Oh boy my opinion on the Niche Duo has finally dropped
@mohammmedaj50825 ай бұрын
Same
@photonicpizza14665 ай бұрын
Me: "I like the colour scheme, looks pretty nice" James: "The blue, the silver and the black don't work for me. It's not beautiful as a kind of colour palette to me." Me: "Oh yeah, I don't like that at all"
@CJski5 ай бұрын
@@photonicpizza1466😂😂
@tomspotley57335 ай бұрын
Same. I was absolutely fine with it until he mentioned it and now it repulses me.
@goromajima76775 ай бұрын
@@tomspotley5733I mean yeah because if James Hoffman told me to jump off a bridge I probably would
@rogainepahdilla6445 ай бұрын
“I have no complaints, that doesn’t mean I have NO complaints.” A very coffee person thing that should be on a shirt.
@LordWaterBottle5 ай бұрын
Something not having anything wrong with it is very different from something doing everything right.
@Newominus5 ай бұрын
That would be great if it wasn't quoted incorrectly.
@Charlesb885 ай бұрын
There is a difference between having no “deal-breaker” level complaints vs having absolutely no complaints whatsoever (i.e. it perfect) about a product. Few new products in life are perfect out of the gate but some are good enough that you can ignore the more minor complaints overall and recommend it overall. Now because this is a product review, we expect him to point out the minor issue he might have with the product even if non of them prevent him from recommending the product. Thus “I have no complaints, that doesn’t mean I have no complaints.” Is just another way of saying “the only complaints I have are relatively minor overall and don’t preclude me from recommending the product.”.
@kori2285 ай бұрын
15:26 well yeah but he's talking about the burr set at first, then about the machine as a whole. "I have no complaints about the quality of the filter coffee from the Niche Duo with the filter specific burr set. This is a very light roast, quite hard to extract coffee. It's done a really good job with it here. On that front, I have no complaints, but that doesn't mean I have no complaints. "
@lucasgastondiez40805 ай бұрын
james get this on a shirt and you'll be rich
@raw7605 ай бұрын
These grinder and coffee related reviews have reached the level of Hi-Fi reviews, with charts and all. Both are convoluted, potentially expensive and I have no complaints.
@tstanley015 ай бұрын
and like HIFI sets, unless you have heard 100 different sets and hear these two side by side, you probably can't tell a difference...G.A.S. is a real thing
@avokkrii5 ай бұрын
that single missed bean at 4:04 saddened me
@DavidOakesMusic5 ай бұрын
Bean Not Found.
@silpheedTandy5 ай бұрын
that little bean will never fulfill its aromatic life purpose 😢. poor little dude will probably work an unfulfilling office job for the rest of its life until retirement, wondering what its life would be like if only fate brought it a few centimeters closer to its target.
@darkmann125 ай бұрын
LOL@@DavidOakesMusic
@housey42975 ай бұрын
it was picked up off camera and dropped in when no one was looking. (It wasn't, but worried about people sleeping tonight)
@jamesspinks7165 ай бұрын
That bean made it into the grinder just not on video, James misses nothing!
@markberger20615 ай бұрын
Genuine LOL at “I don’t like the blue”, never change James, never change….. (happy Niche Zero owner with no buyers remorse after seeing this!)
@billhanna21485 ай бұрын
You LIKE the blue ??😲😱😮
@markberger20615 ай бұрын
@@billhanna2148I could care less to be honest, simply the usual James details that’s the chuckle 😅
@Hiltok5 ай бұрын
@@markberger2061While we are nit-picking, the rest of the English speaking world would greatly appreciate the demise of the Americanism "could care less" when what you mean is "couldn't care less".
@Tbass175 ай бұрын
I also don’t like the blue and almost three years into Zero ownership I have found reaffirmation in my choice to keep it
@bubbatom15304 ай бұрын
I don't "like" it either, but that wouldn't have been my largest consideration. Yet, after the original beautiful Niche Zero, I can see it being distracting. The original is like a work of art for a grinder. I haven't had, or seen nearly as many to compare, but it is probably the most beautiful appliance I have. I'm normally a function over form guy and I love the reddit BIFL forum, but the original set an unusual president in this area; It was/is both and most likely BIFL too! I mean I grind under 40 grams a day, on burrs that were meant to be used commercially, grinding, possibly, many pounds a day for what years? Will any of us, ever need to change the burrs? I wouldn't think so, but I haven't done any math. 😋😀
@TheMrCazano5 ай бұрын
As a data nerd, I would've loved to see the difference between the espresso burrs and the filter coffee burrs in the particle analyzer! Also a comparison with the EG-1 particle profile would've been great to learn why that grinder is able to make both great espresso and filter coffee, while the Niche filter coffee burrset wasn't. It's a good video, but I would love to learn a bit more and dive a bit deeper into the analysis to understand what variables are responsible for making great coffee.
@ArronMcKoy5 ай бұрын
This is actually the answer. All our favour KZbinrs are only a single person reviewing stuff. Looking at the data in depth and then a bunch of blind tasting (actually blind grind analysis would be interesting too - can we actually see a consistent difference?)
@dtonpbac5 ай бұрын
Then the video would have been too long. I think he also didn't want to go too nerdy or get overly technical about a single grinder.
@greysuit175 ай бұрын
I’m interested in this too! Come on James go all Lance Hedrick on this topic man! The nerds demand this! Respectfully of course.
@TheMrCazano5 ай бұрын
@@dtonpbacI understand your point of view, but isn't the whole premise of the Niche Duo that you have two different burrsets? It seems so clear to me to test the differences so you'll know if it is worth an upgrade from the Niche Zero. James uses the particle analyzer to compare one of the burrs with the EG-1, so clearly he has thought of doing some comparison, but I can't help but feel the video was a bit rushed as there is so much more to explore to give a proper review. Especially since he has the equipment to test it.
@macsarcule5 ай бұрын
Yes!!!!
@aggeman25 ай бұрын
”We’ll pull some shots, we’ll taste them. We’ll make some filtercoffe, we’ll drink that too”. This cadence, almost poetry like, really stood out to me, just now, as a marker of the thought and quality that separates you from the rest of the field. Keep on rocking!
@TheOriginal_BigMac5 ай бұрын
It's the meter I think you're referring to rather than the cadence
@danielnarbett5 ай бұрын
@@TheOriginal_BigMac everyone's a critic 😅
@purepepsii5 ай бұрын
You have no idea how much my wallet is thanking you for confirming that my Niche Zero is still a great choice 😂
@armandobenavidez56825 ай бұрын
I'm waiting for the price to drop now and get a Zero without the fomo.
@CarlosVargas-js8qz5 ай бұрын
lol my thoughts exactly
@docfink5 ай бұрын
After one year of using the "Niche-killer", AKA DF83, or as I call it, the "POS", I went ahead and bought the Zero. I should have done this one year ago and couldn't be happier with that damn, cute and functional espresso grinder!
@jeremypaulskinner5 ай бұрын
@@docfink what didn't you like about the DF? I have the Niche Zero and definitely experience 'flat-burr envy'.
@docfink5 ай бұрын
@@jeremypaulskinner Get over your “envy”. It’s a Chinese-designed and fabricated piece of ill -constructed junk. There’s a reason there’s a Gen 2 and completely redesigned Gen 5. I’m serious. It’s loud, completely misaligned out-of-the-box and a waste of $650. YMMV
@EvilBambo05 ай бұрын
Niche Zero owner here, thanks James for the review so I can resist the itch to upgrade. My next upgrade will be variable speed, larger burr and flat. I also think particle analysis for grinders is a must in the future, so people can quantitatively evaluate and compare each. After watching this video, I feel like watching other coffee reviews about the duo and see what they say lol
@haromard5 ай бұрын
I cannot believe how excited I get when I see a new Hoffmann video drop especially because of how basic of a coffee drinker I am. French press is about all I do and drink it black but damn do I love a good Hoffmann vid.
@JoeEngineersThingsАй бұрын
Same here. Actually I just made a pour over following James’s technique, and reminded myself how much better press style coffee is. But I still love the videos.
@LSF0005 ай бұрын
4:04 Anybody else twitching at that bean that made a break for it? 🤣
@drthmik5 ай бұрын
the fact that it isn't on the counter in the next shot makes me hope he grabbed it off camera and tossed it in before grinding
@dogcarman5 ай бұрын
No bean left behind!
@SaitekFreak9995 ай бұрын
Finally, I've been waiting for this! Small comment on the catch cup: They actually did change the cup a little. The external shape is identical, but it is now rounder at the inside on the bottom and the little ridge is no longer on the inside. Both had a habit of retaining grounds, so that is no issue anymore.
@docfink5 ай бұрын
My new Zero has the same new cup.
@bobgruner5 ай бұрын
The round bottom was already a thing.
@SaitekFreak9995 ай бұрын
@@docfink yeah they changed it a while ago and both machines now come with it, but James has got the old cup in his Niche Zero, so to him this cup should be new.
@alexchosid41835 ай бұрын
Early Zeroes didn't have this cup, but they updated to what comes with the Duo a couple years back.
@davidarrowsmith8655 ай бұрын
This is hilarious. I've seen so many Reddit comments about the clarity enhancement 😂 and it's virtually no different.
@CJski5 ай бұрын
😂😂
@CesarSandoval0245 ай бұрын
Taste is subjective. But I do know when a coffee tastes like shit.... keep that in mind when making coffee...
@davidarrowsmith8655 ай бұрын
I'm well versed in coffee making but chasing these tiny incremental gains is ridiculous. The data shows there's little difference in particle size. It's all placebo
@AlexanderNash5 ай бұрын
Yeah except you're forgetting that most of the "coffee people" it isn't actually there goal to reach some objective "best" coffee I mean that's the aim but nobody expects to actually reach that, the incremental imrovements are a hobby in and of themselves.@@davidarrowsmith865
@mikni40695 ай бұрын
There no clarity enhancement it’s an odd thing to state with 151B burrs that are very conical in taste in fact this is true with Mazzer 83mm espresso burrs in general
@andreasdjamas98085 ай бұрын
I love that your sweaters keep getting bigger
@mattscarf5 ай бұрын
Yeah, to hell with the cups, I want a link to that gorgeous chunky sweater! (The cups are lovely really)
@MrPineapples835 ай бұрын
I’d love to see the particle analyser data of the thickness of the knit compared to jumpers from previous videos.
@hectorstable5 ай бұрын
@@mattscarf TOAST do a very similar jumper but without the cable knit.
@dehto54 ай бұрын
it's the same sweater through the last few years. maybe James is shrinking? 🤷🏻♂
@flowregulator5 ай бұрын
Have to agree with your gripes here. 1 - we want a grinder that can be good (not perfect) in both filter and espresso without changing around burrs 2- I wouldn’t change burrs no matter how simple, on a daily basis, eg. between having a wake up espresso then filter at lunch 3- living in Norway it’s super common to make a 1L can of coffee to enjoy over time, the dosing cup is then kind of useless 4 - the blue burr would wreck my head. Conclusion - this is not the grinder for me
@billhanna21485 ай бұрын
Totally agree with you on all points
@dajw5 ай бұрын
I bought the Niche Duo as I was struggling to get a great espresso with a lighter roast coffee using my Niche Zero. I am really pleased with it, actually. I was able to get that excellent espresso and a higher degree of consistency to my shots than i did with the Zero. I sold the Zero to a friend. I don’t miss it, the workflows and quality are the same. I only grind for espresso with the Duo. I have a different grinder for filter. YMMV but after 5 months of daily use I’m confident that it was the right decision for me. I’m getting consistently great shots across a range of beans.
@bloodynorahvan22035 ай бұрын
“I want an easy life. I am a lazy man!”, says James. What does that make the rest of us?!
@skyman43975 ай бұрын
Your picture in the background (coffee landscape) would make a great jigsaw puzzle, and hence a great gift. Recommend you possibly follow-up on this idea. Ask your subscribers if they would buy this.
@Dropkickclash1925 ай бұрын
They already sell the coffee city print on their shop.
@pierrex32265 ай бұрын
Agreed, a puzzle version would sell. Would occupy an afternoon around Xmas time with family on a rainy day.
@clarkkent79735 ай бұрын
That is exactly what I was thinking! Wow
@nicknelson94505 ай бұрын
If you're partial to this you may also like the official 2024 Olympics poster which for me has a similar style and I believe is available as a 1000 piece puzzle.
@Xull0425 ай бұрын
he literally advertises it at the end of the video
@captbill5 ай бұрын
Thank you, James. You've convinced me that the Niche Zero is a better choice for my needs, and saved me a bit of money in the process! 👍
@MrMorrigan19895 ай бұрын
I watch this channel semi regular and oh boy did he just put his coffee thru a particle analyzer? Thats more effort than I put in anywhere xD
@wspolczynnik_poissona5 ай бұрын
Imagine you have guests and someone asks for an espresso. Then you get your little screwdriver and your burrs set and you change them to make the coffee. You'll look like the biggest dork ever
@JohnSmith-zy1ur3 ай бұрын
Plot twist: you are the biggest dork ever
@mrbusto75 ай бұрын
4:04, bean not found.
@williameichin37015 ай бұрын
Found the java programmer
@tordox16075 ай бұрын
I have the Zero version as my first every grinder. Having to switch out the burrs makes it an immediate no-go. The zero was nice because you can change coffee types and brewing styles almost per cup. Making it the easiest way to try out new stuff as a beginner
@silasmoon5 ай бұрын
Something that has also been catching on is mechanically adjusting (via a washer, paper, tape, etc.) the anti-popcorn wheel entry-hole size on the Niche Zero for a slow-feed effect. This reduces fines even more and I can attest to noticing an improvement in espresso clarity and pour-over clarity. Without that popcorn wheel in the Duo this mod is not possible. This continues to prove what James posited years ago in his re-grinding video.
@squelchedotter5 ай бұрын
Sounds like an audiophile lol
@karlnaicker45275 ай бұрын
Gosh. Been watching this dude for 5 years
@ricbeme13235 ай бұрын
I noticed that the espresso burr seemed misplaced in that the SET on the burr should be up at the white dot according to Niche as that is the best position for a burr set planarity if I understand their manual. Second I cut a simple rubber disc to cover beans as it grinds, keeps th epopping contained. Yep, I own one and do notice the similarity in the burr sets but also taste a difference, could be me, the beans and who knows. That said I am watching those who are giong to or have installed different burrs sets....interesting. Great review and good points made
@johnchardine18865 ай бұрын
Wonderful, deep review. But re. graph at 9:50 comparing particle size distribution between Niche Zero (conical) and EG1 (flat), the different peaks of the larger particles almost certainly has to do with the grind setting on the two machines and not conical vs. flat burrs. Without a way of standardizing grind settings between machines (not easy), all you can really do with these graphs is compare the shape of the distribution, not where the peaks sit along the x-axis. Looking at the shapes, I agree that the peaks of the flat burr profile are closer together.
@jackaw11975 ай бұрын
You can sort of standardise (or at least make comparisons) by dialing them in with the same coffee, time, dose, ratio etc. I think they probably did do that, but it's not perfectly clear.
@PhillipLangenkamp5 ай бұрын
@@jackaw1197Exactly! And he does actually mention that that is what they did. If you start at the beginning of the chapter it's the intro before the graphs. The graphs don't reference that, though, so it's easy to get lost in the graphs and miss the pre-explanation.
@MelindaGreen5 ай бұрын
@@PhillipLangenkamp You could also set one grind as your baseline, and then adjust the other to align the two as closely as possible regardless of the setting.
@ihaveapwner38633 ай бұрын
i also made a similar comment. He got this wrong
@JonFairhurst5 ай бұрын
I’m a Niche Zero owner. My next grinder is likely to be the Mazzer Philos. I want the alignment of metal, not plastic. I also want a controlled feed rate of an auger, and the ability to clean the grinder without touching the alignment or getting grinds into the adjustment threads.
@TwistedD855 ай бұрын
I want to say I originally found your channel because of the Niche! Back when I bought a thrifted (and cheap) flat burr grinder and started my way down the coffee rabbit hole. I ended up putting my money toward a 1zpresso hand grinder, but I still really like the Niche's design and the company's focus. I appreciate it's not just a black or silver box either, it's a fun and lively shape for a grinder. If I ever do pony up for an electric grinder it's probably going to be a Niche. On the subject of the dosing cup, they really should just make a wider cup that fits that larger indentation on the wooden puck there. When you see that it really seems like that was their intention. I'm surprised they haven't done it already, especially if they were going to come out with a filter focused burr set.
@mf28255 ай бұрын
Larger dosing cup would not work so smoothly with portafilters though
@TwistedD855 ай бұрын
@@mf2825 The appropriately sized cups could be included with the burr set they're intended for.
@chuckbatson5955 ай бұрын
At first read I thought you were saying something about "Nickel Back" in the first sentence 😂
@233kosta5 ай бұрын
YES! Been looking forward to this review since I saw the Duo on their website.
@ax-59294 ай бұрын
I am not very interested in coffee. But this person's voice is very soothing.
@ricard38515 ай бұрын
The hair and coolness is still game on 5 years later
@SebastianCristanchoYT5 ай бұрын
Wow your video people popped off. The contrast and colour in this a-roll is like candy it’s perfect and so tasteful. Love the lighting, audio is mint. God bless
@RaymondwLin5 ай бұрын
I have the Niche Zero, and recently for the past year I’ve made nothing but Pour Over coffee and have thought about getting a flat burr grinder and was leaning towards the Ode Gen 2. Your video basically has confirmed that is the right choice. It’s half the price of the Duo and much smaller.
@Madskills-hw2ox5 ай бұрын
So, you say the fellow ode 2 I’ll go watch James on that… again Geez I’ve watched so many videos my heads spinning
@coreycannon45115 ай бұрын
@@Madskills-hw2oxRight? I have a 12 year old Breville 450XL that I’ve been looking to upgrade. It’s a surprisingly capable conical grinder (for its price) but suffers the following problems: it can’t grind for espresso or Turkish (I got a J-MAX a couple of years ago for that and travelling); is super loud; is a highly retentive, non-single doser (I almost never drink the same coffee twice in a row), and I have to beat the snot out of it to get everything out - i.e. lousy work flow and more noise. And I just murdered it yesterday. So now my leisurely “ if I see the right grinder and have the money” search has become a little more urgent. Granted, I still have the J-MAX, so I won’t let myself be rushed but I’m not going to put up with perpetual hand grinding for long. But I still REALLY don’t know what to get.
@richardjohnson45275 ай бұрын
I have a Specialita for espresso and a Fellow Ode 2 with SPK burrs for pour over. Very happy with the Ode and based on what James has demonstrated, I’d say, that’s the way to go.
@krawiece5 ай бұрын
If you don’t need espresso, ode gen 2 is perfect
@illiniwood5 ай бұрын
@@richardjohnson4527 You are very wise with your choice of grinders. However, due to price point, Fellow has gone with a cheap Chinese motor in both Ode and Ode2 grinders that will fail long, long before the Eureka Specialita. On the same note, the touch screen on the Specialita will fail long, before the Motor does. However, no other grinder is built to last like a Eureka.
@CroissantCreates5 ай бұрын
I bought this seven months ago and have been hoping for this review for so long!!
@ToMmy198625 ай бұрын
Has to be mentioned the burrsets provided are manufactured by Mazzer and they happen to be the same ones of the Major V and ZM. Mazzer already produces 3 x 83mm burrsets which can be used in the Niche Duo: - The espresso one (Major V Electronic, burrs 0151A/251A ) - The Hybrid (ZM, good for filter and espresso, K151L) - The Filter (ZM, unimodal geometry with the intent of producing less fines, filter coffee purposes 151F/K151F) which are extremely cheap compared to burrsets from other manufacturers. *Mazzer produces 6 or even more 83mm burrsets aside the ones mentioned above Aside the fact SSP produces an 83mm burrset compatible with Mazzer, hence Niche Duo. As you said looking at the grinder per se, it's like "it could have been better", especially considering what's around already. But the possibilities after the purchase are endless, could potentially end up being in between the best "domestic" single dose grinder with "commercial" quality.
@food72285 ай бұрын
An interesting point to raise
@Gramayr5 ай бұрын
Some Mazzer burr sets are for 3 phase and would stall when fitted to a single phase (household) grinder. I have a Mazzer Major with titanium burrs, and they stall if I fill the hopper. Single dosing is fine however.
@cuprajake15 ай бұрын
@@Gramayr the burrs in the duo are the 3 phase burrs
@ToMmy198625 ай бұрын
@@cuprajake1interesting! The ones I've mentioned the codes of though are for single phase mazzers. As previously said though, if single dosing should be fine no matter what geometry
@Alex727Pasco5 ай бұрын
Great video as always! Would love to see you revisit the Wilfa Uniform, I believe it was part of your daily setup some time ago
@non-newtoniandruid5 ай бұрын
Do you have the uniform? I found the noise was just atrocious, really detracted from the experience, the coffee was good but I’ve since switched to the Timemore 078, I don’t make espresso, and it’s gorgeous
@Dunk0The0Punk5 ай бұрын
Me too I would love to see a follow up , is it still part of your setup ? especially as I am contemplating/procrastinating buying a Wilfa Uniform.
@TheMrCazano5 ай бұрын
@@non-newtoniandruid I have one and I agree the noise is bad. I am pleased with the coffee it makes so it's still my daily driver. Also unlike James, I prefer that the scale is also the lid as it makes for a clean setup instead of having 'another' device
@Alex727Pasco5 ай бұрын
@@non-newtoniandruid Yeah, have had it for a while, use it mostly for pour-over v60 or chemex. The noise is not great, but mostly content with it, how are you finding the time more? I'd be interested to know how an older grinder compares to some of the newer ones, beyond the ux.
@Alex727Pasco5 ай бұрын
@@TheMrCazano what's your experience been in terms of its clarity? I'm really interested, as I have had mixed results over the years...
@81wot5 ай бұрын
A few months ago, I stumbled across this channel. Shortly after losing myself in a Hoffman binge I splurged on a lelit bianca v3 and this grinder 😅 So coming in from a cold start and just starting my real journey into the world of brewing, this grinder def met my expectations.
@onnyt60Ай бұрын
Using the expression "workflow" when grinding beans is hilarious.
@pilotwill185 ай бұрын
“Thank you so much for watching, and I hope you have a great day.” I look forward to that tag line every time. It feels so genuine. James, I’m thinking the best solution is for you to team up with Niche or produce your own grinder.
@nickhey73745 ай бұрын
I watch every video James puts out and yet I have a Nespresso Vertuo 🤣 and complain that the coffee isn't very good
@florenceinthesummer3 ай бұрын
Just get an xbloom. At least u be drinking decent coffee
@sambigus15 ай бұрын
1:06, Trespass is among the peak (albeit quite different) of early Genesis. Will die on that hill.
@Slashandcarry5 ай бұрын
Came here specifically for a discussion about early Genesis. Controversial opinion no.2: Wind and Wuthering also has its moments.
@mmfc19585 ай бұрын
Indeed! 'From Genesis to Revelation' was the scribbles of teenagers learning to play.
@thethorpius22895 ай бұрын
8:24 - "I was curious, so I immediately went to my particle size analyzer". Never change.
@cca731275 ай бұрын
Spraying my beans before grinding makes such a big difference in retention and static - so much less mess both in my hand and electric grinder. (I do occasionally have to tap the electric grinder to stop beans sticking)
@daniellee0035 ай бұрын
Been waiting so long for this!
@andrewlainguk5 ай бұрын
Nitpicks: anyone else want to see a 20 min video of nothing but nitpicks from James? Maybe a special video of nitpicks from life in general?
@pauldaulby2605 ай бұрын
I would have loved to see you compare espresso made with the filter burrs. And to see the particle size analyser of the fulter burrs too
@KevinKrasko5 ай бұрын
me looking at the coffee city print: "gosh imagine living in the french press, thinking that the people living in the aeropress are the problem, when the real people oppressing the working class is clearly living in the espresso machine." Uber driver: "I cant look at your phone while I'm driving"
@Leo7905 ай бұрын
Have never clicked on a review this fast
@81wot5 ай бұрын
Hahaha yes! That was me too 😂
@Default783345 ай бұрын
Little tip about presenting particle size data, particularly with an image analyzer: when comparing multiple distributions, the cumulative distribution view can be very helpful and less "messy" than the standard presentation.
@AlexNix5 ай бұрын
Hi James! Great video as always. Thank you for your analysis. If possible, I’d love to see the particle analysis of the filter burs vs the espresso burs
@songofsam5 ай бұрын
James, Trespass was leaps & bounds beyond the first Genesis record, hardly a sophomore slump.
@KNURKonesur5 ай бұрын
Sounds like you need to get your hands on the Timemore Sculptor 078 now
@nickpelayo31725 ай бұрын
I have the 78 and 78s and I think I'm done
@chriswilson31215 ай бұрын
@@nickpelayo3172 any noticeable difference in the 78 and 78s? A preference?
@DR19X20 күн бұрын
@@nickpelayo3172 do you like both machines?
@salathsd9115 ай бұрын
Did I miss the particle size analyzer for the Filter Burr set? I'd like to know if there's an appreciable difference between the two burr sets.
@adamgranath5 ай бұрын
definitely lacking some data
@stephencharles69325 ай бұрын
Baratza Encore with single dose cup. Simple to use as this Niche, better value. Perfect.
@bloodynorahvan22035 ай бұрын
Perfect for filter 👌
@tonylawlor88335 ай бұрын
I hate the burr changing feature but the design of the niche is top notch.
@petethompson12645 ай бұрын
Love the jumper 😍
@exact-estimate5 ай бұрын
Duo user here. This is my first grinder so nothing to compare but I have found it reliable so far, giving consistency and a nice easy workflow (I use it with the Robot). I will say, I don't find that the water is required. I have the white version and see very little in the way of static. With the filter burrs I did notice some retention, but discovered a way to help with that (see my "bellows" video!) and with that it seems fine now. Espresso burrs did seem to choke on the extremely fine setting (5) which was worrying. Overall, happy with it.
@maximilianklein20624 ай бұрын
I love this channel. I do have a coffee grinder , Im quite happy with, I dont intent to buy a new one - yet still I love these videos. On a side note. Why are there so many youtube videos on coffee vrewing and coffee equipment, but so few on coffee? I mean, isn't the choice of your coffee the most decisive thing when it comes to whether or not a cup tastes good?
@juancasadoballesteros5 ай бұрын
I have a niche zero, use it daily to make my coffee (on a moka pot) very nice to use although the coffee beans get stuck in the input funnel when watered which is required if i don’t want grind coffee being spelt all around from the output. Apart from that and given the reasonable price and the great looks, using it is a lovely everyday day experience.
@Amandus.5 ай бұрын
I can't fathom how people are experiencing coffee flying everywhere when grinding with the Niche Zero. I've never had this issue, or I've just never noticed it after using it for two years now. Might be because I am grinding coarser for pour overs and immersion brewing.
@mechanicalmonk20205 ай бұрын
@@Amandus. That's because different beans behave differently, and yes your grind setting matters
@illiniwood5 ай бұрын
@@Amandus. I grind strictly espresso with my Niche and I don't have a problem with coffee flying everywhere either. Maybe it's because I'm in the Midwest where the humidity is a little higher than most of the country. Not really sure why some Niches do and some don't.
@Amandus.5 ай бұрын
@@illiniwoodI do live in Norway which has air humidity levels up in the 90% region (85% today) as well.
@TreborTnemorf5 ай бұрын
I miss these review videos
@graemefenwick69255 ай бұрын
You can taste the difference between burrs? Mind blown. Love your work, please keep it up.
@69Buddha5 ай бұрын
If they add the filter catch cup, they could even color code it. Maybe a nice electric blue plastic base?
@kurtcrean5 ай бұрын
That particle analysis is crazy! You had one job, niche.
@skeetsmcgrew32825 ай бұрын
Truly they fixed what wasn't broken
@illiniwood5 ай бұрын
I have the Niche zero. Fellow makes a really nice 3 micron mesh filter called the shimmy. Makes removing the fines super easy.
@brmperc5 ай бұрын
I'm here for the Trespass shade
@celstark5 ай бұрын
😂 As a fan, can’t say I disagree
@tcmotter5 ай бұрын
I mean, it's not their best album by any means (though I still think it's quite good), but sophomore slump? That assumes that the first album was better, which is...a take.
@brmperc5 ай бұрын
@@tcmotter yes, the first album is demonstrably worse. But the joke still landed for me, and though Trespass has a few cool moments, they'd get markedly better from then on. Anyway, most people don't even know about that album, so it was fun to see it!
@RebelMagpie5 ай бұрын
Trespass so much better than Revelation
@nfrl-hs2ly5 ай бұрын
@@RebelMagpieOn Revelation, you can tell they were still trying to decide how to get away from their Moody Blues inspiration. Trespass, in my opinion, was the first "real" Genesis album.
@bubbatom15304 ай бұрын
I'm late on this, but I enjoyed watching it. Thank YOU James. I own a Niche Zero, thanks largely to James and his vids. A couple of things that I wish he would have touched upon. One, I bought my Niche after the Kickstarter, but still many years ago now. Mine came with the anti-pop-corning disk, but none of the vids used it in testing (that I recall) because the original, didn't come with it. I know he liked it better, but offhand, I don't know how much difference it makes, and I'm not sure he went into any detail in that, nor did he mention it here in the comparison. Two, he did a particle comparison on the espresso but not the "filtter" coffee. I use mine for siphon coffee daily. I can't afford the Niche Duo, currently, but there was much less comparison on the filter, than on the espresso to me. Lastly, I wish there were, recommended burr test. Like, You could use X or Y burs to achieve filter or espresso or combination. (maybe that's too large a field or something you could do later). I don't honestly know how many reasonable compatible bur-sets are out there . Still love the VID/Review 😀👍! Oh, during closing/summary James(you), forgot or didn't recommend Niche selling without a bur set, he (sorta) did in the beginning. I wish he had recommended that. 😉 I did get that without a different burr set, and/or my anti-pop-corning (plastic disc), it's doesn't seem to be a recommended upgrade, even for just filter. It's a shame that this one gets pop-corning beans in between the lid. I've never had that happen on the Zero (that I can remember). I looked on my Zero and there doesn't seem to be any room for the bean to escape between the funnel ridge and the top, without the lid being "popped" up. I'm curious if the Duo's lid is popping up, or if it doesn't have the close tolerance the Zero does.
@colinwatt005 ай бұрын
I wish you showed a particle distribution of the Filter bur-set as well
@firepuncher15 ай бұрын
Awesome and a little shocking as I've been waiting for you to review the Duo James. I purchased my Zero in July 2021 when we had to check for inventory daily LoL. I found a very nice heavy rubber bellows on Etsy that comes with a little clip to keep the microswitch depressed. Allowing for hot loading. As I only make espresso I will be hanging onto my Zero, thanks again.
@nathans97645 ай бұрын
Thanks for the review. I was really hoping this would be a good multitasker--i do espresso, my wife likes filter coffee. Our Eureka mignon is not ideal for this setup, but i got it because its easy on my ears and doesn't flare up my tinnitus. For this to be louder and more expensive than the zero, and still not nail both is disappointing.
@user-lv7ph7hs7l5 ай бұрын
Keep the mignon and get a manual grinder for filter. I gave that combo, Silenzio + 1Zpresso Q2. Couldn't be happier, 320€ for both. And many manual grinders can also do espresso so then you would also have a backup espresso grinder and a different style of burr. Manual grinders are stepped so you can write the settings down, which is a bit hard on the Mignon. 1.1 and a slight nudge to the left and then an even slighter nudge back to the right aaaand nope that was too fast... the knob is the one thing the Mignon does badly. But it's okay.
@user-lv7ph7hs7l5 ай бұрын
X-Pro would be my choice today but the Q2 has been a faithful filter grinder for years now and I'll probably gift it to someone as ab excuse to get a slightly fancier 1Z. And it's a breeze to grind not like the old manual ones that felt like crushing stone and screeched like a dying cat.
@nathans97645 ай бұрын
@@user-lv7ph7hs7l Hey thanks for the recommendation! I like the idea.
@saandeepmani92864 ай бұрын
Please review The Fellow Aiden coffee maker.. I'm sure they would send you one but it would help the community a lot to get your feedback before placing an order for it.
@tauronmaikar5 ай бұрын
James is going to have a part 2 long term review of the Duo with third party burrs
@mrdwightmartin5 ай бұрын
Trespass is an amazing album. That is all.
@markjpcs5 ай бұрын
Came to the comments to say exactly this!
@calebcondit92285 ай бұрын
It’s definitely better than their first
@mich82615 ай бұрын
I’m sorry but Trespass is far superior to From Genesis To Revolution. You could argue that Trespass is actually Genesis’s true first album (stylistically anyway)
@hipponax5 ай бұрын
James being merciless as always! that being said lots of good features here :)
@jasonbull1795 ай бұрын
That Sweater has an ecosystem all of its own....
@aramse5 ай бұрын
I hate the blue too. Haha. It’s the first thing I noticed when it launched. Great review as always!
@Steyreon5 ай бұрын
Needing a screwdriver is a downer to me. They should engineer a quick change system, to make it more versatile.
@skeetsmcgrew32825 ай бұрын
Quick change is terrible for perfect tolerances. Quick change systems generally rely on slop to make it work properly. Not necessarily impossible but close enough
@Steyreon5 ай бұрын
@@skeetsmcgrew3282 good point there
@matthewkanin31055 ай бұрын
I own one of each. The "Zero" was the first serious grinder I purchased, and I was only about six months into my home barista experiment when I got it. Your review, along with a few others, was extremely influential in my decision to get the Zero, and I have no regrets. It's a highly capable grinder, and other, marginally-more capable and marginally-better priced grinders that have come along since (for instance, the DF64) do not offer the same degree of workflow enjoyability. I purchased the Duo without waiting for anyone's review. And I do not regret the decision at all - it's wonderful having a few grinders to work with. Why? It's less about wanting to compare three different grinders, a/b/c/; that has a limited appeal. It's more about being able to have multiple different dial-ins so I can have a regular espresso, a decaf espresso, and a seasonal rotation - the single origin of the month. Trying to grind all on the same grinder means having to adjust the grind, and, despite the low retention, there is inevitably some cross-contamination (not a horrendous problem) but worse, there could be coffee waste (which I try very hard to avoid). I think your review of the Duo is very accurate. It's a highly capable grinder, but in some ways it's a step backward; it's louder, bulkier, and offers a bit less value-for-money. But, I was happy with my purchase, and I don't regret it.
@billbucktube4 ай бұрын
Good on you for turning the top ring counterclockwise to locate the beginning of the thread before tightening the ring!
@VIP-ry6vv5 ай бұрын
It never fails, to me coffee is coffee. Yet I still love watching these videos.
@FrederikLarsen19945 ай бұрын
Never been this early, oh my
@pulver675 ай бұрын
So glad for this review and when Buying my ODE 2 I struggled with if I should wait for this one. Fantastic grinder but thanks for reinforcing for me at least that I made the right choice in the ODE 2 (I’m filter coffee only )
@AngryNerdRock1025 ай бұрын
The Coffee City Print would make a great puzzle design. Hope they do a run of that at some point...
@krawiece5 ай бұрын
So I replaced my niche zero and fellow ode with this grinder. To me, it’s a great balance of making great filter coffee, as well as bodied espresso, which is what I was looking for. I immediately noticed my filter coffee was better than either the fellow ode and the zero. It also makes it really easy to clean the burrs, so I do it much more often. If that’s your use case, I think it’s a great all in one product. But admittedly, it might be a niche one. :)
@Addd4m5 ай бұрын
Thanks for commenting this, I’m somewhat similar, I’ve bought a duo but it’s not here yet. Are you able to elaborate on the difference you noticed between ode 2 and duo filter burr? Cheers!!
@MarkRobertsBlog5 ай бұрын
(Pats his original NZ … you’re still the king of my coffee bar, little guy)
@fionaclaphamhoward58765 ай бұрын
I'm from New Zealand and for a moment I was feeling the love for the birthplace of the flat white 😅
@NunyoBiznis5 ай бұрын
I've had the Duo for a few months, used exclusively for filter coffee which has been as good as any other grinder. I also have the Zero, and both are white. The Duo's white is much cooler than the Zero. The warm white of the Zero is more appealing. My only real complaints are the popcorning and the catch cup being too small for over 65g. The catch cup has slightly changed. I've been able to barely fit 80g in the new catch cup if I grind fine enough and shake the catch cup while it's grinding to settle the grinds and fill up any pockets, but that's not ideal. The old Zero catch cup is 110g while the new catch cup is 102-102.5g. I could never fit over 70g in the old catch cup. I did notice in the video that the espresso burrs were not aligned when the burrs were switched. The set sticker should have been at the top, the way it came from the factory. Though I don't know if deviating from factory calibration could affect particle size.
@davidfuller5815 ай бұрын
Yeah, the Mazzer Major espresso burrs in there are super traditional espresso burrs. SSPs are available but 83mm SSPs are frighteningly expensive.
@juanborzala61105 ай бұрын
@jameshoffmann could you please do a video experiment on the particle distribution variations between grinding with a slow feed, starting cold with coffee loaded and starting hot but loading the coffee all at once? I think it would be great to have evidence presented by you that helps either prove or disprove if slow feeding a grinder will give you less fines
@neuroidcastle5 ай бұрын
As a Niche Duo owner, I agree with several of the points in this video. While swapping the burrs is relatively easy, I rarely do so and find myself either enjoying espresso or filter coffee for any given day, but rarely both. I would really love to see a universal burr option from Niche. For the slightly aggravating popcorning, I've resorted to using an upside-down backflush basket to keep my beans in the hopper. Works great when I remember to use it!
@Addd4m5 ай бұрын
Please can I ask what you make of the filter burrs? Info online is quite sparse so any info would be appreciated 😅
@ugliestbread5 ай бұрын
I upgraded to the Niche Duo from a much cheaper, smaller conical burr grinder and could not tell much of a difference in taste profile. I thought my palette just wasn’t good enough to detect a difference, so I am extremely grateful that this review has shown why that is! I feel a bit robbed, honestly 😂
@skeetsmcgrew32825 ай бұрын
Always remember that price in equipment is finding where the breaking point in diminishing returns happens. You see it in camping gear as well. The top of line stuff is great but it still breaks if it hits a rock, still gets lost in a pile of leaves, etc. In the case of grinders, we are likely approaching the limits of physics: due to pure entropy and laws of cleavage you cannot achieve perfection in uniformity. So in the end, it's just there to make big coffee into small coffee. As James has said in the past, don't worry about FOMO, worry about solving a problem you have. I already make the best coffee I've ever had in my life and I don't need to fly any closer to the sun lol
@trannel735 ай бұрын
My Niche Zero and wallet both approve this review.
@george_taylor5 ай бұрын
You got one thing wrong. You said the dosing cup hadn't changed. It did. About a year after your original video Niche changed the cup to have a nice rounded inside base, no sticky corners. I bought my Niche Zero about 3 years ago and still love it for espresso. Not great on V60 filter though so I recently bought a 1Zpresso ZP6 which I'm delighted with. Finally sweet and clean filter coffee - from a conical burr set! You should review it, you'll be surprised! Oh and it does superb Moka Pot drinks too which is awesome as the Moka is my travelling "espresso" stand in.
@jasonkelsey34415 ай бұрын
When I bought my ECM classika it came with a mid wight metal tamper. I took the hopper off my Ceado E37S grinder and placed the ECM tamper over the grinder funnel opening- and presto! single dose grinder ;)
@AcktongueBaby5 ай бұрын
As a huge U2 fan, the October album cover caught me off guard and I laughed a bit too hard. Well done! Fun fact: Bono's notebook for journaling lyrics was lost/stolen during their North American tour in Washington or Oregon and they had to improvise their studio time. That's why some songs on October have the same melody and guitar riffs from Boy. You also have an Adam Clayton look that fits you...or maybe it's the other way around 🤔
@jeanettanorton56464 ай бұрын
Great presentation of the information 😀. Thanks for sharing this with me 😊😁. Hello from Indiana USA and this 63 year old lady.
@valentinacudetoate5 ай бұрын
Just watched 20min of this video and I enjoyed it so much even though I am very little interested of the subject😂 Great job, James!
@xzzdm5 ай бұрын
Very glad that I bought the Zero a few during Thanksgiving. Thanks, James! Sounds like I didn't miss anything and saved some money.
@pierrex32265 ай бұрын
I have a 1zpresso k max and I'm very happy with it. It's manual, which means I use my upper body every day, and it's essentially silent. I don't drink enough coffee to feel the need to upgrade to a motor. But I'm curious whether/ what I'm missing. The coffee I make is streets ahead of what I can typically buy from cafes, not that it's a very high bar to clear.
@miles6115 ай бұрын
Same, k-max is my first proper grinder and it's amazing. I don't see any big reason to upgrade, very happy as it is (I only do filter, so maybe for expresso it would be more tedious to grind)
@nicknelson94505 ай бұрын
Exact same observations here...using a Comandante C40. Can't justify the price of these electric grinders...particularly when it's more than I paid for my coffee machine.
@xenodrake40085 ай бұрын
You would be better getting a zp6 for the different flavor profile. Otherwise if you want a real improvement jumping to electric, timemore 078 or something 64mm with ssp mp
@uzumakihtc3 ай бұрын
Please review the Eureka Drogheda MCD4! It's a fantastic grinder even for single dose!! 85mm burrs and good grinding range with low retention It's an unknown grinder to most people as it's a shop grinder
@alexchosid41835 ай бұрын
I bought a Niche Duo on launch. I was a previous Niche Zero owner for espresso use and was mulling buying an Ode 2 for filter coffee as I was more and more disappointed with filter performance on the Zero. The Duo turned out to be right what I want: similar espresso performance (it does taste different in the cup to me than the Zero, but it's far from dramatic) and much-improved filter performance. Plus, no second grinder on the counter. I've got no regrets about my purchase, but curiousity will likely get the best of me at some point and I'll throw some SSP burrs in here to see how it does.