The New Wave of British Heavy Metal Bike Wheel (w/Martin Popoff)

[@captainbeyond7469]

I’m probably out on an island by myself on this but those first two Iron Maiden albums are far and away my favorites in their catalog. Of course the Bruce years are iconic but the first two are just magical for me. Cheers from the Captain!

[@chetgreblowski7811]

No Captain you have company on that island

[@captainbeyond7469]

@@chetgreblowski7811 Welcome to the Captains shipwreck island Chet. If you’re a fan of Paul’s check out his next band Killer specifically their Murder One album. It’s a continuation of the first two Maiden albums. Cheers good Sir!

[@house9Tube]

🤘

[@monkeyhousescouse]

Me too! Killers then their debut are easily the best. After Number of the Beast and Piece of mind, meh

[@twangersturntable]

I like your island too my friend! 🤘🎶🤘

[@frankcook3612]

Great topic!!…Fridays with Martin and Pete is by far my favorite part of the SOT week.

[@ramonace4770]

Saxon's "Wheels of Steel" should be up there. One of the quintessential Nwobhm albums.

[@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812]

100% agreed.

[@CountBrass]

That or Strong Arm of the Law. Absolutely.

[@bobhoenscheid3047]

I understand the potential provocative nature of this comment, but I for one never liked Saxon nearly as much as other NWOBHM bands. There are good reasons they never broke in the U.S. Childish lyrics, weak production, second-rate musicianship, cringe videos. They always seemed a couple steps behind. Their stuff over the past 15 years is far superior IMO.

[@neilbower9052]

@@bobhoenscheid3047 i would have thought the childish lyrics would have appealed to 99% of Murican rock fans

[@MofosOfMetal]

The New Wave of British Heavy Metal really put the Newcastle area on the Metal map. Tygers of Pan Tang are from the area, Raven, Satan, Venom. I call them the 'Newcastle Big Four' and each are totally different - hinting at the directions that Metal would take in the future. Venom especially - definitely the big outlier - they would push Extreme Metal more than any other band of the early 80s. Speed Metal, Thrash Metal, Death Metal, Black Metal - all of these wouldn't be quite the same without the impact of these bands.

[@melthebell33]

and the labels such as Neat, Guardian records and tapes

[@frankthomas620]

So glad to hear Martin mention Tysondog and Hellanbach! Give a listen to Tysondog's "Beware of the Dog" album and it will blow you away. The riffing on Painted Heroes and Dog Soldiers is equal to anything that Tony Iommi has ever written!

[@philmole1209]

I just listened to Tysondog and it kicked ass! I have to get a copy of that.

[@frankthomas620]

@philmole1209 it's a damn good album and is often overlooked when discussions turn to NWOBHM bands. Venom's Cronos produced the album. He's much better at producing than he is at singing! Lol 😉

[@MrWorfy99]

The first Maiden album is still my fave by them. I love Bruce’s vocals but I prefer the rawness of Paul’s voice. I think Saxons Wheels Of Steel just had to be there!! Good to hear Wrathchild get a mention, Rocky Shades the singer is a good friend of mine and is still out there doing gigs.

[@GordonHeaney]

Great discussion as always, I was there for most of these albums, great days! Best wishes from the UK!

[@stevet2773]

I actually prefer the two pre Dickinson albums, I like Paul's voice over that of Bruce and believe it suits those 2 albums better.

[@alibobsmarland9572]

Saw a load of them back in the eighties. Leppard, Tygers, Maiden, Vardis, Saxon, Diamond Head, Praying Mantis, Savage and Tank. A great period of music. Holocaust The Nightcomers was a brilliant underrated album.

[@chetgreblowski7811]

I totally agree with Maiden. Tygers and Leppard but I would include Diamond Head Lightning to the Nations and Saxon Strong arm of the law

[@mannyruiz1954]

I'm surprised they didn't mention Diamond Head.

[@JoeyArmstrong2800]

Tygers of Pan Tang's "Spellbound" really encapsulates the NWOBHM for me. Dark, Heavy attitude, yet accessable and catchy as hell.

[@keithdonald6583]

My favourite NWOBHM band was Trespass who had two stand out tracks on the Metal for Muthas II album. Sadly they disappeared into obscurity .Also remember seeing Diamond Head back in 79 who were an integral part of the movement

[@Veaseify]

'One of these days' was a quality song. Another decent band was Dedringer and the 'Direct Line' album

[@philjm3103]

@@Veaseify I agree, I absolutely love "One of these days".

[@guadalahonky4002]

Still have Diamond Head vinyl through Canterbury, which was a very different direction. NWOBHM for the win.

[@keithdonald6583]

@@Veaseify Agreed ,mad e all the other tracks on Metal for Muthas II seem amateurish.Dont think Trespass even made an album.

[@billtownsend3427]

They only had a couple of singles at the time

[@derekclacton]

Silverwing / Pet Hate and Grim Reaper were two bands from era which are rarely mentioned - they demonstrated how broad a church the NWOBHM was, ranging from a more glam / show rock style to the heaviest of metal. They were exciting times to be a rock fan - there was something for everyone! Great days! 🙂

[@matsnilson7727]

Woah... Pet Hate... I remember listening quite a bit to The Bride Wore Red (had to look up the title) on cassette tape back in the mid 80's, but haven't given them much thought since then. Just finished listening to a few tracks on youtube and it was a little nostalgic. 🙂

[@derekclacton]

@@matsnilson7727 Love the title track! 👍

[@steelerfreak1977]

Finally a topic I care about. Been a little while.

[@stephennorris2524]

Awesome to see Tokyo Blade get a mention, their later albums are excellent, time for a ranking?

[@mdarts8861]

Love this concept can’t wait to see some more hubs.

[@godetonter4764]

I think that Def Leppard - On Through the Night captures the sound of NWOBHM better than any other of the popular albums of the era. Sledgehammer, Ethel the Frog, Sabre, Persian Risk , Mythra, Gaskin , Incubus, EF Band ( Sweden relocation) , Incubus, Trespass, Geddes Axe ,Millennium, Syar, Black Axe , Paralex all sound closer to early Def Leppard than anything else available on LP or EP. If aliens visited Earth and asked what NWOBHM sounded like I would have to play them either Millennium - the Devil Rides Out , Def Leppard - Answer to the Master, or Geddes Axe - Gods of Rock . Arguably NWOBHM was what truly marked the beginning of music becoming as important as Vocals in Hard Rock or Metal subgenres of Rock music

[@garyjoyce2160]

Nice job guys. Awesome show. Martin / PETE 👍💯

[@cameldream8276]

Martin, I heard you mentioned Quartz on previous show and started checking them out. I can’t stop listening to “Stand up and Fight” it’s so good!

[@chriswoosley1697]

excellent album....and band...their Against All Odds 1983 album ,great as well,....Check out Chateaux,....ferocious guitar work,...or Heavy Load,...Death or Glory...killer stuff

[@TeoBigusDickus]

Once more, brillant subject and execution gentlemen. Props to Pete for the Expect no Mercy t-shirt.

[@motleyfan7558]

This was a great one. Excellent topic

[@darrylamaki2470]

My choices Saxon Wheels.. Raven Rock until you drop Iron Maiden first 2 Def Leppard on through the night Tygers of Pang Tang Wild Cat Diamond Head Lightning Angel Witch debut Great episode Pete and Martin Please do more NWOBHM episodes Maybe a band every day in a month

[@treff9226]

Yeah, Darryl, RAVEN is a headbangers dream band - insane energy with riffs for days, I have a stinking suspicion a lot of metal fans have not been introduced to the blistering sonic mayhem of Raven (last few albums are fookin' awesome) and would love em' if they heard em' 🤘🤘🤘Rock Until You Drop is one of my favorite all time metal albums and that title couldn't be more accurate! You rule!

[@darrylamaki2470]

Back in 1981 I wrote to Neat Records asking for more info on Raven few weeks later I get a letter from John Gallagher What awesome dude Still flying the Raven banner Cheers!

[@treff9226]

@@darrylamaki2470 Well Darryl, I was already a big fan (my neck is ruined, due to Gallagher brothers mastery of metal!) and after reading this, I love em' that much more! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸

[@chrismoyse3529]

This is my era. Have seen the majority of these bands. Most were support bands for the big established acts. Exciting time. Diamond Head we’re my favourite

[@philjm3103]

I agree, "Am I Evil" is an absolute epic. Interesting fact that demonstrates their longevity....this Tuesday, on the York University "Let There Be Rock" radio show (hosted by my 20 year old son!), the last song played was "Am I Evil" by Diamond Head! If that wasn't enough, he (my son) saw DH supporting Saxon in York! I still have the early DH EPs!

[@chrismoyse3529]

@@philjm3103 I met them several times. Saw them support AC/DC, April wine and as headliners. Have their white Lp signed by all. They are one of the best NWOBHM bands. You taught your son well

[@stephenblake2196]

A GOOD SELECTION OF ARTISTS AND ALBUM'S, FOR THAT POINT IN TIME WELL ROUNDED.

[@747jono]

Great topic and excellent choices. On Through the Night is still my favourite Def Leppard album. Disagree with Joe Elliott they were part of the movement. Saw them in Manchester at greyhound track audience about 100 when they first started. Saxon grew but never forgot their roots.

[@frankstanovic4401]

This topic is right my alley. I love this genre of music. Priest with british steel , def leppard on thru the night, killers by maiden, saxon wheels of steel, tygers of pantang . All great choices and pete and martin covered it pefectly !

[@brentorr9953]

Diamond Head has have a place in the hub

[@martinfranco3716]

Great episode. So many albums fit in this topic. My choices would be: Iron Maiden - Iron Maiden Wheels Of Steel - Saxon Angel Witch - Angel Witch On Through The Night - Def Leppard Rock Until You Drop - Raven.

[@tmc1054]

Brilliant show, great content delivered in a informed and unpretentious manner. I would love a show simply looking at Martin's vinyl collection. Thank you, gentlemen.

[@parishofrock2963]

For me & my mates at the time there was a big 4, who all toured with bigger bands & they were Maiden (toured with Priest), Leppard (AC/DC), Saxon (Motörhead) & Girl (UFO). Girl are now all but forgotten.

[@treff9226]

Girl? Were they any good? Love me some Girlschool - never heard Girl.

[@parishofrock2963]

@@treff9226 I really like Girl, particularly their 1st album Sheer Greed.

[@treff9226]

@@Ron-wf5yw gonna check em' out - will get back to ya! Thanks for info!

[@treff9226]

@@parishofrock2963 yeah, I need to give that a spin - big thanks for info! I thought that was Phil Collins old band - and the awesome Phil Lewis....LA GUNS!

[@stephenjefferies5101]

Great show guys, I was surprised that Diamond Head were not mentioned, but are still a touring band. Another band I’ve seen this year were Tygers of Pan Tang, great gig too.

[@martinillingworth1917]

Martin from Newcastle here, who was 16 in 1982. The hub of NWOBHM is Saxon. Listening to your chat here, I'd say that Def Leppard stood outside of the genre because they were considered to be wanting to 'break' America and their music was considered softer in the UK. Satan were not on the radar at all. Tygers of PanTang is a good choice. Saxon, in those early days, were exactly what you are looking for. Strong Arm of the Law and Wheels of Steel are NWOBHM. Diamondhead are also worth a mention, from a UK perspective. Again, Tokyo Blade just not in the conversation.

[@inmyhouse11]

Great show on a great time in heavy metal history. I know the show was prerecorded but I miss the daily weather updates.

[@LoLavilla82]

This looks like something I'd like to watch. I won't be able to watch live in the chat, but I'll definitely watch it, thanks Pete and Martin !

[@chaddunn9621]

Great episode. My favorite metal time period

[@drewrose374]

Great Discussion!

[@antoniog.garcia3187]

Saracen's Heroes, Saints & Fools the best Prog NWBHM album of all time.

[@paulorosario7378]

Yes .Captain you have also company in Arid desert.100% right Two the best for me too.a salute.

[@lateramae]

Anytime you guys talk about the New Wave of British Heavy Metal, I'm in!!!

[@markblue5375]

SAXON - Wheels of Steel 🇬🇧 The ultimate !

[@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812]

🤘😎🤘

[@robertrobertsakarogerslemer]

I am 63 years old and since 1979 I have followed NWOBHM intensely. I was a regular subscriber to Sounds and Kerrang!! In fact the essence of NWBHM came and went very quickly, perhaps genuinely from 79 - 82. Sounds, Kerrang!!, Metal For Muthas, Reading Festival, Neat & Heavy Metal Records, Marquee Club, Neal Kay and The Bandwagon, but the Things started to stop being more underground and become more mainstream. In the USA came the Metal Massacre series and a movement of hair bands, heavy metal bands proliferated around the world. In my opinion, some bands represented the essence of the movement Iron Maiden (with Paul Di´Anno and Clive Burr) Samson (with Bruce Bruce) Def Leppard (On Through The Night), Dark Star, Trespass, White Spirit, Venon, Holocaust, Angel Witch, Saxon , Blitzkrieg, Tygers Of Pan Tang, Vardis, Praying Mantis, Whitchfynde, WitchFinder General, Demon (two first albums), Diamond Head, Girlschool, Girl, Rock Goddes, More, Tank, Raven, Fist, AIIZ, Jaguar, Bitches Sin . .etc It's almost impossible to name just 5 albums, but I would use the criterion that which ones came first were actually the most important albums. Metal For Muthas (compilation) Iron Maiden - First Angel Witch - First Saxon - Wheels of Steel Tygers of Pan Tang - Wild Cat

[@guillaumekalfon9117]

On Thru the Night, absolutely bang on at the very core of the NWOBHM. I agree with Joe Elliott that their following albums not, but this one, right at the heart of it

[@kevinplair6760]

Loved this movement from the jump. There was an article in Circus , probably in 1980, that talked about Maiden playing behind Pat Travers Band at Reading. That story caused me to pickup the Maiden debut (in the same haul with Riot NARITA). Never looked back. Saxon and Angel Witch were in regular rotation even back then. Def Leppard were certainly part of it. Elliot may say they didn’t want to be part of it, but I saw them with Nugent in 1980 and they came back with Ozzy in 1981.

[@reclaimerReclaimer]

I'll take Leppard's debut over anything they did after that.

[@kevinplair6760]

No doubt, though High n Dry had its moments. I liked both of those two

[@godetonter4764]

I think that Neat Records should be considered as a good representation for the NWOBHM movement, and Newcastle on Tyne the location for NWOBHM

[@MrUnmutual2014]

Pete said in the UK Connection Iron Maiden episode that Killer's was the poster child for NWOBHM........yes I'm being pedantic 😉😆🇬🇧

[@CountBrass]

My five [no order]: Iron Maiden. Iron Maiden Def Leppard, High and Dry Saxon, Wheels of Steel Tygers of Pan Tang, Spellbound Angel Witch, Angel Witch

[@robfaulkner7016]

For me you have to have Saxon, Angel Witch and Demon in the mix. Just not convinced for the argument for Def Leppard or even Tokyo Blade. The Japanese imagery was, as I remember it, because bands like Maiden were touring Japan for the first time and getting big coverage in Kerrang, and there was this fascination for all things Japanese including Loudness and Vow Wow.

[@MartinPopoff]

Demon is WAY off the hub. Too poppy and proggy.

[@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812]

My favorite NWOBHM band is Saxon.

[@treff9226]

Loudness rules! Got all 318 albums of theirs! Two favorite things from Japan-sushi and Loudness🤘🤘🤘🍣🍣🍣 Incredible guitarist in Loudness sets them apart.

[@treff9226]

Saxon is still crushing it, with stellar albums that feature potent riffs and tight songwriting! Biff ain't lost a thing! Angelwitch has also put out awesome music during the last six or seven yrs.

[@whitey7998]

Really enjoyable show guys. I started buying albums in my youth around late 79 early 80 here in the U.K. and was firmly in the NWOBHM camp. I will say that I don’t recall Tokyo Blade or Satan being very prominent at the time compared to some others in the genre. I would personally replace them with Samson’s Shock Tactics and Angelwitch ST, just my opinion of course

[@mirko1382]

For me the hub is Samson Shock Tactics and the five spokes are Iron Maiden S/T, Grim Reaper See You in Hell Angel Witch S/T Diamond Head Lightning to the Nations Tank Filth Hounds of Hell BTW Martain's NWOBHM Trilogy books are a fantastic read.

[@PaulMcGarry-bo3jg]

IIRC, Steve Harris has spoken about his love for Wishbone Ash (the twin guitars), Jethro Tull an ELP (the odd time changes) alongside his heavy rock influences. I saw them on this tour and it's my favourite IM record.

[@metalandautism]

Gutted I missed this, watching it now :)

[@memoryandthought4481]

I just wish martin popoff book denin and leather was available in hardback at least if not coffee table and complete colour. Looking forward it.

[@akirasolo57]

Savage and Chateaux 2 of my favs!!

[@ianmacdonald7987]

For me, Saxon would need to be on that hub. Now really hoping you expand this in future episodes to go down each spoke to see where all those notable bands mentioned by Martin appear.

[@gordy3714]

Has Pete and Martin got both of the Metal for Muthas Albums. 👍

[@shaunsmith3538]

Great show guys but I think you both need to go and play 'Wheels of Steel' again. Spent all my pocket money buying it the day it came out and it is pure NWOBHM. And I should know cus I'm British! 😂👍

[@williamwalker146]

What would be interesting to do, would be a 70s, or 80s show-doesn't really matter, and kind of go year by year, and determine what album best represents the hard rock/heavy metal scene by each year. Not the most popular-the best representation per year. Would be fun to see.

[@SepiaChild]

Heavy Metal 🤘🏻 involves lyrics with violent and fantastic imagery and extended guitar solos Example Judas Priest's Painkiller

[@tonyslupe3828]

Denim and Leather is my fave from this period

[@Hexxecutioner]

Some other albums that would fit in or near the hub of the NWOBHM: Tank - Filth Hounds of Hades, Avenger- Blood Sports, Jaguar- Power Games, Vardis - 100 MPH. You can argue how far "up a spoke" they may be, but for me, when I think of the NWOBHM, these are some of the albums that define that sound.

[@independenceltd.]

avoiding the top 2 and def leppard...my five Wild Cat (1980) Lightning to the Nations (1980) Angel Witch (1980) Death Penalty (1982) Tokyo Blade (1983)

[@borderlinedelusion]

I would say piece of mind should be there. As far as maiden. That album got me to play guitar . Danny BorderlineDelusion band

[@micolsen9824]

These MUST be great choices gentlemen, because I was never a fan of heavy metal post 70s and it's a relief seeing no albums I'm familiar with in the 🚲 hub.

[@gordy3714]

Venom, Raven, Satan, Blitzkrieg, Tygers of Pang Tang all from the north east of England. 😁 Check out Millennium song Gang War from 1984. 👍

[@jerryattwooll4864]

I really enjoyed this as a concept. Some interesting choices, 3 of which I would have picked. Proto metal from late 60s early 70s might be an interesting one to do, also AOR but that might be better done by the UK Connection. Early thrash too would be interesting and definitive prog rock too from early 70s.

[@Nark212]

If it wasn’t for the NWOBHM Def Leppard would still be doing the Sheffield pub and club circuit

[@henrikkarlsson1088]

Demon with their two first albums "Night of the demon" and the follower, epic "Unexpected guest" were up there when I as a teenager were a part of NWOBHM. No one of you heard this band? They are still going with founder member/vocalist Dave Hill still sings better than most of the others out there.

[@dtltmtgt]

Cool discussion! Looking at the genesis of sub genres is a great topic. NWOBHM is a perfect subgenre to start with. Maybe some other subgenres in the future??

[@giles7662]

Nice one chaps. I'm a little surprised Diamond Head weren't mentioned..... or were they?

[@joncbartlett]

I can understand why Angel Witch is not a base representation of the NWOBHM, but when I first started to learn about the scene (I was born in 1985 so I didn’t get to experience it firsthand) my mind began to conjure up an idea of what these bands sounded like, and that debut matched my vision the most closely. Perhaps that’s why it’s my favorite NWOBHM album.

[@kenl2091]

Interesting how you suggest that 'Satan' as a band name was not going to appeal to the masses. I'm sure that was true in most of the US, but I doubt if it was any barrier in the UK - they just weren't as good as other NWOBHM bands. Same reason that no-one in the UK was talking about backmasking in Judas Priest records and the name Black Sabbath was probably a help rather than a hindrance in the early days (to the UK 'masses' even if it did cause worry in record company head offices)

[@Hexxecutioner]

You could relate the three major themes of heavy metal to realms in Norse mythology. Asgard, Midgard, and Nifelheim. Asgard would be epic metal bands with concepts based in war, history, literature, and mythology. (Hammerfall, Sabaton, Bruce era Iron Maiden, Manowar) Midgard would be bands with a more "down to earth" or blue collar vibe. ( The Rods, old Riot, 80s Saxon, Def Leppard, Tygers of Pan Tang) Nifelheim would be the bands with darker concepts , more horror and occult themes. (Venom, Angel Witch, early Stormwitch, the first two Running Wild)

[@elbib2446]

hellenbach,or van hellenbach as the uk press called them,good band,who had one of the best guitarists in nwobhm davey pattison

[@tatedavis2016]

Mine are: Saxon- Wheels of Steel Iron Maiden- Number Of The Beast Tygers Of Pan Tang- Spellbound Witchfinder General- Death Penalty Angel Witch- Angel Witch

[@CptMark]

1) Iron Maiden - Iron Maiden (1980) @5:01 2) Def Leppard - On Through the Night (1980) @12:16 3) Tygers of Pan Tang - Spellbound (1981) @17:48 4) Satan - Court in the Act (1983) @21:33 5) Tokyo Blade - Tokyo Blade (1983) @26:40

[@samhouston1979]

that Stryper video sounds cool…i was playing the new cd on the way home from thanksgiving today

[@RonTalksRock]

Glad to see Tokyo Blade get noted…I would definitely have had Saxon in this group but otherwise nice choices. 👍

[@cristianosorio2517]

Hi Guys!!! cool show and theme. You should do part II of this topic, talking just like Martin did about the lesser know NWOBHM bands....... and also an idea for your monday show "Hudson......" --> The Most Overplayed Songs of All Time (That are Still Great Songs!)

[@lonegroover]

I like the bike wheel metaphor. I'd say White Spirit are very close to the hub. The riffs, the pace of the tunes and the guitar sound are very emblematic of that genre.

[@thelaststrangeracoustic3983]

Maybe a bit left field but I think Fist ,Bring the Hell On was a seminal work. 🌟

[@independenceltd.]

underrated album for sure

[@jasonmarkle9016]

Spider - 1982 - Rock 'n' Roll Gypsies that album to me is right in the middle. not saying its a great album, but to me just seems to be middle as it is run of the mill, middle of the road as to what was going on at that time

[@franciskocher200]

Amazing album,amazing band

[@49TheWall]

Funny that this video pops up today as these days I'm reading Mr. Popoffs "The Sunset Years of the NWOBHM" and I just put Tokyo Blade on the turntable two days ago :-) Love that album and "Heaven Is Hell" is one of my all time favorite NWOBHM-songs. However, I think it's a mistake to omit Saxon and "Power and the Glory" from this list. Along with "The Number of the Beast" this is the two seminal albums of the genre and Maiden and Saxon are without a doubt the two most important bands. Besides those two, for sure Satans debut needs to be on a list like this and I would take the debuts from Diamond Head and Savage as well.

[@PedroCaminoMUFC]

Fantastic chat. Who would you say conform the New Wave of Traditional Heavy Metal bike wheel?

[@stephenbrown4211]

I would add Angelwitch, probably the best damn NWOBHM ever and that Witchfinder General album just because that cover got the genre some heavy press coverage in the UK. I also think single Take on The World by Priest was the precursor to what was to come. In the UK the song came out of nowhere to reach the top 20. It was so heavy and less than a year later Geoff Barton coined the phrase that brought in the genre

[@gmotionedc5412]

Dig it! More yes🎉

[@pvdguitars2951]

The core of the wheel: The debut albums of: Iron Maiden Angel Witch Jaguar Def Leppard Holocaust Diamond Head But the band that didn’t have an album, but are THE absolute NWOBHM for me will always be Trespass!

[@chrismoyse3529]

Interesting as I remember at the time when On Through the Night came out the production was slammed as wasn’t heavy enough given how they were live

[@timskelton2325]

Just guessing, but is the only reason Diamond Head weren't mentioned anywhere is because it took a couple of EP's to make up the Lightening for the Nation's album? Diamond Head definitely fit the sound and for me were always at the center of the wheel along with Maiden and Def Leppard.

[@alibobsmarland9572]

The White Album is my favourite album ever.

[@ianscholes3049]

No Diamond Head means no Metallica.

[@lodewillaert2198]

Waldorf and Statler, welcome again!!

[@joer3658]

How about Dark Star? Underrated album.

[@Veaseify]

Weirdly, Riot were possibly the most New Wave Of British Heavy Metal bands ever except they were from New York...

[@treff9226]

RIOT - Fire Down Under is the most underrated metal album in multiverse🤘🤘🤘 It is perfection! RIP Guy Speranza and Mark Reale.

[@Veaseify]

@@treff9226 Rock City was a great debut, recorded for about 8 bucks on a no name label. It had the low fi production values of NWOBHM with the raw energy of the genre - a great great band.

[@treff9226]

@@Veaseify I have and cherish ALL early RIOT albums (Restless Breed as well!) and was completely blown away by just how great their musicianship and tight songwriting were!!! Especially NARITA and FIRE DOWN UNDER - which really sound exactly like my idea of perfect heavy metal, with top notch vocalist (singers like GUY are few and far between) clever riffs and killer guitar tones, and a dynamic rhythm section🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥!!! RIOT are among the greatest, mostly undiscovered, hard rock bands of all time, and they are from freakin' New York City!!! I have told anyone who would listen to check them out, and every single time, people are absolutely blown away! I also have told people who WON'T listen....then camped out on their front lawns until they did - why deprive yourself of hearing OUTLAW or RUN FOR YOUR LIFE or title song NARITA! They are getting more love NOW, than in their prime years, music fans fookin' love em' 🎸🎸🎸 great comment, Steve, take care and keep it loud!

[@kevinbutler3665]

For me---Leppard missed a trick though it didn't do their career any harm, if i were in the band I'd have opened debut album with Glad I'm Alive and closed with Good Morning Freedom, it would have been heavier album, kept Satellite, Rocks Off, Walls Came Tumbling Down and Overture--same with Angelwitch, i'd have had Flight Nineteen, Extermination Day, and Baphomet on it to be heavier. Diamond Heads , white album is the album that got it bang ion for me, i am really fond of both Witchfynde albums and easy in my top ten would be Samson, Head On, Bruce best vocal album for me and Thunderstick best NWOBHM drums on an album.

[@iangladwyn3571]

Hello chaps,runnlng a bit behind. Good discussion, my thoughts are that maiden and satan are on the spokes not youre hub. Maiden's first two albums are as you say yourselves derived from punk . Similar to the french band trust, satan are speed metal or early thrash. The other three are more in the melodic rock/metal, i think other choices could be as follows; Praying mantis,Diamond Head or Persian Risk. You could even throw in Samson. thanks for the shows, many times over.

[@DamnableReverend]

I really enjoyed this, even though I don't know that I quite understand the specifications of the topic. A good illusration of what you guys were saying last week, about us all hearing things differently -- never thought there was anything wrong with the sound of that early Maiden stuff and definitely wouldn't describe the first album as "cavernous" -- it's a very dry, clean sound...yeah it's not martin Birch, but you get that on the second album -- way crunchier and a heaviness that really brings their sound into the 80s. newer Satan stuff is far better sounding than Court in the Act, production-wise, in my opinion. They really found a good balance when they came back of keeping it raw but being a lot clearer and less messy-sounding than their classic debut. Even the earlier demo stuff sounds better than that record in my opinion. But that's Neat Records for you.

[@markc.2824]

Probably at end of this genre but Savage, Grim Reaper, Avenger must almost be in this mix....

[@treff9226]

Savage was excellent! Loose And Lethal is ACES!🎸🎸🎸

[@dankoochin8143]

Diamond Head fits in this group of bands too

[@guadalahonky4002]

'Am I Evil?' is the anthem of NWOBHM for me. It's like baroque metal.

[@pvdguitars2951]

To forget Diamond Head and Jaguar in this discussion is just unthinkable!!!

[@franciskocher200]

Girlschool + Demon 👍

[@charlesbaker3969]

It's a fun idea, but unfortunately, the NWoBHM was not a movement characterised by albums, and as such, this episode suffered. Moreover, people tend to characterise scenes/movements with relation to their big bands, which is not the case for the NWoBHM. Your average band around 1980 sounded very little like Leppard, Sykes era Tygers, or even Maiden's debut. Rather, they were more likely to sound like Vardis, Samson, or perhaps Raven if they were ramping up the tempo. It's also odd to hear someone say that a Halford style high pitches vocalist was a hallmark when you were just as likely, if not more, to get someone channelling Phil Mogg. If you wanted to be right at the core of the wheel, you'd probably whack Turn the Hell On there or maybe Wild Cat. Cool show nonetheless, and a discussion of those canonical singles would make for a good episode!

[@ariekanarie6660]

I like the British sound; raw and pure, almost demo like where you can hear the tone of instruments, amps and maybe even some of the environment. I don't understand why an album has to have that kind of produced or even bombastic sound to have "great production". Maybe that's more of an American thing where nwobhm ends; bands or people behind them trying to break the US. That being said, for me early Saxon up to and including the first live album (1979-1982) is on top of the list!

[@keithshapland903]

Interesting discussion on a great musical period which I was fully involved with it here in England. And yes, where are Saxon???..they were the epitome of NWOBHM in the UK along with Maiden.. Motorhead were not NWOBHM..and Gillan no way as He was already an established artist. I never bought Tokyo Blade, ...but for me not in same league as Wheels of Steel. Raven were also fantastic.

[@chrismoyse3529]

Nothing more NWOBHM than Diamond Head