The New Sludge Warlock OTK is a Problem

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00:00 Intro
01:15 Game 1
06:39 Game 2
10:40 Game 3
15:05 Game 4
19:24 Game 5
#ShowdownInTheBadlands #Hearthstone #ChumpHS

[@james-s-smith]

Pyrotechnician died for this

[@sonikwro]

The best comment ever 😂

[@jugularstab]

It's almost like Thaddius has been a problematic design since its inception, and any sort of effect that can reduce costs to 0 is impossible to balance.

[@WheezyShotta]

It’s mad how everyone’s shitting on that Mage Legendary for not reducing below 1, ie not broken

[@pawelmazur8318]

It's almost as if changing cards without thinking through all the possible ramifications might be bad design.

[@darklordinateur]

Funnily enough, Thaddius was probably more reasonably designed originally. I really didn't like its "nerf" (more like rework). Nerfing Slime to 6 mana would have been better imo

[@arachnofiend2859]

@@darklordinateur They should have just killed the card. Your odd/even cost cards have +1 attack. Fuck em

[@Syleion]

how is nerfing slime gonna fix other decks using thaddius ? :D@@darklordinateur

[@WhoStoleMyNachos]

Guys I'm starting to think Thaddius was the problem and not pyrotechnician...

[@Narokkurai]

"President Blizzard, we've intercepted a coded message from the balancing team we keep locked in the basement. We've only managed to partially decode it, but it reads, 'B_N TH_DDIUS'" "Bon Thoddius? What could that possibly mean?"

[@Budduh]

Dev Comment: "Sludge Warlock is a cool deck that hasn’t landed. We didn’t think there was a good way to make the deck performant without changing the Sludges themselves, but we didn’t want to push them too far and turn this into an OTK deck."

[@chiewhoong2020]

You should quote it. It's literally what Dev said on the patch note.

[@Budduh]

@@chiewhoong2020 there ya go

[@DaniTheBunni]

Dw they'll nerf it next patch! And not Thaddius!

[@Jacob-gj8ef]

Devs are awful.

[@user-hn4um8uq7z]

Ah yes, another day in hearthstone) Birds are singin, barrels are flying and Thaddius is still unnerfed) What a great day)

[@GrenadeMan9000]

You can't expect devs to actually understand their game

[@Halibel764]

They made a consistent way to cheat mana!

[@eiyukabe]

What a fun and interactive game.

[@eclectictoothbrush]

This is ridiculous. They really need to nerf amorphous slime. That card is a serious problem.

[@ElBandito]

Rework Thaddius too.

[@WhipLash42o]

The joke is that he’s nerfing around Thaddius bro.

[@solar6212]

I mean if we ban the sludge warlock Its gonna be balanced right?! Lets get to it.

[@Tymon0000]

I like how the warlocks cast mortal eradications on an empty board. Peak hearthstone interaction.

[@RealJuiceWrld]

Every second I go without a Chump upload is a problem.

[@haltingpassion]

Well time to nerf the Barrel of Sludge to 5 mana deal 3.

[@ingsve]

More like nerfing or banning Thaddius.

[@ngolong4070]

@@ingsvethe meme is doing anything but nerf Thaddius

[@gamman1]

Nah man watch, they going to nerf sludge on wheels

[@crunchytoast6007]

Barrel going to 4 mana would fix it lol. Then it’s not odd cost

[@christopherbriggs7699]

HS players: Thaddius is the issue. HS devs: We hear you, we'll nerf every other card in HS accordingly.

[@Metallijosh100]

I think I had a brain lag and merged the previous two videos in my head so I was sure this was a re-upload, then I clicked it and heard "uhoh" and immediately knew it was a new one.

[@ninenineninenine407]

There is a serious problem when combo can reliably beat aggro. Standard needs more tech like Loatheb to keep combo in check when the devs aren't available to nanny

[@croutons4salad613]

What genuine aggro deck is gonna run a card like loatheb in current standard tho, like the treant druid he played in the first match doesn't really have room for a 5 mana card just in case they run into a combo deck

[@ninenineninenine407]

@croutons4salad613 Any aggro slower than pirate rogue in Wild runs loatheb and nothing in standard would ever be faster than pirate rogue. 5 mana is a fine topend when at worst it forces your opponent to maneuver awkwardly and at best it locks them out of a crucial board clear or their entire turn/combo

[@eveazy]

@@croutons4salad613 To be fair, aggro druid runs that 5 mana 4/5 draw 2 card, so if they had the warlock in a bad spot at turn 5 and locked out any AOE, probably would win more games.

[@PenguinWithInternetAccess]

There is speaker stomper ig

[@theendofthestart8179]

It’s not THAT reliable, and people in legend at this rank aren’t playing the BEST DECK possible or anything

[@gorgeouszan]

Hey guys...remember when Denathrius came out...and his ability to hit face coupled with Brann made the combo extremely broken....and they kept nerfing other little cards around the combo but not touching the combo at all....and every other broken interaction Brann enabled....and instead of just removing Brann from Standard they kept skirting the issue....Glad they learned from that lesson.

[@pawelmazur8318]

Thaddius should be reduce the cost of your odd/even cards by half, rounded down.

[@Blue-Dwarf]

That's what I was thinking while watching this. Another change they could make would be just to add "but not less than 1".

[@tundrazzr3659]

So just kill the card I guess?

[@raphaelmarga7753]

Yeah the design isnt interesting at all

[@austinarteaga8222]

@tundrazzr3659 they killed Tony and jailer, why not just keep proving that they don't know how to balance the game

[@MEGURMAN]

Atp I hope they do kill thad​@@tundrazzr3659

[@Floegobaby]

Everything that makes cards go to zero mana is a problem if its not limited to certain cards or a certain class. But even that is risky. I think Thaddius was a super strong card in its original state. The nerf actually made it broken

[@Jakeomaniac]

Merry Christmas Chump!

[@MartB-tx5lb]

Just got pwned by this deck, opened KZbin and your video is the first hit 😮

[@EDoyl]

Thaddius combos extremely effectively with cards that cost odd or even amounts of mana

[@tinylith1603]

when combo deck beats aggro something has to be fixed for sure

[@hermiona1147]

Merry Christmas everyone! 🎁

[@TheSandman144]

Just pulled off the combo turn 6 it’s kinda toxic

[@vitormelo3295]

Keep up the good work Chump

[@EyBoyO]

Chaddius strikes again!

[@UtahsBowser]

I am struggling to get this to work. I just never seem to hit lethal or do it in the wrong order?

[@PandaEnPleurs]

Heyyy, just a question, Loken isn't better than thaelan ? Because you summon an 11/11 and draw your minion immediatly for only one more mana 🤔

[@ItsDKoda]

How to assist in fixing thaddius Add a line that says "but never less than 1" Means if something is reduced with say, Thaurissan, it still is forced to have some resources spent

[@randomname9723]

Hmmm I wonder if Thaddius is a problem 🤔🤔🤔

[@YourTamedLion]

This seems better and easier than the druid version

[@michaelbowman6684]

The three biggest issues with Hearthstone for the longest time has been 0 Cost Cards, Infinite Value Cards, and Alternative Win Conditions. 0 Mana Cards leads to Combo oversaturation until the point where they win faster than Aggro decks, and Infinite Value Cards are a tool for Aggro decks to utilize to never run out of resources and keep doing things long after they should have run out of cards which punishes Control decks for trying to grind and out resource their opponent, and Alternative Win Conditions are for Control decks to address the Infinite Value problem by giving them a way to end the game before it even becomes a problem, they just need to stall long enough until it becomes active, which results in them being able to beat Aggro decks but they get shafted even harder by Combo decks. This is not a very well-balanced game of Rock, Paper, Scissors. Sometimes Paper somehow ends up beating Scissors by dismantling it before it can even do anything.

[@NightDandy675]

Wait, didn't Thaddius use to change polarity in hand?

[@Narokkurai]

Yes but the copy summoned by Sludge is a "new" copy that starts with its polarity set to Odd.

[@NightDandy675]

@@Narokkurai Wow. Didn't realise that. Not having to worry about the polarity is crazy.

[@ShuckleShellAnemia]

My guess is they’re going to make Thaddius only discount other undead.

[@ivanmartinez498]

alright surely thaddeus gets reworked again after this or banned right?

[@Discerned_]

Time to ban amorphis slime to directly remove the problem 😅

[@xordid]

time for early rotation for Thad o7

[@GenericMedusa99]

i just got turn 5 otk by this deck i would like to thank the devs

[@nabyynhs6343]

Thanks for the deck, I took the legend

[@windwalkerrangerdm]

Just simple rules of design: Don't make cards that make things cost 0. And be careful making cards that make things cheaper.

[@TbSaysNo]

tip: use acolyte of pain instead of finley

[@lucjanl1262]

Didnt you just have leathal in the last game after playing finley?

[@user-iy6rp1zt1l]

finley dosent draw anything there

[@lucjanl1262]

Yeah, i don't know what I was thinking those 18 hours ago

[@silverhawkscape2677]

And now every deck is trying to Counter them with Plague, Warrior Armor or Druid Aggression.

[@johnholland6958]

You should put second slime in an etc so you have access to steam cleaner

[@johnholland6958]

Also this is degenerate and you should feel bad for playing it

[@VegasSharp]

You make it look so easy lol. Maybe my draws are just bad.

[@DarkHentaiDragon]

If I had a nickel for every time warlock broke standard.... I'd have less than a dollar but quite a few nickels still

[@ElBandito]

Fun and interactive. /s

[@upellward]

I guess I will just not play until Thaddius rotates since they seem to refuse to fix him

[@Viktor14485]

I have crafted this deck, seems like it is just luck on how good your card draw is.... And I dont have that great draw, I get stuck with the 1 cost spells every game

[@maxb2244]

Cards should always cost mana.

[@noooname2568]

Back to playing solitaire HS

[@tudormarin7739]

Combo winter boys

[@WeeWeeJumbo]

hi Chumbo your friend, Jumbo

[@AWanderingTylerT]

I'm O and 5 with this lmao

[@croutons4salad613]

Prob not piloting it perfectly, or your in an mmr where everyone's playing super aggro l

[@AWanderingTylerT]

yeah i think im just too dumb, time runs out on that otk turn so fast lol @@croutons4salad613

[@ajamesrichards]

Reduce the cost of cards to 1, not 0. Silly devs

[@kybalion5205]

Never say "shoot my slime" again😅

[@Satherian]

Don't mind me - just waiting for all the morons to flood the comments with "This deck has a sub-50% winrate, so actually it's not a problem that it's massively toxic and unfun to play against."

[@Heatranoveryou]

wins game: "ok well that was probably one of the worst games of hearthstone ive ever played."

[@juliosoto6315]

I think he is talking about the mirror, how interactive the game is, just the fact it doesnt matter what happened, the first one that gets the broken OTK wins, no strat.

[@Heatranoveryou]

@@juliosoto6315 i know the context, its still funny.

[@ObscureJester]

it is surely frustrating and thaddius IS the problem but this deck is abysmal and simply can't win unless oppo draws so bad that concedes before you even close the otk.

[@6BlitZo9]

Did you play this deck? You consistently win on turn 6 or 7, the main weakness is the animation time which can make you lose when you had lethal

[@ObscureJester]

@@6BlitZo9 yes. Between opponents out-tempoing you and constant risk of burning cards unless you get perfect curve/draws, you often end up being forced to go all in and have no sludges or not sufficient board clears to go face.

[@mgs85]

@@ObscureJester Sounds like a skill issue. Just sit there and do nothing until you draw the combo. 75% wr.

[@nicolascamaratta]

Bruh sludge on wheels needs a ban already

[@kanabekasEU]

went couple games against dk, always lost, bad card draws looking for combo, so deck really luck dependable, and atm 90% decks run against dk, deck need improvements

[@guilhermeabrao1378]

I just gave it a try and literally lost two games only because of animations and rope. If the stupid animations and time weren't there, I'd have won.

[@caiofiuzaseixas9027]

Wait, but pyro was...banned...

[@invisibledog93]

Don't mind it at all. Keeps control in check

[@YourTamedLion]

Keeps Aggro druid in check too😂😂😂

[@brunocapssa]

game is unplayable until they fix this... great video though!

[@user-sc8oh9hk7e]

They need to ban thadius till the end of season

[@katnumb1692]

I literally uninstalled the game after losing on turn 6 against this deck, Standard mode having an OTK on turn 6 is a complete joke I used to play ranked Wild but got tired of seeing bs broken decks in wild so i switched back to standard, but it seems like there's no difference between these 2 game modes lol

[@christianevald]

well. I'm not as good a player as chump but this deck really wasn't consistent for me. the meta still feels very aggro and this deck has low amont of response to that

[@gavsterdb]

I played someone who played this very badly earlier. Always fun to observe

[@MrRasslor]

uploading games where u have Thaddius and Slime in your hand, arent representative. Been playing this a bit and while i suck at the deck, its nowhere near as consistent as you make it out to be.

[@infantilemewling6801]

YAY!

[@NeotroC]

Tbh unban Pyro Tec. and Ban Thaddius.

[@fabioantoniosenorellipadil2896]

No!

[@Jacob-gj8ef]

I hate warlock with a passion. Every iteration has cards with absolutely no counter. Sludge warlock literally wins on turn 5 without playing a single card beforehand. How did they not nerf this a long time ago? Change the cost of card so they're not all odd. It's ridiculous.

[@HyperMine]

how is this a thing btw xd

[@andrewbart2515]

death knight is the absolute worst matchup for this deck

[@Xgya2000]

I think a reasonable nerf to the Arcanist would be changing its Battlecry. "Your spells can't damage heroes this turn" So you can aim spells at their face all you want, their damage will be zero. It weakens or disables a lot of kills from hand, something Blizzard said they wanted to do away with.

[@jinyaolu829]

basically anything except nerf thaddius

[@Xgya2000]

@@jinyaolu829 How does that have anything to do with it? I'm merely saying that spells that can deal face damage without targeting face break the intent behind the Arcanist even though they don't break the text. As far as that other card is concerned, revert the Thad changes and unleash him on Wild.

[@PenguinWithInternetAccess]

Arcanist is not a problem

[@djentile7773]

This would piss me off to die to lol

[@bradmcbride2302]

Every second opponent is playing this toxic crap. HS not worth playing till Blizz fixes this. This is at diamond rank anyway

[@oritu3282]

omg

[@Roqxxx]

This Otk is way better with the Robot that tosees everything Out of Your Deck that didnt start there even playable in this Deck with the 11 mana 11 Hand cards card

[@OwenHooper-mv4fm]

Play The Jailer. 2 TJ

[@Nightmare333.]

let's go in the next patch they will ban sludge 🤡

[@ProjectMathesar]

This deck requires at least four specific cards in your hand within the first 5 turns. If you're missing even one of them, the deck doesn't work.

[@HectorConCarne.]

Yet the bots get the same exact perfect mulligan every time.

[@user-bw6sm9nt9p]

Mobile code?

[@WheezyShotta]

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[@chriscastle1629]

Hot(?) take: I like Thaddius. I miss the days of shirvallah OTK paladin, malygos druid, topsy turvy priest. I also hated the Stormwind meta enough to quit the game for several months, so i don't just find combo metas inherently fun. It's possible he does need a nerf and I'm ok with that if so. I just think people are reacting the way they do when they get OTK'd by any deck. It's just the mana cheat cards that are really exacerbating the problem, but they aren't the card that actually "wins" the game, so they don't get the heat.

[@frozen_spider]

Cards lik Thaddius is a problem because they're incredibly hard to balance. I'm somehow sure Blizzard balance team didn't think about this specific OTK when buffing/nerfing Barrel of Sludge, since they said they "didn’t want to push them too far and turn this into an OTK deck". And it will be like that with any new card added, or card cost changed. Until it rotates to Wild, and there forever. That's a huge design space limitation.

[@PenguinWithInternetAccess]

I agree on otk decks being fine, but a card should not be able to initiate so many of them, zspecially that early in the game

[@paulelkin90]

What’s up with KZbinrs not knowing mobile after years

[@nigrivon]

It's not that much of a problem. It's very susceptible to disruption and other otk decks can be equally fast. It also needs practice, you can easily mess up your go off turn as animations are really slow. But yes, if you get good draws, and opponent is slow or doesn't play disruption, you will have some free wins.

[@Cyanixful]

There's no other deck able to OTK on turn 6 bro

[@Purplexity]

???? this is a consistent turn 5 lethal (if you have coin) almost every game in standard

[@nigrivon]

@@Purplexity no, it's not really that consistent, play 50 games with it and see yourself

[@Satherian]

​@@nigrivon Damn, the "but the deck is sub-50% winrate" comments are already here

[@nigrivon]

@@Cyanixful well you could do turn 5 otk with nature shaman or rivendare druid event though they most often go off later, same here

[@soradu78]

delete thaddius

[@NextTycoon]

Sludge isnt that good. It's literally 50/50

[@KhaledIron]

I still don't think they need to change thaddius, the bigger problem rn is paladin which is really annoying

[@crunchytoast6007]

There can be 2 problems at the same time

[@patrickvestal2725]

This is why this game is dead and will stay dead. Zero fun, broken decks and devs who have no idea what they are doing.

[@fatcoommies]

Classic holidays meta incoming, let's focking go!

[@lennymost167]

BECAUSE OF THAT DECK I QUITT HEARTHSTONE. Ballanced