The New Royal Enfield Himalayan: Game-Changing Upgrades?

[@kamasp5]

Itchy Boots is riding new Himalayan 450 right now in India. Just check her last video.

[@noelbowerman1562]

She seems very impressed with the new bike," It feels like it has double the power"

[@BikerTorque]

Yes saw it last night, she seems impressed

[@KrakensGarageandAdventures]

It sure looks like RE is upping their game very quietly. Great job, as always.

[@BikerTorque]

They are! Thanks for watching. When do you land in Aus?

[@danielben-avraham1539]

The Himalayan is the first RE with upside down forks, and then we see last year's 650 Super Meteor as an example of a bike with upside down forks. Very funny. As far as the Himalayan goes, it has basically a Pulsar Dominar 400 (373cc) engine which is liquid cooled, 4 valve, and 40 hp. The upside down forks are not really mud and dirt friendly. They are street use friendly. So the new Himmy has a street bike engine, and street bike forks on an off road looking frame. Kind of like the V-Strom and Versys. It should be very popular with the occasional gravel road people who want to imagine they are off road explorers. I ride a 2021 Himalayan in the South American Andes and needed a Willy's on two wheels that was capable of climbing steep secondary roads while carrying two people and a full load. My black bike is normally covered in brown mud and dirt even though I hose it down after every ride. I found a 650 V-Strom struggling to get up a steep 45 degree incline the other day. It kept stalling because the torque was too high in the power band. I chugged up past him with no problem and felt vindicated for all the V-Stroms that blow by me on the highway. Why did this happen? because the 411 LS or Long Stroke has about 8 HP at 2000 rpm where the Ninja 400 short stroke has under 2 hp at the same 2000 rpm. So will I be able to outperform the new Himalayan short stroke on the Highway? No. Will I outperform it on rugged terrain, most likely if it is in conditions that require slow power. I appreciate the 411LS for what it is and have no plans on replacing it for a street bike.

[@BikerTorque]

Yes, I completely forgot about the Super Meteor when we filmed this. Oh well, we all make mistakes

[@danielben-avraham1539]

@@BikerTorque Understand, I am not one to criticize a person who is actually out there creating content, I just thought it was a funny and ironic blooper. But the most important part is that people really do not understand why the 411 tractors and why it is so slow on the highway. That is until you do a comparison between the 411LS and Ninja 400 dynos. Then it becomes clear where the strengths of the bike were engineered. It runs 8hp just above idle where the Ninja short stroke is somewhere below 2hp. The only physical difference between a 400 superbike and the same size cruiser is smaller carbs and cams. So the new Himmy short stroke will be very weak at low rpm. That means it will need to be ridden hard and fast off road. It will be much more demanding and less relaxing. I have never seen a creator look at the Himmy from an engineering perspective.

[@sakshamteji6115]

@@danielben-avraham1539 I couldn’t agree more to you man. Low end torque would be somewhere compromised and its off-roading capabilities would be reduced. I don’t know about your country but here in India RE has a good market cap and it’s main competition in this segment is ktm 390 adv. Hence RE is moving towards these changes

[@danielben-avraham1539]

@@sakshamteji6115Here in Colombia the biggest portion of the dual sport market segment seems to be the AKT TTR125, TT200, and the Hero XPulse 200. So the Himalayan 411 is generally looked upon as being a big bike. But on the highway I still get passed by the large displacement adventure bikes but even more painful is getting passed by the 200cc bikes. But when I think of upgrading to a 250 V-Strom, I think of losing the low-end torque, and the ability to tractor through steep inclines and nasty off road conditions. So I follow On Two Wheels Ben channel and Ben helps me keep my bike running in top-notch form. I will certainly try the new 452 when it comes out, but with the difference in price in the new motorcycles, if I wanted 40 horsepower, it might be just cheaper to put the big bore upgrade on mine, with the high performance cam, powertronic CPU, exhaust and intake upgrades. But then I will probably end up spending a lot more on gasoline so I'll just leave it the way it is. It might be slow but it's incredibly fuel efficient. The 411 version was definitely designed for the Indian public, for me the seat is far too low and I hit my knees on the tank and bars, but I really appreciate the torque and fuel efficiency of the 411 long stroke engine that you guys in India call the mule. Regardless of the changes I'm really happy to see Royal Enfield India becoming a major player on the world motorcycle market. You guys should be proud for sure.

[@itsallabouttheridekeepingi4449]

I just watched the Itchy Boots episode with the new Himalayan 450 , looks like it will be light 💡, definitely more power and better suspension by why she saids.

[@twowheeledparadox]

That instrument pod with fullscreen navigation looks very useful too.

[@amitkrupal1234]

196Kg

[@BikerTorque]

Just watch it last night, that new instrument pod does look better, she seems to really like it.

[@crazyosva]

that's a lot for a small 450 cc engine! The weight of KTM 790 Adventure R or Yamaha's T7@@amitkrupal1234

[@twowheeledparadox]

So, the rumoured specs are 196 kg kerb weight, 200 mm suspension travel front and rear, 230-240 mm ground clearance, front fork from Showa, 17-litre fuel tank and 40-odd Newton-metres of torque around 5500 rpm. Also, if you look at some of the newer leaked photos, you will it in black with gold rims and two variants in grey. One pic shows a variant with tubeless wire wheels. Looking forward to the 7th of November!

[@BikerTorque]

Showa forks makes sense, same as the Super Meteor

[@twowheeledparadox]

@@BikerTorque Yeah, one OEM for upside down front suspension.

[@willyrackham2957]

Also there is a new Scram obviously with the new motor and it looks really good ....not a fan of the old Scram ...looks wise but the new one looks a whole lot better 😊

[@twowheeledparadox]

@@willyrackham2957 I think the bike you're talking about is a standard street bike, not a scrambler. It looks like it has 17" alloy wheels.

[@danielben-avraham1539]

Wow, upside down forks, and a short stroke high horse powered engine, sounds like a great street bike. I look forward to meeting up with one in the Andes with my 411 long stroke. I wonder how well the new 450 short stroke will chug up the steep pot holed roads while riding two and fully loaded. I imagine this change will only make my bike more valuable in the future.

[@revzzrider]

I was one of biggest critic of Royal Enfields, Regarding their Quality & fit n finish, But I had to admit Recently they have improved alot, definitely not at the top tier but coping up with different brands.

[@BikerTorque]

At the end of the day, they are still at the budget end of the scale, but I think the quality you get in relation to the cost of the bike is excellent

[@PatilHarshavardhan-u5p]

the upside down forks came on the super meteor first and I read somewhere its the same one on the himalayan, but itchy boots has said the ride is much better, it doesn't sag like the previous bike and also has adjustablity now (if I remember correctly)

[@BikerTorque]

The forks certainly look more sturdy than the ones on the older model

[@Whatreally123]

The USDs are from Showa, so really good.

[@BikerTorque]

@@Whatreally123yes the Showa ones on the Super Meteor are excellent, so hopefully the same. I forgot about the Super Meteor suspension when we filmed this

[@ivancharlie9071]

The upcoming Himalayan 452 is said to weigh 3 kg less than the current Himalayan modelthe motorcycle will feature a 21-inch front tyre and a 17-inch rear tyre, . Royal Enfield is prioritizing safety by providing dual-channel ABS, ride modes, traction controlengine has the capacity to generate approximately 40 bhp of maximum power at 8,000 rpm

[@BikerTorque]

It’s looking like some excellent upgrades

[@san-chil]

A simpler bike is always a better bike I reckon and easier to repair maintain and recover from breakdowns. Slower bikes generally make better stories and experiences than faster bikes ...

[@BikerTorque]

Totally agree that slower bikes make for better stories

[@perpetual4958]

It isn't a real Indian Royal Enfield if ain't got a Diesel engine.

[@BikerTorque]

@@perpetual4958 😂😂😂

[@skg901]

Super Meteore also has USD forks

[@BikerTorque]

Yes, my mistake, I forgot about that one when we filmed.

[@johnharris7353]

Everyone loves to praise RE...well, I do too...but, a few years ago when all this started, I was dismayed by the power numbers. As far as western sales are concerned, they missed the boat. The first bike I ever bought was.'75 450 Honda twin scrambler. It was highway capable with a passenger and would do 100 mph ind. It had 40 hp. So I'm excited about the new Himi, will they do the Scram the same? Cheers John in Missouri.

[@BikerTorque]

I’d be very surprised if there is not a few new bikes featuring the 450cc liquid cooled engine, and I am fairly confident that the first one after the Himalayan will be a Scram, makes sense

[@umeshhajare1733]

Is the seat height lower than 800 mm ?

[@BikerTorque]

Will let you know when we get one

[@umeshhajare1733]

I hope you can tell by just seeing

[@Terminator-to3lp]

They should think about adjustable levers as well. Else everything seems excellent...

[@BikerTorque]

I wouldn’t be surprised if it has adjustable levers

[@Ni_Ti_SHH]

Can't wait to book this 🔥 was waiting from last year 2k22

[@BikerTorque]

It looks like it’s going to be a massive seller for RE

[@ysanzgiry]

Super Meteor was the first RE with USD

[@BikerTorque]

Correct

[@michaelfancourt7572]

I thought the 650 super meteor had upside down forks?

[@BikerTorque]

sure does, I forgot about that one.

[@Bro-the-cast]

Super Meteor was the first one to have USD for RE

[@BikerTorque]

Yes, my mistake, forgot about that one as mention in previous comments and description

[@sushmita7067]

My favorites!! Miss you

[@BikerTorque]

Hey Sush, hope you are well mate

[@robertlislegard520]

The fuel tank looks identical to a KLR 650 kawasakl fuel tank with a different fuel cap.

[@BikerTorque]

It does look similar, hopefully it’s not as heavy as the KLR

[@HunterVlog350cc]

the USD benefit only the superbikes, super meteor has USDs, now Himalayan 452 can rev it to 8000rpm, double than normal 4000 rpm in enfields, the led is also there from int/supermeteor, weight is 196 kg, optional tubeless alloy wheels, and yes it has a big fan following even before launch

[@BikerTorque]

Agree, not sure to many riders would notice the difference between USD and telescopic

[@Tomahawkfalcone]

Ordered one when pre orders opened. Havnt even moved to Aus yet 🤣

[@BikerTorque]

Cool, when does it arrive? Any word.

[@Tomahawkfalcone]

@@BikerTorque think march time they start arriving

[@BikerTorque]

@@Tomahawkfalcone yeah that’s what we heard from RE. Should be getting a press bike around then for review

[@Tomahawkfalcone]

@@BikerTorque hopefully will get an update when I speak to the dealer when I move next month. Hope its good

[@cruze86]

Himalayan 452 is not first bike with USD forks. Super meteor 650 is the first one to get USD forks.

[@BikerTorque]

Yes, my mistake, I completely forgot about the Super Meteor when I mentioned it

[@Whatreally123]

Showa front USDs. Bolt on rear subframe so in case of a crash, just fhe rear can be replaced. Rumoured to be 196 kgs. 40 bhp Tubeless spoke wheels as an accesory. I have ridden in the himalayas and trust me the lighter the motorcycle the better. The roads are good but when there arent any tarmac its tough and due to the altitude, handling heavy bikes is a pain in the ass. A 180-200 kg bike is the maximum id ever need or will use. I see people tak8ng the bmw 1250 or the Tigers and as long as theyre upright, thwyre good but if they fall lifting them up is a nightmare and will take your breath away.

[@BikerTorque]

I'd love to ride in the Himalaya's one day and would have to be on a Himalayan.

[@Teer_tv]

Its coming on 7th nov 2023 , my birthday 😄😄

[@BikerTorque]

Happy birthday for the 7th. A new Himalayan would make a great birthday present

[@danghita4386]

is there any advantage of the Himalayan - old or new - over the KTM 390?? maybe the price but not by much.. anything else?

[@amitkrupal1234]

Maybe low end torque

[@BikerTorque]

I think definitely price, but probably also ease and cost of maintenance. I don’t have much experience with KTMs but have a mate who had a 390 and he seemed to have a few issues with it that he couldn’t sort himself. Here in Australia, not many workshops wanted to touch it and using the a KTM official workshop was outrageously expensive

[@fabriziofavro9313]

The front wheel, 21 vs 19

[@abhijeetchavan13]

@@fabriziofavro9313 19 inch wheel is best for fast highway rides and offroading both of worlds Meanwhile 21 inch wheel is only best for offroading adventure.(21 inch not seems good for fast speeding on highways)

[@danghita4386]

@@BikerTorque true.. and I suppose the small KTM is produced in India so no improvement here either.. So KLR it is then! 😉

[@andrewgibbs5135]

Upside down forks…….Super Meteor ?

[@BikerTorque]

Yes, they sure are USD on the Super Meteor.

[@andrewgibbs5135]

@@BikerTorque Itchy Boots. A good call from Royal Enfield ! Thanks for the video update, many thanks.

[@RoadsOfOz]

The upgraded dash (on the new Himalayan) looks good too.

[@hachewie]

Now all it needs is a third cylinder and BOOM!. Speed.

[@FTStratLP]

So you'd skip the second cylinder?

[@twowheeledparadox]

@@FTStratLP Maybe use that space to carry groceries?

[@FTStratLP]

​@@twowheeledparadox😂😂😂

[@BikerTorque]

Lol, you stole my comment.

[@BikerTorque]

😂

[@TR5T]

A KLR is tried and proven, Itchy is putting the RE on the map however too many better bikes out here. Love the colour schemes though.

[@BikerTorque]

I’d also think that the original Himalayan is also tried and proven, mostly as you mentioned by Itchy Boots. The new series on the 450 Himalayan is excellent

[@amitchodankar1989]

@@BikerTorque absolutely right

[@uthkarshnaik6608]

Its lighter than a old bike

[@BikerTorque]

Hope so, not sure it will be though

[@drvivekmallan]

If you watched the video you guys clipped in you would've known super meteor already has USD forks 😂

[@BikerTorque]

Thanks for that, yes I completely forgot about the SM when we were filming, I guess we all make mistakes, but thanks so much for pointing it out.

[@worldfactography9250]

i hope seat height would be same 800mm, by the way Aus men's side is playing terrible cricket.

[@BikerTorque]

Lol, let’s not talk about cricket…or rugby😂😂😂

[@cissysprinkle8005]

triple clamp??? fork yokes mate.

[@BikerTorque]

Thanks

[@bigleftlcn]

Re shoot the video and say it correctly and I'll watch it

[@BikerTorque]

Thanks for commenting, it really helps us out

[@karamyahya3590]

Fuel Tank ന്റെ രൂപമാറ്റമാണ് കാണിച്ച വലിയ മണ്ടത്തരം. ഇപ്പോൾ കണ്ടാൽ XPULSE PRO എന്ന് തോന്നും.

[@vimalmathew2679]

Yes. In the one pic from low angle. But from all other angles it looks like a diffrent bike. Infact, a big bike.

[@BikerTorque]

looking forward to riding one when they arrive in Australia

[@darksoul4721]

It's not a DOHC

[@BikerTorque]

Thanks, wasn’t sure, hadn’t seen specs

[@SJ_new]

🤣 🤣 intro

[@BikerTorque]

Thanks😂

[@daweshorizon]

Too much intro, not enough facts.

[@BikerTorque]

I didn’t think we included any facts. Point acknowledged in the intro though.

[@zjgw72]

Learn to say it's name!

[@danghita4386]

He actually was correct, that's how is called in India 🙂

[@BikerTorque]

Thanks, if it’s good enough for the manufacturers and Itchy Boots it’s good enough for me.

[@FTStratLP]

They say it correctly.

[@twowheeledparadox]

But they are pronouncing it correctly.

[@worldfactography9250]

he pronounced it correct. Himalaya is sanskrit term and he said exatly like us native speaker.

[@davidhiggins7026]

Doesn't the Royal Enfield Himalayan 452cc (rounded up to that capacity!) DESERVE a... guess what?'. Yea!, maybe AN ENTIRE YT VIDEO solely all about it?. Instead of this jumbled up patchwork of a production. Yamaha, what!, I was mislead to believe it was about the Royal Enfield 452 Himalayan. Shocking looking Yamaha's first thing as well. YOUR bikes were they I hear, still if you like that sort of thing, hardly a motorcycle around not worth a nice ride out somewhere. What we get here, are this 'Biker Torque' outfit that appears to be from Sydney, Australia. A place I have recently noticed that the Authorities are strongly advising those of a certain faith to KEEP OFF THE STREETS and at the same time are ALLOWING certain threatening types to walk about in large numbers calling for the 'killing' of those that they intensely dislike, they hate them in fact. Those victimised folk amongst the Sydney Community that some may have had enough of this malarkey from decades gone past, there just trying to live a 'life'. Yet now in SYDNEY Australia they are being subjected to this obscenity, all ALLOWED, in this 'anything goes place'. Anything goes Australia, is that it?. Well, so it seems to me, especially in Sydney. A massive amount of litter, graffiti, even masses of pen knife scratches all over store front GLASS windows just as in Christchurch NZ, and that was 15 years ago. Is that how it is, in Sydney? If so did the NZ stuff come from you lot in Australia originally, did it?. I wonder. You two not ashamed of those who have >>votedhostages

[@davidhiggins7026]

(Continued) So far then NOT a decent review of this new RE motorcycle, even RE's own marketing 452 Himalayan video is just a collection of about 0.2 secs of images, often times of quite differing sort of images, with about 500 of these different images spread over the span of less than 2mins running time. All FLICKERING up, all over the place. Nothing much being able to be comprehended. All a part of the Flick Flick Flickering 'garbage', (a more polite use of a word I had best not use here). TV adverts, TV programs, Movies, even YT videos with this WORTHLESS 'fast action' video shooting. Trendy, though visually DISTURBING. Just visual gimmickry, trying to disguise and to make up for the lack of content and actual filmography SKILLS they possess. All gimmick & with no great substance concerning the content. A throw away nif-naf video by Royal Enfield, who as said couldn't even 'break' the 2mins length. Just why bother at that long? I have broken wind longer than that!, even being able to 'whistle' a tune, (only it isn't quite whistling is it). A skilful ability in fact, being able to estimate the wind available in storage to perform the task, and working out the best tune to utilise the full contents. Getting the tune note perfect, and getting each & every every note out just in time. I could have become a professional on a stage or getting on TV at it in my day, but instead decided to carry on in a humble career of Hard Manual Warehouse Labouring. Humping my guts out in both cases!. eh! Never mind then. I would have thought that by now this dynamic duo with all their videos produced could be producing at least what is advertised 'on the tin', NOT some smörgåsbord of Motorcycle content, thrown in just all over the place. Mind you this 'Biker Torque' do make an effort, though how are 15 sec & 12 sec videos I see of theirs 'an effort'. BLIMEY YT content makers, nothing less than about 10 mins please!!!. AS watching YT on a smart TV usually incurs a section of ADVERTS that YT want to condition us with before the content is shown. So what is the gig then?, 2 different adverts then the 15 sec lack of content video, then 2 more adverts followed by an even shorter 12 sec almost devoid of content clip. Cannot anyone SEE the >>impracticability>Darcy & the 'ol GRIFTER

[@BikerTorque]

🤔

[@azjeffs]

It's a video about bikes m8 🤙

[@azjeffs]

Very funny read though!

[@abeyroy007]

Kudos to those who read the comment fully 👏...

[@pradeepg2cool]

Guys we are Bharat now...not India

[@BikerTorque]

Ok

[@vineethg6259]

Good luck making foreigners pronounce it correctly as "BHAA-RATH" and not as "Borat". 😀 "India" is a good enough name for English speakers and is still the official name of the country in English, whatever certain neo-nationalists fans of a certain political party here might say.

[@GURUKHAN_OG]

It's not! Pls don't misguide foreigners!

[@pradeepg2cool]

@@GURUKHAN_OG it has been it is...

[@darklord9102]

​​@@pradeepg2cooli will use inida until it is in the constitution....you can use bharat as its also in the constitution....but don't force it on other's.

[@adamdixon2251]

Seriously! You can't pronounce Himalayan?

[@BikerTorque]

I think you’ll find we can.

[@ewetho]

Seriously that is how the Indians who build the bike pronounce it… So…..