ludiscere That, and I learned about barbarians in art and theater during a really cool history seminar! Ancient history and mythology are incredibly fascinating, once you get into it, you can never escape.

[@Looneyboy]

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[@adrianr.8819]

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[@adrianr.8819]

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[@Lu11abi]

I think the distinction of Ares & Athena is that Ares "aggresses" and Athena "protects". Ares rules the part of war that marches to reach a fight, goes lookin for trouble. Athena is the part of war that DEFENDS. That Protects a people from an aggressive force. It is the Fortification of a city, the Unity of it's population, and the Skill of it's military Athena is the power of Human Cooperation, best symbolized by the Polis, the City. The City is Her essence, so She encourages all things that make cities/communities Stronger (tech, skill, education, etc.) She doesn't care about Conquest, only Defending her Polis.

[@Oznerock]

Not really - Ares is the god of straightfoward and honorable yet bloody combat - not mindless, far from it, full of strategy, but straightfoward. Athena is goddess of military strategem. To deceive your enemy, to befuddle and to win with clever trick - not cowardly or devoid or strenght - but still clever and tricky.

[@Omega31716]

@@Oznerockexactly I don’t believe Ares to be stupid or not strategic but instead that it is Athena’s specialty.

[@Theturtleowl]

I love how they wrote Ares. He is well spoken and instead of him being a sadistic brute, he almost talks about war as his art.

[@Emily12471]

In a way war is his art

[@supergarren1]

Oo

[@EPE444]

About Ares: There is a poem (modern, not greek) that discribes Ares inventing chess to impress a Nymph named Caissa (considered the Goddess of chess).

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[@drewalexander6024]

Fun fact: In cultures that weren't influenced by Athens, Ares was very different. He was a general, very smart, and considered to be so powerful that Zues was afraid of him. He even made the Rules of War which protected prisoners of War and kept soldiers from becoming brutishcowardly. He is also know to bring his daughter, Nike the Goddess of victory, with him into war. However, most of our myths about Ares come from Athenian sources which depict him as week an cowerdly.

[@psychopomp4135]

I’m pretty sure that the bird skull on Ares’ chest is supposed to be a crow skull, as they’re commonly associated with death and decay.

[@Ludiscere]

hmm, that's a good shout. definitely could be!

[@occasionalart]

Also giving Ares some bird iconography that contrasts Athena is a neat idea, showing that they're simultaneously similar, yet different in their approaches.

[@CrownofMischief]

@@occasionalart meanwhile Zagreus still has no idea what birds are

[@jh-who]

@@occasionalart I was about to point this out haha. Aries’ crow/vulture as opposed to Athena’s owl feel very much like two different sides of the same coin and I love it, especially if it was intentional.

[@viniciusayres7769]

@@occasionalart the opposition between Athena and Ares, with Athena having owls for a symbol and Ares having crows, makes even more sense when known that owls and crows absolutely HATE each other, so I think it reinforces that they are opposites within the same niche

[@eduardodiaz9942]

I love how Theseus gets quite pissed if you bring the Yarn of Ariadne to his boss fight. Feeling guilty for something, eh mate?

[@someoneawesome8717]

Lmao Ariadne sends her regards to both her husband and her brother

[@psyche_1297]

I got that reaction and it made me laugh out loud.

[@voidify3]

I heard about this dialogue last week and went to try it out, and managed to get a well with the yarn after the last unavoidable boon room of elysium! But unfortunately, much like when I had an absurdly good build on my 10th escape, the run I did this on happened to be the first run after the epilogue cutscene, so the dialogue about how I just did the epilogue cutscene took precedence

[@herbertkraft7379]

Lol, I have never done that. I need to try that out :)

[@marions.3657]

HOLD ON HE WILL BE PISSED ABOUT IT!?! I have to try it

[@dwell7315]

Regarding the Furies being called the "Kindly Ones," Sisyphus does call Meg the "kindlier/kindly one" at least once, so there was a subtle nod to that in the game

[@Mr_Reaps25]

Something along those lines, zag tells Sisyphus that he could try and have Meg not bother him, and Sisyphus says he would rather it be her than the others. I may be misremembering

[@solidskullz5736]

I’m such a high mythology nerd so love Hades, and having someone spend 3 hours explaining the lore even when I already know it just makes me all giddy

[@lilchromie]

Supergiant: so your telling me that Zagreus has almost no mythological or historical information to go off of? Historian: yes Supergiant: so no one can prove me wrong if I say he was in a bisexual, polyamourous relationship with megaera and Thanatos where he was the double bottom? Historian: ...I guess?

[@Darkneonflame13]

That’s essentially his brother you weirdo

[@Megafreakx3]

technically in some myths, Thanatos' partner is Makaria - daughter of Hades in some myths, representing a blessed death.

[@l.salazar5788]

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[@johnygoboom2]

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[@Fattybobatty1224]

I would actually theorize that Orpheus’ hair is actually referencing Neil Gaiman’s Sandman. Orpheus is Dream’s son, and the hair he has in Hades is dead-on like Dream’s.

[@ToxicQueen2787]

I didn't notice that now I can't unsee that his hair is spot on to Morpheus

[@angelicaziffer9106]

I thought so too

[@Dracosfire14]

Glad someone else thought that. Before I saw the lyre, I thought it was Morpheus.

[@TWreckthaMonster]

Now that you mention it, the resemblance is pretty uncanny. I’d be surprised if Supergiant DIDN’T know about Dream. Good call fam.

[@Jessie_Helms]

As someone who already loved Greek mythology I see Hades as a love letter to the mythology. It’s beautiful.

[@lochlannach7]

I love Greek mythology too, but i feel like they butchered it in Hades by using the characters from this mythology to make something that they liked and that fitted their personal views of how Greek mythology really was or how they wish it was, so i personally don't treat it as Greek mythology, to me it's just a game that happens to use the names of mythological figures, because otherwise i wouldn't be able to enjoy some of the things the game presents as "Greek mythology", lol.

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

@@lochlannach7 I think judging stuff like this with myth accuracy as a standard is always gonna be kinda iffy. I'd prefer to just see what people do with it

[@commentlurker3874]

@@bipstymcbipste5641 smart move

[@MissMiseri]

But they also butchered it and there's so many wrong things and misinterpretation. I'm sure it's because they took creative liberty, it's obvious. But seriously, why???

[@MissMiseri]

​@@bipstymcbipste5641Maybe you're right, I don't like how they potray Odysseus in this, and Achilles and Patroclus is good but that idea probably came from the song of Achilles, and the fact that Brieseis and Deidamia aren't here and the Amazonian that Achilles fell in love at first sight not being there is just iffy aswell. I know they're side characters but so was Patroclus and the fact that they were set aside and sidelined to fit their romantic narrative of Patroclus and Achilles and ignore the fact that Achilles is definitely and poly is downright dishonest. Greek mythology is confusing and creative liberties are allowed but the way they did it what I don't like. Cool game tho and they did put obscure facts about Greek mythology that I really like. And Circe STAY AWAY FROM ODYSSEUS! (also I want Penelope and Odysseus back, I just hate that they did Ody dirty after the things he been through to go back to his family)

[@xcelentei]

I like the theory that Skelly is odysseus, but consider The Sneak: -has no name (goes by nobody) -only two attacks are a backstab and a ranged shot

[@Theturtleowl]

The idea that Artemis helps with childbirth might have something to do with the birth of her and Apollo. When their mother Leto finally could give birth, Artemis was born first. She immediately started to help her mother with the birth of her twin brother.

[@GuiSmith]

The fun ridiculous origin of that is probably because these two weren’t always twins. It’s very possible Artemis was originally meant to serve as how Hera discovered Zeus’s affair with Leto, and when round two happened and Leto fled, _that’s_ when the dangerous birth on Delos would’ve happened. Or, you know, logic doesn’t always apply to mythology. Artemis and Apollo still weren’t originally twins as far as we know, though.

[@nm9688]

Damn...a true eldest daughter

[@tomfarbmann662]

Did anyone else wake up to this

[@butswiththefur]

lmao me

[@nellovesyou8575]

Yep

[@FourLokoMan]

me

[@ZDENl-g2u]

Bro

[@ZDENl-g2u]

Wtf is this

[@KyleRavenborn]

1:34:37 my favorite part of the whole "Zeus carrying Dionysus in his leg" thing is that it was common to name a "leg injury" when referring to damage to male genitals. So it is very likely that Dionysus was in fact sewn into his ballsack.

[@evan_sunprince]

I was gonna ask what was with Greek myth Andale genitalia. But uh. Misogyny huh? Just God's being born from genitalia alone

[@francescomena8181]

@@evan_sunprince Zeus would rather sew another god to his balls than go to therapy smh

[@johnynoway9127]

yep Zagreus and Dionysus werw together sewn by a ball sack

[@Cs-cp6vo]

I did not need that image in my head

[@danielribeiro1433]

given that it is greek myth, that is very likely

[@MrFr2eman]

About the Aegis and Athena, if you look at the waist engravings on her armour, she has a Gorgon head and scale patterns there.

[@RAZZLEMedia]

Criminally underrated. Keep up the good work.

[@Joe_Payne]

So is hades tbf

[@blungalblorg]

What up dudes

[@pikaboom6539]

@@Joe_Payne what. Hades literally got nominated game of the year

[@Joe_Payne]

@@pikaboom6539 I mean by the community no one I know plays it

[@bleddynwolf8463]

yo, you should do a video on mr beans holiday

[@jay_pine]

I always pictured Thanatos with a scythe. In one of my german childhood books from Dimiter Inkiow about Greek mythology there also is a chapter about Sisyphus. As for his look, there is also a description given. ,,A black skeleton with red flaming eyes who has a silver scythe and a black bag that he caches souls with” And what is hilarious is the way Thanatos is captured by Sisyphus (especially if you read the scene while picturing Than the way he is in Hades game). As it is a story written by children it goes along these lines: ,,Death, also known as Thanatos appeared before Sisyphus and expected, that he would faint and his soul would be secured in his bag. But the king laughed and asked him if he had tasted ouzo, a alcoholic beverage, during his lifetime. Thanatos denied and three servants there told to bring it to them. They promptly fainted at the sight of Death, but the bottles were secured by the thick carpet. Sisyphus and Death drank a lot, then the latter curled up and fell asleep. Sisyphus tied him up and stuffed a cotton ball inside his mouth, lastly having him pushed under his bed.”

[@mostlyimpulsive3462]

Yooooo he swept Than under the bed like a ball of lint 💀

[@rhblue7204]

im so glad the "retelling" of sisyphus punishment is getting mentioned truly one of the best lines ive ever read

[@Hnke90]

The Nemesis aspect of Stygius is a tipless blade. Historically those types of blades were used by executioners. And since she is a goddess of vengeance and retribution I guess it kind of makes sense that her aspect resembles an executioners sword.

[@gomezpovina]

I always thought there was a sort of tongue-in-cheek connection between Asterius and Theseus and the Borges story "The house of Asterion". The reverence with which the bull treats the Greek hero reminded me of the way it reacts to him at the end of the story, where he sees him as his redemption.

[@Ludiscere]

honestly, i didn't know about this story until your comment - and wow, you're totally right! i'd be surprised if there wasn't some influence taken from it, it fits really well.

[@gomezpovina]

@@Ludiscere Yay! Glad you liked it! Jorge Luis Borges is really good and it is one my favorite short stories. Especially in its native Spanish.

[@zaphodglodart783]

yo the House of Asterion blew my fucking mind reading it for the first time.

[@closetmonstar]

You are a huge nerd about ancient poetic meter, and I love it. Your enthusiasm explaining the swallowing sound made by Cerberus as the poem would be read is infectious. Thank you for taking the time to explain, and expressing your joy. Fantastic 👍

[@Ludiscere]

i'm so happy to hear you enjoyed that part! it is my absolute favourite bit of the video :)

[@Incothe]

@@Ludiscere I reminded me of when people nerd out over a rapper's rhymes. You were effectively screaming BARS! Loved it!

[@dr4kun]

KZbin needs more content like this. I appreciate how you both analyzed the sources, and shared your own interpretations and thoughts - without mixing the two. Thank you, Alastair.

[@jaydenroberts2615]

One detail I really hope they incorporate in Hades 2 is that when Melinoe defeats Chronos for the first few times is Chronos setting back time, giving a lore justification for sending Melinoe back to the start. But each time he does it, he gets weaker due to him taxing himself more for each defeat to finally be defeated for good after feeling that he’s simply delaying the inevitable, after failing to defeat Melinoe even using all of his strength. Also somehow incorporating Zagreus into Chronos’ defeat would be so cool

[@RidireOiche]

I remember as a young man, reading an article deconstructing Arthurian legend: Merlin’s sword Caliburn(the sword in the stone) and the Lady of the Lake’s sword Excalibur were both Celtic swords stolen from their final resting places by Arthur. The legends possibly derived from the celtic sword Claíomh Solais. The article went on to explain the Arthurian legend began as a Welsh tale built upon and romanticized over time by english authors and poets in the years after it was adopted by the english. The article stated, when a Celtic chief gave up their sword for whatever reason it was tradition to toss the sword into a body of water, conversely when they died in battle their compatriots would strike the fallen Celt's sword blade first into a cairn. As the ancient Celts were slightly better sword smiths than their anglo saxon counterparts, people believed the swords to possess magical properties and sought them out.

[@janMe]

3:19:27 A monster fear by even the Titans could also be Eros because in the myth of Phyche she is destined to marry a monster feared by the gods and becomes Eros's bride. Since sometimes he is said to be born from Chaos he could have been alive during the age of titans. I that would also explain why the face on the shield is not ugly like a typical monster.

[@xidjav1836]

also I kind of notice that if Dusa is THE Medusa then her serving Hades makes a lot of sense cause she was a priestess or a servant of the Gods one of the most proffocient one at that, she was even praised more then the Goddess she serves yet still prays to her, so it's kind of makes sense that she is also one of the most proffiecient maids in Hades court

[@Midorikonokami]

Medusa was a priestess for Athena, and Poseidon raped her _inside her temple_ ... In most myths she punished her by turning her into a snake headed monster who killed all she looked upon... I like to think Athena gave her a means to protect herself.

[@lupuseternia]

@@Midorikonokami So do I, It makes more sense to me atleast.

[@dwell7315]

@@Midorikonokami her being raped was only added by Ovid who had a problem with authority, every older (which also means every other) version of the myth has Medusa and Poseidon's actions were completely consensual, which also (ironically for Ovid) paints Athena in a worse light but lets Poseidon off a little. The reasoning behind Athena's punishment there is simply because one of her best priestesses just had sex with a rival god in the temple of the virgin goddess she worships.

[@kinagrill]

And then.... was it Athena I think? punished HER for getting raped.... yup, sounds like just the kind of gods I'd want to worship rather than fear the living hell out of.

[@kostasbiker9302]

@@dwell7315 Fuckin finally someone said it, i'm getting tired of Ovid's version being used because Muh Feminist icon Medusa.

[@mobumikey1447]

I think something pretty cool is that Poseidon wielded the Stygian sword due to the fact that it’s special is a ground slam and he was as you mentioned the earth-shaker such a small detail and makes the world feel so much more cleaner

[@sofdrink]

I guess the river styx falls into his sphere of oceans and seas etc.

[@ross9170]

Did you notice that Hypnos in the painting you showed with Thanatos is holding flowers? The same coloured flowers that sometimes bloom around him graphically when you interact.

[@AAAAHHHHhhH]

sry its been 2 yrs and u probally already know/knew this but theyre poppies, which were associated with Hypnos bc of the fact that they could be turned to Opium! You can also see them in the belt that he has on to the sides of the skull

[@Clockehwork]

The "make peace with death" line in the phrase for the Gilgamesh aspect is not referring to the death of Enkidu. At least, not directly. In the Epic of Gilgamesh, Enkidu's death gave Gilgamesh a fear of his own mortality, so he set off to find an herb that would make him immortal. He ultimately did find it, but it was stolen from him, and only after that did he come to peace with the fact that he would one day die, which is the conclusion and final moral of the story. As it would happen, he then went on to become one of the three judges of the Underworld for that mythology, an idea that later became adopted into Greek myth with Minos.

[@dominodamsel]

one thing i really like about zagreus' three love interests being different types of greek love is that thanatos is not eros, but agape. like, i think often gay relationships are kind of hypersexualized if portrayed at all, so it was very refreshing to me that they did not stumble into that unfortunate trend

[@planeta3059]

That also goes for Patroclus and Achilles! Their love is depicted so pure and sincere, which is really a breath of fresh air when it comes to homoerotic relationships in media

[@valacarno]

Āmen to both your comments. Couldn't agree more on this. 👍

[@doclouis4236]

"Subtlety" is something that's severely lacking in modern media, if we're being honest.

[@johnynoway9127]

i mean... You do know that God's family tree is a bush right? Everyone is with everyone like literally everyone is each other's brother or mother or cousin.

[@FadiAntwan]

Gay relationships are not “hyper-sexualized.” People are just homophobic and do not want to see gay people engaging in sexual activities whatsoever.

[@spiritandsteel]

This is, truly, one of the most incredible vids I’ve ever seen someone put together. Your erudition is broad and detailed… nearly every time I hear someone speak about myth it drives me crazy because of how much they get wrong or leave out, but not here. Incredibly well-researched, beautifully presented, and your enthusiasm for the topic comes through the whole way through a longer-than-feature-length-film KZbin video. That’s a - pardon the phrase- Herculean effort. I can’t imagine the amount of work you put in to this. Thanks for literal hours of entertainment and education, friend. And thank you, also, for your eye toward inclusivity and lifting voices in this space that need to be heard. Absolutely legendary, all around.

[@castlevaniasonataofarealsh3222]

The bit about Demeter's parentage being changed to avoid implications of incest is interesting. I definitely understand why they did it, and it's probably for the best in the case of Hades and Persephone. I will point out that despite Supergiant's efforts it's just so hard to get anywhere without running into some godly incest. They may have accidentally created that kind of implication when it comes to Zagreus and Thanatos. After all, Nyx acted as Zagreus' surrogate mother while Persephone was absent. Meaning in a certain way Zagreus and Thanatos grew up as half siblings, even though they aren't actually blood related. I definitely can't hold it against them though, it just comes with the territory. I'm curious if in Hades 2 they might just have to have some dialogue akin to "gods just be like that sometimes". Especially if Hera appears for instance.

[@zinkheroofyoutube8004]

Also, they didn't necessarily confirm Hyperion wasn't Kronos’ brother, which still leaves some cousin incest

[@helpgirlimhavingalifecrisis]

Hera not appearing in this game and possibly the next might be their way of getting around that. If she’s not in mind, then players won’t question where she is on the family tree.

[@SwiftpawWolffox]

Part of what made Hades such a great game is that Supergiant put their own twists on the classic mythology instead of copying it straight, but not crush it into 'family friendly' like Hercules does.

[@pinotnoir8995]

3 and a half hour video about Hades, now THIS is what I needed in my life

[@nenakarra2579]

an interesting thing about Charon, in Byzantine times in Greece he had evolved into a mix of Thanatos and the medieval Grim Reaper, he spoke little to the people he'd take the souls of but he also had a weapon. For example in a poem, a legendary hero called Akritas, the strongest Byzantine soldier, refused to let Charon take him to the Underworld on his fated day (despite Greeks becoming Christian, Hades and the Underworld very much remained as the afterlife in Greek collective conscience, even today) and challenged him to a fight. But Charon's weapon and power is too much for even the strongest man, so Akritas dies in the duel and gets dragged to the Underworld as just another shade.

[@angac.6974]

That would explain a lot about Charon’s strength in the game. He’s a beast!

[@voxlknight2155]

Hades in Christian terminology means something very different than it does in Greek Myth. They kept the word, but the concept was changed completely. Also, I am gonna be that guy. _Eastern Roman_

[@unseensounds]

THREE AND A HALF HOURS! There's no way I can watch this right now but I'm commenting now for the algorithm haha, I'll report back once I'm done :D Thank you so much for the love and dedication you put into every single video you make!

[@Ludiscere]

cheers man! really appreciate the support :)

[@pinkajou656]

I didn’t even notice wow…

[@ooowyn]

coming back here after hades 2 early access makes me hope you make an update on the sequel too, it's so pleasant to listen to you deep dive!

[@MartyrPandaGaming]

I would love if Hades 2 gave Aphroditie the same treatment Zagreus and Dionysus got, where they explore the the 3 different versions of her; Aphroditie Urania, Ariea and Pandemos. I would have loved to see some kind of reference to Areia with her banter with Ares, since that draws a stronger connection between the two, as War Gods, rather than just their tryst.

[@diegodevars4618]

22:40 Very interesting considering Zag did one of the hardest feats a hunter could ever do. Conquer the most dangerous beast in the whole underworld; Cerberus. He is indeed a Great Hunter. Also is it me but all of Nyx's kin have a skull belt?

[@harshvardhanparmar2000]

You did a great job explaining Vishnu. Basically, Vishnu is born in the mortal form, whenever humanity is in crisis. Whether that be a literal one, like the flooding of the world, or an ideological one, like too much evil running rampant. Rama is one of those mortal avatars of Vishnu, who is the perfect, most honest, just king of all time. His wife was kidnapped by an evil king named Ravana, and so he waged war against Ravana to get his wife back. The entire story of Rama is called the Ramayana. It's kinda like the Odyssey, but on land.

[@wearenumbooone8434]

why isnt this man and his channel on the trending page yet, this deserves so much more attention

[@rosco3]

Nyx character is imo very well written, every character is good but Nyx is probably the character where they had to make up most of it's personality and it ended up being my favorite character to interact

[@hairlessgrizzly559]

Yeah, she could've easily been the evil stepmother kinda character, but I love the fact that even though he's not her real son, Nyx still treats Zagreus like her son Then her role becomes more of a mentor than a mother figure for him as well

[@VoltasP]

Something that struck me is Zagreus' unusual demeanor, he's unflinchingly kind and magnanimous-- Unusual for a God-- And all of the mortal characters comment on his outgoing and benevolent personality. In Hippocrates and Galen's humoric theory, that would make his personality Sanguine; Literally ruled by blood.

[@silverpact1008]

Amazing point!

[@kevinistired]

This was incredible. I love how differing depictions of greek myth have adapted parts to fit in modern times. I especially enjoy how the story of Orpheus and Euridice have been adapted in Hades and the musical Hadestown.

[@pinkajou656]

Yes, yes, I don’t even play this game, but I love Greek mythology. I was very curious to see how it could be adapted into a video game, especially one with such hype! I am a Hadestown super fan as well!!!

[@linko9720]

@@pinkajou656 the game have so much lore its insane, if you love greek mythology (and more other myth) , you should play it!

[@davidmiller9485]

Chaos isn't stating how it was born, it's musing on how it "understood" the universe when it was born. (keeping in mind that it wasn't sure if it was born with, or the universe was born because of) Since Chaos has no reference to what was there before, it's knowledge of that moment lacks perspective and it's telling you that it could be X or Y or something else totally.

[@sonofcronos7831]

In the most well know greek mythology, Chaos is literaly emptness, this is why he birthed Erebus and Nyx, who are not real if you think about, since they are just darkness and the "abscence of light" just like Chaos, who is nothing. In orphism however is stated that Chaos is a "creation" of Chronos (not the Titan god Cronus, but the Primordial of Time), and Ananke (Destiny). He was born alongside Aether/Acmon (the Soul and Celestial Fire). And from Chronos, Aether and Chaos sprang Phanes, the Primordial of Life and Creation, who them bringed order out of Chaos and created the world, including Gaia, Ouranos, Pontos, Tartarus, Nyx, Erebus and Hemera (Ovid actually gives a very interisting creation of the world and he speaks of Phanes indirectly in his first chapter). But Chaos represents more emptiness than the "confusion of matter".

[@xWesterlund]

Its fun watching this as Hades II is slowly coming out. I'd love to see a revised/updated version to this video once the sequel is properly out! Great video!

[@Kane_225]

24:13 Just my personal thought on this, I have always considered Zagreuss’ entire character design reminiscent of the phoenix. His constant cycle of rising up from the depths to the surface only to die and be reborn again in the fires of hades.

[@Prnnce]

I believe the "making peace with death" in a forest bit of Gilgamesh's aspect references him losing the plant that would give him immortality to a snake after he decides to stop to bathe in a lake, following Enkidu's death

[@dionaeamuscipula6649]

So I did a quick calculation for the depth of tartarus. It's around the ballpark of 8467200 or 8.47 million kilometers deep assuming that the anvil falls at 9.8 meters per second. That's 22 times more than the space between The Earth and The Moon

[@bongothemidget1031]

Would the anvil not reach terminal velocity though?

[@janusmarais7580]

I think you made a mistake. The anvil would accelerate at 9.8ms² not fall at a constant speed of 9.8ms which appears to have been what you have done. If you use the formula : distance = ½ * acceleration * time² You would get 2962842624 km if you uses nine days. But if you use 10 days you get 3657830400 km.

[@janusmarais7580]

@@bongothemidget1031 the greeks did not know of terminal velocity. They only observed that light things like feathers fall slower and that heavy things like anvils fall faster. So by saying its an anvil I think it is implied you should ignore terminal velocity.

[@seleneshusi3204]

Wonderful video! I thought I knew a lot about Greek myth, but this video had surprised with more information. I love that you site your sources and gave in depth description and explanation. Any theories about who is the Poet is? I bet my life savings its Homer.

[@Ludiscere]

i also think it's most likely Homer!

[@IIIlllIIIlI]

youtube keeps putting this fucking video on when im sleeping i have watched it 7 times and i have never seen it

[@kassielee6441]

What an absolutely fantastic analysis. Your love of the subject really shines through and I’m excited to see your takes on Hades 2. Keep up the good work!!

[@steel8231]

In the really old mythology, in the Greece the Helenistic Greece called "Ancient Greece" Posidon was the big guy in the Pantheon as he was both the god of the sea and Earthquakes with horses to a Lesser degree of importance. The sea was important because trying to navigate Greece over land before modern roads was an ordeal. Earthquakes are pretty self explanatory in how terrifying they can be. I'm really not sure how Zeus ended up taking so much of the power in the pantheon, maybe his cult got a bunch of political pull at some point? (groups dedicated to specific gods were called cults at the time with not nearly the number of negative connotations the term has now)

[@wankawanka3053]

You are talking about greece during the bronze age not hellenistic Greece

[@elipticalecliptic481]

@@wankawanka3053"in the Greece [that] Hellenistic Greece [would have considered] Ancient Greece [for them]" it's a little unclear, the original sentence, but that's what they were trying to say

[@jacobhemingway4510]

The Aspect of Zeus shield is actually a reference to a fling that Zeus had before he had married Hera. The mortal's name was Metis, and in some mythology she even assisted in the start of the Titanomachy. Near the end, Gaea then curses Zeus with the patricide that had occured with Ouranos and Kronos. He then has a relationship with Metis where she ends up pregnant. Later on, he also teaches her to shapeshift. Knowing of Gaea's curse, he persuades Metis to shapeshift into a small bird of sorts to let her know the joy of flight. While she is enamored with the experience, Zeus turns into a large hawk and swallows Metis whole. None the wiser, Zeus then weds Hera and officially begins the Pantheon 2.0. While this is happening, Metis gives birth while being part of Zeus's being and raises her child, where she ends up perishing. An undisclosed amount of time has passed, where Zeus then is racked with an immobilizing migraine where he has Hephaistos split his skull to relieve him of the pain. The child then springs out of his head fully armored, weaponed, and aged. This is the conception of Pallas Athena. EDIT:probably very contrived, but it definitely seems to be a reference to his very first woman and technically his first child. Another thing to gather is that Gaea's curse had never actually lifted and what with all the gods not really liking each other, Athena was seen in the mythology to be a favorite of Zeus, as he saw her as the most dangerous of his offspring. Which is why she is seen as an advisor of sorts to the Pantheon as a whole in most media and seen as a sort of warden or keystone to the Olympean 'family' as a whole.

[@anajaimes4420]

3 and a half hours of straight mythos? YES PLEASE!!!

[@LimSiege]

I actually think Demeter's depiction as an old woman is also symbolic of the passing of seasons. Since the only seasonal aspect we see of her in game is winter, she is depicted as old an close to dying, which is an apt depiction of the death and withering of plant life in winter. They might have also taken other inspirations of old women winter incarnations, like Frau Holle.

[@marcog.verbruggen674]

Late to the party but one thing I'll add to Thanatos' section - regarding the butterfly. Like the scythe, this is not actually based on ancient greece, but butterflies are actually associated with Death in japanese culture - supposedly, butterflies would usually swarm battlefields after the fighting was over, drawn to the fresh blood on the corpses. Other insects associated with death by the japanese include centipedes, which are indicative of stagnation, rot, decay, and death. given the other uses of butterflies in game, as mentioned in the video, the ancient greek "soul" association of the butterfly is probably the actual inspiration, but I think the cross-cultural convergence of themes/meanings is interesting :D

[@johnromero6315]

This video has made for perfect listening material while playing Hades. I'm amazed at the effort it must have taken to put this together. Great work!

[@afqwa423]

Zagreus outright calls himself the god of blood later on. This is after the loading screen with Hades saying that while Zagreus is a god, he doesn't know what he's a god of, except for perhaps back-talking Hades. You may remember Zagreus will respond to the things his dad says in the loading screens.

[@namitea420]

Finally had time to watch the last part today. It was as much a joy to watch this as to play Hades itself. I really appreciate the amount of effort, research and enthusiasm put into this. And as someone who isn't overly familiar with Greek myths, I learnt a lot as well. :D Glad to see the vid is doing well too, though it definitely deserves many more views!

[@mariekeana]

I love this video so much. It's my go-to for insomnia and I rewatch it probably at least once a month. Also love your other videos but I'm obsessed with both hades and Greek mythology, so this is just perfect. You did a wonderful job. I can't wait to see what you do next and I'm sorry you're dealing with so many health issues. Since unfortunately getting well doesn't seem to be on the table, I hope you can adjust well and find things that make your days a bit easier.

[@andisir]

Commenting because I can’t wait for you to make one for Hades 2

[@stupidoeecho6949]

I don’t really see a lot of people talking about this, which makes sense because of the lack of info but that fragment from Aeschylus is super interesting to me because of the mention of Zagreus as a Hospitaler. For those who don’t know, the Hospitalers were a religious order from the island of Malta, who were basically crusaders specializing in medicine and healing. This connection makes a lot of sense if Zag was a healer or life god in some capacity. I’m unable to find the original Greek version of the fragment, so I can’t verify if the translation of Hospitaler is correct or not. But if it is the association with a healing knight would line up pretty well with a life or blood god. Bit of a rant, I know but that connection stood out to me as something worth more than a passing mention.

[@BlickWinckel]

Aaaa it's finally out!! I'll be splitting this video through various days but I just wanted to congratulate you on making it, I'm sure it'll be great!

[@michaelflatt4663]

This is criminally underrated. I am only leaving a comment to hope this video gets more traction. You put so much time/research into this video. Cheers.

[@thefandomguy4202]

Holy crap! I see I’m 9 months late but you definitely earned a follower in me with this video. I already knew a lot of this but you still find details in dialogue or designs that I completely missed. The passion and dedication show and I can’t wait to watch more of your content.

[@PsyrenXY]

I really love that they went with Chaos being nonbinary / pangender, theyre such a badass character

[@hairlessgrizzly559]

It makes sense too, since Chaos is just a mass of existence They have no gender, they are just... There, *being*

[@enlightmentxv1548]

For those interested in some extra reading, go for "The House of Asterion" of Borges. Is a retelling of the myth but from the perspective of the minotaur, is really a great read. On the same page with the minotaur; Deadalus, the craftsman who makes the cow-like thingy so the queen can get wild with the bull was tasked with building the labyrinth where the minotaur is imprisoned and where he and his son, Icarus (yes, thet one), were to be kept captive, in a tower, but he tried to make wind out of wax and, well, you know how it end for Icarus

[@GeneralJaydonius]

"...But we'll ignore that, for the sake of making my argument look better." I might quote that.

[@XinGraves13]

This is a fantastic video. Seriously. I've been watching this off and on for, like, 2 days, now. It really helps fill the spaces, which is something that DEFINITELY helps with my depression.

[@Ludiscere]

thank you! i am really pleased to hear this has helped :)

[@archaicden]

One thing that I personally love for Achilles design, which is something most people don't notice, is that they decided to portray the cut off hair that Achilles cut off after Patroclus death. This piece of hair was meant to be cut off by his father once he returned from war, to make the joyful return something physical, but as Achilles knew that with his heart cold and his other half now on his way to Hades, he burned it on Patroclus' pyre. You can see the cut off strands of hair close to his face, and its something so specific that, and now I am speaking as an artist myself, I only would've drawn it if I knew of this specific piece of information. Insane. And thank you so much for this video, I am a huge greek mythology enjoyer, especially the Iliad and the Odyssey, and seeing this put together beautifully with my favorite game ever, is fantastic. I'm looking forward to Hades II, and if you make a video on it, I will be waiting happily.

[@dylanp629]

this video is absurdly well polished and voiced, and I love the details like the matched fonts when placing sources in the in game dialogue box.

[@btetirick]

Just a note on Orpheus, his design was also inspired by Morpheus in the Sandman series, as in that series it's noted that Morpheus is the father of Orpheus.

[@BeamTheChao]

Just finished the video- WOW!!!! Thank you so much for this masterpiece! I was the kid that grew up reading history and mythos books instead of fiction, and even then there was so much you brought up (and that Hades brought up) that I never knew!! Absolutely delicious video, you deserve a huge pat on the back. I know you had to keep it short, but even then as you said, there was so much more you could delve into with certain characters and items. Characters like Achilles and Orpheus could almost have their own videos!!!

[@23lopis]

I'm so proud of you for dedicating so much time to this series!

[@Tralldan]

Came back here to rewatch this in preparation for Hades 2. And also to ask for a video like this once that game is out. I can't freaking wait, but I know SGG gotta take their time.

[@arborfeliciano7526]

Please do another of these for hades 2 upon its full release i absolutely love how deep this video goes!!

[@prototypecetma]

The amount of research and time to make this is unequivocally impressive. A simple “Thank you” isn’t enough. Know that your work is greatly appreciated!

[@vivaldismurder8779]

I expected maybe an hour, not three! I love your work, really excited for this one :)

[@ScherrHrenner]

35:08 As a classical philologist (Greek) who also once had to write a paper on Thanatos in university, I confirm that Thanatos hasn't been associated with scythes in antiquity. It's his weapon of choice in modern media, obviously referencing the Grim Reaper, whereas ancient sources portay him, if armed at all, with a sword. Euripides' drama "Alcestis" is a well-known example while also being the extant work of Ancient Greek literature where Thanatos gets to shine the most. The article on scythes in "Der Neue Pauly" (a scientific encyclopedia on the ancient world, written in German) even goes so far as to state that scythes were unknown in Ancient Greece. Sickles were the commonly used agricultural instrument and also heavily associated with Cronus.

[@akshayjugdhar]

@ludiscere You are a legend. You haven't just created a three-hour-long video but a freaking Thesis. I appreciate the amount of study you have done for the sake of video its huge. You have not left a single stone unturned. Cheers!

[@Redfax201]

Hearing Demeter woman-handling titans with bare fists, and Hestia going commando with an HMG is the funniest things I ever heard XD