The New American Catholic (NBC, 1968)

This documentary covers experimental movements that emerged in the American Catholic Church in the wake of the 2nd Vatican Council, exemplifying what is today called the "spirit" of Vatican 2. Note: the liturgies filmed in this documentary use the 1964 Missal, not the Mass of Paul VI (Ordinary Form), which would be promulgated in 1969 and implemented in 1970.
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[@josef27]

As a millennial who grew up in a stripped down suburban church that felt more like a dentist's waiting room than a sacred space, I find this documentary fascinating but also horrifying. When I was a teenager I thought guitars and pianos and hand clapping were so corny that it made me not take religion seriously. It took me a long time to come back to it because of that. So many things were destroyed in the mid-20th century and it's a shame that even Christianity was so badly damaged by the social revolutions of the times. I hope we can undo some of that damage in this century.

[@ragejinraver]

Same story from a fellow millennial it's horrible thank God for the Traditional Latin Mass

[@righteousgod8376]

I was a small child when the reforms hit and still have faint memories of watching adults strip our parish Church of statues, repainting, removing the communion rail, the historic pews. The 'rekification' in the Spirit of Vatican II' was cringe. Growing up in the 1970s/80s Church I could tell something was vastly diminished in the Church than what my parents experienced. It's been a slow long journey to study history, theology etc. Attending Latin Mass has helped restore my faith.

[@marywert5988]

I hope you are running to your closest Traditional Latin Mass

[@ARM1NIUS]

agreed...the guitars and pianos are cringe...hopefully you found a traditional latin mass to attend

[@raymondpronovost5491]

@righteousgod8376 same experience. It was systematic auto-demolition. The "spirit" in V2 - is from Hell.

[@timothywilliams1359]

I grew up in Oklahoma in the 1960s. This is the garbage that literally drove me OUT of the Church at age 14. It made me cringe to see men in clerical collars behaving like such fools, and trying to act so hip and groovy. I didn't return to the Church until age 26, after living in France, when I discovered the Traditional Latin Mass.

[@Leocomander]

That’s intense. I will give you though as someone who lives in the midwest Oklahoma had always had a reputation of particularly atrocious liturgical abuses.

[@CatholicNicklas]

The boomer generation and it’s consequences have been a disaster

[@debbiegum2226]

Archdiocese of Chicago ranks up there with liturgical abuses

[@jacksonesq9992]

Absolutely right response, Timothy. Actual Catholics can’t help but be repelled by the Novus Ordo Antichurch.

[@Nobious2]

Noting comment for later

[@sackwhacker]

Watching this feels like watching a train wreck in slow motion and feeling helpless to stop it.

[@richard8242]

Being there felt worse, it was tragic to watch my parents go through it.

[@matthaeusprime6343]

For many years I was a huge fan of horror movies, and this is by far one of the most terrifying films I have ever seen.

[@CopperJenny]

This is heartbreaking. Talk about painful flashbacks.

[@paulawarnes9951]

The saddest story in the world.

[@lauraalmasan3930]

Receiving my first communion in the 70's, I still remember the priest telling me that I can hold out my hand, that this is the new way. Not knowing any better and never learning that the real presence of Christ is in the Eucharist, I thought all religions were equal. When I was 16, I left the Church and did not come back for 30 years. It wasn't until I discovered the Latin mass that I began to feel a real connection to the Church and to God. I feel like I have been cheated out of having a fulfilling life, it saddens me to think how I wasted 30 years of my life.

[@CatholicNeil]

I was confused about our faith until I discovered the Latin Mass and Byzantine Divine Liturgy

[@charlesburns3946]

Yes, I eventually came back to the Latin Mass and the Byzantine Liturgy. I was 19 in 1968 and considered this ridiculous, a new church entirely. I too left for about 30 years and could not accept this hippie nonsense.

[@dps6198]

Where I attend mass the ONLY way to receive the Eucharist is by kneeling at the communion rail and taking it on the tongue on the hand. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3_ZaayXmLyEgJY

[@michaelallen1396]

Daily Mass will make up for all the Communions you missed, 7 days a week for a year is more than 30 years of only Sunday attendance. Holy Communion is powerful, once you get going you find you dread missing Mass any day, I got away from Mass for 16 years so I know how you feel. I am also a child of the 60's and 70's Catholicism. I was raised first grade up to 11 or 12 years old with Latin Mass, it is shocking how far down we've come even since I returned in 1990- Mass is so protestant now with all sense of reverence gone and a deluge of blabber before every Novus Ordo Mass.

[@MC-ln9dj]

I completely agree with you. I left when I was eighteen. Came back last year, after 34 years - through praying the Rosary and discovering The Latin Mass. I NEVER thought I would return to the Catholic Church but I am in awe of the beauty of our faith. All Glory to God!

[@burgy76]

That generation hoped for a groovy renewal, my generation got complete collapse.

[@michaelherrera6993]

No wander my Dad lost his faith 😔 . Free Masonic thinking, man-centered , what man thinks , is better than what GOD calls good , what man FEELS .... even if its sinful, its alright ur already forgiven 🙄 . Protestant , Sunday Catholic way of thinking.... Didn't our Blessed Mother tell us this was going to happen ????? Fatima ???? The Great Apostasy..... People will walk away from the faith.... The Second Vatican was a diabolical attack on the Church . Just look at our " Modern " artwork..... GOD HELP US 🙏

[@reinhardvonhoengramm7842]

Yo! Hello, fellow trad Pittsburgher!

[@jimmyjam209]

What do u mean?

[@andrewrolwes6034]

@@jimmyjam209 I assume he means that all the indicators of the Church's vitality collapsed in the decades since the 2nd Vatican Council. Seminaries closing, religious orders disappearing, sacramental baptism marriage going in to free fall, and the list could continue. If you're a practicing Catholic you likely have many, many relatives who have left or hold heretical beliefs. This is all a tragedy for the Church and what makes it even worse is that the Church is to be the salt of society. If it is no longer 'salt' what happens to the rest of the world? It rots. And this is precisely the reason for the horrible things going on in the world. We have rejected Christ as our King, and so we are ruled over by hateful tyrants.

[@brandywineblue]

Yes, catholics and non catholics of that generation created a dumpster fire and left the next generation to deal with the mess.

[@seanbeh360]

This aged like the finest milk.

[@phyllislucia]

Yes. Cheesy.

[@MarkDiSciullo]

This is exactly how we ended up with a Father James Martin.

[@debbiegum2226]

Mark This☝️☝️☝️👏👏👏

[@jacksonesq9992]

And Antipope Francis.

[@pierrebitcan]

@@jacksonesq9992 He has all the signs of the anti-Chr1st.

[@jacksonesq9992]

@@pierrebitcan Rather, precursor to the Antichrist. Francis is the diabolical ape of John the Baptist. See the Jeremiah Alphonsus channel.

[@MarkEliasGrant]

James Martin is a scholar and a gentleman, and a friend of Pope Francis. Shame on you.

[@billybobthornton8122]

As a millennial, I never knew of the beauty and magnificence of the true Catholic Tradition or the Latin Mass. I grew up in a watered-down, happy-clappy liturgy that was instrumental in my leaving the Church. It wasn't until years later after discovering the Latin Mass and the traditions these traitors removed in the 60's that I found my home in the Catholic Church. And now I'm Catholic, through and through, and will be until my dying day, please God. These liturgical changes in the wake of the Second Vatican Council constituted the biggest robbery in the past 2,000 years.

[@MarkEliasGrant]

There were tons of HORRIBLE rushed Masses prior to Vatican II with bad music and terrible Latin. See: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYG7hKqlich_Zsk

[@IHS333]

I agree, the only reason I started going to the mass was because every novice audio I went to was totally irreverent

[@onthisrock1970]

Bishop James Shannon - resigned from the ministry very shortly after this and civilly married without due church process. He was eventually laicised. Fruits of the Council.

[@bruhidk3069]

he resigned because he opposed Humane Vitae

[@josephconnelly5195]

Getting married at his age? It would be like playing pool with a piece of rope

[@CatholicNeil]

Sounds like Fr James Altman

[@williamofdallas]

William Nerin resigned, laicized, and married too. seems like a trend

[@nocompromisecatholicfaithful]

By their fruits, you will know them.

[@christopher859]

I was born in 1981 into the wreckage that this era left behind. To echo what many others have said the corny music and “hip” priests drove me out of the Church, until in my 30s I discovered the Traditional Mass and found a true connection with God through it. This is a terrifying video.

[@karlheven8328]

I am just discovering all this as a recent 24 yo convert! Thank the Lord for Archishop Lefebrve for preserving the mass

[@briandelaney9710]

The horrible days of the “Spirit of Vatican II”. The implementation of the Council was such a sad and botched affair and the ordinary Catholic laypeople were the victims

[@natecameron8616]

Thanks for posting this, it was impossible to find for several years.

[@georgecherucheril9947]

This is a diabolical and disturbing film. Almost all the radical priests and nuns in this documentary either left holy orders or the Catholic Church or both. They actually teach and sing kumbaya to kids. Kudos to late monsignor Rudolph Bandas for speaking truth. He was the only one. Kudos to Cardinal Mcyintire for rebuking then Bishop James Shannon for this video. Shannon left holy orders shortly after this documentary because he disagreed with the pope on contraception. Kudos again to Cardinal Mcyintire for firing the apostate Sister Anita and her band of wayward nuns.

[@zirious2330]

There’s literally nothing wrong with Kumbaya, it’s a Black Christian hymn.

[@DISTurbedwaffle918]

@@zirious2330 It's heathen garbage

[@karlheven8328]

@@zirious2330 It's not the Kumbaya that is the problem but that it replaces submission to the Lord Christ, it is a different church

[@brandywineblue]

@@zirious2330 Doesn't belong at Mass. Campfires are fine.

[@psychedelicpython]

In 1969 my aunt, who was a nun, came to our house. My mother commented on her yellow dress and asked her if she was still in the convent. She said “Heck no sis, it’s Vatican II, get with the program. We don’t wear those old things anymore.” I was 6 years old at that time and had no idea what Vatican II was. Eventually she left the convent, a life which she had taken her final vows. She married a man who used to be a priest (and still is in my eyes). She gets angry with me for being a traditional Catholic, telling me that was the old religion.

[@mattcommons5033]

There must be someone out there who thinks this is beautiful, and to whom it brings warmth to their heart. Please tell us why.

[@friendlysky7674]

The looks on the childrens faces make me sad.

[@davidmann9548]

God called Vatican 11. We went through a phase as happens after EVERY Council, where extremes are taken. The Church knew we wouldn't truly practice the Teachings of Vatican 11 until 60 years AFTER the Council. Now, as we went through a wave of changes to the accidental aspects in order to better understand the essential aspects of Mother Church, we are seeing a return to many Traditions. God Convenes Councils, as He did Vatican 11- there was a reason for it. If a person is a Sedevacantist, then I understand you not seeing it this way. However, if you are not a Sedevacantist, there is no other way to see it. God knows what He's doing and HE knew there would be distress, but HE promised that the Gates of Hell will NOT prevail against Mother Church.

[@johncassani6780]

@@davidmann9548God doesn’t convene Councils. Popes do, or, in the past, Christian emperors. There have been synods and councils in the past that have been determined later to have been in error, without the assistance of the Holy Ghost. “Vatican II” will be so declared, one of these days.

[@AnnulmentProof]

Listening to this is like listening to the soundtrack to a subtle horror movie.

[@friendlysky7674]

This is true

[@barrypenobscott9882]

Talk about "illiterate" people from the "immigrant church". Many of today's so-called Catholics are much more ignorant of the roots of Catholicism, its traditions, relationship with the Old Testament and its prominent place in revealing salvation history and the redemption Jesus brings. The drama of the Christian story never ends.

[@CatholicNeil]

They literally leave our faith for heretical sects

[@erikriza7165]

good point. kudos to you!!

[@JP-jw8kf]

I have read extensively about Vatican II and its aftermath, but this was a revelation, albeit at sad one. Knowing something theoretically is quite different from seeing it play out in a real-time "danse macabre." In 1962 perhaps the Council Fathers were unaware of the Machiavellian intrigue fomenting behind the scenes. Perhaps they were oblivious to who the agitators were. Perhaps... But in the course of the next three years, did it not become apparent that they were in the midst of a revolution? Even as their committees were hijacked and their voices muted, they still “just followed orders." The few prelates who refused to be silenced were but whispers in the cacophony. The "documents" promulgated were worded so broadly and so vaguely that erroneous or overreaching interpretations were all but guaranteed. “Vatican II says..." became the blanket excuse for every corruption imaginable. The seeds of Vatican II were sown long before 1962; had not two world wars and a depression intervened, it may have occurred much earlier. In the late 1940s and 1950s, the Church began tinkering with her liturgies in earnest. The most significant of these were the sweeping revisions to the Holy Week services promulgated in 1955. Many innovative things were introduced, and most would become hallmarks of the Novus Ordo. This was a bellwether for what was yet to come, and no accident. I no longer view Vatican II as a *beginning* of anything, but rather as a *culmination* of long-desired aims. Otherwise, there can be no rational explanation for why the Church has never instituted any convincing effort to rescind, suppress, or even bemoan it. This is especially significant given the recent papal attack on the last sliver of piety left in the post-Vatican II Church. Ultimately, the conclusions reached aren’t happy ones, and no amount of doctrinal finessing can change that.

[@prometheusjones6580]

Apropos of this, Geoffrey Hull's "The Banished Heart" is a deeply sobering read.

[@montecarloss305]

Thank you for sharing this. What a fascinating glimpse into the mindset of many who were on the "cutting edge", as it were, of the post-Vat2 implementation. I know we have the benefit of 50+ years of hindsight, but it is interesting to me how the main new objectives all focus on mobilization and activation. Not toward conversion of hearts in order to get themselves and ultimately others to Heaven, but merely toward the things of this world. Not that the Church shouldn't be the leader in issues of morality and justice, but worldly things should never come second to the eternal. Even the Mass featured with the priest in OKC features a "demonstration and protest" as part of the liturgy. Not to mention that the setting of that Mass appears to be more lackadaisical than the majority of modern day NO Masses. It would seem that almost all clergy in this take the Faith, the sacraments, and ultimately, grace for granted. And we get to see the fruits of this approach. Seventy percent of the attending faithful don't believe in the Real Presence. Why should they, when the priests don't even appear to? Anyway, I appreciate the insight that something like this provides, even if I know the sad outcomes.

[@larryhicks4203]

That priest ended up leaving the priesthood. And it seems like, from what I hear, a lot of the priests and religious portrayed in this film eventually ended up leaving. So much for the good fruits of Vatican II.

[@MAMRetro]

Priests? In my youth there were several priests who were atheists, and communists, and actively sought to make me think as they do.

[@patrickobrien8060]

There I was in high school. God bless Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre!

[@zirious2330]

Yeah, Lefebvre is included with the Modernists of the time and sadly is the Father of great Schism from the Catholic Church that we are still trying to heal to this day.

[@MarkEliasGrant]

A schismatic, heretic, and condemned. I hope he repented. The Second Vatican council is an ecumenical council and binding. Deny it and you deny the Church and Christ.

[@andrewrolwes6034]

@@MarkEliasGrant I faithfully adhere to all of the anathemas issued by the Fathers of the Second Vatican Council.

[@MarkEliasGrant]

@@andrewrolwes6034 I'm sorry that you don't like what the Council said. It's binding. Get over it.

[@andrewrolwes6034]

@@MarkEliasGrant What dogmatic teachings of the Second Vatican Council must I bind my conscience to in order to be a Catholic?

[@Salve_Regina8]

Make Mass Latin Again ✝️🇺🇸

[@jimmyjam209]

Why?

[@basedpuertorican4943]

@@jimmyjam209 tradition is closer to God

[@friendlysky7674]

@@basedpuertorican4943 Latin mass is really spiritual and I love it♥️♥️♥️♥️😄😄😄

[@DISTurbedwaffle918]

@@jimmyjam209 Because English is a cringe garbage language, frankly

[@Scottie404]

Why?

[@djpalindrome]

The infantilization of the laity started with banal music, insipid liturgies, and replacing the Gospel of Christ with an Alinskyite social justice agenda

[@atticussawatzki]

@11:00 “letting in some queer birds into the church”. Exactly what happened in the 1970’s in the “spirit of Vatican II”.

[@mrsmaidenname7571]

Funny how all the 'art' shown is extremely ugly.

[@karamichele9981]

I hate the music so much. It’s still so bad.

[@3bar17]

What painful memories! I saw all that stuff. Heard all those songs… As I left grade school for summer that year, the nuns all were in their habits. When summer ended we came back and there were no nuns in habits and we sang Kumbaya, My Lord and Go Tell it on the Mountain.

[@errorsofmodernism9715]

yes, I remember this too

[@notsparctacus]

The Great Apostasy

[@Leocomander]

Sounds like Mormonism.

[@CatholicNeil]

God bless you!

[@lancegoerner1719]

Or "The Great Autopsy"

[@MAMRetro]

This video brought to mind very deep sadness in my youth: my first communion, my first confession., my catechism. It was all a sham. It was all a cruel game brought forth by Vatican II. Everything was done -- clowns, beer, jugglers, pretzels, folk singers, and yes, even Communism -- in the "Spirit of Vatican II", and in the same buildings where something very different was done, creating a "holy paradox" trauma for many of my friends, a few which turned to drugs, sex, and suicide to fill their spiritually bankrupt souls. From the depths of my sprit, I thank Father Marcel Lefebvre, Father DePauw, Bishop DeCastro Meyer, and Father Malachi Martin to be my spiritual guides in my true discovery of the Traditional Latin Mass and all related Holy rites, not the "Mass of illiterate immigrants", but the true Liturgy of The Ages. I am a Tridentine Roman Catholic.

[@MarkEliasGrant]

Marcel Lefebvre was a schismatic. You don't get to pick and choose what you want like a cafeteria.

[@Cojo910]

Isn't that why the trad masses are blooming?

[@sergesavard636]

@@MarkEliasGrant You mean the way liberals like you have done for decades...

[@larryhicks4203]

I find it interesting how so many of these priests and religious that were portrayed in this video ended up leaving their vocations. The changes were so great they abandoned their vocations. Whoohoo!

[@elasticabanda6473]

Do you think it’s a coincidence that the vast majority of clergy sexual abuse cases happened during this hopeful “age of renewal” in the late 60 and 70s?

[@polemeros]

Very painful to watch.

[@1999convert]

Money quote @10:51: "When you 'open windows', you can let in not only 'fresh air', but you can let in some queer birds who will mess up everything inside". - Monsignor Rudolf Bandas, RIP Let's reiterate the fact that Bishop James Shannon abandoned his diocese and his vocation soon after this documentary was made. He left after Pope St. Paul VI upheld the Church's ban on artificial contraception in his much-anticipated (everyone thought he would scrap the ban) encyclical, Humana Vitae.

[@brandywineblue]

Sadly, the former Bishop Shannon died 21 years ago, in 2003. May God have mercy on his soul. This might be one key to his downfall "In 1955 he received his doctorate in philosophy in American studies at Yale University." God help us all.

[@MadMax31577]

Thank you for posting this ghastly aberration. I needed a good purge.

[@thecouple4180]

The astounding evil and apostasy of Vatican II is sadly document in this film. Thank you for sharing.

[@michaelcaza6766]

Wrong, the misinterpreting of the documents are on full display in this documentary.

[@thecouple4180]

@@michaelcaza6766 I wish I could agree with you, but things played out the way they did because of the intent of the leadership. Not by some strange accident.

[@michaelcaza6766]

@@thecouple4180 keep thinking that, nothing but conspiracy theories by the uneducated. My cousin was one of the fathers of the second Vatican council, a very orthodox bishop from Quebec, he was a proponent of the Council. I know other orthodox Catholic faithful who are accepting of the second Vatican council. The orthodox outweigh those who are not, you have nothing to substantiate your claims. I say this as a revert to the faith.

[@thecouple4180]

@@michaelcaza6766 well I do praise God for him and other faithful men in leadership. I just don't see them being in control.

[@michaelcaza6766]

@@thecouple4180 that’s because you’ve allowed yourself to be jaded.

[@williamofdallas]

31:39 "Now you ask me what do I think about the Catholic Church-- to tell you the truth, I don't even think about it!" -a priest. hm

[@albertoalejandrelara515]

This is AMAZING!!! WOW!! How insightful. We need documentaries like this.

[@HB-nv2bu]

Ugh! God save us.

[@debbiegum2226]

Ah yes- the great experimentation of the Church during the 70’s-80’s. I remember it well This is why I left the NO and now attend a TLM

[@MikeFromKansas]

This was amazing on so many levels, but by the end I was hoping that Pete Townsend or Bluto Blutarsky would make a cameo and "fix" those guitars.

[@jmichaelortiz]

These guys stole what they didn't even want for themselves.

[@brandywineblue]

They stole from us by DESTROYING what we needed and wanted

[@thomaspetro9228]

This video is very heartbreaking to watch. If they only knew then what we know now. How did we get to this place where we are at today? This video may be something of a sign post.

[@brianfolz3002]

Sit by and do nothing is how we got here!

[@fundamentalreviews]

They knew what they were doing.... free masons and jews infiltrated the Holy Roman Church with V2. Lex orandi, lex credendi - NO is effeminate and not ordered to right worship. The overall culture reflects this disordered worship in NO The crazier it gets the better the Truth looks. Our TLM parish keeps growing.

[@redneckpride4ever]

I once thought Archbishop Lefebvre was excommunicated for unlawful concecrations. This documentary on Protestants cosplaying as Catholics is why I would like to publicly apologize for my false assumption. I'm sorry I let the rigid and divisive people in this production cause me to have uneducated, narrow minded and false assumptions about Lefebvre. And I'm sorry for ever believing the objective falsehood that the SSPX was schismatic. I was a brainwashed fool.

[@CatholicTraditional]

+Lefebvre’s excommunication was null and void to begin with.

[@redneckpride4ever]

I know that now. I have since reverted from my uninformed, false views and now attend an SSPX chapel.

[@fidefidelis4912]

This documentary is from 1968, ONE YEAR BEFORE the implementation of the New Mass (all Masses were Tridentine in 1968). Masses depicted here weren't New Masses, it wasn't tridentine Masses either, but sheer liturgical abuse. But Abp. Lefebvre was justly excommunicated. Indeed, Pius XII promulgated a decree in 9th April 1951 which excommunicates any bishop and his consecratees if it was done without papal mandate, EVEN COERCED BY A GRAVE FEAR. Nothing can excuse Lefebvre's deprorable actions. Also, all Masses from SSPX are illicit : it is sinful to attend SSPX Masses only, because these Masses doesn't fulfill the duty of attending Mass every Sunday, according to the Church. www.trueorfalsepope.com/p/does-assisting-at-sspx-mass-fulfill.html?m=1 Thus, you're risking your soul by remaining in SSPX. Leave it, go to FSSP, ICKSP, no matters as they're united to Rome. God bless !

[@eft94530]

​@@fidefidelis4912in 1963 Dec the first document was signed and the ink was barely dry when pope paul vi signed another doc to start implementing .. many docs initiating changes rolled out until 1969 November 30 Advent-1 Novus Ordo effective .. create a timeline and locate docs and read them in date order

[@suzanneparoski4467]

Interesting that the Auxiliary Bishop in this documentary was removed as bishop and married. Some sources say he married before he was removed. The National Catholic Reporter was asked by the local bishop to remove Catholic from their name They never have. The Community of John XXIII was banned from the Church for their heterodox beliefs and practices. By their fruits you will know them.

[@ryanhilliard1620]

A complete failure.

[@Lexarf0rk]

Thanks be to God for the preservation of the Traditional Latin Mass.

[@flameofthewest6196]

I played guitar in a folk mass in the late 70s, and then it was fun and novel, and a product of its times. I had no clue what went before V2, and was never taught or understood the real traditions and more importantly, the deep philosophy behind behind those things. I'm a trad now and support traditional clergy and the people who are returning to the trad Church.

[@marywert5988]

And we all know how effective and fruitful this turned out to be, Mass attendance, vocations, belief in the real presence are all down. Sad that we have lost what made the Church Holy. And when there is an attempted restoration by the young there is an attempt to kill it. Pray.

[@MarekWyandotte]

I'm glad I missed this. Unfortunately, I'm witnessing the fallout.

[@kdr3619]

Vatican II in its implementation IN the West might have been a failure, but I'm here to tell you as someone who was born and raised in the Middle East ... in countries like the GCC, and of course, Africa, the faith boomed because of the changes brought about by Vatican II, and the proper implementation of those changes. People need to broaden their scope. Not everything takes place in the US or Europe, and the Catholic Faith is a prime example of just that.

[@redneckpride4ever]

So the boom ypu had equaled the loss we had...I guess you can call Vatican II a wash.

[@kdr3619]

@@redneckpride4ever It's more than that don't you think? Why would the Holy Spirit's work flourish so much on one side of the world, and flounder so badly on the other. The very fact that it worked so well for so many millions of people should cause one to pause and think. Ever wonderithat it might have to do with the way souls correspond to God's graces? Appreciate them.?Understand them? Instead of labeling everything, at all times, and in such ways as to consistently defelct responsibility, passing the buck on to anyone or anything else. "Oh it's Vatican II, that's the reason we're bereft". "Oh, it's the conservatives. Oh the liberals". "Oh it's the Protestants. The Orthodox". It's never about yourself beyond the confessional. The judging never stops. The blame game never ceases. And in the end, you find yourself alone, with a stone in your hand, and wondering how you got there.

[@Braingrandchild]

This is so interesting to me and offers much for me to meditate upon. Do you have any Catholic websites you like to frequent that perhaps speak more from your regional and cultural perspective instead of a US & Europe based one? Thanks

[@imaw8ke]

I love you Mom and Dad! Thanks for driving us around the entire state of Ohio to get to the Latin Mass!

[@carlz7777]

I can still remember feeling nervous about being able to recite the Confiteor (in Latin, of course) from memory in order to become an altar boy. (Yeah, been around a while!) There was a reverence even before one walked into Church as people wore their _Sunday finest_ and not jeans, shorts, or other such attire. There was no conversation once inside out of respect for those just might be praying. It was easy to recognize the Real Presence when one went to the Communion rail and _knelt_ to receive the Eucharist from the priest- on the tongue! I wish that the elderly priest who conveyed to me that the message of Vatican-II was poorly communicated to the clergy and therefore very poorly disseminated to the laity was still around as I would love to pick his brain. In his absence, I have been working my way through the "DOCUMENTS OF THE SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL." (Just Google it.) Not easy reading, but there's nothing on TV anyway! God bless you for sharing this. I already made a hard copy in case it disappears!🙏

[@fundamentumveritatis]

This is a major reason why the SSPX persists, thankfully.

[@Arthur_McGowan]

Are those nuns? Or members of the Manson Family?

[@crowlikemadness]

This is why so many fight to keep the TLM!

[@arthurw8054]

Utterly fascinating and terribly sad... So much optimism and idealism (Kumbaya without irony, wow!) With the benefit of hindsight it's like watching a train wreck before most of the passengers had any idea of what was about to happen, exactly what Pius X warned us about... In this regard the 2nd Council and The Church mirrored many of the social consequences of the 1960s generally. Thanks for posting this.

[@JamesVideoCollection]

Very well said, especially "it's like watching a train wreck before most of the passengers had any idea of what was about to happen".

[@Tradcatholicman]

How people think this is still the true Catholic religion is beyond me. I pray for the people who are still in the Novus ordo.

[@johntrough2660]

Long live the Traditional Latin Mass!

[@michaell.diveley9279]

I was 14 at this time and had rejected the council for years already, and have continued so the last 56 years. Thank god for archbishop leferve.

[@thechurchmilitant4293]

As a former Vatican II member, watching this garbage is almost to painful to watch.😬

[@CatholicNeil]

We lost the beautiful Latin Mass to this wow

[@jimmyjam209]

Remember, all these folks, all, were traditional tridentine Catholics. Why would they consider a rework of the mass? Why? There had to be something missing or co fusion. The rest of the video is pure opinion and lack of leadership

[@paulawarnes9951]

Mass Psychosis

[@CatholicTraditional]

Correct. Ritually, everyone was actually Tridentine Catholic until 1968. The V2 document on liturgy actually said that Latin was to be retained as much as possible, with certain dispensations for the local language for the Biblical readings, propers, etc. Even the Pauline Missal doesn’t require the priest to face the people! The liturgies in this video, along with the typical N.O. itself, goes well-beyond what the Council actually called for.

[@ARM1NIUS]

Vatican II was the worst thing to happen to the Catholic Church in recent memory

[@b.r.holmes6365]

Like, how was their such a lack of Resistance from the faithful? This is Protestantism, not Catholicism

[@ryanhilliard1620]

It was done under a false obedience. The faithful never believed Church leaders would ever give them anything that was bad. So they went along with it and most fell away.

[@joncerda351]

what they're trying to communicate really is that they do not possess the Catholic Faith

[@BB-kt5eb]

It’s so sad to see what was done to our holy Church. I haven’t lost the faith and I actually attend a Novus Ordo parish, but there was no need to “renew” the Church by gutting the Mass of 85% of its content. These changes have not done a single positive thing for the Church, but it’s caused countless Catholics to loose their faith.

[@stephenson19861]

What caused Buddhist in China to lose faith? What caused Japan ti become such an atheistic country, what caused Orthodox Christian countries to become more secular? Why do many muslims leave Islam when they come to the West? It's not simply, oh, the change in the Church caused diminishing faith. What diminished faith to a much greater degree are in fact developments in sciences, the riches, the easiness of life, the removal of suffering from public eyes, the idea that youth lasts forever and death is somewhere far away. In other words, once the people realized - oh, I do not need to pray to get healed, I just go to the doctor, I do not need to pray for good harvest, there is everything in the supermarket, slowly but surely many motives for religion simply went away. It's very wrong to think that lay people in 17th, 18th, 19th century were all high functioning intellectuals who deeply reflected theology and liturgy. They didn't, it was simply about culture. Everyone in village goes to church, so do I. And people prayed rosaries while the priest was conducting a mass in a language they could not understand. Most of the people simply new - I have to go there because if I don't something bad will happen. And, the first moment there was a window of opportunity the people left. As soon as the choice was given, many left. Most "traditional" people of today don't simply want to return to tradition but to what they think that tradition was just as people in the Renaissance didn't return to ancient Roman thought but to what they thought it really was. As for my personal experience, I wasn't raised a Catholic though I was baptized. And I must say, at first, it was those modern songs, so despised, that helped me stay during the mass that was all strange to me, and boring. Slowly I outgrew those songs and slowly I discovered all the riches that are there. But it didn't happen overnight. And though I cannot take seriously all those "trendy melodies" I cannot say that in a certain moment of my life, they played an important role...

[@eb4203]

@@stephenson19861 "Trust the science" lol.

[@stephenson19861]

@@eb4203 We like results...

[@BB-kt5eb]

@@stephenson19861 The Church was steady and strong until they changed the Mass with “reforms” the actual Vatican II Council never once called for in the documents they ratified. It’s a false comparison to ask what causes people of false religions like Buddhism to lose their faith, which really is not a faith at all, but rather a philosophy. It’s also a poor comparison to ask what causes orthodox Christians to lose their faith when they move to a new land or what causes people to lose their faith under communist dictatorships because they have a major outside factor either heavily influencing it in the case of those who move to new lands where they are cut off from their communities of faith and their traditions or those who lose the faith due to persecution and regimes who shutdown their churches and heavily persecute those who still profess the faith as is the case in communist nations. It’s a false comparison because no such outside factors were present to cause Catholics worldwide to lose their faith from the time of Vatican II until today. Sure there were some places where these factors were present, but that was not the case in the vast majority of places where the people of the Church were present in 1960 when the Council began. Also, such factors have not increased since 1960 in the areas where the Church was/is mostly comprised, but rather these factors have mostly decreased or they’re even gone entirely as is the case of European communism. The Church has only one thing to point to that’s caused the decline and that is the Novus Ordo.

[@stephenson19861]

@@BB-kt5eb Wrong. You chose only that what fits your already preconceived conclusions, and not for truth, but only that you could feel superior. You are no different from liberals and leftists, your logic is the same - the truth is what I say it is. Catholic, you certainly aren't, because to exclude an ecumenical council means it exclude yourself. Period. Apostate.

[@optimusprime6539]

1968 e já estava pior que hoje! Viva D. Marcel Lefebvre e D. Antônio de Castro Mayer!!!!!

[@madmoonrabbit]

I mirror most of the comments below. The flat, meaningless, politically charged Church I grew up with made me walk away from practice after my confirmation. I am only now, slowly, making my way back 25 years later. I still carry much trepidation regarding this process. For isn't the current catholic church still in the throes of this wayward revolutionary interpretation, which spits in the face of 2000 years of ecclesiastic tradition - Tradition that was always beset by political fracturing from Alexandria to Antioch to Constantinople to Rome; but which always strove to maintain the sentiments within the Scripture? What Catholic Church am I returning to? I do not know.

[@josef.r.5345]

There will come a time when all we will have is The Most Holy Rosary of Our Blessed Lady.

[@ryanhilliard1620]

You are returning to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ. We have Our Lord's Promise: the gates of hell will not prevail against it. Our Lord would not have had to state that, if there weren't going to be times when all looked lost. Hold fast to the Faith and practice handed down to us and ignore all errors and novelties. But, how do you know who is a shepherd and who is a hireling? You shall know them by their fruits.

[@stevenmichaelmaryturk4951]

And the Reformation continued to deform.

[@JCBrowerYT]

Ugh. Thanks for the glimpse of the Mass Psychosis of the generation that children have been forced to endure for the last 50 plus years

[@eb4203]

Oh, "Non-rigid" = unstructured. So THAT'S why Pope Francis is complaining about those 'rigid" Traditional Catholics.

[@paulawarnes9951]

I wish that each speaker had a label with his/her name.

[@briandelaney9710]

Those ex IHM nuns singing “burning our habits , joining a drumming group. We are the new nuns of today ..”

[@brandywineblue]

Heartbreaking

[@EpoRose1]

If it’s the same IHM of Wichita, it seems they have returned to more traditional roots, at least from the look of their website.

[@johnnyj0104]

So bizarre...the Church never needed to change to conform to the problems of "modern man." The Church has always provided for the people's spiritual needs. Why didn't these people just become Protestant??

[@debbiegum2226]

The disobedience and lack of faith among the nuns is astonishing

[@Will-ip8og]

This makes me feel ill. These shenanigans were the things that repulsed me from practicing after I started to revert. It was the traditional Latin Mass that got me there.

[@jlouis4407]

Oh the horror.

[@elchaposaur6178]

The whole order of the Sisters of the Immaculate Heart of Mary (Sister Anita's order) fell apart soon afterwards.

[@briandelaney9710]

They invited secular psychologists in for “rap groups “ with the Sisters. Anita Caspary had much to answer for

[@nanetteparratto-wagner1127]

It's the Synod on Synodality 🤦

[@erikriza7165]

i remember Bishop Shannon. A Bishop leaving the priesthood and attempting matrimony. A gift from Vatican II. One of the many "gifts" that came in the aftermath of that Council.

[@metanoia1122]

Will someone please play this documentary for the vast majority of American Bishops--especially Cardinal Cupich, Wilton Gregory, Tobin of Newark (not the good Tobin of RI), and so many others. Please also play it for Our Holy Father. I pray for Our Holy Father daily as I know so many others do. Perhaps a small glimmer of an answer to our ardent prayer is that Pope Francis promised earlier this month to leave the FSSP alone to celebrate the Latin Rite in the Extraordinary Form. Deo gratias.

[@ryanhilliard1620]

YES! I have been sitting here thinking the exact same thing and force them to hear all of the comments. Listening church indeed!🙄

[@brandywineblue]

it will only encourage them. "if they will not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they listen if One should rise from the dead."

[@kevinwoplin9322]

A mixture of crushing sadness and horror .......the 60s and 70s zeitgeist that infected the Church under the guise of renewal is still poisoning the well...the clergy that were formed in this swamp now hold the highest office and are still forcing the apostasy but the future is bright as anyone who is under 35 have no nostalgia for this time and are interested in truth and orthodoxy and look at this for the car crash it was

[@javaman8895]

Whose here because of the MP?

[@theresaboldt5797]

Terrible...from Georgian Chant to grotesque guitar Mass. This corruption of the one true Faith.

[@JamesVideoCollection]

20th Century: "Mistakes were made..."

[@Oldparson220]

All excited about the new springtime, but what we got was an every unrelenting cold winter, with no sign of spring since.

[@SedeHunter]

I hope this isn’t some Sede propaganda

[@prometheusjones6580]

As I see it, a sede reaches donatism by way of ultramontanism. Since the pope is not "perfect," the whole modern church must be jettisoned. But ultramontanism is the primary error, since it transforms the pope from the chief bishop into an oracle. On this point, Pope Francis is totally correct that the Church needs to embrace synodality. But, as the "Synod on Synodality" shows, he does not really understand the synodal tradition. He seems to see synodality more in sociological terms. E.g., his concern that everyone feels that they "belong" has more to do with Karl Popper than with traditional thinking on ecclesiology. Time would be better spent studying the writings of Cyprian, Pope Leo I, Pope Gregory I, Nicholas of Cusa, and Johann Möhler. On the other hand, the sedes are right on one point, but for the wrong reason: hierarchs must be held accountable to tradition. Ideally this should be done by competent authorities-and it seems that this was done formally and informally until the 19th c. I'm quite certain that if a Pope Paul VI lived during the Renaissance, the cardinals and episcopate (and laity!) would have rejected the Novus Ordo-and they would have been right to do so. The error of the 20th c. is the loss of the traditional Roman sense of "auctoritas" - which had the sense of "prestige", "trustworthiness", "responsibility," and "guardianship". Auctoritas was and is an ethical category, and therefore subject to judgement of character. Instead, modern "authority" has become blind power and whimsy which demands sycophancy.

[@EpoRose1]

I didn’t know NBC was involved in “sede propaganda.”

[@TruthSeeker-333]

Appalling, what a nightmare. The TLM and tradition was discarded for this! How are the V2 popes saints?

[@pammienakh]

Good grief. 😡 When all the hideous crap bubbles to the surface.

[@candacebakasy620]

Smoke of satan infiltrated church. Nuns left our children, children left church.

[@ingridlinbohm7682]

VIVA Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre!

[@murphyfamily6927]

I love this channel.

[@andrewangelopacheco9960]

Notice how Jesus and the salvation He brought us is not spoken of. Now it's all about the people.

[@prometheusjones6580]

Exactly. It expresses an immanetization of Catholic theology.

[@kerrieholian5366]

Sad times. 😞

[@Honeybee-z]

I cant help but wonder what happened to all of those young people with respect to the faith.

[@michaelcreighton5116]

The opposite happened.

[@marvinaloysuis5827]

Disclaimer: Not trying to be criticizing or judging but just being observant as a researcher. Focus is at Timestamp at 3:30-4:28. As a concerned Catholic in today’s declining religious practice, I was wondering how many of those who were interviewed and said that the New Catholicism they claim (back in 1968) are still practicing the faith today (who are now between the ages of 50-80 years old)? A sample I heard is that the elderly lady say that her friends have drifted away from the church (pre-Vatican II) and now have come back to the faith and was very happy (post-Vatican II). Those who came back to the church in 1968 since they saw the changes as good, are they still around to practice the faith or have drifted again? Another question to pose as a researcher is this: Is this relevant to younger generations of today, generation Z? If not, why is there a growth in generation Z and other older generations attending the pre-Vatican II Liturgy? What is it that attracts the youth to the Traditional Roman Rite? Why do most say the post-Vatican II Liturgy is lacking or not substantially sufficient to nourish their soul? (Note that various Ecclesia Dei communities acknowledges that the post-Vatican II Liturgy is valid and that the youth wants more than just the Ordinary Form but the Extraordinary Form of the Liturgy). I’d pray that the Extraordinary Form of the Liturgy can once more be restored in all parochial parishes and religious parishes. Thank you and God Bless you all!

[@prometheusjones6580]

These are excellent questions. We shouldn't forget that things prior to the Council weren't perfect. For instance, since most English-speaking (sc. Irish) clergy from the 18th and 19th centuries were educated in France, American Catholicism had a strong Jansenist influence, and thus tended to be quite austere both theologically and liturgically. Even today, when the ars celebrandi of the traditional rite has improved, there remain elements that should be reformed. When we compare the traditional Roman rite to the great apostolic rites of the East, the Roman service feels like a glorified private mass. The big mistake Sacrosanctum Consilium made was not in calling for a reform of the liturgy, but in adopting a problematic methodology and scope for reform. These were taken up by the liturgical consilium and modeled by Paul VI. Thus they changed the things that didn't need changing-the lectionary and Mass texts-and worsened the thing that did need change: the manner in which the liturgy is performed. The one thing that has improved somewhat since the council is the realm of liturgical theology, but that is partly due to Eastern Orthodox influence (esp. for Aidan Cavanaugh and David Fagerberg) and improved Patristic scholarship. If you want sense of what might have been, look at the way in which the Orthodox Churches have reformed their practice of liturgy since the 19th century. Apart from translations, the texts haven't changed, but they have a far deeper theology of liturgy today, and the celebration of the liturgy today is far more vibrant and intentional than previously. If Rome had followed similar methods, the liturgy would have been translated into a sacral form of the vernacular (not entirely though), and the reformers would have enriched the practice of the Tridentine rite by consulting the Ordines Romani, the oldest complete records of the Roman rite.

[@marvinaloysuis5827]

⁠Thank you for your response and thorough answer. I greatly appreciate you sharing in some key information to the question given. Have a Blessed Advent Season and the anticipation of Christmas, the birth of Our Lord Jesus Christ. God Bless!

[@DominusEstOK]

The people who did this are revolting. These are the people that gave use the pedos in the clergy. I hope they repented before death. God have mercy on their souls for having lead hundreds of millions to eternal perdition.

[@YooTuba]

I'm not a fan of most of the folks in this video, but there have been pedos in the clergy for probably centuries. St Mary Mackillop got excommunicated for reporting one, back in 1871. McCarrick was ordained 4 years before V2 even started. You can blame V2 for a lot of rot, but not for pedo clergy.

[@kentamargo9488]

So many lost souls. Pray for an increase of the faithful and the conversion of sinners.

[@andrewangelopacheco9960]

This video sickens me. It brings back memories of all the heart break and ugliness of the Dark Ages of the 60's and 70's in Christs's Church.