The Never Before Seen Fighter

[@luckeyhaskins1734]

My relative, an Austrian was the 3rd to 5th top ace of the Luftwaffe, Walter Nowatny. After more than 250 victories on the Eastern Front he was transferred back to Germany to fly the Me262. He died in 1944 at age 23 in a Me 262 while returning from a bomber attack. It was reported that he lost one engine and was attacked while trying to land by P-47s or P-51s which was the American tactic. Because of acute shortages of replacement parts most 262s were lost because of engine failure and secondary shot down while trying to land. The awful bomber losses were paid back by crippling the interceptors in their most vulnerable areas. A side note was his/my cousin flew 30 missions in B17s and survived the war.

[@georgealaska559]

Your story only exemplifies the stupidity of war. Talented young men and women cut down in their prime. What a waste of life.

[@Idahoguy10157]

The Me 262 and all of the German wonder weapons were all too little too late

[@fload46d]

Very cool story. It is very likely that second or third cousins and maybe first cousins fought each other in Europe. My uncle flew B24s at the end of the war but against Japan. He was just about to fly to Japan for a mission when the war ended. If he had been sent to Europe earlier, he might have been killing relatives.

[@baggieknight8411]

And I bet that like 99% of Luftwaffe pilots he NEVER took a dishonorable kill by shooting at a plane that was doomed or a Airman that had bailed out and was parachuting

[@baggieknight8411]

​@@Idahoguy10157everything was a little to late to win cause no one had the balls to kill that piece of sh¡t Adolf Hitler!!!!! He was the soul of demise of the third Reich

[@kaideechu]

Me262 is a beautiful aircraft even in today's standards. Kudos to German engineers.

[@jeffk464]

Swept wings and jet engines slung under the wings, it looks pretty modern. The sweep angle looks to be about the same as modern commercial planes.

[@mboss13b]

It LOOKS like the "bad guy plane". It's like a black 1969 Dodge Charger, everybody knows which wallet is his.

[@ordinaryman1904]

There’s a nice example on display at the Smithsonian Air and Space museum in DC.

[@stephencurry8552]

kaideechu: Oh my yes it could fly for many minutes. And was so reliable. Reminds me of a modern BMW.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

​@@stephencurry8552Spare us your hate speech and ignorant misinformation. The Jumo 109-004B Orkan engines exceeded the RLMs 100 hours PFTR requirements for adoption into Luftwaffe service. According to vehicle registration statistics BMWs are among the longest lasting cars in the world.

[@PitFriend1]

Quick comment, the “MK” in the designation of the cannons doesn’t stand for “Mark.” It’s an abbreviation for “Maschinekanone”, the German word for automatic cannon.

[@superrf85]

Nothing finer than German engineering. The most amazing innovations of the 20th century came from Germany. engines, automobiles, aircraft and numerous others.

[@dr.zeicezeice240]

Jetzt können sich andere mal beweisen😂

[@BarryHWhite]

i beg to differ. The Scots invented anything worth a damn

[@peterrollinson-lorimer]

Don't forget space travel, thanks to Werner von Braun and others.

[@Martin-f7g2f]

Yup, that s true.

[@rigel1176]

@@peterrollinson-lorimer Saturn 5 107 000 000 Hp Lift off ! WOW

[@Titus-as-the-Roman]

The National Museum of the U.S. Air Force at Wright-Patterson AFB has a pristine 262, as a juvenile I used to walk around looking at it for an accumulation of Hours. They also have a very rare water cooled In-line engine FW 190, Germans knew how to build aircraft if left alone.

[@Joebobinator]

The ME 262 Project built five reproductions (with modern engines that aren't a deathwish) at Paine Field a little north of Seattle. My dad used to take my brother and I to see the process since my mom worked near there, they were always very nice and let us walk around their shop, it was extremely cool. I remember being like 8 and saved up $10 of my allowance money to donate to them, I was so proud to help lol. Their first one flew in 2002 and they finished the project in 2012, all five went elsewhere but the Flying Heritage and Combat Armor Museum on the same airfield recently reopened and has a restored me262 with original engines. That whole museum is awesome, a lot of their collection is flyable and they do airshow events in the summer. It feels good to see pristine museum pieces with drip pans underneath to catch the fluids that seep out because they actually fly the things instead of being forever relegated to stationary art.

[@jacksavage7808]

Hitler did not consider jet aircraft important until it was too late.

[@Britcarjunkie]

Planes of Fame, in Chino, Calif., also has one...think they also have a 163 Komet.

[@rescue270]

I've read that an original 262 is being restored to flying condition. It will fly with original Junkers Jumo 004 engines, overhauled with custom-built parts made using modern materials and technology.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

​@@JoebobinatorNot reproductions, the are real Messerschmitt Me-262 designated C models, they are 100% genuine builr under license from Messerschmitt and issued consecutive serial numbers. Ironic that you should mention that being the GE J85 were designed with no Nickel alloys and had a much shorter PFTR.

[@DanLoudShirts]

And it was seriously good looking too. So stylish.

[@ThePandoraGuy]

Seen one in the Deutsche Museum in Munich. Beautiful indeed.

[@garcia83viz]

Most beautiful aircraft ever, imo. ( Xf-11 and Tu-114 second and third) . You gotta think, they knew exactly the psychological effect it would have... Looking like a sky-shark. It couldn't have been easy to machine such beautiful curves outta sheet metal , 80 years ago.

[@MrBestshot33]

Unless you were on the receiving end of those 30mm.....

[@paktahn]

@@MrBestshot33 yeah the german 30mm was no joke at all each high explosive round had the equivalent of a standard hand grenades explosives in them with a delayed fuse so that it would pass through the skin of the aircraft and detonate inside the aircraft the united states tested them after the war was over on old aircraft at a firing range and just 1 30mm shell could cleave the fuselage of most targets the tried it on in half they probably wouldnt do near as much damage to engines as armor piercing rounds but an aircraft cant stay in the air if its missing its wings and/or tail

[@MichealAnthonyGennaro]

One of the most beautiful (sexy) Military aircraft that ever flew. Smoke and sleek. It looks fast just sitting on the ramp. Like the F86 and English Electric.

[@JohnLocal-v6i]

AH was a fool when it comes to Me2672. Everyone told him that this airplane was designed and meant to be a fighter not a bomber. It could have been a major change in many battles, probably not changing the outcome of the war a la long, due to lack of german production capacities, but who knows. Anyway another masterpiece of german engineers.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

That story unfortunately is a false urban myth, the delays in production were due to shortages of Nickel nothing to do with Hitler, he was actually 100% right, all modern jet fighters are multi-role Interceptor-Attack aircraft with bombing capabilities.

[@theoronig6440]

Exakt. Hitler diskutierte mit Milch heftig und Milch sagte: Herr Hitler das sieht doch jedes Kind das das ein Jäger ist. Das war 1941 ! Letztendlich wurde der Kampf gegen den Faschismus früher beendet.

[@boogie153]

The most ironic thing was, that there was already a jet bomber, the Arado Ar 234, which was way better suited for this role than the Me 262.

[@maathlv]

The Me 262 project started in 1940. It's further development was stopped by Göring in the summer of 1940 because he (like most people at this time to be fair) didn't understand the possibilities of the jet engine and besides didn't believe that such a fighter would be even necessary, because Germany would of course win the war in a short time. Messerschmitt went on to work on the plane but with no priority or real resources. And no admission. That changed years later in 1942/43. Hitlers obsession with a fast bomber focused on this clear fighter design (boogie153 is completely right with the Arado 234) further delayed the machine because of the changes needed to carry bombs and made it practically useless in combat: you were slow and you could not even hit something with it as a bomber because you could not even see your aim as a pilot. If all this would have been different the jet could have appeared in large numbers in the german sky at some time in 1943 or at the beginning of 1944 latest, exactly the time when the Mustang changed the real history of the air battle over Germany and the Luftwaffe lost control forever. In the end just one more or less unsupported small fighter squadron (Gallands "Expertengeschwader 44") was created and permiited to use the plane as fighter and so to at least proof what the Me 262 really could do - or better: what it could have done. There were attacks of 6 jets maximum with the revolutionary new r4 rockets against thousands of bombers and hundreds of escort with some astounding results. But a a Me 262 pilot you were shot down when starting or landing by the overwhelming masses of conventional allied planes. Imagine it would have been hundreds - and that a year earlier. The jet still would not have changed the outcome of the war since it was lost for Germany since the end of 1941 anyway. But the air over Germany at least at day time (and maybe in the dark also because it is said that the jet would have made a perfect night fighter) would have been a lot more hellish and deadlier for the allies than it was in reality anyway. And for the german pilots too of course. A wonderful plane in the wrong hands and ironically ignored so long that it didn't count in the end. Luckily maybe.

[@raphaelkirsch9635]

Für mich nach wie vor das schönste Flugzeug der Zeit !

[@heppisaxm8316]

Das war noch deutsche Wertarbeit und Ingineurskunst. Und heute hat man Angst vor solchen Nationen die damals noch nicht mal elektrischen Strom hatten.

[@jcarne1015]

I heard no mention of the airplane’s Achilles heels. Slow to accelerate, prone to compressor stalls, and a ridiculously short engine life span of about 25 hours due to the lack of advanced metallurgy and production methods available for it’s production. I believe this was not because of the technology not having been developed, rather it was more a matter of getting it into the air with readily available assets.

[@aurora1024]

And with the compressor stall tendency, I'd heard it wasn't particularly maneuverable unless you wanted an engine out.

[@proteusnz99]

Agreed, the lack of crucial alloying elements gave the turbine a short working life. The wing sweep was driven by centre of gravity considerations, the drag reduction was just a happy bonus. Manoeuvrability at speed wasn’t that wonderful, but suitable for hit-and-zoom tactics (like U.S. in Pacific to counter Japanese). Very vulnerable during takeoff / landing as the engines didn’t respond well to fast throttle movements. Problem was trying to develop engine during combat, consider early B-29 operations.

[@rob5944]

​@@proteusnz99according to Eric 'winkle' Brown, chief RN test pilot, compressibility was beginning to be understood. The Germans realised that the the wing sweep could also help dissipate air resistance down the leading edges.

[@proteusnz99]

@@rob5944 yes, Brown rated the Me-262 as a better fighter than the Gloster Meteor, though subject to similar snaking problems. I was interested that he thought the He-162 might have been the best gun platform of the first generation jets, though hardly suitable for inexperienced pilots. Along with entering new areas of aerodynamics, the development cycles for these much more complex machines/engines was poorly understood, for example only one or two prototypes, so any accident could stall testing for months, or where the Hunter F1/Swift F1, F-84B/C/D were development batches to work the bugs out.

[@rob5944]

@@proteusnz99 well it was all brand new technology, in terms of jet propulsion, aerodynamics, tactics, in fact almost everything. What has always impressed me is how Germany could still make astounding progress, in under tremendous pressure. She was more than a match on the continent for any two of the three major Allies in my opinion.

[@herschelmayo2727]

One unrecognized problem with the ME262 was mentioned to me by an American pilot who transitioned from prop to jet aircraft. The German pilots were hindered by the lack of time to break habits learned in prop planes that created lift over their own wings, whereas jets don't. Had they been able to totally get accustomed to their craft, and explore its advantages, they would have been even more lethal in dogfights.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

With a 100 mph speed advantage Allied fighters were completely outclassed by the Me-262.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

@danielnowotny Then why was the Me-262 so successful in combat and Allied jets were such a complete failure???

[@WilhelmKarsten]

@danielnowotny But during the Korean War it was jet vs. jet aerial combat.. As you just pointed out... there was no jet vs. jet fighting during WW2. Only Germany had effective jet fighters in operational service.

[@rubenomarbueno1134]

​@@WilhelmKarsten Se salvaron los alemanes que no los agarró el Lockheed F-80 que era muy superior al 262 . De el F-80 luego se derivó toda una familia de aviones de combate . Tambien el entrenador mas famoso del mundo , se construyeron miles , se trata del famoso T-33 , usado por mas de 50 Fuerzas Aéreas. Se utilizaron desďe 1944 hasta el año de 2013 , los últimos se retiraron del servicio en Bolivia. Su diseño , su técnica y su armamento, se prestaban a llegar a Europea. Pero se terminó la guerra. Se salvaron del F-80 A los alemanes.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

@@rubenomarbueno1134 No, the Lockheed F-80 did not exist or ever saw service during WW2. The P-80 was rushed into service without proper development and was plagued with serious technical issues and airworthiness problems that led to it spending most of the war grounded. The P-80 was no match for the Messerschmitt Me-262... the P-80 only killed American pilots.

[@thomasmatzen7400]

Gute Technik vom ersten U Boot bis heute !

[@danstubbs5032]

Imagine how it sounded on the ground when 1500 planes went over. Even at altitude it had to be something to see/hear

[@bill9540]

Yes, stunning!

[@boogie153]

@@bill9540 My mother always said, when they heard it, they'd been running to the shelters. It has sounded like a far away thunderstorm. And my father was at his post to give the distance of the bomber stream to the Flak, he'd been rangefinder for the Flak.

[@kelvinnoden3057]

If the Me 262 dropped your jaw then check out the Horton 229 flying wing 😍

[@wilburfinnigan2142]

Only one ever flew once and crashed and killed the pilot !!! A failure !!!

[@FiveCentsPlease]

@@wilburfinnigan2142 Not counting the V1 glider that flew. The second prototype V2 flew under jet power, but only for about two hours total testing time before the fatal accident that killed Ziller. This was 18-Feb-1945 and the V3 third example was only 50% complete when Patton's forces captured the Gotha workshop in mid-April. The US let the RAF examine the V3 with some discussion of getting it in the air, but nothing came of that. That is the short history of the 229, certainly not what that NatGEO TV show implied.

[@Sean-ot4zq]

The ME-262 the official first operational jet fighter. However, the plane was not truly ready for combat yet. The Americans, British and Russians suffered the same and more issues. One of the biggest issues faced by the jets (combat ready or not) was the fact there was not an instantaneous reaction from the engines when the pilot adjusted the speed. In terms of the 262 though the biggest issue was pilots did not have time to train on this brand new technology that not one as of yet had real experience with. Plus Hitler wanted the 262 to be a bomber

[@tristanemery8748]

I will never understand that ridiculous doctrine Hitler enforced which meant that every aircraft in the Luftwaffe's arsenal was capable of bombing - had this not been a prerequisite of every German fighter aircraft they might have seen more success with less conventional designs, or at the least less fighters wasted on roles that they didn't excel at.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

You have obviously never flown a jet aircraft... All jets including modern ones with digital fuel controls are incredibly sluggish and slow to accelerate from flight idle with poor throttle response. No jet fighter pilot would ever fly in a combat zone with less than 85% of military power.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

​​@@tristanemery8748You don't understand a lot of things about military aircraft if that's your case. Hitler has been absolutely proven correct by history.. Modern jet fighters are multi-role Interceptor-Attack aircraft with bombing capabilities. The Messerschmitt Me-262 was no different from propeller driven fighters like the P-51 Mustang which also had hard points and could carry a similar bomb load, the Mustang also had a dedicated bomber variant *the A-36*

[@tristanemery8748]

@@WilhelmKarsten my point was more that they were wasted in those roles, as they couldn't fill them to the best of their abilities. It was less of an issue with aircraft specifically designed for multi-role use like the mosquito, with it being rare for any aircraft of the day to be truly effective at multiple roles. I do agree with the statement that it's a good idea for aircraft to be able to fill more than just one role, though mainly with modern aircraft, which are much more expensive to produce than their 40s counterparts.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

@@tristanemery8748 It's based on a rather infantile myth, a false narrative that has no historical significance or value. It's simply intended as an insult. No historian or military scholar gives such things any credit, as I said it pure nonsense. Most fighters then, as now also operate in the bomber role, fighters are by definition multi-role aircraft.

[@daystatesniper01]

I saw the flying replica a few weeks ago at RAF Coningsby , even though a modern replica with modern engines etc' it still looked menacing .

[@WilhelmKarsten]

That's not a replica, it's a genuine Me-262 "C" built under license from Messerschmitt.

[@icemanstg]

@@WilhelmKarsten - exactly - just with modern, much smaller but stronger engines. Great piece !

[@WilhelmKarsten]

@@icemanstg The GE J85 was designed by Gerhard Neumann and his team of Jumo engineers brought over by Operation Paperclip... Ironically the J85 originally designed for missiles only had designed life of just 2 hours!

[@fritzwrangle-clouder6033]

@@WilhelmKarsten The Me 262 replicas are solely the product of the Texas Airplane Factory and Classic Fighter Industries and have nothing to do with DASA. CFI's right to build was bestowed by NAS in return for the restoration of Vera (which is now, according to you no longer an original Me 262). The only connections with anything Messerschmitt is that one of the replicas was bought by the Messerschmitt Foundation which is a privately owned historical preservation society which then gave its informal blessing to the use of the 'C' suffix and the use of consecutive serial numbers which have no meaning other than as serial numbers issued by TAF for the airframes that they produce. As you know Sandyboy EADS is not Messerschmitt. DASA was formed when Daimler-Benz took over MBB (itself a product of Bolkow's acquisition of Messerschmitt). DASA was later absorbed into EADS a joint French, Spanish and German venture. Messerschmitt is a legacy company of the international concern EADS as de Havilland is a legacy company of BAE Systems, the British company which is Europe's biggest defence contractor. Obviously CFI couldn't use original or even replicas of Ju 004 engines due to the appalling fragility and short life of the design, so instead they used the GE CJ610 which presented a problem that the considerably lower weight of the GE engines would significantly displace the CofG and require changes to the wings but instead they put the GE engine in the heavy casings of Ju 004 engine to achieve the require weight distribution. How ironic.

[@fritzwrangle-clouder6033]

@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know the team that Gerhard Neumann worked with at GE were Americans not nazis.

[@jasonfarrol6277]

Is das nicht unsere gute alte ME262? Ich find sie immer noch schön❤ War, glaub ich, der 1.Düsenjet überhaupt

[@WilhelmKarsten]

The most revolutionary aircraft in history since the Wright Flyer, it rendered absolutely everything that came before it completely obsolete.

[@Anglo_Saxon1]

Haha! The fuhrer must've designed this himself.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

@@Anglo_Saxon1 *Adolf Busemann conducted exhaustive testing of the Me-262 at the RLMs **_Luftfahrtforschungsanstalt_** supersonic wind tunnel laboratories in Braunschweig.* *The Allies would not have supersonic aircraft wind tunnels until after the war.*

[@davidewhite69]

0: 44 sweep wing technology does not give an advantage in maneuverability, the opposite in fact. the Germans knew of the advantage of swept wing when it came to high speed flight, but that was not the reason it was chosen in the me-262, it was utilised to move the centre of gravity because of the engine's position. In actual fact, the 262 was not more maneuverable than the P-51, not even close, it used its 100mph higher speed and exceptional climb rate to evade the P-51, the 262 never engaged in dog fighting allied fighters, or even fast fighter bombers like the Mosquito, it used hit and run tactics to fight, which it did very very well, its main vulnerability was lack of engine lifetime, slow spool up of the engines, the throttles had to be moved very slowly or the engine would flame out and in some cases catch fire, and being attacked in the landing approached

[@WilhelmKarsten]

That is a completely false myth based on a single highly dubious source and contradicts all the historical evidence. Please stop posting lies and ignorant misinformation about a topic that you are clearly not qualified to discuss intelligently

[@paulforder591]

The Me-262 was streamlined and had swept-back wings, hence its high rate of speed, 150 mph faster than the P51 propellor fighters. A marvel of German engineering for its time. 🛬

[@theoronig6440]

Da kommt man mit Propeller nicht hin. Aber das Abfangen bei der Landung war eine erfolgreiche US Taktik und sehr effizient.

[@paulkavanagh1032]

This generation fought for our freedoms, something I think many have taken for granted. We all have to wake up and see our new enemy, is amongst us and wants us subservient and weak. They are our governments and our entertainment, but no less dangerous.

[@LaLaLand.Germany]

Finally the 262 gets the appreciation it deserves! Thanks aus Deutschland

[@evilelf5967]

Imagine being sent up in a 262 that had 24 hrs on the engines.....wouldn't be a good day.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

No different from any Allied piston engine plane..

[@opoxious1592]

@@WilhelmKarsten exactly

[@Cugier-sf2vo]

Niemand fliegt 24 Stunden am Stück in einen Jäger in der damaligen Zeit Triebwerke waren so gebaut das man sie schnell wechseln konnte -ebend stand der damaligen Technik. Ich glaube auch nicht das die heutigen Hightech Flugzeuge 2 Stunden in der Luft bleiben können ohne umfangreiche Wartung

[@jimandersen3003]

@@WilhelmKarsten Go back to sleep!

[@WilhelmKarsten]

@@jimandersen3003 Are you not familiar with WW2 era military aircraft engines???

[@rogerw3818]

For me, prettiest aircraft ever.

[@somebloke4027]

An advanced ‘aerial flow’ engine? Do you mean axial flow?

[@grandaddyoe1434]

Probably - accuracy is not always evident on this channel . . .

[@dman8966]

Man will sich nicht vorstellen was wäre wenn die Horten noch zum Einsatz gekommen wären.

[@JohnLocal-v6i]

Where would we be without german engineers of that time? Would we have rockets and satellites in orbit today? Would anyone had been walking on the moon? At what stage of development would be commercial jet driven airplanes?

[@HumptyDumpty01]

Yes

[@tombrunner8181]

Why was Germany destroyed before the 1st World War? All inventions, all medical innovations benefited the world. Not to mention the music.

[@theoronig6440]

Wäre auch von den USA alleine erreicht worden. Sicher war von Brauns Vorarbeit eine gute Basis für die UDSSR + USA aber dann haben sie unabhängig voneinander die Raumfahrt ermöglicht.

[@steveshoemaker6347]

Amazing plane for it's time.....Thanks Shoe🇺🇸

[@martinbrode7131]

For it's time.... it was a miracle.

[@brianedwards7142]

Don't you hate it when the bad guys have the good looking gadgets.

[@gratefulguy4130]

Wait till you find out what was really going on in WWII..

[@Frankie5Angels150]

The P-51 and Spitfire just entered the chat room and laughed.

[@chipcook6646]

For the Germans too late and too little. A year earlier and years earlier this would have made a big difference .

[@rgfotofilms212]

Aguante!!! La Luftwaffe!!! saludos desde Argentina!!!

[@boomcracker9777]

262’s killed a lot of bombers with minimal casualties? Your inaccuracies know no bounds

[@WilhelmKarsten]

The Messerschmitt Me-262 was highly effective in combat, the Allies had absolutely nothing comparable to the German jets.

[@fritzwrangle-clouder6033]

@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know the Me 262 was very ineffective, not least because of its crappy engines. Of 1400 Me 262s built, your nazi heroes struggled to get more than thirty in the air at one time and many those promptly fell out of it again or were shot out of it by Allied fighters. The Allies certainly had nothing to comparable to the crappiness of the German jets, and as you know, whereas the P80, Meteor and Vampire had long service careers with many air forces, the Me 262 lasted barely seven years and only served with two are forces, one of which didn't want it.

[@jimandersen3003]

Yep. My studies say a lot of ME 262s died on take off and landing not by being attacked. Ahead of their time but very finicky and problematic and in real world did not see much action.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

@@jimandersen3003 Sorry Jimbo, 26 Luftwaffe 262 pilots scored Ace or higher shooting down over 550 Allied aircraft... Kurt Welter remains the highest scoring jet Ace in history. Allied jet aircraft only killed Allied pilots during WW2.

[@su5119]

Always good viewing. Thanks

[@uwestreibel7319]

Deutsche Technik...Überlegen über allem😉👍

[@secretagent86]

Minimal casualties is a highly personal viewpoint

[@rogerredford6242]

One of my favorite planes. Favorite? Bf-109G4-6

[@klaus-peterborn1370]

Close, my is the F4.

[@ThatBaritoneGuitarGuy]

Another worthwhile thing to note is how fragile those early Jumo and Junkers jet engines were. You could not slam the throttle, or the engines would burst into flames. You needed to gradually increase the throttle. In addition, one well-placed bullet could also make the engines burst into flames. That said, look at how finicky those early rockets were, but how how devastating they could be when they DID work. Of course, when they didn't work, they were equally as devastating to the launch site. That proves the age-old motto, "War is the mother of invention."

[@brentboswell1294]

Before FADEC, you couldn't just jam the throttles forward on many civil jet engines, either. If you did, you could exceed temperatures in sections of the engines. You had to advance the throttles while watching the temperatures. FADEC has made modern engine control much easier.

[@ThatBaritoneGuitarGuy]

So, around the 60s?

[@brentboswell1294]

@@ThatBaritoneGuitarGuy FADEC (full authority digital engine controls) didn't start in civil aircraft until the 1980's. Military aircraft probably had it earlier...

[@WilhelmKarsten]

Jumo is the engine division of Junkers... same company. All WW2 jet engines have manual controlled fuel flow, but the Me-262 was the first to have an automatic variable exhaust nozzle and later engines had throttle dampers to assist the pilot in preventing movement that was too fast. All jet engines are slow to accelerate from idle and have poor throttle response, even modern engines with FADEC. Because jet engines operate at higher continuous power settings pilots don't retard the throttles or lean the fuel mixture in cruising like they would with a piston engine.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

​@@brentboswell1294YES, FADEC makes it easier... but not faster. Spool-up is still slow and throttle response is intentionally delayed to prevent over-fueling damage.

[@daniel_lucio]

The Me 262 was anything but maneuverable.

[@walterblanc9708]

But in the hands of a competent pilot outside of takeoff and landing it was untoucheable.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

Pilots who flew the Messerschmitt Me-262 said it was very maneuverable with excellent handling, the German jet could turn and maneuver at speeds 100 mph faster than Allied aircraft could not reach in straight and level flight. Allied aircraft were completely outclassed by the Me-262 in a dogfight.

[@daniel_lucio]

@@WilhelmKarsten Very strangely, Galland was adept at the hit technique (bombers) & run

[@WilhelmKarsten]

@@daniel_lucio Galland was a very skilled pilot but his real talent was politics and mastered the technique of talking out of both sides of his mouth... depending upon who was in the room and who they liked and didn't like.

[@fritzwrangle-clouder6033]

@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know the Me 262 was a poor fighter, indeed Eric 'Winkle' Brown whilst describing it as a most formidable aircraft stated that it was "NO FIGHTER" and that it could not effectively perform dogfight maneuvers. Brown identified it's proper use as a zoom and boom interceptor but noted the limiting lack of dive brakes. Me 262 pilots were forbidden from engaging allied fighters. From the Smithsonian on their Me 262 - "Despite its great speed advantage, the Me 262 was not as maneuverable as top-of-the-line piston fighters and it had a tendency to stall due to a tricky compressor. The jet engines burned out quickly and were not that reliable."

[@ropeburn6684]

Every single plane when first seen by the enemy: "never seen before".

[@WilhelmKarsten]

The Messerschmitt Me-262 was the first jet aircraft in operational service, no Allied airmen had ever seen an aircraft that had no propeller and never seen an aircraft with such a huge airspeed advantage.

[@dontall71]

The first 4 prototypes didn't have tricycle landing gear which made takeoffs difficult.

[@stevieturner9338]

Thank you again Dark Skies

[@d.b.1858]

Hermann Goering's greatest contribution to mankind was cutting funding for the ME-262 advancement.

[@fritzlehner9060]

Im original wäre das Video nicht so schlecht gewesen sein. Immerhin ist die Geschichte ein Beweis für die gute Deutsche Ingenieurskunst !

[@blitzkrieg2142k]

There is a air worthy example in existence. Haven't seen it in person but I hope to one day.

[@alparker8661]

Maybe one at the Chino Planes of Fame, I remember seeing a photo years ago. It probably is a static display.

[@FiveCentsPlease]

@@alparker8661 The Planes of Fame Me-262 was bought by Paul Allen's museum as a candidate for airworthy restoration. It was also the former Howard Huges Me-262. Jeremy Moore and his group at JME Aviation in the UK were selected to restore the airframe. (JME had previously rebuilt Paul Allen's beautiful Fw-190A.) The Jumo engines were rebuilt at Aero Turbine in California, using at least seven original cores and lots a new manufacture. Aero Turbine ran them until they broke, then fixed the problem and kept going over 10 years. Allen's Me-262 is not quite ready for flight since Allen passed away just before taxi trails began. There's still work to do under the new owners.

[@CaptHollister]

There are a few. They are modern reproductions, or if you prefer "continuation" models, powered by modern engines nestled inside reproduction nacelles. No airworthy originals exist or ever will exist because the original engines are too short-lived and unreliable.

[@sparkydog2]

....sie nutzten Tauchangriffe, um unentdeckt zu bleiben........sowas kommt, wenn man einen automatischen Sprecher verwendet....trotzdem ok - danke!

[@josephlannert969]

The Me262 is one of my favorite aircraft, however despite (or because of) how advanced it was it had numerous teething troubles that simply could not be worked out with the limited time and resources at Germany's disposal. And from what I've read North American was actually working on a swept wing version of what became the F-86 even before German data became available

[@WilhelmKarsten]

The F-86's swept wing was designed by German engineer Edgar Schmud and a team of engineers from Messerschmitt.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

The Messerschmitt Me-262 is without question the most successful jet aircraft design of WW2, the Allies had absolutely nothing comparable to the Me-262

[@josephlannert969]

@@WilhelmKarsten the Lockheed P-80 was in service in Europe the last few weeks of the war and absolutely blew the Me-262 out of the water without German data. Besides, Republic built a "hot rod" P-47, the P-47M, to counter it and other jets and it seemed to do the trick

[@WilhelmKarsten]

@@josephlannert969 It doesn't sound like you know very much about the P-80A or the P-47M? Don't confuse the F-80C with the P-80A in service during WW2, the A was completely outclassed by the Me-262. Four P-80s were sent to Europe 2 crashed before reaching Italy where the remaining two never flew on a operational combat sortie before all P-80s were grounded after a series of crashes and fatal accidents. The 2 P-80s spent the entire remainder of the war grounded with crash investigations and technical problems. The "mighty"P-47M is an American unicorn plane, in operational service it was an unmitigated disaster that never lived up to Republic's fantastic performance claims. Like the P-51H the Simmons boost regulator was an epic failure and all of the special 'M' engines were destroyed when WEP was used causing several fatal accidents before the boost pressure regulator was ordered to be removed and all remaining M planes converted in the field to P-47D engines. In USAAF service the M was only about 10 mph faster than the standard D model. Any questions?

[@martinkasper197]

Look at the F-86 A and the MIG 15. They are not twins, but cousins..🤔 Maybe of the German plans and engineers in the US and Russia after the war?

[@Walkyria_station_modeler]

Me-262 un hermoso y letal avión muy adelantado para su época😍

[@lbaker3602001]

V2 rocket was the fist man made object to reach outer space.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

The A4b was a rocket powered aircraft with swept wings that reached Mach 4 in 1945, although unmanned during testing it had a cockpit for a pilot. The world's first supersonic aircraft and the first spacecraft capable of carrying a man into space.

[@mrthingy9072]

I can only imagine what Hartmann would have done with an Me-262. His favorite tactic during the entire war was hit and run, he felt dogfighting was ridiculous. Highest scoring ace of all time, I think he knew what he was talking about.

[@randomdeadpool]

"MK" for the germans is "Maschinenkanone" wich means Autocanon, not "Mark"

[@debbiebermudez5890]

Mr. B. Here 👀😎 Duty, Honor, Country 🇺🇸 ⚔️

[@brianwilliams1588]

Having worked on the only two remaining fully functional Jumo 004 engines left in the world, I can say: Their revolutionary performance was heavily outweighed by their chronic lack of reliability. They were designed to run for about 25 hours and then be replaced and most never made it to 5 hours either due to being shot down, or, more likely, falling out of the sky of their own accord. Trying to rebuild/overhaul these finicky beasts even with today's modern technology and materials does not solve for the faults in their design. That being said, the Me262 was definitely a force to be reckoned with... at least until the allies figured out how to beat them.

[@unwnme]

But they didn't figure out how to beat them. They just attacked them while they were trying to land. That is not figuring out the Me 262 as a fighter plane. Would you consider the Germans attacking any American fighter while it was trying to land, being that they figured out the American fighter? I'm not coming back to see what you answer since youtube doesn't like me and gives me zero notifications.

[@leonehlers4574]

​@@unwnme❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@AjitMD]

Why such short engine life? What components would fail? Turbine blades? Combustor? Bearings? Compressor? Poor quality control?

[@brianwilliams1588]

@AjitMD A little bit of all those things, but at the end of the day, they just didn't have high enough quality materials. The combustion chambers basically cooked themselves, poor quality bearings, oil pumps were notoriously prone to failure (that was one of our big hurdles). Believe it or not, the two stroke starter engines were the most reliable part of the whole thing. If they had another year or two to develop the materials, ww2 would have been a much different outcome. They also had issues with deliberate sabotage by the forced Jewish laborers, PoWs, and other such prisoners.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

​@@AjitMDIt's all a false myth based on misinformation and intended as a deliberate insult. The Jumo 109-004A Orkan engines built with Krupp P-198 Chromadur alloy NEVER saw production or operational service. The 109-004B was redesigned specifically for P-198. These mass production engines easily passed the RLMs 100 hour PFTR reliability test required for adoption into Luftwaffe service. This is the same 100 hour test required for the RAF and USAAF

[@pauls.2526]

You make great videos.

[@andrekonig4553]

Den Amerikanischen Bombenterror hatten wir leider Zuwenig entgegen zu setzen aber ich Danke jeden Flieger der Luftwaffe für ihre Tapferkeit gegen eine überlegenen Übermacht. Schade das die ME 262 zu spät eingesetzt wurde.

[@wolle777u]

Das schlimme an der Doku ist die Computer Stimme

[@walterblanc9708]

I think they got it almost perfect for the available tech, hence most modern airliners with another 50+ years of tech look very similar for working in the same environment.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

Indeed, without question the most significant aircraft design in history since the Wright Flyer...

[@t37able45]

I thought the same. Look at a B 737

[@weblightstudio8215]

That is a good breakdown, very easy to digest and understand!

[@henryh.3988]

Gestolen aus Deutschland

[@sagritarius01]

Der Technologie Vorsprung war schon bemerkenswert sowohl bei der ME 262 und den Horten Nur Fluegler erster Staff Fighter 😊😊

[@TheEvil909295]

This German AI translation is very, very strange to follow as a German native speaker.

[@tommanseau6277]

This video is lttered with inaccuracies. Swept wings aren't about maneuverability or agility. They are about stability and durability at speed. The swept wing delays the shock wave traveling down the wing and preventing the wings from being torn off the closer the plane got to the sonic barrier. The 262 was not more agile than its piston counterparts, but it was faster. The 262 used a hit and run tactic to great effect, which is exactly the same tactic used by F4 pilots later against the more agile Migs.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

Actually swept wings allow jets to turn at higher speeds than would be possible for straight wing aircraft because straight wings create more drag in a turn, like the way propellers lose thrust in a turn... Straight wings = low performance Swept wings = High performance

[@WilhelmKarsten]

Actually the Messerschmitt Me-262 could turn and maneuver at speeds that Allied straight wing aircraft could not achieve in straight and level flight. Please remember that "turn radius" is completely relative to speed and does measure a planes superiority in a dogfight, speed is a far more critical factor. Any questions?

[@fritzwrangle-clouder6033]

@@WilhelmKarsten I have question Sandyboy... why do you keep spouting garbage. As you know Sandyboy Eric 'Winkle' Brown stated that the Me 262 was "NO FIGHTER" and that it couldn't be used effectively in dogfight maneuvers. Me 262 pilots were discouraged from carrying out such maneuvers and from engaging allied fighters. From the Smithsonian on their Me 262 exhibit - "Despite its great speed advantage, the Me 262 was not as maneuverable as top-of-the-line piston fighters and it had a tendency to stall due to a tricky compressor. The jet engines burned out quickly and were not that reliable."

[@berger1701]

Das beste Jagdflugzeug des WW2

[@andreemurray7039]

One of the best looking fighter's

[@eduardomartone8120]

C'è solo da dire che comunque diedero vita ad un nuovo tipo di aviazione

[@somebloke4027]

“At the same time, the British Frank Whittle…” no, not the same time. Long before. Whittle patented the jet engine in 1930. If his ‘superiors’ had listened to him, Britain could have had jet engined Spitfires in the Battle of Britain.

[@respectdawildo_danjones508]

Prob wouldn’t have had enough funding but, yeah, they really dropped the ball

[@simonrooney7942]

Whittles design was not axial flow. All modern engines are axial flow

[@foxxy46213]

They sold out to the US look at whittles jet...looks exactly like what the us tested. An also we was testing fully moving tails in the late 30s as hurricanes was experiencing compressibility in very high speed dives. Another British invention the USA stole

[@walterblanc9708]

That would have been something. Or a twin jet Mosquito?

[@walterblanc9708]

But they would have worked better with the available tech. Alot longer than the German axial s@@simonrooney7942

[@kevinducharme1263]

a friend of mine, who was a trivia buff, pointed out that in cross-section the ME-262 had the same profile as a shark's body.

[@IoanniKalivas-zq1xb]

Me262 is beautiful and amazing 👍

[@patrickbass3542]

I never realized there were that many ME-262's!!!!!

[@Frankie5Angels150]

The Me-262 was NOT maneuverable. It was fast but un-maneuverable and very unreliable.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

Thats absolute nonsense, just another popular but completely false myth. The Messerschmitt Me-262 was highly maneuverable and had excellent handling characteristics, it could turn and maneuver at speeds 100 mph than Allied aircraft could achieve in straight and level flight. Allied fighters were completely outclassed by the Me-262 in a dogfight.

[@fritzwrangle-clouder6033]

@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know Eric 'Winkle' Brown who you sometimes like to quote as an authority, stated that the Me 262 was "NO FIGHTER" and said that it could not be used in dog fight maneuvers. As you know Me 262 pilots were prohibited from engaging with allied fighters. As you know Spitfires, Tempests, P47s and P51s all shot down Me 262s.

[@johngray8606]

No mystery, the plane in your thumbnail is an ME262

[@danf4447]

bullshit the me262s were shot down by the dozens on trying to land...slowly taking off and general crapppy flying by rookie pilots. do your homework.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

26 Luftwaffe pilots scored Ace or higher in the Me-262 shooting down hundreds of Allie planes. Kurt Welter remains the highest scoring jet Ace in history The Allies had absolutely nothing comparable to the Me-262

[@christopherrobinson7541]

@@WilhelmKarsten The Me-262 was most vulnerable on landing due to the long time required for the engines to spool-up from low power.There were a few very good pilots but by the end of the war there were many rookies who could be taken-out by experienced american pilots flying aircraft with lower performance.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

@@christopherrobinson7541 Allied losses loitering around 262 bases became so high that the practice was officially banned by fighter command.

[@fritzwrangle-clouder6033]

@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know allied fighters such as the Spitfire, P47, Tempest and P51 all shot down Me 262s.

[@KarlHWei]

I was lucky enough to see two flying over, they were on their way to an air show in the UK

[@billballbuster7186]

So where is the confirmation that1,000+ US bombers were shot down by the Me262? Only 1,300 Me262 were built in the last year of the war, of these only about 300 were flown on operations 8-44 to 5-45. Most of the Me262s that were flying were converted to Sturmvogel bonbers, so were were the fighters that claimed so many American bombers? The facts are that about 300 aircraft of all types were shot down by Me 262, but in return around 120 Me262 were shot down in the air, more destroyed on the ground. The aircraft had no effect on the war, despite all the hype.

[@ALA-uv7jq]

4 to 1 kill ratio says it all. You do the maths.

[@billballbuster7186]

@@ALA-uv7jq That was just one engagement in 1945, not overall figures. You may want read a book to check your facts.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

26 Luftwaffe pilots scored Ace or higher flying the Me-262, Kurt Welter remains the highest scoring jet Ace in history.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

The Messerschmitt Me-262 is without any question the most significant aircraft design history since the Wright Flyer, the Allies had absolutely nothing comparable to the Me-262.

[@fritzwrangle-clouder6033]

@@WilhelmKarsten That's neither here nor there Sandyboy, regardless of Welter's exaggerations. The fact remains that the Me 262 had no effect on the outcome of the war.

[@rumery4145]

Tolle Video! Der Sprecher hat eine sehr angenehme Stimme.

[@BMrider75]

Heinkel is not pronounced "hinkle". "Hine kel ", please...

[@spinnenbein1]

Es fehlt die Rolle von Anselm Franz, der aus der radialen Verdichtung eine axiliare Verdichtung machte!

[@spinnenbein1]

"Sturmvogel" war nur ein weiterer Nickname zu Schwalbe und nicht eine Bomberversion.

[@boomcracker9777]

In that you where talking about 262’s and you had vid of 262’s- rare for you

[@Kneon_Knight]

Give it a rest. The topics covered by this channel most often have little or no archival footage. Unless you have mountains of never before seen photos or films you are willing to share stfu.

[@jstephenallington8431]

🤣

[@JavierLegrand-eo6qc]

a 70 años de su creacion sigue siendo el avion mas impresionante de la historia de la aviacion

[@jeffapplewhite5981]

Good info! Thanks

[@KG-li7kg]

Der Flugzeugproduzent heisst "Heinkel", und nicht "Henkel". Henkel ist ein Waschmittel

[@davidlagos9877]

MUY BUENO..Y TRADUCIDO...GRACIAS

[@billhaleyrock2471]

Mit 1500 Flugzeugen konnte der Ami groß auftreten aber sonst war nicht viel los mit diesen Verein.Die ME262 ist heute noch das schönste Düsenflugzeug das es je gegeben hat.

[@garcia83viz]

"Now you be my witness, how red were the skies when the fortresses flew for the very last time, it was dark over Westfalia in April of '45..." -BOC

[@voctur]

That song 👌

[@garcia83viz]

@@voctur well ain't this some shit... Classic rock and aviation connoisseurs conversing on the internet. Thank you Mr. Dark Skies... Awesome channel. "I raise my can of beer on high and seal my fate forever. "

[@scottbrady6240]

YOU SAW ME SQUINTING AT THE PLATE HUH LOL

[@jasonreisenberger1285]

An uncle I never got to meet was a test pilot for this aircraft.

[@JSFGuy]

Pull up right here.

[@steffenriedel2022]

excellent!!

[@AnthonyTolhurst-dw1nc]

Mate, you’re FULL OF IT!

[@WilhelmKarsten]

The Messerschmitt Me-262 was the most significant aircraft design since the Wright Flyer and the Allies had absolutely nothing comparable to the German jet.

[@fritzwrangle-clouder6033]

@@WilhelmKarsten Hello Sandyboy, as you know the Me 262 is an historical novelty of little significance in aircraft design history. Allied aircraft certainly weren't comparable to the general crappiness and ineffectiveness of the Me 262.

[@paulsawers4342]

Awesome video .excellent 😀from nz.

[@seanx476]

I saw an me262 flying at an airshow about 10 years ago,. Warbirds of Virginia Beach

[@horstlobers9028]

Hallo, Toll gemacht das Video, sie zeigen uns da das schnellste Flugzug seiner Zeit ich fand ihr Ausführungen absolut ok, wenn sich auch der oder jener über Kleinigkeiten aufregen, ich mach sowas auch mal, aber sollen die Meckriche ersmal selbst so einen Film fertigbringen. Danke auf jeden Fall und Tschüss bis zum nächsten mal.

[@peterjarmesty1884]

Why show bomber Amado?

[@ScrogginsTheCove]

Frank Whittle was the jet engine pioneer. The British Govt. would not take Whittles design forward. Frank Whittle did not have the funds to keep his design patented and the technical design was made publicly available, and was in effect picked up by the Germans who took the work forward. Frank Whittle was a remarkable man - you can see one of the first jet engines he created and read about his life at the Midlands Air Museum (Coventry, UK).

[@WilhelmKarsten]

That's a completely false narrative and nothing more than propaganda myths. The Jet engine was invented by Hans von Ohain and Max Hahnn in 1934. Frank Whittle was exposed for plagiarizing the work of Royal Aircraft Establishment Cheif of Engine Development A.A. Griffiths who published his paper in 1926. Maxime Guillaume patented the turbojet aircraft engine in 1921 when Whittle was still a child. Whittle was told by a legal adviser to not renew his patent after he received notice that his British patent was invalid and infringed on Guillaume's earlier patent. Hans von Ohains design bears absolutely no resemblance to Whittle's patent and the 2 men worked with no knowledge of the other's. The real genius of the British jet engine program was Adrian Lombard and Stanley Hooker. Whittle refused to give credit to either man, claiming he patented the idea first which was later confirmed to be false.

[@sandervanderkammen9230]

Frank Whittle was only the fourth person to successfully demonstrate a working jet aircraft engine, he wasnot the first to achieve anything related to jet engine development

[@fritzwrangle-clouder6033]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 Hello Sandyboy, let's just remind you of what that famous German jet pioneer Hans Joachim Pabst von Ohain had to say - "The *FIRST* patent of a turbojet engine, which was later developed and produced, was that of Frank Whittle, now Sir Frank (see Fig. 5). His patent was applied for in January 1930. This patent shows a multistage, axial-flow compressor followed by a radial compressor stage, a combustor, an axial-flow turbine driving the compressor, and an exhaust nozzle. Such configurations are still used today..." My emphasis and "In April 1937, Whittle had his bench-test jet engine ready for the *FIRST* test run. It ran excellently; however, it ran out of control because liquid fuel had collected inside the engine and started to vaporize as the engine became hot, thereby adding uncontrolled fuel quantities to the combustion process. The problem was easily overcome. This first test run was the world's first run of a bench-test jet engine operating with liquid fuel" my emphasis and "From the beginning of his jet propulsion activities, Frank Whittle had been seeking means for improving the propulsive efficiency of turbojet engines. ¶ He conceived novel ideas for which he filed a patent application in 1936, which can be called a bypass engine or turbofan... Whittle's work on fan jets or bypass engines and aft fans was *WAY AHEAD of his time. It was of *GREATES IMPORTANCE* for the future or turbopropulsion." my emphasis As you know Sandyboy, because of nazi strategic incompetence no engine designed by Ohain would ever enter propduction.

[@fritzwrangle-clouder6033]

@@sandervanderkammen9230 By the way Sandyboy, why have you decided to appear in another one of your identities, is WilhelmKarsten getting worn out?

[@berndhofmann752]

After the war frank whittle and franz von ohaim get acquainted and cooperated in Canada. ❤❤❤❤

[@darrencorrigan8505]

Thanks, Dark Skies.

[@Fenael-lx6kz]

10 Jahre zu Spät wenn wir diese Flugzeug in Massen gehabt hätten man was wär die Welt Glücklich

[@openclassics]

The Jumo-Engine was testet 24 hrs nonstop on ground in a shelter!!!

[@WilhelmKarsten]

The Jumo 109-004B Orkan engines were tested and exceeded the RLMs 100 hour continuous full power test required by all engines used in Luftwaffe service. This is the exact same 100 hour PFTR reliability test required by the RAF and USAAF during WW2. The US Army Operation LUSTY confirmed TBOs averaged 55 hours, this is better than many Allied piston engines during WW2 and better than some Allied jet engines.

[@maryrafuse2297]

This is a very positive presentation on behalf of the 262. While a great pioneering first step the 262 was hardly a fully developed aircraft. As always it would take the allies time to develop ways of dealing with this aircraft. They did eventually take advantage of its weaknesses. All that said one has only admiration for its developers and the pilots who learned how to fly her.

[@WilhelmKarsten]

The Messerschmitt Me-262 was well developed when it entered service, especially compared to Allied jets. What weakness was that? The Me-262 was an excellent aircraft

[@momokaster7242]

Wusste gar nicht, daß Henkel außer Waschmittel auch Strahltriebwerke im Programm hatte!

[@Maxfahrer]

Die Übersetzung ist ja furchtbar. Die englische Originalversion wäre schön gewesen

[@joergschmidt3319]

Schade das ein Computer dieses Video kommentiert. Haarsträubend was die Maschine aus der Sprache macht.

[@19Snow77]

es kann nur eine geben, die Me262 wie schaut es eigentlich aus mit Patent · Gebühren an Deutschland ?