The New Counterculture

Nowadays, being subversive means telling the truth, sticking to your word, having discipline, and valuing long-term relationships and friendships. This was always going to happen when being a rebel without a cause got old and self-destructive.
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#Punk #NegativeXP #ScottPilgrim

[@legchairhistorian5496]

Only if you raid Rome you can claim to be a true Goth

[@oneonly2762]

If you shoplift something, does that technically count?

[@ironraccoon3536]

@@oneonly2762 steal a jigsaw puzzle of the colosseum and put it in a bag. You've successfully sacked Rome.

[@oneonly2762]

@@ironraccoon3536 But I don't want to sack Rome. I'm content to merely raid it.

[@UncleFexxer]

@@oneonly2762 Spray a jigsaw puzzle with a can of Raid and you've succesfully raided Rome.

[@rymarz458]

If only the real Bismarck were still alive...

[@bluecoin3771]

Most of these “rebels” were upper middle class kids who grew up on the Disney Channel.

[@kaizokujimbei143]

'Tis the reason Marx is their icon.

[@LordBackuro]

Literally Like holy shit the majority of modern punks could NOT survive the 80’s or late 70’s Most of them would be committing suicide, with how conservative people back then were.

[@outbackgearforu]

Yes losers are attracted to who I consider the biggest loser ,Karl Marx

[@denversupermarket7484]

lol true, but all rebels are that way.

[@JohnDoe-ne1ni]

You're so right they are mad at daddy. But a alpha upper class guy knows how to dog them out and make them conservative

[@rookievideos8865]

This is like that Monty Python sketch: Brian: "You are all individuals!" Everyone: "Yes, we're all individuals!" Brian: "You're all different!" Everyone: "Yes, we're all different!" One guy: "I'm not."

[@ernsty346]

Where are you going to gestate the fetus? In a box?

[@Quidington]

@@ernsty346 The instructions are on the back, if you broke it then we can send you a 30 day back warrantee with a waiver for 30% of the original price.

[@MarquisLeary34]

I've seen conservs do that bit more than libs. "You're an NPC if you don't agree with us!"

[@konstantinosnikolakakis8125]

You forgot how at the very end another guy says to the one guy “Quiet!”

[@MichaelTaylor-bf2hw]

Am 100% sure Scott pilgrim movie was meant to be satire on hippster/geek culture but sometimes satire can become reality

[@fluffoduff8160]

@Commander Kyro wait is Scott a simp?

[@TreehouseINC]

@@fluffoduff8160 He fought 7 evil exes that's simp behavior

[@infiddle_8810]

Yeah, there was definitely a cultural satirical element to the movie.. It wasn't a satire per say but there were pleanty of moments where it looked at the culture it was portraying in a mocking way.

[@thomasjames8298]

Im not so sure, I mean its fairly lighthearted but Brian o mally (the author) is King hipster.

[@xucthclu]

the whole idea of that movie is that most of the characters there are bad people

[@Auriorium]

One dude makes a song. The opposition opens a new salt mine. Internet never change.

[@bramble6367]

"Down here salt is a way of life".

[@TheR999]

[Redacted by KZbin] in the 2010s ruka’s songs would blowup on release but they also constantly got reported and taken down for being offensive so it’s hard to know just how popular his music was. I’ve never heard someone listen to a rucka song and be legitimately mad, mostly just confused or unamused. If you want salt look for what people think of moonman

[@darkpuppetlordful]

@[Redacted by KZbin] that's amazing. People can't even enjoy the original content because moonman salt is too strong

[@solidsnake4167]

Ur welcome for the 666-th like

[@TheRealRusDaddy]

Let the salt flow

[@SuperLlama42]

The modern punk community is the equivalent of "Stay in school!" graffitied on a wall with the mayor's permission.

[@theultimatehangover7576]

Loud minority, the rest of us are just tryna do drugs.

[@alexflenner8377]

That is the perfect anoligly for new punk vs old punk.

[@vobruh]

@@theultimatehangover7576 accurate. Current punks are too busy getting blasted to give 2 fucks ya feel

[@soulswordobrigadosegostar]

@@theultimatehangover7576 it's either that or beat minorities...

[@WhoBlah21]

Oh boy... I cannot wait for you guys to find out that the hardcore punk scene from the late 80s were comprised of militant straight edge vegans, there use to be hardcore gangs in NYC that use to beat the shit out of people for drinking.

[@ClockworkGearhead]

"Punk is meant to offend, not be offended." Well said.

[@unimunoz1159]

Offensive how and to who. Conservative values are the ones in power and were in power in the past.

[@ClockworkGearhead]

@@unimunoz1159 "Conservative values are the ones in power." L M A O No.

[@unimunoz1159]

@@ClockworkGearhead Both the democrat and Republican party are center right or far right by any standard metric 💀

[@ClockworkGearhead]

@@unimunoz1159 Thanks for the laughs.

[@unimunoz1159]

@@ClockworkGearhead I'm just stating reality here. What world are you in 💀

[@elijahfyffe5176]

Punk: *Is meant to offend* "Punks": *Are offended*

[@airplanesoda]

yeah no that's.... not the point of punk

[@elgaru3410]

@@airplanesoda Gonna cry?

[@jinjukim6963]

@@elgaru3410 somebody has mommy issue lmao

[@tetsuointhebathroomstall1312]

@@airplanesoda The point of punk is to promote anarchy and anti-establishment values. Political correctness is the establishment.

[@frankie8233]

Simon music and art is meant to offend and get people talking, if you’re offended, it’s doing it’s job

[@MrLolguy93]

Remember when people thought being a hipster was counter-culture? Then it happened that they all looked the same to the point that they were indistinguishable

[@user-gn4ts8jb7n]

That's what happens every time. All the insecure people wanna be different but they're to scared to be themselves which would make them individual so instead they find a little unknown group and destroy it, while mocking what it was once about.

[@Kydino]

Not really, even back then people knew they were ass. Look at this song for an example kzbin.info/www/bejne/oofQnoyDrKudZ6s

[@alidaraie]

@@Kydino This song some month ago just appeared on my feed. I could not believe it was made in 2010.

[@donnerblitzen1388]

You are right!!! They have a literal checkbox one can use to find hipsters in the wild! 1. Mustache waxed and carefully groomed? 2. Skinny jeans? 3. Listens to music none have heard of or hasn't been relevant in 10 to 20 years? 4. Man bun? 5. Gate keeping over stupid things? 6. Coffee snob? 7. Alternative medicine? 8. Alternative transportation? 9. Man bun?(just to make sure) 10. Considers themselves "woke"? 11. Gets offended when called "hipster"? 12. Do they drink soy beverages and/or vegan not for health purposes?(men mainly) 13.(also men) Do they act feminine for some strange reason but claim they are manly? This is just a few I remember and a few I found out were true(unfortunately there are hipsters in my family....)

[@UncleFexxer]

This song by King Missile perfectly sums up the philosophy of these feebs: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aWaUqHqepNKIhKs

[@BertzTriscut]

"An entire generation of men." Also calls us "the 1%"

[@MARfilms]

They're not the brightest. If they were they may have found the song to be a wakeup call instead of freaking out.

[@GameFuMaster]

@The Silver Wolverine when that... thing talked, it sounded like a woman, but then it sang, it sounded like a man. What is it?

[@redvelvet5374]

@@GameFuMaster I'll tell you what it is. IT'S HERESY!

[@KageMinowara]

@@redvelvet5374 I'll go get my witch hunter hat and inferno pistol.

[@canihave2bucks]

Contradiction of their own statement. Claims they are the 1%, then says they pay rent. lol

[@davidgapidojr.6615]

to quote a comment from the video "calling me an incel wont bring your dad back."

[@airplanesoda]

i still have a dad and you're still an incel

[@cadymoore9530]

making fun of women won’t get you a girl 😌

[@marcusanark2541]

Huehuehuehuehuehuehue! I'll definitely use that.

[@turnbabelarachnud3641]

@@airplanesoda aaaaaaaaaand youre still an incel, too!

[@qkoo1297]

it won't but it will make you incredibly mad have sex

[@Proud_Sex_Dungeon_Owner]

"You can't be a conservative punk", I guess this chick never heard of the Ramones.

[@Johnmrobinson-vb5vd]

Or the missfits or the sex pistols or most of the early punks who are anti ☭

[@SankyEON]

@@Johnmrobinson-vb5vd "God Save the Queen, The Commie Regime" 🔥🔥🔥

[@ThursoBerwick]

​@@Johnmrobinson-vb5vdSex Pistols? Kind of. They wore red outfits with hammers and sickles on one shoot. McLaren's idea.

[@Johnmrobinson-vb5vd]

@@ThursoBerwick yeah but they also wear swastikas I think they wore what was considered edgy at time

[@ThursoBerwick]

@@Johnmrobinson-vb5vd Very edgy considering a lot of people had lived through that war at the time. I think they leaned left but not in the way the channel owner does!

[@cyberninjazero5659]

"PUNK CAN'T BE RIGHT WING THAT'S THE POINT IT HAS TO BE LEFT!" A Parable on Punk "A guy walks up to me and asks 'What's Punk?'. So I kick over a garbage can and say 'That's punk!'. So he kicks over the garbage can and says 'That's Punk?', and I say 'No that's trendy!"

[@kaede11101]

The punk movement died when they decided to ally themselves with mainstream politics instead of mocking it.

[@Lobotomyaftermath]

"Yeah fuck the system fuck the politicians im so anti establishment" Then they post on their social media"Bernie 2020"

[@ellagage1256]

@@Lobotomyaftermath Bernie is the closest thing to leftism America can tolerate and even then liberals will still call single payer healthcare "socialism". I'm sorry but you can be punk AND practical at the same time. You can have fun trying to convince enough people to start some kind of revolution in the streets, but while you do people will continue to die from lack of care. Mitigate the pain of the oppressed and use the mainstream to your advantage in order to spread your message, otherwise you're just some asshole in a shitty dive bar singing for 3-4 people about how capitalism/modern life sucks

[@Lobotomyaftermath]

@@ellagage1256 Yeah but I would not exactly call supporting someone who tweeted that as president he would "Ban the sale and distribution of assault weapons" punk and I highly doubt someone like that cares about the people. Hell not even Trump, that bastard has done a lot of gun control for a "Pro second amendment" president.

[@ellagage1256]

@@Lobotomyaftermath See I agree that some of Bernie's policies I don't agree with like gun control, but you would have to be crazy to think the right wing are the ones who want to preserve individuality and workers rights more than the left wing. There is no foundation for anything farther left than liberalism and someone like Sanders (who is a socdem at best) in office would be better for building a leftist movement

[@doggerlander]

It's more like punk became mainstream.

[@ThZuao]

The guy used to be called School Shooter. So yeah. Memelord troll all the way.

[@IamaCosmonaut]

Meme punk, thats the future

[@MyRickyjoe]

Ah, that's how he got the negative XP.

[@michaellessel5532]

Calling everyone that’s remotely edgy a troll is fucking retarded

[@apimpnamedslickback7115]

@@michaellessel5532 agreed

[@leonardomarquesbellini]

Yeah, and? School shootings are quintessentially american youth culture.

[@ryanscottnix]

"Thanks for coming to our show, fellow punk rockers! Being anti-authoritatian and anti-establishment is the best! Don't forget that this concert is sponsored by Pfizer, so be sure and stay up to date on your boosters. ROCK ON!!! YA!!!" -Modern Punk Rock

[@jimmiller7386]

I didn't know Green Day was here!

[@ryanscottnix]

@@jimmiller7386 hehehehe

[@angrytheclown801]

It's Rage Against the Machine! Buy your three hundred dollar shirts to show the world you hate capitalism!

[@hardromeo436]

Lol, conformists getting triggered over an edgy counter-culture punk song. The 80's/90's are back with a vengeance

[@zeos386sx]

Interesting that no one cares about his other song Toonami Ruined a Whole Generation of Manchildren

[@sangheiliwarrior86]

TBF I think he only meant it as a parody of this song and doesn't give much of a shit about the message. Apparently he's a bit of a weeb himself

[@clannadcannedbread6932]

DracoFatalis299 his favorite anime is the Simpsons

[@sangheiliwarrior86]

@@clannadcannedbread6932 Kek

[@jokezm5982]

It had less soul

[@nachiketh3650]

It didn't sound as genuine as the og.

[@Lead122]

Random Girl: I hate myself, lol Random person: Yeah, you suck Random girl: HOW DARE YOU!!!

[@airplanesoda]

no shit idiot lol there's a whole lotta difference between saying something about yourself and someone else saying it to you??

[@airplanesoda]

@Zu yes it really is lmfao people with bad self esteem will call themselves names but it's completely different for someone else to do it??

[@locustexpresso9507]

Random Guy: Im ugly, lol Random Girl: Yeah, you're ugly Random Guy: SHUT UP BITCH

[@tino9117]

You laugh but that's actually something we all go by cause there's a HUGE difference between self depricating attitude and letting others do the same to you, usually people use self deprication as an exaggeration, not all of them really use it unironically cause they lack that much self esteem, so sorry the joke you're making is more of a true statement

[@tetsuointhebathroomstall1312]

@@airplanesoda If even you don't respect yourself, why should others?

[@gortrobot578]

a lot of these people like the aesthetic of being punk, without actually being punk.

[@niffty9142]

these posers are everywhere. "Alt" tik tok is full of them

[@ThrottleJerk]

Trick question can you be punk without the look?

[@niffty9142]

@@ThrottleJerk No.

[@losado8712]

@@ThrottleJerk Okay, what is "the look" ?

[@ThrottleJerk]

@@losado8712 i dont know, colorful hair, dark clothes, etc. You know, the punk look

[@nocuh]

It took NXP an hour to write and record an infectious instant classic. Pure DIY, laughing through the hook and leaving it in the final cut because it's funny. Everyone stuffy who is seething mad at the song deserves to stay owned

[@airplanesoda]

OH no wonder the lyrics are so bad

[@nocuh]

Simon its origin story is a diss track response as clickbait meme music, to a now-deleted viral tweet made by an e-girl who asserted Scott pilgrim ruined a whole generation of men. NXP swapped the genders as part of an ongoing gimmick and spotlighted how turnabout is fair play until it humiliates glass house dwellers who cast the first stone

[@locustexpresso9507]

If the song is just a joke, wouldn't that mean that the people that take the song as a serious song that talk about "today's women" be in the same vein as the ones that are triggered by it??

[@nocuh]

@@locustexpresso9507 Yeah maybe. Taking everything literally is a sign of emotional immaturity; having said that, there's truth in jest

[@locustexpresso9507]

@@nocuh of course that there's some true in the song, but it just speaks about "a" type of women, not all of them.

[@Cybersnake-he4zr]

I’ve dated women like that in the song 3 words Don’t Date Them

[@hellman5820]

we all have, they are cancer, and they are mainstream.

[@HORSEMANFOREVER]

Yeah, seriously. In fact, don't even pump-and-dump them. It's not worth getting dragged into their spiral of self-destruction.

[@TheR999]

Nigga we’ve all dated them, were trying to figure out how to see them coming

[@Saint_Wolf_]

@@gamingguru2k6 if you live in hell you don't engage with the succubus.

[@NiGHTSnoob]

I love how this post cuts off at "3 words Don't" Before you click Read More and somehow it's still entirely accurate.

[@e69alpha]

Fun fact he also made a song called toonami ruined a generation of men it's hilarious

[@ririhoshino]

ironically this is what was wonderfully shown in Southpark ( the stick of truth) when you wanted to join the goth kids: "To prove you are a nonconformist, you had first start to dress just as we do"

[@saunterrrr]

When that trans girl just used her real boy voice as her singing voice. Made me laugh

[@JohnsonTheSecond]

yeah that turned me into a human question mark with that transition

[@ruddbot179]

Saunter It’s a shame because she’s an SJW because it’s a decent punk voice too.

[@Backup_Dice]

Yup

[@Backup_Dice]

Lex Benjamin because he is

[@DW_69]

"Her"

[@GUMMRUCHK]

That woman(?) in orange sounded like she was on the verge of crying the entire time she spoke. lol

[@edgarbm6407]

Clicking 'Like' for the (?) next to 'That woman' LOL

[@GUMMRUCHK]

@@edgarbm6407 It's a valid question. 😂

[@GUMMRUCHK]

@Nikos papadopoylos That's a crime where I live.

[@Women_Rock]

That woman(?) Eleanore Roosevelt. *everyone cheered and clapped*

[@vbence12]

It sounded like "her" balls dropped after "she" started "singing" 😂

[@Crade1]

The people who are offended by this song are exactly the people the song wanted to offend. I love that the fake counter-culture posers are exposing themselves now, because they cant handle being criticized in the same way they criticize others.

[@bacht4799]

Crade you can always be sure that if one culture making fun of another culture and they get back in theirs face they can’t handle it..

[@danielnolan8848]

To be fair, punks could never take criticism, but the magnitude of the mainstream "marginalized" "punk" irony is just too immense to shrug off with a, no you, now

[@StarboyXL9]

Tyrants hate the sound of laughter, especially when they're the cause of it.

[@bacht4799]

Joel Gawne well.. I so glad I never gonna be in power then.. I also hate laughing on my behalf or the illusion of it at least.. 😁

[@IXINOSIS]

@@danielnolan8848 Nah, Punks can handle criticism. It's just that they need to be able to have a spine and rationally cope with someone shitting on their viewpoints or music without being a bunch of crybabies about it who act like it's a sin to demonize and scrutinize their precious perspectives and egos. Would GG Allen care if someone didn't like his music or viewpoints? No, he wouldn't give a fuck. The purpose of Punk is to offend, live life, be free, and not give a shit about what others think of you.

[@TurtleSauceGaming]

"Liking the 70s and drugs does not make you a hippie" You are indeed right. It was the 60s that birthed hippies, not the 70s...

[@TurtleSauceGaming]

@@dragtheserg I mentioned this elsewhere recently, but I'll say it again. Marxism is an affront to human intelligence and basic economic principals. It's like a young kid saying "One day, I'll run for President, and when I win, no more homework!" It shows they have no understanding of how the world works at all. You wouldn't give your child everything they ever wanted right?

[@jhonviel7381]

and the hippies were posers of the beatniks from the 50's!

[@TurtleSauceGaming]

@@jhonviel7381 You're a poser :)

[@gottaproxy8826]

@@dragtheserg being a hippy is trying to fill the god hole.

[@derajalen_the_fallout_modder]

Moronic little kids that have no concept of reality and history wouldn't know the difference anyways. At least those that know can just laugh and move on.

[@HarleyHerbert]

"Refuses to see a therapist" more lack of self awareness I see

[@Cheezy_Bunz]

Harley Herbert haha

[@Cheezy_Bunz]

Luna Tix crazy idea but imagine giving humans basic needs for free ie: water, food, medical,

[@doggerlander]

"refuses to see a rapist" now you understand?

[@Cheezy_Bunz]

Kishka are you calling therapists rapists ? Or ?

[@haroldbalzac6894]

@@Cheezy_Bunz fuck you get your own shit.

[@checkthisout7616]

"Nonbinary girlfriend" GI I R L F R I E N D

[@darkmega97]

Theyfriend? 🤔

[@Tetrahead]

Z-friend

[@patrickriarchy6054]

Xirlfriend.

[@awelojoe5544]

friend

[@mike.9236]

Childfriend

[@OhRaez]

That "counter song" literally was the embodiment of what the first song described

[@greensmurf221]

Ironic isn't it?

[@OhRaez]

@@greensmurf221 Unbelievably ironic. And their lack of self awareness is mind boggling

[@DemonicRemption]

@@OhRaez ' Hence why I fast forwarded the in the video to ShortFatotaku's next point... The lack of self awareness was painful... Meaning I'm failing my New Years' resolution of dismissing this crap as "normal."

[@soulswordobrigadosegostar]

congratulations,you just played yourself

[@adamhurd1560]

I find it so incredibly funny that people are getting offended by that Left at London clip while saying that being punk means offending and not being offended. It's just very funny seeing and hearing the salt at having the exact same thing used against someone and them crying about it.

[@moredeltsmorepelts9578]

There is literally an entire punk movement that is 40 years old at this point called Straight Edge that is based upon self control. No alcohol, drugs, promiscuous sex, ya know all things commonplace in contemporary hedonistic western society.

[@LordBackuro]

Shit sounds actually quite nice.

[@jimmiller7386]

Yes there is!

[@skeetorkiftwon]

​@@LordBackuroStraight edge fgts eventually became vegan hipsters. They were always the most obnoxious Karens at the shows and were basically a judgy cult. Punk is good for rebelling against the norm during your teens. That's it. If you commit to it as a lifestyle you're going to end up with your face tattooed, or a drugged out bum, or an alcoholic, or as a teacher trying to turn everyone's kids transy.

[@davidabest7195]

There is also a very large section of skinhead punk who have existed since the late 70s during the birth of the genre.

[@princeofdew8980]

Nah they are also vegan and bonkers and new agers.

[@spider-spectre]

She tried to make a "punk" song to offend me and yet I feel like she offended herself by admitting her binary views on life.

[@GHOSTTIEF]

*IT

[@Adoniazzz]

You mad bro?

[@cyberdiver7076]

What does binary view mean?

[@cyberdiver7076]

@DavM Ah thanks

[@BCereja]

@@GHOSTTIEF why doe?

[@FablesTold]

Bruh, Punk Fashion became non-punk the moment that Hot Topic showed up in everybody's malls.

[@caea5884]

@@lemonwedge5209 hot topic never was really providing to emo kids, mall emo is not actually emo

[@tuckinatorinator787]

@@lemonwedge5209 they were popular? Back when I was in school they were losers

[@tuckinatorinator787]

@@lemonwedge5209 it doesn't feel that long ago but I graduated High School in 2013. Goths were freaks at best and losers at worst and Emo's were the more embarrassing cringy version of Goths. The moment the counter culture became normal culture they were scattered to the wind. I haven't seen a Goth in years. Kinda seeing a pattern with current "counter culture" except these guys are A LOT more whiny than even the Emo's and are brighter colored. They think their Punks but their culture has been claimed by corporations and used to sell things, they're thoughts are shared by everyone, usually for clout, and it's clear they're so desperate to remain relevant that they're picking fights like white knight keyboard warriors.

[@tuckinatorinator787]

@@lemonwedge5209 sounds like I touched a nerve.

[@tuckinatorinator787]

@@lemonwedge5209 I still do

[@SouthernGothicYT]

Tumblrinas ruined everything for so many groups. The fact that the non-conformist style became mainstream is the zenith of irony. The same th0ts that bullied me for dressing like this are now taking notes

[@unocualqu1era]

Tumblr

[@donnerblitzen1388]

Tumblrinas......ROFL. may I use that in future posts about those dorks? That's good!

[@zeche8477]

Bradley Donner It’s a fairly common term

[@mortemssoul6342]

Southern Gothic it’s comedic

[@isthecarpetcomfortable9410]

Spittin’ straight up facts.

[@Masami_Salami]

The Offspring was actually pretty conservative in their music, with such great hits as "The Kids Aren't Okay" and "Why Don't You Get a Job"

[@DIY_Miracle]

The Ramones were pretty diverse politically and they're considered grand fathers of the American punk movement. The idea that punk has some any political bias other than contrarianism is absurd

[@Masami_Salami]

@@DIY_MiracleAs with anything which becomes "commodified," punk is now about "fitting in" rather than "standing out." How is a store going to sell Thrasher shirts if the subculture promotes DIY efforts?

[@wasabiflavoredcocaine]

"She's got issues" Telling you straight

[@jakesmithsonian388]

​@DIY_Miracle it got totally co-opted by the left though. Everyone knows that. If you've met any punks in the scene in real life, they've probably all been left wing extremists. Every single one I have met has been. It completely permeated everything they thought and believe(d). They were all followers, following the cool new thing set up for them to follow. What a joke it was/is. There are very few punk bands that are more "right wing" for lack of a better term. Out of the 30k+ songs in my iTunes library, I'd say only some Oi and the Anti-Heros could be considered conservative or trad. There was also a band that got kicked out of 924 Gilman Berkeley for being "offensive". Lol, the irony. United Defiance or something like that. Oh, and The Voodoo Glow skulls kicked out the lead singer for being a Trump fan. But these are outliers

[@jakesmithsonian388]

Now they're all about the jab and kicking out band mates who don't get it. So stupid...

[@Animefan1803]

To quote one of the greatest men in our century: "The only way to be punk in LA is to be a republican" - Trey Parker

[@platinummad4701]

I mean you can try being a lefty in the USA, thats a low IQ take

[@caydenlaffey2019]

Matt Stone and Trey Parker are great, my favourite story of theres is when they got emails from a bunch of angry people who attended the 2000 Oscars who got “their spotlight stolen” by Matt and Trey wearing dresses and coming to the awards high as fuck. Legends.

[@Animefan1803]

@@platinummad4701 nah. If the majority of people walks right, you should march left and vise versa. Mobthink is a terrible thing.

[@platinummad4701]

@@Animefan1803 that's the thing in America noone walks left, democrats are right, Republicans are far right.

[@Animefan1803]

@@platinummad4701 I meant metaphorically. On a political scale there are no sides to pick from. One side is filled with science ignoring morons, while the other is filled with religious science ignoring morons. If you only have 2 items on a menu and both are turd sandwiches, maybe you shouldn´t order. You know what i mean?

[@coldwintersknight9793]

"Old Canadian yells at Cloud" Basically what you have been doing but dangit alot of what you have been saying needs to be said.

[@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668]

SFO: Old man yells at cloud FF7: Cloud yells at old man

[@donnerblitzen1388]

It needs to be said because others won't.

[@lazgmr4746]

I'd be yelling at the clouds if they kept pissing on me

[@lutze5086]

Yeah I heard him tell that joke too...

[@Women_Rock]

Kind of ironic considering the “Alt-right” conservative Gavin McInnes started the whole bowler hat, mustache and suspenders hipster movement along with the [once]”alternative” news site Vice... and they say you cannot be a conservative punk.

[@whiskeycompany13]

@Elephant Counterbalance Gavin Mclnnes! Haven’t heard that name in a while, what’s that idiot been up to?

[@Women_Rock]

Creed Thoughts I think he works for Anthony Cumia’s Compound Media but he may have left. I don’t pay for the subscription so idk.

[@whiskeycompany13]

@Elephant Counterbalance good, who the fuck would pay for that?

[@gregpenismith1248]

Gavin is a piece of shit. That dude sniffs enough of his own farts to make Glenn Beck seem rational.

[@MarquisLeary34]

Gavin is not a "punk". He's an authoritarian who jsut wants an older form of authoritarianism.

[@dariusm5411]

Saying punk can't be right-wing is anti-punk. :)

[@hardromeo436]

I wonder how these "punks" would react to pictures of Sid Viscous wearing swastikas?

[@thepaintjobber]

Me and my Bros, we just started a center-right libertarian punk/metal crossover band. Also a lot of punks in my country are of this same political leaning as we were under communist rule for a long long time, and we have not forgotten it

[@donnerblitzen1388]

Saying punk can't be anything is anti-punk! If they say I can't, SCREW YOU! I will do just that to piss you off!!! Storms off angrily....

[@pedrovpa1]

There is a song from Negative XP that has a line that I think is amazing and says that. It's "Since when Nirvana is classic rock?" And It really synthesies the ideia that the counter culture of today is the culture of tomorrow

[@Desponderado]

I have recently discovered NegativeXP and I am in love with the music but your example is flawed, that song is a parody of the Bowling For Soup song 1985 (Negative XP's version is 1985) and the line is "when did Motley Crue become classic rock" which he changed to Nirvana for his version. I realise you made this comment 2 years ago so hello to the current version of your past self.

[@Desponderado]

Typo, Negative XP's song is 1965. Apologies, I'm half drunk

[@jakesmithsonian388]

Yes, 1965 is a great one of is

[@powermutt4209]

they're just mad bc they grew up on pop punk and only want the aesthetic.

[@Bomtyers0161]

I know someone who has red docs and always say how “aesthetic” they are. Be fuckin funny when they have a look at the history of docs specificity red ones. Incedible how blissfully unaware they are I find it funny as hell

[@babadook1283]

@@JBarbarosa31 If you don't know, Red Doc Martens were part of the bonehead/neo-nazi uniform

[@srj34]

Dude, You are old. Sincerely, Even older dude (45)

[@bedlamite42]

Get off my lawn!

[@ShinFahima]

Cornpop was a bad dude. . .

[@bacht4799]

38 become 39 too summer.. sigh life is a b#tch ..

[@vincentflannigan2727]

The oldies are more counter culture than the kids in their 20's. WeirdChamp

[@RicardoAGuitar]

"Broken record"?? Even your metaphors are boomer

[@starscream8989]

Ironic how Scott pilgrim vs The World ruined an entire generation of women made punks mad since it was offensive when that was what Punk meant to be.

[@unimunoz1159]

Punk isn't just being offensive to anyone or anything. That'd litterly mean every person on this planet is punk 💀

[@yarpenzigrin1893]

@@unimunoz1159 It is being offensive to the mainstream groupthink.

[@MikeHunt-zy3cn]

​@unimunoz1159 it's about offending mainstream pearl clutchers. That used to be the religious right. Now it is the progs.

[@Omega-bb2nn]

punk takes no sides. that is true punk.

[@airplanesoda]

you clearly don'y know what punk is lmaoooo

[@nostalgiaof98]

@@airplanesoda who are you to dictate it? It's almost like punk is subjective, it is not a fixed genre like rap or techno.

[@vincentflannigan2727]

@@airplanesoda Go on explain punk then punkk

[@Omega-bb2nn]

Simon lol anyone who dictates which side punk takes is clearly a poser

[@airplanesoda]

@@Omega-bb2nn punk is inherently a political movement dumbass

[@CWB342]

Do these people not know about Screwdriver & skinheads? or oi? or half the Ramones? or Iggy pop voting for Reagan? What am I saying!? Of course they don't.

[@bacht4799]

Carson B really.. Iggy Pop vote Reagan.. whoa.. that’s must have piss of his good friend Jim Jarmusch at the time., oh well Iggy was probably in hurry to get his career back on track thanks too one of the best cult movie ever.. Repo Man .. God I ❤️ that movie..

[@silverbane8065]

They would probably prefer new romantic, would cry if they went anywhere near a real mosh pit lol.

[@beerbatov]

lol isn't Reagan considered left by modern standards

[@bacht4799]

beerbatov people still hate Reagan according of his politics was terrible too gays because of the misuse of understanding AIDS , black neighborhoods and alternative lifestyles and culture because of it left wing politics plus of course his economic politics who many say is the problem of today economic systems.. but what do I know the most of what I know is from Secular Talk .. 🤷‍♀️

[@CWB342]

@@beerbatov by modern standards? No. The right is largely mad that he signed amnesty. Other than that he was pretty hard line.

[@TheOutlawMan]

"Punk can't be right-wing!!!" Johnny Ramone would like to have a word with you...

[@prav6673]

Nazi punk is more of appropriated term

[@1979RayDay]

Johnny Ramone was a Republican.

[@1979RayDay]

And on a Side note, Johnny Ramone created punk.

[@carbonfiberfan]

So would Billy Milano from S.O.D.

[@gregaman27]

Carlos de la Cruz it cuz they aint punk

[@mr.bootleg424]

"Punk cannot be right-wing." Well, The Ramones would like to have a word.

[@citizenothegalaxy]

So would Gavin McInnes

[@prav6673]

Eskayteen sporting a crass pin when the band would hate him

[@seanseanston]

Wasn't that just Johnny though? Point still stands regardless I suppose.

[@levibull6063]

I thought punk was just punk ... All walks of life and just have a laugh

[@mr.bootleg424]

Yeah, Johnny was the only one, but he was still punk. Sean and Levi are both correct. It can be left and right-wing. The problem is one wing claiming sole ownership.

[@agricola]

"Punk cant be conservative" The Ramones, Sick of it all, Warzone, Day of suffering and Down by law would like to have a word with you...

[@dankmansalley417]

black flag

[@dankmansalley417]

smut peddlers

[@adrianshephard378]

@@dankmansalley417 Black Flag wasn't, but a band they played with a bit the Misfits was

[@joesinclair8910]

One member of ramones was a tory and joey hated him for it wtf do u think he meant by kkk took my baby away. Fuckers that know nothing about punk are always you bootlivking right wingers

[@Porague]

@@joesinclair8910 Oof, establishment bootlicking libtard thinks he has a point again. Come on Joe, you don't have to lie for brown points, she won't fall for you anyway.

[@flaneur1917]

I guess that means the left has “peaked”, and we can now begin to expect to see a descent.

[@saisameer8771]

The wuflu definitely kickstarted it.

[@jiggycalzone8585]

@@saisameer8771 it was already wearing thin after 3 years of nonsense investigations and cancel culture. Corona just gave us all a healthy dose of perspective on what they were demanding vs what really matters

[@omgomgomgd]

we are already on the descent, it actually peaked when obama got re-elected.

[@dazza1156]

I prefer to pull them back down off of their high horses.

[@robbobbrah8953]

Have you not seen the DNC today? They've peaked back in 2012 and have been declining since. Today, their presidential candidate is a rapidly degrading senile old man.

[@soulswordobrigadosegostar]

E-thots:noooooo you can't just make a music about how women have degradated themselves over the years noooooooo Negative XP: haha,women go reeeee

[@airplanesoda]

ok incel

[@soulswordobrigadosegostar]

@@airplanesoda ok simp

[@henrythehoover4363]

Simon define incel

[@hinducroat9838]

@@airplanesoda Please define incel you fucking weeb

[@locustexpresso9507]

The song is a double-edge sword for incels and e-girls tho

[@SkjernOmme]

"punk cant be right wing" Skinheads: *exsits*

[@Praxeus514]

Nicklas Omme Frederiksen skinheads are leftist. 🤣

[@SkjernOmme]

@@Praxeus514 there are a lot of sub groups of skinheads. Yes some of them are lefties and others are nazis

[@arecipeforhate193]

Not all skins fall into the category. There’s one group called S.H.A.R.P.’s which is skinheads against racial prejudice. Guess they didn’t like being thought of as nazis by whackjobs cuz they were balding

[@Grandmaster-Kush]

@@arecipeforhate193 The exception isn't the norm Skinhead will always be be synonymous with far right or fascism

[@bungieborris9111]

KILL BABY KILL literally revitalized the oi! scene in europe.

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

And NegativeXP himself made the definitive gender swap version of the song just to include the people who may or may not have made the responses “he watched anime, and it made him gay”

[@anderamericanus2286]

Anyone who lived through the punk era and was actually apart of the scene knows that it’s dead. “Pop punk” is an oxymoron. The genre went mainstream and was taken over by a bunch of stuck up, hipster suburbanites.

[@Mind_puzzler]

Also negative xp never even claimed to be "punk" most of his music is straignt up power pop or alt rock

[@totallynoteverything1.]

let's create a new Punk sub genre, where the fashion is literally your job uniform (preferably from a minimum wage or factory job), and hating Corporations

[@totallynoteverything1.]

no bitchy women allowed too, only men and tomboys

[@Strato_Casterrr9898]

@@totallynoteverything1. Isn't that just like early Blur?

[@sandakureva]

That 90s grunge/punk sound set off way more fond memories than I expected.

[@RedFenceAnime]

These people don't realize 15 years have past and we're living in a new era.

[@MarquisLeary34]

Then again, their opposition wants us to go back 70 years or more....

[@anythingbutmyrealname]

Mkultra victim is another good Negative XP song just leaving this here thx

[@brainman67]

Yeah that one is really good his new ep is pretty good too

[@CharzaKitsune]

5:35 "hey look, everyone! I'm projecting!", the tiktok

[@nightmathzombieethan]

She/it got rejected by too many Kyles.

[@voctur]

Imagine all those "punk girls" listening to GG Allin 🤔

[@Irishhound]

I doubt half of them know who gg allin is. Funny cause a lot of the o.g. punk got along with country hell raisers such as Hank 3.

[@cesarvialpando7736]

His songs are honestly horrible but god damn was he crazy

[@floorijzerman]

@@cesarvialpando7736 he was the first SJW really

[@kingofspeeddr.robert4611]

@@floorijzerman He was a fascinating character to be completely kind to the man

[@Tickerchicken]

Pretty sure people at his concerts where imagining what it was like to listen to his music as he flung shit around and punched random people

[@thecripplingestofdepressio2686]

Imagine bullying people to conform to your world view, harassing them for using the wrong words, trying to get them fired for not towing the line, abusing them when they don't put pronouns in their bio to act like good little allies, screaming over them when they try to talk, and then somehow still thinking that you're the good guys?

[@MarquisLeary34]

Kinda like thinking you're the good guy when you call for homosexuals to all be hanged, want people who disagree with you to be put into Guantanamo Bay as terrorists, and that women should have their right to vote removed.

[@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle]

Minor nitpick here, the phrase is "toeing the line" not "towing the line" I apologize but the English major in me had to say something

[@thecripplingestofdepressio2686]

@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle Oh shit, I never knew. I always assumed it was 'towing the line' as in, we're all pulling on this thing, so you need to conform and pull on it too. Thanks.

[@TheTGOAC]

@@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle Actually it's pedant, not English major. Sorry, the pedant in me had to say something. Also, correcting someone because EnGlISh MaJoR while not using endmarks on your sentences. Lol, lmao even.

[@ICantThinkOfAFunnyHandle]

@@TheTGOAC surprisingly enough, I don't have a stick up my ass so I don't type like a posh asshole all the time.

[@Ultra_Sauce]

“The test of this generation of me isn’t how many women you can sleep with, it’s having the ability to have a woman you can settle down with who is calm and appropriate”

[@athingwhichexists]

I think 4 Chan kind of demonstrates this perfectly. Because the main culture keeps banning all who disagree, the real counterculture (the ones against the popular culture) were forced to go to the one website that doesn't ban you for your ideologies. They've been pumping out memes ever since that simply offend the the majority of people and have been enjoying said memes entirely because people are offended by them. The real countercultures will always be the ones everyone gets offended by, and right now, that's the right. edit: wow, that is one flame war bellow

[@ftwallday3112]

Nobody likes Nazis, face it...

[@locustexpresso9507]

@@GenericProtagonist7 The original comment mentions 4chan as an example of "right-wing counter culture", 4chan has /pol/ (a very white power/ fascist/ pro-nazi board)

[@locustexpresso9507]

@@GenericProtagonist7 Im not implying that everyone on the right is a nazi, just that people in 4chan (specifically in /pol/) are more likely to be nazis, something that critiques the original comment, (although, I have to say that the nazis and nazbols in /pol/ are the reason the board has a bad reputation).

[@tzaphkielconficturus7136]

@da newb That's because KZbin has not mastered the art of the containment board.

[@yourlocalmemeandanimedeale807]

@@ftwallday3112 Nazi is a party.

[@lenargilmanov7893]

An incelcore concert was cancelled in Toronto recently due to the complaints from antifa. It scares and offends people... just like punk used to do in the 80's.

[@EVeljko]

Back in my day we'd call these people 'posers'. Then we'd beat 'em up. But I guess that's not considered punk anymore. But then again, that's why it still is.

[@k1dofficial]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gabdaZyGeNGLlac

[@TheEndiPL]

People who think Punk *should* be *anything* are the ones that think of themselves of punks only because it's now popular. A punk isn't anything, but themselves.

[@TheEndiPL]

​@Lynchology101 Yeah a punk can wear suits for all that it inclines. The only thing punk has been and is about is the individual kicking down on the establishment that rejects them.

[@Lee-rs3kk]

Amen!

[@cohngo]

FUCK YEAH someone actually gets it .

[@commandershepard5878]

This.

[@thevangelist777]

That thing who did the "parody" is clearly talking about an ex-partner.

[@lugbzurg8987]

Nah, just projecting. Anyone they don't like needs to be EVERYTHING they don't like.

[@davidgusquiloor2665]

@@lugbzurg8987 Why not both?

[@thevangelist777]

@@lugbzurg8987 it's probably both LMAO

[@WolfGr33d]

"Punk cannot literally be right wing!" Me: *nervously shuffles Cock Sparrer's 'Get a Rope' under the rug*

[@Lobotomyaftermath]

5:20 That reminds me it is so sad how nowadays wanting your partner to be intimate with you and you only is considered being"Controlling"

[@highenginseer8824]

In short, they've become what they rebelled against. Easily triggered and upset that they can't impose their rigid ideals on everyone else.

[@unimunoz1159]

You do realize conservative values is what's mainstream right

[@argil7192]

Counter Culture is oddly conformist, despite it saying it isn't.

[@riotact9718]

So what youre saying is "Conservative is the new punk"

[@Milligan777]

Gavin was right all along

[@johnathanpenczek5499]

To quote the creators of south park: "The only way to be punk in LA is to be a republican" I fucked up and voted libertarian.

[@lith2757]

i love that i had "conservative punk" in my twitter handle for years.. and no one cared. And NOW i`m getting angry DM`s lmfao

[@johnnyferalcat896]

I consider myself a moderate, neither party, but for some reason, these crazy leftists seem to think moderate is far right, in fact they seem to think anyone who's not afar left us like them is far right

[@drdeesnutts48]

70s and Hippies Weird that someone criticizing try hards would get the wrong decade.

[@somethingsomething8511]

The hippies started in the 60s and burned out in the 70s

[@antimonycup7066]

@@SuperiorMind My hippie parents definitely stopped being hippies in the late 70s (here in Europe). My mom took up golf and my dad started traveling a lot around the world with the new wife.

[@Grandmaster-Kush]

Hippies, brought to you by CIA™

[@chrishenniker5944]

@@Grandmaster-KushI’d rather be a mod.

[@JumpDaddy70]

Remember fellas, heavy metal has always been about personal freedom. Always will be, and will never die

[@ohcaptainmycaptain3478]

@@yungpm Hell yeah!

[@CynicalOldDwarf]

Cue 'Saxon - Forever Free' with a harley riding montage.

[@enigmaticbeing666]

🤘🤘

[@TheFatController.]

This guy's music is genuinely good. Being an old b@stard, i can say this is some actual punk attitude. The guy has some excellent lyrics in just about every song he has made.

[@harleymitchelly5542]

"You can't be a right wing punk!" Uh huh. Let me get out my Ramones discography, you know, the same band with a member who praised Bush and did the most punk thing ever by being anti-punk-establishment during the punk era.

[@animeking1357]

"Idgaf if you cisgender put your damn pronouns in your bio" No, no I don't think I will.

[@CodenameWraith]

"Punk can't be right-wing!" Johnny Ramone is rolling in his grave right now.

[@MarquisLeary34]

I can't recall many Ramones songs praising Christian hierarchies and traditional gender roles.

[@BreakingBreadcrumbs]

@@MarquisLeary34 he was a conservative Republican

[@MarquisLeary34]

@@BreakingBreadcrumbs So why didn't the songs reflect that, and occasionally even lampoon it (IE: Commando)

[@wicked_death2859]

@@MarquisLeary34 Because no one really cared, and politics weren't as relevant as it is now, not to mention, none of that BS wasn't really thought about at the time either, and Ramones we're smart enough to keep Politics out as well

[@MarquisLeary34]

@@wicked_death2859 Punk wasn't being political? Are you sure about that? And again, did you listen to Commando, Psycho Therapy, The KKK Took My Baby Away for crissakes. No, not everything The Ramones did was political tracks, but to say they never did any is sure fire way to tell you never listened to them.

[@portofthoughts4477]

"You can't be a conservative punk" ... Holiday in Cambodia, anyone? The Dead Kennedy's certainly weren't conservative, but they weren't down with communism, either. These kids don't understand these movements so they misconstrue them into whatever they want them to be. Communism isn't an anarchist utopia, it's an authoritarian nightmare.

[@O2Eater]

small brain:girls who like scott pilgrim big brain: girls who like kunio-kun

[@ShortFatOtaku]

Y E S

[@KamenKami]

Mai nigga.

[@Manga-tf2qd]

@@KamenKami Fun fact: "mai" in italian means "never" so.... never nigga!

[@Shockguey]

There's lots of girls dying their hair to this song on TikTok. They're being unapologetic about it now. Imagine being proud of Bipolar Disorder.

[@sweetdangerzack]

Imagine seeking a diagnosis in order to rationalize your own shitty behavior.

[@hellman5820]

bpd is borderline personality disorder. MUCH WORSE to deal with. the worst personality disorder that is commonplace in these women that dont know who they are.

[@Shockguey]

@@hellman5820 Is it better to believe that they're confused or that they know exactly what they're doing? I'd argue that at least in the scope of the culture war they know what they're cutting down.

[@hellman5820]

@@Shockguey im saying they dont know anything about themselves, im sure they know what theyre doing.

[@steelshepherd6843]

They would fit right in at the jail I work. People indulge and delight in mental health diagnoses, it makes them feel edgy while explaining why they make poor decisions and lash out at everything. "Look out, I don't know what I might do next" Hint: According to the DSM, most all human behavior is a "disorder" if it is "a pattern of behavior in which X occurs so many times in 4-6 weeks, etc"

[@Gabrhil]

Yeah, being into rock and metal since high school, that's something that's stumped me for a long time. If punk is supposed to be about individualism and "stickin' it to the man" then why the hell is communism and snowflake culture so popular in these circles? Like, I feel so out of place at local shows now because of this vibe I get.

[@geomancer6894]

I feel that rock and metal have long since played out the bashing of religion and specifically Christianity. Now it's just another socially-approved punching bag to churn out more hackneyed songs about, but at the same time I especially love black metal that deals with the, sometimes negative, esoteric aspects of Christian mythology.

[@blankflank3488]

@@geomancer6894 Even tho black metal isn't usually my thing (but I love a black death combo), I feel like it's the only genre that might be safe from sjw politics, just because of the type of people that generally make the music.

[@Parcha64]

Tumblr girls turned the scene into another fangirl, "Beatles mania" kind of thing. When one of my pals started treating a 3rd rate band like Justin Bieber, I knew the spirit of metal was dead and gone.

[@LeavingGoose046]

@@geomancer6894 Maybe I'm just listening to old stuff but a lot of rock and the only metal I listen to are overtly religious (although tbf the metal is because of the crusades being a topic), although I have been known to get music classifications wrong

[@thomascircle245]

There are a variety of reasons, likely, but probably it's primarily two. 1) We have more and more people coming of age who never grew up with communism. Not as in, never grew up under communist regimes, but as in, never grew up in fear of communism. It was an accepted fact during the Cold War that the world was politically bipolar; there was no guarantee that democracy would win, and so more of the uppity, hedonistic types in the west understood that if communism won, it would be worse for them. Not all of them understood this, but more of them did. They might still have been left of center but they understood the need to keep what Leftism meant in the west different from what it meant elsewhere. After communism failed, the ideology of the First World took over most of the world. So when there are not really any communist governments left that are on the offensive against freedom outside their borders (or at least, weren't until recently), rebellious people feel suspicious only of the US government, culture, business, etc, because those are the only power-mongers left who can really affect global political culture anymore. Meanwhile, many have come to sympathize with communism for the same reason that people sympathize with the Native Americans and Confederate States; when they build up a resentment of the USA then they can't help but wonder if the some of the things the USA defeated and essentially destroyed had merit. 2) Punk may not be innately left-wing, but it's hard to deny that it wants, on some level, to change things. Part of the reason that recently one man's punk can be called another man's (or maybe, woman's) fascist is that historically fascists DID want to change things for what they saw as the better. They rallied against the prior governments in the countries they took over, out of the notion that those governments were failing their people. Of course, the exact same is true of communism, and that gives you the answer to why many punks like communism. Above all else, punks want to make an impact; they want their brashness to affect things. If people can just ignore them, there's no point to being punks. They desire to feel like they're doing something valuable as opposed to just wasting time and disturbing the peace. Thus it's possible that from a pure punk standpoint, no change is bad change. What makes a figure like Che Guevara a hero to many punks and the like is that he's that fantasy made real. He's an example of a man driven by seething anger from a young age, who made drastic changes to the countries whose governments he overthrew. Measurably bad ones, even by exclusively leftist standards, but to anyone who's a punk first and a Marxist second, if at all really, arguably all that matters is he made a change. He fought people who stood for what had been, and he beat them. Often lethally. Incidentally, right-wing punks are also not new. Hell's Angels can be cited as an American example, while in Britain, the skinhead movement actually began as a fairly unfocused punk scene before it attracted so many white nationalists that the two became inseparable afterwards; especially to speakers outside of Britain. More recently, Neo-Nazis in Germany have also been retooling their image from a punk one to a hipster one, earning themselves the portmanteau label, nipsters. Something I also think should be said here is that, right-wing or left-wing, conservative or progressive, what people would label punks are more driven by youthful emotion than by patient nuance and philosophy; more driven by ire at what is than by any concrete vision of what ought to be. I've read that one of the problems with the label "conservative" is that it arguably has no objective meaning of its own and instead can only inherit meaning from a country's current status quo, which doesn't allow for calling the likes of Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher conservatives, as both took power in countries that had been run by further left governments, and changed them drastically. In fact, they changed the WORLD drastically. But be this as it may, few would ever call Reagan and Thatcher punks, because despite causing massive changes, they were overwhelmingly POLITICIANS. They affected changes by putting on business suits, going to debates, learning to speak across the aisle and convincing the unconvinced. Reagan's platform was overwhelmingly built on his opposition to communism, but he was still friendly with the Soviet leader. Meanwhile, with punks, I think a big consistency is their opposition to the sort of polite, stylish behavior that characterizes politics. It looks to them like a phony ritual when people representing a whole slew of ideologies and countries start dressing and talking in the same way, it makes it harder for many people who aren't part of that culture to see themselves in politicians, with or without a common ideology, and they see that ritual as too intolerably inefficient to affect whatever changes they want. And incidentally, that's still more or less true of these old punks who now go up to bat for the majority of US government policies. They see Biden as their ally, but they don't likely see Biden as one of them. He's a suit, and they're not. Even if the punk look has been appropriated by major fashion labels, it's still not the formal look.

[@jessehurst2864]

I don't think Ramona Flowers ruined anyone, her esthetic just painted giant red flags on all the trashy girls out there. Ya'll should be celebrating her.

[@michaelwellen2866]

Yea, she's pretty clear that she's a terrible person, and to be honest it's also clear that Scott is as well.

[@kodybuffettwilson]

Punk can’t be conservative? *The Ramones would like to know your location*

[@thewhynaut5070]

THIS

[@coreyholloway6898]

They weren't all Conservative. The kkk took my baby away is actually joey calling Johnny a kkk member because of his Conservative views and stealing his gf

[@kodybuffettwilson]

@@coreyholloway6898 I'm aware it was Johnny who was the outlier, but the band tolerated his differing views, funny how understanding punk could be without all the antithetical dogmatic bs.

[@ftwallday3112]

You mean 1 douchebag from The Ramones, a lame-ass pop punk band

[@ftwallday3112]

@Shlomo Shekelstein but Guttermouth isn't "right wing" idiot.

[@austinknox5217]

I fell hard for a girl like this in highschool. Waste of time an energy.

[@awesomesauce010]

LMAOOOO

[@sl4y8r76]

we all did

[@AreEia]

Spot on! Loved punk when I was younger, mostly because of the focus on individualism, rebellion against establishment and anti-authoritharian vibe. Sadly 99% of the bands I used to like have now become avatars of corporate shills. Most younger people I see now that "love" punk have absolutely no idea of what it is, and what used to be an expression of individualism(hair, clothes, not conforming) is now as common place as the "stepford wives" look was in the 50's. So in the words of one of the few actual punk rockers left: “People don’t understand, because everything’s so cancel-culture, woke bullshit nowadays, but you could never have the punk explosion nowadays, because of cancel culture and woke bullshit,” he added. “You could never have it. It would never have happened. We’re lucky it happened when it did, because it’ll never happen again. You won’t have any of those kinds of bands ever again. Everyone’s so uptight and P.C., it’s just like, ‘OK, whatever.'” Glenn Danzig, Misfits

[@OhRaez]

The amount of girls I know that are like this kills me

[@OhRaez]

@@JBarbarosa31 Which is a sad reality. I've been lucky to find a girlfriend who is normal, and we agree politically, morally, etc.. I truly feel bad for a lot of men out there though who haven't (or simply can't) meet someone with a set of values, sense of maturity and common sense.

[@RogerTheil]

As an old punker myself, thank you for this.

[@Gilambesh]

I was around the punk culture in London in the late 80s and early 90s. The SJWs would have had the shit kicked out of them.

[@emile1365]

Back in the 90's the club scene would've seen them off.

[@chrishenniker5944]

A screaming Hexagon! Ravers seeing off the SJWs? I like the prospect of that.

[@cohngo]

They would've get bottles thrown at them then maybe getting beaten up for not letting the people enjoy their shit

[@chrishenniker5944]

congo They slag off Morrissey, who's work is always amazing, yet he came out of the punk scene and is from a working class background.

[@zillafire101]

"Nazi punks fuck off" Yeah dude, totally not a left wing scene.

[@Totalvermin51]

Only in the 2020s can you see pro-establishment and pro-government punks...

[@jonlewis6357]

"Punk" in 2020 is being a traditional consertive 50s man stereotype

[@blankpage9277]

That's hot dang. We need a trad movement.

[@fierysmile2929]

How did we get here.

[@Sealwithwificonnection]

@Dmitry TKR unironically this

[@Sealwithwificonnection]

@@robertreid5046 pretty much. People are so bought into hedonism that you really can't explain this to your average degenerate

[@Slateproc]

I think Gorillaz said it best in the intermission track on their humanz album "AND NOW, LET'S REPEAT THE NON-CONFORMIST OATH I PROMISE TO BE DIFFERENT I PROMISE TO BE UNIQUE I PROMISE NOT TO REPEAT THINGS OTHER PEOPLE SAY"

[@toby2581]

That was Steve Martin.

[@JP-1990]

"You can't be punk and right-wing!" [Laughs in Screwdriver]

[@yungpm]

Ryan Jones i guess real punks would listen to Screwdriver. Because that would go against the mold of other punks.

[@yungpm]

Ryan Jones but then those punk who didn’t listen to punk to be more punk, would realize that the punk community wasn’t listening to punk and to go against the grain they would listen to punk. And the cycle would go on forever.

[@techdeckofficial]

poodle mask then the only punks are literal nazis

[@MarquisLeary34]

Screwdriver weren't anti authoritarian. They just wanted an older form of authoritarianism.

[@SlayerOfTheDamned]

A never knew me being a conservative man would label me as a punk. Wtf happened to the world?

[@MMDelta9]

The world is still the same as it has always been... *it's the people that are f*cked.*

[@SpartanTrigger]

Loved this video , as a 90s kid myself who had his goth phase ( is that even around anymore ?) I’d love more vids on culture /cultural trends This was one of your best vids in my opinion

[@jiggycalzone8585]

Didn't goth turn into emo which had a drunken 1 night stand with skater and became scene, then scene became proto- hipster which lead to full hipster which lead the myopia of styles you see before you with no beginning or end

[@SpartanTrigger]

c a.c. n probably, I have long hair , kind of the old emo style ( since I can’t get a haircut cause quarantine) and a lot of younger people think I’m wanting to look like a hipster because I wear glasses ( not for fashion ) Ya as soon as scene went to hipster it went downhill I think , I still remember scene when I was is high school in the the early 2010s

[@magosofmars8410]

Goth still has a large subculture in the uk they have a march every year thousands flock to some random town in the north and march about

[@davidgusquiloor2665]

I've seen a few people that identify as goths but they only like the aesthetic. No goth attitude in them.

[@luiseatoll6368]

5:28 Is.... Is he singing about Carlos Maza?

[@luxie8097]

"Punk can't be right wing" **laughs in Skrewdriver and the entire RAC genre**

[@andrewlawrence5934]

KBK!

[@dismantledbrain5910]

There's nothing more punk than telling someone they are not welcome in the punk community.

[@sameash3153]

Unironically tbh