The Normalized Sexualization of Male Idols [REUPLOAD]

The men have feelings too
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Original upload: March 15th, 2023

[@jordyn.h5197]

Heavy sexualization over an idol who doesn't even know you is never okay. Whether its a male, female, minor, or adult.

[@vdeviialyssa]

Pppl usually only do it bcz exactly.. the idol dosent know u? ITS 1000x werid if you know the person.. I rather them go online and say stuff the idol dosent know them then the idol knowing them cuz that’s js werid

[@mukymz8]

@@vdeviialyssa you don’t understand either. Imagine that there are people around you that you don't know, imagining wanting to have intimate relationships with you, but you don't know it, it's disturbing, but people deny it by justifying it with that same: "he doesn't know me" it's really disgusting, it's wrong, period.

[@sodamhmm..]

They said it's still weird even if the person know you.​@@mukymz8

[@flowers4jisoo]

Sexualization in general is not okay but I agree

[@konamipls]

I've always found it weird how people will tweet the most in-depth, sexual stuff about male idols and get tens of thousands of likes from people who seemingly think it's ok

[@morningsminion3242]

why? As long as it stays in the realm of fantasy and words, where's the harm? Fans have been "fan"-tisizing over their idols for thousands of years. Grow up.

[@musicchi]

@@morningsminion3242”why”??? So what if it’s been happening for years? That doesn’t make it okay. That makes it even worse. You’re telling me that you would want someone obsessing over your private parts and putting it out there on social media? It’s disrespectful and embarrassing for them and the idols. Even if the idols don’t show it, even is it’s been happening for years now, that doesn’t justify the fact that they are disgusting and THEY need to GROW UP.

[@ChocolateChipCookie0174]

@@morningsminion3242 I came to check if you are commenting on other people's posts, and low and behold you are. You only want to start a fight! 😤

[@simulationone]

💯

[@mukymz8]

@@morningsminion3242 When the "fans" learn to respect idols and stop seeing them as sexual objects, we will advance in society. So YOU should mature.

[@yasminchan7425]

Holy moly finally someone talking about MALE idols being sexualized.. It's never taken seriously like it is with female idols

[@co2474]

Some people has no empathy. They would burn the world if this happened to their own kid. They are somebody's kids too. I can't imagine being their parents. I love Stray Kids because I find them extraordinarily talented and enjoy their music. I understand young people going ga-ga over the idols but just can't wrap my head around when it is adults who do that. However, I find a lot of things cringey and inappropriate especially when people who are older post inappropriate thoughts and their lust over these "kids". Despite the robotic voice, I agree with this video.

[@traleegirl]

How about young actors in bls who are expected after acting in a bl series are then shipped with each other and have to carry on after the series ends living a lie that they are really in love with each other when they are not gay just to put money into the coffers of Agency's and film company's. Its disgusting the way they are used.If they need to do bls use real gay actors not straight actors because the fans soak up what they see and believe whats going on is actually true and buys all the paraphernalia that goes with it. In my book it's fraud.

[@Reverie_reveals]

yes exactly

[@samseungg]

i think the only way we can break the stigma that it’s ok to sexualize male idols is when we stop acting like men are more instinctively sexual than women. and the problem is, other men reinforce this too! the excuse of “i can’t help it. it’s in my nature” is constantly used in reference to justify sexual harassment, abuse and even r@pe. it’s the notion that men cannot control their sexual desires and must express them to others. this leads others to assume that because male sexual desire is by their nature, men ALWAYS want to be sexual, and that if they aren’t, they must be devoid of masculinity for not displaying it. but stans (including female stans) need to understand that they are fitting the role of the oppressor when they sexualize male idols. “he meant to raise his shirt up it’s fine. he’s over 18 he’s a man now why does it matter?” are excuses to justify the notion that once again that, to be a man you must be instinctively sexual. but men and women are not that different, men deserve to be treated with respect and not simplified to only a sexual deviant. men deserve to be seen as people, they deserve consent and they do NOT constantly want to be sexual just like women don’t want to be constantly sexualized.

[@brennathecatlover4360]

Female fans complain about sexualization then turn around and sexualize

[@growingglads]

dang girl, that 1st part.. where do you live?

[@samseungg]

@@growingglads i get why you’re worried lmao it’s not that. where i live is pretty tame. i just see stuff like that online all of the time and i took a feminist theory class so, stuff like this was always talked about especially the power dynamic between men and women.

[@ChocolateChipCookie0174]

Wow that actually makes a lot of sense! 😱

[@allergictohumansnotanimals5671]

Your opinions don't matter when men have biologically been proven to be more sexual than women. Get it through your head that men and women are different in a lot of aspects and that's one of them. You're speaking for them like you know what they go through and how they feel due to their hormones.

[@juunejun]

i still find it crazy how everyone was extremely against older men liking new jeans and having a bias that was a minor, but when it came to enhypen's niki/sunoo gaining older women fans, nobody said anything. the constant sexualization that niki went through and is still going through is so bad, I saw videos of women in their 30s cheering. cheering. for turning "of age". niki was extremely young when he debuted, yet no big protection actions were performed for him and the rest of the maknae line--unlike the support new jeans received. I'm not saying they didn't deserve it, because they all need to be protected (with the inclusion of halting the debuting of minors), yet when it was a minor boy, the expectations seemed to dwindle down to that of a minor girl. older preying on younger boys is also just as bad as older men preying on younger girls, so why does this happen? its extremely sad.

[@OMGMyHypeBoyKeita]

Exactly.

[@meatballzlover]

talk to em!!!! it’s so fucking weird. there was also this one instance with boynextdoor where a woman who was at least 30 told woonhak (who’s 16-17) that she’s “ready for him”… it’s so, SO fucking weird how everyone laughed it off, the members tried to protect him and laugh it off/move from the topic and woonhak looked so fucking uncomfortable

[@flowers4jisoo]

Imo there’s nothing wrong with an older man or an older woman having a bias that’s a minor unless they sexualize them

[@daryasolovyova9713]

"You definitely can control your fingers from typing" - it's in fact related not only to this topic. I believe: we are people, our thoughts sometimes can be inappropriate, rude or even cruel, even toward our close ones. It's ok, we need a way to harmlessly fulfill our emotions, but it doesn't mean this needs to affect world around and other people. And control of our behavior can actually help to restrict our thoughts.

[@LailaDarwish-vn4ic]

Love this!

[@loveloving1]

I think what bothers me about the whole kpop industry is that sooooo many fans wants the members to have a lot of skinship with each other to the point where some acts are inappropriate and some of the idols don't feel comfortable doing it. I hate it when idols are forced by fans and even their agencies to show "aegyo" or do something like that, even if by themselves or with members. Like, people need to respect them!!!

[@morningsminion3242]

You need to stop being a kpop fan. Sexualization and hot skinship on stage rocks.

[@carolinepaulino8649]

I agree. The push for the normalisation of paedophilia, homosexuality and feminisation of men is the reason for this.Society is trying to abolish the stigma associated with these abnormalities. Have you noticed that these K-pop idols and actors are pushed to wear girl clothes on stage to be push forward their careers. I think it is not so much fans wanting the man on man relationships. Their industry pushes this.

[@neobongzzz]

thank you so much for talking about this. in a span of 2 years i went from being uncomfortable to being okay with the sexualization of male idols, but as soon as anyone says anything mildly sexual about a female idol i throw hands, and i don't know why. i've also seen some people say that there isn't such thing as male sexualization and it's honestly crazy.

[@i.Dream.Binni3]

Whoever said that need to touch grass because the amount of time I seen people sexualizing male idols, especially young idols is just crazy and what sad is 60% of the time those people commenting sexual stuff are also minors... If we as women don't like it, why are we doing it to men?

[@LailaDarwish-vn4ic]

This happened to me as well! I (usually) don’t even blink an eye when male idols are being sexualized, but when it’s a female idol, I feel like throwing hands! I haven’t been in the K-pop fandom for a while now, but my fyp occasionally shows me kpop videos. I’ve read MANY disgusting comments under male idol videos, but I didn’t know how to react, because it’s so normalized that i feel like I’m kind of an outcast. I feel like I’m being dramatic, even.

[@stantxtforabetterlife_0913]

I'm so glad there are actually SOME people talking about MALE IDOL sexualization like....they never take it as seriously as female idols.

[@Actualary]

People just need to stop saying the quiet parts out loud, honestly. If you wanna imagine these idols sexually, just keep it to YOURSELF dawg. They don't need to know, other fans don't need to know. Keep it a secret.

[@boop2255]

PREACH. People get too comfortable in this and many other fandoms and think its just a sleepover with the besties or something 😭😭 I hope these socially-unaware people don't say stuff like this in public irl

[@Bonnke-i5k]

Im so glad that your discussion covered both male and female idols and pointing out the contrast between the protective reactions. Yes, please make one about the infantilization of idols. Thanks!

[@JMeve]

This had me remembering when a fan asked Sunghoon “Why don’t you show us your abs?” And he was like “…because they aren’t perfect yet”. He seemed some what fine with it BUT WHO TOLD YOU TO ASK HIM THAT?! What if he just didn’t want to? People are so desperate, delusional, and disrespectful. Like what the heck!

[@flawtee4150]

I was scrolling on tiktok and saw a video about a fan wants to solve korean fertile low rate and you know what solve she/he wants they will lock up heeseung in one room to solve the low fertile rate in korea. The most disappointing moment is when kpop fans in comment section are being mad to people who comment stop objectifying and sexualizing heeseung and the post is just a satire post. The comments are like "slay" or "go girl help the korea fertile rate". We know we will be triggered if the post is about female idol as we should but we should be also mad if the male idol is being objectify, because that post is literally about r@p€ like why would lock heeseung to help korea's low fertile rate.

[@txt.moa_luvs]

What the actual fuck- who even let this person get past the TikTok publish button

[@finuandrea]

The whole kpop industry has always been so toxic. But as a fans, we can, at least, try to be positive. Idols are humans too and we must respect them. And no need to be so delusional about them. Enjoy their music, support them in a healthy way.

[@mrsbeomgyu]

Oh my god, I'm so glad you talked about this. I remember having a discussion with fellow kpop stans about our unpopular opinions. I remember talking about how disgusting these fanfictions, Instagram users, ship edits are. Not only are they outright disgusting but some of them also make idols uncomfortable, imagine having 'ship edits' of you and your best friend of whom you think of as your sister/brother. I seriously can not even fanthom ever reading/discovering a smutfic of me and my bestfriend like HOW DISTURBING IS THAT. AND TO ADD TO THAT, they said something along the lines of 'oh, well I don't see any problems with that. You're just being sensitive.' LIKE WHAT THE FUCK. Moreover I remember seeing a smut fic of Niki when he was just 16, i remember everyone gawking and objectifying him, when I commented how disgusting they were, i was legit cancelled. It's just sad, how untalked yet common these things are. And yes you got a new sub! I look forward to seeing more videos bringing up stigmatised and ignored horrors idols in the k-pop industry have to go through! Tysm! Take care!

[@kidulting]

No, because the stuff I see on Twitter is insane. 😭 ateez each released a lipstick colour and people were saying it was based on their tip colours 🤡

[@txt.moa_luvs]

Ew 🤢

[@xxursolovelyxxX]

oh my ew

[@juunejun]

THIS WAS SO NASTY. like i genuinely don't know what goes through some people's heads...

[@Theoneandonly._.]

WTF...

[@East-pp7ds]

That’s disgusting😟

[@ChocolateChipCookie0174]

This is so true! There is so many weird people out there who think they have yhe right to talk inappropriately about these people they dont even know! Plus its just weird to talk about people inappropriately anyways so.. 😭 people need to get a grip! Amazing video!!

[@morningsminion3242]

Do tell me exactly what is "inappropriate." Thanks, I'll wait.

[@ChocolateChipCookie0174]

@@morningsminion3242 You just want to start fighting don't you? I don't want to fight with you, you can have your own judgement! Please take care of yourself! Have a great day! 😄

[@morningsminion3242]

@@ChocolateChipCookie0174 Who's fighting? I asked you to clarify a word you used in your comment. Apparently, you're unable to do that.

[@ChocolateChipCookie0174]

@@morningsminion3242 you should know what I am referring to if you watched the video! I am uncomfortable to even type it!

[@morningsminion3242]

@@ChocolateChipCookie0174 " I am uncomfortable to even type it!" How old are you, ten? I hope you overcome your sexual hangups by the time you make it through puberty.

[@antonnytinny]

I’ve seen ALOTT of people commenting on fancams saying “it” made me look” basically staring at the idols private part…

[@whereswesker]

Ateez a group that all of their fans sexualize them in ways that concerns me and that's all the entertainment they're getting from being an Ateez Stan whether they're sexualizing the groups friendship in sickening and delusional ways or the over hyper sexualizing of members especially San. Idc if he's not wearing a shirt or showing his upper body. He should be able to do that as an artist without having people saying disgusting things online where he could most likely see it. For that reason I stopped making friends with stans of my favorite group cuz the majority of them talks like that and by that they ruin my experience. I respect these idols and I cannot say such vile or vulgar things about them

[@annx.21]

As an atiny i agree cause i be telling other atiny's all this woosan or saying this memebr is this and that is gross they will go ahead and say its not thay deep and then it becomes an ick cause if u cant say it to their faces dont say it all

[@morningsminion3242]

What are these "disgusting" things said about this hot idol with his shirt off? I want to see what you consider "disgusting." I need a laugh.

[@Yxxyn._]

@@morningsminion3242 well I’m pretty sure you’d say the things fans say about female idols are “disgusting”. Making comments that fixate on a persons body is what is considered disgusting, especially when you’re shameless about it. They’re are always sick fans who are searching for idols bulges and making weird comments about it.

[@morningsminion3242]

@@Yxxyn._ SOME fans say these things you find "disgusting," and you fixate on THAT. An idol's overall physical appearance and sexual aura are part of their stage and video personae. It is one hundred percent human and natural to appreciate and comment on their looks. Why don't you try just skimming on by comments you don't like, instead of playing the self-righteous Church Lady, trying to police what other people think and say? You seem to have sexual hangups you might want to see a therapist about. "Disgusting," "shameless," "sick," "bulges," "weird;" all these terms indicate an unhealthy attitude toward one of the most natural things in the world, the appreciation of the beautiful human form. You're probably young, but you sound like you're 85.

[@whereswesker]

@Yxxyn._ thank you. Also you could type in Ateez on Tumblr and see how incredibly disturbing it gets. If those things are written about female they'd definitely be called out but for male idols it's totally fine....

[@raetalaward9128]

Well done. I agree and also appreciate you reminding me as well that enjoying the beauty of male or female artists can easily cross the line without constant self checking my own thoughts. Thank you very much, I think you did a great job and a service to us all.

[@avery1_1]

Choosing "Sculpture" as an outro is just so fitting for this video.

[@txt.moa_luvs]

I love that song so much

[@avery1_1]

@@txt.moa_luvs Same Same!!! That's in one of my favorite songs by them and even among other artists I listen to.

[@matildawitwicki3402]

Thank god someone is adressing this. As a fan of BL-series I draw a lot of parallels to that culture as well. Especially the culture of thai BL as they are “kings” of shipping. I personally don’t ship actors or artists, I just find it heartwarming when they are being sweet towards each other. BUT….it should be because they want to be sweet to each other, not because someone tells them that they have to or because it benefits the company they are signed up for. Personally I’m extremely fed up with the macho-culture amongst men in general, society’s vision of what a man or a woman is. These visions doesn’t help niether woman nor men to live in a healthy society. Even though woman are more likely to get targeted, used and sexualized it doesn’t mean that men are never not. We are all humans and I believe the big problem is that we need to change the overall mentality. Regardless of being a man or a woman it’s not a weakness to show emotions or to ask for help from others. To believe that men should just suck it up and take all the negative shit coming their way because they are men is just as stupid as saying that women are only good in the kitchen and bringing children into the world. I believe we are all responsible for changing the way we look at men and women. Another problem is that we live in the era of technology. One snap or one click and someone can be seen by the whole rest of the world in minutes. Suddenly becoming available for everyone to share their opinion about. I don’t say we should go backwards, but because everything is going so fast today we should hit the breaks once in a while and reflect on whether things we do in the world actually are for a good cause or just for the fact that “because we can”.

[@boop2255]

Here's something ironic: right under this video, I got recommended 1.5hr compilation of idols reading thirst tweets 💀 AND THE TOP COMMENT WAS LIKE "we need bang chan to do this" Ion know, I've just found that concept weird and awkward knowing what they're bound to see if idols stumble upon that side of the community on their own.

[@heezesty]

I GOT THAT TOO i thought it was so weird that it was right under this video

[@n.nov._a]

ME TOO BRO

[@Bewweekly]

One thing I especially noticed is that some kpop fans have no shame talking about a male idols behind and don't recognize that as sexualization but when it's with female idols, they automatically throw hands. It just baffles me how someone can be this self un-aware and this much of a hypocrite. It's honestly scary how male sexualization is so normalized in the kpop community. I've seen that many people don't even get shocked nor angry/upset when they see someone talk inappropriately about a male idols body. Also the comments on some male idols fancams are just absolutely disgusting. If you commented something like that on a female idols fancam, people would start burning you alive in the comments, but it's suddenly okay to say that if it's with male idols? I just don't get it. It's never okay to say things like that under a video of someone who you DON'T KNOW.

[@morningsminion3242]

It's ok with me. I look at male idols' butts every chance I get, which is why they're often costumed the way they are, and I don't care what you think about it.

[@iwanttobeontheisland]

I find it really weird when companies have male idols dress up in those sailor suits like little boys 😕

[@misspriss2482]

I don't and I'll tell you why. Some people are into it. It's gross, but female servers said that when they dress like little girls (pig tails, knee socks, Catholic school girl outfits), they get a lot more tips and certain men will even request them. Ugh!

[@iwanttobeontheisland]

@@misspriss2482 That is also very unsettling

[@kholebelleskeeterbug5104]

Yeah, actually

[@finp6094]

Lol I did a video about this on tiktok and the comments saying its not a big deal and saying im sensitive is crazy honestly 😭

[@Frofg-j4b]

I also find shipping very weird tbh. I am just imagining that I am working with another bro and people start calling us boyfriends💀. No hate to gay people, but I dont swing that way bruh. And I can see it being pretty offensive and annoying if a lot of people start doing it online💀.

[@misspriss2482]

Except that they play into it. You and I both know that agencies pair different people to see which ship catches on. If a ship becomes popular, it's their job to do fan service to feed that ship. When different pairings do couple things, it's not a coincidence. They know the camera is there and unless it's live, the agency reviews that footage and releases it to the public. Most of these so-called moments only make it to air because they want them to be seen. Be real. Shipping is good for business and they fully encourage it. Idols are made aware of this as part of their training. It's part of the job.

[@matildawitwicki3402]

@@misspriss2482just because it’s part of the job as for today it does not mean that it’s a good thing and that we automatically should support that. I’m actually very happy that at least within the world of thai bl there is a very healthy trend going on where many actors reveal their real life partners. This I believe is part of naturalizing this crazy shipping thing going on. I’ve also seen a lot of actors questioning this whole thing about which name is coming first and which name is coming last cuz people somehow have made this significant with whom is being “top” or “bottom”. They do the same within the k-pop culture. As if they think that they are entitled to know these kind of things. It bothers me that they have to deal with this kind of shit just because they want to persue their dream of becoming an actor or an artist within k-pop.

[@fallenangel6419]

As a queer, I don't like shipping (except if it is just a joke) because it makes orientation a fetish. I am disgusted by the girls writing p0rn fanfics about gay relationship as much as I am disgusted by straight men watching lesbian p0rn.

[@vdeviialyssa]

Money money moneyyyy bro

[@owl234]

@@matildawitwicki3402 yeah omg the bright fans were so furious lmao when they got to know he has a gf. Like... Get a life

[@gg.strawbrry]

i just wish people will start realizing that idols are HUMANS!! they have feelings and emotions and the things you do and say AFFECT THEM. they are like everyone else you see on the street. they are strangers! you don’t know them (personally that is) and they don’t know you!! we should respect them and their bodies just like we would any other person.

[@luunara7065]

Stray Kids pulled me in with their sound and looks, but I stayed because of their characters. The more you learn about them, the more you want to protect them! I mean, they are hot, but if that was all they had, I wouldn't have stayed in the fandom. Period. They are like art, you need to look at it from all angles, take it in, appreciate it. If one piece would be missing, it wouldn't have the same effect. They are humans, they have flaws and that is what I like about them. I just enjoy the show and hope that they are happy with their work and life.

[@heckyeahloog]

i had a friend who was so over sexualizing towards kpop idols to the point she was zooming in and saving photos of their private parts, truly disturbing and im glad im no longer in contact with her. its a mental illness imo, and i hope her and anyone else doing ts gets help

[@smeetbotato]

This is a major reason i think kpop has such a bad reputation. I understand being obsessed with following your favorite artists but the sexualization is just wayyyy too much. Im asexual so i think i see it more easily but it is genuinely off putting how much fans sexualize their faves. Personally, i think the agencies probably do push a lot of sexualized dance moves, and it's noticeable to me because it sometimes makes me uncomfortable lol. Plus, i think if something is said once or twice, people just copy it so much it gets to the point of being weird and overdone, like the babygirl stuff. Like, it might be funny once or twice but then they try to make it their whole personality type or smth. Or like, "duality". obviously they have duality, THEYRE A HUMAN, we are multi-faceted. I sure hope theyre not a one dimensional person without any depth to their personality 😒

[@luv4eva1111]

omg the duality thing was always felt weird to me like are they always supposed to always act the exact same way..? and itll always be like a picture if them being normal and then of them performing or somethting like ofc theyre acting different theyre literally acting as part of their performance which they have ti do because its their job...

[@borntobetogether]

THE DUALITY THING IS SO BEYOND STUPID😭 it be like *one picture of them smiling* and one of them performing. Sounds like something a ten year old would tweet 😭

[@Alex.Hustad]

Imagine working day in and day out to be better at what you do just to be treated like a piece of meat that has no other value than to be drooled over. Finding idols attractive is just inevitable and talking about how hot you find someone is or watching edits or whatever is absolutely fine. I'm a straight man and even I do that with male idols. But the way people go feral and act like it's okay to say the most sexual shit about a person they don't even know is insane. They're not characters in a show, they're real human beings that wants to, and should be, appreciated for the constant hard work and effort they put in everyday.

[@morningsminion3242]

When they are on stage or in a video, they are EXACTLY "characters in a show" and nothing else. Offstage or offscreen is another matter. What a weird thing to say. Maybe you're the one who doesn't know the difference between fantasy and reality.

[@deborahscott8162]

Yes, there appearance is important, but me personally focus more on their singing abilities. I place the blame more on their companies for having them to perform in such a way especially when some are so young and not adults.

[@strabwerry_jam]

it's always surprising to me that so many women are comfortable with this behavior when we are so conscious of how disgusting society, especially men, can be towards us. i've had to listen to people sexualizing me against my will before, as a child and an adult, and every time it makes me feel ill. i would never want the idols who make me happy to feel uncomfortable..

[@katsukii.21]

great video! this is a topic I don't really see discussed often... from my observation across the years online (specially on twitter) I've only ever seen the two extremes: people who protect these idols so much they infantize them and people who will say the most vile explicit things like it's nothing... it's so normalized and im starting to think it lowkey is bc they're from a different culture than us (at least on the western side...) that being said, I will admit that I find myself guilty of various things noted in the video. you helped me become even more conscious of moral dilemmas I already had going around in my head and I will try to improve upon them now, and I really hope we all do in general!

[@cfd514]

NO CAUSE YOU ARE SO REAL FOR THIS. This is something I've really noticed in the time I've been a Kpop fan and I was and still am surprised that some people just don't see anything wrong with it??? Like people are so quick to jump to defend female idols from any sexualization, but not when it comes to male idols??? Like they deserve the same respect and decency??? They're all human??? I saw this so much with Niki especially, and I literally pray to god that he doesn't see half the stuff I have come across about him. It's so sad and frustrating that the double standard exists and people just continue to think it is perfectly okay just because they are men. There's so many things about the industry and the way fans interact with idols that is just so wild and normalized when it really shouldn't be, and this is one of them. I'm glad people are at least talking about it so some awareness can be spread, because it really is such an issue. Not just concerning the fans but also the companies that they are a part of.

[@misspriss2482]

With all due respect, agencies sexualize idols and idols are taught to look, dance, and dress provocatively. There. I said it. Every industry sells sex, including Kpop. There is literally no other reason that any of these idols dress half-naked, do hip rolls and thrusts, and look into the camera seductively. The sexualization of male idols has been normalized because the industry, just like every other industry, perpetuates it. It's not going away because they don't want it to go away. If sex (and to a certain extent sexual fantasy) was not such a huge component of the industry, most of their profits would disappear and they know this. Some of us are here for the music and would listen to these groups regardless, but I suspect that that isn't the motivation for most of kpop's target audience.

[@luv4eva1111]

ive noticed it too.. like when i went to concerts everyone would cheer louder if they did thrusts or something but it just made me feel weird or people would cheer louder if more skjn is shown its just super objectifying :(

[@carinadolk8933]

It's not just pictures and comments, but fan-art as well. Some fan-art I've seen on FB has made me really uncomfortable, depicting heavy make out-scenes etc between male members of groups. My thinking is, I wouldn't want someone creating a drawing of my bestie and me in a sexual situation.

[@Real_Jungwon]

thank you so much for this! I've seen so many things where people say gross things about idols and its never really called out.

[@i.Dream.Binni3]

15:57 What? That's horrible! I heard something similar happened to the Olsen twins, where people created a website to count down the days until they turned 18. Like wth? 🤢 If I was in the entertainment industry and this happened to me, I would honestly just quit. Just because I'm a public figure and I turned 18 doesn't give you the rights to my body, nor did I give consent for you to take a picture of my underwear! Like if we are punishing creeps who do this in public spaces, we also need to give the same energy to the reporters who are crossing the line into predatory behavior.

[@starhwas]

Yes! The twin countdown was horrible! The worst I have seen though is when Shiloh Jolie was born, there was a countdown for when she turned 18. As a literal infant….

[@i.Dream.Binni3]

@@starhwas Shiloh Jolie? I don't think I heard of that name before but I'm beyond disgusted. 🤮 What has the world become where now people are making countdowns for babies? Jesus Christ... Edit: Oooh! they're Angelina and Brad Pitt's child? And Oh God they just turned 18...

[@whitelisted1699]

the no lube no protection etc. thingi found it disgusting but its been so normalized its actually crazy.

[@HZNA_JazzTeddy]

This is literally the FIRST time someone actually decided to defend male Kpop idols in this type of situation , it’s honestly disgusting how people actually have the confidence to do this. This actually reminds me of a time , and it was when Hyunjin (Stray Kids) got sexualised while performing a concert in US (United States) , apparently his bVlg3 was shown on camera , and at some point it was posted on p0rñ websites and others , ( some websites even had his ‘You-Probably-Know-What’ ZOOMED in, and it got called ‘hot fancam 🥵’ ) the scene even got leaked on other social media platforms such as TikTok. It’s going to far. The Kpop Industry/Society NEEDS to do something about this. So does the Company’s that they belong to or work in. I’ve noticed that not ALL women get protected from sexualisation..the majority of women that are protected are those who have an important role in the group, company, or/and even the whole Kpop Industry itself. It’s because they are ‘ too special to be sexualised ‘ , meanwhile other women who are not that worldwide famous , or even with less beauty and body shape are constantly ignored when being sexually targeted. What’s worse is that minors in Kpop are being sexualised too. In fact , it should not be happening to ANYONE. And in MY opinion , Kpop agencies should not be debuting minors , it should be stopped , bc recently so many children are debuting. But it’s okay if a minor is a trainee at the agency , they just shouldn’t be debuting until the age of 20-25+. And even if they debute at that age still does not mean you can sexualise them. Bc Ik one idol who debuted when they were only 9 ( not sure if this is true but that’s what I’ve heard/seen ) , and not even a week after that young girl debuted she got sexualised for wearing a short skirt. On one TikTok the caption was ‘ HER THIGHS , I WANT TO BE BETWEEN THEM SO BAD ‘ with the clip of her wearing a short skirt. Idk who you are , but what you’ve said and mentioned in this video is really important. Everyone should be aware. This is really impressive. Thank you for taking your time on this sensitive topic/presentation 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@txt.moa_luvs]

That instance with Hyunjin is the one I mentioned in the video towards the middle of section 4, but I had no idea it made it to those websites…

[@HZNA_JazzTeddy]

@@txt.moa_luvsIk. IT’S CRAZY. There are many other idols that have been sexually targeted Aswell that we probably don’t know of..

[@meatballzlover]

THANK YOU OH MY GOD. anytime i mention this or talk about his im always fucking dog piled on with people who say “it’s just a joke” it’s so fucking annoying

[@cfd514]

The industry has so many issues that need to be addressed, but I think a lot of them stem from how they market idols, not as the human beings with faults, autonomy, and feelings that they have, but instead as these perfect, idealized people that are literally shaped to appeal to you. And so, I think a lot of the sexualization comes from this idea that they are more like fantasies or objects for the audience to cling onto. And they don't see as much of an issue with it because they forget they are humans too (which is like actually insane??? but yeah). And I feel that with male idols specifically, it is easier to overlook it because we as a society have recognized that men are more generally privileged and less likely to be sexualized in day-to-day life compared to a woman. And societally we have not had that conversation about male sexualization brought to the forefront yet. And so I think that because a majority of the people sexualizing the male idols are women themselves, and they feel like it is much less serious when it's directed at a man than a woman because they are more aware of the sexualization of women and can even relate to it. But can't do the same with men. And also the internet is just a huge echo chamber where people feel like they don't have to face the consequences for what they say. Anyways, those are my thoughts on it. And I'm sure there's a lot that goes into it, but I think we really need to examine the Kpop industry and its faults.

[@yeonjunniee]

This was an amazing video, this awareness was needed. It is so creepy when stans sexualise idols!!

[@txt.moa_luvs]

You made my day by recognizing my channel, I’ve watched your shorts for ages 🥹💜

[@Kazayuki]

Thank you for this video of awareness. I had to talk down some crazys in the comment section who werre defending these sexual acts like no this isnt right and they need help. Also if you could another serious topic i wish you could possible talk about is netizens calling anyone who is rich or with conections a nepo baby cause so many kpop idols like that get bullied online and hated on simply for being born in a rich family and its tirings. Thank you 😌

[@zeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee265]

It can't stop unfortunately. Outside of sex appeal, there is literally nothing else that would set kpop idols....or any celebrity for that matter apart from the general population enough for their target audience to want to spend their money on them. These companies market these kids as sexually desirable to their base on purpose. It's much more than just the cliché "sex sells" too. They are selling a fantasy to their base...making them believe that if they simp hard enough, maybe one day, they might be lucky enough to stand next to them. Idols are not considered normal people. Normal people don't have their named chanted by the thousands and weirdos breaking into their hotel rooms to steal their towels or dirty socks.

[@misspriss2482]

This. Every industry sells sex - music, movies, TV. It doesn't matter. For example, why else would every Marvel and DC movie feature the male hero shirtless and wet in at least two-three scenes? To me, this video sounds very naive.

[@alyssag1983]

I guess I see what you mean by this. I thought of fancalls and how it is used for selling the possibility of flirting with an idol. People spend hundreds of dollars on albums to try to win them, and it increases album sales. Mainly boy groups get the benefits from this strategy. it's kind of insane to think about spending a lot of money just to talk to an idol for 1 minute.

[@zeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee265]

@@misspriss2482 Of course they're naive...because they're likely a teenager that doesn't understand anything outside of their teenage bubble. Actual adults understand how propaganda works. Marketing is very effective on kids because kids and teenagers typically aren't able to see that they are being manipulated...because minors are generally naive. But make no mistake about it, sexualization is the prime reason why these boy and girl groups become popular to begin with. Idols and their fans are in a parasocial relationship built on a false sense of romance. Idols are essentially "dating" their fans. That's why the illusion is broken the moment they behave like actual human beings.

[@brennathecatlover4360]

I get there are idols that clearly do like to sexualize themselves but there’s idols that just stand there and fans will create the most sexual scenario out of it

[@whyistheskyblue9422]

Difficult topic, since it's not just the fans that are to blame. It's the whole industry and fans just overexaggerate... Which happens because they get obsessed. Too much internet. Too less real life... Many kpop fans are too much into this and forget their real life, because honestly, if you would go outside, you would see that screaming because of a little bit of skin is just stupid... Or do all these other things... They're all just too much into the internet world and forget real life rules...

[@STAY.IKNOWYOUKNOWWEKNOW...]

I think that if you are a kpop idol these days, doing aeygo or at least one of the group showing their abs is expected. By signing up to aim to be an idol those things will be an expectation from the off. It's part of being in an idol group. To me they are performers doing a performance, and hopefully can distance themselves from their role. There are two problems with this. The first is that they often start training when they are very young and therefore don't really appreciate how they are going to feel doing these things when they are older. The second is when they are now tied into a group and when asked to do things they aren't comfortable with by their company, they feel obliged to suck it up and do it for the sake of the group and their future. It's not easy to just leave when you aren't happy. In normal life, if you really don't like your job, you can aim to get yourself a different job. In kpop, when you have debts to the company, responsibilities to your group, and fame you can't just drop and it goes away, you are stuck in your roll in life. Luckily, with Stray kids and Seventeen, they have strong leaders that won't let the members be too far pushed out of their comfort zone. It helps that they are multi talented groups and aren't just pawns to their company. I pity many other groups that are given songs and choreography that are dictated to them. That's where, as sex sells, the company will be motivated to sexualise them especially. I'm not comfortable with the over- sexualisation in certain choreography, but you can still support the group by listening to the music and watchibg other content. They are doing what they do to get fans, so you aren't helping them if you don't support them.

[@betxengi5388]

That's why people who say that KQ is so great and perfect for me are simply blind to sexualization. Ateez's choreographies are full of moves that are simply meant to attract attention to their s€x organs. Their stage outfits also very often reveal their abs, or showing their abs is treated as a permanent element of the choreography. Even their rookie group Xikers already has such elements in its choreography. Additionally, Ateez's fans are mostly shippers of the members and I have the impression that idols treat providing romantic moments between themselves as fanservice. This is not normal and this behavior drives fans, which may even lead to a disaster in the future. Ateez members take part in creating their own choreography, which amazes me even more that their desire is to promote movements that are associated with s€x.

[@misspriss2482]

@@betxengi5388 We aren't blind to sexualization. However, Ateez isn't doing anything that other groups don't do. At the very least, no one was a minor when they debuted and they didn't start getting sexy concepts until they were an older group. Why you are choosing to pick out Ateez for this when Stray Kids have some of the most unhinged shippers out there is beyond me. Minsung, Hyunlix, Changlix - sound familiar? Shipping between Felix and Hyunjin got so bad that JYPE started separating them on air due to death threats that they were getting. Yes, KQ is a good company in all aspects. However, if the standard you're going by is whether or not idols are sexualized and fan service happens, literally no agency would pass that test. All of them play that game. 🙄🙄

[@luv4eva1111]

i feel like i notice this more as an aroace person (cant feel romantic or sexual attraction) and probably even more because i have genophobia so i notice the sexualization more because it makes me wildly uncomfortable and can cause me to have panic attacks sometimes but yea there is definitely a lot of weird things people think is ok to say about kpop idols and even worse the companies (who i assume are the ones probably making the idols do sexual things) who just want money and know that the weird fans will buy the objectification. i just wish that idols had a say in it more because i dont think they have much of a say in these types of things - i dont stan many groups anymore so txt is my only current source for this but i remember that soobin said when it was announced theyd be doing a sexy concept (for tnc temtpation) he cried for a few hours bc he was nervous or didnt want to and now with the unit song hes a part of i can only hope he had a say in whether or not he had to be in that song :( and thats just one member from one group so i cant imagine what its like for the countless other idols that do concepts like this and constant fan service or whatever... i hope in kpop they just start to normalize fans acting more normal (not constantly sexualizing idols and/or being delusional) edit:also from reading these comments i see a lot of people saying that this is just the nature of fans and without secual attraction being marketed to them they wouldnt have any fans - but no i am living proof!!!! especially bc i have genophobia so those things actually repel me but yea i am proof that fans can exist who dont objectify or sexualize their idols so stop making excuses for the people that do and hold them accountable to change because everyone is capable of being respectful and not crossing boundaries

[@juliet2756]

I seen a program where one of the boys in a now very popular band was auditioning. The Entertainment Company "big whig" told one of the boys "you are so handsome" and was holding his hand. The boy couldn't have been older than 18. I cringed. I could tell the young fellow was uncomfortable. The sad thing is that the young ones want this life, I think even if they are preyed upon. One of the Mom's said she didn't want her son to be a K-Pop Star, because she knew the dark side of the industry. Her son insisted. I was just thinking today that I wouldn't know what I would do if my son wanted this lifestyle. Thank God I don't have a South Korean son with these dreams. This video popped up after my thoughts. Some look so thin, gaunt and unhealthy. They are truly beautiful boys inside and out, and I just want to bring them home too feed and nurture them. Like my own sons. They are wonderfully talented, but I literally cry for them at the same time. I bet some of their parents are devastated.

[@elizabethhadley4460]

Very interesting and timely topic. I wonder what the artists think about how the industry operates and if it works for them. Thank you.

[@helpimdrowninginsadlava]

I’ve always found it infuriating when people react to txt and are like “Nah Kai is a maknae, why they making him do stuff like that” when Taehyun is right fricking there behind him- I mean, what do you even call that? It’s not double standards exactly, they just selectively ignore??

[@txt.moa_luvs]

This is something I will definitely address in a future video because it’s not just Kai it’s also the way a lot of MOAs treat Beomgyu and refuse to accept he wants to act hot or sexy by calling him “baby bear” or “maknae Gyu” when he’s older than Taehyun, and for some reason Taehyun is allowed to act like an adult? That makes zero sense

[@betxengi5388]

I do not like this behavior. I prefer it when something like this happens naturally, not just to show off. For me, TXT is, above all, musicians and in all their performances you can feel their passion for it. That's why their sexy side doesn't suit them for me. Of course, as idols they can sometimes feel horny, hight, be excited etc. and even without any dirty intentions they can look hot like that, but I have the impression that the company sometimes just forces it on them and it looks like fan service. There were situations where Soobin just didn't feel confident in an outfit that revealed too much, there were similar situations with Beomgyu or Kai, and in a few weeks the same members will dance killa choreography or gotta go. I'm sorry but it doesn't work for me. It's good that members are becoming self-confident, but that doesn't mean they have to be forced to sexualize themselves. Tinnitus and killa are simply songs that I don't even want to see performed because of the choreography

[@betxengi5388]

The sexy side of TXT doesn't work for me the only exception is when it's subtle and their biceps or p€nis aren't being pushed towards the camera. Having been in K-pop for a long time, one is no longer even looking for any sexuality, but is looking for real, cool music and passion. If I wanted sexualized choreography, I would find dozens of such groups but I'm here for their music and it makes txt unique and worth attention. Why should they be ashamed of their behavior after some time because it was forced? I literally went through the same thing with a group from the same label. Let them be musicians, not s€x objects

[@vdeviialyssa]

@@txt.moa_luvsbcz the way he acts

[@mgxzx]

finally somebody talks about this...

[@lovetahsin]

the way I could go on and on about this bc gg stans (not idle stans bc they understood soyeon message) were petty & upset to see stans using the nxde song for male idols when they get sexualised just as much. Just because you don’t like boy groups don’t dismiss the over sexualisation male idols go through & start treating them like human beings as well. Off topic but, yes it’s unfortunate for there to be more disbandments and members leaving for girl groups but why the cheer or demand for it to be the same to male groups? They only treat them as human beings when it’s needed for their case.

[@bbaranski8181]

If we actually take the time to get to know our idols as real people, beyond their beauty, their sexy apparel and their make-up and bling, we actually end up amazed at their personal accomplishments, their hard work and sacrifices for their craft. Don't get me wrong, my heart skips a beat quite often. How can it not, looking at so much beauty, but at the end of the day you have to have respect for the price they pay to entertain us. Love to all idols, from California

[@D_M00N]

Thank you for making a video like this, as a multistan, I've seen so many fans saying disgusting things about male idols. It makes me so uncomfortable to see that fans who claim to care about their idols make inappropriate posts, fanfics, etc. about their bias. The things people say are so disgusting and it's so disappointing that they get away with it. Since I stanned Enhypen a little after their debut, I saw so many people saying weird things about Ni-Ki and Jungwon, especially Ni-Ki, who was the youngest. There were hundreds of fanfics about him, but he was barely 16 years old. It's so stupid how whenever someone talks about it, some people seriously think "oh you're too sensitive he looks fine doing the dance." He literally didn't choose the concepts or lyrics, even if he doesn't show any discomfort, it's still so disrespectful and inappropriate.

[@chen-ql5ud]

I think it's shocking and disturbing the way people praise Enhypen for being sexy when Ni-ki literally turned 18 just last year. You see people boycotting companies and getting mad over things like Eunchae dancing to smart or New Jeans singing cookie, and criticizing hybe for letting minor girls act too suggestive, the things Ni-ki did were straight up sexual, he was literally dancing on an award show while being cuffed with a red string when he was 14 YEARS OLD. not to mention him and Jungwon's Mix and Max choreography when he was 16 years old, that literally includes biting and strangling Jungwon. Do I even need to say anything about Bite me's lyrics? Sacrifice?? I was honestly horrified when these songs came out and the fact that fans embraced and loved them without any critic is insane and extremely problematic. And I say all of this as someone who loves Enhypen and Ni-ki. I think all of these young female idols 100% deserve this support and concern from fans, but this whole concept of sexualizing minor male idols is only the tip of the iceberg, this topic is so rotten it makes genuinly sad. I think the only solution is normalizing and making room for the idols themselves to state their take on this situation, this is the only way irrational fans would listen. But it's obviously a problem of itself sense companies, fans, idols and the industry at large makes no room for such serious and needed conversations.

[@AngelCaroline9]

Finally this is talked about omg!!

[@dr3wdr0ps]

I applaude you for covering this topic, the sexualization of male idols is a serious issue that has to be discussed about more often as it has been so normalized this year that they make it seem like it isn’t a problem, there were times where I would scroll on tiktok then land on a video where it sexualized an idol; roleplay, fancam angle and lives, if you’re confused about what I mean with fancam angles & lives i’ll explain it, certain fancams have an angle where their pants make it seem like they have a b*her leaving some fans to point it out, same with lives, there was a video I crossed paths with where mingi from ateez was innocently stretching and was trying to fix his sitting position, one of the comments said "why is he offering it", he wasn’t offering anything, he was just stretching, honestly i’m incredibly disgusted of how society turned out, an innocent thing can instantly turn dirty minded since of one’s mind, where do I even start with roleplay? As you know there are roleplays with some characters being a male k-pop idol, it can be wholesome, sad, angst, but unfortunately there is a disgusting version too, it got so bad that even enhypen’s official weverse account had to announce stuff regarding those topics, I honestly don’t understand how people sexualize male idols with a straight face, Imagine you are in their shoes, a male k-pop idol who’s not doing anything, yet they still find a way to sexualize you, Those certain people who sexualize k-pop idols don't realize that what they are doing is making a person uncomfortable, A REAL HUMAN BEING. I have a feeling that they DO know what they are doing but they continue doing it to feed their "delusions", Also you do not own k-pop idols, DO NOT harass/assault them, sexualize them or verbally abuse them, If you are the type of person who sexualizes not only male but female idols, I seriously hope you find help in the future.

[@fuujimmmm]

I love how some people had a problem with older men being bunnies but then once it’s a male idol it’s not a problem?, and some stans wait for younger members to turn 18 bc in the stans eyes that’s legal age but the age of majority in Korea is 19. They are not only sexualizing a person they barely know they’re also sexualizing minors.

[@Hellokitty_391]

Mingyu stans i'm looking at YOU RN

[@Sandrinarhonda]

Literally they’re the reason why I don’t like mingyu anymore!!

[@Hellokitty_391]

@Sandrinarhonda 😭 i'm a huge gyuldaengie but seeing my fellow gyuldaengies makes me so uncomfortable 😓

[@Sandrinarhonda]

@hellokitty_391 exactly, this is why I’m a Vernon Stan, always correcting these delulu people lol.

[@heeseungs_sister553]

I also wanna say that there are those weird like analysis videos about kpop ships and for txt it was mainly taegyu and they were made like 3 yrs ago which would make them both 19 years old at the time… they also used clips in the video from even longer ago which is just super weird 😐

[@tiramisunsun]

What is sad to me is that it seems a lot of male k-pop idols think of themselves like that too. A lot of them appear surprised when a fan doesn't want them to be sexy/show abs/acts like their boyfriend and it just makes me upset, because I like Stray Kids and other boygroups for their music, not their bodies or some boyfriend fantasy. Sure, they're handsome, but that's like, an afterthought for me, and certainly not a reason/excuse to sexualise them. I hope they know there are fans out there who don't view them purely as sexual fantasies/objects.

[@cammythings1901]

Honestly, thank you for this video. While I've never said anything weird about Kpop idols on the internet, I will definitely rethink how I speak about my fave Kpop idols in the privacy between me and my friends.

[@crypticshadows]

Yes this is so true and there’s also sexualization of asian men a lot too. My bf is korean and some of the comments he’s gotten is really creepy. He said it’s common for ppl to think asian men are more feminine as well, which i’ve noticed people talking about as well especially with the “pretty” comments instead of handsome lol. Anyways it’s just really weird and creepy. Honestly, if some idols have a “sexy” concept and they are adults they probably are fine with sexualization but if it’s like a random ass man on the street it’s soo weird (like with my bf lol)

[@ash_g8st944]

The jongho thing reminded me when we say his KNEES and people were going crazy it’s so weird and they were saying things like “I feel like when men in the … saw a woman’s ankle”

[@vdeviialyssa]

Nobody real talks about the discomfort of the idol unless it’s very obvious or the idol point it out themselves

[@Frofg-j4b]

Kpop has a lot of people that see grass either on tv, or once every year.

[@HelenaAnn-ke3sx]

Sometimes i find myself randomly talking to Stray Kids or cuddling one of my stuffed animals, thinking I'm higging them only out of comfort reasons. Stray Kids are like a safe space for me and I hate the fact that they get sexualized 😢 I wish the companies would actually DO something about it...

[@Reistarluv]

10:55 thats absolutely disgusting

[@latiarabrown7903]

Omg. Thank you for this!!!

[@Ariadwyn]

We also need to stop supporting videos where Idols/actors read thirst tweets.....

[@txt.moa_luvs]

Honestly speaking why is this even a thing 😭

[@Ariadwyn]

@@txt.moa_luvs I am guilty of watching them. But reflecting on it makes me cringe. Some idols might be ok with the comments but like the video said they might also be forced by others

[@ArmantoAlex13]

Ironically, Jimin was the ONLY one in BTS who was ripped in the early days; it’s why much of the time he was styled with sleeveless shirts. He was also told to bear his abs during certain songs and he didn’t like it. Many (crappy) fans and antis from other fandoms accused him of being fat - apparently they didn’t know the difference between muscular and fat. He felt the pressure to go on a strict diet and he took it too far…it was affecting his health. He learned valuable lessons over the years; and having grown up and feeling secure within himself, he maintains a PROPER male modern dancer’s body: lean, flexible, strong core and muscular thighs. His body is perfect and he eats healthy - he has been eating healthy for a few years. He wasn’t suffering from anorexia…the difference is he felt forced to lose weight because of outside pressure. People with anorexia feel the pressure and need to diet/not eat within themselves. People need to learn the difference before they label other people.

[@elisou242]

Je veut télécharger la vidéo pour la regarder après 😭. Elle à l'air incroyable ❤. Merci de parler de se sujet ✨

[@aznjr]

some people might attack me for this, but sexualization of idols is what runs the industry, and yes it’s the harsh truth, that’s why they always come up with revealing dance moves and wear revealing clothes, being in the industry, they can’t escape it as it is a part of their job, because their job revolves around creating a parasocial relationships witht their fans and only by sexualizing themselves can they achieve this, yes not all are sexualizing these idols, but we cannot stop these fans being a fan to our fav idols, right? if they’re a fan who sexualizes their favs, then let them be, because it’s just the nature of working in this type of industry, not only kpop, but western too

[@aznjr]

+ as long as they don’t publicly oversexualize or objectify their idols, then i think it’s fine, if u want to sexualize your idols, do it in discreet, no one wanna know

[@dianrongyu1326]

I understand that but people also need to set boundaries. If the industry won't do it, at least do it yourself. I mean some of the things people do is just too much, debasing both the idols and themselves. I mean it doesn't mean just bec a man/woman is dancing sexily in front of you that you have the right to grab him/her. Even if the idol is dressed provocatively or does something saucy it should not be an excuse for the fans to sexually assault them (physically, verbally or psychologically or whatever). That's just sexual predator reasoning. The agencies are partly to blame ofc but this is also an industry and agencies follow what the fans want so if we want anything to change I think it is us fans who should take the lead on it.

[@aznjr]

@@dianrongyu1326 that’s why i said in the reply, that it’s the fans’ responsibility, however do note that the idols should also know that they’re at risk of these things since they’re well aware that the music industry in general is full of sexualization, i’m not defending the fans, they’re crazy for doing those things but there’s partial responsibility towards the idols themselves since they willingly signed the contract to indulge in activities that are closely related to sexualization of themselves, however there are also idols who don’t consider these things and are just desperately wanting this job as they’re passionate in it, so really pity if they’re a victim to these things at the end of the day ☹️

[@dianrongyu1326]

@@aznjr Yea, it’s an endless cycle unfortunately. Agencies market their idols in these hypersexualized concepts bec that’s what sells, and fans use the excuse of the idols being marketed in such a way to sexualize them. But in this dynamic, it’s us fans who hold more power. Agencies will regulate it if fans don’t buy it. Law of economics, supply and demand. If the fans do not demand it, the agencies will not sell it. At the end of the day, the entertainment industry is a business afterall.

[@battarabbit8827]

I wrote a Substack on exactly this as regards Taemin. Go watch Heaven and his delivery of the words “bet you like that” and tell me it’s not disdain. It briefly got a few insults about my prudishness and that was it. Every now and then it gets to me. It’s an insult to years of work on a career as a singer, dancer and performer. I’m thinking it’s very young fans who think that the porn they see is cool and they should pretend to like it and they’ll be popular. I doubt they have ever had a decent relationship with a man. None of these fans would ever be able to meet the eyes of the people they talk about much less have any kind of relationship with them in person. The looks on the faces of Christian Wu, Jackson Wang and others on the thirst tweets videos are obviously an attempt to hide disgust. Honestly, I think the only thing to do is gently call them out on it. Remind them that what they put on the internet is forever. Maybe we need to start calling them Sexstans or Pornstans. Idols are not permitted to defend themselves from anything. Including this. I’m glad to find others have this opinion. But the young, stupid fans who are already screwed up by the online behavior of people during covid are really victims too. I don’t think I can share a link to the article I wrote but I’ll try. battarabbitandthecircusbear.substack.com/p/bet-you-like-that?r=tvlm4

[@Mizushimeee]

No cuz male idols being sexualized is so normal to the point people are so casual saying things to minor male idols bruh. Just take a look at enhypen niki before, the amount of people writing nswf content of him and twting how hot he is, his body and then tweet “smash or pass” just the day he turned 18

[@leyanamze09]

4:41 starting from their it's just s3xual harrassement they need jail Time

[@neobongzzz]

21:50 quote of the year

[@athenaruby6091]

thank you for talking about this.

[@nanafila3280]

SAN STANS IM LOOKING AT YOU

[@juunejun]

thank u for this video by the way!!

[@ShopdaMbr-lo3uu]

Thank you for making such good video, please make more.❤❤❤

[@harekrishna_p108]

THANK YOU FINALLY SOMEONE IS TALKING ABOUT IT. I have been concerned about this for the longest time but nobody seems to give a f. It's like the so called fans also don't care if their idols are ok or not with all the stuffs they are posting abt them. From what I know, absolutely nobody will be comfortable with ppl obsessing and posting abt their body and private parts online. That is traumatizing. Fans need to get out of their fantasies and stop being so pathetically delusion. Don't think that you are a fan so now you've got the liberty to sexualize them. Get over it, the idols don't even know that you exist!! How will they ever be ok with a stranger posting sexual stuffs about them? It's so pathetic and disgusting. This NEEDS to stop.

[@exceptionallydistinctivedi481]

Who else found it difficult to join bg fandoms as gg stans because how weirded out they were by the sexualisation from the fans because I did. I could not join the enhypen, bts, stray kids or nct dream fandoms. One had stalker filled fans, the other was filled with fans obsessed with sexualizing minors and one loved to infantalize grown men. It sucked because I actively liked the music from those groups at one point and I tried to get used to weird behaviours by the fandom but I just couldn't at the end of the day. Being a kpop fan is already strange enough. I don't need no more.

[@worldclasssinner]

thank you for this video!

[@jackierockers3552]

Well said! Thank you!

[@Elsa-ey7cu]

i don't watch the whole vid because i find it little bit disturbing ,i start watching it because i don't really know how they sexualized ,because i thought watching hot edits of them is also that 😅, ofc she is saying truth ,and because of this i litterally hated kpop and fan girls for being obsessed with idol but after being moa i also become little bit obsessed as txt is so funny and i was having a problem in choosing bias so i choose taehyun as he was really talented ,good vocals , smart , and ofc savage and his maknae side is what i love most but now i am scared becuz i cant believe there are people who think about him like that... even if i met txt which is an exception 😶 i will never ask for hug or even hand shake ofc due to my relegion but one of the reason is not to make them uncomfortable i hope moas never cross thier limits and other kpop fans also and about kai getting critisize for having a big build is insane i have seen many so called moas saying that they dont like kai because he is not thin like other members like wtf i always like him for his talent after watching his talent show i am liking him even more and now he is my bias wrecker 😅 i enter this fandom not because of txt but because of moa as they were not toxic and were chill about everything hope this fandom never become , i still dont know about kpop but i only know kpop is wierd, hope it gets better which is an exception like me meeting txt 😅 i dont know why i write that much 😅

[@NicolasPetrosLanning]

That’s why I always preferred men and boys portraying a more innocent and down-to-Earth image…as that’s proof that this is to repel against sexualisation. J-Pop isn’t like this luckily 😊

[@kashmirarehman8117]

Finally someone addressing the issue

[@flowerflowerflowerf-lower9562]

The intro is so good tho-

[@txt.moa_luvs]

Thank you 🥰

[@neobongzzz]

19:24 ew i've always hated that but what the hell

[@sibyllekeller7254]

Ich weiß nicht. Das geht Frauen doch schon von jeher so. Schöne Menschen erregen doch meistens solche Aufmerksamkeit. Nur, dass es jetzt Männer trifft. Die Entertainment-Firmen verkaufen ihre Stars auch zu großen Teilen darüber, so wie junge, hübsche Frauen nicht nur wegen ihrer Schauspielkunst besetzt werden. Neu ist eher, ganze Gruppen von Visuals zu haben. Die Choreografien sind doch mitunter auch darauf zugeschnitten, und warum sollte es ein Unterschied sein, ob jemand hard oder soft sexy empfunden wird? Das ist doch nur Geschmacksache. Die Idols sind wenige Jahre Sexsymbole, aber Erfolg ergibt sich ganz oft auch der Verbindung von Aussehen und Können und auch, bestimmte Träume entfachen zu können. Neu ist für mich lediglich, dass Mädchen und junge Frauen Männer offen so kommentieren. Die Sexualisierung betrifft alle Menschen, im Guten und im Schlechten, ob es uns bewusst ist oder nicht.

[@exceptionallydistinctivedi481]

I don't even think that kpop stans are coming from a heart of gold when they speak up the about sexualization of female idols. To me it's more that it irks them because of their religious and cultural biases. For example I have never thought that the smart choreography was something sexy to look at because in my culture, where that type of choreography is danced to, it was never thought to be a sexual thing. I was disgusted with the kpop fans who thought it was. If you still don't understand me look at korea for example. In Korea short skirts are not nearly as seen as a sexual thing like they are in other countries so imagine people from other countries telling all Koreans to cover up. To me that just comes of foolish and insensitive.

[@iLikeKpop-ue3us]

ok hear me out I say "___ please put me in a headlock" when texting my friends as a joke im not leaving it on posts or anything like that. I once saw someone leave a very explicit post on one of Hyunjin's insta posts and reported them. I have a huge problem with the whole sexualizing idols. They did it to Ni-ki when he was a minor. It just makes me sick and it needs to stop

[@Pixiemaniac]

I never went to the wattpad area of fan fiction coz i knew couldnt handle the smut and i have read some pretty wild books . For me it feel creepy coz its basically like reading p**n about someone you know without their consent so its in a way a form of sexual harrasment. Yes its part of fan culture and inevitable but would you be ok if someone wrote a graphic erotic novel on you ? I know i wouldn't. Some idols are ok to an extent but if their is one think about kpop stans it is that they will constantly push personal boundaries of artist and objectify them . Ateez are pretty chill with fan culture and indulge to an extent for fun , but when the idols are chill , the fans make it wild . I have seen so many edits of moments are completely normal edited to make it look se*ual and even graphic descriptions of what they think it would be like if ytwo of the idols they ship had s**. And boy was i shocked. Stays kept shipping and se*ualizing felix and yyunjin together that now they dont really interac that much on camera . They did say they are still very close behind the scenes but its obvious they are very mindful of how they interact now on camera so that fans dont get the wrong idea. Its fine inevitable that fans wouldn't objectify idols but do remember your boundaries and that idols are humans to.

[@kpopfanCase143]

You didn't mention this so I wanna bring it up. The Felix and Hyunjin ship art on pintrest. I got so traumatized, and also my sister. Some fanfics are just disturbing. Like the Taekook mafia boss things. I have banned like twenty channels from coming on my fyp cause that was what all their content was. Ps: Do you think you can make a part two (if you haven't made one yet)?

[@txt.moa_luvs]

@@kpopfanCase143 what would you like me to do for a part 2?

[@kpopfanCase143]

@@txt.moa_luvsRomantic fanfics. I've never read a fanfic before, and many have s3x in them. Fanfic art, like the hyunlix ones especially. Also companies often put male idols in tight clothing which is uncoftorble, and I don't think its talked about enough. This is what I can think of from the top of my head. I might reply another time with more stuff. If you do make a pt. 2 thank you

[@kpopfanCase143]

@@txt.moa_luvs Also, I'm not sure if this counts but fancalls. I can't really thinkof any female idols who seemed uncoftorble off the top of my head, but male yes: Vernon, Felix, Ricky just to name a few.

[@DerekaWilson-hm8qw]

New sub!! You seem so smart and informative.

[@txt.moa_luvs]

Thank you 🥰 I try my best ❤️

[@DerekaWilson-hm8qw]

@@txt.moa_luvs ❤️