FD vs Crave // Which Is The Better Workhorse Driver?

[@Cristopher1976]

It's the fd for me. The crave is a solid disc but I just prefer the feel of the fd. I bag 3. The s line, the show stopper, and c line. I play lots of wooded courses and fairways take up a lot of my bag.

[@montebirdie]

I love the Chroma. It flies like a new Night Strike 1 or a used NS2

[@MegaLaban12345]

The crave feels great for forehands to me, which is something I have not found in a slower fairway before. For that reason I think I will stick to the crave for that slot for a long time.

[@TM-DGG]

It's always a passion.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Another one I need to try for this slot!

[@tough101]

A little faster though

[@quintlangstaff6383]

I've been agonizing over which of these to get try! Thanks so much for the video!

[@akkadian1995]

I'm glad you compared these two. Both great discs. I prefer the feel of the FD and the c-line can also be used to throw a bomb forehand turnover (hyzer to flat to drift) which is a hard attribute to find. I never had much luck trying to flick a crave but most people probably don't care about that.

[@benschikker833]

I personally throw my Cosmic Neutron Crave on forhand all the time, and my flipper Neutron on forhand in the woods too. Just gotta throw it smooth.

[@curtisridenour]

I find my Fission Crave to fly quite nice on a forehand up here in Denver.

[@jeffgray5295]

I just played water works for the first time yesterday. Beautiful course! Nice vid. Thanks for the info.

[@brandonbensel3536]

I bag FDs for this slot. One S line that I'm beating in and one chroma as the overstable FD. I throw more fairways than anything else, and I think my most thrown disc is probably my S line FD. I also like that the FD1 is there to give you an overstable complement with pretty similar feel and the same plastic options. Looking forward to seeing the other plastic options that come over time.

[@montebirdie]

Discmania has newly produced the FD (OS to US) in C-Line, C-Line Metal Flake, C-Line Chroma, Swirly S-Line, and S-Line. The C-Line Color Glow is available in very limited quantities and haven’t thrown that one yet

[@tobiasdrees9924]

Oh...you have to try the color glow one. Its the perfect stablility. Also a good feeling.

[@RichKent]

I bag a C-line FD and a Proton Crave. I find the crave is easier for me to forehand accurately down tight tree corridors whereas the FD is better for reliable 300’ - 350’ straight backhands in the open. FD fights wind a bit better. I have 2 Craves and both are a little flippy backhand compared to my FDs. Regarding FD plastic- it’s available in Color Glow C-line (more stable), Metal flake, stock C-line, Chroma, S-line, and Swirly S-line. I’m sure the Horizon version is coming too but FD already comes in a bunch of plastic. I’d imagine the Color glow C-line FDs stability gives the FD the edge in filling the most slots with one mold. On the other end the lighter weight S-line Ella Hansen FDs are flippy out of the box.

[@LearyTheCablGiDiscGolf]

I’ve been team crave for a year now. This disc is just too good in the woods to pass up. The new protons and cosmic neutrons can handle some snap while the other plastics can go laser straight or be a crazy good flippy fairway. My favorite part about the crave is the fact that they are so controllable with near distance driver distance. This unique attribute (which is also in the FD) makes them absolute weapons for those wooded par 4’s that demand both distance and accuracy off the tee.

[@JasonLuther1]

Love seeing content with my favorite local course. Just finished a round at waterworks

[@joe-neilsolan]

The crave is one of my favorite discs, but I do think that the stability of MVP plastic is a little more unpredictable. Disc Golf Down Under made a great video comparing all the different MVP plastics and found very little conclusive evidence to say that one was more overstable than the other, especially when it comes to Proton/Neutron/Prism/Plasma. The only real way of knowing is to get a bunch of craves in different plastics and try them out, which is great but not necessarily something everyone can do. I think C-Line and S-Line plastic is a little more reliable in terms of stability, you know you're getting a more overstable/understable disc depending on the line that you choose.

[@neverlayup]

I think MVP varies more person to person. I think the rotation that someone puts on a disc is more important when it comes to MVP because of the overmold. Just my $.02

[@andreasericsson6989]

That's because MVP discs are smaller. Smaller diameter and lower profile. Micro-errors in the molding process have a greater impact on smaller diameter discs. Latitude64 made a video of why disc molding is *never* perfect. One reason is that to get it perfect, the type of plastic one would have to use would be medical grade (basically used for bypass surgeries, to be inserted into blood vessels), and discs would cost a solid $1000 a piece. Oh, you also can't add colors, because colors mess up the plastic to some extent too. MVP also complicates the molding process somewhat by having their overmold. The overmold process causes a stressline on the disc, because plastic polymers end up shortened when they get heated beyond a certain point (and they do get heated when the overmold is added, or there would be two distinct layers of plastic and you'd be able to rotate the overmold around the... errr... undermold?). That stressline also means MVP discs, or rather, overmold discs in general, break in *much* faster. That stressline will be like a 1000-ish molecules wide layer of significantly harder plastic, which will cause treehits, rockhits, baskethits etc to simply do more damage to the edge of the bevel. The bevel's edge ends up between a rock and a hard place, quite literally, whereas non-overmold discs will eat up some of the impact by flexing throughout the entire disc, like an impact zone in a car. Not necessarily a bad business strategy, since discgolfers tend to love their beaten in old discs but also get spares for them in case they get *too* beat in, but it does make it tricky to consistently trust them when they're just one hit away from flying almost like a totally different disc.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

I think any disc can vary even within plastics, but some plastics are generally more overstable or understable. But the best way to tell within the same plastic is the wing height which I explain in a couple videos!

[@natemaas1982]

I bag 2 craves. I have a “domey” fission crave that is a bit flippy then I have a board flat plasma crave that has just a slight amount of turn to it.

[@edwardgaffney8148]

Crave all day!! The disc that got me started with MVP. Heavier neutron for stability, light, beat-in Proton for gentle right turn, workhorse is cosmic neutron at 168g.

[@RossLager]

THANK YOU! I have been searching for a good video to compare these two discs since I am on the fence on which one I want to bag. Great stuff as always.

[@CasualRelief]

I was testing this after this video, I have a couple FDs and picked up an R2 crave. The flights are a little different for me. The s-line FD is a flippy long turn over disc, the c-line just flies strait as an arrow, it might drift a little if you really spin it, but mostly it's just strait. I recently tried out the Cicada and found it flippier than both FDs. But I fount the R2 crave to be kinda a goldie locks right between the FDs, it was pretty easy to flip up and would do the late flight drift if you hit it a little harder. Realistically this R2 crave could replace both the FDs.

[@sc3639]

I bag the craves. The crave was the disc that I learned the hyzer flip on. It made me fall in love with the game. I like the flatter crave feel. It feels the best in my hand. I have tried FDs but they are not for me.

[@jasonsmith2401]

Right now I’m using the Crave. I started with the Crave in this slot, went to the FD for around six months, now I’m back to the Crave. I throw the FD farther, but the Crave more consistent. I have small hands, so yeah I pretty much agree with everything you said. Ive tried the River several times but it is really inconsistent for me.

[@noahpierce454]

I bought a C-line FD from Play It Again Sports and that thing is such a beef cake! It practically flies like a firebird. I love the color and the plastic though so it is currently holding the spot of an overstable fairway.

[@drewg3087]

I bag both and a buzzz and a passion. So I’m fully committed.

[@Cory2G]

Oh nice I just bought both of these the other day. Perfectly timed video

[@LimeS9696]

Just want to say you have the best channel for disc reviews. Btw can you review more of Kastaplast? Maybe the Reko?

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Thank you! And I will have to check out the Reko, I have had a few people recommend me to check that one out!

[@LimeS9696]

@@ApolloDiscGolf Nice! Reko K3 Hard is my favorite putting putter.

[@leanin2it]

The Leopard3 is the disc for me in this slot. These are nice discs too, though I go up to the Insanity if I need a touch more speed

[@froki7254]

Gotta try the chroma FD! They are super money

[@skywalkersongs649]

Another great video thanks Apollo DG. My favorite disc is the Mindbender and have been trying the crave and fd. How do you feel these fairways fit with the MB? Thanks 😊

[@joedale2785]

I throw a river and love it! What would be a reason to try the Crave or FD over the river in your opinion?

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

I think they would all be pretty similar! The only reason I think would be if one feels better in the hand than the River!

[@joedale2785]

@DGwithZatch appreciate that! I am going to try out the new Frost River when it comes in Nov. Hopefully it has just a tick more stability so I can fill a larger gap but keep the same feel.

[@daniellarrabee9741]

Great video, I used to throw rivers now I throw fds for feel purposes. Never tried a crave but I like my line up. Saints are my step up and they fly and feel the same in my opinion as fds just 30-60 ish feet farther. I'm curious what your in the bag looks like now a days man could be a cool video with all the changes as of late.

[@danielcraven4939]

the prodigy f3 is my go to and its because the number of plastics you can get it in gives you every shot from "teebird" to "leopard"

[@neverlayup]

I tried two different fd but i didnt really like them when compared to my craves. My fd had more dome and i just didnt like it. I will pull them out next year though and try them again but for now i will be throwing craves. I have been really liking the fareways from prodigy as well. I have been throing thr f3 and f5 a lot. I think i might get a f7 to throw rollers with as well.

[@adamgrigsby3744]

Most underrated fairway imo has to be the Westside stag😤

[@StuffnJunk26]

Larger diameter disc means: more torque/power as the moment of inertia is a bit more; this also means a larger drag/lift; this also means the disc will be slower; and it could also make the disc more difficult to turn-over. I love the crave but it is a very fast disc that kind of needs a more experienced touch to take advantage of it.

[@Tsxtasy1]

2:14 there’s a lot going on but diameter is the easiest way to increase glide without affecting flight too much

[@tonydavila2606]

I hate to say this, because personally, I only bag one discraft disc, no hate just don’t really like their discs. BUT the one that changed everything is the cicada.. the cicada replaced my s line FD. And the s line fd1 replaced the C-Line fd. Cicada is 🐐. It’s basically a c-line FD, with the flight of the S line if not a little straighter. It’s awesome.

[@CatchMeOutside361]

I forehand a cosmic nuetron for straight “tunnel” shots and backhand a Halo TL3 for the same type of shot. For me a I like the slight bit of “extra” fade respectively to compensate for any lack of angle control in my release lol. Either way I’ll have a putt or smooth approach, just one side of the basket or the other 😎🤙 FYI I have a very strong preference in forehanding “FAF” discs lol

[@oakmage]

Definitely prefer the Crave for this slot.

[@Dave-tl7ol]

Currently using a river for the straight slot and a teebird if I need more stability. Love both discs, but haven't have much experience with the fd or crave... would love to try them. Also curious about those swirly fd's

[@billherrera6386]

S line FD and Cosmic Neutron Crave are so similar to me forehand. The S Line sticks to your hand, whereas the Cosmic Neutron seems to flow out nice. The Crave is a little more shallow. Both of them are very workable and bomb. Both have a little turn, fly straight, and have a slight fade. Now backhand, they fly a little different. The S line FD turns a lot more than the Crave and stays straighter a little longer. Distance wise, I have not seen any advantage other than the FD seems to take less effort. Overall, I prefer the Crave and my son prefers the FD. though he uses his Passion more than the FD now. I still think the Crave is the best overall disc due to the ease of throwing and all the weights and plastics available.

[@calebdyer6332]

Id like to see you try drift, maverick, f5, rhythm and other discs in this slot

[@allenhammitt5092]

I bag a Cosmic Neutron and a Sarah Hokom Crave. One has a slight fade, and the other will drift slightly right. Good combo for me. I definitely prefer the hand feel of the Crave.

[@Rambosquirtle]

Which is which for you? I’ve been throwing a hokom neutron for a few months now and it’s still just as stable as when I got it! Love it but also wish it had a little more turn to it lol

[@allenhammitt5092]

@adrianmichael3 My Sarah Hokom is 157 grams and my Cosmic Neutron is max weight. The light weight really seems to make a difference. I do the same thing with the Hex, heavy Proton and Light Fission. My Fission Hex is in the mid 150's. Might be my favorite disc in the bag.

[@Kyle_Phillips]

I think it'd be cool to see another comparison video on the Hawkeye. I love my Halo and Star Hawkeyes and I've found them to be a bit more workable than the new FDs from Discmania.

[@tobiasdrees9924]

The hawkeye is 100% the old fd from innova. They used the mold and gave it a new name

[@bakerby]

In this slot, I throw a River. Although I do occasionally throw a Lucid Air Maverick if there is no wind. I do bag a light weight Hawkeye too, but it does not see much action during game play.

[@jeffwyssenbach4206]

How tries the Hawkeye compare to the Maverick? Why don’t you throw it much?

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

I have heard good things about the Hawkeye! I haven't tried one though

[@bakerby]

@@jeffwyssenbach4206 The Hawkeye is basically Innova’s response to the FD/River. It is a fine disc, I just prefer throwing Rivers. It is funny, I have never done field work where I compare the flights of any of these discs. I just know what discs I like to throw on certain holes at my local courses. I imagine that the Lucid Air Maverick and lightweight Hawkeye have similar flights. You’ve inspired me to pull my Rivers, Mavericks, FD, Crave, and Hawkeye out for my next field work. Thank you.

[@tikimurtaugh4919]

Grackle, frio, and mockingbird for me as far as 7 speed fairways go. But I will be adding a crave and that may bump the mockingbird out

[@winnmcelroy4575]

C-Line FD for me. I’ve tried so hard to like the Crave (I have several), but it just doesn’t feel comfortable in my hand. Personal preference, of course.

[@1andonlyMiro]

I've owned a single S-line Fd and it's the only disc I've ever HATED. It wasn't the discs fault tho "probably" but it was just the exact stability I couldn't handle with my armspeed/technique at the time. Whenever I trusted it to turn, it didn't. Whenever I trusted it to be stable, it flipped over on me.

[@calvindelamere3489]

I've thrown 3 Sarah Hokem Craves that were very understable. They had some finish but just sooo much turn. Someone else in the comments say they are a more overstable run. The point is, god speed to the Crave throwers when it's time for replacement discs.

[@oakmage]

Sarah Hokom Craves are more understable.

[@naonasu6999]

Larger diameter discs have more natural glide compared to a smaller diameter discs shaped the same. Smaller diameter discs tend to feel faster and easier to get up to speed. Westside takes advantage of this by making larger diameter discs combined with a narrower rim to achieve the same speed as other brands. Compare a Westside 12 speed to a Destroyer and you should notice the difference.

[@gtroblq]

The S-LIne FD replaced my Crave. It feels better and once it beats in it just goes laser straight with a slight fade at the end. I had so many MVP discs but they're all out except for the electron Envy.

[@nathanielcrawford5119]

It's the FD for me, the c line is more reliably straight with a light fade at the end and the s line is more flippy and holds Ani lines better

[@metalisit]

I like the River. Have you compared that one to the FD or Crave?

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

I haven't yet! It's been a long time since I have thrown a River... But that's also a great option for this slot!

[@calvindelamere3489]

More understable than FD for sure. River is pretty close to an Essence IMO - maybe a touch more stable but these cover the same slot. River may be closest to the show stopper run of FD however which I have not thrown

[@jamesstricklin4056]

I tried to like the feel of the crave bc of Simon but I just don’t like how flat they are fd just gets it done for me on bh/fh

[@tobiasdrees9924]

I think, the crave is more understable in most of the plastics than the fd. I could'nt throw a good flex line with crave till yet. Just in generel i think most of the axiom/mvp discs are either very understable or very overstable. There is little in between. Also the feeling of the fd is a better. But thats just my personal preference of course.

[@devinnorth6190]

Have you tried the new Halloween glow R2 crave? Curious how it compares to the other plastics!

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

I have not! Unfortunately I missed that drop...

[@travnasty5269]

The crave and fd are VERY different discs. Even at 350 to 380 the fd is just laser beam straight for me but the crave has a nice s shape flight. I do not at all think they serve the same purpose. I do like the crave as an overall disc more currently but the fd is better in a lot of situations.

[@calvindelamere3489]

This was my experience too - turn was high which made the discs touchy and unpredictable. Probably just the discs I tried though - the wind in the video would uncover this if thrown at slower speeds too.

[@jonc9922]

Might be time to go to harbor freight and pick up some calipers. Crave is more consistent for me and forehands better also

[@SoCal2420]

Def the C Line FD for me. It's a little bit flatter and more stable than the S Line. Crave isn't even an option cuz the FD fights wind better and I can do more with it.

[@Thenamesnelson]

Nothing against Discmania but there is no way that they have or will have more versatility with the FD. MVP produces their popular discs in all of their available plastics, with a very consistent options of lighter weights. You can get a Crave in Neutron, Cosmic Neutron, R2 Neutron, Proton, Fission, Plasma and Eclipse. These are readily available and they run multiple plastics all of the time. Discmania's new discs are often near max weight, they come in 2 stock run plastics, C-line and S-line, with much more limited runs of alternative plastics like Metal Flake C line, and Swirly S line.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

But that's because they just took manufacturing in house so they are still building everything back up and getting all their previous molds in the new process. Give them a few years and I bet they will have their staples pretty readily available in all their different plastics!

[@aviserig]

I bag a beat up Crave, and a real flat C-Line FD.

[@ronmellen-stier1081]

As a former FD thrower, the crave is easier to get going and at 7ish speed that extra touch matters.

[@dgmalte]

I dont think that the versitility for the FD was fair rated. You tried more Craves! My S-Line FD was really flippy out of the box. Still a awesome video, keep up the great work

[@TMRaven]

I'm not a fan of Fission plastic, I've found it beats in really fast, and isn't as good for long-usage cycling like Neutron and Cosmic Neutron. My fission reactor went from a 0/1 to a -2/1 within 4 months or so.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

That's why I love the Fission ones, because they can get really flippy to be the easy turnover fairways pretty quick!

[@julianseyal]

Is it redundant to bag the bear, fd1, crave, and strike.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Bear, fd1, and crave are all different.. a minimalist would say the bear and FD1 were close enough to where you can kick one out… but that’s preference to how granular you want your bag to be! The striker I haven’t thrown… so I can’t say!

[@julianseyal]

@@ApolloDiscGolf it’s the birdie disc golf strike not the striker. Threw the strike and it flew like a more reliable and slightly further FD1 but very similar to FD1. I got the 169g FD1 s line from you and the first run birdie in 174g but the birdie felt more torque resistant and slightly faster. Do you ever have interest in trading discs for sale or just trading?

[@A.M03]

FD all day. C line FD1 > C line FD > S line FD. All the 7's you need

[@SoCal2420]

💯

[@evanstanek5838]

Seems like the Cicada fits into this conversation as well. Just a note for others here, the Sara Hokom craves are quite overstable, and you can tell just by holding them, the parting line is very high and they fly accordingly. That said, it's a forehand friendly variant on the mold

[@calvindelamere3489]

I've thrown 3 and all were suuuper understable. More understable than River, Essence, etc.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Yeah I really want to try out the Cicada!

[@Jams103]

Using a exodus in this slot, beat up my i-blend enough to where it'll flip if I put enough power into it plus it feels great to forehand. Never tried the crave or fd though, would you say they're similar in stability to an exodus or not really?

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

I have only tried the Splatter S-Blend Exodus and I would compare that to the Proton Crave or C-Line FD. It definitely is on the more stable side of this slot!

[@Jams103]

@@ApolloDiscGolf might have to hunt down an s-blend exodus to pair with my i-blend, thanks for the reply!

[@Grannyknockers]

I will never understand how people get consistent releases with rims as shallow as mvp/axiom’s. Can’t bag any of their discs cause I just can’t grip onto them.

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

They do have some deeper stuff! Like their Volt's aren't very shallow!

[@nowandlatergator]

How does the Stag stack up against these?

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

I haven't thrown a stag in a long time! So I can't say for sure. but I would think they are pretty similar!

[@bensieber6960]

River for everything except strong headwind. Best fairway ever.

[@jefft.7180]

NOW DO THE CICADA

[@stighelmer1265]

Its the Hawkeye. The previous FD.

[@danimal519]

really surprised at how popular the crave is... maybe i got a broken one but it's the worst disc i've ever owned haha. (the black one that came with PDGA membership). Chunky, slow, short, beefy, no glide, awful feeling in hand ....

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

The PDGA membership discs are never really that great from my experience 😂

[@choseneball3526]

more throws lol

[@dougbutabi5085]

FD and Crave are completely different discs lol crave is way more understable

[@HoffaJedi]

Crave by 100 miles