The New Hisuian Pokemon in Legends Arceus

[@WolfeyVGC]

What is your favorite Hisuian Pokemon?

[@nancykopff]

Hisuian avalugg

[@levistewart8856]

Typhlosion. I named mine Ace because it’s a Ghost-type.

[@air_dealer]

Ursaluna is my lord and savior 🙏

[@shironeko1843]

@@levistewart8856 I see what you did there

[@Mendejito]

Honestly Goodra

[@Glacial11]

Hisuian Goodra is so good. Goodra was already bulky so adding a steel typing to it and giving it shelter makes it so difficult to kill.

[@bruceU]

They finally gave us baby dialga

[@Retro89Dec]

I thought Duraludon was baby dialga?

[@jayanths1221]

@@Retro89Dec Hisuian-Goodra is baby Dialga. Duraludon is just Dialga's toilet 🚽

[@JavierSanchez-jl6ge]

@@jayanths1221 nah duraldon is his lighter

[@Slither.Wing.]

If only Duraludon’s attack and special defense were swapped it could literally be baby dialga

[@generalzur1575]

Hey Wolfey, Just wanted to point out one thing. H-Goodra's signature move "Shelter" also raises its evasiveness. Along with both Special Defense and Defense. Its cracked.

[@autobotstarscream765]

Raises Evasion? Banned!

[@noxtide7043]

@@autobotstarscream765 we will never see this cracked snail in competitive now

[@_friedtofu]

I feel like the "evasiveness" part will be removed to make it balanced.

[@lowlandfool8751]

My god if you get outspeeded you just either miss or deal less damage

[@cursedcat6467]

@@lowlandfool8751 how would you get outsped by hisuin goodra?

[@arlen7726]

Victory dance possibly becoming a physical quiver dance gives me Oricorio ideas.

[@generalsynnacle23]

But Oricorio specializes in Sp.ATK.

[@arlen7726]

@@generalsynnacle23 doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be useful to boost its defense sometimes

[@prathyushareddy9741]

It give 50% more base damage to your moves

[@HD-gz2ge]

*pulls out glock*

[@assassinviii6477]

Physical Quiver Dance would make the most sense if it gets implemented

[@isupor]

I feel like H-Electrode's stats were balanced more around the PLA battle system, where the lower attacking stats are balanced out by potentially taking multiple turns in a row

[@hecktate1763]

Yeah I've been loving him in PLA. I consistently get 2 turns for each of my opponent's and I can use 1 of those with a thunder wave, meaning they also get a chance to lose that 1 turn they get. Only problem is when the next pokemon switches in and can deal some heavy damage on me before I can switch out.

[@ultimaterecoil1136]

@@hecktate1763 only 2. You can get double digits with a fast mon with priority moves.

[@beanids]

@@ultimaterecoil1136 Agile priority gets triple digits.

[@angellday61]

I’ve gotten 4 attacks in a row with Shaymin Sky. Shay is way to fast lmao

[@andrewrobinson8542]

There is no way to make 100 moves in a row, youd run out of PP

[@jamesmasse5794]

Zoroark disguising as a justified pokemon with it's only weakness being dark could lead to some serious mind games

[@mectainea5575]

And then play 4 dimensional chess once they find out its a Zoroark by switching into the actual justified pokemon if they try for a dark type attack

[@soulofsomething6651]

I honestly wanted them to give him a new ability since his signature move inflicts Frostbite Like: His moves double the damage against enemies with status condition

[@RSmeep13]

@@soulofsomething6651 bitter malice is already double damage against status, doubling it again would be insane

[@soulofsomething6651]

@@RSmeep13 Well, Dracovish with Fishious Rend exits

[@krishonboucher-best2550]

Zorak counter absol

[@generalsynnacle23]

I’m so glad they finally did Lilligant justice. One of my first favorite Pokémon when I was younger, and the alien eye aesthetic personally adds to the charm of its Hisuian design as a ballerina while it beats your ass.

[@happybrony4323]

One of the things with stat boosting and status condition in Arceus is that they run out. That probably was a factor in how they designed the new stat boosting moves.

[@fynn5423]

Can u elaborate on what u mean when u say they „run out“. As someone who has not got the chance of playing them yet I don’t quite understand.

[@gavinyu8873]

@@fynn5423 unlike stat boosting moves in the mainline games, stat boost only last a few turns in Arceus.

[@happybrony4323]

@@fynn5423 After a couple of turns, the stats go back to normal or the status effect disappears. Was quite shocked when it happened to me during a trainer battle.

[@danielbernhardt1327]

@@fynn5423 Also the stat boosting moves don't stack. If you use swords dance twice it just resets the number of turns until it wears off.

[@HandlesAreUgly]

Chloroblast seems intended to be a grass-type selfdestruct style move to me. Selfdestruct deals a ton of recoil damage rather than knocking the user out in Legends Arceus, and Chloroblast's recoil is comparable. My favorite is Goodra though, I really liked seeing the pool floaty that is Sligoo in the wild for the first time, and Goodra's giant shell and scrawny front half is a lot of fun design-wise

[@reneantoniorodriguezippoli7561]

Chloroblast is just a Grass-type Steel Beam.

[@iantaakalla8180]

When the meta that involves knocking out your Pokémon as fast as possible is back on Smogon, Hisuian Voltorb is going to be fun.

[@NoHer0]

@@reneantoniorodriguezippoli7561 Honestly worse since it also drops speed

[@mortar9954]

@@NoHer0It got bugg now the move power is 150 and doesn’t lower speed.

[@the_one_gio]

They put so much time into making Hisui Arcanine look cool that they forgot to make it good.

[@agentblackbird9435]

Once I saw it had Magcargo and Coalossal’s type combination I knew it was doomed

[@tyranitararmaldo]

@@agentblackbird9435 Rock/Fire isn't quite that bad. But you basically need stats like Weavile to get good leverage out of it, as the coverage isn't bad at all. Any defensive Rock/Fire is doomed for sure.

[@gaberobison680]

God Gamefreak’s designers are just incompetent. They’ve powercreeped so much and make intentionally bad pokemon

[@behemoth2887]

I mean if you think about it logically this is in the past and in time these pokemon died out and evolved and changed to be better

[@somedragonbastard]

I honestly don't even think it looks good. It's values (color wise) are way too close to each other. Either the gray or red needed to be lighter or darker

[@tiredtortoise3396]

"Flash Cannon, which I'm sure it will get" My goodness I hope so. Hisuian Goodra only getting Steel Beam as a Special Steel Move is bad enough in Legends: Arceus, it would be nightmarish when trying to use it outside of that game.

[@generalsynnacle23]

Agreed. I’ve been stuck with Iron Head both because the research task for Goodra requires it, and because it’s the only reliable STAB steel move it has. Also because the animation for it is funny af.

[@jyrrin]

not gonna lie, i was gonna join the h-goodra bandwagon but i ended up using empoleon in my playthrough. empoleon doesn't get any stat buffs but he did the job better with roost (vs. rest). apparently, you can lower steel beam's recoil in agile style and i was actually able to spam it using roost coupled with empoleon's great defensive typing. and knowing how kommo-o used to be the most trash pseudo until game freak compensated it with claygrorus shoul/scale shot, you can bet your ass h-goodra is getting the same treatment (aka getting shell smash) lmao.

[@lama99654]

@@jyrrin bro this is a purely single player game, it doesn’t really matter which Pokémon is better because you can’t use them in comp anyway

[@generalsynnacle23]

@Dan Won It is. I know because Bronzong and Magneton/zone have it.

[@tiredtortoise3396]

@Dan Won Worryingly, it is indeed in the game. I just double-checked on my Lucario.

[@shadowflamegaming5598]

Hisuian Goodra definitely is a couple tiers above normal goodra, it will be fun to see in the VGC format(hopefully)!

[@kayschut9327]

I already loved using a physical Goodra in VGC in the first few seasons of SwSh. I would love seeing H-Lilligant get Petal Blizzard and put it next to an H-Goodra with Sap Sipper.

[@matthewchamberlain2953]

IDK about a couple tiers, mostly due to the added weakness to Fighting and Ground, along with losing its Fire resistance, but it's still definitely better.

[@kayschut9327]

@@matthewchamberlain2953 Most fighting and ground moves are physical, and it gained quite a bit of base defense to compensate it seems.

[@rabeechowdhury]

@@kayschut9327 but you wouldn't be using this thing to switch into Fairy type attacks rather more likely to be switching into electric, rock, flying, water, and normal type attacks.

[@big__shell]

@@matthewchamberlain2953 you say added weaknesses like adding the steel typing doesn't get rid of dragon's ice, fairy and dragon weaknesses

[@dracogar865]

I was hoping they would give Hisuian Arcanine the Rock Head ability along with Headsmash giving it a nice offesive pressure with Head Smash Wild Charge Flareblitz and Double edge

[@dimitrimoore3319]

That would be so fun

[@drdeesnutts48]

They might, no abilities in PLA but if we get these guys in gen 9 who knows?

[@tonym.8069]

They still might, theres murmurings in late february theyll finally add home compatibility to both bdsp and pla but dont hold your breath. A lot are saying most abilities are place holders which does make sense.

[@agentblackbird9435]

@@drdeesnutts48 Hisuian Zoroark was in the Gen 9 trailer so maybe

[@lilchromie]

Hisuian Arcanine has been confirmed to have rock head as a hidden ability

[@felixn.9599]

0:58 Arcanine 4:44 Electrode 9:33 Lilligant 15:28 Zoroark 20:08 Braviary 22:38 Goodra 26:26 Avalugg @WolfeyVGC: great video as always @Everyone else: youre welcome

[@AlphaladZXA]

Where's wyrdeer and ursaluna?

[@crppledizzle9374]

@@AlphaladZXA like wolfey said, new Pokemon and starters were ranked in a different video

[@ericboswell7439]

Shelter also raises Goodra's evasion, so now its harder to hit and going to take less damage. Goodra is very good IMO

[@autobotstarscream765]

Raises Evasion? Banned!

[@crystalcat1002]

@@autobotstarscream765 I hope not. Something about Hisuian Goodra feels like a "once in a lifetime" mon. Like, we're never getting something like this again anytime soon.

[@krotash7740]

I think Braviary is getting the short end of the stick here. Yea it lost speed, but Its signature move Esper Wing raises action speed, which when compared to mainline game moves makes it a priority move. Maybe still not great, but priority is never to be underestimated, especially on a STAB special move almost as strong as extreme speed. I am most hyper for Liligant and Goodra though. Both have been absolute monsters in Arceus so far.

[@phantom4765]

Goodra could be amazing as a weakness policy Mon under trick room with a partner like bulldoze dusclops especially since it's immune to amoongus because of overcoat

[@nathanandsugar5252]

An Assault Vest would look goofy on regular Goodra, but on H Goodra comically goofy.

[@pikazilla6405]

“It’s a special attacker with defiant!” My thoughts on empolean too such a shame

[@ChaoGuy2006]

What if, like the stat-boosting moves- Defiant raises both physical and special attack? I'm against making all stat boosting stuff apply to both physical and special stats if only aesthetic wise (harden vs. barrier, swords dance vs. nasty plot). But I wouldn't be against it...

[@squidfan6187]

I used my empoleon as a physical attacker, just because it's special attack is higher doesn't mean it's attack is terrible, combine it with defiant and swords dance and a decent physical move pool and you get a pretty good bulky setup sweeper

[@misirtere9836]

@@ChaoGuy2006 Not a good choice of example moves, because Barrier raises physical defense too.

[@FakeHeroFang]

@@ChaoGuy2006 there is literally a special attack counterpart to defiant, boosting both would be overkill.

[@tetzy5172]

Still, not as bad as Moxie Pyroar

[@philtess3126]

Buffs in arceus are balanced over the fact that they have a duration. I've read somewhere that casting a buff in the agile form last 2 turns, normal cast is 3 turns and strong cast is 4 turns. I really doubt they would release these as permanent buffs in the mainline game. I hope they add PvP in dlc though just to try out this battle system with someone who actually switches mon.

[@SuperEljafru]

i’m still holding out for ability changes and move pool additions. hisuian arcanine had so much potential as a wall breaker with rock head smash and flare blitz

[@Druid-T]

Yeah, hopefully those are just placeholder abilities because even having H-Arcanine as a kamikaze wall breaker would be better than trying to use K-Arcanine's more support oriented abilities on a defensively awful type combo

[@alexv0714]

@@Druid-T it HASSSS to be placeholder abilities... Defiant HBraviary? Really???

[@Druid-T]

@@alexv0714 You say that like Empoleon isn't burned by the same bizarre choice

[@alexv0714]

@@Druid-T hey I'm not saying they don't need to fix that too GF really wants to push the idea that maybe mixed attackers aren't that bad. you can't have a bulky mixed attacker. you just can't.

[@ghengiroo4143]

@This Is Jay A god awful typing defensively, but offensively it’s pretty good.

[@insomniacnerd5592]

Really think Zoroark and Goodra are the two stand outs. They seem like they’ll definitely be in the meta.

[@mohammadmurie]

LIlligant also got some potential, maybe in lower tiers but it does have potential to be very good

[@insomniacnerd5592]

@@mohammadmurie She’s definitely in third place for sure.

[@mohammadmurie]

@@insomniacnerd5592 yeah I agree Goodra and Zoroark are in first and second, respectfully for me, and then lilligant in a solid 3rd

[@Eclipsed_Embers]

is it legal to use two variants of the same pokemon on the same team? like using normal Zoroark and Hisuian Zoroark together?

[@HALberdier17]

@@Eclipsed_Embers no most tournaments ban teams with two Pokémon that share a Pokédex number.

[@Greatbabyred]

zoroark has always been my favorite pokemon, and im so happy about his hisuian form because the type becomes infinitely better, the stats are better, and the design is still awesome

[@Eclipsed_Embers]

yeah that typing seems amazing, 3 immunities, 2 resistances and only 1 weakness

[@nothingtoreport1918]

I think Zoroark being able to disguise itself as a support Pokémon like Whimsicott and being immune to the inevitable incoming Fake Outs is a very underrated quality that it has. Plus soaking Close Combats pretending to be a Pokémon like Tyranitar also sounds super useful.

[@TheCookieMonstr]

Wolfey “It’s a special attacker’s with defiant?!” Empoleon “there is another”

[@ghengiroo4143]

Pyroar as well

[@theimpersonator7086]

I really hope the abilities of some of the Hisu mons get changed. Like H-Samurott: Justified or Defiant HCanine: Rockhead or Reckless HPhlosion: Adaptability

[@soulofsomething6651]

Adaptability Eruption go brrr

[@rabeechowdhury]

with h samurott I would love a fairy type version of justified.

[@ghengiroo4143]

I can imagine Typhlosion getting Serene Grace. It sounds weird, but it’s based on how it cleanses lost souls and guides them to the afterlife. It would also make it easier to burn opponents to power up Infernal Parade or Hex. I think it would be really fun to see a Serene Grace mon that doesn’t rely on flinch hax to be viable.

[@musicsheep9816]

What about Hisui Quilfish with Eviolite? It resists Knockoff, which would give it practically a free chance to punish someone for attempting knockoff.

[@RandalfElVikingo]

Or Usaring with Eviolite.

[@robinscompass5951]

I could be wrong but I personally interpreted braviary’s signature move as being a priority move which I think could be rather scary if that is what it is since it has solid BP and can flinch

[@generalsynnacle23]

Dark types laugh at Braviary behind its back.

[@alexv0714]

I think what's supposed to happen is Esper Wing gives it a speed boost with chance to flinch. That would make sense why it had a speed nerf from its Unovan form, plus Defiant could be a placeholder for Competitive instead, to match Braviary going from a physical to special attacker (also plz give my boi Boltund Defiant instead of Competitive wtf Game Freak)

[@ghengiroo4143]

Esper Wing has a high crit chance, not flinch chance. Makes Sheer Force not as good as well, since you won’t be able to use it effectively alongside Esper Wing. Still pretty scary though, especially if they fix the abilities and give it Competitive.

[@alexv0714]

@@ghengiroo4143 ty for the clarification. yeah I still think with the speed boost it's busted if they get Competitive

[@diptube6563]

Fire and rock would be an awesome offensive type for a sweeper, but we only get it in tanky bulky low damage Pokemon

[@soulofsomething6651]

Gamefreak: Oh a Rock Type!! it needs to be slow

[@tetzy5172]

Same with Ice Rock, the typing already weak defensively, yet the keep pushing it on slow bulky pokemon

[@autobotstarscream765]

Give it DDance (because Dragony Doggo) and Rock Head/Reckless and you're cooking with peanut oil. 😎

[@diptube6563]

@@autobotstarscream765 a pokemon with Flareons stats, with special attack and speed swapped, would be a perfect rock/fire type Pokemon - massive 130, base attack, guts boosted Flare Blitz and Head Smash with the Rock Head ability. Rock polish / flare Blitz / head smash / facade

[@kenzofukuda5209]

Wolfey looking at Hisuian Avalugg’s changes: “My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.”

[@autobotstarscream765]

Give it Technician, Accelerock, and Ice Shard, problem solved.

[@joshframent9385]

I was just thinking about this. Ice table getting a rock typing in this form feels like a straight up nerf that it really didn't need.

[@iantaakalla8180]

With ice types, it really is sad that one of the best typings to be is just an ice type. If it’s not Water/Ice, Electric/Ice, or Ice/Ghost, you have no way to guarantee that Pokémon you are against cannot just kill you in one or two hits. Also, this is another case of “a cool design means a horrible competitive life”.

[@roddy_ricch9392]

@@iantaakalla8180 Ice is just the worst type in the game

[@Tsitchom]

It needed to at least be ground/ice

[@Tintelinus]

Idk why they keep making defensive ice types tbh lol. Like atleast offensive ice types like weavile arent totally useless, in singles atleast.

[@IgnitedQuils]

The fact that every dual type that is part Ice is problematic. Even Alolan Sandslash, who has the best defensive type combo of any dual Ice Pokémon, is 4x weak to Fighting and Fire.

[@silvercomics3517]

I’m so glad that the new Pokemon that I have on my PLA team (Typlosion, Lilligant, Ursaluna, Goodra) are good.

[@HAVIC101XXX]

He hasn't noticed that the "Raises the user's action speed" in the move descriptions shows up on moves like Quick Attack and Aqua Jet. Which means that H-Braviary's Esper Wing would be a priority move in the usual style of Pokemon. That's kinda scary isn't it? STAB 75 BP Priority Psychic attack with a higher chance of landing a critical hit than usual? I don't think H-Braviary will care quite as much about its Speed Stat as he's making it out to seem. The move not being perfectly accurate is a thing to worry about though.

[@reneantoniorodriguezippoli7561]

Wave Crash (Basculegion Signature Moves) also has the same priority move description as Aqua Jet.

[@willoman88]

Also I think he missed that it gets Sheer Force...+hurricane

[@good_old_johnny6661]

@@willoman88 the stats are kinda really a lot to be desired, the 75BP priority stab is really harsh, and on paper the hurricane sheer force stab is nuts, but it won’t matter because it’s both slower and easier to kill, so i wouldn’t think too hard into it

[@good_old_johnny6661]

i hope it will be good though, it’s a very cool looking pokemon and i want something from this ‘generation’ to be good other than goodra and zoroark

[@SeriousStriker]

@@willoman88 Sounds like a mon on Rain + Tailwind support.

[@KSizbored4life]

I'm excited to try Lilligant on sun teams if they ever get it to PvP or Showdown. Chlorophyll + Victory Dance will make her an insane sweeper with her speed tier (base 105 speed lets her outspeed Regieleki and almost every choice scarfer in the sun) but bulky flying types like Torn-T or Corviknight can still check her since her coverage outside of her dual STAB isn't that great. I'm mainly speaking from a singles standpoint not doubles or VGC

[@joebrown5908]

Braviary does have sheer force so I can see sheer force hurricane being scary on rain teams with tailwind support.

[@soulofsomething6651]

It has the strongest Hurricane in the game and can 2 hit k.o Ferrothorn in rain with Heat Wave

[@davidtoomey4712]

Yeah I'm surprised wolfey dismissed hisuian braviary so harshly. Sheer force life orb hurricane under tailwind or rain sounds pretty good. Heat wave is good coverage, a non-stab spread move that should ohko when super effective most of the time, and esper wing may wind up being easily the strongest special priority move in the game

[@CuriousLumenwood]

Even putting aside how good H-Goodra is, it just looks so cute

[@itsukizy]

i love avalugg so much and i was so excited to hear it got a new form, i was hoping it would make it actually good but it’s somehow even worse now :(

[@ghengiroo4143]

I would say it’s more offensively viable so could work on Trick Room, but it got a speed boost for some reason. Like, why? Regular Avalugg’s stats made it perfect for Trick Room, and now that it somewhat had the tools to utilise those stats they went and ruined them. It’s still slow enough, but there’s a few things that it can no longer outspeed.

[@ethanhuntley1313]

I think it’s really funny that there’s all these really awful typing combos, and all these awful stat distributions, but it’s canon because they all went extinct by the time main line games take place lmao

[@Eclipsed_Embers]

there are some with decent typings and stats though like the Hisuian Zoroark, then again their extinction could probably be explained by their pokedex entry which portrays them as being self-destructively aggressive.

[@Ryodraco]

@@Eclipsed_Embers and I'd wager a lot of them aren't extinct so much as harder to find, or they somehow lost access to the things that enabled them to evolve into a hisuian form. Potential inclusion in future games would be to add some character or characters who have you embark on a quest to bring back these various lost forms in various ways, like locating new sources for Black Augerite, leveling up a Rowlett in cold enough weather, finding a way to make peat blocks for Ursaring, giving a Goomy a bunch of mineral water, etc.

[@Eclipsed_Embers]

@@Ryodraco while some of them are probably still around there are some that I'd bet are extinct, Cleavor would fit right in with other fossil pokemon (it's even the rock type) and Hisuian Sneasel, Hisuian Voltorb/Electrode and Hisuian Quilfish clearly get completely replaced by the normal forms by the modern day (if Game Freak wanted Hisuian Sneasel, Hisuian Voltorb/Electrode and Hisuian Quilfish to be around in the modern day they could've easily just put it into Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl, they added a book to the library to act as a hint for the Manaphy quest so they were clearly willing to make small changes to tie the games in together and unlike the other pokemon that got Hisuian forms Sneasel, Voltorb (Electrode was only obtainable by evolving a Voltorb), and Quilfish were already catchable in Diamond and Pearl).

[@gladiatordragon9219]

A lot of the Hisui typings aren't very common. In some cases, yeah - we were due more of that typing, but in others... there was a reason. Coalossal works because he was designed around his weakness - if you hit him with a water move, sure it'll probably kill, but if it doesn't, you're toast. H-Arcanine does not have the luxuries of Steam Engine. H-Electrode is interesting, since the only Pokemon to have this typing was Mow-tom. Not having to worry about Flying or Ground will be nice - under the assumption those defenses don't crumple like paper. However, without the offenses to threaten, or the defenses to tank, he's only really speed. H-Zoroark will be fun. Being immune to three types, and also being able to disguise as something else? You have a good chance of just switching in for free, taking a free hit, and then murdering. Might even throw on Air Balloon to be funny and get that one extra immunity. H-Braviary is just sad. It should really be faster than this, and Psychic/Flying don't compliment each other that well either. It getting Defiant is just the cherry on top of a pie of crap. They just don't work together, and there's not enough bulk for it to work. H-Goodra is going to be amusing. Super bulky, will run decent in Trick Room, and could hit pretty respectably to boot. I love this little Dragon Snail. H-Avalugg.... Look, there's a reason nobody uses Avalugg. There's also reasons nobody uses Aurorus. You didn't have to combine them - I just feel bad for the poor thing. It's cool that the Ice Table gets some recognition - but I'd argue he got done dirty again. What's the obsession with slow Ice Types?

[@IgnitedQuils]

Speaking of bulk, the fact that H-Braviary loses speed and defenses to boost HP… ugh

[@ghengiroo4143]

Hisuian Braviary’s signature move will likely work as a priority move in the traditional battle system, so if it gets Calm Mind it could be decent. They definitely should’ve made Avalugg an Ice/Ground of Steel/Ground type.

[@bitsamui5104]

Don't forget... not every pokemon is designed with the intention to be used competitively.. pokemon is first and foremost a catching/exploration game for kids with a focus on single player...

[@Eclipsed_Embers]

@@bitsamui5104 actualy for years Pokemon have been using multiplayer as an excuse to do various things (the stupid two games thing for example forcing friendless fans (or ones that simply don't know others that play Pokemon) to get both if they want to actually get everything) Legends Arceus though is definitely focused on singleplayer, I don't think multiplayer battles are even possible which makes the "focus on singleplayer" excuse work for this one batch

[@autobotstarscream765]

Give the Diamond Doggo Steam Engine. Or Reckless, since Water-types aren't a problem if they're dead.

[@tilnation14]

There are 8 type combinations 4x weak to 2 moves. Ice + Rock, Steel, and Bug, Rock + Fire, Steel, and Ground, Bug/Grass, and Ghost/Psychic.

[@GamingG4276]

Glad to hear Hisuian Goodra has great potential. It's my favorite Hisuian form.

[@autobotstarscream765]

It's literally the Pseudo of Hisui as a Region in its own right as opposed to sharing Garchomp with its modern counterpart Sinnoh, as Garchomp in the past is neutered and just food for Steel Snail.

[@phips9764]

Hisuian Zoroark just turned into my alltime fav. pkm i love it sooo much

[@DeathEatsCurry]

I love the fact H-Zoroark has two full immunities to exploit Illusion with.

[@reneantoniorodriguezippoli7561]

It has three normal type, fighting type and ghost type immunity.

[@sniperpidgeon7245]

Goodra should run sap sipper instead of overcoat, since most powder moves will trigger sap sipper and it gives an immunity to grass, all overcoat provides is immunity to hail.

[@Cykk0]

with zorua, you can also go the other way, if you have a zorua on the team, and lead with a poison for example, if they think it is a zorua when its not, they may not go for the super effective move and try punching it with fairy instead, the new zorua can increase the mind games options

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[@TheCreatorF.M.]

I feel like if Victory Dance does make it to main line, their gonna give it to Victini and God help anyone who has to face a Mythical with a move like Victory Dance

[@mcsmileycorp]

Because stat increases don't stack in legends, I think victory dance might be just +2 attack +1 defense in the mainline games. If so it's basically just swords dance. On liligant I don't think the +1 def is going to matter much. It could however be so much worse.

[@jyrrin]

on the +1 def not mattering much, i know it's not in pla but i've had a weakness policy kommo-o tank moonblast/play rough behind screens with +1 def/sp.def after a clangorous soul. if kommo-o can do that at 66% health, then h-lilligant can do that at 100% health (and then regain the health back from a +3 drain punch/recover). having said that, i can imagine these new moves are going to get retrofitted if and when they become transferrable to gen 9, because we all know +1 def/sp.def/evasion is ABSOLUTELY getting banned lol. victory dance will probably end up being a better bulk up rather than a better quiver dance imo. maybe even have a 1-use cap like falinks's no retreat. h-lilligant would be too stronk

[@rabeechowdhury]

@Dan Won Kommo-o has to be used very intelligently though to make work when you're weak to common offensive types such as a 4x times Fairy, 2x Flying, Ice, and Dragon weaknesses and doesn't have resists to the spamable ghost type although boasting 7 resists.

[@jyrrin]

​@Dan Won i'll admit maybe to a special flying attack since victory dance only gives +1 to def and not sp. def. but a +1 def boost behind screens is enough to help it tank a physical flying move since it'd only be 1.5x effective - and this only for flying type moves. all the other weaknesses are essentially negated from screens and if a physical move (like ice punch) is used, h-lilligant is basically at +1 def despite the type effectiveness. only time will tell once gen 9 happens, but i'd say i'm pretty confident h-lilligant can pull it off.

[@Tylendal242]

I feel like physical Quiver Dance makes the most sense, since base form Lilligant is one of the only non-butterflies to learn Quiver Dance.

[@theboi5584]

Hisuin Zoroark and Hisuin Goodra are really gonna get their time to shine, meanwhile Hisuin Braviary is just *BEGGING* for a different set of abilities when being transferable into Home.

[@Rodrigo-uo9ww]

I love how Hisuian Goodra became the ultimate Amoongus killer. It resists grass and is immune to poison and spore. Not to mention it can just kill it with fire blast

[@soulofsomething6651]

It's also good against Venusaur and I'm sure that Life Orb Earth Power cannot kill Goodra

[@ghengiroo4143]

Killing the impostor, never though I’d see the day.

[@jjtjp2469]

With H-Zoroark, you can run a ghost-type STAB move and flamethrower and you'll get the same offensive benefits as Normal/Ghost since you'll be able to hit all types for ether super effective damage or neutral damage, except now you hit 4 extra types super-effectively.

[@AshenDust_]

You don’t get stab tho

[@jjtjp2469]

@@AshenDust_ Considering H-Zoroark's options for Normal stab are pretty poor at the moment and there's no guarantee that it'll gain access to something like Hyper Voice or Tri-Attack when joining the mainline games, that's not much of a loss

[@AshenDust_]

@@jjtjp2469 it’ll probably get Hyper Voice, the animation for its signature move looks pretty similar. If not, when flamethrower will have to do

[@yungpeachs]

Wolfey thank you for ranking these Pokémon based on actual usage vs just appearance, there’s so many videos like that. Truly appreciate the time put into this 💕

[@FakeHeroFang]

If H Zoroark gets boomburst, then it's gonna be cracked. 10 less power than hyper beam but no drawback except being blocked by soundproof

[@alextintyrn291]

It's spread and hits your ally, there's a downside you gotta account for

[@joshwillson4129]

Zoroark hisui can now bait fake out because it's a ghost type.

[@Juniper_Rose]

I appreciate wolfey correcting himself on the proper pronunciation of Deckydewey

[@saturnage7554]

Imagine if hisuian goodra got regenerator, then it would be switching into tapu lele focus blasts and not caring thanks to an AV

[@helliagaming6255]

Fell in love with zoroark and Liligants new form hopefully they get brought into a traditional pokemon game

[@dennismadrid5146]

For lilligants victory move, I believe it is supposed to be the opposite of quiver dance where in the mainline games, it would give +1 to speed, attack and defense. Still incredible broken since lilligant can learn recovery, making it able to be bulky, heal and sweep

[@sicarius4749]

Surprised you didn't mention Snarl on H!Zoroark. That thing could be a beast for countering Special Attackers; give it an Assault Vest, max HP, and a bit of defense and special defense, with Snarl, Bitter Malice, Counter, and U-Turn (Assuming it can get base Zoroark tms). That's a single team slot that counters double special attack opening and special attack + spread physical. And it can force your opponent to make unoptimal 1st turn plays in order to play around Zoroark.

[@danielbernhardt1327]

Goodra is definitely my favorite. It's so bulky and Shelter is Iron Defense mixed with double team. Don't know if they will keep it that way in future games but if they do that move is OP.

[@ghengiroo4143]

Hopefully they don’t lmao. They changed Shadow Force to boost evasion, so maybe Shelter could work like Protect but with a defence boost when you pull it off? Still be broken, especially in doubles, but it would be a bit more skill-based.

[@danielbernhardt1327]

@@ghengiroo4143 A lot of moves work differently in Arceus so I know they are probably going to change it for a main series game. Your version sounds kind of similar to the way King Shield works which would be pretty cool.

[@DPerrito1]

I think you are underestimating sheer force hurricane from braviary and it should also get tailwind like it’s unova counterpart. It may be slow but it hits like a truck.

[@WaluigisBulge]

I love your videos and the passion you put into them, the amount you care about this stuff is definitely evident. I love the less pushy way that subscriptions are asked for, and the analysis in these videos is really engaging, even to a non-competitive player like myself.

[@goGothitaLOL]

imagine Hisuian Arcanine with Rock Head or Reckless (and STAB Head Smash) huh, i wish :(

[@autobotstarscream765]

And DDance because Dragon Doggo (logic behind its access to Outrage).

[@eduardoantohe5172]

Hey Wolfie, I just want to say that I absolutely loved this week of back to back to back to back to back to back wideos. If you need to take a little break we understand

[@JWillicus]

Requesting this on every video: I’d like to see Wolfey create a new type and how he’d implement it competitively and thematically

[@danikazeytv]

1:30 We already *RUFF*ly know... *ABSOL*utely intended pun lol

[@amethystrose3480]

In my playthrough of arceus I’ve really enjoyed lil litany and zoroark. I knew I was going to absolutely love zoroark, but Lilligant was a very unexpected yet nice surprise in utility. It’s speed allows it to hit go multiple times against a large amount of opponents in the game so I’m always able to set up victory dance and one shot nearly anything that even looks at me funny. Her being so frail is definitely her biggest downside. I’ve seen her survive being hit like once or twice ever since I started using her after the mirelands.

[@MrXanuu]

She carried me through the game. I got victory dance off, then usually got hit and lived because the defensive boost, and was able to heal with Drain Punch. She pretty much solo'd the post game fights while being under leveled. It was insane.

[@CaptianKatsura]

My theory for how their going to handle Victory Dance is that they're going to drop the 1.5x boost and just make it 2 stages of Attack and 1 stage of Defense.

[@LtLabcoat]

Doubt it. Not boosting Sp.Def, sure, but the extra +0.25% isn't doing a lot. Particularly if it can't be stacked by using it multiple times. Not much of a reason to think they'd drop the most defining trait of the move just to avoid that.

[@dawsn0w]

prediction: they give goodra-h shell smash

[@loupe500]

Steel dragon is just a solid typing. Great offensively since dragon hits almost everything and steel deals with fairy. Also great defensively since both types are pretty good and steel do complement dragon pretty well. Also goodra is a pseudo legendary so it has good total stats, and the changes they made are pretty good. I honestly feel that goodra will make in some comps pretty well

[@autobotstarscream765]

Steel/Dragon is OP when you literally ban Earthquake from the format, neutering Garchomp and Physical Landorus from striking back against it. Garchomp is the Pseudo of modern Sinnoh, but Hisuian Goodra is _the_ Pseudo of Hisui.

[@the_godbodor7026]

Hold on a minute, Hisuian Lilligant gets Hustle and Chlorophyll!? That’s so good! Fear the Lady of the Ridge!

[@peasantb100d]

I want to assume Hisuian Zoroark wouldn't get Illusion. If it does, that's terrifying. Disguising as something to bait you into one of its immunity types for free hits

[@matthewmatthewsons6197]

Disguise as a bisharp. That’s what I’ve been thinking this entire time

[@ghengiroo4143]

It’s in the code for LA and the ability is still part of Hisuian Zoroark’s lore, so yeah it’s got Illusion.

[@pingufan1239]

They really just shafted Braviary for no reason at all. Imagine if they gave it a special version of Defiant

[@Greatbabyred]

competitive

[@soulofsomething6651]

Same with Wyrdeer Slow for no reason, c'mon game freak Stantler has been shit for ages and you don't give the evolution decent stats

[@RSmeep13]

@@soulofsomething6651 FR why is the fast mount base 65 speed lol

[@soulofsomething6651]

@@RSmeep13 They just need to swap his special attack of 105 with the speed and boom Now you can do the skill swap intimidate gimmick

[@Dragon_Ryder]

H-Goodra’s signature move also obscures, which could mean its evasion raises one stage. I actually replaced Garchomp with Goodra in PLA. I think it could be pretty good, though I’m sad it doesn’t get Flash Cannon.

[@autobotstarscream765]

They lobotomized the Pseudo of Sinnoh to establish H-Goo as the Pseudo of Hisui, inb4 it gets Flash Cannon in all subsequent appearances and has to face a Garchomp with a 21st-century moveset that can actually fight back.

[@MrGksarathy]

Raging Fury is sort of like Outrage, yes.

[@princess_sarina_elysia]

What they should have done with H-Avalugg if they wanted an ice mountain Pokémon is make it ice / ground, and give it a new ability like Solid Rock but an Ice version, and take a chunk out of its massive defence stat to put in sp def, not too much to make it too min maxed of course

[@Hc2p3n4t4rp]

Imagine fighting against someone with both Zoroarks... madness incarnate

[@Eclipsed_Embers]

the best bet would be to use the fairy type since normal Zoroark is weak to it while Hisuian Zoroark is neutral. of course, if they were disguised as a pokemon that resisted fairy (Heatran for instance as it double resists fairy) then that could turn things into a difficult situation

[@Hc2p3n4t4rp]

@@Eclipsed_Embers yup, thats the thing of playing Zoroark, making those kind of plays

[@matthewchamberlain2953]

I was thinking of using a physical H Goodra with Sap Sipper. Then you could switch it in on Spore/Sleep Powder or another grass move, get a +1 off of it, start dishing out pretty hefty Iron Heads or Power Whips.

[@pensologohesito]

You’re forgetting you can only use stat boosts once. When you reuse the same attack that boots, it just makes it last longer and refreshes its duration. Not it’s power.

[@lasercraft32]

I get the feeling that Victory Dance just has a misleading description. I don't think it actually increases your attack twice over.

[@messinround4810]

I was so excited for Hisuian Avalugg, until I heard rock ice dual typing.... I know how TERRIBLE that is because Aurorus is also of my favorites. Why am I cursed to like garbage mons....

[@autobotstarscream765]

Just give Hisuian Avalugg Technician, Accelerock, and Ice Shard, problem solved.

[@messinround4810]

​@@autobotstarscream765 It really would take something that busted to make it somewhat viable :O

[@Novice1390]

Boomburst on hisuian Zoroark with specs sounds terrifying

[@oranos2276]

you could disguise one zoroark as another and it would work so well

[@ciaranpatrick6859]

Not giving hisuian arcanine rock head was a big missed opportunity

[@thevipez8740]

Can you make a video on how good the LEGENDS plate is for Arceus? I think it would be really interesting to see your thoughts on it

[@reneantoniorodriguezippoli7561]

I guess he won't give it much importance because Arceus, like the rest of the mythicals, are banned for life from VGC

[@ctnc6059]

Hisuian Avalugg had the one stat it couldn't afford to have lowered (Special Defense) be lowered, the one stat it didn't want raised (Speed because of Trick Room) raised, and lost the ability that blocks Intimidate. (Own Tempo) Without any outright game spoilers, let's just say it's a massive change for the worse that it compensates massivlely for.

[@notyourfriend1634]

You're awesome wolfey, you always brighten my day and make me smile

[@mecha5893]

“It’s a special attacker with Defiant!” *sad Empoleon noises*

[@Lankpants]

As a primarily singles player I'm pretty sure Avalugg's a meme in singles too. Remember we have focus blast ran by a ton of special attackers for coverage, Avalugg just dies even if the special attacker isn't very good. Like, even Weezing ruins this thing and Weezing's a PU mon. Pretty sure it also dies to most defensive bulky waters using scald, so yeah, gonna have a few issues there. I think Hisuian Avalugg is just worse than regular Avalugg in singles, it has worse typing and worse special bulk and it's not like the 10 speed is putting it above anything at all. Regular Avalugg is already untiered and pretty useless. Only place it might see play is in gimmicky trick room teams where it can crush things with strong jaw boost I guess.

[@autobotstarscream765]

Avalugg's life is Sturdy Mirror Coat. 😎

[@agentblackbird9435]

I feel so bad for it. Seeing it had the same type combo as Arourus made me sad

[@sansight9257]

I hope that they receive unique talents to make some of them relevant. Like Hisuan electrode could receive an ability that makes all its attack use its speed stat!

[@autobotstarscream765]

...Or Leech Seed. 😈

[@zonink4601]

I think you are really overrating on how bad braviary is. I don't think it's great. But it has sheer force life orb psychic/hurricane. Its bulk is decent. And it has access to tailwind irc.

[@twiddledeedee]

It has heat wave coverage as well to hit steels unlike a certain bird sharing the same typing

[@ghengiroo4143]

It also has Mystical Fire if you want to go more support-orientated, and its signature move will likely work as a priority move in the traditional battle system.

[@mathijslaugeman6054]

Don't forget that stat boost in legends arceus have a turn limit. Even something as broken as victory dance only last for like 3 turns. That also means that negative stat changes eventually wear of (I had this happen today as the defense drops from my staraptors close combat went away after three turns). Correct me if this is wrong, bit I am pretty sure stat changes in legends arceus cannot go above plus 1. Boosting again would just extend the duration of the buff. So victory dance' "boost damage dealt by 50%" is just to get around that and effectively get a similar boost as something like swords dance or nasty plot

[@soulfireartist]

You know it's funny, I always thought Rotom-Fan made no sense, an Electirc/Flying Type WITH Levitate and yet here is a special attacking Braviary with Defiant. The only thing I can think of is that some of these new forms will get different abilities if they are added to the base games.

[@rubikonium9484]

They should've given him competitive...

[@mr.lonkman4644]

Qwilfish has potential especially considering it can hold eviolite now. With its better defensive typing it could work, especially with intimidate, icy wind, maybe snarl?, etc.

[@zihkar]

Avalugg hurts me, they gave the stats to the wrong spots, should have dropped 20 from speed and spa and given those 40 to spd. Then give it either a rock bite move or replace strong jaw with something useful. It wouldn't have made it amazing, but could have been a cool addition to trick room teams as a back up heavy hitter. They just hate to make certain pokemon even half decent.

[@rubikonium9484]

8 base speed eh

[@pokatana4130]

Hisui HZoroark and Hisui Goodra are my fav so far and I hope they're good competitively.

[@Borchert97]

Hisuian Avalugg could’ve been so good if they kept the design but went Ice/Ground, that’s a type that already succeeds with Mamoswine so there would definitely have been more potential.

[@polvocorrupto]

Regarding Hisuian Electrode, the stats kinda suck but Soundproof is pretty neat to switch into Bug Buzz nonetheless, IMO Chloroblast could also have a two ticket ride with White Herb. Fun Fact: The Hisuian Voltorb/Electrode trailers and dex entries suggest that it stores seeds inside its body, which might suggest that it learns Leech Seed in open format mainline titles.

[@selder_7]

They should’ve kept Braviary’s speed the same and just taken more out of its physical attack. Or kept it as a physical attacker

[@grizzlyscalp9506]

I dunno these past couple of generations they have been acting super conservative with speed. Like why are 90% of these pokemon slower than their previous forms.

[@ghengiroo4143]

It was probably done to pair with Esper Wing

[@RedTheWeeb]

Sludge bomb is fitting to run on zoroark because its a plague based mon so poison move and could easily help swap into something they wouldn't seemingly kill a fair to then hit em with a poison move