The Nine Circles of Art Hell

[@kevinflummi2822]

Honestly, I think your view of the art world is completely wrong. If you sign up for my free course I can tell you how art actually works. Currently there's a discount so you only have to pay 5$ per minute (minimum attendance is 48 hours)

[@rory6984]

Bro is still selling mentorship through these calls while in his mid 20s. I'm pretty Libertarian but young people acting like they have deep insight into the world and selling chumps on it deserve a good old public shaming.

[@VinceVintage]

"consuming videos for market research" why you hitting me with the 4th wall break?

[@ManleyReviews]

surprised to see you here Vince lmao

[@stormtrooper9894]

imagine having the verification check couldnt be me smh

[@VinceVintage]

@@ManleyReviews greg is the MAN! We met at vidcon this year, thats why you gotta come out!

[@Lordgoulb]

I watched this video and immediately fixed all my problems socially and in my art process! Then i realized i was copying a content creator and reverted back to making nothing! Thanks Greg!!

[@dungeonmaster217]

Aren't you enjoying making art regardless of how derivative it is?

[@jakebwhite9253]

I watched this video instead of making something

[@umerbsr]

Why's this comment 2 days old, this video came out an hour ago

[@Jeff1999PB2]

@@umerbsr they've been watching the video for 2 days

[@AnotherDante]

Based

[@real_pattern]

dw you made money for someone else

[@jacksonlevine9236]

Win

[@joannasthings]

i like how he's wearing a black robe like he's death come here for our souls as artists

[@heeman1203]

Can't wait for the Art purgatory and Art heaven.

[@alfred8936]

It's crazy how not making stuff will just kill you. It's like if you turned off your own ability to sweat or digest food.

[@eta_carithebrightlord3396]

Doing anything will kill you eventually just somethings faster than others

[@kelechi_77]

@@eta_carithebrightlord3396 theres an african proverb my dad used to always say "something must kill a man", basically meaning do what u have to do in life because something will get you killed regardless

[@rory6984]

​@@eta_carithebrightlord3396doing nothing will kill your mind ling before qcrual death takes you

[@psychobilly42069]

If you're religious, being the literal image of god and not creating is basically denying your one purpose

[@alfred8936]

@@psychobilly42069 This comment is a month old and I still think about it, excellently put

[@Getsadandstuff]

I really enjoy the projection, how it goes on seemingly forever, adding color to the edges of the screen/wall that were previously neutral toned.

[@oliverhoare6779]

yeah he's really projecting here

[@jumpy6380]

Hell university has interesting classes this year

[@willkimball7677]

It’s strange college works like this and you are on a road rather than in treachery and going through the Agnostics are the Gen studies, the yappers are the Gen studies, and intro classes, the gluttony are the technical classes and studio classes. Then greed Sneeks it’s way into your own journey tying it to All the classes in the opportunity cost of college. Anger is the Appreciation and anxious feeling of your peers work in the advanced classes and classes that you would find in 3rd or 4th year. Violence is a sneeky and ruthless cunt into those “last minute emails to professors” and end of class rants to the professor, that you should have been more reasonable and timely with.

[@jameskuckkan2326]

I don't remember this episode of Evangelion

[@ciboxcibox222]

I like how it looks like an intestinal tract, much like my artistic career

[@rory6984]

Your career does not require the colon you speak of it requires quotation marks.

[@squibitybeebop]

this fall i’m directing a play that i wrote and i am so terrified that it’ll suck, and i’m realizing that i’ve deluded myself into thinking that it would be perfect if i could just control every aspect of the production, if i didn’t have to collaborate with anyone else to realize the project. but it won’t exist if it just floats around in my head as this perfect idealized thing, it has to become the shitty real thing that i’m so afraid of creating

[@robmansfield1241]

I'm like that with nearly every painting I make. Except there's no collaborators to blame for the lack of perfection.

[@-book]

It makes me so sad when people think that art is for talented/skillful people. I believe in the healing power of stick figure illustrations and colouring books.

[@willkimball7677]

It’s joyfull sometimes not caring about art in the way of being critical about it. And when you return to that art that’s deeper within the circle you become so much more delighted about it

[@anomieminalminds]

A literal human need, imo (at the very least, hashtag expression itself)

[@rory6984]

It requires skill in order to make a living from it but anyone can do whatever gives them peace.

[@pulvenberg1709]

Absolutely. Like, so absolutely.

[@-book]

@@willkimball7677 Exactly this because when I draw with professional quality in mind, 80% of the time it just burns me out because that's above my skill level. When I just draw to feel happy I am more pleased with the results because making anything at all was the goal.

[@ironichoneybadger5066]

the fact that this is so applicable to all walks of creation, not even just art. I'm an engineer, I have a big problem with your definitions of lust and gluttony of creation, always watching, always talking about it, very rarely actually creating or working I'd like you to make the opposite of this, the virtues of art

[@cooperhough7583]

Can you elaborate why you have problems with these layers as an engineer please?

[@nickspencer8366]

mmmm want to consume more content dontcha greedy boy? gettowork

[@Eric_Pham]

@@cooperhough7583 I think they mean one of their personal issues is they have the lust and gluttony of creation, because some times as engineer we get stuck in the "planning" stage and don't get to do the cool stuff

[@missScarlatine]

I’m a quantum artist: I’m in all those layers of hell at the same time.

[@Okgeneric]

Quantum physics is the study of physics at an infinitesimally small scale.

[@jupiter75100]

Schrodingers artist

[@missScarlatine]

@@Okgeneric i am a small artist

[@Okgeneric]

@@missScarlatine super duper position

[@CrustaceousB]

Somehow I always knew my crimes against art would be shown to me by a Jewish grim reaper. Just like momma always warned me. 😢

[@sophomorphia]

A perfect pairing with CJ the X’s 7 deadly art sins video. Edit: On Monday I started a course in art and design, I walked out two hours later because of social anxiety. All I’ve done since then is drink heavily, send emails to my support worker and the college to try and salvage the situation, and eat bacon sandwiches. It’s me, I’m art hell!

[@sophomorphia]

The prefect bacon sandwich…. Seeded wholemeal bread Mayo Mustard - I don’t have any rn :( Some type of leaf Tomato Crispy (and I mean crispy, no rubbery fat, not burnt) streaky bacon (at least three per sandwich) Bonus round? Red onion, thinly sliced! Enjoy

[@ryanphillips4123]

Man, I love a good BLT! And drinking… and thinking about making art instead of doing it. 😅😔

[@swabianbug]

Thanks for the moment of clarity. I hope it will last.

[@KazeN64]

So glad you are acknowledging that this is wildly posited, I didn't get the vibe that you believe this with 100% convinction at all!

[@GoogleyedGoon]

Edit: TLDR I'm experiencing most of these right now, but at least part of the anger is directed inward toward myself and it stems from envy. You forgot envy, but the type that makes you angry and depressed at yourself for giving up on your dreams because you thought you weren’t talented enough. Maybe you'll blame your parents or that one bad art teacher you had, but deep down you know it's at least partially on you for not pushing through and trying harder to improve anyway. The type of anger where you see really good art and start kicking yourself for not coming up with that idea or not being involved in its production somehow, and wondering if you could ever create something that good. Then you maybe start trying again, but every time you start, you spiral into a frustrated depressive panic attack thinking about all the years you’ve already wasted and drown in regret. You also start wondering about what if you just don’t have the aptitude and it never pays off. Like what if you continue drawing for years, only to barely improve, like Chris-chan. You want to break out of this cycle so you can start creating again, but your mental health is too shit and no amount of drugs or therapy will fix it, and you just can’t stand to spend time alone working on your skills or projects, because that will lead to more thinking and spiraling. So you constantly spend your time going out to yap to people and consuming content so you don’t have to confront those feelings again. That’s kind of where I am right now.

[@EscPointDev]

I wasn't sure about this one until you pulled up the part of about resistance. Now some of that was very relatable. Edit: The quote Greg put on screen about resistance are part of a book called "The War of Art: Break Through the Blocks and Win Your Inner Creative Battles" - by Steven Pressfield

[@egasyelir]

thank you

[@EscPointDev]

@@egasyelir No problem my man.

[@suop1234]

thanks

[@Boardwoards]

that author seems like the kind of guy who would have benefitted a lot from reading dragon ball. he speaks right but his premise! YEESH. same as goku taking actions individually nice given limited context while having much to learn about the layers of kind relation.

[@RhetoricaRhamnusia]

Still not sure "heresay" constitutes hearsay or heresy. Anyway, thanks for the free $500 course.

[@HumanTooth]

for the purposes of a hell-like environment, I think the distinction matters little

[@stepanium]

I have OCD, schizotypal disorder and probably ADHD, but JREG now convinced me that I should go off my meds! Thank you, JREG! On a serious note I do notice that my thinking is more limited and less creative on meds, maybe there is a causation.

[@eisenhead]

i just gotta lock in

[@OwenWithAHammer]

u locked in fam?>

[@maanihunt]

this is so sick, you have a very cool brain. also this is terrifying so truth, you can lose years spinning around intellectualising trying to start an idea

[@raeanders3513]

What I wish someone had said to me when I was like 20. Should just show this video in every art class from now on

[@connorp3030]

If you want the agnostic layer to connect to the treachery layer, it needs to be pulled into the third dimension and loop hack around to it This also has the pro that each deeper layer doesnt have to be smaller then the previous layers, they can be any size

[@Avboyyy]

Never heard of your channel. So happy KZbin recommended you cause I saw myself in these circles. Great video.

[@RoseyJosey]

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[@aLukepop]

That was the first video I thought of when I saw this.

[@rat3905]

@@aLukepop Same here lol

[@adamf.charles5857]

CJ the X should start looking up for lawyers

[@DissonanceRiver]

By chance or a blessing of God, the algorithm managed me to come across this video. Really good thoughts. Thank you Especially at the end. What you said NEEDED to be said. There are people who will really try to suck stuff out of you because they never did what needed themselves. And then be around people who check you on all these things. Very good. The ones who GET IT, GET IT.

[@sniedendepoes]

I used to be guilty of all of these. Haven’t made art for 5 years now, focusing on it made me mentally ill

[@TheraSine]

teach me your ways

[@morezombies9685]

Ah, youre heading to the bottom layer! Way to go! For real though, why did you stop making art? Art doesnt make you mentally ill. YOU make you mentally ill.

[@jacksonlevine9236]

​@@morezombies9685because he makes himself mentally ill. The answer is in the question.

[@myuziksohl]

Not a very demure or mindful thing to say to a mentally ill person ​@@morezombies9685

[@basu_20999]

​@@morezombies9685art makes you mentally ill doe

[@signal2_]

hood classic video

[@joshy-noha]

Damn, that's why I relate so much to your content. You have the finger on the pulse of what makes artists joyful and miserable in these troublesome times. I've been on those circles of hell many times throughout my life, not greed though, definitely true about the artists needing to learn some marketing stuff, it just feels so wrong as an artist lol and you get it too. Constantly on the Lust and Gluttony circles most of the time, but I have probably been on all circles at least once. Greg, I just want to say, I'm happy to have found your content all those years ago! Keep it up!

[@Mavybwavy]

Thank you for this video. This was very enlightening. Needed this

[@2DayDavid]

Can’t wait to reference this video over the next few months as I talk about doing my project Thanks for giving me more to stall with!

[@QuantumShenna]

Greg revealing he isn't ADHD by not having an anti-heresay layer of hell about creating projects before convincing yourself that the reason continuing the project is hard is because the ideas underlying it are bad and therefore never making anything of substance.

[@oopsalldrip1376]

Really appreciate getting Grgil to give us a tour.

[@floatingbooks4058]

"when art heaven" hes gotta go through art purgatory first

[@TillifyRené]

I watch more Greg more than JREG.

[@d.sfilms7677]

This is so well thought out

[@sandserpent]

Greg definitely read Dante's Inferno

[@numbsckull]

wtf bro dressed like a jigsaw apprentice

[@claireschweizer4765]

What in the Freud is this guy yapping about?

[@GNVceramics]

Hello Jreg I wanted to say that I listened to your latest Spotify release and it’s evident that your voice control has tangibly improved. Keep up the good work

[@TheMaxFusionGaming]

Please make Art Heaven. We all *need* to see what that looks like. Thanks for your art Greg, you impress me with your ability to articulate a desolate and bleak psychological landscape. Furthermore to perform the Herculean task of outlining (at least some semblance of) an optimistic conclusion in spite of the perception of utter hopelessness. TLDR: Art is scary, and I think you’re good at it.

[@lilyk3734]

interesting! this is a really elaborate diatribe with very little to say but it sure does give the illusion of meaning!

[@xenathcytrin202]

art purgatory should come before art heaven

[@JimmyJosephs-w8u]

Greg we love u man this was so great.

[@ooglyga6100]

Dude. I hate myself for watching this but fuck me bud. This is perfection as a presentation. I love you man,

[@chance9512]

That's cool Jreg. You really and totally convinced me that art itself isn't hell. Good job.

[@rory6984]

Life's hell on generql sometimes. The only difference between an artist and most other occupations is that there is no boss or client to pester you into being productive when you're feeling shit.

[@ro5alia]

I really love Greg Guevera so much. Not even just that I find a lot of value in what is said on this channel but just the act of making me think about art and creation and monetisation in so many ways

[@rory6984]

Greg is very interesting but as he has admitted himself, luck is a huge factor. You need noth luck, ability and the thw drive to capitalise on said luck.

[@ro5alia]

@@rory6984 indeed, as it is with most things. I just mean in a purely theoretical way that thinking more about art and not just in a general way but having so many facets and jumping off points is very valuable.

[@rory6984]

@ro5alia Yeah, fair enough. BTW I watched your history video, and it's actually pretty good. A cheap microphone would improve the audio a lot and make the whole thing more engaging, but I gotta respect you for putting yourself out there. Fair play

[@PresidentFoxman]

Art purgatory next

[@lockpickrogue-yc5wc]

just make art because you want to. if you don't want to make art. don't do it.

[@amdvsias]

fantastic summary of this god awful video that isnt even worth batting an eye at

[@JamesNelson-rq6sx]

relatable. doing occult stuff about this rn. very helpful. thanks for being a mentor.

[@ayra8977]

5:19 I closed the KZbin app to make art instead, thanks Jregory!

[@BlackMita]

God forbid I make art but someone decided I didn’t do it right. Woops! Yikes! Oof.

[@thatpak]

love watching some guy project for 15 minutes😎

[@theonewithoutidentity]

Please make the circles of art heaven, it could be a very interesting exercise and also good to focus on and articulate some of the ways artmaking can be a positive experience!

[@SoloCulprit]

i wont lie to some variable extent i feel i have been all of these at some point after deciding to take my creative career "more seriosly". This is a great video its a very real perspective but also it makes me feel alot better knowing these struggles arent something only ive dealt with . Wish you well on your journey, I really needed to see/hear this .

[@rvnsprng]

As a musician.....I needed to see this video. I'm a Yappy, Violent, Glutton. Thanks Jreg

[@beezlrompl]

This video needs chapters, this is amazing

[@Pighway]

The largest lie we tell ourselves as artists is that higher metrics will lead to fulfillment and joy.

[@fiona8081]

"I've got to post on all these subreddits that don't actually like my work" is very funny when you know all the Greg lore

[@ypso21]

"they suck your vril" he should have never learned about nick land

[@YehudiNimol]

Being able to make KZbin videos and not doing it has made me realize I don't want to do KZbin anymore. Now I don't know what to do. It's been my biggest dream even since I was 13 and now it's gone. Part of me thinks that it's because of KZbin's policies allowing less artistic freedom, or because of KZbin getting more and more corporate, or that I simply lack inspiration, but maybe it's somethjng deeper. I feel like my entire life I've been told a lie. I used to see my favorite youtuber and think I can be just like them, but nowadays half of these youtubers turned out to be terrible people, sold out or had a noticable decline in the quality of their content. Nowadays so much of the content that's popular on the site is slop designed to suck away at your attention span and there are many more KZbin videos with no substance than there were 10 year ago. Watchtime has become a God which we all bow to, and every schmuck is now capable of making the most garbage content and racking up millions of eyes on it by padding up the content as much as possible, saying 'unalive' instead of 'kill' a bunch of times and not saying 'fuck' during the first 30 seconds of the video. The world doesn't need any more youtubers, and it sure as hell doesn't need me. I have nothing of substance to add. Btw, the concept of resistance in the documents at 8:55 reminds me a lot of the concept of 'vitriol' in a book I'm reading called "Veronica Decides to Die". It's pretty much about the same thing - people going insane due to repressed desires. Also, your course is shady af. This comment is sponsored by Hello Fresh™

[@JustoBlondo]

I tried to see if I was in any of these circles of Art Hell but I think I only had my foot or even feet in some of them for a bit until I brought myself and actually made something!

[@CaptainShovelHead]

I'm like the yapper but it's all in my head and I still don't make anything

[@JackieJKENVtuber]

When you got to the greed section I just remembered the furry artist greentext where the guy hates furries but the money is so plentiful that he feels like he needs to keep drawing and vomiting after seeing his artwork in order to sustain himself

[@ebunny1652]

I used to be an artist like you, but then I took a nihilism to the knee and was like what's the point of any of this? now I'm a coping, self destructive, irony poisoned comsoomer!! but one day, I'll get back into making art. I'm not just saying that! I'll actually do it. I'm gonna fucking do it!! *closes the video and continues consuming*

[@_lil_lil]

"Their project is talking about the project" dude you didn't have to call me out

[@HBCrigs]

The last few days I've been working on calming my nervous system (ikr humble brag for doing the most basic shit) but this 100% applies to what I'm working on with my own work

[@WillSpencer0417]

Cool video Jreg, actually really like this kind of content you make. Interesting, pragmatic, and funny

[@aidanmccracken890]

I messed up a drawing and got sad and then came to youtube to cope by consuming content. Thank you greg for fixing me and pulling me out of the spiral

[@ellie1903]

good video I will now go draw my favorite character in a cat suit thank you jreg my GOAT

[@chancelafranceism]

14:37 I was telling an online acquaintance the same thing, surround yourself with critical supporters whom you support back too. 10/10, the day gluttony dies: I’m turning my phone off.

[@claireschweizer4765]

I think I'm getting all of these except the hearsay/heresey and violence

[@Linkard]

HERE'S SOME ADVICE if you're a Yapper that "wants" to create a KZbin channel. Here's what you do: Make music videos. You don't even have to post them online. I'm not joking. That's the first kinds of videos I started posting on KZbin. I learned timing, visual storytelling, and general video editing. Learn how to make videos this way. Take a movie you like, a song you like, and make them work. That's it. If you "want" to create a channel but haven't yet, you need to cut it out and actually make something ❤

[@thepostgradyear]

this comment got stuck in my head lol

[@Disjsbhc]

Can’t I just look unhinged on camera? Is that a no no?

[@thepostgradyear]

@@Disjsbhc tbh there's always a chance the first year of videos might come out looking unhinged anyways especially if something happens like a death in the family, AI nonsense related to what you're working on, or politics specifically going after your thing if it's on purpose it might be funny but accidentally looking unhinged might be a problem hilarious question though 😂

[@Disjsbhc]

@@thepostgradyear well I understand It’s funny but I wouldn’t want any of those things happening to me. I would like to watch them happen to someone else though. There’s something about turning people into lab rats without their knowledge that scratches some sort of perverted itch for me. It would be great content! Imagine betting on these people’s everyday actions, the amount of money one could be making there.. am I high trait antisocial? Oh to hell with it! We’re gonna milk these calfs until they waste away! Haha! 🤑🫡

[@Disjsbhc]

@@thepostgradyear I think KZbin deleted my comment again :/ my point was: if you’re gonna type something like that you might as well point me in the right direction. I don’t even feel like going through a legal battle over this, I just want peace and not having to be worried about microphones in the house.

[@Nug_Lord]

I move seamlessly and imperceptibly between each circle of art hell, a treacherous ouroboros consuming and producing content to fill the never ending void i create myself (Please do art heaven with biblically accurate angels, also fraud is definitely a layer of art heaven)

[@VerbDoesStuff]

I’ve escaped.

[@Nagasakevideo]

What's the circle of hell where im constantly creating art and putting it out there but not actually trying to ride any trends or really putting in the effort to get the art recognized? Meaningless toil.

[@wemakingmoves]

I feel deeply attacked on many levels. Good video Gregory !

[@fnotcool]

When the shadow and your affinity for creating art get so intertwined you can’t tell them apart.

[@ThePokeTesla]

This was a really enlightening video. Great work.

[@boneboy263]

I feel attacked *dies*

[@wiebenmusic]

enlightened af damn

[@MrFrigid247]

love the drip in this one!

[@21stabsalute]

actually brilliant

[@Aux.Pecker]

Oh god I'm at yappers and already I'm like, "oh yea my old roommate who drank all the time."

[@Jon-k7p]

This video is as deep as the Marianas trench, but the audience appeal is as wide as a penny. Bazinga!

[@Okayletsg0]

This is very helpful thank you :) I’d really enjoy to see the seven heavens or virtues or something as well to balance out avoiding negatives with positive habits to adopt instead!

[@BalladsPerspective]

I get it, but all that i hear is just hardcore non- constructive criticism in it's most full-blown punch in the face. Which in turn can really heighten feelings of self-doubt and imposter syndrome, particularly when you are dedicated to just creating art as something that you love [as your strenght] 👊💥🤕 OUCH!!!

[@primaldnb]

The natalists are the true artists

[@thekingoffailure9967]

They create creators (human beings) AND they have sex!!

[@arutha3251]

digging the fashion in this one

[@base4yrface]

I love your charts greg never stop

[@Puer_luminis]

The fraud and agnostic dichotomy hits hard. Was at that place for a few years and then became really numb to it after. A year ago I started doing very small creative things again. Like writing short poems or doing funny photoshop pics for my coworkers to laugh at. I am taking it slow, little by little. But it does make me feel a lot more fulfilled and happy. I love seeing people’s reactions in my immediate circles. Makes me feel like I have actual value as a human being.

[@renesaenz5264]

The universe delivers this, a punishment for actions I didn’t take, and my only response is to watch myself bleed, writhe. A promise of a future sans freedom and a validation of my past. The pain makes it feel like something else.

[@ieatpotato3371]

sans

[@dmacleod04]

You should legit do Purgatory and Heaven as a follow-up! That’s definitely not gonna count as an unhelpful double down!!!

[@OctovenderReal]

thank you gr. egg. I finished the first part of a fic I was writing because of this video

[@asdf-uc1fc]

Genuinely becoming less mentally ill once i started putting my money where my mouth is and WRITING, gonna check out that book too cool video

[@ka_okai9]

loving the doodles man keep it up!