The New 2024 Fiat 500e Is a Sexy City-Sized EV But Is It Too Expensive To Succeed?

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[@glennkennedy441]

I too am a fan boy of sub compacts and this is the one I've been waiting for! I was very excited to see your review posted tonight, thanks for making my day !

[@basvijn]

We own the new 500e in Europe. It is a really good electric car and we love it. Good for city driving but also very nice to drive on the highway. Has level 2 autonimous driving which works fine. If you have owned the previous 500 model (petrol or EV) this is a Hugh step forward.

[@kenmcclow8963]

I had a 2013 500e and the sales lady fit in the back seat just fine. I had a friend who had a kid that was 8-10 years old and she liked riding back there, but most of the time I kept the rear seats down and that makes a really great cargo area. I used it to take my folding e-bikes to trails. If they made the front passenger seat fold it would be even better.

[@tianyuli8335]

I am still waiting for my RED order to be built and shipped. It is perfect for NY city.

[@TheRealAlpha2]

"Guy wheeling a scooter. Only in Miami." ...and certain parts of the Bronx. I really considered getting one of the previous 500e way back before covid, (I think the golfball dimples were inspired by that one Mythbusters episode.) I didn't have easy access to a charger unfortunately and charging infrastructure _still_ doesn't seem ideal, but I like that they're back with the new one as someone who likes small cars.

[@guillermovalientetorres7840]

Brilliant car, I love those lovely European city cars, planning on getting one

[@buddy1155]

The coolest you can't get:in the US, the new Renault 5

[@alexibarra4675]

Yeah… I’ll wait for someone else to buy one and trade. Buy depreciated at like $17K ish I’m thinking

[@buddy1155]

I don't know about the US market but in Europe you can get a used Telsa for 17k but absolutely not (the old) 500e, if you can even find one. People seem to keep them.

[@alexibarra4675]

@buddy1155 There are a few for sale in my area holding at around $7.5K-$8K US. I keep an eye on them and there always at least one for sale.

[@buddy1155]

@@alexibarra4675 Mmm.. that is interesting, Really bummer that container shipping has become so expensive otherwise I might have looked into exporting them back to Europe. Are you on the good coast (east) for exporting to Europe?

[@alexibarra4675]

@buddy1155 Unfortunately for you, I'm in LA. Which is probably also why there are so many available. In the States, Cali ran an incentive program that encouraged a lot of people to buy into the 500e line

I love this car. homelike the old BMW I3

[@user-ss3ud7pp7f]

I think these are great. Fold those back seats down and you got a great hatchback that’s a blast to drive. I had the previous model it was a blast. This should be even better..

[@thebagnechannel3183]

I dig it. It looks like a fun runabout for around town.

[@waynewallace2061]

So if you're in the heat using the ac full blast the range is maybe 120mi.?

[@jackalclone1]

We preorder the new rose gold trim ("Inspired by Beauty"). However, after meeting with the local dealer, even with the 7500 lease credit through Stellantis, lease was still quoted over 600/mo for 10000mi 36mo term (before credit check, just their best estimate). And that was even with a $3000 trade in credit (old Fiat 500) on top of that. The MSRP and terrible lease numbers are going to ruin the success of this car before it even gets off the starting line. I'm genuinely offended by the pricing of this car being a long-time Fiat fan.

[@Techkygeek]

That's a shame. I owned a Bolt for a year and a half but realized I don't actually need all that range and smaller would be more useful for my city driving. This is the perfect range and size and presumably a nicer interior for about the same price as my Bolt was, but a $600/mo lease is nuts

[@tianyuli8335]

Is it because of the high interest rate? The residual value should not be that low.

[@fortheloveofnoise9298]

Yes, needs to be priced like the upcoming Renault Twingo EV

[@user-ib6fu3ux1q]

Looks like a good city car for one or two people. Price is too high. As mentioned by another poster, buy on the used market in a few years.

[@AnodeEV]

Having driven the 500e and owned the previous Mini Cooper Electric, which one would you rather purchase to cruise around the city?

[@teddysdadcory]

Price is fine, but the range will kill it before it can even get started.

[@UGABrother]

I'm glad to see it in the US. I love my Mini Cooper SE, but if the Fiat 500e had existed last year I would have been torn on which one to get.

[@krane15]

American bottoms are too big for this car.

[@jonperkins8696]

if it had about 52kw battery....I would consider it....I like the looks much better than the Kona.....which i think is fugly....but with the longer range.....

[@1tarras]

happy with my Honda Jazz Crosstar 2023 Hybrid,more interior room,more safetys(10 airbags) and utillities,reliable and build quality.for 32 000 E.

[@Cowboy_moonman396]

A version of this emulating the 1959 fiat jolly would be nice! Especially since the sound is gone, needs some soul injected back into it!

[@rp9674]

Good city car or country car or anything car, except frequent long trips

[@toyotaprius79]

It's too expensive here in Europe because Fiat wants the affluent MINI buyers. The 500e should come as a Giardinia eatate. It should offer a mid teir baytery between 24kWh and 44kWh And above all else, a Panda version on the same platform

[@chm2]

Maybe there will be a dual motor AWD Abarth version

[@mcnuggetapple]

The abarth version isn’t coming here as well as the one available in Europe being slow

[@krane15]

And where would the motor go? replace the boot?

[@user-do9ir8lv2m]

@@krane15 That is the TRUNK, a boot you put on your foot...

[@papasquat355]

I just hate seeing a car that should be in the low $20K range priced out in the mid to high $30K range. It is a limited use car (urban, errand runner). I can't see spending that much when I can get (eventually) the XC30 for the same price.

[@toyotaprius79]

Yeah, MINI

[@ToothyFilms]

The MSRP doesn't match the size and that was even truer for the original Fiat 500e. Best to get them on lease, if in CA where they handed those out like candy. Or to buy them used with a marked depreciation. We purchased an off lease low mileage Fiat500e for 10K. Which at that point made more sense.

[@krane15]

Year = 2024. Sorry to have to be the one to disillusion you.

[@JogBird]

if they priced it rasonably, they would have to make more.. which isnt the point of this car, it only exists to comply with fleet requirements for manufacturers.. they want to sell as few as possible and use the limited battery available to sell $100k pickup trucks and suvs

[@rp9674]

No ev in low $20k, all fantasy

[@sonofagun1037]

no more washing machine dash layout =(

[@speterbilt]

Till all that fine Italian electronics start breaking

[@daniilrusanau5849]

Thought it’s built in Poland on their Stellantis factory, but smart people corrected me already- turns out in Italy. Good review 👍🏻

[@hpieroni]

get your facts right the ice old version is built in Poland

[@daniilrusanau5849]

@@hpieroni apologies, you absolutely are right!

[@TFLEV]

Thanks for the info!

[@mrgurulittle7000]

Love it. It’s actually affordable and functional at the same time. Short range means less expensive and less charging time which is good for short trips, which is what EVs are good for.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@@nevco8774That Citroen Ami is a joke. This Fiat 500 is a proper EV that doesn’t lug around a huge expensive battery like a Tesla. Nice charming EV. Maybe the only EV with charm.

[@mrgurulittle7000]

@@nevco8774”lots of ugliness” Definitely agree.😂👍

[@allentechpt9026]

Any car can make short range trips. You don't need to spend $35,000 on an "affordable" EV.

[@allentechpt9026]

@@nevco8774 Who said anything about 2-3 year old car or "clunkers"? $35,000 is 2x the price of basically any new model sub-compact ICE car.

[@allentechpt9026]

@@nevco8774 There are many, many "decent" ICE cars for well under $35,000. Besides that, setting "decent" as a standard when talking about a Fiat is rather humorous.

[@directorjustin]

For the price of a loaded 500e, it's competing with a base Tesla Model 3 which has more range, nearly double the acceleration, more interior space, an extra set of doors, more cargo space, nicer interior materials, and the second lowest probably of injury in an accident by the NHTSA.

[@caterthun4853]

Too too expensive. Otherwise It's ideal for the elderly driver..If price lower it would sell in thousands.

[@erniearruda8861]

Guido and Luigi 😆

[@ToothyFilms]

We purchased our stepdaughter who was in High School at the time an off-lease low mileage Fiat 500e which depreciated, and we were able to get at $10000k. Frankly it's the perfect car for a teenager. The range was fine for her to drive to school and in town trips and it charged overnight on level 1. She loved it, loved the looks and size and she kept with the electric motif and now drives a BMW IX which she uses as a tax write-off for her business. What was unique was that we bought the car in Colorado and the dealer had them shipped out to Denver due to them being a glut in California. If we lived in CA, I remember at the time seeing those $99 leases and would have leased her one.

[@panemon187]

When covering EVs it would be nice if you knew what battery chemistry is being used, how many charging cycles, energy density in wh/kg, cooling features, preconditioning features, battery c-rate, who makes the battery, etc. Please consider providing this info in future videos. For $35k i can buy a low mileage, used Kia Ev6 with a 310 mile range. This car is too expensive.

[@nevco8774]

The answer to the question in the title is in your TFL studios - the original FIAT 500 bought to be as a cool decoration. So if original can be a show off why new one shouldn't be used as a real city commuter?

[@donellclemons2195]

This car is a joke. The bolt is a much better buy.

[@krane15]

Far better. Provided GM brings it back.

[@rp9674]

I have a 23 bolt EV and a 2015 Fiat 500e, the Fiat is much more fun to drive, even feels quicker off the line

[@nevco8774]

In California this car is a much better deal in the big cities than Toyota Mirai by driving which you might not find Hydrogen for refueling due to closing, broken, out of order stations. This one can be charged overnight even from a regular outlet.

[@felixruiz2838]

Will they have gas version again ??

[@krane15]

A teeny car? What happens when the Fiat 500e meets a Escalade IQ in a narrow alley with no passing room? Well its a lot of things but sexy isn't one of them.

[@rp9674]

What happens when an Escalade IQ meets a semi head-on

[@ien2023]

Interior needs to be white and it should be under $30k. The gas of these car were under $20k

[@volvo09]

White interiors look like an apple store, I can't stand them.

[@krane15]

After all, its just good for commuting.

[@joemartino6976]

Agreed! A small, relatively inexpensive EV may be the best application for electric vehicles. We have an over-abundance of large/expensive/complex vehicles that are out of reach for most people. I really don't care about the next high priced EV and I say that as the owner of a BMW i4 for a year and a half now. Small, inexpensive, uncomplicated EV's should be a focal point for auto manufacturers. Get the price down more, worry more about charging infrastructure than range and, I think, the market will grow.

[@JogBird]

isnt this a compliance vehicle so they can continue to sell $100k pickup trucks and SUVs

[@krane15]

Point being?

[@rp9674]

Compliance Vehicles should be judged on its own merits still a vehicle

[@pernell4351]

I like the car nice will just check it out on the leasing.

[@allentechpt9026]

Regenerative braking should primarily be done when applying the brake pedal, not automatically with one pedal driving. I know EV buyers love one pedal driving, but aggressive one pedal driving can be dangerous, particularly in the city. You can't maintain speed and cover the brake pedal at the same time, reducing your reaction time. This is one of the reasons Tesla has such extremely high accident rates.

[@kendrick5909]

In driving school, you are taught when and where to cover the brake pedal, like around pedestrians or when a driver is sitting in a car that is parallel parked.

[@Black-Villain]

I disagree, having blended braking can make the brake pedal very unpredictable in a lot of cars (like in the Maverick Hybrid where it feels like you're slamming on the brakes below ~7mph and it's extremely hard to stop smoothly), I prefer having the brake pedal just connected hydraulically, and leave the gas pedal lift-off for regen... gives you more braking confidence when you need it. If you make the regen strong enough, it should be able to bring the vehicle to a stop quickly and smoothly, especially once you get used to it.

[@allentechpt9026]

@@Black-Villain That is a separate issue that isn't found in all cars with regenerative braking. Regardless, one pedal driving shouldn't replace covering your brake pedal. Regenerative braking is not meant for emergency stops. It shouldn't matter how smooth it is or isn't, an emergency stop is an emergency stop. The faster you stop, the better.

[@Black-Villain]

@@allentechpt9026 Exactly, regen doesn't replace emergency stops, that's what your brake pedal is for. If you have your foot off of the gas pedal while regen-ing anyway, there's no reason you can't cover the brake pedal for an emergency stop. I did this the few times back when I had my i3 and was driving downtown in urban areas

[@stgeorgee]

tell me you don't know what you are talking about, without tell me you don't know what you are talking about.

[@Rudenbehr]

Too small.

[@rallycobra5738]

No

[@chemjam92]

What about the Nissan Leaf?

[@markcoopers1930]

It's Nissan leaf-ing

[@krane15]

Discontinued.

[@chemjam92]

@@krane15 2024 Nissan Leaf is still available.

[@davidmilhouscarter8198]

Leasing a vehicle is the most expensive way to operate one. Facts are your friends.

[@markcoopers1930]

Not in all cases. It's a case by case basis. Depreciation, residual values, maintenance, and in this case credits can all impact whether a lease is cheaper or more expensive than purchasing both over the lease term and over a long term ownership period.

[@David_Journey]

lease happens to qualify for EV tax credit which most lease companies pass on. If you buy, you need to comply with income limits to qualify for federal EV tax credits.

[@RoughNeckDelta]

For the poors, yes, but if you have the money it's not like you're not getting any benefits. And also, some lease deals are too good to pass up, like the current deal on Ioniq 6's

[@van_trippin5260]

It was never a 'gas' pedal, what car is powered by gas?

[@krane15]

Its not horse power either. Now how do you like those apples?

[@van_trippin5260]

@@krane15 ooooh burn 🙄

[@katieking7671]

The Colors is ugly

[@ctclardy]

Clown Car!

[@krane15]

LOL, that's how North Americans see them.

[@katieking7671]

Ban trucks

[@kennethjinkins8967]

junk .... tell us all your lies

[@madonnasplasticsurgery]

If they 2017 bolt was able to get 238 miles of range, how is this only able to get 100 something? I understand it’s a little shorter, but the difference is startling. Good effort though

[@RoughNeckDelta]

I think the bolt has a back seat that's actually usable, so it's a bigger car. This fiat is really a two seater with a usable trunk (when you fold down the rear).

[@toyotaprius79]

We would've killed for the Chevy Bolt in Europe and only a very few Opel Amperas were imported before GM sold off Opel and Vauxhall to PSA now Stellantis.

[@HDHQDIRECT]

Fiat created a new category under compact and sub compact, known as Circus. 🎪