The NEW 2022 Discmania PD vs The Competition // PD vs Anax vs Thunderbird vs Invictus

[@DiscmaniaGolfDiscs]

The intro hit us right in the feels - great breakdown and comparison!

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Thank you! 🙏🏼

[@JustDisc]

Love your content Apollo! Quality over quantity. You put in the work and we love it! We’ll definitely have to do a collaboration in the near future! 👍

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Thanks! Definitely have a good ways to go. But yeah, a collab would be fun!

[@mikehan3130]

Another great review. Good comparison of the PD to other discs. I find the Anax much easier to throw than PDs.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah the Anax definitely holds longer and holds that speed further down the fairway!

[@TMRaven]

The Anax actually has an ever so slightly smaller rim than the Thunderbird. I averaged the rim measurements of both an ESP and BigZ Anax and got 18.87mm, then I took the average of a Champion and Champion Color Glow Thunderbird and got 19.13mm. The Anax's nose is slightly sharper than the Thunderbird though, which means it should be a little more aerodynamic with less sharp hookup at the end of its, while the Thunderbird should have a sharper hookup at the end of its flight. I prefer the slightly more blunted nose of the Thunderbird, as it feels a little more comfortable in my hand, and I'm not looking for distance driver qualities to my OS control driver. I've come across Anaxes that flip very easily into a headwind, and some Thunderbirds that are nearly as OS as Firebirds, so yeah I do agree that runs/plastic are inconsistent with those discs.

[@BryceRogers_]

I have this rainbow champion thunderbird, and I swear it’s the most overstable disc I own besides the Axiom Fireball

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah, the Anax is a very interesting disc! Like it has OS characteristics to the shape while also having US characteristics... I had never thrown one before this! definitely holds its speed and is faster than the Thunderbird, but I agree, you can find some beefy Thunderbirds!

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Oh yeah, I have a Luster one that is similar! it's really beefy!

[@TeaParty4Thugs]

I really love the Invictus for forehands especially. I'd love to find one like you have that seems to be a bit more workable

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah, I was surprised! I was totally expecting to get a beef cake!

[@MultiMp90]

my invictus started out super overstable but over a year or so beats in pretty good looking to have something new to compliment it thanks for the review I'll be looking for one of these in the future.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah, I must have gotten a weird Invictus, because I have heard they can be pretty beefy!

[@McSlobo]

Discraft putting the embossed text in the rim kinda helps with grip in slippery conditions. On these new discs they're a bit too pronounced though.

[@TDT0188]

The PD is a Discmania top with a Firebird bottom. IIRC the top is used in a few molds

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

yeah it is their anhyzer top. I think it's the same as the PD2 and DD? not sure though! And I don't remember if it's a Firebird bottom or a Starfire bottom!

[@NickCarroll]

I remember someone saying online that the Invictus is really just a PD. I have them both and they look significantly different from each other, and don't feel the same, so I suspect they fly differently, too. I can't throw them at the speed and distance to test that, but I'm glad you made this video to test that out (among the other discs, too). I have one in Star plastic, and one in Gstar that's supposed to be less stable. I think that's probably the one to get if you want distance with the Invictus, but the PD looks and feels like it'll be more stable. I say that because it's got a flatter top (S-Line PD vs Invictus Star) and the Gstar Invictus has an even more curved dome that pushes the parting line down even further. Not only that but the PD has a sharper edge, and more curved upper _and_ lower rim profile. Even their wing length (rim thickness) is different. The Invictus is noticeably faster, as you note.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah, I would agree! I think there are some pretty overstable invictus’s out there, I just didn’t get one of them! And this was the only one I have ever thrown

[@Jaazens]

Thanks for the great info. 🙂 I sunk my Invictus in River recently(Too deep to recover it 😭).Thus waiting for the new PD to become available and replace it, lets see how it goes.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

The PD is a really nice OS Control Driver! And imo it's more comfortable than an Invictus. You would for sure enjoy it!

[@parpalsdiscgolf96]

Pd don’t compare to the invitcus trust me you don’t want one of them pds

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

@@parpalsdiscgolf96 This is true... If you are wanting something like your Invictus, then yes, a PD won't really compare... You are better off grabbing another Invictus that was similar. But if you are wanting something that is more overstable than an Invictus and want to try something new to put in that slot, then the PD is worth a try!

[@BryceRogers_]

Nice review / comparison!! I totally thought an Anax would be more dissimilar. Thanks for showing the rim shapes

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah, I had never thrown an Anax before! I think there are all kinds of Anax's out there, I have heard of people that have them that flip, and on the other hand there are ones that are like a PD for Paul and can handle his power!

[@sunesnigel]

I'd be cool if you tried the Innova Starfire. It sounds like it's the over lost similar to the PD. Think they are all sub 170 grams. Not sure you'll notice though.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

It’s been a long time since I have thrown a star fire! I think those are just a little less stable on average than the PD! I think the original PD was a Firebird bottom with a star fire top though! I could be wrong, but I thought it was something like that!

[@sunesnigel]

@@ApolloDiscGolf cool! I do like the top of the Star fire. It's probably my straightest fore hand disc. Not sure i need PD if it's more stable, i got a KP Stål, it's pretty stable. Anyhow, thanks for your great videos.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

@@sunesnigel No problem! Glad you enjoy them! And yeah, the PD is pretty beefy! I have to put everything behind it if I want it to go straight for any kind of distance at all before hooking!

[@enphernoe3963]

Lol I just watch your vids to see them courses. Love Olathe! Nice review.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Thank you! and for sure. There are so many good courses in the KC area!

[@ForehandDiscReviews]

Just wondering is it worth having a raptor and an Anax in my bag if I only forehand? I seem to just get a better release from the raptor. My Anax is a pretty flat BigZ and I can see maybe if I want it to go straighter a little further and not dump as hard but I think as shown in this video the Anax being wider I seem less consistent with it vs my raptor.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

I think they are different enough to bag them both! the Raptor would be shorter with a harder finish, and the Anax would be better to shape shots with and go a bit further than the Raptor! But yeah, the larger diameter might throw you off until you get use to it!

[@ForehandDiscReviews]

@@ApolloDiscGolf thanks for the reply I was at first thinking like I can use my Anax over my force but then I just seem to throw my force better and further so I kinda go from raptor to force instead of having that third option of raptor, Anax, force

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

@@ForehandDiscReviews Yeah I can see that. The Force is definitely a longer Raptor. The Anax might be better for straighter shots that the Raptor and Force both hook up a little too much. especially when the Anax beats in a little more. But then again, you don't HAVE to bag the Anax if you don't feel like you need it! There is nothing saying you have to have the Anax in the bag if you can shred without it! I'm all about minimizing the bag!

[@ForehandDiscReviews]

@@ApolloDiscGolf thanks man ya maybe if I had a beat in Anax my Anax right now is still basically new maybe 20 throws on it because I rely on my raptor heavily

[@emilkihlberg4236]

Thunderbirds are so money, consistently get mine out to 120-125m on a rope with a touch of fade😍

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Oh yeah… when you can throw these discs that far… that’s when all these discs really shine!

[@akkadian1995]

For me the Anax is money on the backhand but I cannot forehand it well. The PD is the opposite, great forehand and just too beefy for me backhand. Great review as always!

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

I can totally see that! The PD is a solid forehand disc!

[@redsleaves]

I have both Anax and new PD in the bag right now. I keep telling myself they are different enough in flight to justify it. But I might be living a lie. Think I should lose one of them?

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

It's up to you! Personally I think they just cover the same shot but the Anax I had was slightly less overstable than the PD. You could always keep them both in the bag then once the PD breaks in a bit you can drop the Anax then grab another PD and bag two of those, one beefy and one broken in... But there is no rule that says you can't bag both! Disc golf is a big mental game! So if it makes you feel better to have both in the bag then do it! lol

[@czbeasley]

I have no idea why, but every Anax I’ve owned (3 I think) have gone flippy within a month or so. Like, totally pop up and hold a turn. I think I’m a curse to Anaxes. Don’t let me throw yours

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Lol, I will keep that in mind!

[@ScroDiddly]

My big Z ANAx is probably too 3 overstable discs in my bag. Guess I got that luck. I want it to flip but no way, not yet!

[@czbeasley]

@@ScroDiddly I will say, I threw a big z for a month or two and it never got flippy. It was the ESP ones that flipped after a week.

[@jeremyroethel9849]

Proton Teslas have been serving me soooo well during the PD drought..

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

I haven’t thrown too much MVP/Axiom! I may have to check it out

[@reidkemp]

You got the wrong run of invictus. Some of those Ricky star ones have tons of bubbles in the rim, and are not at stable as the normal ones. The ones you want are normal no-bubble star with flat/neutral top, or flatter champion ones. Beefy

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah, that's what I thought! I was totally expecting it to be a beef cake. I had never thrown them before, and this is the only one I found!

[@ScroDiddly]

I use an ANAX for what I would use instead of a PD it's a Big Z and it is very fast and stable. pD I'd just too much hookup for me. Though I want one anyway!

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah the PD is pretty beefy! the Anax has a pretty good balance between over stability and distance!

[@ScroDiddly]

@@ApolloDiscGolf my big Z ANAx is CRAZY stable. Pink with the warrior graffix....

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

@@ScroDiddly Yeah, I think the Big Z ones are for sure more overstable! The ESP ones I had were definitely not as beefy as the PD. They still had a good amount of stability. just not the PD's level of stability!

[@jonathanmusser7109]

The word your looking for the anax is glide. Not speed. Its glider that's why it flies straighter longer haha

[@MikeKrueger-c7k]

It's a STARFIRE!!!

[@Greldek]

You can't mention Discraft inconsistencies in runs and not mention the same for Innova...

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

That’s just what I heard. I haven’t heard anything about the Invictus, probably becuase not many people throw them… But I did mention you can find beefier ones of all of them. And every company has inconsistencies! Innova is just the only company that gets a bad rap for it

[@josephmcgowan4436]

that invictus said "TREE TREEEEE"

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah... Wasn't the best of throws! lol

[@josephmcgowan4436]

@@ApolloDiscGolf na brother, solid throw sucky release 😅

[@MegaLaban12345]

Aw yiss! This is going to be interesting.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

💪🏼💪🏼

[@dustintapp5230]

Thunderbirds/thunderbuddies for life

[@toddkauk6099]

S Line PD is straight money, hated the hand feel of the Anax and sold it off. Weirdly deep and domey, it was definitely not for me. I love my Vultures though for both BH and FH.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah the Anax has a very unique shape to it... And the Vulture is solid too! That's another one with the larger diameter

[@toddkauk6099]

@@ApolloDiscGolf Exact same diameter as the Anax though.

[@remmer3380]

A beat up PD is worth the seasoning

[@jaimeperry7326]

A really light weight one works pretty well while seasoning a normal PD ...

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah I have heard that! I have never put the time in to beat one up though! lol

[@ScroDiddly]

@@ApolloDiscGolf slamming it into trees help!

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

@@ScroDiddly absolutely! lol

[@ScroDiddly]

My Big Z ANAx flies just like a new PD with my arm speed (330ft)

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah, that doesn't surprise me that the Big Z's are more overstable and closer to a PD! The Big Z discs are usually more overstable, aren't they?

[@FearTheWeird300]

I think an Orc would be similar

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Is the Orc still in production? I haven’t seen those around in a while!

[@subspaceanomaly]

Great disc, lost mine and never got around to replacing it, think I just throw a destroyer instead