The NFL’s greatest QB performances are actually better than they have us believe

[@SecretBaseSBN]

If you're a little lost, check out episode one of Scattered, which goes through this whole, bizarre, massive calculation Alex is running: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3aai2tqjNmnf8Usi=aYMT83CSsrNsG4su

[@deathlessgamer]

Given that passer rating has these artificial limits that you have mentioned in the previous episode it doesn't surprise me that some people surpass what is "perfect". That said I was definitely surprised by some no name quarterbacks being towards the top. Given what you have said about passer rating, it reminds me a lot of the game score metric in baseball. It can give two very different pitching performances the exact same number. When in reality they should be separated by a lot. I actually made my own version of baseball's gamescore metric. But people on Reddit said it was too "complicated".

[@SimuLord]

@@deathlessgamer Wait, let me get this straight. You made a _baseball stat_ that people thought was too complicated?! I did not think it was possible for such a thing to theoretically exist.

[@nickmcpimpson]

Okay but now where is Kyler Murray from W2 landing against the Rams... I need to look back at how rushing yards factor in

[@ryankasch5561]

I was right on the guess underneath Big Ben. I was searching for that Trubisky game and knew since I couldn't find it that it had to be hidden.

[@scottb.3905]

Another problem I have with passer rating is that it can penalize a QB for achieving all yards available to him. The only reason Josh Allen didn't have a "perfect" passer rating in the Bills' perfect offensive game against the Patriots in the 2022 WC is because his last TD pass was short enough that it dropped his Y/A just under the threshold. He was actively punished by the passer rating system for throwing a touchdown. Very silly stuff.

[@gmwdim]

And since passer rating does not account for rushing at all, Josh Allen's passer rating would have been better if he got sacked on that play than if he threw the TD pass.

[@kevinmoynihan5118]

Also it doesn't account for game situations. If QB A is 1/3 for 10 yards their passer rating is 43.75, if QB B is 3/3 for 9 yards it's 79.27. QB A picked up a first down QB B did not. Obviously that is a very small sample, that evens out for the most part over a larger sample but stuff like this not being account for does still add up and especially in today's increasingly pass happy NFL it can make some solid QBs appear to be elite difference makers when they in fact are not.

[@user-to9ge8ii9n]

Really highlights the shortcomings of this stat!

[@_helium_]

There’s a lot of shortcomings with passer rating, mainly it rewarding completed passes as effectively equal to yardage gained, which is braindead. A quarterback can throw a completed pass that gains negative yards and their passer rating would go up. Often times the correct thing to do is to throw it out of bounds, which universally lowers passer rating. Silly. Adjusted Net Yards Per Attempt remains king of traditional passing stats

[@poindextertunes]

yeah and passer rating doesn’t count rings either so it double sucks

[@sammillsy]

For those curious, Jared Goff's 18/18 game against Seattle netted him a "real" passer rating just above 190.0.

[@sammillsy]

The math: Passer rating is calculated as ((a + b + c + d)/6) x 100. For variable a, 100% completion percentage yields the highest possible value of 3.5; For variable b, 16.2 yards per attempt yields a value of 3.305; For variable c, a touchdown percentage of 11.1% yields a value of 2.222; For variable d, an interception percentage of 0% yields the highest possible value of 2.375. So a + b + c + d = 3.5 + 3.305 + 2.222 + 2.375 = 11.402. 11.402/6 = 1.9003333333. 1.9003333333 x 100 = Goff's "real" passer rating of 190.0 (when rounded).

[@irishjet2687]

For posterity, this was against Seattle on Sept. 30, 2024. Also, he CAUGHT a touchdown from Amon-Ra St. Brown on a 7-yard trick play. With only 18 attempts (vs. Geno Smith's 56), Goff's performance wouldn't qualify for this video, but it deserves praise. (So too does Smith's, but it wasn't close to "perfection.")

[@lanzsibelius]

Yes and even though he acomplished the perfect 100% completion, he didn't qualify for the "perfect" passer rating of 158.3 using the traditional method. (He didn't reach the ceiling of 11.875% touchdown percentage)

[@aditya.sagraha]

so you're saying Goff threw the ball too many times?

[@bendubz9000]

​@irishjet2687 just looked up what it would be if you add Amon-Ra's TD for a Team Uncapped Passer Rating. That additional attempt completed for a TD would boost the number to 203.6

[@jahaj2890]

16:11 "Some teams just get all the quarterback luck" when referring to the Bears is hilarious.

[@4QIcehole]

As a Bears fan of 30+ years, I sincerely want to give Alex a wedgie for that one lmao

[@Scorpious187]

Ruthless mockery of the franchise. That one stung. lol.

[@Hawkmanuno]

Hey, at least finally Justin Fields is giving the Bears the performance they've been wanting. *holds piece to ear* It has come to my attention that Justin Fields is giving his best and most stable performance for the Steelers, not the bears. But hey, at least you got an NFL-ready QB in No.1 draft pick Caleb Williams! *looks at some charts* Oh, guess he wasn't that NFL ready, and could have benefited from sitting behind a good vet...

[@Scorpious187]

@@Hawkmanuno I was saying all along, they should have traded the first overall pick to AZ and picked up MHJ. But then again, the O-line is trash again so we'll never know what Williams could have been like when we're having to scrape him up off the turf every other play.

[@chicagodude8888]

@@HawkmanunoThe guy with the 46 QBR? Yeah he’s not the answer independent of how Williams pans out.

[@jamesgilboy9302]

Can we get a round of fuckin applause for Alex putting together an epic series with himself at the top? Love your work with Jon, but I’m glad to see you get to shine on your own too ✨

[@user-to9ge8ii9n]

We stan professional development. ❤

[@lwandilemsiza8027]

A lot of people don't understand how truly transcendent the 2019 MVP campaign authored by Lamar was.

[@stdamonsbeard]

Too bad he can’t do it in the playoffs.

[@CadChamberlain]

Even just from a casual viewing perspective, it was really no question who the best player was. Similar to Cam Newton in 2015, Lamar took over the entire NFL world. And then he decided to do it again in 2023.

[@mars7304]

​@@stdamonsbeard He's had games with 400+ yards in the postseason just for his defense to sputter and his WRs to look like Walmart cashiers when it matters most. It's not him.

[@gbrow1604]

@@mars7304Are you talking about the game vs the Titans? Because those yards were almost all garbage against prevent defense. Until the Titans softened up Lamar had no TDs and 3 turnovers.

[@stdamonsbeard]

@@mars7304 He has 6 tds to 6 ints in the playoffs. And it’s not like he’s playing with bums. He has had more than enough support and has only won 2 playoff games.

[@CadChamberlain]

Some crazy additional notes about Lamar's TWO perfect passer rating performances vs the Dolphins: That 2019 beatdown of the Dolphins was so brutal that multiple defensive players on Miami requested trades, which is why Minkah Fitzpatrick became a Steeler. Lamar was on his way to having 3 perfect passer rating games vs the Dolphins in 2022, where he had a statline of 21/29 for 318 yards and 3 TDs. He also ran for 119 yards and TD that game. Unsurprisingly, given the team he plays for, the Ravens lost that game despite starting the 4th quarter up 35-14.

[@CadChamberlain]

If there was a way to quantify the rushing game into this metric, a game in which the player's team blew 3 TD lead could perhaps be the greatest statistical game in NFL history.

[@mars7304]

I remember watching that game. It wasn't because of the team he played for. Tyreek and Waddle torched our secondary, and we had injuries that led a 5th round rookie CB to be the only guy covering Tyreek on one of the most crucial TDs of the game. Honestly, Baltimore has given him one of the best opportunities to succeed. Only criticism you can make is not giving him an elite WR1, but that's essentially how Lamar sees Mark Andrews

[@CadChamberlain]

@@mars7304 Ravens defense gave up 4 straight touchdowns drives, and 5 in the last 6. I said it 'given the team he plays for' because this team has a very significant tendency to fall apart with big leads. This game is the best example of that.

[@CadChamberlain]

Some of those late game struggles can definitely be put on Lamar, like his lone loss to an NFC team in his career where he randomly threw a jump ball to former defensive lineman Pat Ricard with less than 3 minutes left and threw a pick to lose to the Giants. But the majority of the late game shenanigans are rooted in bad coaching, penalties, and conservative playcalling. If Lamar wasnt as great as he is, there would be plenty more choked leads on John Harbaugh's resume, as hes made countless game sealing plays to stop the opposing comebacks.

[@CadChamberlain]

@@mars7304 Its a pattern without Lamar too. Who can forget Tyler Huntley's emergency start vs the Bears in which the Ravens lost the lead in the final minute of the game because they ran an all-out blitz on 4th and long and let their injured practice squad corner get cooked by their fastest receiver? They magically survived that blunder to win after a miraculous drive from Huntley, so Harbaugh never had to face the fire for that one.

[@ineedaface9250]

I can't believe Nathan Peterman didn't have a game with a 195+ actual passer rating! Unfathomable!

[@TheAndyk123]

Yeah, that part blew my mind. I thought for sure Nathan GOATerman had at least a few of those.

[@jgray2718]

Don't worry, I suspect he'll show up in the next video in the series.

[@chicagodude8888]

I don’t think it’s that high if you add up his pr in every one of his starts.

[@Games-tx1zc]

That little Brock Purdy cluster is nuts. That team was cooking at that point.

[@KMcNally117]

But one bad game against the Ravens gave away his MVP chances to Lamar Jackson.

[@mars7304]

​@@KMcNally117 to be fair, it was the worst game of his season against a Baltimore team that was a huge underdog playing IN SF.

[@The_Red_Comet]

​@@mars7304in what universe was that Ravens team a huge underdog? They were the number 1 seed in the AFC

[@mars7304]

​@@The_Red_Comet dude you can Google the Vegas odds at that time. Ravens were underdogs vs the 49ers who were the #1 seed in the NFC. Don't correct me when you're a Google search away from the answer.

[@metal100k]

​@@KMcNally117 to be fair that performance was far more than just a bad game. I think he threw 4 picks. He was gifting the Baltimore defense on christmas.

[@ryanschumacher2043]

that Lamar guy is sure on here a lot for a guy they say can't pass

[@postverifiedlifestyle]

Tom brady, peyton manning seal of approval? Nope, he’s a runningback. Nfl fans blow my mind

[@MrXBurneracct]

​@@postverifiedlifestyle doubters will watch this and still engage in mental gymnastics to try n prove their opinion is worth more than HoF QBs 😂

[@postverifiedlifestyle]

@@MrXBurneracct That exact reason is why i don’t involve myself in nfl debates with random people online anymore. Much more fun to just talk/watch with your friends/people you know in my opinion

[@joshuabrown2134]

bro you watch him play and he is one of THE most accurate qbs... its crazy how you can have the best passer rating of all time, 2 mvps; even though the TRIED to make him switch positions, OH, and a heisman.. like i said its fkn closet racism and its annoying asf...

[@joshuabrown2134]

@@postverifiedlifestyle of course to yt men... as a tom brady fan fuck both of their approval and they both have gave him his roses several time so fk are you talking about.. they cant shut up about him and mahomes especially manning at times... like man be quiet...

[@holstorrsceadus1990]

NGL, the last vid was shorter than I expected and I didn't fully get my chart fix. Welcome back friendly neighborhood chart dealer. I'll take your entire stock of charts, please.

[@RandyHawkeye]

My name is Randy, and I am also a chart junkie. 📊 📈 📊

[@user-to9ge8ii9n]

We're serious about success. 📈📊🤤

[@BigBlack81]

@user-to9ge8ii9n ...and that's Pretty Good. 📈📊✊🏿💯🤣

[@FrancisTha1st]

For those curious on the too-recent-to-be-included, Kyler Murray had a perfect game on September 15th, 2024. Disregarding the illusory and unnecessary barriers of the original formula, we find that Kyler Murray, helped mostly by his three touchdowns on just 21 attempts, had a real passer rating of 169.9.

[@gmwdim]

Nice

[@user-to9ge8ii9n]

Nice

[@joshuabrown2134]

another great qb who gets hated on

[@SimuLord]

Lynn Dickey's 1983 season stands out like a neon sign in a cornfield if you look on Pro Football Reference. Compared to the rest of his career, it was absolutely bananas.

[@fortynights1513]

The year after had almost the same passer rating on lower volume too. Interestingly Dickey played for 15 years and his third and second to last years are where he passed his most efficiently.

[@llenin6767]

@@fortynights1513 So much of his early career was lost to horrendous injuries.

[@stevenjungbluth640]

Lynn Dickey was a man with HOF talent held back by injuries and a horrendous supporting cast.

[@hanschristopherson8056]

Funny how the guy who was told by scouts to switch to wide receiver has the highest single game passer rating

[@mars7304]

Shows how much "scouts" know

[@coryshannon3815]

A bunch of people still want to critcize Jackson, as though he isn't the most talented QB the Ravens have had since moving from Cleveland.

[@Zack_410]

And people still wanna call him an RB and question his IQ

[@Zack_410]

​@@coryshannon3815Yep. Just happy my team has him. I was dumbfounded he fell to 32 but I'm happy he did.

[@poindextertunes]

@@Zack_410playoff wins? forcing him to throw the ball NEVER goes well. what are we even talking about? lmao

[@panadatm]

Thanks for reminding me of the alternate universe where Teddy Bridgewater doesnt get a career changing injury.

[@Pizzawarrior96]

Vikings win the Superbowl against the Broncos in 2015

[@CadChamberlain]

Lamar Jackson is a good quarterback I think

[@mrwenzie]

lamr jackson

[@bigpoppa1234]

how many world series has he won tho

[@briangruenewald7536]

“Not bad for a running back!” 💜🖤

[@notmelenda]

@@bigpoppa1234 i bet he's never even been to the world cup

[@bigpoppa1234]

could probably go to the next one!

[@ikepigott]

…and yet Jared Goff goes 18-18 for 292 yards, 2 TDs, and NOT A PERFECT PASSER RATING

[@KD555]

FWIW, he wouldn't make the list here anyway as there's a 20 att minimum, unlike the ridiculous official NFL mark of 10. Getting a "perfect game" for 8/10 and 2 TDs is a travesty.

[@SpencerWiles]

“Not even Nate Peterman did so.” 😂 I love this channel. ❤️

[@allan526alec428]

4 days after this was uploaded Jared Goff threw 18/18 for 292 yards and 2 tds, due to low td percentage he had an artificial 155.8, shy of perfection by a bit, but he had an actual 189.9 (if we round up it’s a 190.0 since it’s 189.95) better than that October 10th Warner game, meaning that despite not being perfect it is better than nearly 3/4ths of alleged “perfect” games, despite falling short of perfection.

[@SecretBaseSBN]

tinyurl.com/msn4ca8y doesnt need rounding :)

[@beefkake5]

Boy the early comment section of a Secret Base video is a hellscape. Great video!

[@paulmullinax4353]

Watching this video one day before Jared Goff went 18/18 for 292 and 3tds really put things in perspective

[@chaosof99]

For people who are unaware, a Googolplex is a10^10^100, which is a number so large that if you were to divide it by the number of particles in the observable universe (~10^90), you'd have equal segments that are still basically a googolplex in size each.

[@OWqueensara]

For the third time this season, Lamar Jackson has played a “beyond perfect” game. Earlier this season he had a 195.5 that was registered as a 158.1 plus a 186.3 which registered as a 158.3, and now with his game against the Giants being complete, he has added a 187.1 which registered as a 154.6.

[@gasaidjohn3499]

This is too good of a topic to not have been done earlier. Glad somebody at Secret Base got around to noticing

[@centofonti]

"Lamar can't pass though" thats my goat fuck what everyone else say

[@dereklasker5350]

Josh Allen better but Lamar is legit

[@jayharris2918]

​@@dereklasker5350Josh Allen doesn't have a game that's sniff lamars 2nd best day let alone his best

[@dereklasker5350]

@@jayharris2918 lol saying this now of all times after Josh has clearly been the best QB in the league this year is certainly a take…but he was better than Lamar last year and his 2021 season was better than any season by any active QB not named Mahomes or Rodgers

[@jayharris2918]

@@dereklasker5350 he wasn't better than lamar last year. Lol last year Josh was 8 turnovers away from sharing a honor with another qb who had a great statistical season except for 30 turnovers. Ps if yall actually watch ravens football yall would know that their very philosophy along with John Harbaugh dwarfs qb stats its not a Lamar can't throw thing it's a ravens won't let them. Remember Joe Flacco, their arnt 2 quarterbacks in his Era with a bigger arm in an Era where 5000 yards passing was casual he's never thrown for more the 4400 let that sink in. Drew Brees with less talent threw for 5000 in 2008. The Ravens are the reason you think Josh is better than Lamar when he's never been and will never be. PS lamars 2019 season was dwarfed by John he set Lamar for a game and a half worth of quarts.

[@dereklasker5350]

@@jayharris2918 I’m not saying Lamar is a bad QB, I’m just saying Josh is better. Josh was so elite at creating TDs that the turnovers really didn’t hurt that much. Lamar also got way more help from his receivers actually getting open which Josh’s didn’t do, especially when they had an OC who had no clue how to scheme them open (saw a graph that proved this on twitter the other day but obviously not posting here)

[@ExhaustedElox]

I never understood why there were guardrails on the Passer Rating stat. Don't you want a true metric?

[@hitchikerspie]

It was made in the 70s to award the NFL passing title, since previously it was just done on passing yards. The numbers are chosen because they’re easy to compute on a slide rule using log tables. Passer rating was never designed to be used on single game samples, but for season long totals, where it’s prohibitively hard to qualify (14 passes per team game) *and* have a value over 2.375 or below 0 on a season long basis

[@saydaddy91]

@@hitchikerspiefollowing up on this when passer rating was was first introduced it was in an era where QBs regularly threw for more interceptions than touchdowns (Sammy Baugh, Bobby Layne, and Bob Waterfield all made the HOF despite the fact that they threw more interceptions than touchdowns) i can imagine that they didn’t think that players would reach these numbers today

[@user-to9ge8ii9n]

​@@hitchikerspieWhile I think the incredulous tone is enjoyable, I appreciate knowing why the (presumably) smart people determined it how they do. Thanks!

[@noahbaden90]

​@@hitchikerspie okay, but that doesn't explain why there's an artificial ceiling/floor. Just because it's basically impossible for a baseball player to have a 1.000 average for more than a game doesn't mean that we limit average to 0.583

[@hitchikerspie]

@@noahbaden90 Yes it does! It was calculated on slide rules before calculators. If you've never used a slide rule and log tables that's fine, but they're not unlimited, and is a large part of why the numbers chosen got capped. Especially since this capping was never going to happen on a season long level, it's essentially just a way to bound the stat, otherwise a perfect score wouldn't exist.

[@blueredlover1060]

And those games by Lamar doesn't account for his rushing stats. He's an absolute weapon of a QB.

[@postverifiedlifestyle]

The reason he gets hated on is beyond me. Objectively the second most accomplished qb of this generation and it’s not even remotely close. No off the field controversies, does good things for his community People just hate change. They hate seeing someone do something in an unconventional way and have success at it. But oh well I seriously think that mahomes being in the league is dumbing down how good lamar allen and burrow really are, 3 all time great quarterbacks

[@fortynights1513]

@@postverifiedlifestyleThe reason he’s marked down by some is because he hasn’t performed at the same level in a playoff setting. Not sure if I’m in that camp, but that’s most likely why.

[@postverifiedlifestyle]

@@fortynights1513 See thats where the criticisms make the least sense, because he HAS performed at the same level in the playoffs. He's been better than josh allen in the playoffs since 2022. Has a better record past the wildcard round as well. He just doesnt get the benefit of beating up on 7 seeds because hes been the 1 seed twice in his career. Playoff games are largely decided due to coaching. Players can only do so much, and with a known choker of a coach, it just makes no sense. Anyone who's really done the research can see through those dumb claims, they just get regurgitated by people who cant admit they were wrong about him before he got drafted.

[@postverifiedlifestyle]

@@fortynights1513 Just to show it Lamar jackson past the wildcard since 2021: 67/107 62.6% completion 272 YPG 5 TDs 2 INTs 1-2 Josh allen past the wildcard since 2021 51/81 273.5 YPG 62.9% completion 3 TD 1 INT 0-2 yet only one of these players is branded as a "playoff choker". Let me also say that i think josh is an elite qb as well, i'm just saying the criticisms lamar gets simply arent valid anymore. In 2019/20? Sure. Now? No. People simply just hate seeing an unconventional quarterback win. Thats it

[@theghosty99]

​@@postverifiedlifestyle People also forget that due to injury he's only played in two playoff games since 2021. They're comparing playoff games in 2018 and 2019 to him now in 2024.

[@serisothikos]

I love when people normalize stats by pretending outliers are identically irrelevant (here, by flattening the numbers directly) instead of creating exponentially steeper curves so the uniqueness of each outlying value can still be acknowledged. It's such sloppy napkin math.

[@ryanward6866]

This kind of pedantry is the reason I love KZbin. Nice video, guys.

[@TheoBraddock]

seeing this after jared goff goes 18/18 with 2 TDs and 300 yards lmao

[@MustangWarrior07]

I will be pushing my Lynn Dickey narrative using this video

[@DSPIRACY]

i love this channel so much. i think i've watched every video so far. literally

[@crystalfelts2404]

Basketball has true shooting. We now have True Passer rating 😤

[@adamcoe]

Ha, watching this in the dying minutes of the Lions/Seahawks game where Jared Goff has zero incompletions. How absolutely perfect. Alex, Jon and all at Secret Base are the gold standard and they prove it on the regular.

[@nishanthsubramaniam7451]

On Monday, Jared Goff poked a hole in the one artificial bound of this video - 20 passing attempts. A quarterback going 18-for-18 is simply unprecedented, and is probably as close to perfect as you can claim. His "true" rating would be 190.04, and his artificial one was 155.8

[@KD555]

You have to put a minimum somewhere to make it credible, and 20 pass attempts is much more rational than the official 10 of the NFL.

[@topatoman]

I think the way to do this is to look at the stats if he had just thrown the ball into the dirt twice to hit 20 pass attempts. it would make the score lower obviously, but a minimum has to be somewhere and you can't just ignore it when someone has an unbelievable performance that's just short on volume

[@KD555]

@@topatoman 18 of 19 has been done before. The record for one incompletion unsurprisingly belongs to Brees, 29 of 30 (with 4 TDs) in 2019, his penultimate season. He was almost 41 at the time.

[@learn2xpand862]

@@KD555why do you keep belittling this achievement? lol no one cares Brees did it, it wasn’t perfect and Goff’s was

[@KD555]

@@learn2xpand862 I am not belittling the achievement, I'm saying it make sense not to include it here. You know what was the previous 100% mark? Warner with 10/10 and 1 TD (in a loss btw). Isn't that perfect too?

[@HenryZhoupokemon]

What is Goff's adjusted QBR tonight? He was 18/18 for 292 yards and 2 TDs

[@SecretBaseSBN]

tinyurl.com/msn4ca8y 190

[@HenryZhoupokemon]

@@SecretBaseSBN and he caught a TD too!

[@dstinnettmusic]

The thing with Lamar is that his best games never show up in the stats. His best games in his career end in him getting benched in the 4th quarter. Games like this past one aren’t that good, but he still was clearly the best player in the field despite his numbers looking like a college QB failing to transition into the NFL. Dude looks like Madden on Rookie irl

[@a-part]

Love those graphs. Cheers from patagonia !

[@austinshook7289]

Lamar has 5 games above "perfect" in just 5 seasons with some of the best qbs ever being the only 5 ahead of him. All of this while averaging 61 yards rushing PER GAME for his entire career.

[@KD555]

Do we have a 3rd Lamar game over 200? 17-of-22 for 281 and 5 TDs, and this time it's not against the Dolphins.

[@SecretBaseSBN]

tinyurl.com/4mzhdnn7 close!

[@JCintheBCC]

To me, the Lynn Dickey stat is the perfect example of how good an "average" professional athlete is. Given the right team, the right opponent, the right opportunity, anyone good enough to be in the Pros can put together great performances. The "great" players have the breadth of skills to do it more often, sure. But I think we forget what it really means to be the (for example) 26th best in the world at something.

[@airrboii20]

Imagine the producer's frustration when GOFF throws the perfect game 4 days or so later. Now it would likely top the Lamar game.

[@postverifiedlifestyle]

It came in at a rating of 190. It didn’t top it YPA, Yards, and touchdowns are the most important factors for passer rating. 100% accuracy vs 85-90% accuracy isn’t seen as much different

[@hughmungus1743]

This is just the Lynn Dickey video, and i love it

[@Rylan_Korpi]

11 of the 32 current teams in the NFL have a QB that has thrown for at least 2 _actual_ perfect passer rating games. The only one not starting is Russell Wilson (3).

[@blueredlover1060]

To be entirely fair to Russ, last I knew he was injured, which is why he's not starting.

[@griffinjones9578]

You've scratched a real stat itch with this one Alex. I can't wait for more episodes!

[@JackGamesTooMuch]

This is the definition of PREMIUM Secret Base content. Well played, sir. 👏

[@aDSdl_l]

Crazy that they dropped this 4 days before Jared Goff goes 18 for 18 💀

[@user-im7qg5qs6j]

So in 2016, Matt Ryan had the best QB passing performance in a SB since Steve Young, and a top 5 performance of all time

[@MrXBurneracct]

I wish i could insert this vid in the comments whenever someone says Lamar is not a "real QB" or "can't throw" 😂

[@anth9845]

This is such a random fight to pick I love you Secret Base.

[@liamgibson6949]

Actually LOLed at the Nathan Peterman reveal

[@joebuckfan]

Lynn Dickey deserves to be in the Hall of Fame!

[@fortynights1513]

Solid career but I don’t think I’d go that far.

[@dfp_01]

Hey Alex! Can you do another series like this on OPS? Maybe you don't think it sucks as much as I do, but it certainly doesn't make any kind of mathematical sense. Adding up two numbers whose denominators are entirely different stats? Weighing each total base from a hit close to twice each base taken via walk, HBP, etc.? Having no inclusion of RBI or SB/CS in _any_ capacity? Wild. And they made it worse when they introduced OPS+, because instead of making it 50 * (OBP/lgOBP + SLG/lgSLG), for some unknown reason they settled on 100 * (OBP/lgOBP + SLG/lgSLG) - 100, which makes -100 the lowest possible OPS+ instead of 0, for a stat that is _supposed_ to represent what percentage of average a hitter is. Now, I'm of the mind that every + stat should be weighed relative to defensive position rather than the whole league, but even if you don't think that, OPS+ is pretty ridiculous.

[@StartCodonUST]

I knew this was coming. Mitch Trubisky's annihilation of Tampa Bay was such a high that the hangover afterwards may have caused permanent damage as the Bears tried and failed for the next few years to replicate a performance which surely must have been the work of the supernatural.

[@fortynights1513]

How good was the Tampa Bay defense he did that against?

[@beepboopboop]

​@@fortynights1513 I had to sit through every game and they were dog awful. The 2018 Bucs defense was 31st in points against, 27th in yards allowed, 28th in turnover%, dead last in redzone%, last in QB hurries, and so on.

[@preachrfnm]

After having watched the past few weeks, and tonight being a lions fan, I was ready for the passer rating bull by writers. You have opened my eyes but made me a critic lol

[@Gillymonsterproductions]

Now you gotta add the Jared Goff game that just happened.

[@JeshuaB13]

the bears in connection to "some teams just get all the quarterback luck" 😂😂😂 thank you for another banger video!

[@rdaughty306]

As a Bears fan, that QB luck joke cut deep. Great video

[@bradashcroft1172]

Anyone else back here after Goff went 18/18

[@foxtrotknowsbest1804]

I really like that you’re bringing this up, I thought the system has always been way too harsh on QB’s for interception and drives them to play safe and throw check downs instead of going for the big flashy plays we all know and love

[@adrianpilcher703]

Jared Goff, welcome to a moment in history.....Good timing, guys. Edit episode 3.

[@justaspidercrab]

aw hell yeah i love lynn dickey. his show DAVE rocks

[@Peter55855]

This whole video is so enthralling, then boom! Comedy gold at 16:09 🤣

[@mars7304]

Lamar has had a FEW games where he's made the QB position look like its the easiest on the field. Hate all you want, he's got time left to get a ring and if he does he is an immediate HOF lock

[@lwandilemsiza8027]

Already getting fitted for a jacket

[@mavhimself]

As a Ravens fan, I’ve seen every game Lamar has played in the NFL & the one guarantee we have is that at least 2-3 times a season, Lamar will take over a game & make an NFL defense, some of the best athletes on the planet, look absolutely helpless. The playoff stuff is frustrating, yes, but it’s been a unique pleasure of my football watching life to see this guy play quarterback

[@mars7304]

​@@mavhimself You're right, it's annual tradition at this point for some primetime match up to be turned into a blowout just because Lamar woke up that day feeling different. He'll turn it around in the playoffs, it's not even his fault he hasn't won very much. He'll go for like 400+ yards on his own just for his OL to allow a strip sack or some backup WR to tip a ball in the air for the defense. It's truly just some horrible postseason luck so far.

[@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1]

I honestly believe when Lamar is on his game he’s probably the most devastating weapon at QB in NFL history It literally becomes glitch in the matrix type stuff

[@postverifiedlifestyle]

He already is a HOF lock ngl. Want him to get a ring, but a 2x mvp (as well as all the other stuff he’s done) is a lock for canton. Only 9 guys have ever done it. (Or maybe 11, might be getting the numbers wrong)

[@gusthegoat250]

at 7:39 it should be 21st century, otherwise amazing video and great statistical representation

[@SecretBaseSBN]

nope, 20th (1900s) is what's factual

[@tschonman1164]

15:22 all bears fans remember that game. When you said 2018 I was looking for his name up there

[@johnciolfi5085]

It’s probably not feasible, but it would be interesting to see if there were a way to prorate some of these ratings depending on when the QB played his last snap - so that Lamar game against the Dolphins, or Brady destroying the Titans in a little over one half in 2009, could have even more insane numbers.

[@RD743033]

I’m loving this series

[@ADL21]

Always good to see that LAMR JACKSON has the 2 most efficient passing games. Not bad for a running back haha!

[@Austin101123]

Now show Jared Goff's performance. And what if you include his receiving TD in with this passer rating? I bet he's the only beyond perfect that also has a receiving TD.

[@thenumberquelve158]

The Packers' voodoo when it comes to quarterbacks goes deeper than I thought. Amazing to think Lynn Dickey, if he was *really* on, could be up there with Starr, Favre, Rodgers and Love.

[@LTfisch]

15:27 I guessed correctly and he still said I was wrong 😭

[@kamali2593]

This is great viewing. Extremely well-written too

[@mayitakeyourhatsir8632]

i just want everyone to look at this clip at 2:06. brian flores got this dolphins team to beat the 12-3 patriots in a week 17 game that mattered. him getting that team to 5 wins was a goddamn miracle

[@UniqueNameHere]

I've seen enough. Mitch Trubisky is the greatest qb of all time

[@OWqueensara]

After a true rating of 195.5 which was called 158.1 due to the artificial restrictions just two weeks ago, Lamar Jackson has done it again. Today he produced a true rating of 186.3, which was called a “perfect” 158.3 due to the restrictions, but wouldn’t be on this chart due to throwing 1 fewer pass than the required 20.

[@sethmadson6592]

better analyitcs create more layers, but my favorite part is that they highlight the Lynn Dickeys, showing there might have been more than meets the eye, while, giving better context around players who now have "a perfect passer raiting" game, esspecially young talent and aging out talent. That perfect label doesn't mean a lot the way it stands.

[@user-cw1ht6vc4k]

2024! “The year were all will be exposed!” Kat Williams ~Here for it 😂😂😂

[@steelcurtain187]

Interesting stuff. Good work!

[@Dryice36]

Lamr Jackson

[@markjackson6431]

Rewinder: 2006 Orange Bowl 3OTs Beef History: Lindros vs Flyers Organization Overlap: Greatest College Football Coach (Saban) and the Greatest NFL Coach (Belichick) coaching in the same division Beef History: Michael Jordan and Isiah Thomas Beef History: Phil Jackson and Pat Riley Untitled: Reggie Miller Untitled: Barry Sanders Untitled: Carl Yastrzemski Untitled: Ted Williams Untitled: Jim Kelly Collapse: Early 90s Bills Collapse: 1987-2000 Seminoles Rewinder: 2012 Olympic 100m Men’s Final Rewinder: The Catch By Willie Rewinder: Wide Right I, Wide Right II Rewinder: Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds breaking the respective HR record(s) Untitled: Don Nelson

[@PUDRETE919]

True greatness clearly lies within the average performance being great than ever producing a truely exceptional one

[@mldempsey25]

0:27 so true. Just ask Jared Goff.

[@blokkstxrlyfe]

wow so lamar jackson is legit one of the greatest QBs of all time

[@postverifiedlifestyle]

Top 10 of all time.

[@funnyltop]

ayyy shoutout Lynn Dickey EMAW

[@IamDevron]

Elite video and great execution

[@jfrieds]

"Some teams get all the quarterback luck" You're a sick man for that

[@Pizzawarrior96]

What I take away from this is that Brock Purdy is truly an elite QB

[@vsauce4678]

He's real good. But many real good QBs with 3 top 40 wrs and a top 5 te and a top 3 RB and a top 3 play caller and a top 3 defense can and would put up numbers.

[@fortynights1513]

He’s put together excellent efficiency on his best days.

[@fortynights1513]

@@vsauce4678How about back half of the top ten right now?

[@madden72]

Great series

[@dzeniscampara8137]

Technically lamar had the best passing game of all time then?!? 🤔

[@postverifiedlifestyle]

Nope, he can’t throw!

[@colincraigo5793]

I was at that Mitch Trubisky game

[@JCH2768]

Huge credit to Lynn Dickey for doing it in era where it was much tougher to achieve those kind of ratings.

[@RandyHawkeye]

The CJ Stroud / Jordan Love singularity is probably my favorite part of this.

[@eddyg3]

As a Lamar fan and stat nerd, this series is absolutely amazing. Can y'all please publish 'accurate' passer ratings on a weekly + yearly basis? I would much rather see these true/proper uncapped numbers as opposed to crap like ESPN's subjective/garbage/complex QBR, which doesn't even have Lamar's top game against the Phins in their top 50.

[@DynastyTim]

I watched this whole video worried you weren't going to address Mitch in 2018...you did not disappoint.

[@doktorwort]

They need to add a stat that references air yards. A 60 yard td that was caught at the line should count less in QB rating than one that the QB threw 50 yards down field.

[@willhennessy864]

I'm glad someone is finally talking about Louisville as a QB Factory.

[@jellydonut0]

Me: It’s Trubisky Narrator: You’re wrong. It’s Trubisky. Me: 🙂‍↔️

[@niczaiser2341]

The other benefit of this analysis is by rectifying the rating to be accurate to actual statistics, you get to see the uptilt in the last 60 years in rating. The vast majority of the 180+ are in the last 15 years, and there are fewer of the "really" low ones... the axis clearly runs lower left to upper right for median. (as you would expect in a league working hard to push offense)

[@karlputz6721]

I have not laughed so hard in a very long time as when I heard "some teams just get all the quarterback luck". Sid Luckman in the 40's was the last Bears All-Pro QB.