The Nuclear Semiotics Iceberg Explained

[@bigmack1992]

Imagine some guy in 10,000 years finally being initiated into the nuclear priesthood, only to find out their whole purpose is to guard evil garbage.

[@donnguyen3795]

Same with guarding an ancient evil source that can cause death destruction by mere touching everything

[@TheFunniBaconMan]

"It's all spicy Garbage?" "Always has been."

[@Jacob-hr6bq]

Is this a "Foundations" reference? By Asimov

[@Threetails]

Some teenager in 6000 years: Hey, wanna go explore that field of giant spikes where the cats glow? You're not scared are ya?

[@bzipoli]

this is topic is so fascinating to me also it bother me no one right at the start at the project thought "wait a minute, remember the pyramids? that aint gonna work. the more we warn them, the more they gonna look for info and treasure. we're kinda stupid as a species" thanks for making this one fam

[@heathervidsdump]

Isn't an important part of hostile architecture precisely being assimetrical and non functional? I think that wouldn't apply to the pyramids at least for the assimetrical aspect

[@snake_eater1963]

*5000 years from now* Alex Jones Prime: "AND THE NUCLEAR PRIESTHOOD KEEP PUTTING CHEMICALS IN THE WATER MAKING THE FRICKIN CATS GLOW"

[@cmcycles8387]

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT!? Ermf ermf shit CRAP!

[@it_is_i_deo]

My biggest concern is that this doesn't address our constant tendency to disregard the humanity of the past. Sure, the civilisation of the future might very well understand that we wanted them to know a place is dangerous, but would they care? Would they take it seriously? Or would they simply write us off as primitive and superstitious? How many tombs have we plundered because we entirely ignored the warnings?

[@ramoraid]

Why should we even care to that degree? Make sure it's as inaccesible as possible and if they want f around and find out let them. Humanity didn't advance nor did it learn from mistake if those mistakes were made and often times people and societies need to re learn a lesson.

[@Ragahnsiir]

All of these are just gonna make people even more curious about going there lol. Human curiosity will always prevail over sense of danger. It feels like most of these people were trying to make a cool scifi setting than actually taking the topic seriously ngl.

[@christopherleubner6633]

Yup especially after something awful happened to create collective amnesia. 💀💀💀

[@EpicMiniMeatwad]

I think it's an interesting thought experiment, asking how you would communicate to someone with absolutely zero awareness of the present modern world, as though all forms of tangible history ended, the best ways to communicate might just be to use symbols of the natural world, like orbitals of uranium or fissile materials, as in the style of the Voyager disk.

[@TheDecentt]

How dare KZbin hide this from me for a whole 39 seconds

[@Free_Krazy]

Imagine five days....

[@SoapCkat]

"Those who know 💀" ahh thumbnail

[@yell245]

Those who nose 💀 mango mango mango

[@MishKoz]

Hawk tuah respect button -------->

[@BrodyLuv2]

Fukushima Daiichi ahh Fuktonium

[@theman13532]

those who grow: 🌱

[@crsmith6226]

My favorite, as in most effective, I believe would be to just bury it and don’t put anything around it. Cover in concrete, bury it deep, then forget about it. Theres so many things just laying in the ground that we haven’t found, the earth is huge compared to people. Put a message on the concrete sarcophagus itself so in the eventuality people find it they can know what it is.

[@wattthefaqameye1146]

The risk of that, though, is the possibility for a later society beginning to drill or something and stumbling upon the waste without forewarning. Even if you want to argue that they would have no reason to drill in an area without resources, plenty of oil fields were once barren lands with seemingly little to offer, we can't assume the ecology of an area will be perfectly the same 10 000 years from now, especially considering climate change. Anyways I think a lot of the concern over how these structures trigger curiosity is a bit over blown given that the risk is digging or drilling, not mere presence in the structure, so the point is that exploration of the above ground area is safe but it deters any additional significant investment into actually disturbing or uncovering the waste. So even the examples of kids daring themsleves to go through the field of spikes wouldn't actually make them more likely to just you know, acquire the machinery to excavate however many kilometers of rock lol

[@theSeekerofStories]

@@wattthefaqameye1146 They rediscover nuclear physics and are digging a repository. They plan out the best location and dig. Oops, someone else has already dug there.

[@backwardsbandit8094]

Yup. Bury it thousands of metres below the ocean floor in a secure capsule, in the middle of the Pacific ocean. Nothing on the surface needed. Leave various messages and pictograms within the capsule in case highly advanced humans find it, in which case they would be more likely to be aware of radiation. Not sure the language barrier would get through to them? Humans know the human body. Show a human body covered in sores and bleeding and it'll certainly communicate something in the right direction

[@backwardsbandit8094]

​@@wattthefaqameye1146 it's not overblown at all. We literally have entire academic disciplines today that would go absolutely nuts over an ancient field of manmade spikes, such as archeology and anthropology. There are most likely things buried in this earth made by man from several millennia ago, but we will never find them because they are too deep in the ground and too inconspicuous. Once we acknowledge this possibility, we can make sure that this nuclear waste becomes part of that lost ancient history for future humans.

[@marycanary6989]

@@wattthefaqameye1146 Why not mention that the waste causes disease?

[@Cronama]

Desolate, oppressive tomb of concrete and ancient steel covered in hieroglyphics of corpses surrounded by spike fields and glowing cats "Oh yeah. They got that good loot."

[@ComradeOgilvy369]

And now, almost 20 years later, I realize Confessor Cromwell from Megaton is a joke about nuclear priesthood. Youre doing the Lord's work

[@greghmn]

Yeah, the nuclear priesthood thing will backfire catastrophically. Seriously, the entire plot of Gurren Lagann is about how this exact idea wouldn't work.

[@Founder2721]

genre defining gem this guy just uploaded. cobson would be proud

[@jbark678]

Egyptian tombs are a fitting example, considering they contained deadly bacteria and some of the first people who opened them got sick and died.

[@ylvali]

Signaling danger without any shared concept or language. So interesting!! Thanks for this.

[@I_am_a_human_not_a_commodity]

This was fun to watch! Thanks for the video :D

[@gh0stcr33p]

thank you for making this I'm really obsessed with the idea of nuclear semiotics

[@borealsquidd6901]

35:53 This gave me a fucking shiver done my spine. Please make that iceberg I’ve been sleeping too well lately.

[@LukeCaulfield-z8m]

I didn't even know this was a thing, let alone enough talk about it that it warranted an iceberg. Thanks for the knowledge!

[@yyhhttcccyyhhttccc6694]

under 1 millenia gang

[@eightfold3195]

We making it out of the rad zone with this one

[@hugoguzman4985]

As much as I love the raycats, my biggest issue with them is that there's no guarantee future people won't fear the cat itself, and hunt them down to extinction under the belief they're somehow haunted or supernatural.

[@backwardsbandit8094]

No matter what time in human history we're in, if raycats were an existing "fearsome" mythological beast, there will ALWAYS be a subsect of humanity that absolutely adores them. Satan himself was quite literally designed to be anti-human, in order to scare any and all human beings away from the mere concept of this horrific figure, yet we still have unironic satanists, satanic cults and people who just think Satan is really cool. We can't herd humans all into a singular perspective on something, it's never worked before and it won't in the future

[@kraKowD]

Unironically Papa Doc moment

[@kaitlynboss3497]

The problem with just burying it in the desert and ignoring it is that it won’t stay a desert forever. It will one day become habitable and it’s hard to tell if the radiation would be safe by then.

[@Molly-uy1iw]

I walk around with a geiger counter after living next to a nuclear fuel plant my whole life.There was a tiny sign on the creepy barn/fallout shelter in the front that obviously did not go there.

[@Vibycko]

It's all fun and games until your shelter cat starts glowing green

[@Joseph-i9d9f]

Maybe make a door with complicated instructions written on the door. If you can translate the dead language enough to open the door you can read the reasons why it's closed

[@steviebea]

oooo this is a really interesting idea

[@yell245]

The walls collapse

[@kraKowD]

Imagine the amount of people who would just bash it in.

[@RSK412]

"Oh, _you hidin treasure."_

[@ElTovarish]

To the algorithm: Yes, i still love nuclear semiotics.

[@arthurcady6302]

For the priesthood thing I would recommend you look into the Ark of the Covenant. There is a church in Ethiopia that claims to possess the original. When the ark was stolen the bible talks of those viewing it getting tumors. The Ethiopian Ark is guarded by priests who sit in the room with the Ark and serve until they go completely blind. Every single priest that sits in the room with the Ark eventually goes completely blind. This could work. The myth of the ark is that god lives inside but seeing him will kill you.

[@GoldenGoomba900]

My proposition to the problem would be a basic labyrinth where we would coerce animal species, particularly dangerous predators, to stay in for long periods of time. With the effects of radiation as we know it from the Chernobyl exclusion zone we learn that dogs in particular can evolve quickly to resist and even coat themselves in radiation to no ill effects. With some luck these species of dogs would use these locations as dens for however many years in order to keep out people who are insufficiently armed and prepared.

[@glitchyfruit2503]

29:46 when farming next to the ominous megalith kills you, you will notice People would not know otherwise and assume it to be something different

[@KlaxontheImpailr]

19:23 the idea of people going all the way into the desert to fry eggs on the mysterious square thing is legit hilarious.

[@Astro_TF2]

Good video, got a sub from me. I've always found fields where "hard and social sciences" overlap. Where there is a logical problem of don't go here, but because we're humans, we have to prepare for curiosity.

[@blue.robotix]

This seems cool.

[@4uhDamagecase]

14:45 the guy from "the scream" would adequately convey terror to a caveman

[@blue.robotix]

Time to code and watch an iceberg by a good creator, lol.

[@totallynoteverything1.]

maybe they should just show humans suffering and being mangled in the most horrific ways possible through statues?

[@miamiwendigo]

those who know 💀 (but fr the thumbnail aint it imo)

[@KlaxontheImpailr]

27:03 better idea: engineer the flowers to resemble screaming human faces and only bloom when they detect a radiation leak.

[@noobster5511]

New Seedbutter vid les goooooooo ❤

[@kingofflames738]

I can't believe it took me 8 minutes to find this video

[@real_Clone_Gordon_Freeman]

Consider this: having all of these at all means at least one of these ideas may actually stick, so even if some are ridiculous or some feel like they'll die over time it only matters if one survives, likely being the concrete spike fields but I digress

[@mr.hangliderman9454]

Absolute cinema. Great work

[@carsland123]

I really enjoyed this watch, some super fascinating stuff. Would definitely be interested in seeing the warning sign iceberg if you do make it!

[@badnrad]

i think its easy to forget that one of the main functions of scary structures that are obviously manmade is to discourage people from attempting to start settlements or grow crops on or around that land. That gives them time to survive and eventually thrive without being wiped out completely by an invisible poison. Yes there would eventually be people who want to understand and explore the structure, but any small population of people as a whole will still survive as long as they dont mistakenly go digging and drilling or plantng crops on or around it. Its not about warning one or two people, moreso avoiding mass casualties that could occur and perhaps even kill off the last humans. Unlikely but that’s the scenario of concern rather than a couple ternagers or Archaeologists getting sick.

[@swan-cloud]

i think the skull and bones might be the closest thing we can get to an universal warning sign, sure, certain cultures feel more positive about the image of a skeleton like mexico, but it still represents death, even there.

[@the-leso-jd172]

Unfortunetly I don't think glurons will be scared of those spikes, but. If we were to make a field of gigant stone, frontfacing sofas

[@Johnny-tzer]

The TV show "American Horror Story: Apocalypse" has a Message Kiosk! It is the entrance of the school for boys (underground) where the causer of the Nuclear War lived. I love that show and I just learned that from this video, thanks.

[@UNYEILDING]

Safety rules are written in blood, the site should cause degrees of harm up to lethal which would make any culture coming across it to actively guard people from entering it and keep warnings updated

[@sirlorax9744]

it seems like an impossible problem. 10,000 years is a timespan we simply cannot comprehend. all proposals would inevitably succumb to curiosity, vandalism, or simply erosion. especially telling people that further information will be found further towards the actual danger seems counter productive

[@RisingRevengeance]

The issue with most of these is that they would never work if whatever future creatures are anything like us. We have an inherit drive to explore and understand things even if it's at the risk of our lives. The best deterrent might actually be to just not hide it and let a few die every now and then to scare away the rest.

[@barbdwyer45]

Awesome upload bro.

[@shubniggurath3255]

35:54 YES Please DO! 🤩

[@christopherleubner6633]

A good start would be recycling the nuclear waste to extract the useful stuff out. Then you would only need to store the actual waste materials for a few hundred to a few thousand years. Also constantly update the warnings.❤

[@EmissaryofWind]

The field of thorns is my favorite design, but the thinner structures probably makes them less durable and therefore less appropriate for this usage

[@hylacinerea970]

Ive been working on a post-nuclear story since 2018ish, at the very heart of it is nuclear semiotics and a "nuclear church"- strange, foreboding monuments in shunned places and masked monks.

[@RaspberryPastry]

This video was an amazing watch and I'm glad I saw it but Imma be so serious when I tell you I almost didn't click on it because of the troll face thumbnail

[@RufusMufus159]

Great video, I was wondering what the music was playing around 3:40?

[@J_Curls]

I believe it's called "Space Walk" - it's usually played in the countdowns before a video premiere starts

[@KlaxontheImpailr]

29:27 the only issue I can think of is, what if the area doesn't remain uninhabitable? Maybe there's a climate shift that gradually brings in more rain. Or an earthquake causes an underground leak with no hint on the surface of anything artificial?

[@placeholder-t7j]

the titanic iceberg top water middle water bottom water abyss big old boat thank you for coming to the titanic iceberg comment

[@Visiblecarrot]

Thanks for the info I would've never been able to figure out what a titanic iceberg is without you

[@EvdogMusic]

Where do the Olympic and Brittani go?

[@placeholder-t7j]

@@EvdogMusic the rms olympic was scrapped and sold and did not sink so at the top i guess hmhs brittanic is at the top of the abyss as it only suck a couple 100 meters compared to the titanics several thousand meters

[@chestnut4860]

We watched something about the Finish storage facility in school way back when I was a little kid and to this day I don't understand why they didn't write something along the lines of "this is poisonous" as the vauge fearmongering would only make people curious and/or see it as some status symbol to be the one conguring it.

[@EmissaryofWind]

To your point about modern humans not carrying equipment to detect radiation everywhere we go: we kind of do. Digital cameras like the ones in our phones use CMOS (Complementary Metal Oxide Semiconductor) image sensors, which are sensitive to ionizing radiation such as gamma rays. These show up in photos or video as a flurry of small white dots resembling static, and the more radiation there is, the more they are visible.

[@angelcm156]

Iceberg of Manmade horrors was my 1st

[@BWP-u3y]

"... add this to my ww3 playlist..." Right after 'Easy Street'? 😳

[@TheOvadex]

The bg music made me think I was waiting for a premier.. lol

[@MorganEdgy]

Nevertheless, a warning sign that a material with a potential to completely annihilate people will always be not only ignored but actually pursued by perverse individuals.

[@MyopicMickey]

And like... all of these are rendered to nothing more than interesting thought exercises in existentialism when you do any amount of research into current day nuclear technology. What was considered waste back in the day can be reused over again. So, a lot of ink spilled over an issue that engineers were developing past anyways. And there's the inherent boogeyman-ification of nuclear energy, which is the most primitive thing we could display to our future descendants.

[@dfinlen]

The cult of Hollywood, started with China syndrome and 3 mile. Now the cult has the followers following the Kardashians and having sex changes. Can't fix dumb.

[@baa9865]

it's a good thing that there is so much fear created around it, the current progress in anything doesn't mean a thing when it's still one of the most potentially deadly things we deal with

[@waliedsalam2487]

10:35 "Memes. The DNA of the Soul."

[@VAL-TotallyNotHAL]

Convenient distraction from the removed video I wish I had immediately watched & downloaded? Coolcoolcool.

[@SeedButter]

reuploaded properly as a short 👍

[@totallynoteverything1.]

those who know:

[@Beowulf0510]

The worst part is that a pre nuclear but sufficiently advanced society very well may treat the warning as a "curse of the mummy" type of warning. Ignoring it as myth

[@Sandstimes]

Nuclear semiotics being memes doesnt sound weird at all, since memes came from memetics to begin with

[@scrawnydaghost]

brb starting the atomic priesthood ΡΜΔʹ

[@Tamper290101]

SIGNALIS not being mentioned on this iceberg is quite unfortuate, the location "nowhere" has loads of signs and references to nuclear semiotics

[@thestoriesminister]

Cheers man

[@Robert_McGarry_Poems]

The one time I can confidently say that the cameraman did not survive is in that first elephant's foot footage. Bare skin!!! Yikes, they didn't make it long I bet...😢

[@Zxr-r6q]

I don't think any of the warnings should be in languages, rather they should be in universal symbols, like hieroglyphs essentially. Like imagine this: "Dozens of people running away in agony whilst their flesh melts off from a glowing green orb." > "The glowing green orb is shown under the structure." In this way, language isn't even needed at all to emphasize that it is a threat, it literally shows it. Languages are temporary, crude realistic symbology is eternal.

[@raxusveritas]

But then, how would someone know to interpret the figures as running away from the orb? How would we ensure someone knows to interpret the figures as dying because of the orb? The depiction might be viewed as a relief of an ancient myth, and they might not read the depiction as a warning, but as a treasure map.

[@user-ck7tg1dq9y]

I disagree. Even with just pictograms, what's stopping "people running from a green orb with their skin coming off" from being interpreted as "green orb of life creating humanity, which dies when far from its awesomeness". And thus encouraging looters looking for ancient religious artifacts. A fun aside for hieroglyphs, they have been historically notorious for being misinterpreted. Only ~200 years after the last inscription, you have the writings of people like Horapollo totally butchering not only the meaning but also the writing system itself. Part of the reason hieroglyphs were associated with "mystical writing" was precisely because they show images of real things, which humans instinctively want to give meaning to. Instead of, you know, treating it like a writing system.

[@Thegmodjournalist]

Really cool topic

[@billyjuno]

Please make a vid on conventional signs❤

[@adolfocoy7516]

Another banger

[@matiasbadino2925]

There aren't enough videos about nuclear semiotics

[@leeboss1004]

"Those who know" ah thumbnail

[@ramoraid]

This is an interesting topic but honestly the easiest solutions to nuclear waste is to not tell anyone where it is buried and making sure it's so far down humans will need a level of collective intelligence to know what radiation is. The whole premise is flawed and this is a clear topic of research meant to poison the publics perception of nuclear waste.

[@infinite3365]

After 10000 years, wouldn't the nuclear waste be harmless by then? Also if it was that radioactive to begin with, why not put in back into the reactor?

[@philipharwood5201]

Honestly its probably best to make it hidden and make the site as mundane and uninteresting as possible. Such that no future civilization has the urge to excavate the site

[@chestnut4860]

About the nonhuman visitors. Instead of aliens it could merely be another species evolving to become sapient long after we died out. No need for understanding space travel but not radiation then.

[@victorcast2467]

An ancient monolith left by an extinct civilization, in a language people don't understand, talking about harm and death for those who desecrate such site... Where have I seen this before?

[@wattthefaqameye1146]

I don't understand why a nuclear priesthood would *hide* the truth about nuclear waste, wouldn't it make more sense for them to have the responsibility to preserve and propagate awareness of these sites and their dangers as civilizations rise and fall?

[@charlesdavis8984]

Goodnight everybody, I love you all!

[@BooLightning]

what if they want to dig up the dangerous rocks to use as weapons?

[@megablue6290]

Solution: combine all of these into one

[@NoobNoobNews]

I have a solution. Moon it. Moon the nuclear waste. The cost is not that high. Anyone who makes it to the Moon will know it is nuclear .

[@21richardmcd]

So why can't we just load all of our nuclear waste onto a spaceship and launch it into the sun?

[@saltytriscuit896]

It’s all fun and games until the rocket crashes and we get Chernobyl 2: The Search for More Cancer

[@21richardmcd]

@saltytriscuit896 that only sounds slightly worse than what we're dealing with already.

[@prttylttlebnny]

everyone NEEEEEEEEDS to watch 'twisting the dragon's tail'... and if anyone does- please please tell me, and let me know what you think!

[@thatsunfortunate2205]

I love by youtube algorithm

[@PLATINUM12x5]

Why not just hide the radiation? Put it where people wont find it. Also have we considered a plan similar to tsunami stones.

[@sleeperagentyami]

Where tho? My idea would be to go deep underground but there is no way to know if our or another society will go subterranean and dig into it.

[@joshstephens3224]

What if the radiation is the warning for something worse?

[@ahbh4348]

coool video

[@Locreai]

Only the intellectuals would say spike field. Basically every other group would think its cool as fuck.

[@blueeyedfox_]

Nuclear Semiotics sounds kinda sus but honestly its a seedbutter video so it must be good

[@Hey_Jony01]

Make a part two of man made horrors iceberg, the shit have gotten much worse in the last few months