The NEXT-GEN of Rally Sim Has NOT Arrived...

[@kaPaURL]

I have a grandma in a 2006 Yaris and she does a lot of counter steering after her sick handbrake pulls.

[@themuffincat]

your grandma should be a rally driver

[@potatogirlcultist19]

Based Grandma

[@The_Amateur_Hour]

Having a hardcore mode that ticks the sim box for most sim racers would be great, while having a default mode for maximum accessibility for the general public.

[@werdpc]

They do have a hard-core damage option. Whatever that means exactly. I will definitely be playing with that on. But even that mode was pretty forgiving in dirt rally 2. I hope they amped it up some in this game. We will see.

[@jendabekCZ]

Not worth the investment for them.

[@werdpc]

@jendabekCZ maybe not. Seems like it would be easy to just turn that stuff up though. But I'm no game developer.

[@jendabekCZ]

@@werdpc A game must be developed differently from the very beginning if you want it to be a simulation.

[@werdpc]

@jendabekCZ absolutely. I'm just speaking in terms of the damage. Like still using the same damage physics/model. Just turning up the sensitivity, So it would take less of an impact to accrue that damage. Thus making it more realistic.

[@TSRB]

I've been speaking with EA about the physics. They're adamant the physics are simulation, and there's a possibility that there was something wrong with my game, such as a bug that didn't fully disable all of the assists. Although I did reinstall the game 3 times, and nothing changed. If it was a bug, they haven't been able to replicate it in the release version of the game, so a follow up video on the physics may be in order... Anyway, I hope you enjoyed the other 3/4s of the video where I wasn't complaining about the physics 🤣

[@tomasmenezes3683]

Please let it be a bug lord.

[@mgrib3594]

After playing some RBR, it's now painful for me to see people rallying in this game. All this snap-oversteers (especially, on loss surfaces) just look wrong, especially if driver didn't pressed brake pedal at all. It seems like cars have very little inertion from side view.

[@Trench_Rock]

Sounds to me like EA slapped you on the wrist for telling the truth lol the game looks good but its not your fault if it doesnt feel good.

[@sportschool3537]

@@mgrib3594 Then go back to the "realistic" RBR that is perfect due to your professional opinion about how a rally car should feel and rally in those horrific graphics... meanwhile we'll have fun in a fantastic 2023 game with licensed WRC cars and a great career mode to win the WRC championship... ok hipster??? Leave us in our pain... we fucking love it!!!!

[@TSRB]

@@Trench_Rock I can say whatever I want tbf. There's a human at EA, they're not just some mindless mega corporation drones 🤣 If they believe the physics are simulation, so much that they themselves would write it in the marketing materials, I'm gonna take that seriously 🤷‍♂

[@schmid1.079]

7:10 Huh? Neither Dirt Rally had a particularly harsh damage model. Just a few moments prior you said that only launching yourself full speed into a tree causes DNF in WRC, which is exactly the same as in Dirt Rally, so what is it now?

[@b.1570]

Funny how the original DiRT series before DiRT Rally had a much more detailed damage models even the glass can't be shattered into pieces in DR1

[@daivdninjabiomech7888]

I have lost actual wheels in the original dirt rally

[@TheDrLeviathan]

He meant older DiRT games in general. The series is about 20 years old, predating even Richard Burns Rally. DiRT was actually Colin McCrae's Dirt originally (I think, idk if McCrae was added later, it's literally been 20 years), though they changed the name a while after he died (iirc, it wasn't immediate).

[@kenneyaf]

There have been so many other videos contradicting the first minute of this one that it's hard to believe who has the most objective opinion, frankly.

[@Arnechk]

Aim inbetween. Modern WRC gravel grip, or 2000's with the active diffs might be a lot in comparison to default RBR sliding on ice. However, judging by IRL footage, these cars can grip laterally pretty well, BUT ground irl gives in, hence the wall of the tire does more work. Gravel in RBR feels pretty same-y, except the shape and contour of the road itself, but that is another matter. Both games have similar issues, but devs decided to approach it from different angles. Not until a game calculates physics on the fly at least like LFS or more appropriately - BeamNG (rip CPU), and the road surface is meticulously handmade with potholes of different materials, softness, weather effects etc. to mimic real roads, will we get something like a realistic rally simulation. In the end it depends on what you want from the game. I would buy WRC for the F2 cars, but since I don't like the way physics work, I am completely content with a 24 year old Rally Championship 2000. Same cars, long tracks and the physics are also whack. But the atmosphere is there, even more intimate and focused compared to WRC which has everything but in bite size shunks, spread out thin.

[@dedrox3d491]

Make sure if they are sponsered or not. This guy is not sponsered. It's honesty

[@MaxineOnGasoline]

I like this take, it seems it's a common thing most of the youtubers agree on. This is a licenced edition of Dirt Rally 3.0, improved in most of its aspects, but it's still not the full simulation. I don't mind it really, it seems that the tarmac grip issue has been resolved. It's not pure simulation but it seems very, very enjoyable and in a long run, with a game like this, that's what matters. Gonna enjoy this I think.

[@socks2441]

He literally explained why it was worse than dirt rally 2.0 in the first two minutes. So ig is absolutely not dirt rally 3.0 with wrc cars. It's more like an easier more accessible dirt rally. So a dirt rally 0.5 with wrc cars would be more accurate.

[@PPC4]

​@@socks2441it looks like all they've done over DR2 is make the suspension more compliant (read actually doing something) and boost the graphics a smidge and add the latest WRC cars. It still seems to have the terrible steering from DR2, the infuriating yawing cars when you turn in and the one size fits all grip that seems to only change with speed and not terrain let alone within a stage.

[@maurilio2005]

@@socks2441 it's probably closer to the main DiRT games than Rally

[@pedinhuh16]

This is worse than Dirt Rally 2.0 in pretty much everyway, it's like you didn't even watched the video.

[@Arnechk]

Ahh yes, straight line 150 km/h yaw, because we loved it in CMR1, 2, 3, 4, 5 etc., we will love it today. Suspension being softer does jack shit when the tires have their own dimension of physics. Jesus fk. @@PPC4

[@AppleTaco]

best preview video. Honest and fun , i think you have just sold the game to me even when showing the negative stuff. Fan of WRC Generations damage/wear and how it affects the driving, looks like we still have something similar here. Hoping it is better

[@Chiquelhotdb]

And that's a good thing because most people don't play simulators, they just want a good engaging game

[@polar_inertia]

no it's boring. when you play a rally game you expect rally physics. also they advertised it as a simulation

[@Trench_Rock]

if its too easy it wont be engaging enough to sim players. I enjoy the challenge that is the main reason I play rally sims. The higher the skill ceiling the more progress you feel as you get better. This looks like dirt 2.0. It looks good but i would prob play all the tracks a couple times then get bored of the way the driving feels.

[@atlasdev]

When they market it as a simulation... It's going to grab the attention of sim players. When it doesn't live up to those standards, people get pissed and disappointed.

[@Trench_Rock]

@@atlasdev That isnt anyones fault other than the game devs if they market a game as a sim and dont deliver on it. If they want to make a game for people to play with a controller then fine, but if they are marketing a game that is meant to use a steering wheel and pedals then why half-ass the physics? I want the car to feel like a car because that is the entire "experience" the game has to offer.

[@tessierrr]

Its a sim just not a full blown one like you guys always expect from a big dev 😂 theyre trying to sell games not please you 😆

[@cedricdelille6014]

I feel like RBR encaptured the best what a rally driver has to do, but WRC encaptures best what it feels like to be a rally driver. It still gives you a challenge but you feel awesome driving through the stages with speed only a real rally driver would be able to achieve.

[@IPlayKindred]

Sim racer discovers games

[@TheCaffeinatedDrive]

Sim racer discovers game marketed as sim*

[@IPlayKindred]

@@TheCaffeinatedDriveother sim racer discovers marketing is a glass house of lies and has an existential crises .

[@-IE_it_yourself]

yeah we dont want games... there are plenty of them, the option was always there, just wanted to make a sim

[@goodlookinouthomie1757]

From what I've seen it's not a great simulation, but it is going to scratch the itch that sim racers have when they just want a bit of arcadey fun but still want to use their Fanatec gear.

[@Trench_Rock]

Might as well use a playstation 2 controller for this lmao Whats the point of using the wheel when u get no ffb for slips ect

[@m4dalex478]

@@Trench_Rock Ι have watched many reviews including Jardier and Jimmy Broadbent.. The game definitely has proper feedback, at least as good as DR2. What he said about FFB is BS.

[@TSRB]

@@m4dalex478 There's proper force feedback, just not great feedback for suspension or tyres. Everything else is spot on and very immersive, as I said later on in the video.

[@simonoregan4744]

@@Trench_Rock You sound like someone who cant afford a wheel and pedals. If you have an option to race a car with a controller or a wheel is pretty much a no brainer

[@simonoregan4744]

@@m4dalex478 I find Jimmy to be pretty reliable. He seldom sugar coats things.

[@sachabourdeau358]

I now have reasonable but good expectations for this, hopefully they have more time to expand on the simulation in the next one.

[@rob.ale90]

"next one"....i would expect this to be milked for at least 5 years

[@skyhunter996]

They won't, it's an ea, they will milk this one the same as fifa

[@travis2222]

Thanks for being straight forward with us. So many content creators are over hyping this to game as a sim. Not sure if EA makes people lose their minds or what. That said the game will be fun for the right crowd just like Forza is.

[@m4dalex478]

He is talking BS. I do not understand why he chose to "trash" this game like that. The FFB, the tarmac and the damage model are going to be better than DR2. If that is not a sim in his eyes then he is the most biased reviewer I have watched so far. Get lost in RBR for another decade I guess.

[@antonsamuelsson1317]

This is a preview that with the steering wheel is a bug For example

[@Skumtomten1]

​@@m4dalex478Lol did it hurt your feelings? Just look at the replays and compare RBR to any Codemaster game. It's pretty obvious RBR is far more realistic and has proper weight/inertia and movement unlike the Codemaster games. That doesn't mean their games can't be fun, but RBR is still the best and most advanced rally sim.

[@m4dalex478]

@@Skumtomten1 I also consider RBR to offer the best simulation, that was not my point. Trashing this title on purpose for 2 minutes, is biased and dishonest. This is the only review that has done so and I do not believe it was an honest review, so I called it out. Everyone is saying that this is better than DR, yet here we are watching a video comparing physics and FFB to Forza Horizon...

[@GDUBMX]

maybe, just maybe he's being honest and the mass "influencers" are just going through the motions of bigging it up? RallyTechnical has been the most blatant so far with his comments when asked if its more a sim or arcade/simcade: @RALLYTechnical "Sim! RBR modded ain't got nothing on EA Sports WRC. It's way better than DR2.0. Light years ahead of KT's WRC games. It's the game we have all been waiting for."@@m4dalex478 make of that what you will, i certainly dont buy it until i try it. however, i think it will still be fun but honesty is hard to come by today

[@portableportal]

''you constantly have to be on the throttle to keep the turbo spooling'' No you don't, you have to keep the revs high going into tight corners to keep the turbo from stalling that is the difference. please don't make any assumptions when you have not played the first 2 games in the dirt rally series and don't know how to drive the cars ingame.

[@TSRB]

please don't make any assumptions when you don't know what games I've played

[@portableportal]

​@@TSRB Well if you played the games, as you insinuate. you would have formed a different opinion. going on your words alone tells me you either have not thought this through properly or you have not played the games at all.

[@TSRB]

@@portableportal You said you need to keep the revs high, I said I do that by staying on the throttle a lot. I'm sorry I drive the car differently to you.

[@portableportal]

@@TSRB well your answer proves my point, you have no clue what you are doing or talking about.

[@markrigg6623]

No video game " simulates" driving. Its all down to interpretation. Just enjoy these games for what they are.

[@wotever99ninynine]

enjoy it for what it is... arcade? well since i dont enjoy arcade how am i supposed to enjoy it for what it is? especially since its the sequel of dirt rally 2, it advertises itself as a simulation. so i am not supposed to be bothered by that? this was going to be dirt rally 3, now it is an ea sports arcade game for the masses.

[@markrigg6623]

@wotever99ninynine It's all "arcade". !!!! I racing, Assetto Corsa, whatever, it's all arcade. Just your interpretation of what feels fun to you.

[@wotever99ninynine]

it cannot all be equally arcade. i get your point that its open to interpretation.. but no, the more realistic it is, the more it veers on the side of simulation, the less realistic the more it veers on the side of arcade. these terms already exist and have a definition, you cannot redefine them.if you wanted to argue that they are all just 'games' i can see your point. they are irrefutably all just games. but games are not all arcade.@@markrigg6623

[@afdelta0120]

This is a perfect example how a good racing game doesnt need realistic simulation, but a realistic feel. Difficulty, and equally as notable challenge over strict sim elements. Codi's F1 games prove this.

[@socks2441]

I would agree if we were still getting a seperate dirt rally 3 along with a generic easy wrc game for the masses. But we are not. So if this game doesn't at least match dr2 in physics, then it's a damn tragedy with no future for semi realistic rally games.

[@CoreyKearney]

Right that's what people don't get, it needs to feel real within the constraints of what your playing on. Full realism while missing the necessary sensory inputs is just punishing. The g-force, the movement, etc. There's a joke in Hollywood that applies here, Someone once asked a director why they were painting horses to look like cows? The answer was, simple, cows don't look like cows on screen.

[@afdelta0120]

@@socks2441 theres gonna be new dirt rallies whether ppl like it or not in long. DR2 did too well to not be attempted again.

[@socks2441]

dirt rally was replaced with the wrc games now that they have the license. there is not much reason for them to try and make the same game twice, one with the license and one without. .@@afdelta0120

[@randomfaca]

@@afdelta0120 Dirt Rally's existence was because Codemasters never had the official WRC licence. Now that they have it I very much doubt they'll go away from it.

[@Alex-xg8py]

I just want Phil MIlls back......I will continue to use Dirt Rally 2.0 as a result of his brilliance in that game

[@Mark_BLN]

Was there an error in the upload or was it intended that the video end so abruptly?

[@alejandromontoyavel]

Im from the future is year 2050 and we still stuckd in PS4 graphics...

[@JonB83]

I like when people that have never driven in a rally tell me how unrealistic a rally game is. But anyhow.

[@TSRB]

I like when commenters that have never played the game make massive, baseless assumptions

[@jsade]

If it looks wrong, it is wrong. That's how physics works.

[@portableportal]

@@TSRB you never played dirt rally 1 or 2, and if you did you have a verry narrow understanding of the physics or how to drive the cars ingame

[@TheCaffeinatedDrive]

You don’t need to ya muppet

[@GeeCeeAte]

The stages suckkk. No variation. There’s about 4 total assets per stage. And one road texture. The stages are EXACTLY like DR2. While DR2 is 100% my favorite game of all time, I figured the devs would take a note or two from the old WRC devs and make actual interesting stages

[@sebastianzarek7056]

I hope they're gonna add different versions of damage model, at least like in DR2.0, as in DR2.0 You can choose between "normal" and "hardcore" damage, with normal being practically no damage, and hardcore being still very forgiving and unrealistic, but it tries at least. I hope WRC will have a more proper damage model added, if not in WRC 23, maybe in WRC 24?

[@mesasartworks]

Dirt Rally 20. has not got enough grip especially on tarmac. (KT's WRC has more grip on tarmac and less on dirt) IRL the awd cars (my experiences based on driving a frog-eye Subaru Impreza STI Gr .N car) has massively more grip on gravel than in any game released, even in RBR if you did the right tyre choice, and the cars brakes surprisingly harder than yaou can feel in any game, because of the fact pushed loose surface ahead of the tyre can help to slow the car better I had no chance to try EA WRC yet, and i just hope i will not shocked about the grip levels comes with it. Keepin my fingers crossed, and still playing RBR as many free times i can get

[@sten360]

That was an abrupt ending, I thought my youtube player crashed for a moment lmao

[@samiraperi467]

AFAIK rally cars have crazy steering assist. It's not so much about feel as not killing your arms doing the stages.

[@TitaniusAnglesmith]

Do you mean power steering? That won't straighten the wheels, just make it easier to spin the wheel

[@LukiR33]

If it is at least at DR2 level than I'm happy. Can't wait to play proper WRC career with real locations and modern visuals. I'd rather claw my eyes out than look at RBR graphics for another minute 😂 I have like 500+ hours in it...

[@buttorr]

the visuals dont come close to DR2 sadly praying the next one can be like DR2

[@nexusdog]

Co-driver: 'Wtf am I doing here?'

[@102ndsmirnov7]

That was a really abrupt ending lol. But a great video!

[@fullsendsimracing]

When it comes to rally games the phrase "you can't have your cake and eat it too" comes to mind. If it's a real sim it's so niche that there'd be barely any people driving it. That's why every single rally title apart from RBR is adjusted for the averga user to not rage quit after 3 restarts. Same for this one. Shame that they go above and beyond to convince us its a real sim

[@TMGaming]

Great video mate, probably the best rally game we've had in a while, becoming the best of both worlds (DiRT Rally and WRC). Can't wait to try and livestream it, unfortunately I can't call myself a youtuber anymore so I didn't have the blessing of the early access 😂 But you've made the best video on the early acces version so far, I've learned everything I wanted to know about the game!

[@clintbeacock7663]

Thanks for going in-depth (ish) into the damage model and crash repercussions. I wish it were far more unforgiving (I wish that for DR2.0 as well, and it sounds like this is even more forgiving) I understand that it's probably a blast if that's the kind of game you want out of it, but I really wish they'd add a 'hardcore' mode or something that doesn't let you drive on in circumstances that would be race (or career/life) ending. As it is, probably not for me, but I hope it does well, as it looks amazing for what it is meant to be

[@De-M-oN]

Removed Automatic car reset when you fall down a cliff and preventing all the damage would be a first start. That was bs in DR

[@ZX3000GT1]

I think the biggest issue is thinking that wasting that extra time and putting more dev cost to making sure it’s a hardcore simulation with proper damage and physics is justified when there are only a subset of people that even cared for them, vs the most people that don’t even care how the window glass break or how the grip is too much. Doesn’t make sense to cater to then niche and putting more dev time and cost when most people don’t even care about that.

[@clintbeacock7663]

I hear you, but I think it could be feasible to add a hardcore mode. Not a physics overhaul, but rather more like cranking a damage slider all the way to the max, and disabling car resets, and of course any driving aids. I may end up getting this anyways. It does look like great fun, and the stages look amazing.

[@bigglyguy8429]

@@ZX3000GT1 People don't even care... yet there's a 20 year old game fans love so much they mod it themselves and it's superior to this 'new' game?

[@ZX3000GT1]

@@bigglyguy8429 Fans doesn't mean most people lol. Sales revenue of RBR was much lower than much less realistic but much more popular rally games like Colin McRae or PS2 WRC games. Hell, I'm sure Sega Rally Revo sells more than RBR and that's literally a pure arcade rally game. I think you missed my point - it's not about how is it still having a following decades after release. It's about revenue, popularity, sales figures - basically what for profit companies care for. It's great to dream, but the reality is most publishers would never put money into a game that will only attract a subset of players. That's why we're seeing this and not Dirt Rally 3.0 or something like that.

[@zwenkwiel816]

we need dirt rally 3.0

[@s4uss]

This is that game, just with stutters and worse graphics xD

[@c3meilleurevoituredumonde]

It has been cancelled by EA for this game sadly

[@socks2441]

​@@s4ussand worse physics

[@RST9413]

Enought with this arcade bullshit

[@TheSchnitzelable]

RBR has been mentioned countless times trough out the years of WRC and Dirt evolutions. I can't imagine myslef ignoring this 20yo game while developing a new title... but they've ignored it and here we are... It could really become the new standard for this genre.

[@waltlock8805]

RBR has become a religion. Believe it or not, modern rally cars are designed to be responsive. Anything that feels "different" is deemed to be "wrong". Btw, even "full on sims" like iRacing and Asseto Corsa gamify many of the physics. Games will never be pure simulators.

[@TheSchnitzelable]

@@waltlock8805 True sometimes I feel like we are the problem constantly chasing realism. I used to have a blast in CMR 2.0 on PS1 with a gamepad and it was amazing :D I've tried to ignore RBR until today when I installed it and immediately felt like this is right it should feel like this. I watch a lot of real rally god bless the hungarians who fill the stages with amazingly built Ladas. I used to drift my swaped E30 and learned to drive in a trabant and later got a lada when I was like 11 I drove only on dirt roads my whole childhood. I'm saving up for another car but it's so expensive to do rally even on amateur level for my own pleasure. So I've assembled a cheapo sim rig till I get into a proper car but this sim racing is so amazing it taught me a lot about car handling. I'm looking for a piece of land to buy to make something like a stage if I won't be able to build a car with homologation parts and race. I wrote to kunos if they could finally beat this 20yo RBR and set a new standard for rally sim after they released AC2 this could be a nice challenge for them.

[@-IE_it_yourself]

well said. why would i pay 300bucks plus for a sim set up just to drive an arcade game... i dont get this, "you dont really want a sim" ... YES! ! DO!

[@Redslayer86]

I can't feel it obviously from a video, but it looks a lot like DR 2.0 Which if it is, I'm happy. Game wasn't perfect, but I had a lot of fun with it.

[@socks2441]

It looks more like wrc to me. It has way too much grip to be taken seriously as a successor to dirt rally

[@gdshark9558]

So what I’m getting from your review is that it’s good game it’s just not a pure rally sim like they’re claiming it is?

[@gsed29]

See the criticism here is on point, i could probably agree with all of your arguments if I could have the game installed, but you have to remember the game is still a work in progress, so hopefully the things you have mentioned will be fixed/patched sooner or later

[@sebastianzarek7056]

You're the first big youtuber that points these problems out. My local, less than 2k subs youtuber pointed exactly the same problems, and he's in sim racing 99% For rallying.

[@skabaisgurkis3159]

There's 2 more things i would like to see in rally games where 1 isn't even in 1 rally game so 1st- actually cars on road when u are faster than the previous one to learn an acctual takeover in rally(was implimented in colin mcrea rally 2 or 3) 2nd Actual road damage after buch of cars passed trough stage and digged up the tracks like a potatoe field( none have this but would be imersive to drive an r2 car in such tracks and feel the realism there aswell) And mybe a bonuss that might be really hard to impliment is actual gravel movement from tires in corners atleast.

[@BamaMike7187]

.......This game has stage degradation.......which means the roads get worse as the event goes on. So if your car 90 out of 150 then youll be racing on a rutted course, if your car 1 then youll be racing on a fresh course! Do some research!

[@skabaisgurkis3159]

​@@BamaMike7187it's only phisical like in dirt rally 2.0 not visual and still far from truth of actual depth of tracks in gravel

[@kostinho790]

Your music selection on this video is IMPECCABLE. Kudos to you m8!

[@mostwanted2kay]

This game is a great simcade to put WRC back on the map. It's been too long since WRC got a good game with hype behind it.

[@SimracerKlausi]

7:22 perfect words for rally🎉 I love a good old yeeee haaaa after a thrilling section i did flat out 😂

[@ennxxea]

Thanks for you good review but what would you say is the better rally simulation in terms of realism and overall feeling.. Wrc 2023 or Dirt rallye 2.0

[@ElShogoso]

As a gamepad player, I'm glad it isn't on the same ballpark as RBR. I don't really want a perfect simulation, I just want to play pretend rally driver.

[@Skumtomten1]

RBR was made for console as well, it has amazing gamepad customization on pc. It is a myth that you need a steering wheel for that game. It plays way better than any Codemaster game, even with a gamepad.

[@nindschaYT]

That's a cap. No where I can be as fast in RBR v DR with gamepad. @@Skumtomten1

[@wotever99ninynine]

thats incredibly selfish of you. dirt rally and rbr were still playable on a controller. and since this is technically supposed to be the sequel to dirt rally 2, just now with the wrc license. its not very fair for it to be dumbed down to people like you that never played the prequels. you can make a sim playable on gamepad, but you cannot make an arcade game playable on a wheel. there are no assists to make arcade games more realistic, but there are assists to make hard games easier.

[@nindschaYT]

bro woke up and chose violence@@wotever99ninynine

[@radityaindera3442]

Is the physics an upgrade from the 2.0 though? Seems like it's not?

[@randomfaca]

The good thing about modern games is that developers can get to within 85-90% of the realistic feel while having all the bells and whistles of an AAA title. The F1 games are the perfect example of this. The problem with F1 has always been the yearly release schedule - it remains to be seen whether this will be an issue for WRC - Codemasters have different dev teams on F1 and on their rally games.

[@marekkos3513]

Great video.WRC will be the best racing game of the year , thats fo sure !.Cant wait

[@fkykas]

Well replays look better than dirt rally, it even looks like with some tweaking the physics could be quite realistic

[@DctrBread]

i mean for the marketing to so aggressively tout the simulated detail in the game, yes I do indeed expect a high-fidelity and generalist model under the hood. In the end, it's a game that's almost all about driving. Not saying that they couldn't make a game that had more to it than just a great model under the hood, but that isn't the game we're looking at, these games are about pure driving. If I was looking at a game that had you building a project car, showing up to the rally, navigating between stages, co-driving for your friends and doing recce runs together, getting room and board with your team, and gameplay around repairs and mechanical upkeep, for instance, then I would quite forgive an overly simplistic handling model

[@toshidaboshi]

I love DR2.0 because it's such an awesome rally experience too! So I expect I will love this game even more. Racing games is about the fantasy of being a racing driver for me. Also even though I wish it was a bit more punishing especially with all assists off, it's not like it's exactly easy to master. It's a fantasy, an expetience and a challenge. I can't wait!

[@codeonion]

Try richard burns rally and you will know how awesome of a rally sim it is

[@toshidaboshi]

@@codeonion I have trivd it. Rally Sim Fans versjon ofc :)

[@Guerilla_G]

It still uses the code mastered centre pivot physics model so no way it can be a sim

[@LBPreviews]

I see videos like this, but then I see videos by real rally drivers who say EA WRC feels very similar to the real thing.

[@W4ZEL]

Wait, actual RBR enthusiasts seriously expected EA and Codemasters to match the simulation aspects of RBR in a WRC game ? Of course it was never going to be replacing RBR lmao, it will still be extremely fun and much more approchable than RBR could ever possibly be, and in my opinion, that's not a bad thing by a long shot.

[@GDUBMX]

and us RBR modded fans still get to play RBR modded and EA WRC :)

[@socks2441]

It's a very bad thing for dirt rally or rbr fans. A good thing for casual wrc players

[@W4ZEL]

@@socks2441 lmao in what world is that a bad thing ? It's not like those games suddenly disappear as soon as this one releases.

[@wotever99ninynine]

he is right actually. if you didnt know dirt rally 3 was cancelled and renamed ea sports wrc after codemasters obtained the wrc license and ea obtained codemasters. there likely wont be another dirt rally game at least until their license contract expires. if ever. you are correct that rbr will still exist though of course.@@W4ZEL

[@W4ZEL]

@@wotever99ninynine It's just a name ... This is literally what Dirt Rally 3 would have been, except it has official WRC cars and stages. Is that such a bad thing ?

[@kennythemeat]

i dont see a lot of progression in racing games. the drivers look like glued to the seats and they barely move. in terms of wrc games i still stick to the second one.

[@DavyGy]

you cannot expect something like Richard burns rally from a commercial title bruh

[@joshradcliff4301]

You have to throw the car into the turn and then countersteer. You have to load the front tires and then throw the car.. you have to rally race. Please..

[@socks2441]

Yip If this had decent physics, that is true. But ig clearly doesn't work in this game. From watching videos ig appears the damn things on rails

[@nollienick1121]

Right. Dude was just slamming the throttle into a turn. No movement.

[@xcel1130]

A lot of people including a lot of viewers and commenters I see here. Don’t seem to understand that a full simulation rally game simply is not profitable. It’s too niche to make enough money for it to be worth it. Big companies like EA/and WRC for that matter at the end of the day need to hit a mark and make money. I’ve said before and I’ll say it again. A “next gen rbr” isn’t going to come from a major studio. But rather a product of passion. As any true rally simulation would be a money pit and likely have no licensing low end sounds. Less the great optimization etc. there’s trade offs that have to be made. Be happy we are getting anything at all.

[@jacquesjtheripper5922]

Too bad it seems farther from a sim now. Also, the collisions arent so good, sometimes driving over a bigger gravel is like hitting a wall, And when hitting a weak fence, fence doesnt even break..

[@zandergrahamz]

Thank you for choosing my country Kenya as a good example..you should visit for the actual rally😅🇰🇪🇰🇪

[@DoWorkNP]

So youre saying its a dumbed down dirt rally? Well that sucks and is terrible. Since i think most of us were hoping it would be atleast a little more sim than the dirt rally games lol. Youre the first sim racing uoutuber who has said this so I guess we will see. Hopefully the game comes to gamepass so i can try for free first. Or maybe the EA thing.

[@socks2441]

He's the first one being honest, but basically all the others implied the same things if you listen carefully to their word choice.

[@LiljamezZz]

tbh beamng has been my go to car game rn idk what it is cause i've always loved the game for years since it was in demo but ever since i've got my laptop to start working properly the only car game i've wanted to play is beamng and its extremely fun even though im on controller but im not gonna act like i've gained some skills on the sticks from playing a ton of assetto corsa on controller 😄

[@szymonski1905]

Putting „The Chain” in the best bit was awesome 🤘🏼

[@sw1tchu]

Really underwhelmed by the damage model tbh. RBR always keeps me at the edge of my seat (even if sometimes the cars are a bit too easy to break completely), knowing that a single mistake can make you DNF.

[@TSRB]

Hearing "i think the gearbox is broken" after lightly tapping a tree with your bumper isn't the one icl

[@rocksen9283]

Ah yes, the RBR damage model where losing the radiator still keeps the engine cool as long as you have a working water pump. And hay bales crunching your gearbox when bumped at 10 kph

[@sw1tchu]

​@@TSRB Oh yeah for sure, RBR is falling on the other side of the horse a lot, I know the feeling of losing my engine after hitting an unnaturally hard bush. I just wish it would be somewhere between that and what I've seen in the videos so far, maybe some variety with more type of mechanical faults, a bit more detailed body/chassis damage etc. There could be like an extra difficulty setting to make it more punishing than this or something. Will definitely try out the game though!

[@sw1tchu]

@@rocksen9283 Ayo, I'm not saying that make the damage model exactly like RBR, but rather make a better damage model than RBR & DiRT to be punishing, but fair at low speeds. It's a 20 year old game at this point full of janky things. The reason I brought it up is because if I yeet my car at 100 km/h+ into a forest full of trees, or if I roll my car straight into a rock face, I shouldn't be able to continue most of the time imo

[@rocksen9283]

@@sw1tchu I feel like the first Dirt game (and I mean the first Dirt, not Dirt Rally) had the best and in-depth damage model. You had at least 12 parts that could be damaged or get worn and it was punishing like you described. Australian stages would wear your radiator and water pump more, bumpier stages would wear the dampers more, it was awesome. I wish such an in-depth damage system would return. The closest we've got is RBR which can damage said components if the setup of your car is not done right, but the first Colin McRae Dirt was perfect

[@_Woodhouse_]

As a broke filthy casual who will play this game on a gamepad, im not torn up about this game not being a sim. DR 2.0 played exceptional on gamepad and if this feels anything like that then ill be satisfied.

[@Hero_Of_Old]

People get too bogged down in 'ItS nOt a sIM wahhh". Happens with every codies game. Gets tiresome tbh.

[@drazenbudis7881]

Well yeah, thats the point, you *will* be satisfied because you are the target audience for such a game and thats awesome. The problem arises however when the studio and their PR machine paint the picture of this being an actual sim - and it isnt.

[@nollienick1121]

@@drazenbudis7881it’s fine. Just because you can’t feel the bugs hitting the windscreen doesn’t mean it’s trash.

[@nollienick1121]

@@Hero_Of_Olddude they are legit in tears. I’m looking forward to it sense it’s just got some cool features I want to try.

[@waltlock8805]

@@drazenbudis7881Here's a hint: If you can play it on PC or console, it isn't an actual sim. They ALL gamify the physics.

[@1101-f6z]

Ah, Mr. Breikcaar's legend continues.

[@EazyDuz18]

sounds like a casuals take, probably doesnt even have a DD wheel or aluminium profile cockpit.

[@TSRB]

I hope this is sarcasm

[@RreiiskaRacing]

Every car game should have option to choose sim or arcade and people would be happy, it's not that much fun to play with wheel if driving feels like legendary sega rally :D

[@waltlock8805]

If you're playing on a PC or console, you're playing a game, not a sim.

[@RreiiskaRacing]

@@waltlock8805 Assetto Corsa is considered as a simulator and that is why it is my choise for racing and drifting

[@waltlock8805]

@@RreiiskaRacing It's still not close to a true sim. Physics in all the titles are gamified.

[@RreiiskaRacing]

​@@waltlock8805 You drive much to say so? If I compare it to IRL experiences it comes as close to simulation as possible. What would you claim is better simulation?

[@waltlock8805]

@@RreiiskaRacing It's probably the closest you'll get. My point is that all the titles make compromises here and there. I'm hoping WRC delivers - so far I've seen lots of mixed reviews. We'll see what the actual launch and inevitable day one patch brings us.

[@tonymunford5804]

Looks good enough for me and can’t wait . Played nearly every Rally game there’s been from ps1 to 5 and skipping out 4. But cars have changed heaps over the years and gameplay along with it .

[@CBadger]

But all the Dirt 2.0 bumders were saying this was going to be the best Simulator ever made and shot down anyone who said it'd be F1 23: Rally DLC. But at least it's not trash, so there is that.

[@socks2441]

It is trash

[@bilian234]

Bro jumpscared me with that sudden end

[@teleport96]

What the F with graphics.... I just cannot understand that.

[@krdjmtc]

Is RBR the only rally sim available?

[@chopsuey4698]

In terms of realistic physics, there's also asseto corsa + mods (only on asphalt) and especially beamng drive... but it's not comparable to a game dedicated to rally with the career mode, co-driver etc...

[@robertrossi9364]

This is the best video ive seen on this game and addresses everything i care about.

[@xom.]

the game makes you really feel like batman

[@tpc54]

Great review. Surprised you don't have more subscribers!

[@antoine9765]

Already a respectable number for such niche hobby, but I agree this was the best WRC preview so far.

[@nindschaYT]

Imagine getting the game from EA to promote it, then talk shit about it what a legend

[@socks2441]

He's a good lad

[@민-s8m]

this was best video about new wrc game. Thank you!!

[@Rambowjo2]

Your vid ended so abruptly I thought something was wrong with YT.

[@quitw4392]

Looks like a fun game. The review confused me because everyone is saying something else. But it's all subjective opinion and I was wondering what you would say.

[@bobuiux]

it pleases me as a WRC fan, and deeply disappoints me as a rally sim enthusiast

[@WildApple_OP-Plays]

Interesting. The newest (coming) 2023/2024 rally game has a crowd, that is only standing there as you crash into the fence and wood column... oh and not to speak, the wooden column doesn't break, the fence is rock solid. This was not the case with the first and second (Colin Mcrae) DiRT games. They were more advanced in that regards. And that was 16 years ago for CM DiRT 1 (released 2007) and/or 14 years for (CM) DiRT 2 (released 2009). Oh and not to forget: when the car crashed into a tree in Colin Mcrae Rally 2005, leaves were falling down. Here in EA Sports WRC 2023, everything looks dead.

[@waltlock8805]

They're not going to let you kill people in a rally game...

[@coulthard1984]

​@waltlock8805 what are you talking about dude

[@somecallmetim42]

This is a really good take on EA's WRC and it does look like a lot us us will be very disappointed by it not haven't realistic driving physics but it still sounds like it will be fun to play. The driving physics issues are explained quite well here:- kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5-xgp-EfNCmf9ksi=D-Go7BkOr8TR26pf It's real shame as if they'd had at least got the driving right it would have been just awesome. Now if only EA had pharmed out the physics and damage model development to the BeamNG team then we'd have a true successor to RBR.

[@gseric4721]

This sounds like _Video Game Central_ in the handling physics department 😭😭😭😭

[@totalhydration5240]

bad news Dirt Rally fans, Colin McRae Rally came out 25 years ago (you all are old)

[@excite.winters]

Get off my lawn

[@wotever99ninynine]

get off my lawn too while you are at it.

[@portableportal]

jokes on you bucko

[@mondodimotori]

I mean, it's a branded sport game, of course it would've been, more like the F1 series, a simcade. I actually don't remember claims about the "quintessential rally sim" in official marketing. Looks more like a people expectation because it was worked by the same people responsible for "Dirt Rally" 1 and 2, forgetting they also made the Colin Mcrae Rally series (followed by the Dirt series) wich it was, in fact, much more arcade. Thus we should've expected an officially licensed CMR game, and I expected that. If the game delivers that, I'm more than happy.

[@Donnyboyjr]

So what is the best rally sim game?

[@daveyishere55]

I'm actually quite happy it seems more accesibke 😅

[@stuplays6632]

Are you using a G923 with TRUEFORCE? That's the real deal.... even though drive wheels are better for force TRUEFORCE is incredible for vibrations and weightshift... hardly any games support it but I can tell ya... Dirt 2.0 and both assetto's have it enabled and they are the most immersive driving experiences I have felt! It's nuts!! WRC supports it and I can't wait for early access to drop lol And I have a Rift S and WRC is VR Dirt 2.0 was so good in VR I found myself reaching for the rollcage in rollover crashes 😂😂😂😂 The same team have built it man.. using unreal 5 I can't imagine a better rally game

[@MrGulyo]

This game is not for rally drivers 🤦🏼 but for gamers. I play RBR and Dirt2 too and love both. ❤

[@Cape1984]

Interesting to read that… specially if you have not tried it yet. Basically you are not a rally driver then…

[@tonymunford5804]

What are you on about 🤔

[@Sim_56]

what graphic settings you are on this video?

[@BM-13_KATYUSHA]

I love how they invest a bunch of money into making new games with new and advanced physics and then some Richard Burns Rally modder does a better job for free 😂

[@-IE_it_yourself]

remind me to send tRBR a donation

[@wayne79.]

7:35 you can’t help but let out a sound ye didn’t even know you was capable of 😂😂😂🤌🏼 tears laughin

[@SublimeSynth]

I have way more fun doing rally races in BeamNG than any other game

[@twenzepenguin4240]

Cant wait to test this looks alot of fun!

[@elcalenton00]

ea bought the competition of course they are gonna say this is the ultimate rally experience because theres no one else but just by all the videos i seen this is still the same WRC games but with codemaster sprinkled on top.back to dirt rally 2.0 it is guys

[@stuartcowie7633]

Im confused by this video. You slagged it off for the first half and loved it for the second half. Odd!

[@TSRB]

The entire game doesn't have to be either bad or good, It's not so black and white. It can do something well, and others poorly.

[@wotever99ninynine]

he is saying its not a good sim, but it is a good arcade game for the masses. it sounded like he was slagging it off a bit because as a sim fan he was rightfully a bit annoyed that it isnt what it was marketed to be. but he is also acknoweledging it is a good game for what it is. as a responsible reviewer probably should. he is trying to remain objective. i think he did a good job, perhaps over compensating with a bit too much praise though.

[@portableportal]

yes he is contradictory because he can not form an real opinion

[@Theottselmaster]

This legit looks like they took WRC Generations slapped EA CODEMASTERS on the box and called it a day.

[@StreetComp]

Interesting review, and after reading your comments bout EA saying maybe your install was bugged, I would ask if you’ve ever driven a car on a dirt/gravel stage or circuit at high speed? IMO, this is a prereq to judging how well a game simulates driving fast on dirt/gravel! I’m not trying to be mean, I’m honestly asking. Codies says they have an actual rally driver, I think he drives in Euro Rally 3 class, who helped them so maybe they got it right? 🤔😎

[@TSRB]

1:06 it doesn't take a rally driver to realise cars should not be driving like this

[@StreetComp]

@@TSRB okay thanks for the reply and I definitely enjoyed your video overall but not exactly sure what’s happening at 1:06. You should try rallycross! The autocross kind I mean :) Easiest way to get some experience on dirt

[@portableportal]

@@TSRB yea youre just some sim dude with an opinion, let the real drivers who have driven rally irl and played the first two games in the series form an honest review about the game

[@AlexKowalski-ci6im]

The best review about this new title I've heard so far. You are not biased, you don't get extra bribe from Codemasters obviously - completely contrary to some other KZbinrs most likely . Love it ❤; all the best.

[@PacoElMapache]

I've been hesitant to buy beamng but i think i will. I really like dirt rally 2 and the engine does die on you if your mean to it but, that genuine destruction of your car really appeals to me. The physics engine is crazy. I find the damage in this game or older dirt titles to be very underwhelming. I mean if you can continue after a big crash your super lucky. Even clipping a rock might rip the wheel off. I find mechanical sympathy to be a really exhilarating part of a racing/flying sim. What are your thoughts?

[@marcusalexander4437]

Have you tried wreckfest? It's probably the closest you will get to beamng damage especially on the realistic damage setting and on top of that is a hell of a fun racing game it's on ps5 and PC.

[@Frankestein01nl]

From seeing their own gameplay video, i cancelled the order.... i'll wait till after release. Thanks for the detailed review.