The NFA is Ableist & Classist

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The National Firearms Act of 1934 is the prime example of gun control being ableist and classist. We discuss that and more in this video.
Big thanks to the people who contributed their experiences to this video!
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[@SinistralRifleman]

Here’s my article from 2015 about working with a disabled student to make a rifle that worked for him: sinistralrifleman.com/2015/07/22/training-and-manufacturing-resources-coming-together/ Note: I no longer work with some of the companies mentioned here.

[@KamikazKid]

I have CMT myself so I was surprised to hear it mentioned, it was one of the things that drew me towards the WWSD project & carbon fiber handguards in general for my ARs as I have limited arm strength.

[@Bojangles6]

My dad is a single arm amputee. He hunted with a franchi 48al- the first aluminum receiver semi auto shotgun on the market, and a remington nylon 66. Semi auto, lightweight guns. He didnt hunt big game much, but the best thing he could find was a remington 742 woodmsater- an 18", 10.5lb '06. He is in assisted living now, but an ultralight ar wouldve been a miracle for him.

[@tombryant6061]

My wife has been in a wheelchair for the last 46 years…. Something to remember also is we are all temporarily able bodied…. Everything can change in a moment

[@SinistralRifleman]

Very true. Injury and sickness can happen to anyone, and the ravages of age comes for us all.

[@RedGnoll]

As a former "able bodied man", Amen to that...

[@menlikegods363]

Yup. Guillain-Barré Syndrome crippled me in 2019 within a month's time. It could've been a vehicular or workplace accident. My brother-in-law has been a quadriplegic for a little over a year now because an above ground pool ladder rung failed, causing him to take a header into the pool floor, shattering his neck. Life comes at you fast sometimes.

[@emilypeters8888]

@@tombryant6061 I know that all to well genetics took out my back at 30 out of nowhere

[@laughingjack85]

I'd say $200 is still pretty classist because 47% of people cant afford $400 surprise payment.

[@SinistralRifleman]

Some people responding already missing the point. Unfairly impacting part of “the people” is an argument for the NFA being unconstitutional. Yes there are historical legal arguments about the suitability of SBR and SBS for militia service. Having multiple arguments to dismantle unconstitutional laws is a good thing.

[@ahmadjavedaj]

Much respect working with people with disabilities ! I never thought of that point until you brought it up.

[@kaiserruhsam]

the classic disability example is curb cuts. essential for wheel chairs, extremely convenient for strollers, bikes, hand trucks... accommodating disability usually helps everyone

[@sirrivet9557]

It seems so strange to me how hellbent many conservatives are on weakening their anti gun control arguments by being such hypocrites when it comes to minorities being able to own guns.

[@joshuagerber4487]

@@kaiserruhsamVery true. I frequently see elderly patrons at my bank walking up the wheelchair ramp, instead of using the stairs. It’s a little bit further to travel over all, but must be less likely to cause a fall/accident.

[@justarandomtechpriest1578]

​@@joshuagerber4487 and it can be easier on their body than stairs

[@Dan-O937]

As a wheelchair user most of my life this video rings true on so many levels. Training is very difficult and it seems that there are very few good options due to the constraints of the chair. Thank you very much for your excellent content.

[@chrisspencer6502]

Don’t you get arm braces

[@harriers6248]

Imagine bringing a case to the supreme court arguing that the NFA and Hugh’s amendments were in violation of the 14th Amendment due to its discrimination against poorer Americans. That’d be kinda funny.

[@beansofproduction]

The Supreme Court has no sympathy for poor Americans.

[@lukezeiolf6977]

That’d be a terrible argument

[@esthera3923]

@@lukezeiolf6977 It'd be a good ethical argument but they'd probably ignore it

[@1982rrose]

Pretty logical

[@myparceltape1169]

I don't know if USA law or constitution is what that court follows.

[@thedownwardmachine]

While you're at it, worth pointing out that California CCW policies are racist. In CA, CCW granting policies are determined by the county sheriff. Sheriffs in whiter counties have laxer policies, while sheriffs in more mixed counties are stricter, have higher training and background check requirements (and thus higher costs), and take far longer to get through their backlog. This has changed little, post-Bruen. The effect is for people of color to disproportionately lack CCWs.

[@jacobstaten2366]

Illinois is $10 for a foid card, then $350 for the CCW class, let alone a holster and firearm.

[@bezimienny_andzej6425]

Are you sure it's skin color related and not crime related? Because you're pointing out sheriffs in "more mixed counties" have higher training. I guess they wouldn't need that "higher training" if there wasn't some OTHER (unrelated to skin color/race/whatever) issue around.

[@TacticoolGirlfriend]

Thank you for this. When it comes to the NFA, these are the most relevant critiques, imo.

[@wolflegion_]

As a European, I’ve said it multiple times before; the ADA is one of the best things about the US. It’s one of the things I wish we could copy as widely as it is in the US. It makes so much sense to take that same sentiment and apply it to 2A rights.

[@Birdpatch]

Getting concrete examples from friends and supporters is such a great way to make the argument. Makes the vid so much better than if it had just been theoretical, or you guessing what would be best. Or even going just off of Russell's observations from brutality matches. Excellent demonstration. ...and the tax stamps, whole other can or worms.

[@Terran994]

Truth, especially when you consider 200 dollars in 1934 was almost half the price of a new Model A.

[@kevinh2345]

Would have similar buying power to $4.5k

[@raven97439]

Yeah it was clearly made stupidly High so that no one back in the day would do it effectively banning them. Unless of course you were rich and powerful like always. ​@@kevinh2345

[@JamesThomas-gg6il]

It was exactly the price of a new Thompson , that's what the price for the tax was based on.

[@myparceltape1169]

​@@JamesThomas-gg6ilThat is a tremendous price for a short-range gun. No wonder much cheaper alternatives were made.

[@JamesThomas-gg6il]

@@myparceltape1169 well at the time it was the gangsters favorite choice, hence the unconstitutional NFA was "passed".

[@sae1095hc]

The original Maxim silencer was $5 for the 22 rimfire and $7 for the centerfire versions. A $200 tax in 1934 (a '34 Ford coupe was $500) killed the silencer in the US until inflation whittled that cost down.

[@WaterZer0]

I tell people mufflers should be $50 *max*, and they look at me like I'm crazy. Sure the newer fancier ones can be more, but the cheapest ones being $200 is a crime.

[@509Gman]

@@WaterZer0if the NFA went away today, every machine shop in the country would be churning out silencers. They’re stupid simple to make. Restriction is the only reason why they’re so expensive.

[@nighthound2714]

My Mom used to be against people owning silencers, but after I explained that "silencer" is a brand name like "Kleenex" and "Band-Aid", and that silencers and car mufflers were invented by the same guy and are basically the same thing, she didn't understand why they are so expensive and heavily regulated.

[@Schwarzvogel1]

@@509Gman The other amusing benefit is that removing suppressors from the NFA would actually benefit national security. Ask yourself this: why aren't suppressors standard-issue for _every_ infantryman? Why do you really only see Tier 1 operators running suppressors and not your standard grunt, even though the latter would certainly benefit greatly from the reduction in report and concussion when firing his service rifle--both in the field, and afterwards given that service-induced hearing loss is a widespread disability among veterans? It's because there just isn't enough R&D in suppressors to develop cans that are rugged, inexpensive, and sufficiently grunt-proof to make them viable as general-issue kit. This R&D isn't happening because the market for suppressors is not really big enough to justify many companies from really investing in developing better cans and putting big money into it in the same way that they invest in, say, developing better JHP or VLD bullets--as there _is_ a huge market for such products, which aren't artificially regulated by any unconstitutional laws. At least not in most states. Imagine the benefits of giving every soldier and Marine a reliable, compact, and rugged suppressor. That would make our armed forces even more effective in the field. Small arms alone may not win wars, but no conflict can be won without infantry. And when it comes to small arms development, the US has the unique advantage over most other nations, allied or potential rivals, because we have a large civilian firearms market that will naturally drive innovation and new designs. The unconstitutional restrictions on suppressors are stifling a potential gold mine of innovation and development that would ironically benefit the very government enforcing said restrictions as much as it would benefit the average civilian shooter.

[@RevolutionPony]

It's so refreshing to hear plain text rational legal arguments instead of 'apolitical' dog whistles from guntubers complaining about the government as if there was nothing to be done. 'Of the people' is an uncomfortable phrase because it means that we as individuals have a responsibility to act to change laws we don't like. Yes it's difficult with the current system, but nothing worth doing is easy. Changing political social sentiments about the NFA to consider the ADA implications is a great reframing of the debate that is more likely to change opinions. Thanks for this video Karl and Russell!

[@arcanehighlighter6780]

It’s so refreshing to be reminded that InRange is a properly based gun channel

[@schkullington]

Genuinely my pupils dilated when I saw this pop up

[@ryanthorne5432]

The NFA is wrong on so many levels

[@joesapienza8121]

I would venture to say the NFA is wrong on all levels.

[@ryanthorne5432]

@@joesapienza8121 you are correct

[@wurfyy]

Are there any levels on which it is not wrong?

[@ryanthorne5432]

@@wurfyy no, there is not

[@anthonybrennan4416]

It's Here to stay , Trump and the Republicans Couldn't even bother to Reclassify suppressors do you think they are gonna touch the NFA ?

[@compwiz101]

Anyone that wants to accuse Karl of "Virtue signaling" should stop to consider that not everyone is as insincere as they themselves are.

[@lukezeiolf6977]

lol do you know what words mean?

[@Sam-Cain]

​@@lukezeiolf6977Do you? That comment was very easy to follow, a child could understand it. "Virtue signalling" implies they don't actually care about the virtues they say they do, they're just using them for brownie points. Karl clearly cares.

[@bobbyburgle4536]

​@@lukezeiolf6977 weak

[@compwiz101]

@@lukezeiolf6977 It's okay, if you want someone to explain what virtue signalling is you can just ask, you don't have to pretend.

[@joshy7759]

And they forget that intersectionalism is an amazing defense for movements.

[@hockeywarrior]

Any law that incorporates a fee is intentionally a penalty against the poor. Prison bail is a good example -- it's not a big deal for someone with the means but ensures the poor remained locked up before it can be determined if they're even guilty in the first place. Great videos, keep up the awesome work advocating for 2nd Amendment for All which is so rare in the increasingly far-right gun space who see these things as political when they absolutely aren't. Thanks!

[@RAWBOT301]

$200 tax for hearing protection is unethical and unconstitutional. SBR laws also make zero sense.

[@captainsewerrat]

Especially when you keep things like braces legal. Because 99.999% of people use a brace to circumvent the SBR laws.

[@thecodemachine]

I feel like, when people say Disabled they always picture a person in a wheel chair, but more likely it is someone who has a small injury like a limp, or nerve problems like balance.

[@dc8836]

NFA's always been a terrible set of laws, written by legislators with little real-world knowledge of guns and crime. If we had a functional government we could probably amend it and other laws in ways that actually do have a material benefit on public safety while also removing things that don't affect it at all (which is most of the NFA.) But if wishes were fishes, we'd feed the world I guess. I think it's pretty telling that even countries with highly restrictive gun laws generally do not have laws like the NFA on the books. It's very easy to obtain and use a suppressor in the UK, for example, and it's even *expected* that you will use one in many cases simply to reduce noise pollution from the range.

[@Sadler2010]

I always hear that about Germany allowing suppressors as a way to be courteous to your neighbors.

[@KrikZ32]

@@logicthought24 You have to get a permit each time you buy a gun, then an additional special permit for suppressors, laser sights, or full auto guns. They even had a referendum where the citizens voted to ban high-cap mags in semi-auto guns, but the government didn't actually change that law.

[@rushthezeppelin]

You forgot the part where it was lobbied for by alcohol agents that were about to lose their jobs at the end of prohibition.

[@viceadmiralcongo]

Far as I've been able to tell, easy suppressor acquisition is really only a thing in the UK. Other places they're more highly regulated, treated basically the same way as guns themselves, which are harder to get than in the US. Even permissive European countries like Czechia and Slovenia don't make it as easy as the UK.

[@CAepicreviews]

1:49 For anyone curious, $200 in 1934 when the NFA was originally implemented is $4760 today according to the BLS. Also good point that it's ableist, I've always understood that smaller gun more maneuverable and all that, but never really thought of it in relation to that exactly. Also as you mention it being harder for some people to use a pistol with grip strength, my dad's been losing some of that in recent years and it's been getting harder for him to rack the slide, load mags, etc. Something like a modified Raider with a little charging handle would be great for him.

[@averagemordhauplayer4821]

💯 Thank you for the real inclusivity I have never seen ANYWHERE else on 'guntube'.

[@BlindingGlow]

InCluSiViTy! This is why Garand Thumb DWARFS his following. LMAO

[@cac_deadlyrang]

@@BlindingGlowcool story bro

[@joelapplin88]

@@BlindingGlowgarand thumb is a bigoted catholic who believes in fairytales.

[@WaterZer0]

@@BlindingGlow Keep being angry when you see someone with dark skin who has a gun.

[@n0tthemessiah]

@@BlindingGlow What a weird hobby/interest you have that requires having *fewer* people enjoying it

[@mikebeuselinck6138]

I had a professor twenty years ago named Preston Covey. He taught a class about guns in society, and argued these points. It was a personal issue to him because he lost function of one arm as a child from polio, and could only practically use NFA weapons.

[@alexc3504]

I’m not a veteran or police person but I am a concealed carrying person who lives in central Texas. I like shooting rifles but I have surgical plates in my right arm to heal a major fracture I suffered in 2022 and it makes my shooting experience way harder, holding heavy objects with my right arm is definitely harder than it used to be. My AR-15 is difficult to use for me. It’s far easier however than my pistols. I like my pistols but I’m less capable unless I shoot left handed. I had that pistol before I was disabled by my injury and I had to retrain around my arm. I really appreciate inrangetv for bringing this up.

[@zoutewand]

You probably have more experience with this than me, but have you used those tri (bi?) pods for urban warfare? Or ones for shooting competitions that make the rifle position more static?

[@bigmike-]

For reference, $200 in 1934 Dollars would be equivalent to around $4,760 today.

[@billybob501]

I was f*cking shocked to find this channel. respectable, not trying to fit a certain “crowd” (YKWIM), and informative gun content. Looking forward to more

[@marzcapone9939]

This should be a Congressional Hearing. You could see the ADA trump the NFA

[@pacosninjatacoteam2884]

The NFA is also racist. Well, maybe not directly. But you can see the intentions with things like the $200 stamp

[@teru797]

yes spread the word!

[@johnmitchell923]

It's also homophobic

[@CGcorruptproductions]

Not all black people are poor asshole

[@Jomchen]

Find an american institution that isn't racist and/or founded upon racist principles lmao

[@Phykos]

​@@johnmitchell923how is it homophobic? (I believe you; I'm just unaware of this)

[@wolfo1931]

The NFA does severely limit options for a disabled individual or someone with a lasting injury like my father who took years to recover. Everyone deserves to exercise their rights.

[@Observer31]

as far as classist and costs, look at the laws/regs against "saturday night special" - they didn't want affordable guns for the poor

[@teslashark]

Thanks to George Kellgren, he made civilian versions of many failed prototypes of extremely compact special purpose guns like the barely reloadable Grendel P10

[@jdfriar]

t12 l1 spinal cord injury gunsmith says amen brothers.

[@noway6633]

Its ableist, classist, and sexist. Ive said this for years. The pistol brace ban and the sbr restrictions in general have should have been challenged and should still be challenged on those issues specifically seeing as america is extremely sensitive to those issues in literally any and every other contexts. Suppressor restrictions effect those with sensory issues, bans on machine guns produced artificially limits the market and along with tax stamps discriminates specifically against the poor which also disproportionately effects brown and black people. These are the exact arguments and tactics our opposition would be suing on were they in our position. Maybe we should learn some lessons.

[@MGood-ij1hi]

I never understood why a rifle with a barrel length less than sixteen inches was a weapon that had to be more strictly controlled but a handgun with a four inch barrel was an NFA item until I learned that originally handguns were to be in the same classification as machineguns and suppressors under the NFA. But even the Federal government knew that confiscating or severely handguns from the American population was a fool's errand , so handguns were removed from that list.

[@Fireclaws10]

Finally someone on GunTube said it, thank fuck you're a real one Karl. Guns need to stop being an exclusively right wing issue. We need minorities, women and queer people in too, instead of being excluded as we are now.

[@georgelstuart]

Nobody is excluded! Stand up and get involved. If you are waiting for an invitation, it will never come because that's not how the world works. If you are waiting for "representation", be the representation.

[@aznhomig]

I don't want to arm people who want to actively disarm me. There is a distinction.

[@Fireclaws10]

@@aznhomig which one of the groups i mentioned is trying to disarm you? The disabled? Queer people? Leftists, not liberals, are very pro-gun. Marx said “Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary”. Guns are necessary tools to keep the power of the bourgeoise and their tools of state violence like the police in check. Without them, the state has free reign to trample all over you.

[@MrMagnaniman]

@@aznhomig They're talking about repealing the NFA in this video. Obviously, they don't want to disarm you. There are more than two ways to think.

[@jeeBisOkay]

​@@aznhomigActual leftists don't want to disarm people! Liberals are not leftists.

[@henrysmithtv]

love the automatic dislikes from people who didnt watch the video, they just saw the words ableist and classist

[@knight_lautrec_of_carim]

@@Phlostonparadise2971 Exactly. Carl just wants some good boy points.

[@n0tthemessiah]

@@Phlostonparadise2971 It's virtue signaling to want to increase the availability and use of firearms to more people?

[@AkiSan0]

@@Phlostonparadise2971 a month on the internet is enough to impart exactly that kind of knowledge. ;)

[@user-mn8lz7gf6d]

seems like a fair reason to dislike

[@teru797]

@@user-mn8lz7gf6d why? the more people we win over from the other side to agree with us the better.

[@fiffy326]

I have unstable joints & trouble walking due to hyper-mobility, and I hadn't considered the accessibility uses for braces until now. I had just thought of them as a way to avoid paperwork and never thought too deeply about how they'd be practically useful. Thank you for continuing to put out high-quality, inclusive content.

[@andyrihn1]

We also know from the Congressional transcripts from the drafting of the NFA that the regulation of silencers had ZERO link to violent crime. It was only seen as a way to curb poaching which at that time the accucasation of poaching was heavily racialized and classist

[@lephishe6271]

When you mentioned the desparity in wealth and described "impoverished person living in a ghetto" that makes me wonder if there's a racial angle (intended or unintended) to the NFA. We know that the restrictions on short-barrel rifles were intended to lead into a ban on handguns, and from the era of Slavery to the New South era, southern state governments sought to prevent non-white people from owning firearms. And the NFA was passed in the height of a workers movement, and the great depression.

[@KR-hg8be]

There was a racial angle to thr 1960s era regulations. The pistols they decided were "Saturday night specials" all had the fact that they were common in inner city areas with high crime and cheap, thus popular with the poorer folks who wanted a gun for self defense.

[@AspensArmory]

Even now the $200 dollars is insane, the reason I have no NFA stuff is 200 is so hard to aquire

[@maker_greg]

I think Karl should go on to fudd busters to talk about this with Matt.

[@n0tthemessiah]

Too bad Matt is a reactionary idiot that constantly talks about "the left" (as he calls it) trying to take everyone's guns away. That dude's whole shtick is how much more informed he is than everyone else wrt to guns, related laws, etc., but he is no better than the people he criticizes when it comes to understanding political ideologies.

[@wild_west_hippie]

I have EDS too, I’m glad someone is bringing this to light it’s a serious issue sometimes

[@not-fishing4730]

There is no NFA in California. All those firearms that require a tax stamp are Verboten in California, so 40,000,000 are denied in one state. Absolutely true, my five foot, 65+ year old Cantonese wife cannot handle any of my rifles and only some of my handguns.

[@NoLies17]

I like this. A 2A+ADA approach is quite a good argument.

[@marmite8959]

I really appreciate your content on this subject. I live in the UK and have no real-life connection to the firearms world, I just watch youtube videos because they're interesting, but myself and my partner suffer from varying mobility issues and there's definitely very limited support and understanding in our societies. Mostly this affects our ability to travel, to complete daily chores, and to work in certain environments. I had never considered shooting sports or personal firearms use to be affected by disabilities although obviously they are, like any other aspect of life. Long story short I found it really interesting to learn about this part of your history, hobbies, and livelihoods, and I really appreciate your respectful and well-informed commentary 💜

[@danielhardy8693]

I think we all recognize that the tax was designed to keep NFA items out of the hands of the common folk and therefore keep the overall ownership numbers down. Ableism, on the other hand, is most certainly an avenue that should be explored, especially considering the various groups who have supported braces for this exact reason. Very interesting talk gents, lots to think about!

[@RedHuntsman]

$200 in 1934 was $4900 in today's dollars.

[@schylerswessels]

gun control itself is based in classism and racism.

[@larryw5429]

Why has no one brought a case against the NFA. It is so wrong on so many levels. Taxing a right far far above any other tax on any given item is a direct infringement and was meant to be! No real constitutional judge would argue for the constitutionality of the NFA!

[@SinistralRifleman]

The Miller case brought in 1939 involving a moonshiner and a SBS resulted in an upholding of the NFA because the court said an SBS was not suitable for militia service. Miller was either not reachable or dead and no one was paying his attorney to show up. This resulted in decades of bad laws that are only recently being over turned starting with Heller vs DC.

[@georgg372]

I love your approach. here in German speaking central Europe you cannot get a Handgun/Semi-Auto permit (watch TFB TV's Video on Austrian Gun Laws) if you are not able bodied to operate it (racking, holding it etc.) and this is more or less tested in the psychological examination. but you can get Bolt/Lever/Break Action Long Guns without much issues.

[@62jape]

And grass is green, the sky is blue, and the earth is round.

[@SomeGuyAsWell]

I feel like a suppressed and stocked pdw style firearm would become a lot of people's go to choice for home defense without the NFA. A lot of people already like the idea of PCCs or short 300blk options. Non-gun owners or fudds might give strange looks but it makes sense if you want to be accurate and not go deaf.

[@myparceltape1169]

Not owning or using a gun I can only say that some people lost hearing later on.

[@wurfyy]

I've thought for a long time that the best weapon for home defense would be a short, suppressed, select-fire AR-15 with jungle-clipped 30 or 40-rounders. Or something akin to the American-180, suppressed.

[@BillyONeal]

I first read the thumbnail as “the NRA” and it works for that too 😂

[@xipietotec]

So here’s a very funny thing, only slightly related to guns, so switchblades are banned in most states for non-law enforcement as “dangerous weapons”. Except for NY, where it is still considered a dangerous weapon and thus prohibited, unless you only have use of one hand in which case it’s considered an ability device.

[@xipietotec]

So I do think you could possibly have a good have a good disability challenge with existing judgement.

[@Sam-Cain]

Interesting to think about because I'd assume putting a switchblade back into the handle is prohibitivly difficult to do with one hand?

[@xipietotec]

@@Sam-Cain modern switchblades are also easy to close with one hand

[@josephbobak6839]

Why do we have to pay a tax to exercise our Constitutional rights? Do we have to pay tax to vote, speak at a rally or drive to another state or town? Enough!

[@xthetenth]

That is in fact the entire point of laws requiring specific forms of ID for voting and has been all the way back to when they could just use grandfather clauses and hideously rigged "civics" tests to deny freedmen their rights. It's the same principle and in both cases the rules that cause disparate impact are clearly wrong.

[@rogervincent8314]

@josephbobak6839 the nfa of 1934 was written in such a manner as to circumvent the 2nd amendment.instead of a direct prohibition they made it a taxable item. and yes if your drivers license is valid in all 50 states how is it that your right to bear arms is subject to local/state laws a right is a right no matter what state or city you are traveling thru

[@whensomethingcriesagain]

Funnily enough poll taxes are a thing that has a long precedent of being weaponized in this country

[@AKguru762]

The Poll Tax was common in the post war southern states. The 24th amendment made the Poll Tax illegal in 1964.

[@noname-xo1bt]

Don't give them ideas!

[@Stormpriest]

Augmented shotguns have a $5 tax stamp to this day LOL. That one always struck me as kind of strange in contrast to the $200 tax stamp on class threes

[@yzhou05]

What’s an “augmented” shotgun?

[@Stormpriest]

@@yzhou05 Short barreled or very short barreled usually. What did you think it meant?

[@AKguru762]

Like a Serbu super shorty shotgun. They are made from frames that have never been assembled into a stocked long barrel shotgun. So it’s a AOW, not a shotgun with a shorten barrel.

[@yzhou05]

@@Stormpriest I know about SBS’s, thought those were the usual $200 tax stamp? *Edited to add: I see, there’s a $5 stamp to transfer AOWs (though still $200 to make one).

[@AtlasJotun]

@@yzhou05 AKGuru's answer is accurate. It's not just a matter of barrel length like the other person suggested.

[@esthera3923]

I am a disabled queer person who is active within the firearms community and hoping to work within the firearms industry as a machinist. This is a subject that rarely gets talked about, yet you are bringing it up. Thank you 💖

[@ParaBellaActual]

When you dissect the actual policies that are enacted by *Gun Control*, it has never been about safety, but creating a class divide where only the elite are allowed to defend themselves. Bringing this awareness to the “uninformed” is the only (peaceful) way to secure our rights, which you have done here. Solid video 👍🏻

[@WulfgarOpenthroat]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the SBR restriction uniquely absurd in that the NFA was originally also going to ban or restrict pistols as part of a wider movement against concealable firearms, and the SBR restriction was only added to close the 'loophole' of cutting down a rifle or shotgun? Then the pistol ban was dropped but the provision against SBRs left in. Or is that more of an urban legend?

[@WaterZer0]

The problem here is the legal system does not care about what makes sense or the original intent of the law only about precedent. Yes it's a violation of the second amendment, but clearly that doesn't matter; or it would have been repealed by now. So we're stuck with it.

[@HowlinMadAZ]

100% true. Handgun ban was what they wanted most, became extremely unpopular with voters who pressured congress who then dropped the handgun part and left everything else in place.

[@tanstaafl2840]

You are correct. SBR's and SBS's were included so someone couldn't say "No, officer - this isn't a banned handgun. It's a 'short-barreled rifle" "

[@madeconomist458]

Some cool macroeconomic history for y'alls When Congress enacted the NFA, $200 more than doubled the price of most civilian machine guns which put them out of reach for most people, and this was *very much* intentional. However, Congress did not index this tax to inflation because, up until 1933, the price level did not tend to rise or fall over very long periods. However, from about WW2 onward, central banks began to adopt a policy of inflation targeting, whereby they would aim for a specific amount of inflation, usually around 2-5% per year depending on the country, and this meant that prices would also tend to rise on average by 2-5% per year over the long term. So, ever since then, whenever governments enact excise taxes, those taxes are also always indexed to inflation. So we should all count our lucky stars that gun control was invented before inflation targeting, otherwise that $200 tax stamp we all hate so much would be closer to $5000!

[@n0tthemessiah]

I have limited mobility in my legs due to developmental problems; I can sort of jog/run for a short distance, but only if I don't plan on walking anywhere for several days after. I'm always looking for lighter weapons and gear because I simply can't carry the weight with any real mobility that people of my size could normally do without hindrance. So products which are designed to be lightweight and easy to maneuver are basically a requirement for me. I have a WWSD carbine for this exact reason -- its weight, balance, and ease-of-use were HUGE selling points for me.

[@bryanengland2466]

Very good conversation

[@artemkanarchist]

Thank you so much for the work you’ve been doing all that time!🏴

[@Yt-gd8ps]

Thank you for bringing these topics to the forefront as it is imperative that the 2nd amendment not be hindered by ones wealth.

[@One-Armed-Un-Boxer]

For some the 1968 GCA is even worse than the NFA, much worse. Especially so for those who are for any reason housebound. GOOD LUCK finding an FLL that does HOUSE CALLS. That knocks out your right TKaBA outright. Those without an address are going to have trouble with the 4473.

[@ForkliftBadger]

The woke mob is coming for the NFA! Wtf!!!!! Great work guys.

[@jonathannathan1754]

Wait, this is the channel that all of guntube says is a bunch of shrill arrogant enraged Maoists? This is just two guys talking calmly.

[@InrangeTv]

Most of what people say in "guntube land" is, at a minimum, hyperbole. Probably much worse.

[@colindegrow1475]

Thank you both for this thought-provoking presentation. Well done.

[@TheDoorspook11c]

Well yes! Duh! Creating an artificially shrinking pool of "valuable" products will do nothing but create a circular fuck for enthusiast and a society full of potential outlaws.

[@LittleGunBunny]

I knew this video was coming, as I submitted video for it, but it’s amazing, throughout my entire journey with firearms this has been a big struggle for me. No matter how much practice I get, how good I know my fundamentals, I always struggle with a pistol, but add a stock or give me a carbine and not only can I shoot way better but I am not in pain after. I really appreciate y’all speaking on the NFA, to both its history of classism and how it’s ableist. I honestly see things like stocks on a pistol or short barreled rifles like glasses. Shooters with vision impairment are allowed to wear glasses. Not being able to see a target makes you much less accurate. Same concept. Anyway, thank you so much this video is amazing! ❤🎉

[@beard3d381]

This is fantastic - exactly the kind of quality content that Karl, InRange, and Sinistral Rifleman regularly put together. People who are not affected by these factors regularly just don’t think of them, or at worst, claim they don’t exist “because they don’t see them.” Everyone in the 2A community should be talking about ableism and classism as barriers to being able to defend ourselves. These factors infringe on our rights. Stop beating the drums on other bullshit and nonsense and focus on shit like this - tangible, real issues. Excellent content.

[@MonkeyDespot]

Thanks for bringing this all up. I have thought many times about how the NFA stifled suppressor development for decades, but not about the fact that we might all be carrying pistols with small, quick-deployable stocks if not for the Act.

[@MPC_2117]

So much truth here. I broke my hand in highschool and being poor, never went to the hospital to treat it. As a result my ring and little finger knuckles bend inward towards the palm of my hand instead of laying flat. The result is I cannot get a solid firing grip on handguns, it's like I'm holding it with only my thumb and middle finger. The tighter I grip, the more the bent fingers push the grip away from my palm.

[@GhostC10]

I already didnt care for the NFA, these are some fantastic arguments for dismantling it in addition to the simple matter of "shall not be infringed"

[@diggacha]

Not that we'd ever see it, but it would be interesting to see the ADA used against the NFA in court off of this reasoning. Overall, a great conversation to have had

[@drift180x]

I agree. To make positive changes though, newer more inclusive minds should consider getting involved in government. Many of the points made would heard by a leadership unwilling to hear them, as it currently is. Still it’s common for them to think only the big heavy wooden ones from one hundred fifty plus years ago are okay. Which I feel is a shield for them just generally being against the idea of people defending themselves. The rebuttal will usually be worded something like: “it’s what my grandfather had and it was good enough for him. Nobody needs (modern thing).” Or something like that.

[@theblindsniper9130]

From a video editor standpoint, top tier camera transitions, looks very professional. Excellent points, on top of it being a whole heartedly unconstitutional issue.

[@ecarlson4987]

It is like taxing and requiring additional registration for an automatic transmission vehicle

[@Just_Some_Person]

Excellent points, Karl and Russell!

[@enclavesoldier769]

I appreciate everyone at inRange and you Karl for making a alignment with inclusivity. Most other guntubers are of inconsiderate and brash

[@BassJunkie200]

AFT agents disliking the video.

[@Gunny426HemiPlymouth]

Great video giving great examples. Keep up the great work, another awesome video from Inrange.

[@scareypete13]

Whenever someone tells me to "just file for an SBR" they're really not thinking about what it means to put your name on a government list. If you're an outspoken critic of the government, if you're queer, a woman, bipoc, religious minority, immigrant or some other marginalized group, what would an authoritarian regime do with a list of who owns SBRs and Suppressors

[@iannesby]

You mean like... when you bought the gun?

[@AKguru762]

Or got a drivers license…..

[@karatos]

Wait till they find out what you have to do to register to vote...

[@gagekieffer772]

to the people replying to this comment, getting a driver's license and registering to vote are expected of you as a citizen, thus those lists are gonna be very long and nearly pointless when it comes to pinpoint a specific group of people. Similarly with guns, there are many Americans that own non-NFA items and/or firearms legally, so similar deal. However, due to how restrictive those NFA items are, that list is gonna be a lot shorter and thus easier for ill-intended government agents to, say, harass individuals or specific groups on that shorter list.

[@ForOne814]

@@gagekieffer772 what stops them from putting you on a list based on your activities/background and harassing you based on that?

[@alexmiller5796]

My step dad and I discussed many times how the brace ruling was basically violating the ADA act.

[@Vanalos]

Never thought about it that way. Privilege!

[@BearTheBearyBearestBear]

$200 is definitely still classist. I definitely can't afford an extra $200 when the can is like $600

[@xXMapleVodkaXx]

Finally, gun content that is concise, poignant, and not trying to sell me some shit I do not need

[@MrSmith-zy2bp]

Supressors & SBR's on the NFA is stupid. Where can I sign up for said discrimination lawsuit?

[@ExtraThiccc]

How to get conservatives to like the NFA: call ot ableist and classist

[@Charles_Gunhaver]

I enjoyed this camera work. I don’t know if it’s a new method, but it feels new.

[@_NotmyShadow_]

I noticed that too. Seems like there are 3 cameras instead of one now.

[@jordaneffinger2104]

California had the "great" idea to have all ammunition sales require a $1 "eligibility check" that crosses the AFS records to ensure you're legible to buy firearms/ammunition, or otherwise denies you.

[@teslashark]

It's from the "ethnic and hybrid gangs" panic, thanks Daryl Gates

[@welcometocattown2036]

Been telling folks this for years. It's important stuff and it needs fixed. The NFA needs repealed.

[@Hybris51129]

What we all should start bringing up more often is how many 2A groups are actively going after the NFA? We have a law that is in place for nearly a century now and yet it seems that no one is doing more than talk about how bad the NFA is. In the early 2000's I remember all the rage was getting concealed carry legalized in more states and now its constitutional and open carry. Why is there no one going after the big game laws here?

[@astarothk2273]

lawyers will never go after their golden geese, cant eternally grift off a solved problem

[@Hybris51129]

@@astarothk2273 At this point I fully believe that this is purposeful a malicious and greedy act by these 2A groups.

[@SomasAcademy]

Small thing, but a lot of us disabled folks find the term "differently abled" a little patronizing and potentially misleading (for some people it seems to imply being disabled in one way means getting some new skill to compensate, which isn't always the case and can distract from the need for accommodations) and prefer for people to just stick to "disabled." Not everyone feels the same, but it's a very common sentiment I've heard lol

[@myparceltape1169]

I am liable to be bullied by the 'herd' so I try to sidestep it by directing the focus on a person. Not the generality of people who can't climb stairs, see across the road or whatever.

[@FromMyXP]

In France, the administration started to use "en situation de handicap" (roughly translates to "in a situation of being disabled"), as to say "the problem is not that the person can't use their legs, but that they can't go in that building" and that the situation is the one that should be rectify. I'm not in the disabled community so I can't vouch for them, but the reaction of the few orgs I heard on the subject was positive.

[@MrMagnaniman]

George Carlin has a great bit about this. They play semantics to downplay the serious nature of a problem and, ultimately, do nothing to address it. "Differently abled" sounds like gaslighting to me.

[@DNchap1417]

Tell me something I don’t know… it must be disbanded all together. NFA must go!

[@cornkobmansanto17]

Great points as always guys.

[@wartortle9491]

Y'all are the best. This is a well thought out argument that doesn't stray into fudd territory.

[@Kevin.odonnell]

Yep! Been trying to say this for a while! It’s hard for me to do many things because of a neuromuscular disease I have. I can’t hold a pistol out in front of me for long without all my muscles seizing. I have also limited practice capacity because of that. Just like EDS woman. Also, why should I have a disadvantage trying to protect myself from able bodied ne’er do wells? Am I not as deserving of the opportunity to defend my life as anyone else? I’d love to get argumentative about it because it really is an ableist landscape.

[@AnthonyLewis-zi4rh]

Here in Australia there are SOME provisions for people with disabilities, or people with low physical strength. Those licenses are to acquire semi-automatic firearms instead of manual firearms, for the specific purpose of reduction in felt recoil, but basically nothing else. I've personally trained people with disabilities, particularly in their arms and hands, and for most it is basically impossible for them to continue their training because getting a license for a firearm that won't cause them repetitive strain injuries is simply too hard and too complicated. There are some options on the market today, but they are not a lot different from pistol braces and their "skirting the law" feeling.

[@RedTSquared]

These are great views....wish more people thought this way! Big Gov doesn't want us 'able' to use the best tools to keep ourselves safe it seems.

[@Sadler2010]

They would never!!!

[@DrAnarchy69]

Good video. However most of us in the disability community prefer disabled not “differently abled”

[@Sam-Cain]

Most is a stretch. I'm disabled myself (Ambulatory) and most of my friends either prefer disabled or crippled. Though we are in the UK, maybe the culture is different in the US, but it just feels right to call a spade a spade and be proud of it.

[@MrMagnaniman]

I've always thought it was strange to try to gaslight people with handicaps into believing they don't have additional difficulties not faced by others.

[@jeeBisOkay]

Agreed, just say disabled!

[@Glocktologist]

This is nice to know. I’m an able-bodied man and people with disabilities rarely have abilities that are any different from mine. When it comes to completing tasks like lifting heavy items or walking up stairs (or just walking), some people are less able or completely unable to do so. I don’t see these as a ”different ability”.