The NFC & AFC South's Reaction to Week 17

[@chrisuncleahmad666]

“Beating us is like hitting an empty piñata.” “Am I being incentivized? Don’t want another bounty gate on our hands”

[@jimeligino2029]

Beating Bart is karma, because of his assholery, as well as beating J.B.

[@2funnyrockrs]

Excellent joke. Never let them live it down.

[@Demedich1]

Hats off to Tom. He actually has organic character growth through progression and regression. Something most actual tv shows and movies fail to properly do. The quality to his character writing over these series is impressive.

[@Drkfire_Yt]

Ye man had me cryin ovr Raymond oliver and elijah

[@gohawks3571]

Cause most writers don't have control over how their vision is played out. Tom has the ultimate control, and it's pretty awesome👍

[@thetonyinator9108]

I find it cool the character progression with Raymond. Starts out as just a cool detective that doesn’t seem to have fear, to just a guy who really wants to be the father for the gatos that he never was for his son.

[@jcoolguy1548]

There are a ton of shows and movies that have character development

[@chanceschenk5960]

Why when raymond said goodbye to the Gatos I just whanted to give My cat a big hug

[@micpixel5189]

I like how we are slowly drifting apart from the reactions to the nfl weeks but more to this world that Tom has created. I'm not complaining.

[@desroywhite]

Facts!

[@Whathappenughh]

True

[@majintv24]

For reals lol love the characters but less focus on the season compared to the last 2

[@gauravagochiya4218]

@@majintv24I think that’s mainly because he has such a big universe now with his own characters from Seasons 1-3 of Coach and Seasons 1-2 of the AFC/NFC Saga that he can focus more on their character arcs compared to just going off of what is happening in the NFL season

[@Doommaster677]

The new season of Coach is going to be nuts when we get there... but I'm most excited for the North saga next season

[@ST0NE_206]

I hope Oliver and the Jaguars win the South Division in honor of Uche ❤️

[@chief9894]

Teal kitty goes meow!

[@BaconNarwhal310]

I'm a Titans fan and honestly...I'd be ok with it.

[@ndmill.5748]

@@BaconNarwhal310 I wouldn’t ur. Fake fan of your ok with losing

[@BaconNarwhal310]

@@ndmill.5748 Fake fan? Ok dude. I grew up in Wisconsin surrounded by Packers fans during the Favre Era and decided to be a fan of the Houston Oilers instead. I've suffered through 2-14 and 3-13 and my Fandom never wavered. I'm not a fake fan, I'm realistic.

[@lordat]

Yes make his prediction correct

[@jonpalmer5251]

Warms the heart to see Oliver caring so much about Raymond... again, just a solid dude that Oliver, I'm pulling for ya buddy

[@AK_804]

its fake

[@Doommaster677]

Wildflower and Oliver would get along really well imo

[@STEEZY_TREV16]

@@AK_804 Ever heard of getting invested in something

[@nerdtony]

Okay, but Seb finally calling Jeremy Greg was the best part.

[@arvidassburg4500]

U must be a saints fan xD

[@nerdtony]

@@arvidassburg4500 Patriots fan, but same energy

[@Mert_Yanik]

I thought his name was Paul

[@zedek8779]

Holy shit GIVE THIS MAN AN EMMY 😭😭😭😭 I legit cried at the Greg scene that was amazing Tom your an amazing actor breathing life into these characters and making us feel for them

[@Dragonskull1057]

I wish we could have learned more about Greg overall but the ending was pretty true to life when it comes to the relationship between Bucs and Panthers fans. In all honesty the Bucs are the team in the division that I hear the least hate for from the Panther fan base. Really most of the hate even now is more at Tom Brady than it is towards the Bucs franchise themselves.

[@Ani-ce6jd]

Oh helll yeahhhh

[@davidbaker6157]

I think it’d be a webby in this case but wholeheartedly agree either way

[@WendyBouchoux]

@@davidbaker6157 Me too.

[@Jordan-zy7fq]

As a Raiders fan I can't wait to see Mack and Captian meet again

[@justusdinut7662]

So much division and turmoil in our organization. The two are fitting characters for us

[@ianalex9062]

CFO and Mack’s reunion will be one for the ages.

[@elijahmcgeorge5198]

Toms cats must be so confused since he’s always acting like someone else LOL

[@annalisahartmann5661]

I'm sure they're fine with it as long as they get fed

[@elijahmcgeorge5198]

@@annalisahartmann5661 ya probably

[@jluchette]

I’m in tears. Your writing is beautiful. Hope you’re really proud of this one, Tom.

[@TomGrossiComedy]

I am. Thank you

[@samrameker2753]

I love how JB and Bart have learned to live with a respectful hatred to each other.

[@imshelvinsingh]

Loved the Brett Favre stealing candy with the empty Piñata. Can’t wait for the next one! Love the lore!

[@lbr7897]

Someday I'd like a summary of everything that could have been if other teams had won (looking at you Panthers)

[@shardofsouls3832]

No same I think having an alternate ending would be super cool

[@lbr7897]

@@steffanyschwartz7801 I know 😭 As a Panthers fan no one was madder and more disappointed than me.

[@nitroflux_o1040]

This series really is a choose your own adventure except its the nfl dictating how the story unfolds and we're here to anticipate what could happen next after the week is over, its honestly kinda genius even if it gives him very little time to make these

[@Hoosier868]

I do like how Tom really made Raymond different than all the others and then him leaving. To me as a colts fan it does feel like we don’t belong in the AFC south we are just the random team they stuck there

[@Kylora2112]

Dolphins should be in the South, Indy in the North, and Baltimore in the East.

[@MJGOAT]

@@Kylora2112Baltimore belongs in the north there are to many historical and classic rivalry

[@rjwhiteG8]

Nooootttt raymondddddddd. And poor Greg, I genuinely thought he'd join mack tho. On that note, captain running after mack hurt mannnn. Oliver deserves to have a friend, he's the nicest in the house

[@hoopz66]

I think Oliver and seb could be friends.

[@kanebarton6212]

I think Oliver Seb and Danny are probably gonna stick together at the end of this the 3 Florida boys who are looking for some form of family

[@STEINE9]

I genuinely don’t think any of the 8 people in the house were actually bad or anything just 8 very flawed people. As a panthers fan I am glad that Greg didn’t join Mac so maybe we’ll see him again in a good light.

[@Dragonskull1057]

I hope so. We really didn't get to learn as much about Greg compared to everybody else. Ironic that Seb in the end is the closest one to being nice to him (other than Oliver since he was nice to everybody for the most part lol) because in all honesty the Bucs are the team that I usually see Panther fans hate the least in the division outside of the whole Tom Brady thing.

[@hoopz66]

@@Dragonskull1057 well the bucs and panthers focused on each other more this season since they competed for the division. Explains why Bart and JB were jerks cause greg and seb had a shot.

[@gustavomassi100]

ABSOLUTE MASTERPIECE, LOVED THIS EPISODE AND THE LORE IS BETTER THAN EVER... WHAT IF THE ENTITY IS CONTROLLING MAC!!! SO MANY QUESTIONS. LOVED IT TOM!|

[@loganpeters7543]

I am not personally invested in any of these teams, but the storyline remains one of my favorite things to watch. Period. Thank you, Tom.

[@hoopz66]

WE NEED TO SEE MACK AND CAPTAIN’S REUNION ALREADY I DONT WANNA WAIT ANOTHER WEEK

[@lbr7897]

Fr I was so sure it was going to happen this week!

[@hoopz66]

@@lbr7897 same man, hopefully we get a scene of breck, Mack, captain, and Lenny all in the same room.

[@dfp_01]

@@hoopz66 I feel like this whole series is leading up towards some kind of showdown at the mafia house, but we'll get there when we get there (most likely after Coach Season 5 and during the North saga)

[@ReggieKSanshire]

Never thought I'd come close to crying over a flashback involving a P.I. and a couple of cats

[@WolfyRagnarok]

That part hit me hard.

[@ultimatepotato713]

If Tom doesn't play himself as the Packers fan next year I will be severely disappointed.

[@MichaelPiz]

The Tom in the Coach series is a Packers fan. It'll probably be that character. That would mean that we've already seen all the NFC North characters: Tom - Packers Thom - Vikings Lemmy - Lions Chomas - Bears If those are the NFC characters in the North Saga, look out! If they're not, since they're all in the same universe, look out anyway!

[@nathanlarson6535]

the steelers character better be tom’s best impression of UTree (or at the very least a stereotypical yinzer) that flip flops between “we’re going to the super bowl!” and “we need to fire mike tomlin and tank” nearly every week.

[@nitroflux_o1040]

@@nathanlarson6535 stillers gahnta super bowl * incomprehensible screaming *

[@thatlonewolfguy2878]

@@nathanlarson6535 Oh my god Tree needs to be in it next season as the Steelers fan and his only dialogue is "steelers ghanta superbowl" for the entire season

[@goldnuclear9859]

This series of NFC and AFC south teams reacting to what has happened to them week by week has now turned into a masterful drama. Brilliant job

[@RatingsFor]

Man Tom, the writing in these is great. Great job as always!

[@ronshultis8355]

In New Orleans with some Packers buddies and guy I beat in fantasy playoffs tried to order gumbo. Told the waitress he couldn't and looked right at him and said "cause gumbo is for winners." Tom your characters are living legends.

[@DOAGaming13]

Legit teared up at the Greg/Bart segment. Great build up to the "Stop caring about what others think" message from Week 1. Definitely needed that today

[@danny6bethers]

The scenes with the kitties. Sooo cute!! They are just adorable! 😻😻😻😻

[@nathanlarson6535]

this is the first and only season of this series i’ve watched from front to back. from reading the other comments here talking about other series, i really need to catch up and know the lore of the tom grossi cinematic universe.

[@gerrymilgarcia7300]

I expected a show where each teams fans came and trashed talked each other every week, but I didn’t expect to get that and a great series to be invested in.

[@sirzacharyneil]

I love how Oliver has become the protagonist

[@ringding1000]

Your writing and story telling skills have become as good as anyone's on this planet. My hat's off to you!

[@Nissi4061]

The kitties slow blinking at Raymond 🥺

[@elisabethl7602]

Went to the Panthers - Bucs Lore Bowl…great game

[@ReaperCm]

I have never sat and waited for an episode of something like this since SoA and Vikings

[@Vikingsfan-hn1ds]

With every episode it gets more and more incredible that this series went from largely just jokes and puns about the respective team’s wins or losses, to each character having a defined character trait and backstories, and now we’re getting close to the season finale with potentially Elijah and Raymond’s well-being’s hanging in the balance. Tom, all respect to you sir, I’m completely onboard and loving every second of this ride

[@donkeykong4684]

Tom is by far one of the if not the best skit creator i have ever watch it makes me excited at the thought of one day Tom making a movie

[@Adam.Frazier]

Marvel could use some better story telling lately…

[@dylanjohnson9410]

I know we're in complete collapse, but i wanna win just to see how the next episode would go! Keep it up Tom!

[@arvidassburg4500]

16:48 One of the novels you'll see is called "Catch-22" by Joseph Keller. Catch-22 refers to a problem where the solution is blocked by the problem itself. In the story, a WWII bomb pilot was mentally insane, and thus didn't have to fly on any missions. However, in order to be excused from flying, you must ask for an evaluation. By evaluating, you are deemed sane, which was a major loophole in this rule. So he proceeded to fly on the missions despite being insane. The other novel is more well-known, and it's "Catcher in the Rye", by J.D. Salinger. A NY times bestseller. Catcher in the rye refers to someone who saves children from falling off a cliff, which is also a metaphor for adolescence to adulthood. The book is most popular for the very last line in the book- "Don't ever tell anybody anything. If you do, you start missing everybody." Theoretically, this means that Holden, the main character/narrator, made up all of the stories that take place within the book. For context, in the very first page of the book, Holden says, "Besides, I'm not going to tell you my whole goddam autobiography or anything. I'll just tell you about this madman stuff that happened to me around last Christmas just before I got pretty run-down and had to come out here and take it easy." Then, coming back to the last page, he explains, "I could probably tell you what I did after I went home, and how I got sick and all, and what school I'm supposed to go to next fall, after I get out of here." "Here" refers to the [mental] hospital. "Sick" refers to him being crazy. Holden was put here by his family when they found out none of his stories are true, and when he says the very last line in the book, he means that when he told his stories, his family (from his point of view) sent him away, and now he never gets to see them. Conclusion: Both novels at this timestamp involve the word "catch" and the main character being crazy. The first one is crazy, but has to be evaluated for it to be *crazy*, thus contradicting him truly being crazy, while the second one involves the main character making fake, yet incredibly realistic and believable stories, which leaves him isolated from his family and loved ones. I think Raymond believes he has gone mentally insane from how shitty the Colts are to his long-lost son dying without him getting to reunite; and now all he has left is Rocky, whom could in the end be another disappointment, much like he was to his son, and the Colts are to their fanbase (this coming from a Colts fan), which is why he wants to travel alone because he thinks nobody will believe him, and/or they'll be disappointed.

[@captaincaterpie]

catcher and the rye is also noted to be a book a lot of serial killers enjoy, saying its a "breeding book for serial killers" and its very interesting that the P.I. would be reading it, but i don't actually think its for that reason at all. because why would a P.I. be looking up books about crazy people? well he is hunting rocky, someone who was at one point insane and who killed his son so i think its more of research into insanity more than him being insane.

[@Rand0mGypsy]

Catch 22 is one lf my favorite books and I didn't expected that it would be a reference in some of Tom's videos, but well done. He's become an amazing writer indeed.

[@yimsane2855]

Why did this almost make me cry The character development of Seb is insane. What a wild ride

[@bubbywalleye8624]

This actually made me emotional

[@lonewolfjedi493osswfan]

With what has happened this week, I gotta give you some major props, Tom, this was another great episode, can’t wait to see what happens next week. Also, spotted kitty goes meow

[@redheadredemption1573]

It's going to be weird having these sagas wrap up by the divisional round

[@TheMrJourneyer]

Yeah - last year was the exception because multiple teams in both West divisions were poised to make deep playoff runs. In the East and now the South… not so much.

[@kimberlyfoust2815]

I'm going to be very sad that this series is ending, but looking forward to Coach Season 5

[@thelmagreenwood3377]

I look forward to this saga as much as any other event in my life.

[@kaitlyngraham825]

Amazing work as per usual Tom!!! Me and My Husband love your content and love the series you put together!! Keep it up!

[@dchaze420]

My mans you should legitimately be in Hollywood somewhere as an actor or writer cause this series, even back to the afc/nfc east days has been gold and I look forward to these coming out each week... thank you Tom for being such a legend

[@jourdanjones31]

Hat off to Tom been here since the beginning

[@bigoddo]

I have watched a lot of people talk to themselves on KZbin and you are by far the most convincing in my eyes.

[@jluchette]

I been waiting all week. Let’s. Frickin. …… FRACKIN….. …….. ……. ….. . GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@TreblehookGaming]

Goodbye Elijah the suffering won’t end 🥺

[@brandonstickels5435]

I hope Raymond mentions at some point that Lenny never told him and Oliver about Elijah's sermon

[@FormerlyAVM]

“I wake up extra early to be a hater” is an all timer. Also there are several fanfic novels that have Dobby as the main character it’s staggering.

[@peterflynn2111]

Excellent better than anything on the 5 TV Networks here in Australia .Been excellent and has made our Australian Rules Football off season more enjoyable

[@ormarrsclaw.9857]

Oliver sensed the Danger. And I'm really curious to see what happens to Greg

[@kimberlyfoust2815]

Why do I have the feeling he may change his mind and go with Mack?

[@canadianeaglez1258]

16:48 Catch-22 - Noun - a dilemma or difficult circumstance from which there is no escape because of mutually conflicting or dependent conditions. Nothing Tom adds in these are by accident.

[@canadianeaglez1258]

@Tom_grossi_ Ratio

[@hippolytabaker9559]

The pacing for this year is completely different from last-a lot darker, more skittering, more flitting looks out of the corners of eyes, comic relief sidelined into an unwanted hindrance. Really captured the feeling of this season. Everything feels more...closed. Like something's about to happen. Chomas's circle grows.

[@davispo7550]

You go, Greg

[@pikachuhutch234]

Well can’t wait for week 18.

[@pikachuhutch234]

But I’m a bit upset that JB and Bart are still jerks. Also people about Greg’s Villain Arc? Yeah Greg left so that means his character isn’t going to be evil.

[@gdduuhsstyhbbb]

Was expecting Seb to be arrogant and uppity like the tb12 bucs fans. But he nailed it, long time Bucs fans arent cocky right now, just hoping for a shot in the dark. Tom Grossi deserves an Oscar

[@matthewcrispinwordofGod]

He kind of was arrogant at the beginning of the series but once the Bucs started struggling and not doing so hot he kind of mellowed out and became a bit kinder. He kind of reminds me of Lenny from last year. He started out cocky and arrogant but as the Chiefs struggled at the beginng of last season it humbled him and made him a much kinder person.

[@ABCEasyas--]

I wanted to give Oliver a hug.

[@JarvisCosric885]

Nice job bro. Wish that Greg could have had a more positive outcome but oh well. Again, I love these fun videos

[@Kennb17]

I love how MAC's eye patch was on the other eye in the flashbacks, lol. (Unfortunately I'm not caught up on the entire series so I'm not sure if thats a thing or not)

[@mrraven7445]

Not a thing

[@EverythingTheorist]

Oh yeah! There's an explanation for that. (Spoilers for the West Saga below) Back when the flashbacks happened, Mack was just wearing an eye patch to match with the Captain and be his "first mate", so it's on his right eye, the same side as the Captain's eye patch. Then things fell apart, Mack survived a murder attempt, and his left eye was injured. So now he wears the eyepatch out of necessity. And for symbolism purposes, now it's on the opposite eye as the Captain's eye patch.

[@jourdanjones31]

Next level writing I can wait to see next weeks

[@kriger619]

I identify with Greg so much on so many different levels I actually feel like I'm being attacked by the other assholes.

[@ritzierjoker7959]

This series has been amazing keep it up Tom!

[@justanumber1839]

Dobby is the MC it all makes since now also the harry potter storyline has been my favorite subplot ever

[@johnlenhart1557]

The kitchen scene ought to win an award! Excellent execution all the way around!

[@lknpk15]

"The empty piñata is Brett Favre" wins line of the season 🤣🤣🤣

[@CobbRocky]

Hi there ✋ Rocky here 😂 But for real tho as a Bucs fan this series has been amazing 🤩 thank you!!

[@Kendogfourlife]

The empty piñata is Brett Favre 😂😂🤣🤣

[@juarick155]

Sad ending for Greg but the rest is just amazing

[@prestonlopez19]

I love that the Saints sound like Bobby Boucher

[@gustavomassi100]

Thank you for another great episode

[@SomajDaGoat]

As a Panthers fan I think I speak for all of us when I say “ Damn you Gregg!! “

[@benjaminharris4575]

"The pinata will never be whole again", pure poetry 9:06

[@deemariedubois4916]

I have no explanation, but that gave me goosebumps. Wow, just wow.

[@NortheasternRailroads]

Could I just say Tom every time you post it’s helping me through my pain and hardships Elijah that character is crazy enough that exact representation tell Oliver that sometimes I’ve learned that hope can be lost I lost myself I cut myself off from time to time and just hold on to all those feelings it’s hard but where there hope there’s a way I just don’t know if I’ll truly find a way out

[@chillinuts]

I've got Tom's glorious voices on surround sound

[@elijahdewar1584]

this shit so fire bro cant wait for next week

[@Dr-Jan-itor]

Raymond's over the shoulder look and look away with the GATO was perfect. (approx 18:30)

[@johnjarvis1221]

Found it! Tom is one of the scriptwriters for the games, so he can develop his storylines.

[@hawx_23]

Absolute gold! This entire saga has been incredible and can't wait for next week 💯🔥🙌🏻

[@Abbaschand]

Remember when I thought Eddie was the sanest one? Me neither.

[@stevenreadicker2777]

The Captain knows about Mac!!!!

[@CharMasterTCG]

What an episode!! Great as always

[@CinemaJacket]

When the camera moves it enhances everything sooooo much

[@anthonysolis3795]

Oh man this was so good at the end of the episode I went wait no way what is happening haha

[@sequoia1171]

Is there a chart or a cast list somewhere with everyone's names and what team they represent? Because some of the names it's obvious they were borrowed from franchise Legends or someone associated strongly with that franchise, such as Jerry for the 49ers.. I wish I knew all of them and why they were chosen

[@HufflepuffBaseball42313]

Raymond A. Colt was named after Ray Holt from Brooklyn Nine Nine

[@sequoia1171]

@@HufflepuffBaseball42313 that sounds plausible, but it also sounds possible that he could be named after Raymond James

[@MichaelPiz]

@@sequoia1171 More likely Raymond Berry.

[@sequoia1171]

@@MichaelPiz yes. Far more likely

[@kimberlyfoust2815]

There might be one on Reddit

[@MichaelPiz]

"I can't hear you " "Your headphones aren't even on!" [Bart slowly and silently puts his headphones on.] ----- "I can barely remember your name, Jeremy." [Greg gives J. B. an exasperated look. J. B. smirks at Greg.]

[@danielwhite3162]

I love this work, but I wonder what Tom's neighbours think of his rapid outfit changes to stitch this all together.

[@Stelladog0311]

I didn't catch on until last year at the end with the West teams, I've really enjoyed this, look forward to it every week. Well written and very entertaining, though I got to know if those cats are from the same litter

[@EverythingTheorist]

I'm pretty sure the cats are from the same litter! In-universe I don't think they've been named (yet), but out-of-universe the fluffier one is Nova and the short-furred one is Nebula.

[@kimberlyfoust2815]

They are littermates

[@bransag23]

Gotta love the arc with Raymond and the cats

[@jamesbailey4304]

I'm going through a rough time right now and by God did I need this

[@HolyHandGrenade.]

I can just imagine the cats just look at him like wtf are u doing man ?

[@SouthernArtist-gi8gr]

I love this too much!

[@nathanaeljackson8198]

I have been more invested in this story line than I have been the entire NFL season this year. Lol. Can’t wait to see what happens next! (Buccaneers fan)

[@user-gk9lg5sp4y]

Funny, the point of trying to rid yourself of desire and attachments is to learn that you can't

[@newloss]

awesome episode

[@thelemon5463]

Can't wait to see how the Infinity Grossi Wars pans out, Frederick vs Lenny

[@ethantaggart6605]

panthers nation here, depression is surround the land yet again

[@Green_Ninja325]

'I wake up extra early to be a hater' 😅 me too buddy, me too

[@jameswg13]

Oh that was a deep cut