The Navy's new stealth fighter is leaving the Air Force behind

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[@speedyfpv7104]

It seems they're only offering 40% off.

[@jerseywalcott6408]

Same here.

[@russelbrown6275]

Hey how about Japans 6th Gen

[@speedyfpv7104]

@SandboxxApp

[@fantasyfleet]

@@russelbrown6275wasn’t the UK involved in that as well 😂

[@Verminator4]

Honestly if the FA-XX ends up being a good aircraft the air force should just use it as well. If the air force could swallow its pride and use the Phantom in the Cold War they can use this new aircraft too. Still not sure that the navy will be the first over the line though. Go team Tempest

[@ThirdLawPair]

There might be different needs.

[@dgthe3]

@@ThirdLawPair A Navy jet should work reasonably well as a basis for an Air Force jet. The reverse is rarely true though.

[@GrigoriZhukov]

​@dgthe3 Possibly even handle rough fields, roadways etc. I have always felt that our attack and fighters should able to fly/fight from anywhere a C-130 can go. Yeah, I am weird like that.

[@demscrazy6574]

Sounds like an ace combat plane

[@LeonardTavast]

​@@GrigoriZhukovthat's the thinking behind JAS-39 and why Finland opted for F-18. Being able to operate fighters from roads is a massive advantage. Fighters shouldn't be afraid of a bit of dirt.

[@jajssblue]

Given potential Pacific war, it makes sense that the Navy might be the first to field. It might also help the Air Force have lessons learned before they move forward.

[@jloiben12]

While true, the most likely time for a pacific war is far earlier than the F/A-XX is likely going to be ready for operations, let alone had in numbers

[@cynthiaherbst3909]

​​@@jloiben12well big sticks on Naval air platforms or on strategic bombers with the necessary software to integrate AIM 174s. The range means those launch platforms will be safe will data link from a stealth picket guides them in.

[@perhaps_not_]

@@jloiben12 this is why we need to divert all of our tax usage to the industrial-military complex. screw the roads and hospitals, planes are hell of a lot cooler

[@jloiben12]

@@cynthiaherbst3909 The F/A-XX is going to become operational in the 2030s. That is almost guaranteed to be too late for a war with China if there is one. Such a war is almost guaranteed to be a 2020s thing

[@jloiben12]

@@perhaps_not_ Nice meme

[@HugmugusFlibidyhukus]

It’s kinda disappointing that the best strategy for the air force is less expensive saturation warfare. Ngad would be so sick.

[@kameronjones7139]

Yup basically keeping your experienced guys alive is a massive advantage that no army can afford to lose

[@authoritariangentleman7570]

Maybe they have inside info into another program

[@HailAzathoth]

Could be they want to wait for the tech to mature before commiting to their next world beater, while filling the gap with drones in the mean time.

[@BRAINFxck10]

That's because NGAD is already so ahead of everything else no other Air Force comes close, like we're already talking about 6th gen fighters and they haven't caught up to our 5th gen fighters yet so no need to use the big toys yet, being disappointed because your enemies are no match is a good problem to have

[@jameson1239]

It makes sense you can only put around a 100 airframes on a carrier so it makes sense to put the best aircraft you can get when you have to deal with such a limited number of

[@rackem6724]

Why not use the B-21 as the "NGAD" for the air force. The Navy is always forward deployed and is size limited. The airforce doesn't need to worry about either of those. You could load up a B-21 with the new longer range air to air missiles. Then give it a RQ-180 and a couple loyal Wingman. Build 500 of them to do both bombing and air superiority.

[@Scaadoo]

US Air Force is studying this option seriously

[@jaredyoung5353]

Navy has carriers, Air Force does not. AF probably will lean into B21 bases , Navy leans into FA-XXthat can launch from carriers

[@InterstellarTaco]

The size limitation isn't much of an issue. Remember the Navy had no issue stuffing loads of F14s on their flight decks and that plane is a bus. And I'm fairly certain if it came to it the Navy wouldn't mind carrying less FAXX since it will be vastly more capable in an A2A role than the F18.

[@kameronjones7139]

How do you plan on putting on a carrier?

[@51498jrod]

B-21 is even more expensive than NGAD although its already in production which is a major plus

[@V3racious3]

The renders look like an FY-23 had a love child with a FA-18

[@Trojan0304]

Navy is the tip of the spear in the Pacific. Need more range . Dad worked on Grumman planes

[@middy552]

Navy is our first defense they gotta get past it and the coast gaurd. So yeah it needs alot of funding.

[@joeybabybaby5843]

I've been wondering about this very issue since the USAF decided to reassess the NGAD program. Thanks so much Alex!

[@madkabal]

I think the USAF (if our government does the smart thing) will probably just adopt the F/A-XX it makes no sense to have two different 6th gen air superiority fighters, if it can land on a ship, it can land on a runway.

[@stevenoe6395]

@@madkabal yea I agree but the government tends do do the wrong thing like not have guns on fighters in Vietnam! That worked so well lol

[@Youtubeuser1aa]

Range

[@CorneliusAster]

Got to keep all the vendors in business. A lot of politics involved.

[@bertg.6056]

My thought exactly. But there are more powerful forces than logic and common sense at work here.

[@RTS907]

But they have differs use cases. Navy needs fold up wings to store more jets, but that limits max G forces. Also, Navy needs heavy duty landing gear which has the operative word “heavy.” Air Force doesn’t need folding wings so that it can be more maneuverable. Air Force can use lighter landing gear so that weight savings can be either faster, more fuel or more weapons. Combining both of those systems results in lots of trade offs resulting in a less efficient jet.

[@JosephEskins-jj8xs]

Brother Alex, this is one of my favorite shows to watch. You are so well studied and informed. Your voice is one of a kind that I would recognize anywhere! Keep up the great work!

[@RaceLine25]

Thank you for covering this. So many channels now use garbage and lifeless sounding AI to “talk,” it’s horrible and unbearable. Appreciate you!

[@RazvanMihaeanu]

It's all about the aerodynamical limitations of a kite / flyig wind design: it works like a charm for bombers like B-2 Spirit / B-21 Raider.. but not for fighters, who need - at least for now - massive horizontal and vertical mobile control surfaces / empennage for the more needed "acrobatic" maneuverability. US Air Force can't compromise on that... but the US Navy can.

[@Idahoguy10157]

As much as the USAF hates buying a “navy” aircraft, do they have a choice. Assuming they need a new 6th generation fighter.

[@romanace3432]

The navy will have a better fighter than the Air Force for the first time since the f22 entered service if this succeeds.

[@The_ZeroLine]

You can get 6th generation! In the Navy! You’ll have a loyal wingman! In the Navy! You’ll have a stealth fighter! In the Navy!

[@TheScottShepard]

A drone could turn in ways that favor the position of inlets in ways human pilots cannot without making their heads explode. So having them on top doesn’t mean turning performance needs to suffer, just turn in the “negative” direction.

[@msytdc1577]

There is no longer any mechanical connections needed for moving flight surfaces or anything now that everything is computerized and fly by wire, so you could put the cockpit/pilot chairs on a swivel mechanism and just spin the crew and the whole plane 180° to go from ultra stealth to dog fight mode if it was that big of a deal. Or do like the MIG-29 and have an alternate air path to the engines on the bottom that open during high angle of attack maneuvers so air can get to the engines regardless of how it is oriented.

[@meanman6992]

Not surprised, besides the Navy I’d argue needs priority anyway… due to carriers being the US’s main method of military power projection. The 15EX though…. Hell of a jet, 5th and 6th gen be damned, if it can detect from insane range at high altitude going screaming fast, it will have the magazine capacity of air to air weapons to give the middle finger to most everything. Hyper maneuverability is a cool party trick, low observability is too…. But I’d argue like 18-20 air to air weapons and insane range and detection coupled with Mach 2+ speeds don’t care… with these new radars, if it can see it, it best go cold and run away, if they can….a fusion of F15EX and F-35 could be very, very interesting.

[@cynthiaherbst3909]

I prefer keeping 5th gen in their given as you mentioned the F35 sensor suite, the scope, to data link the missile truck of the F15EX, the rifle

[@angelaferkel7922]

True with 99% of the potential enemy aircraft that face the F-15EX However against a J-20 that is significantly less observable plus has better long range weapons (at the moment) i wouldnt say the F-15 EX would have an easy time I mean the J-20 lacks in some aspects for sure but if it can detect the very large RCS of the Eagle while still avoiding a reliable lock due to being stealthy enough (if) then it will have good chances with the long range weapons to strike and run off before the eagle could really lock on. But we dont know cuz the actual details for this are classified

[@Xenomorphine]

F-15 is an evolutionary dead end. The moment you base anything on that, you're completely surrendering stealth. which means you aren't going to be operating it anywhere inside of hostile airspace. Look at why Russia doesn't fly its jets inside of Ukranian airspace, at present. And the more you hang off of it, the more unforgiving the resulting speed, agility and range penalties are going to be.

[@kameronjones7139]

Depending on the spec of it, it wouldn't surprise me if the usaf also bought a version of this fighter. It would help keep costs down while giving a future replacement to the f22. With that being said, i have to wait for the Air Force review of its own while also waiting for more information to come out about this

[@BRAINFxck10]

I WOULD be surprised...since when does the military industrial complex wanna keep the costs down 😂 They'll throw Lockheed another 65 billion dollars for something slightly better

[@angelaferkel7922]

But Alex pointed out that the air force NGAD fighter would be built to replace the Raptor which almost only had a2a capabilities and a2g were taken over by other jets. The F/A-XX takes over the role of the Super Hornet which is a multi role fighter with a2a; a2g and even anti ship capabilities. All these capabilities will make the fighter more expensive and more complex and have downsides aswell which is why the airforce probably would rather want their own fighter that does not have a bunch of expensive and complex tech onboard that is less relevant that the originally intended role of pure Airsuperiority

[@angelaferkel7922]

But Alex pointed out that the air force NGAD fighter would be built to replace the Raptor which almost only had a2a capabilities and a2g were taken over by other jets. The F/A-XX takes over the role of the Super Hornet which is a multi role fighter with a2a; a2g and even anti ship capabilities. All these capabilities will make the fighter more expensive and more complex and have downsides aswell which is why the airforce probably would rather want their own fighter that does not have a bunch of expensive and complex tech onboard that is less relevant that the originally intended role of pure Airsuperiority

[@kameronjones7139]

@angelaferkel7922 That isn't true. The f35 can do all of that, but it isn't super expensive. What matters is numbers built, which will increase if the airforce also buys it

[@FUL0H8]

Chairforce gotta cut that steak and lobster dinner out to make that happen.

[@canadianeh4792]

I would like to see Canada offer to help finance the project. 88 F35As are not enough and the F18s have worked well for us. The real concern with the F-35s was range, the FA-XX will probably be better for our arctic. Having a combination of both would be a huge improvement for the RCAF into the future and help lower the cost to the USN. NORAD is a concern for both countries, it's a strategic win for both Canada and the US. Probably wishful thinking though, considering our procurement process. In fact, considering our procurement process, I'd like them to just hand the money over, shut up and buy what comes out.

[@BP26P]

Can’t wait for the Air Force’s NGAD: the KC/RQ/F/A/B-21

[@erod19969]

I am now wondering if Northrop/Grumman knew something when it decided to drop out of the Air Force NGAD program.

[@brianhenderson7893]

Thanks Alex for the update!

[@ThirdLawPair]

My guess is that it is going to be a large aircraft that can fit the AIM-174 in the internal weapons bay and be optimized for BVR.

[@cynthiaherbst3909]

I would be curious if a higher payload platform as such will be given the engine suite to go supersonic. Launching an Air to air missile at higher speed and altitude does help probability of kill a good bit.

[@griffinfaulkner3514]

​@@cynthiaherbst3909Given the advances in engine tech and aerodynamics, a Tomcat-sized fighter packing next-gen adaptive-cycle engines should be capable of some truly staggering speeds.

[@andrewpizzino2514]

A new fleet fighter

[@cynthiaherbst3909]

@@griffinfaulkner3514 that would certainly be a good asset to have especially if you don't have to sacrifice stealth if airspace is contested.

[@rupertpollard24]

A benefit of the modular approach to Next Gen aircraft is that the Navy can field a slightly compromised version of a 6th gen fighter, but will benefit from upgrades made to a slightly delayed Air Force version. Staggering the procurement and delivery dates will build in upgrades to major systems incrementally between aircraft allowing for iterative upgrades throughout both programs.

[@christopherlund1198]

That might be the way to go anyway. Let one service do the heavy lifting of development, then the following services can use it as a base platform to modify according to their specific set of needs.

[@texasranger24]

A video about the X65 and active flow control would be cool.

[@jeffi854]

I truly hope that our department of defense will keep the information about this airframe top secret and classified.

[@ThatOldMan2112]

I would argue that the navy needs them more anyway. They are our forward arm and how the US projects power into the hottest zones on short notice.

[@wilinstonthompson1352]

I have a feeling our adversarys will be getting up to date info on our military planning advancements come January 20th .

[@user-ho1yn6ms7y]

Alex, I agree with your previous assessments: the Air Force should use the B-21 as a multi-role aircraft that includes air superiority. Dog fighting is a technique of the past. The Navy however does need that dedicated aircraft for all the points you made in this video.

[@kevinmaki2504]

Maybe we should build solar powered stealth Zeppelin's? Make them capable of one hundred thousand feet. We could be right over them and they wouldn't even know.

[@LA-ep2nr]

The Air Force’s NGAD reassessment can quickly be changed when the need arrives. Don’t forget the F-4 Phantom. A Navy design embraced by the Air Force. Just saying.

[@warbuzzard7167]

Just an item of note here: The Israelis call the F-15 Eagle the "Ra'am," which means "Thunder" in Hebrew. Kind of a cool name, huh?

[@MotoroidARFC]

Thought that only applied to the F-15 I, the variant specifically for Israel (basically a mash up of Strike Eagle incorporating some Israeli avionics).

[@DriveByShouting]

I just call it the “Super-Bird”.

[@ralph72462]

Having wingdrone backup should be priority because drones can make maneuvers and pull Gs than humans can't plus they act as a extra layer of protection for our maned aircraft. I hope the Navy gets this done as soon as possible. If the Airforce can't make up it's mind then maybe they can later settle for the Navy standard with what ever modifications they may need but I would think that anything that can take off and land on an aircraft carrier should have no problems operating in an Airforce role. That's my opinion but I am no expert.

[@chrisstockton7153]

My cousin used to work on Life Support systems on F18's and he said they retired his plane like 5 or 6 years ago. I thought he said that they were replaced by the F35 Lightnings though

[@MotoroidARFC]

Legacy Hornets?

[@jasoncw8854]

its not the USAF vs another country, its the USAF vs USN for the jet race

[@fredwilliams7551]

Another great video. It seems to me the need for speed and maneuverability for range and stealth this screams just makes one for both the Navy and the Airforce Plus, I see them more as QBs vs actual engagement with the onset of CCAs

[@MrCateagle]

Perhaps the USAF should once again look at adopting a USN design once again.

[@texasranger24]

Could you do a video about the future of Shorad? Will short range air defense provided by the laser stryker? Will the Bradley replacement IFV XM30 function as an anti air cannon? Should the US look at the SkyRanger / Skynex / millenium gun system? And will there be a Stinger replacement with a better battery, targeting, and most importantly more affordable? Or is this affordable future the APKWS guidance upgrade for the cheap and plentiful Hydra 70mm rocket? Should we slap that on Avenger Hummvees? Or IRIS-T? And how are M-shorad Strykers doing? The new EAGLS?!

[@TheHk1966]

Are you a leading shareholder in General Dynamics? You keep posting the exact same thing on every one of Sandboxx’s posts. Chill on dude. Alex will cover it if it has merit.

[@DocDixon]

15:41 that is definitely right above Burke airport in Cleveland… 😅

[@Thatdamnsmith]

You do great work Alex. I would support you for removing comments that call out your need to advertise. You choose great responsible ways to advertise. Also just in case anyone was wondering I got a ground news subscription cause I wanna be informed like Alex H… get educated y’all. Some of you in the comment section seem to be lacking on that aspect of life…

[@seanhewitt603]

Sooooo, uh, mach 2.5 super cruise, 3.2 with afterburner aught to be a goal.

[@Hyposonic]

There's clearly more to the story. When the services make decisions that don't make any sense, there's usually a reason we aren't allowed to know. For example, the reason the B-1A was cancelled was later revealed to fund development of the B-2 (and maybe something else).

[@danam0228]

Great coverage, thank you

[@HikeZaddy]

Love your work

[@TheOsfania]

Great job on this video! 👍🏽🍻🎧

[@jeffreyholdeman3042]

Love the footage at 15:23 above Burke Lakefront airport in CLE.

[@Bytesplice]

With the Navy moving ahead, I can see the result being forced on the Air Force, much like the F-4 Phantom II (which didn't turn out all that bad)

[@dennisclapp7527]

Thanks Alex

[@A_Man_Named_Mark]

FIRST!!! 😁😁😁 and for the record... AF pilots and planes are bangers. But the Navy is just a different animal to all others!

[@ftc9258]

Let's see if it will become another Phantom or Avenger. 😉

[@jajssblue]

I would guess that the broken records might be more like battlefield management like F35 where its the number of targets engaged and destroyed.

[@nomar5spaulding]

Last thing I heard from someone was that the Navy was pretty close to having cancelled F/A-XX.

[@michaelinsc9724]

Definitely more important for the USN to get a 6th gen.

[@sgt.grinch3299]

Well done

[@tarmaque]

I gotta wonder what's up Saab's sleeve right now.

[@kawamuradesign931]

NGAD should place the rudders horizontal for max stealth encroachment then move to near vertical when a dog fight is acquired through a merge.

[@Nathan-vt1jz]

It seems wasteful to split the program, especially when the design is moving towards bomber stealth characteristics. If the AF and Navy both chipped in on the same design, with increased volume of scale. It seems like the better choice logistically and financially.

[@alanaspurling6469]

That’s been tried before, the result was the F-111 naval variant which was impossible to do carrier ops in and broke the propulsion out of when landing…

[@Feefa99]

Whole military industrial complex is wasteful

[@griffinfaulkner3514]

​@@alanaspurling6469Counterpoint, the F-4 Phantom was so good that literally every branch adopted it as their mainline fighter. F/A-XX could allow for something similar.

[@bftjoe]

so you want another f35? LOL

[@sixgunmiller6198]

THANX ALEX

[@pastorrich7436]

This seems a good time to muse on a name for the F/A-XX. What say you all?!! Phantom III, perhaps? (NAVY and USAF versions)

[@Scaadoo]

Be very interested to see how similar the new US navy stealth fighter is to UK/Japan Tempest when they both come into production

[@Mishn0]

The Air Force could just buy the Navy jet. It's not like they haven't done that before!

[@Tyler.i.81]

It just looks like the Northrop YF-23 grey ghost.

[@Preciouspink]

What about scaling back on the “Do everything F-15 EX” I would like more on that story before hearing about “ a yet to be prototyped dream machine”.

[@humanbass]

They could save money by using the upcoming APG-85 at first. It is supposed to be an amazing radar way better than anything currently fielded and will make for a swift transition.

[@ibDirtyGlasses]

Airpower! 1:39

[@Xenomorphine]

Pretty sure ye olde F-4s were switching between air-to-air and air-to-ground, way back in Vietnam. They carried Sidewinders, after all.

[@henryskupek2673]

F8s as well

[@keithpovec6462]

I want to know more about active camouflage. If it exists, where would it be deployed and how expensive would it be.

[@joetran8798]

I think this "Stealth" craze is getting out of hand. There are uses for high-speed, high-manoeuvrability non-stealth combat aircraft. Plug in some additional defence technologies and you have a lot of flexibility. Also the ability to remote pilot drones would be nice.

[@gregsutton2400]

well. first does matter. If you start the war with a fighter worse then what the enemy will make but superior to what they have made, that is actually a total win.

[@peetky8645]

best voice on the internet.

[@marcppparis]

I’d think drone wingman with F35A, F35C controlling would gain much of the benefit at a fraction of the price. Also derisk the project and can be put in production sooner

[@peteracker3743]

Mr. Hollingsworth 20:56 , In regards to fuel efficiencies and ranges, what ever happened to 'Twelve Company's' contract with the military, regarding replacement/substitute fuels? Haven't seen any recent updates

[@baka1984]

5:18 wow, that is an awful landing, I bet that pilot got lit up for this.

[@daciefusjones8128]

costs will be the biggest factor in getting these planes built. the defence budget will get slashed after 2025. there are too many competing systems that need to be funded so combining systems as much as possible would be more cost effective.

[@Cars-N-Jets]

Thoughts on the J-35 Alex? Video coming soon about it?

[@davedevonlad7402]

Its interesting that all these next gen projects look the same whatever country it is coming from. Ex- Taranis uk, nEUROn france,X-47b usa and a few others. Its also interesting that the Taranis project went "dark" very suddenly after a very successful test flight in Australia. The B21 raider is very interesting, does it have the loyal wingman concept already. A few countries have landed drones like the ones above on carriers already and the uk carriers have technology already built in for future drone aircraft so is it being used now without our knowledge... Just think thr RQ-170 has been around since 2007 "almost 17 years ago" so what is out there now.

[@texasranger24]

4:00 to skip the ad because you already know about ground news

[@BillMallett]

Loved it

[@HCH9990]

FYI, the UK government is also talking to the Saudis about coming into the consortium building Tempest. Discussed in Parliament recently.

[@michaelmeredith912]

The Air Force may figure their B21 Raider is just so capable that perhaps it can even cover some of the duties that an F22 would handle? Maybe it’s not as crazy as it sounds if drones are factored in…. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@nekomakhea9440]

> It's not which fighter is first, but which fighter is best Or be like F-35 and just be cheapest through sheer economy of scale production that you can even compete against most 4th gen fighters on price. That completely killed all possibility of a competing 5th gen fighter by sucking the oxygen out of the room.

[@texasranger24]

The US Army just chose General Dynamics and Rheinmetall as finalists for the 4000 Bradley replacement IFVs (well, a year ago). Could you do a Firepower series video about this program, the two finalists and the other three that dropped out. Or more generally the current state of IFVs (Bradley, CV90, Puma, Lynx) and their most likely future. Maybe even including anti air IFVs like some CV90 variants and SkyRanger.

[@cameroncarley7958]

I see you in every comment section and every time I do I hope that he sees your comment cause I’d really like to see the same videos.

[@dextermorgan1]

I'm tired of hearing about Ground News. I pay for KZbin premium for a reason. That, plus every "service" advertised on KZbin seems to be some kind of scam anyway. No thanks. Enough is enough.

[@cjm2995]

Couldn’t for example the Ghost Bat become an EW platform? Instead of using a fighter platform?

[@kenjohnson8751]

No Alex Hollings video is complete without at least one use of the phrase "on the planet".

[@hawk0485]

what is that music, I thought I was getting a skype call

[@rashadarbab2769]

5.2 billion for 25 jets comes to 208 million a jet. i guess thats probably closer to lifetime costs with service contracts and munitions? Still though that does seem like a lot when an f35 A can be bought out the door for 85 million. Maybe the US has the most preferential pricing and thats why costs even though are high are not as high as other countries need to pay to buy jets.

[@Ariel-x1x]

Who can know? There's no program-of-record because it will be an evolved long-range F/A-35D strike-fighter. Sorry to spoil the fun re spooky NGAD speculation. Australia currently uses the same strikefighter USN uses, and that was expanded to Growler. F/A-18F & E/A-18G both need to be replaced. NGJ is also being acquired by RAAF and the NGJ introduction is planned for 2032. Which fits perfectly. The planned replacement was announced & budgeted for during 2019. Which was a very interesting, given there was no aircraft in sight that could do it, except a new USN F/A-XX. IMO this is the reason Australia cancelled the F-35A's acquisition at 72 airframes, instead of the "up to 100" F-35A that was planned. Which was mystifying. The reason given at the time was RAAF was looking forward to buying "new technology". This explains it. RAAF's planning to acquire around 48 of these new USN aircraft, to fill both Strike and EA roles, because the USN is doing the exact same thing. Because of NGJ, whatever USN replaces Growler with, RAAF will do the same. The F-35 program-of-record already exists as does the aircraft and its airworthiness certificate, all of which can be added to. So the advanced 'new-gen', new-technology aircraft will be an evolved F/A-35D, and E/A-35E. These will incorporate improvements, advancements and role optimizations that are based on the F-35C airframe. They will most likely include first use of a 6th-gen AETP engine for extended range and loiter, and provide air-supremacy edge and better altitude performance, including supercruise and kinematic advantage. AETP will also reduce the drag impost of carrying NGJ on an E/A variant, and the improved altitude performance will increase NGJ footprint performance, and its cooling. AETP: "... In 2016, the Adaptive Engine Transition Program (AETP) was launched with the goal of developing and testing adaptive engines for the future sixth generation fighter programs, Penetrating Counter Air (PCA) or Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) for USAF, and F/A-XX for US Navy, as well as potential re-engining of the F-35. The program assigned the new designations XA100 for General Electric's design and XA101 for Pratt & Whitney's. ..."

[@eloygarcia5464]

This is kind of like the movie “Stealth”

[@Feefa99]

Trash you mean?

[@harkamelrandhawa7125]

I guess it does how naughty these f15s are. I think the f15 could become a centenary fighter that will be just as potent as any other in 2070s

[@bobkohl6779]

Wishful thinking. Navy has major problems including the Constellation clasd Charlie Foxtrot. Their budget isn't unlimited

[@Justanotherconsumer]

The Frank Kendall clip being from a charity drive is… I mean it’s probably not commentary but it kinda is.

[@jaypoe6326]

Abolish the chair force, divide the cash X4(space force) and get everything else done with cash left over... A LOT of cash left over. Enough to supply NGAD and give more carrier strike groups with drone swarms.

[@TerryCheever]

That's cool, same country just different mission, go for it. Who knows, if the Navy's bird is good enough the Air Force might adopt it too, remember back to the F-4 phantom.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Only reason they care is that the program office goes to the Air Force and some bureaucrat gets a slightly bigger title bump.

[@MultiCconway]

Probably going to keep that 65K feet altitude . . . or they will wear a pressure suit. Don't want the blood to boil. The USN F/A-XX will most likely have canards to provide superior control coming back onboard the boat.

[@burtonbinger5158]

what you don't want to suggest is that a refueler is one hell of an attack plain lots of gas no guy to waist an full of a fuel bomb. faxx

[@Madarius7]

The refueling drone they have in the works and testing is literally begging to be turned into a “cruise Moab”

[@KiingOfKombat]

why dont the US airforce and US navy just work together. something like France with their rafael which has a navy and air force varient. they would save so much money

[@nathanthanatos3743]

Do the active flow control systems you refer to have anything to do with that NASA Novel Effectors program?