The NBA CHANGED THE RULES Because The Pistons Were TOO GOOD!

[@midwestmarauder4821]

Mike James and Lindsey Hunter came in off the bench and pressed the hell out the opponents back court. The 04 Pistons Defense was a site to see!!!!

[@gurkdoinwork]

That 2nd unit was tough. Mike James really was an unsung hero. Same with Memo.

[@cwagsr7189]

The Pitbulls

[@MotorCityMob]

The Going To Work era team was so special.. The chemistry they had together was insane..

[@bruceharris718]

Teams couldnt score over 70 80 points against the pistons. There was no 120 140 points every night back then.

[@adr3naline23]

Until the Pacers came up with artest

[@theungreatkahli]

I know. These days, I still watch and enjoy the game, but it’s weird seeing games all regularly ending on 145-138 scores. Too many threes being shot these days for my tastes.

[@bruceharris718]

@@adr3naline23 he was there in 01. What happened? 00 was the pacers eastern conference win. Lost to the piston 04. Pistons back 05. The league put a stop to playing defence because of the spurs and pistons. Not artest and the pacers. Or did you mean something else..

[@davidmilton5887]

​@@theungreatkahli Players don't play defense anymore. Remember when every team had little boys that would mop up the sweat off the floor when the teams transitioned to the other end ? You don't see those boys now because the players are sweating much these days. The lack of effort is readily apparent.

[@kobebryant6576]

Pistons definitely couldn’t regularly score over 80, which is why they got beat by the Spurs. The Pistons would have lost to the heat in 05 if Dwade didn’t get hurt.

[@shadowgrinch]

Fun fact: the shot clock was invented because of the 1950 Pistons when they held the ball to defeat Mikan's Lakers, 19-18. The only way the Lakers could get the ball back was to foul the Pistons players.

[@dclayton734]

Every time, the Pistons won a championship. The NBA has changed the rules.

[@jackson5781]

Sheeds Pistons team was the one Pistons team everyone rooted for. Zeke's sorry Pistons team I didn't root for except rodman

[@charleswilder7167]

Sheed said it, the Pistons(all championship)were bad for business. Those 82-89 games were 🗑.

[@jamesonedwardsii4943]

@@jackson5781sorry but they won two rings….. doesn’t make sense

[@na_k]

​​@@jackson5781Sorry, huh?? Only team to knock off Larry/McHale's Celtics, Jordan/Pippen's Bulls, and Magic/Kareem's Lakers in the playoffs. Got cheated out of a 3-peat in the 1988 Finals on a phantom foul call in gm 6. Would've been easier to just say you don't like them or don't know ball.

[@fadercreek]

​@@na_kfacts

[@derekjones4484]

We was bad for business everybody tuning in to see dunks and three-pointers we ain't going for none of that shit ....😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@chrisuncleahmad789]

Nobody tuned in to see brickfests

[@elbowgang9715]

Lol, now what's the excuse? Viewership is down across the board

[@fobinc]

Gets me nostalgic listening to players talk defensive fundamentals

[@dougvuillemot8670]

Pistons spurs is what real basketball fans want. The crap we got now is what the populace must like. Scoring

[@jayyarbrough9902]

Commercialism goes too far too fast all the time. But it took awhile for the NBA to become softer than FIBA.

[@LordofLaughs]

Amen to that Pistons/Spurs series. That was solid and responsible basketball.

[@NathanielEllison-pt6si]

Commercialism is Caucasians culture!?

[@chrisuncleahmad789]

⁠​⁠@@LordofLaughsThat was the worst 7 game series I ever saw. Stopped watching basketball until 2011 after that. There was nothing solid or responsible about terrible offense. It soured me on the NBA for years.

[@chrisuncleahmad789]

Yeah right. I stopped watching basketball for years BECAUSE of Pistons/Spurs. Apparently “real basketball fans” want a game 7 that’s first to 80 wins? That was not great defense, it was terrible offense Game 7 of that Finals was tied 57-57 after 3 quarters!

[@bizonc]

I kind of miss those Piston teams in that era.

[@allenparedes6132]

Every true basketball fan enjoyed the Pistons. The Disney’s NBA panders to children which is why they had remove defense. The NBA is hard to watch now.

[@chrisuncleahmad789]

Not this true basketball fan. Those Pistons turned the beautiful gane into an unwatchable rugby scrum. After that 7 game brickfest vs the Spurs, I stopped watching NBA for a long time

[@whosyapopps]

All facts .... they definitely changed the rules the nba been getting more n more watery every since 😂😂😂

[@sportsgamer2342]

Agreed, NFL become the same with its soft bs and no defense

[@Mech-cp8nr]

It's entertainment and it's a business. The fact that it's a sport is meaningless

[@whosyapopps]

@@Mech-cp8nr right lmao

[@chrisuncleahmad789]

They HAD to change the rules. 2003-04 NBA was straight up unwatchable

[@whosyapopps]

@@chrisuncleahmad789 naw this 💩now is unwatchable I have to gamble on this bs jus to b able to watch

[@perryellis1423]

Sports illustrated had a cover with that pistons team with the title. The best starting 5 in basketball. Billups, Hamilton, Wallace, Wallace, And Prince

[@cfnation8254]

That same magazine in the detailed article read: “they are the most solid team in the NBA”

[@FromMemphisToYou]

They dominated the Lakers by paying equal attention to the role players as they did Kobe and Shaq. Guarding em head up was most definitely the reason they won so convincingly

[@jonnyblayze5149]

Or because bryant and o neil werent doing their thing at this point.

[@sauldula]

Nah Shaq averaged like 36 and 15 or something crazy, the no doubling didnt let horry and fox get open 3s. Also rip and kobe had a little philly rivalry that got kobe out of the team game ​@jonnyblayze5149

[@jonnyblayze5149]

@@sauldula who told you that stupi d s#it he averaged 26 and 10. So like i said he wasnt doing his thing🤨

[@JonDowd]

Rip ended up being a nasty perimeter defender in Detroit

[@jamesonedwardsii4943]

Never stop making stuff up 😭😭😭 Rip was a cone he just funneled players towards the guys that played defense.

[@JonDowd]

@@jamesonedwardsii4943 look at his playoff game log when they were making runs around ‘04. Plenty of games with 4 steals.. he was a serviceable perimeter defender idk what there is to argue

[@jamesonedwardsii4943]

@@JonDowd I don’t need to look up anything Rip was one of my favorite players all time still remains top 10. I watched him drop 51 on the Knicks In Person. I was born in NY and lived in Michigan for part of youth so those are my two teams. Rip wasn’t a good defender. These dudes always try to rewrite history. Rip his out and when he got targeted he funneled guys to Ben Wallace and Prince. It’s not that hard to understand. He was still getting beat every game. Rips best defense was making guys guard him….. he was like the mid range “Steph curry” where he was always moving except he moved even more than Steph. Steals aren’t an indicator of one on one defense either AI got many steals doesn’t make him a good defender he admit himself he couldn’t guard and so had Rip.

[@JonDowd]

@@jamesonedwardsii4943 not “rewriting” history I came with stats from the playoffs.. don’t remember a time when Rip was a liability on those Pistons teams that were consistently giving up 75-80 points.. “his best defense was making guys guard him” doesn’t make any sense. He might’ve been a high volume shooter yes… but that does not make him a bad defender..he was relentless in the playoffs on defense. Trippin honestly.

[@jamesonedwardsii4943]

@@JonDowd it made perfect sense you just aren’t that bright. Idc to argue. Allen Iverson was the greatest defender of all time since he recorded 10 steals in a playoff game and multiple 5-8 steal games. I’m just using your logic it’s not like he had Dikembe, MccKie and Snow who were all defensive specialists or anything… trippin honestly ✌️

[@MrRoddiggler]

Rasheed has a great basketball mind. I'd like to see him coach in the league but he might me burning bridges with his talk about the refs and David Stern.

[@Mech-cp8nr]

Who cares, it's good for us to have a guy like this reveal all the bs

[@fred_g7802]

He'd lead the league in techs as a coach 😂

[@huntertruth1139]

Always a fan of Rasheed, never understood why he always "seemed to" have friction with the refs and had a tendency to get fouled out and T'd. Bigger fan now than ever! He was and is a straight baller,

[@zakiyhoward2622]

Rasheed was dope! I loved him in Portland because his post game there was devastating with that high release in the middle of the lane at 6’11. You couldn’t stop it.

[@nfrancis11]

I do remember this. Those pistons were bad for NBA business. Every time they aggressively trapped a player, the officials blew the whistle. The league definitely put LeBron James over at the expense of the pistons.

[@tronwilliams8781]

That's when the Lakers and Spurs were winning.

[@jey4908]

lebron james bad

[@vlada]

There was a lot of rules changed every year in those days but 2003 changed the game completely. NBA is way softer than FIBA now.

[@Cakebattered]

That's why team USA struggles in FIBA. That's why the idea that current players are "More skilled" than older players is nonsense.

[@na_k]

​​@@CakebatteredNo, the world has improved drastically since 1992. Wasn't no Giannis's, Luka's, or Jokic's playing outside the USA back then, lol. Also, players are more skilled now, that's not even a question. Barkley and Malone are better all-time, but a player like Jaren Jackson Jr. does more than they could ever dream of. Even soft Karl Anthony Town is more skilled than them. More skilled doesn't mean better.

[@suiken3149]

@@na_k Jack of all trades =/= more skilled. Most players today barely have any go-to moves and relies on chucking step-back threes. Both Malone and Barkley are very good post-up players with very good mid-range shooting. Most bigs today refuse to play in the post and wants to be guards instead.

[@davidmilton5887]

​​@@na_k Uh,Luka and Jokic wouldn't be putting up the numbers they are now under the old rules. Both are slow and would have trouble getting their shots off. Physical defense would affect both of their games in a negative way. Vlade Divac and Toni Kukoc would've put up the same type of numbers,if the NBA played this style back then.

[@davidmilton5887]

​@@suiken3149 Blame Coach K. Duke ran that 4 out 1 in offense and Coach K did the same for Team USA for years. The concept spread from there. Now,everybody runs it to some degree. The problem is,there is no weak side action going on.Players are simply waiting on the wing and in the corner. Looks like pick up ball at the park. Coaches rarely call plays anymore,it's just get it and go.

[@punaforager]

That was so sick when sheed went to Detroit.

[@lemarbanks125]

If you know you know. Steph Curry is Rip Hamilton 2.0 Richard Hamilton offense was his defense. You're tired on offense because you have to chase him around the entire game.

[@Pimping9167]

Their kind of on the opposite end of the same coin 😂

[@boombenjamin92]

They could've been 1 of the biggest dynasties of all 2000s. If they kept Ben, Chauncey, and Sheed all the way to 2010 that Pistons team would have 3 to 4 rings. They already went to 2004 and 2005 finals. Got beat by Miami in 2006 then missed the finals because got beat by LeBron from missing Ben Wallace defense to block the lane for LeBron and Ilgauskas. It would've either been Pistons or Celtics the rest of the 2000s. My guy Kobe would probably only got 1 ring in either 2009 or 2010.

[@russiancardboardarmor5976]

Yeah I don’t think so but good try

[@Gov.2066]

When young LeBron hit the scene it was over for my pistons ..He destroyed them scoring a crazy number of points in a quarter...

[@Txjumpman]

@@Gov.2066LeBron didn’t get past the Pistons until Ben left.

[@Gov.2066]

@@Txjumpman That wasn't the question though...What Bron did scoring like 25 points in a row and the last 29 out of 31 points against the pistons...Say what you will but that day he snatched our pistons souls

[@holdthetruthhostage]

SHEED No Lie

[@DrD313]

The Pistons were the ultimate team. No superstar, selfless defense, great coaching, and the league changes the rules to stop them.

[@originalrobmarley]

NBA unwatchable

[@jaybrick8973]

Facts

[@charlesjohnson536]

NOBODY WANTED TO SEE NBA 🏀 SCORES THAT WERE 66-61 .. SPURS-LAKERS 72-71 ..

[@Bigedub101]

That was a playoff too where Duncan hit that shot with .4 left then Fisher hit game winner and score like 74-73

[@reggiereg1785]

Why was the NBA rating higher then, than today then ?

[@jonathanpeters5027]

Speak for yourself. We loved it.

[@davidmilton5887]

Ratings weren't a problem then,but they are now. Hmm.

[@selanryn5849]

@@reggiereg1785 You might want to check the 05 finals ratings. They were awful.

[@perryellis1423]

That pistons team was definitely a Larry Brown type of team

[@86wasdayr2]

Real basketball!!!!!! Long gone.🤦🏾‍♂️

[@zjones3853]

Fr tho that shit hard to watch

[@chrisuncleahmad789]

That was not real basketball. It was wrestling disguised as basketball

[@BigMac785]

Idk. The NBA allowed illegal defence (zone defence) because Shaq led Lakers dominated 2000-2002. The East was so bad during that time, the Western Conference Finals were considered the real NBA finals. Larry Brown dumbed and slowed the game down with the Pistons.

[@chrisuncleahmad789]

The West was overrated. Lakers/Spurs had no competition. The only “Real NBA Finals” was LA/San Antonio. Nobody took Sacramento seriously

[@hitek9too255]

@@chrisuncleahmad789And you forgot the Trailblazers.

[@pauljohnson2590]

Very high level basketball

[@cwagsr7189]

BEST 5 ALIVE! DEEEEEEETROIT BASKETBAAAAAAL!!!! BLUE YOUR MY BOY!

[@kobebryant6576]

Nowhere near the best 5 alive. I can think of 20 teams that had a better starting 5 than them.

[@cwagsr7189]

@kobebryant6576 I would put that 5 on the floor against any team in any Era, and the Goin to work Pistons would handle business. The same with the BAD BOY PISTONS

[@kobebryant6576]

@@cwagsr7189 86, Celtics, 96 Bulls, 87, Lakers, 01 Lakers, 95, Rockets, 13 Heat, 08 Celtics, 92 Bulls, 17, Warriors, 18 Warriors

[@kobebryant6576]

⁠@@cwagsr718986, Celtics, 87 Lakers, 88 Pistons, 89 Pistons, 91, Bulls, 92 Bulls, 94, Rockets, 95 Rockets, 96, Bulls, 99 Spurs, 2000 Lakers, 01 Lakers, 03 Spurs, 06 Heat, 08 Celtics, 13, heat, 17, Warriors, 18, Warriors

[@kobebryant6576]

Why are they deleting my comments?

[@mickmuffin4345]

They did the same when Detroit won in the late 80's to allow MJ to dominate....he couldn't play physical basketball.

[@xl8751]

The 90s knicks were definitely physical… The bulls as whole got better. Scottie and grant were really good by the time they beat the pistons.

[@mickmuffin4345]

@@xl8751 they literally added a third official to call weak fouls and they didn't go from getting swept two years in a row and beat 4-1 the next year to suddenly sweeping Detroit on their fucking own merit....gtfoh.

[@hitek9too255]

@@xl8751Knicks were a watered down, vastly inferior, less talented knock off version of the Bad Boy Pistons. Overrated.

[@xl8751]

@@hitek9too255 The pistons were an all time championship team and of course better than Knicks. but they were also the only team maiming dudes to that degree consistently; the other 80s teams were physical but not like that and not different than the 90s. The Knicks and pacers had people like Charles Oakley, Anthony mason, and the Davis boys who definitely intimidated and fought people and other teams had players like that. The original poster was making it like the league completely crippled defense to aid Jordan in beating the pistons which is just untrue. And he was taking those hits from the pistons and still dunking on them and scoring. The bulls were just more talented and athletic by 91.

[@blikketty77]

Hmm, Spurs beat the Nets in 2003, Pistons in 05, and Cavs in 07. Sure seems like the rule changes didn't bother them... cough cough.....

[@jarrodmurray6424]

That’s when they changed the rules after Lebron got swept

[@Progressive.G]

Rasheed is 100000% correct!!!!

[@logicalmalethink4925]

That was a terrible time in the nba.

[@dtrainbitches]

Because you were 2

[@nobleheru1985]

Miss real b ball

[@Ben-kw8nb]

Which is why the NBA sucks now!!!

[@JP-fq2qj]

We loved Sheed in Detroit

[@TheHomeman]

RIP took a charge, knee to toe chest, sat out a play or 2 then back k

[@MikieH-hr3vi]

Awesome assessment....spot on...😊 a to z ...

[@jayjefferson2584]

Dude that’s the host look like iman shumpert and Dj akademiks had a kid

[@imhong28]

Correction: The NBA changed the rules because the Pistons and Spurs were too good after the 2005 NBA Finals.

[@likenem]

No. After the Pistons beat the Lakers Mark Cuban made a complaint to the NBA and the league got rid of hand checking

[@kobebryant6576]

@@likenemwrong! The rules were changed in the 05-06 season, which is after the Spurs beat the Pistons. The same year Kobe scored 81.

[@likenem]

@@kobebryant6576 please Google 04-05 hand checking rule

[@selanryn5849]

@@kobebryant6576 Google says 2004. Got a source?

[@georgiosgrigoriadis6200]

The 2005 NBA finals are underrated because of low scoring. Personally, i loved them. Two well coaached teams, which played team basketball and great defense. Much much better than today's trash

[@Arnold-qs6cp]

Sheed😂 I miss you outhere😅😅😅

[@marxtheidoloftheidle5591]

I miss REAL NBA basketball. The current product is video game 🗑️

[@chrisuncleahmad789]

They had to make the rule changes. Yeah I said it. 2003-04 was the lamest NBA season ever. Too many brickfests disguised as “great defense”

[@n.r6094]

And now most of us wants to see team like Rasheed Pistons

[@boomshakalaka8567]

More like fans weren't interested in watching games that end with a score of 70-68. Nobody was tuning into a Pistons/Spurs FInals let's be honest.

[@selanryn5849]

Seriously. Anyone who thinks the NBA was rigged back then hasn't seen how hideous the ratings were for all those Spurs series. No way the league wanted them in that many finals. 💀

[@asamanthinkethsoishe5647]

BASKETBALL IS 5 AGAINST 5, AND THAT TEAM STOPPED YOU AND SCORED , ITS CALLED ONE STOP THEN ONE BASKET AND IT'S REPATED ALL GAME LONG, THAT'S WINNING BASKETBALL.

[@jaybrick8973]

We was so close to winning another title 😢

[@keonsmith9164]

Ask about when we he gone be on 2k

[@michaeln3044]

I think people remember way more fondly now then they did then. It was ugly damn basketball. I loved watching Ben and my UConn guy Rip but it was pretty hideous.

[@Pimping9167]

It’s was beautiful to see

[@pauljohnson2590]

That was cold👍

[@thomasfloyd3146]

Us detroiters loved the defense

[@ryanx2406]

They embarrassed Kobe which was the prototype for the entertainment aspect of hoop, it's funny but because of this specific team and the rule changes it allowed Steve nash to win MVP over Kobe 😂😂😂so in a sense the pistons got 'em twice maybe three times

[@dereksigler4572]

Ball don't lie

[@shakiid7]

hey man this co host did the interviews for gil’s arena shootout constructive criticism: go to acting lessons ASAP brother roasting u: “back to the desk…😐” awkward ass interviewer

[@BadBob18]

Big nasty was my dog!

[@r.e.a.lbrand48214]

SALUTE @rasheedwallace From the whole DETROIT… you repped us very well💯💯💪🏾🏆

[@Spursfaninthe313]

The spurs vs pistons was the finals the nba decided never again lol

[@CoreySmiley-b7y]

Man up ! You might not win them all , but you have to keep trying

[@jonnyblayze5149]

All that he talking but i didnt hear no thanks to Larry Brown

[@RobertoCruz61588]

Stern 🙏🏻RIP🕊 was hatin💯

[@anubis3963]

The nba change the rules so kobe and jordan can win the nba change the rules to stop wilt from winning and y'all clowns call Jordan the goat smh

[@CedtheActor]

This is an incomplete asinine take and reason clowns like nick wright and shannon trying to say bron in goat convo past kobe and kareem even tho he's not .... they changed the some rules bcuz of wilt true but wilt still kept losing to Mr. Russell and other ppl so clearly hes not the goat.... when it comes to goat shit getting to the ship is not a mf'n prize winning it is... stop with that soft shit🤦‍♂️😂

[@Trevor_Schindler]

I agree with you but no question, Jordan is 🐐. Yesterday, today, tomorrow. Sorry man 🤷

[@bendover3979]

The only rule in basketball being changed over 1 individual was for Lew Alcindor. Stop reaching!!

[@likenem]

While they added the Flagrant for Jordan, they changed the rules on hand checking in 94 because Jordan retired. Perimeter play stagnated in his absence and the NBA wanted to increase ratings. I believe when he came back the refs let defenders hand check him.

[@jamesonedwardsii4943]

They’ve literally changed the rules so people today can travel, carry and make football moves on the court. So it balances out. 😭😭😭 Only rule they changed for Jordan was dudes couldn’t take him out of the air without being penalized….. That was a good change regardless of what weirdos like you think

[@glebarmstrong3046]

tthnx

[@philliplyn2692]

🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲

[@justinhall6421]

Pistons with Sheed was my favorite team in that era. When NBA was enjoyable to watch.

[@de_lontekk8019]

Even if they didn’t change the rules wade or lebron was going to run through them, Big Ben or no Big Ben

[@southernflavamaker]

Shit the Celtics would have? I'm just saying.....

[@kobebryant6576]

@@southernflavamakerboth teams would have ran through them.

[@kingdoscuarto]

I don’t think so.. having zone defense and hand checking is what made it tough to get to the rim or pull up for a midrange..

[@kobebryant6576]

@@kingdoscuarto Dallas played a 2/3 zone vs the Heat, and he averaged 35 against them, and got the finals MVP. Wade was a monster!

[@southernflavamaker]

@@kingdoscuarto man I watched playoff games from 90-94 that hand check shit is overrated...New York vs Chicago The Knicks only shooter on the court was John Starks... Harper, Smith, Oakley or Ewing couldn't shoot shit, garbage axx 90's

[@momame8258]

Wade cooked yall

[@fadercreek]

he was on a mission that year

[@momame8258]

@@fadercreek to be able to shoot 60% in the series against this Pistons defense is wild

[@fadercreek]

@@momame8258 facts and people use to say the refs were on his side which was bs

[@momame8258]

@@fadercreekdropping these numbers on Detroit should let people know that Dallas defense will be food to him lol

[@kobebryant6576]

If Wade didn’t get hurt in 05 the heat would’ve beat them twice. The Pistons are not an all time great team.

[@shin-te1xr]

lmfao no they changed it becaue kobe and shaq 3 peated.

[@davidmilton5887]

What rule did they because of Kobe and Shaq ?

[@berlingray8058]

The NBA didn’t change the rules so it could easier to beat them, they changed the rules bc it’s basketball not boxing (more the 88/89/90 Pistons) were purposely trying to hurt the opposing teams top scorers, prime example Michael Jordan. They couldn’t play him straight up or double team him bc he had an answer for that 95% of the time so they could only physically beat on him to slow him down.

[@geraldthomas8241]

Waaaaaaah!🤣😂🤣

[@wolvmarine313]

You'd be easy to beat in a 1 on 1.

[@Keepitpush99]

That's wild man. In '04 the Pistons were just tougher than everyone

[@8CSKN8]

What does the 90s Pistons have to do with Sheed's Pistons?

[@jayyarbrough9902]

Jordan never got stitches in they rivalry. Isiah did. He got bloodied, lumped up, all kinds of treatment that Jordan didn't get. His whole career. But he NEVER cried. In comparison, yall sound like mean girls.