The NEW Talaria Sting MX5 PRO!

[@The10thManRules]

Competition is good for business, great for the customers.

[@Bengy22]

Going to need you guys to test out that updated suspension and brakes, cant wait!

[@michaelbergman4469]

And surron is asleep releasing a kids bike, gtfo

[@mixmastamikal]

I get this perspective but it honestly could have been the best move possible as well. The segment of the market that the light bee created is definitely the most popular but as you can see from what E-ride and talaria have delivered it has the most competition. It may not seem like it given the perspective that this particular e-moto community has but the 50cc/65cc moto scene is huge and people spend a ton of money on the smaller pit bikes. Especially in the Jr. racing scene. I think electric bikes are very attractive to people with kids that are already spending pretty crazy money on modifying and supporting those bikes. Why not try to break into a new demographic that doesn't really have great options and improve on the ultra platform rather than focus on the platform that looks like you will have to cut margins to the minimum to be competitive?

[@StokedERides]

Great video these are the kind of discussions we need to push this industry and production quality in the right direction. I feel like they all need to up their game on suspension, brakes and durability of the frames. Now that people are starting to jump bigger jumps with them. I can only imagine 5-10yrs years down the line how sick these bikes are going to be stock🤙

[@JohnnyGlad96]

Excellent insight. Outstanding boys. Good shit. 🤙🏻

[@mixmastamikal]

Excellent video as always. Love to see a first take that is objective concerning the claimed specifications before the actual review. Interested to see how it stacks up. Looks pretty promising though.

[@Alex-oy6wb]

Surronster already has it and a video too

[@EmotoOregon]

If you want a sesame street review. Go for it. This is for mature adults.

[@mixmastamikal]

Yet this video has way more information regarding the stated specifications as well as discussion of what they mean compared to the competition. Both are great and I am glad they are not the same.

[@mxracingunlimitedltd7784]

Yea i dont understand how they didn't get a Bike but he did. The only have 1 "Press Bike" lol ?

[@coolshariq]

I just love Talaria 👍👍👍

[@VoltedAdventures]

I think we all hoped the Hyper Bee was an upgraded LBX, what a missed opportunity by Surron 🤷🏻‍♂

[@wonderwook3919]

I agree

[@SurFrankenRon]

Definitely. My kids already use razor. There's enough modularity for those, I'm not getting them surron. However my wife needs a bike, and it seems at this point I'd choose an mx5 for her

[@AlexUnleashed222]

@@SurFrankenRonjust got the MX5 we’ll see how it is wanted a sur ron

[@SurFrankenRon]

@@AlexUnleashed222 I'm sure that mx5 is far better than a stock surron. Enjoy it and be safe.

[@AlexUnleashed222]

@@SurFrankenRon yeah the amount of bikes that are coming out is just nonstop

[@Alex-oy6wb]

Looks good

[@johnframpton7666]

Cant wait to see the MX4 and e ride pro comparisons! Ive been set on getting the e ride, but since the MX5 came out i'm holding off until I can see some more comparisons such as battery and suspension. I'm also a bigger rider (275lbs) so would love to hear how the e ride which is rated up to 300lbs compares to the MX5.

[@yevgeniylankin7032]

Wondering why these bikes don’t come with drop crown as stock. Wider bars as well.adjustable footpegs height would be nice as well so we don’t have to buy the warp9 adjustable mount.

[@gregorypatzelt6964]

I bought a surron one year ago. Soon after, companies started offering 72v out of the box. Considering Surron started the hype around these bikes, theyre falling behind.

[@Sunspot-19]

If I were a product engineer, I would bring in a couple of real dirt bikes and say to the crew, this is what a dirt bike looks like and works like. We have to make an electric one that works like a dirt bike!! As for throttle issues, those can be programmed... The issue is poor setup and logic in the "PCM". Look at it like this... Most modern cars are "fly by wire". The PCM has a truth table in it. The throttle pedal has a sensor like the E moto's throttle does. If I do a sloppy throttle curve in the PCM, you drive it and hit 25% throttle, it goes wide open... Get the picture? That is all programmable in the Variable Frequency Drive. That lovely cigar box with the 3 phase motor wires landed on it can and does need throttle curve programming done. Phase amps also plays into this. Get that done and suddenly we have driveability! Brakes... Basically, they are an F350 equipped with brakes intended for a Tercel. What a bloody law suit attempting to happen!! The E' itself. A rather flexible looking frame and swing arm, stands to reason that chain drop should be a regular part of their operation since the chainline is not going to run straight at all times. The E Moto has come along but still has a long way to go. Reliability and sturdy chassis. Battery technology and range. Same for EV's that are being pushed!! We cannot fuel em up as quickly as a gasser. The bloody batteries are over the top expensive. I'll give it this, this new industry is very competitive now. They are trying to improve their products at an alarming rate. Hat's off to them for this!! Prices are going to moderate as this segment leaves infancy and matures. Am I seeing an E Moto on my radar? You betcher ass I am. Looking forward to your testing and review of the 5!!

[@tintin6291]

It’s funny you say that the punch was for the wheelie crowd when we actually hate it. Most change the controller on the talaria for that reason

[@Nobodyatall00]

Awesome bike but with its weight 45 a.h or 50 would of helped range. But per suronsters video the mx5r did destroy the eride pross and mx4r in race and uphill climb. Dot fluid brakes are sic larger calipers and beefier transmition rocks

[@Bengy22]

This was the only thing that also left me disappointed, very small capacity bump to contend with the extra power and weight. A 45 or 50ah bettery would have made this home run of a bike a grand slam

[@LarryRichelli]

Suronster also said that the range really sucked!

[@shockadellick]

SurRonster got a horrible start on the MX-5 and it was still capable of swallowing the e-Ride pro. Plus it has a Gear Box.

[@shanemollison]

@@shockadellicke ride pro all the power you ever need

[@mxracingunlimitedltd7784]

Its the 520 chain as well. They are heavy, its a full size dirt bike chain. Not sure why they chose to do that, maybe theyre just getting to powerful for the tiny 420 chains. However, a bonus is that the chain and sprockets will last longer. The new Gearbox is also massive and has some really nice new gearbox mounts in 2 spots now i believe. But much better in that regard, which strengthens up the gearbox as well by forming more mounting points to fight the torque. The brakes are also dirt bike sized now and if you ever roll a dirt bike they dont roll super easily like a MX4 or a surron. If youre going to want to use it offroad like me though its perfect, just wish it had some more range yeah. But if its close to the MX4 id be happy.

[@AlexanderBarclay-c5l]

I iwn a MX5 its amazing had it 2weks got it in Scotland at Talaria dealership 70miles from Aberdeen Scotland cant fault it yet

[@Flexgzz]

As soon as I buy a mx4 h the mx5 comes out I’m pissed

[@markospina575]

Sell it

[@nilortizfernandez1573]

Sting r l3e is better than the mx5 pro, for multple reasons, one of them is the longevity of the batery, the price is cheaper and because being a 125cc you have the plan moves, something that the 50cc like the mx5 pro don’t have, and you have 1,100€ back to your pocket, With this cheaper price you can make many improvements, be happy with your bike man 🤙

[@cyumadbrosummit3534]

7:35 until they finally start talking about the MX-5.

[@estebanfranco8955]

I have a gen one MX3. I'm now starting to upgrade it, I would like to just by stock MX5 parts. can you guys look into that and make video about it

[@nzcaddis]

I think it depends on whether they've changed the geometry of the frame and bolt-on configuration. Aftermarket controllers give you a lot of control and let you change between different battery voltages, motors etc. the MX5 has a redesigned gearbox, so if you go for MX5 gear, you'll probably need to get the controller, motor and gearbox all at once. And if they've changed frame geometry or connection points, it's not going to work. I'd say after-market is the way to go...

[@estebanfranco8955]

@@nzcaddis I really only want the forks and brakes, maybe the front wheel. I doubt the gear box will work because the MX4 gear box doesn't bolt on the MX3

[@nzcaddis]

@@estebanfranco8955 yeah, that sounds about right. I run 18/21 on mine with a KTM front-end and love it. I put TRP brakes on the rear but find that they still fade pretty badly on big downhills.

[@apexcapital1328]

Hmm, should I wait for the Dragon…

[@trousertrout3447]

everybodys talking about the regen lever when all you got to do is push up or down on the controller right?

[@sendysent]

False

[@nzcaddis]

Being able to adjust regen on the fly is a game changer - especially in the hills. This was part of the reason for putting the x-9000 on my MX3.

[@mxracingunlimitedltd7784]

No its effectively a real time "e-brake" lever you press when you want it do the Regen braking and how much. Not the constant Regen Level Setting like on the MX4.

[@aco3495]

Only thing would be range for sure, everything else is premier. What is the confirmed range again? 50 miles?

[@mixmastamikal]

Range on these bikes is pretty impossible to quantify. It depends completely on where and how you are riding. If you are going wide open on pavement/city streets you will drain it super fast. On slow speed single track you will get way more. If you are capable of using more power (13.5 kw vs. 12kw) and you are using it you are going to drain the battery faster. This should be pretty obvious. If you keep it in ECO or sport you will get more range. Learning to use the manual brake regen could help a little in this regard but really the biggest benefit is reducing brake wear and fade from over heating. I love that feature as well as the light switch.

[@johnmclaughlin4802]

@@mixmastamikala lot of these people just don’t know how to ride .

[@aco3495]

Would you say out of all the 72v this is the best bike out there so far?​@mixmastamikal

[@skibumm47]

When are you getting an Ultra Bee with the race kit?

[@robertsilva5041]

Sur Ronster did a video today. Sad news it spanked the eride pro ss 😮😮😮😮

[@shanemollison]

E ride pro ss is still better

[@robertsilva5041]

@@shanemollison I strongly concur

[@trickywind5441]

Except with range

[@shanemollison]

@@trickywind5441 yes e ride has better range, lighter in weight, way more torque, that video did not spank the e ride pro. The mx5 has smaller sprocket means it’s faster at higher speeds you can put a smaller sprocket on the e ride and it will spank it in the higher speed as well. “Neck to Neck with the e ride pro bro let’s go”

[@thegreatark119]

My question is, how exactly does the MX5 compare to the Dragon? What exactly is the difference between the two besides the estimated price?

[@EmotoOregon]

17/21 makes the Talaria handle insanely better.

[@tintin6291]

Not proper wheel size. It’s 18/21. Or 16/19

[@mxracingunlimitedltd7784]

18/21

[@yho12]

​@@tintin629117 inch rear allows for a wider taller tire, you can get the week to be the same diameter than 18.

[@EmotoOregon]

I ran them all. 17/21 is the best. Everyone who tried it agreed.

[@gunsgamesandmotors6517]

17/21 is the move

[@Adam.A.Higgins]

Eride Pro SS, Ventus One, or MX5 to build a bike from?

[@OneHitMan999]

If only yall said it sooner I would’ve just wait I already got the mx4

[@kopparsulfat]

Well, my Talaria have the SCUD battery and changeing to the Torp controller will do nothing. Have seen people haveing installed a Torp 500 getting pretty upset when they gained nothing.

[@filipeapariciodias8450]

First of all, greats from Portugal, mobility is one of the most important things and I love the time and effort you have been spending with testing all those models... But can you also check the company VELI MOTOR "VMX8000(EEC 25KW)" and some other options even the "2024 VGX9(EEC)28KW" or "2023 VGM5000(EEC) E-scooter"

[@melbournechugging2999]

Still using mtb brakes Sur ron and talaria needs to change the brakes

[@realkidcarter]

did you not look at the video, they arent mtb brakes buddy

[@xKINGxRCCx]

I just bought a e ride pro few days ago from gritshift (hasn’t got to my house) should i return it when it gets here and get the MX5 or stick with the eride 2.0?

[@idab708]

Return, this is a direct upgrade at a lower cost.

[@glycerine16stone]

I have an Eride pro as 2.0. The 2.0’s don’t have a turbo- instead the gearing has turbo included throughout. Honestly torque and top end is not the problem with the Eride. I can’t imagine choosing a different bike because of those two specs. What they should work on is suspension, tires, brakes and rotors. Power is perfect for the Eride but all those other categories is what you will be ‘upgrading’ I just put a set of trp dhr evo brakes on mine with 220/2.3 mm rotors on. I love my ERide but I would have e gladly spent more money for wider rear tire, better suspension, and better brakes.

[@markospina575]

Mx5 sold out already

[@ChargedCycleWorks]

That's a great question.. Sadly we don't have the answer until we do some extensive testing. The E ride pro has been put through its paces and we love that bike as well as the feel of the geometry and handling. The talaria in years past has not handled as well as the E Ride does. We are hoping the MX5 will be a large improvement and will be testing very soon, but until then we cannot recommend returning the E Ride Pro

[@kevinveltfort5956]

Where is the Dragon?

[@Antonio-r8r]

I need some help. I want the best e moto I can get for 5k and under. I want power but also range and durability. Whats yall opinion?

[@AlderaansRanger]

Still going to get an UB. Waiting for someone to get them back in stock. 😂

[@lol-em6bj]

this goes faster , but i can see why you’d want a ub too

[@BrianLampright913]

Get the new UB with 18” rear and then grab a 21” front wheel for it from @chargedcycleworks 🔥

[@mxracingunlimitedltd7784]

Different style/class of bike's in my opinion. Both are awesome in their own right though.

[@monkman369]

It looks like the dragon specs but on the smaller frame

[@db58]

Ugh. I have an E Ride Pro being shipped now. I didn't know Talaria even had a new bike coming.

[@11xjet]

When the hype calms down, I think you will be happy with the E Ride. I have one, it's excellent out of the box. What Surronster didn't say was if the E Ride was in Turbo, while the MX5 was in hyper mode. It wasn't a fair comparison, he was making a commercial.

[@TheShmann]

​​@@11xjet what's the difference between eride turbo and talaria hyper? Both ran on max power, isnt it?

[@db58]

@@11xjet That's an excellent point and interesting about the "commercial".

[@Bengy22]

@@11xjet That's some pure copium, if the eride wasn't in turbo the talaria would have destroyed it, not to mention turbo is the same as sport now. 13.4kw vs 12kw. Just wait for eride to release their 16kw model though, that will make things interesting

[@mixmastamikal]

@@11xjet He didn't state that but I think it probably was. If the claimed stats are correct this should put out over 10% more power (12Kw vs. 13.5) which makes sense given the results of the drag race.

[@stephanfewan3810]

is thre a street legal too

[@OrianIglesias]

Until they fix the geometry, it’s a no from me. I owned two Talaria Sting MX4s, and the geometry is problematic. The bike tends to dart left or right if you take your hands off the bars, and it pitches you into the seat due to how the bike is set up. My friend had one with 16/19 wheels, and they didn’t help the geometry either. Both bikes also had issues with the forks. If the star nut was tight enough to eliminate play in the bearings, the forks would bind. If it was too loose, there was play and slop.

[@mixmastamikal]

Really is a two fold problem. Even with proper support and suspension the head tube angle is a little too steep to give proper stability. Yes, this can be corrected by aftermarket forks like the EXT ferro that has shorter offset of the axle as well as longer axle to crown measurement and much better mid stroke support. But really it is not ideal to have such big geometry problems from a stock platform. Something that is interesting to me is that none of these companies are publishing geometry numbers such as wheel base, rake, and rear center.

[@1lifeonearth]

​@@mixmastamikal is the sur ron geometry better? I have a surron 2021 and I just ordered an mx5 and now you got me scared 😢

[@realkidcarter]

@@1lifeonearth nah dont worry about them, its not a real issue

[@1lifeonearth]

@@realkidcarter okay good to know, thanks!

[@Stevo_YouTube]

Are these bikes suitable for riding on an actual MX track?

[@ChargedCycleWorks]

Being a short travel bike and at roughly 13Kw they aren't ideal for motocross. They are a lot of fun on smaller "Vet" style motocross tracks. You'd likely want around 25Kw of power for a Moto track

[@JackalSSD]

You have described all the reasons I shied away from the Taleria. This n that needed to be addressed. Other bikes on the market that have addresses issues that the Talaria is now addressing. A few thousand more get an ultra bee.

[@ChargedCycleWorks]

The Ultra Bee is a fantastic bike but its in a different category in comparison to these smaller E Moto's

[@ashwinprasad2640]

I fell off an MX4, and my medical bills were about the price of the MX4 after my insurance paid 80 %

[@jeffreymyrick8942]

why do you guys pronounce it "tuhlairia"?

[@jonthecowboy]

Sadly I just don't want to play 4 stroke prices for an ebike. Maybe once they get better

[@1waysoldout]

They really need a bigger battery. With all this extra weight and only 40ah. The mx4 could probably go farther. Als why havent any of these guys figured our we want a 16" rear wheel option

[@GameFanaTICK386]

Is it time for me to sell my MX4???

[@JChap323]

Haha I'm in the same boat.... and I decided to. Just bought the MX5. I guess we will see!

[@strottz5022]

How fast

[@dreknows]

I hear the ventus controller is awesome

[@vintageveloce]

Wondering if my MX4's Warp 9 16" rear wheel will fit properly on the MX5...

[@clintroberts1]

Yeah I have the same question and also want to put on my fork upfront so hopefully the brake is good too up front with the fork

[@ChargedCycleWorks]

That is one of the first things we will test when we get the bike shortly. stay tuned

[@clintroberts1]

@@ChargedCycleWorks Luna says rear wheel wont work and front wheel too. Theyre checking if the EXT suspension has the same headset size and fork tube length but youre putting a aftermarket wheel and then a Talaria or after market brake. Only way to do a rear wheel currently is to relace the spokes on the stock hub. Bummer really!

[@saskwotch19764]

Who remembers Sur Ron?

[@dreknows]

I'm sellimg my mx4 thats it

[@LuckyO97]

The mx4 has WAY better throttle control over the surron. Surron is trash for throttle way to much dead zone

[@ashtonanderson2569]

Surronster got 30 mile range. Trash

[@idab708]

In hyper mode, eco will get over 50

[@stephanfewan3810]

there

[@alexphotoslc]

Seems a solid bike, but a bit pricey, currently sitting at $6660+tax

[@ashtonanderson2569]

It’s $4700 in the US

[@alexphotoslc]

@@ashtonanderson2569 oh got. At Luna it is 👌. On Talarias site is way higher.

[@Electric666s]

What about the elephant in the room with the shit short seat no longer able to clear the battery. I get way into what would be nut cracking zone on that bike on my MX3. and burp screw on top of forks is cool.

[@ChargedCycleWorks]

That is one of the fears we have at the moment too and will be addressed in a near future riding video