The NBA IF Michael Jordan Never Existed...

[@jonnyarnett]

Who stands out without Jordan around?

[@Kawhiburnergaming]

Lebron

[@dribblestyles-1912]

Kobe but Kobe would not exist because Jordan inspired him so probably one of the players in the 90s

[@vicepresidentmikepence889]

Lebron is the goat..PLAIN AND SIMPLE

[@fictionrumble]

no jordan/lebron debate

[@matthewluk820]

I think Kobe with Lebron in a close second.

[@noname.0624]

The one dislike is mj who took the whole concept of this vid personal

[@jonnyarnett]

He's about to drop 50 on me, I know it....

[@pickzkickz]

11 and counting.

[@subymanvince]

😂💀

[@Mgblz]

@@pickzkickz 11 mjs took it personal

[@JerikoThomas]

@@pickzkickz List of MJ: Magic Johnson Michael Jordan Michael Jackson Mark Jackson Michael B. Jordan And counting... ....

[@bigboienis8165]

Johnny is always so respectful to all teams, he never predicted a sweep

[@jknumber5138]

If MJ couldn't do it(it can't be done)

[@randyquench8731]

@@jknumber5138 well LeBron got swept TWICE in the finals, something MJ never achieved :kappa:

[@lordsafro]

@@randyquench8731 I ain’t even a bron fan, but wtf you bringing up bron for? 🤨we not even talking bout him.

[@jesmondlagado7475]

@@lordsafro Cause he got swept

[@joshuachang5210]

Teams are more even split in terms of star power than nowadays. You can tell that from how Jordan only had one finals series that ends in 5 games.

[@217ShowOffBoii]

Jordan impacted the defensive side as well. Mark Eaton would've won back-to-back DPOY (1988 & 1989) for a total of 3 in 5 years and tied Dwight Howard for 2nd most all-time behind Dikembe and Ben Wallace. Alvin Robertson would've won a total of 4 steals titles in a 6-year span and 2nd most in history behind Chris Paul with 6.

[@keres9580]

That would affect other players stats so whatever

[@dantedlane2]

Chris paul hasn't gotten a ring at all not even close look at his playoff records, he doesnt belong in a conversation

[@keres9580]

@@dantedlane2 that is true

[@hughmungus1534]

@@dantedlane2 In the finals my guy

[@nicotinecruz]

Mark eaton is underrated

[@khentsaludo5162]

Jordan’s 10 scoring titles in a defensive minded era is really out of this world!

[@TrollinThru]

The most defensive era was the second three peat era, not before. That's why Jordan had to develop the fadeaway. I would say from 96'-04 is the most defensive era ever.

[@erikhunana2006]

Jordan came, saw and destroyed dozens of NBA legacys. He's the GOAT.

[@johnjones528]

Yeah, imagine that Magic Johnson probably becomes the GOAT without MJ's impact. 6 rings, 4 finals MVPs, 4 regular season MVPs. That's incredible!

[@_M....]

not destroyed, but greatly impacted.

[@CARBONHAWK1]

The void that MJ would leave is a testament to his greatness, man was literally a black hole for teams

[@charlesbranscomb8493]

That's funny because them same people get talked about as legends also who's NBA legacy did he destroy that's a 80s star or 90s star besides Patrick Ewing

[@parkermudsen1063]

@@charlesbranscomb8493Barkley, Reggie, GP, Stockton, Malone, Robinson, Drexler, Kemp, Alonzo, Dikembe

[@elmardaghbayli3699]

"It's amazing how significant history changes when subtracting one great player" -Well yeah no wonder they call him the G.O.A.T

[@tyemichielsen8051]

@Gibran Camus not Kobe rest of the list is okay, the only problem I see is Shaq loses maybe 1 ring

[@kidtristan4073]

But he’s not tho😂

[@kidtristan4073]

@@tyemichielsen8051 why not Kobe?😂

[@elmardaghbayli3699]

@@kidtristan4073 Well it's your opinion, but the majority including me thinks that he is the G.O.A.T. At least, until LeBron wins 2 more rings, an MVP and 2 more FMVPs

[@tyemichielsen8051]

@@kidtristan4073 because in his prime Kobe won 2 scoring titles 1 mvp and 2 titles that wouldn’t make a huge difference that’s equal to Hakeem so why isn’t he on here?

[@HaloChief62]

I'm a simple man. I see Jonny Arnett, I watch.

[@nogoat23]

Some of those finals matchups are really interesting.

[@ktapreswreckd921v9]

Right. Especially that matchup between the Orlando Magic and Seattle Supersonics.

[@TyTimeIsAwesome]

So happy for Chuck in this time line. Young people don't realize how much of a monster he was in his prime cause he never won a ring.

[@joshhouston3443]

Magic and SuperSonics would’ve been a killer finals

[@Rambo20244]

definitely would of been a great match up but I think that sonics team would of worn them out defensively

[@joshhouston3443]

@@Rambo20244 Would definitely be a tight close game series. 7'1 Shaq and 6'7 Penny vs 6'10 Kemp and 6'4 Payton

[@Rambo20244]

@@joshhouston3443 nah the only team that could of stopped the sonics were the bulls the magics probably would of won one or two games that's it

[@lilvegas2404]

Imagine if Penny wins one that early and the Nike media pushes him to the moon and he doesn’t get hurt. I know he was good in a small market like Orlando but man he would have been the face of the league. Regardless of Iverson or Kobe coming in cause they were looking for Jordan’s replacement. Penny was easily the guy! People still wear Penny’s is all you need to know about his popularity.

[@DavidFigarland]

mj really the reason why your favorite 90s basketball hero never won a ring

[@JKTProductionzIncNCo]

@Wil Paul I mean by that logic Bulls fans can claim the refs baled out the Knicks in 1994 playoffs.

[@Amick44]

​@Wil Paul it also would have helped if the Knicks had some offense outside of Ewing. Starks tried, but he was decent offensively at best.

[@andrejmanev1850]

Great Video as always. One of the most underrated KZbin channels for sure. Keep up the good work, sir.

[@jonnyarnett]

Thank you! I appreciate you watching :) Keeps the channel going

[@andrejmanev1850]

@@jonnyarnett Watching? I haven't missed a single video, and I've enjoyed every single one of them :)

[@jaym8988]

The most impressive thing I got from this video is Karl Malone averaging 31, 29, 28, and 27 points exactly for four seasons... straight!

[@jonnyarnett]

Right? I look at and talk about stats all the time, and I don't think I've ever seen that elsewhere. lol

[@ktapreswreckd921v9]

@@jonnyarnett Nevertheless, remember that Malone played with John Stockton who helped Malone accumulate all those points. Barkley was a much better and complete scorer.

[@jaym8988]

@@ktapreswreckd921v9 We're talking about his points per game was 31.0, 29.0, 28.0, and 27.0. Not something like 31.2, 29.7, 28.9, and 27.1.

[@GentM2015]

@@ktapreswreckd921v9 Lol that is such bullshit. Everytime someone talks about greatest PGs people say Stockton isn't high because Karl Malone helped him get those assists, and vice versa for Malone's points. Nah, Malone is absolutely way better than Charles on every single front except rebounding. Barkley does literally nothing else better, not even close.

[@simple45679]

@@ktapreswreckd921v9 bruh are you stupid? They're talking about how Malone's average was descending by exactly 1 and are basically whole numbers. It's not about how high they were.

[@notthatrisk]

Isn't that great that you had different match up in the finals for each year in the 90's, that's just show you how well rounded the league was

[@sparda198]

NBA, Jordan, Johnny Arnett... Like👍

[@MindseyeFilm]

Same- new fav sub

[@369pendulum]

Kobe would've been a completely different player...

[@jonnyarnett]

Its funny to think about Kobe modeling his game after Magic instead of Jordan, and a reality where Kobe's just passing the ball all game. lol

[@1977TA]

Maybe Kobe does not become a basketball player without Jordan around. He was a very talented kid and most likely would have become a hip hop artist. He could dance and I'm sure he would have been a big star.

[@drehitemup9904]

Nah he would just model his game after David Thompson and dr j

[@GoGetYourShinebox]

@@1977TA Might have even gone into football/ soccer

[@alexhennigh5242]

@@GoGetYourShinebox Seeing as he spent extensive time in Italy I could see him being a pro soccer player.

[@antonioguglielmetti2661]

One thing to factor in. The opponents that MJ beat in the second round were very good in 1991 and 1992

[@Rodanguirus]

In the 1991 playoffs, Detroit dropped Boston, the 2-seed in the East who had 56 wins and had Bird, McHale, and Parrish all playing, if not at their peaks, in All-Star form. It's not crazy to imagine a Jordan-less scenario where Philly with prime Barkley takes out the Bad Boys, but I don't think it's the most likely outcome.

[@antonioguglielmetti2661]

@@RodanguirusI'm a die hard pistons man but the pistons were a joke in 1991. After tearing up the league at the start of the season, finished the regular season going 17-19 due to injuries and the Celtics were the 2 seed in the same scenario as the pistons with injuries but a slightly better record to float on. Isaiah Thomas missed a third of that series vs the Celtics and they still won in 6. That's how broken the Celtics were. It showed against Chicago when it was clear that there was no hope (especially with the reffing but notwithstanding they wouldn't have completely overturned the series). Philadelphia on the other hand actually pushed Chicago to a 5th game and had been relatively even with Detroit actually going 5-3 with ex piston Rick mahorn on top of it.

[@virgoblue7865]

Jonny Arnett, you definitely broke EVERYTHING DOWN IN A PERSPECTIVE WAY OF WHAT IF CONVERSATION IN REGARDS OF MIKE'S EXISTENCE AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE BEST VID YOU POSTED, GREAT JOB 👍🏽🔥👑

[@ghaile7919]

This is why Michael Jeffrey Jordan is the GOAT, no one had ever this good and dominant as he was.

[@Forever_Soul]

Without Bird, there will be no NBA. Larry Bird is the GOAT.

[@kasperrieberg3495]

@@Forever_Soul Even Larry would tell you he wasnt on Michaels level

[@racewiththefalcons1]

I loved Clyde Drexler when I was younger, and he was the player I'd pretend to be when shooting hoops in my driveway.

[@1977TA]

As much as I love Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls, I must admit that the league would have been a bit more interesting if these what-if scenarios had occurred. People would have been talking about how awesome the 90s were because so many different good teams were winning the finals every year. I like all of the NBA Finals winners picks with one exception. I think the Bad Boys would have taken the title in 1991 capping their championship run with a 3-peat. To be honest Jordan was simply too damn good for the NBA. He belonged in another much more difficult league with players of equal skill level. If you look at Jordan's effect on the NBA from this perspective you realize he actually made the game less interesting because the same team won the championship title every time. The only exceptions being the 93-94 and 94-95 seasons. It's criminal that John Stockton and Karl Malone did not win a title. Of all the teams that were denied with Jordan around the Utah Jazz are the most heartbreaking. Stockton and Malone were likely the best dynamic duo the game has ever seen. With that said, I am thankful I was alive to see Jordan dominate the league. He was to basketball what Babe Ruth was to baseball. Greats like these don't come around often and perhaps Jordan will be last. Reading about him in history books is not the same as being alive in the time he lived and played.

[@JKTProductionzIncNCo]

Yes and no. Without Jordan the league wouldn't have had the kind of mega star needed to blow up the league internationally. No player that has come after his posses the same athletic ability, nor the playmaking ability to do what he did. I can understand from a basketball purist view point, that Jordan was so good he made it seem like 1 vs 5 and he still comes out on top. But I mean the same thing could have been said about the Celtics in the 60s. Or the Lakers of the 80s. Going to 8 finals in 10 years. The Celtics went to 5 finals in 10 years. And both of these teams were stacked. They always had equal or more amount of talented players than the 1997 Bulls. Which is saying a lot. Since Jordan was able to 3 peat in a tougher conference. While the Lakers failed to do so. With having more talent on their roster and in the weaker conference at the time. And even for the Celtics & Pistons despite having more talent overall failed to do a 3 peat. With the Celtics coming close in 1985. Also great teams like the Bucks & Cavs of the 80s never made it to the finals. All of these teams at one point or another had similar level of talent on their roster as the various Bulls teams of the 90s. Yet failed to do what the Bulls did. It would have been interesting to see MJ play between 1954 to 1967 or 1954 to 1969 instead.

[@_M....]

reality says different/. in the current era with all these stat padders, 3 jackers and nobody actually dominating the title or mvp or anything year after year, the ratings are in the toilet compared to the years MJ dominated the league. and the game is reaching far wider today, but less people consensus like the NBA today compared to the 90's.

[@shaft9000]

It's oh-so-speculative. You can make a similar case (minus the international appeal) for Bill Russell, perhaps an even a more dramatic one: If he had not played for the Celtics, the entire history of the league thereafter would have been very different. The Baylor+West Lakers 'would have' gotten a title or three - the Knicks, Bucks and/or Sixers 'would have' gotten one or more themselves...who knows? Jordan transcended sports like no other player before or since - including players in ALL OTHER sports. Not everyone instantly comprehends what you mean when you say "he's the Tom Brady of x", or the "he's the Floyd Mayweather of x" - but _everyone knows what "he's the Michael Jordan of x" means._

[@lc9245]

I don’t think Jordan alone led to the domination but the combination of terrific support from Pippen, amazing organisation orchestrated by Jerry and of course Phil’s masterful management. The Bulls would probably still win at least a ring and make multiple finals without MJ. 90s NBA was still extremely entertaining despite the domination. Of course, the biggest difference to basketball to me would always be MJ’s off the court activities. His reputation and image propelled basketball beyond what most people can imagine. The West world asides, the rest of the world might not know LeBron, Curry or even Kobe, but they know the name MJ. I’ve always wondered without MJ, would players from Europe ever get the chance to come to the NBA due to their local league being neglected. MJ’s influence created sponsorships and viewerships for basketball in countries that sent their best to the NBA today. His on court impact can be argued to have equals, or even players who surpassed him before and after. However, his impact on basketball entirely has no equals.

[@davidschmidt1793]

@@lc9245 A Jordanless Bulls would not have been able to beat any of the teams from the West that made the finals during those times. In the East,the discussion is interesting. I think the only year they would have any chance would be in 1991. In 1992 the Knicks and Cavs were too strong, in 1993 the Knicks was the best in the East(imho), in 1996 the Magic was too strong, in 97 the Knicks and Heat were very strong and the 1998 Pacers is the best team in franchise history in my opinion. Of course, I'm assuming the Bulls would have the exact same players,playing exactly the same way they did, but minus Jordan. I never saw Pippen as THAT guy and without another All star help other than Pippen, I don't see that Bulls winning a ring. Replace Jordan for a Star however, and that would have been interesting to see. It's just my opinion though,too many variables.

[@asiaticman3070]

No one ate when jordan reached his prime anybody

[@alexfarias5156]

1995 Hakeem Olajuwon, Clyde Drexler and the Rockets. MJs prime is since the 1986-87 season so yes Magic Johnson and Isiah Thomas ate during MJs prime. So Hakeem Olajuwon, Isiah Thomas and Magic Johnson ate during Jordan's prime.

[@asiaticman3070]

@@alexfarias5156 hold up no sir Jordan’s prime was from 90 to 98 come on now

[@animeguitarguy]

Jordan himself was basically in his prime his whole career lol. He just needed his team to step up to win it all

[@asiaticman3070]

@@animeguitarguy I think he came into his fullness as a player in 1990 as far as using his team properly and u right him having better teammates

[@jdxn3364]

@@asiaticman3070 his physical prime was deffo in the 80s the way he leapt through the air was magical

[@katsutama]

Without MJ there will be no NBA fans outside of the USA and so many kids, teenagers and adults wouldn't know about the game and wouldn't start to play it. It's hard to believe for US citizens, but it's true. Thanks to MJ the game became global and millions of people who played and watched most of the time football (soccer) without a doubt after MJ phenomenon they gave basketball a try (myself and people around me included). Great Michael Jordan introduced NBA and basketball to the world.

[@suntansuperman26]

Jordan really was keeping awards from everyone.

[@jonathanwashington9199]

Jordan Was Also Known As An Ballhog Earlier In His Career Which Hampered Jordan's Reputation Phil Jackson Had To Make Jordan Use His Teammates More

[@ToyHunter-wc9dz]

With Jordan winning so many, the AP was looking for reasons NOT to give it to him, leading to other players, like Barkley in '93 getting MVP awards instead. He probably should've had a few more, but the voters were getting Jordan fatigue on behalf of fans outside Chicago.

[@Amick44]

​@@ToyHunter-wc9dz I may be getting off topic a bit here, but I feel the same way about Moses. He won three MVPs, I feel it easily could have been five.

[@diegovidal2214]

this was one of the greatest nba videos johnny really creates magic I really appreciate you my guy keep putting in the work

[@thesavageavenger4477]

Love this channel bruh. Great in depth commentary, astute analysis, and detailed break downs that provide a lot if good information! Keep it up man!

[@theforgettables7793]

Oh man! Saw the title and I was instantly interested! :D

[@teejaye6226]

One of the best videos of any subject that I have ever viewed!!! Great, great ALL-TIME vid!!!!

[@acethegoat79]

Jonny, the more I watch your videos with your analysis and stats, the more I confirm that you are the man!!! I cqn see all your scenarios playing out!!! 👍🏾👍🏾

[@jtrc_16]

always love the bell in the intro man! love ur content more tho

[@michaelberenato911]

The human highlight reel is so forgotten such a great player

[@shakasalaam4450]

Been waiting for a vid from this channel for a minute.... Thankssss

[@jonnyarnett]

Sorry, this video took a WHILE. Shouldn't be as long of a wait for the next one

[@shakasalaam4450]

@@jonnyarnett It's cool, these videos are worth the wait

[@bofallhihaj4745]

The fact that you only have 88.000 subscribers is a crime! Great video as always keep on going! Best basketball KZbinr out there!👍

[@pablokorona]

I'm a jxmy highroller fan, but quickly becoming a Johnny fan.

[@timmaz24s]

This man MJ beat 7 60+ win in the 90s alone. Dammmm. 60 Knicks, 62 Suns, 60 Magic, 64 Sonics, 61 Heat, 64 Jazz, 62 Jazz

[@FringSpield87]

This is more professional than what Undisputed does on a daily basis; Good job Jonny!

[@Niqstory]

Tbh this was spot on great video

[@MoeJaxon]

I love this format! Cool video. I like the way you handled the different scenarios In championship possibilities .....

[@lostitinboundzz6080]

Awesome video I love your content and I’m a big sports fan myself

[@3631956406]

One of the best videos you have made.... Thanks!!!

[@samwunderlich6806]

I just was thinking about this topic Your the GOAT Jonny

[@jonnyarnett]

Look at your profile pic, Sam. YOU’RE the GOAT. Lol

[@samwunderlich6806]

@@jonnyarnett Lol Thanks for the reply made my day

[@nasirisanallaround6282]

It’s crazy that he was dominating in an era with so much monster players. Hakeem, Dominique,Bird, Magic, Shaq, Robinson, Ewing, Thomas, Drexler, Barkley etc..

[@de132]

The Seattle SuperSonics likely still exist if they win that title

[@PSUDarius2032]

I'd say people don't/didn't forget something like how good Charles Barkley played his MVP season, more like people weren't born yet or were too young to watch.

[@jasonc2467]

Hey Jonny, you should do a video analysis about the 2011 NBA fantasy Draft and rank who truly had the best team with their 1-10 picks, and what selections would be made today!

[@floydparr8006]

The only one that I would argue about with is 1992. The Knicks took the Bulls to 7 games in the East semis. Only one of two times during their championship runs that happened. I could see the Knicks in the Finals and possibly even winning.

[@cadecrusader]

Jonny, I love this video. You're one of the best nba youtubers. I always get excited whenever you post a new video even if I don't always agree all the time of what you said. Anyways, can do a video like this but it can be about like what if Bill Russell and celtics did not exist in the 60s? Keep it 💯 bro!

[@jonnyarnett]

Good idea! I'll write it down as a possibility. That would change the 60s even more than No-Jordan changes the 90s.

[@cadecrusader]

@@jonnyarnett exactly, a lot of people don't give credit to the Celtics dynasty. I'm not a fan of them but I recognize their importance to the early impact of nba history. Also I forgot to mention maybe you can do one about what if George Mikan and his Minneapolis Lakers dynasty teams did not exist either as they were first ones before Bill Russell's 60s Celtics teams. Although Mikan's teams might be hard to research because there weren't much information about their impact of the game in the 1950s as opposed to the 1960s.

[@JS-xu1so]

great nostalgia trip for older fans. the magic sonics series would have been fun as both teams had exciting young high flying players.

[@AX5Terminator]

Jordan is freaken Thanos with all 6 infinity stones: 1) Mind - Killer Mentality 2) Power - Explosive First Step 3) Reality - Control and Mastery of the Ball 4) Soul - Unmatched Artistry 5) Space - Created with his Amazing footwork 6) Time - Hang Time!

[@BallerBrain]

5) Space- Jam

[@yungeenkt]

I'm actually happy you made this video 💯

[@robson1012]

Pistons age was between 27-29 so I think those are prime years for basketball players (in my opinion even 30 something), bulls have become just better team and they were of course more hungry of winning :) MJ started his second three peat at 33 :) Great video like always :)

[@rollyvincoy3848]

Yeah, mj took away their feeling of invincibility which was huge. Without mj, we might be talking about how great the pistons were. Maybe even greater than Celtics and Lakers all time.

[@johnjones528]

We always talk about how Jordan's opponents got old, but we fail to remember what he did and how much older he was, spending 3 years in college before even touching an NBA basketball. He was older than many of the guys he took rings from, or he was just as old. Karl Malone, John Stockton, Patrick Ewing, Clyde Drexler and others were people that were older or as old as Jordan, that he prevented from getting rings.

[@shaft9000]

One thing for sure, the Pistons would have been cleaning the East's clock for at least a couple more years. And there's plenty one could speculate about what Barkley, Dominique, Ewing, Reggie or even a young Shaq might have achieved by the mid-90s.

[@pony999]

Great work. Enjoyed the video. Would also consider other teams Bulls beat in the playoffs and not only Conference Finals rivals. That might have been a minor change or none, but in this form seems a bit oversimplified. Wow, that '96 Magic vs Sonics would have been fun.

[@AniMalcolmTheLibetarianNerd]

Without Jordan, Scottie becomes a forgotten role player with good defense.

[@_M....]

yep

[@mattbartholomew4649]

Great topic love the channel keep up the good work!

[@Skarloc10]

Guys, can we boost this channel somehow? Y´all know he deserves more attention.

[@bruhnard3391]

Share it with people you think would enjoy this type of content I guess. But tbh I’m more happy that Jonny has a dedicated and loyal audience as opposed to being just another KZbinr hopping on trends with a huge sub count but with no real community. I agree that his content is top notch and that more people should appreciate it.

[@Noob_Guy2k]

Man your work is incredible

[@rodbod1564]

Alright before I watch I'm gonns say that bigs dominant the 90s Barkley, Malone, kemp, shaq, Robinson and Hakeem rack up the mvps and also pippen leads the bulls to several playoffs appearances but but never a conference finals and Allen Iverson revolutionizes the game as a guard leading a team to championship level instead of jordan with respect to isiah Thomas also i don't think shaq leaves the east (magic) because they win a title which costs kobe some of his championships and speaking of kobe he could possibly be an entirely different player with MJs influence After watching i really underestimated dominic wilikins scoring and the sheer amount of hofs jordan denied ssssshhhhheeesh

[@r-trippin5078]

All before Iverson was Iverson. He's in the 2000 to 2010 conversion. I also clearly remember the perception of Dominiqe Wilkins was he wasn't as efficient as the others guys at the time, he was known to be a little Westbrook ish but averaging 3 assists a game 6.7 rebounds 25 points. He was good. 30% three point line and only taking 2 you'd have to assume those are open looks in most cases. Only high volume guys take bad 3s or at least they look bad at times. But if at the end of the day you're 40% coach can't complain nor other players. However at 30% you'd look bad shooting those tough ones.

[@NoisqueVoaProduction]

I totally agree with that thread, just posted a comment about how I also think big men would dominate the NBA much more if it weren't for Michael. Really cool perspective

[@clix8100]

My man Johnny. Best channel to watch at 5am 🤘🏻 literally my morning cereal

[@sumitpverma]

This kinda helps MJ in the GOAT conversation bc he changes the NBA so much

[@mark..shark..]

There is not conversation some people are just blind

[@marvinjordan9987]

Super Video. Thanks Johnny Arnett. The people/idiots that left out 'The human highlight film' from the 50 greatest, would have no choice but make him part of it. Thank you

[@TheBamaPrinceable]

This is why Jordan is the GOAT. He BLOCKED fellow greats from rings and other accolades and his absence changes history drastically. Awesome breakdown!

[@hyendacraener1672]

I don’t know lebron closing in

[@TheBamaPrinceable]

@@hyendacraener1672 Nah. As great a player as he is, too many others have won during LeBron era. He didn't dominate like Jordan did against other very worthy players as the video points out.

[@kingdinodragonite3470]

@@hyendacraener1672 wrong. The suns. MJ threepeated with only one all star. Lebron can’t threepeat despite having two all stars every year since 2011(aside from 2019 where he got exposed that he did not develop Ingram in to a great player)

[@TheBamaPrinceable]

@@hyendacraener1672 Watch your blood pressure with all that salt.

[@bigtwainceogaryindiana2193]

This is a great video!! #23 Air Jordan all day!!

[@dariengarcianieves3554]

What do you think about the impact Jordan had in his own team? Probably Pippen's career would have changed. Lots of What Ifs here. But I like your approach

[@jonnyarnett]

So tough to say. From our sample of Pippen without Jordan, he was an all-around monster, but he wasn't suddenly a league leading scorer. Pippen just wasn't as skilled offensively as a handful of guys in the league at that time. Its worth noting that a lot of people don't think Pippen would have been the Scottie Pippen we know without Jordan. Unlike MJ, Pippen wasn't a star when he entered the league, and took some time to develop into one. A lot of people think his intense practice sessions matched up with Jordan helped develop Pippen's game, which kinda makes sense, considering how similar Jordan and Pippen are in terms of play style, physical intensity, defensively, etc. Assuming Pippen is the same player without MJ, I think he's a borderline top 5 player, but isn't winning any championships, unless he got more help than what the Bulls already had. If we're being honest, Pippen's lack of being an elite scorer and closer, kinda makes him an ideal 2nd option rather than a 1st.

[@allanhouston6759]

@@jonnyarnett Scotte Pippen will be in the Top 10. But not in the Top 5. *Hakeem Olajuwon, Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, David Robinson, Shaquille O"Neal, Patrick Ewing,* *Clyde Drexler.* In any case, all these players are better than Scotte Pippen.

[@jonnyarnett]

Well thats why I said borderline. Maybe 6-7 range. Also consider that its gonna change year to year, like how Shaq wasn't around until 92-93, and how Clyde and Barkley starting declining around the mid/late 90s.

[@allanhouston6759]

@@jonnyarnett Scotte Pippen was also in decline in the late 90s.

[@dariengarcianieves3554]

@@jonnyarnett I think it is actually a tough one. Judging Pippen's career in a Jordanless scenario implies that the Pippen we saw while Jordan was out was the outcome of Pippen trying to be the leader of a Chicago Bulls that already had a leader. But that Pippen also was molded to be the 2nd option. What about if he was brought and he developed into an actual number 1 option for the Bulls. A Bulls team that never had a prime Jordan? That's the reason I think this one is so interesting.

[@kingdomthinker9794]

Absolutely outstanding video Jonny.

[@T_1of1]

He’s back🔥🔥🔥

[@raybugz9275]

Magic vs Sonics in the 96 finals would be 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@kungfukeralite]

Liked as soon as I opened the video, always a banger from you mate.

[@sidharthsingh6558]

To me this video is just another testament to this man’s legacy...Single handedly dominated other greats.

[@TheFastBreakNBA2]

yo, this is a very intersting topic, I did it on my channel to, but for me ( I haven't watched the video just yet) But I would think the Cavs, Jazz, and Sonics all won chips, Karl Malone would have been so much better on the all-time list, with 2 chips in my what if, and a couple more MVPS, this is shows how many hearts Jordan crushed in the 90s

[@eternalboss1046]

lol at 90s Cavs winning a chip.

[@TheFastBreakNBA2]

@@eternalboss1046 You know they were really good, but Jordan crushed them so many times,

[@eternalboss1046]

@@TheFastBreakNBA2 so only Jordan crushed them? By your logic Jordan got crushed in the 80s plenty of times.

[@caininmilton8462]

this was very fun and interesting to Watch.thanks the Creat vid please keep em comin.

[@kvbvl7285]

MJ saved the NBA. Without him, there’s no Kobe, there’s no Lebron, there’s no basketball. MJ literally fueled a lot, if not a whole generation of aspiring basketball players.

[@travellfitzpatrick711]

LeBron doesn't play like MJ he is more or less a Magic Pippen hybrid.

[@kvbvl7285]

@@travellfitzpatrick711 u clearly didn’t read what I said. I’m talking about inspiration.

[@lenoncho3777]

​@@travellfitzpatrick711doesn't play like him, but that's the player he chases...he said so himself, so...

[@dlawson688]

Well done video. And very rare I totally agree with anyone on this type of topic. But you nailed it.

[@Stefanmiric]

if bird had that good of stats imagine how good jordans numbers were.

[@fintofn7701]

37pts per game

[@polzuy5004]

great video man keep up the good work i love your content

[@markjackson6431]

what if the ABA MVP was given to the best player

[@mariostephenson2528]

A lot thought, time and effort went in creating this video. Johnny keep putting out great content, your basketball I.Q is next level. I'm really a cricket fan so my NBA is not as vast, call me spectator but I love watching your videos.

[@shakasalaam4450]

I liked this vid before the intro was over

[@bruhnard3391]

His intro is goated. Probably my favorite KZbinrs intro ever, aside from John Doyle maybe.

[@shakasalaam4450]

@@bruhnard3391 Best intro on KZbin

[@enochp.3547]

You deserve so many more views and subscribers

[@tdup191]

Amazing how many narratives (Pistons being old, Magic being washed, Mailman not tht great to name a few) tht Bron fans and media push to downplay MJ dominance tht gets proven to be shitty in this video. Great job 👍🏽

[@logicaldude3611]

Still wish we could go back and time and see a Finals matchup between Houston and Chicago.

[@glennpeterson2477]

First I would like to say I love this video. The only disagreement I have with you Jonny is the 1998 Champs. In 98 Indiana was a tough rugged team that won ugly. They wouldn't be able to defeat the Jazz, remember Utah beat both the Shaq & Kobe Lakers and Robinson & Duncan Spurs in that years playoffs. Effectively holding off two future dynasty! The late 90s Jazz had both the talent and depth to be back to back Champs. Mr. Malone has 2 NBA Champions, 3 league MVP's, & 5 Scoring titles and a lot more "Respect" in world without Jordan.

[@ritchietodd409]

My big disagreement would've come in 1993. I see the Knicks beating the Suns. New York was a much tougher defensive style team which was more important back then. Phoenix was hoping to outscore you and were very limited defensively. Even with the Suns having home court, I still see the Knicks handling "winning time" better.

[@chasemichael6008]

That 1998 Indiana roster was scary good. They'd be remembered as one of the greatest all around teams of all time if not for MJ.

[@vexotimmer2675]

Agreed. They get overlooked a lot, but that Pacers squad was really good.

[@markjackson6431]

Glide and Rock would get more appreciation

[@FuShengAlex]

Rock was overrated. Empty stats career

[@HooperMixTV]

Great video! The research on this video must have been difficult but we love the dedication for the craft to make this wonderful analysis!

[@hickz216]

without MJ the nba today would still be dominated by Big men and players are still wearing short shorts

[@josepy_2156]

The fact the video has 1.1k likes and only 11 dislikes shows how good your video are

[@upthereds1892]

Karl malone stuffed stats like he stuffed 13 year olds

[@bruhnard3391]

😳

[@outrageoustv3594]

Love this video, been waiting for it. Always wondered what it be like without Jordan and I love your take on it. I agree with it.

[@MrReese]

Watching your video I just realized something: in basically all other sports when watching clips from older days the game from back then looks weak and less athletic and competitive from our point of view as of today. In the NBA, however, the game nowadays looks a lot less athletic and competitive compared to the 80s and 90s, where things were really happening on the court. Today, the players often just run up a bit, maybe make one move and shoot from 3-point range or just make one of these "unstoppable" moves like Harden does (there is a Jimmy video about that) and that's it. I get so much more kick out of watching older matches than newer ones.

[@JKTProductionzIncNCo]

That's b/c generally speaking professional basketball in the USA has gone through stages. For example in the late 30s to most of the 40s & most of the 70s pro bball was weak in terms of talent acquisition per team per league. Similarly the 2010s has been a weak era. I mean just look at the lack of genuine prime big men from 2006 to 2016. Genuine 7 footers are rare. Also there have been time of high levels of talent acquisition per team per league for example between 1976 to 1980 was good. 1980 to 1988 was also extremely competitive. Yet the highest level that the nba achieved by per team not total (b/c there are 30 teams now) was between 1954 to 1967. Basically between 8 to 10 teams. So an average of 9 teams in 13 years. One thing Lebron James said was correct many years ago. The NBA if it want to achieve the same level of talent per team like how it was back in the late 80s & early 90s. Then the NBA needs to shrink to 24 teams. Alot of people aren't going to like it but it is what it is.

[@BlueBlobfishGaming323]

I was wondering if you could make a video about how well certain players would do in a different era. You talk about how the era of a certain player can affect things, so I thought this would be interesting.

[@Silly81]

After watching this clip, I’m now convinced that dominating teams and/or players hurt the game rather than help it (Tom Brady). I love MJ but you can’t say that those finals scenarios would’ve been more exciting to watch than the Bulls winning every damn year, I’m just saying🤷🏾‍♂️

[@facelessandnameless]

I agree 👌

[@madlabsinfirmary1904]

@Silly81 A dominating team with a dominating player helps the league and you can clearly see who is the dominant player/team and it sparks such conversations. Even still in those finals scenarios in this video, that's even speculation as one of those teams might turn dominant anyways. In my humble opinion Seattle ends up losing to Orlando as they were in the finals before when they lost to Houston. Orlando would be out for blood if given the second chance as that series would be the Sonic's first rodeo. The best are always going to shine no matter what.

[@normanlee725]

Based on history - the 90s was the golden age of basketball and the interest on basketball and the NBA was at its peak... led by MJ really and sure he and the Bulls were dominant but the level of competition was incredibly high that you do not know who will win and for the Bulls to win you need and expect MJ to rise to the occasion... it is like a well crafted story that people can't wait to watch and see... thus it isn't simply about being dominant but the level and quality of opponent. I believe the 80s and 90s were more competitive - just look at 7 HOFs... denied championships. Sadly, today's NBA doesn't exude the same excitement even in an era where the NBA is incredibly easy to access (globally) when compared during the time when MJ was playing. Still now... have a top 10 NBA finals (viewership)... you'll see that MJ's Bulls will have majority of the viewership... just shows the level of excitement for basketball versus today.

[@bobbyjeffjr]

Jonny I got an idea for you. Make a series called the overrated series. Talk about players that you think are overrated and why. That would be pretty entertaining to watch. I was gonna say the underrated series, but I realize that you already had something like that with the "how good he really was" series. So I thought about this. Anyway love your content as I saw you from my recommended and really enjoyed your vids ever since. Keep up the hard work and hopefully you can make yourself a really big creator.

[@jonnyarnett]

I'm gonna be honest, I could do it, and I'm sure those videos would perform very well, considering how they'll stir up lots of emotions, so engagements and comments will be high, but its reeeeally just not my style. I don't like the idea of making an 8-12 minute video where I'm basically slandering a dude, or at the very least, trying to take away some of his credit. If I could have played in the NBA, I would have, but I wasn't good enough, so for me as a fan to spend a significant amount of time to talk about why a guy "isn't that good" just feels inappropriate to me. I think my opinions on overrated players subtly show up whenever I rank players or in the versus series, and I like that, but yeah, don't really want to make videos that focus on diminishing specific players. Hope that makes sense :/ I truly appreciate your support and suggestions!

[@bobbyjeffjr]

Jonny Arnett yea ok I understand. You don't want negativity on a player and I get that. I'll try to think of more ideas for you.

[@aminuabdullahi5922]

you should do this again with lebron in the 2010s

[@icecube9660]

Yes

[@Fabulos1]

He didn't stop anyone from winning lmao

[@wills.364]

I would have been all over Magic vs Sonics matchup!

[@carlosvega4612]

MJ G.O.A.T.

[@Maximillian200HP]

I agree with you on all 6 of the Championship decisions. The only one I was iffy on was Pacers vs Jazz, but you definitely make a good case for your decision. Cool to see you doing another video like this, I LOVED your similar video about Wilt Chamberlain. I hope you make this a recurring series with some of the NBAs biggest legends. Be cool to see you do Magic Johnson, Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, Shaq, LeBron, Bill Russell, Kareem and Larry Bird.

[@d.j.407]

“What if Michael Jordan didn’t exist?” Then LeBron James would be the GOAT

[@lavellesogucc1]

LeBron still watching the last dance stfu goof troop

[@sundigest1121]

@@lavellesogucc1 What?

[@pogicardozo8736]

@@lavellesogucc1 there will be no last dance without Jordan's dominance

[@lavellesogucc1]

@@sundigest1121 the day after LeBron won the championship guess what he was watching the next morning saying he “still studying”?

[@lavellesogucc1]

@@pogicardozo8736 Def was MJ praise

[@mikecasale438]

@Johnny You should do a what if... Penny Hardaway and Grant Hill never got injured

[@logicaldude3611]

Look at how many people didn't eat because of MJ. Great video, put a lot of things into perspective. Also helps you realize some of the other players whose greatness was overshadowed by Jordan.

[@alecsanderhamilton9224]

@13:40 91 you give to L.A. 92 to Portland 93 to Phoenix 96 to Seattle 97 to Utah... That's the West winning every title from 91-97 with 99 to 03 going to S.A. and L.A. ... it looks like the West is the winner without MJ.