The number e explained in depth for (smart) dummies

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Mathologer

Mathologer

7 жыл бұрын

In this follow-up video to his "e to the i pi for dummies" video the Mathologer sets out to properly explain the coolest features of the famous number e and the exponential function e^x. Find out WHY e is irrational, how you go about calculating the first 1,000,000 digits of e, WHY the exponential function e^x is its own derivative, etc.
Here are links to the videos that I refer to in this video:
e to the pi i for dummies: • e to the pi i for dummies (this is the video I summarise at the beginning)
Indeterminate: the hidden power of 0 divided by 0: • Indeterminate: the hid... (about derivatives, among other things)
Math in the Simpsons: e to the i pi: • Math in the Simpsons: ... (this is the video that I refer to at the very end)
This week's t-shirt I made myself. Check out this wiki page about this pretty identity en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_t...
Thank you very much to my friend Marty Ross for proofwatching drafts of this video and helping me to get the words "just right" and to Danil Dmitriev the official Mathologer translator for Russian for his subtitles.
Enjoy!

Пікірлер: 964
@franzluggin398
@franzluggin398 7 жыл бұрын
Your level of confidence in Homer's capacity to even pay attention for that much time, let alone understand you, is just amazing.
@SquirrelASMR
@SquirrelASMR 2 жыл бұрын
Mmmm dooooooonnuuuut *gargle noises*
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 7 жыл бұрын
This is a video I've been meaning to do for a long time. It's my best shot at really explaining/proving all the most important/famous facts about e in the simplest way possible. It ties together and complements quite a few of my other videos. A lot of people have asked me how they can support Mathologer. If you'd like to help consider contributing subtitles in your native language to these videos. Having said that Danil Dmitriev has contributed a whole stack of subtitles in Russian and is now the official Mathologer translator for that language and so please don't worry about preparing any subtitles for Russian.
@Tornnaz
@Tornnaz 7 жыл бұрын
Mathologer great video!
@morelelfrancel6603
@morelelfrancel6603 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks, you're of a very great help to both skilled and unskilled mathematicians.
@mustafakeblawi6450
@mustafakeblawi6450 7 жыл бұрын
Mathologer Explaination was awsome. Really did enjoy the video!
@gorilaazul2434
@gorilaazul2434 7 жыл бұрын
I'd love trying to translate your videos to Brazilian Portuguese! I'm just not sure how to add subtitles to a video.
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 7 жыл бұрын
+Pedro Arthur That would be great. Have a look at this page for the "How to" support.google.com/youtube/answer/6054623?hl=en
@BillySugger1965
@BillySugger1965 7 жыл бұрын
Burkard, you asked specifically for feedback on how successfully you made these explanations accessible. I am an electronics engineer who has always been fascinated by mathematics, but struggled with the higher, more abstract elements of the subject. My way of learning is like constructing a building: laying foundations and fully understanding foundational material before laying the next layer of bricks. And I always felt uncomfortable just learning calculus identities without understanding their derivation. I think that's one of the big things that held me back. Your videos follow a logical progression, building layers of bricks on top of understanding I already have, and at last I can trust in my gut that these identities are correct because you have shown me, even if I cannot repeat the derivation myself. A few times in this video I had to stop, rewind and check some simplification or rearrangement you did, because it wasn't immediately clear to me, but I got there. Thank you for making this fascinating subject accessible in a way I have never seen before. You have rekindled my love of higher math. By the way, I much prefer the taurean version of Euler's identity: e to the i tau equals one, and I think your beautiful graphical demonstration could easily be adapted to demonstrate this form. I'd love to see your taurean conversion of other identities, which will be similar but I think lead to a far greater intuitive resonance than using pi.
@alextotheroh8071
@alextotheroh8071 7 жыл бұрын
Your presentation style is exactly what I want from math videos. Rather than just spew high level information, you take the time to show why AND how, which really helps me get a deeper understanding than I was able to in school. Thanks for making videos and sharing this knowledge for free.
@MrSigmaSharp
@MrSigmaSharp 7 жыл бұрын
It's more of a disciplined classroom material in contrast with more fun material on other math channels. I really loved it and I'm sure people learn more stuff from such approach. Thanks man. I'll watch whatever you post.
@inflames66676
@inflames66676 7 жыл бұрын
This is a profoundly important channel.
@nUrnxvmhTEuU
@nUrnxvmhTEuU 7 жыл бұрын
Definitely the best Mathologer video yet :) At school they explained limits and binomials to us but never bothered with e. It was really awesome to see all this knowledge piece together into some cool math. Thanks!
@manningermani
@manningermani 7 жыл бұрын
I honestly think this is one of the clearest videos of yours! Super clear, understandable and informative.
@AaronHollander314
@AaronHollander314 7 жыл бұрын
This is as beautiful as a symphony and as brilliant as a Shakespeare play.
@frederickm9823
@frederickm9823 7 жыл бұрын
Never knew it would be this easy to prove that (log(x))' = 1/x. I'm definitly gonna use it, when teaching it :)
@maheshpatel7691
@maheshpatel7691 4 жыл бұрын
You are a teacher?!
@jimjim3979
@jimjim3979 4 жыл бұрын
@@maheshpatel7691 what's the point of asking it's conspicuous
@egeyaman4074
@egeyaman4074 4 жыл бұрын
It doesn't make sense that way, they may ask d(eⁿ)/dn=?eⁿ and you can't use series expansion, it's defined bu using derivative
@Jop_pop
@Jop_pop 7 жыл бұрын
This explanation was extremely cool! I knew nearly all of the facts presented, but the way they were put forward in a straightforward way from the start of the video (defining e) to the end (progressing from infinite sums to derivatives and integrals to get back to where you started) put all my knowledge of the concept of into one succinct packet! Great video!
@petermarsico7344
@petermarsico7344 4 жыл бұрын
I've watched quite a few of the Mathologer series and they are consistently well done, ... and without a doubt one of the best at explaining complex mathematical concepts. Wish that these had been around when I was in school.
@tonyreyes8190
@tonyreyes8190 7 жыл бұрын
Love how you explained the error of the series. You rock
@merren2306
@merren2306 4 жыл бұрын
9:30 you want a million and one zeroes since the digit after the last zero can still affect the digit before: if for example take the number 5230. Lets say this is a measurement with an error margin of +-1. We can with confidence say what the first 2 digits are, but not the third, since that +-1 also affects the 3.
@looc546
@looc546 7 жыл бұрын
Currently studying for an AP calculus exam and seeing an algebraic proof of the Maclaurin series for e^x is very, very helpful. Great video as always. Thanks!
@tejasradhakrishnan1164
@tejasradhakrishnan1164 7 жыл бұрын
These explanations are the best I've ever seen, I think the visual aspect helps a lot in learning the concepts in your videos
@kenhaley4
@kenhaley4 7 жыл бұрын
That was wonderful! I actually followed all of it (although I'm not sure I could repeat it). I majored in Math, but I've forgotten so much in the 50 years since graduating (I'm 70). But I know this explanation was far easier to understand than any of the ways I learned it back then.
@probropalzlive6961
@probropalzlive6961 Жыл бұрын
What did you end up doibg after graduation?
@ujueije5762
@ujueije5762 6 жыл бұрын
Best video I've ever watched. As long as I watched, as long as I want to watch it more.
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 6 жыл бұрын
That's great, mission accomplished then :)
@Treegrower
@Treegrower 7 жыл бұрын
Your channel is one of my favorite on all of KZbin, keep doing what you're doing Mathologer!
@enzogiannotta
@enzogiannotta 7 жыл бұрын
I have been a subscriber of your channer for 2 years and i can really confirm, this last 3 videos were best and each better than the last one. i really enjoy watching your videos i totally understood everything ! i have great fun doing what i love, math
@Sakanakao
@Sakanakao 7 жыл бұрын
The 19/7 thing took me a few minutes to understand. I had to realize: 1. The result has to be an integer over 7! 2. The result can't be 0, because we know the subtracted term is not equal to e.
@MegaMoh
@MegaMoh 4 жыл бұрын
also he didn't choose the denominator to be 7 because the approximation ended in a 7!. He chose the approximation to end in 7! because he chose the fraction to end in 7. It's was a little confusing because he started with 7! and then chose 19/7 but it's supposed to be the opposite
@madison449
@madison449 2 жыл бұрын
Жаль, что я не нашёл этот канал раньше. Это просто потрясающе! Жаль, что у нас в универе нет таких классных учителей по матеше))
@POTUS_FGC
@POTUS_FGC 7 жыл бұрын
amazingly well explained. never too slow to feel dumbed down, not too fast to feel like we're not getting the whole explaination. great job😊😊
@ny6u
@ny6u 5 жыл бұрын
After 30 years since I studied calculus this has been the most BRILLIANT explanation of natural logarithms EVER ! FANTASTIC I WILL NEVER FORGET THIS 👍🏻GORGEOUS VIDEO
@Goryllo
@Goryllo 4 жыл бұрын
At 12:01 I laughed so hard... Never in my life had I heard a less excited "tadah!"
@mhosseinian86
@mhosseinian86 3 жыл бұрын
You should familiarize yourself with German sense of humor! ;)
@ganaraminukshuk0
@ganaraminukshuk0 7 жыл бұрын
Was curious about 19/7 and was surprised to find that it was a rational approximation of e that's accurate to 2 decimal places (like 22/7 for pi).
@nicolaspellerin2207
@nicolaspellerin2207 7 жыл бұрын
Your explanations are super clear, and combined with the animations and colors it's just great , thank you !
@mohan153doshi
@mohan153doshi 6 жыл бұрын
Absolutely awesome explanation. Everything that we just took for granted regarding e has been explained so very well here. Thanks for this lovely video.
@Wuppisnn
@Wuppisnn 7 жыл бұрын
last sentence was wrong you don't go full circle with pi you go full circle with tau! ;)
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 7 жыл бұрын
:)
@christianbarnay2499
@christianbarnay2499 7 жыл бұрын
I prefer going full circle with pi because 2 pies are tastier than 1 tau.
@muazkashif8554
@muazkashif8554 7 жыл бұрын
der Heider Where my tau army at? 😂
@ThePianofreaky
@ThePianofreaky 7 жыл бұрын
tau > pi It's a fact.
@TheTrueXeroXIII
@TheTrueXeroXIII 7 жыл бұрын
why is it mathematicians are obsessed with half circles?
@TonyCallagy
@TonyCallagy 2 жыл бұрын
Burkard, many thanks for your very informative videos on mathematics. I am a retired professional engineer and it is a pleasure to look back on the areas of mathematics I had to learn for my engineering degree, and you make it so much more interesting and enjoyable as a subject. Kind Regards Tony
@musicmaniac414
@musicmaniac414 7 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed these explanations. I took calculus in college but this video really made it come alive for me. Thanks for making these clips!
@renatofernandes1086
@renatofernandes1086 7 жыл бұрын
thanks for this great video, studying higher mathematics can be very abstract and complicated, watching videos like these renew my love for the subject.
@stevethecatcouch6532
@stevethecatcouch6532 7 жыл бұрын
9:20 I'm not sure you need to aim for 1,000,001 zeroes in 1/N! 1/N! is so much larger than the actual error that it underestimates the number of zeroes in the actual error. Error < 1/N! * (2/N+1) < 1/N! (Let me know if staring at the screen at 8:24 for several seconds doesn't make that inequality obvious.) Let's look at a more a more manageable degree of precision, 5 decimal places. e, to 8 decimal places, is 2.71828182. 1 + 1/1! + ... + 1/9! = 2.71828152 to 8 decimal places. The actual error, to 8 decimal places is .00000030. 1/9! is .00000276 to 8 places. It has only 5 leading zeroes. But 1/9! * 2/10 = 0.00000055, rounded to 8 places. The wiggle room allowed by 2/N+1 gets bigger as N increases. I suspect the actual error associated with N for which 1/N! has 1,000,000 zeroes has 6 superfluous zeroes.
@simonthemark
@simonthemark 7 жыл бұрын
I would consider this an e-ncredible number
@harikrishnanmenonkaka
@harikrishnanmenonkaka 7 жыл бұрын
Simon Marklund hope that Sanchez stays..
@simonthemark
@simonthemark 7 жыл бұрын
harikrishnan menon Me too, otherwise I'd have to change my profile picture... :(
@harikrishnanmenonkaka
@harikrishnanmenonkaka 7 жыл бұрын
Simon Marklund sad...haha...
@mmeister8582
@mmeister8582 7 жыл бұрын
Alexis Sanchez
@flyingpenandpaper6119
@flyingpenandpaper6119 7 жыл бұрын
But I would say that √-1 is more i-ncredible
@EeroSoralahti
@EeroSoralahti 7 жыл бұрын
When my kids ge to this stage in school math, I'll make sure they watch these videos; so much better and clearer explanations than anything I've found in the text books... BIG THANKS. again.
@alkankondo89
@alkankondo89 7 жыл бұрын
This was a VERY engaging video, rich with interesting facts about e. The explanation of the e-irrational proof was quite easy to follow, and I never knew that estimating the error of approximations of e could be so simple! Also, I have never seen that particular proof that e^x is its own derivative. This video solidifies my choice of e as my favorite number!
@nikosgeorgakas184
@nikosgeorgakas184 7 жыл бұрын
Mr BURKARD , IM 47 NOW AND I THINK THIS EXPANATION OF YOURS FOR e AND ALL ITS FORMULAS IS THE SIMPLEST AND MOST UNDERSTANDABLE OF ALL IVE SEEN SO FAR (1BROWN3BLUE INCLUDED). THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PLEASE KEEPON DOING WHAT YOU DO. BRENIKOU , GREECE.
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 7 жыл бұрын
Glad you like these explanations and thank you very much for saying so:)
@tannerboos2268
@tannerboos2268 7 жыл бұрын
Now I just want to know how to solve the integral that was on his shirt :S
@shamrockfrost1856
@shamrockfrost1856 7 жыл бұрын
Tanner Boos maybe try long division?
@vantu3278
@vantu3278 7 жыл бұрын
lol
@DeadPyro96
@DeadPyro96 7 жыл бұрын
Looks nasty. Long division seems to be the way to go. Can't imagine how much time it would take to do it though.
@DeadPyro96
@DeadPyro96 7 жыл бұрын
Actually it's not that bad. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_that_22/7_exceeds_π
@lorostotos5647
@lorostotos5647 5 жыл бұрын
try geometrically,because the value is the error between the ancient approximation found by a polygon and the real surface of circle,
@icanfast
@icanfast 7 жыл бұрын
Amazing as always! Looking forward to hear on transcendental numbers. Also would like to hear more on set theory and more advanced calculus :)
@NickMachiels
@NickMachiels 7 жыл бұрын
IMO you were very successful in your objective. I found it one of your clearest and most accessible videos so far. It's very interesting to discover how basic operations can result in impressive conclusions.
@otivamzahlqb
@otivamzahlqb 7 жыл бұрын
Hi. Once again a great video, but i have a question that really bothers me and i would be very, very happy if somebody answers. At 11:27 , how can we know that the question mark stands for a positive number? It doesn't seem very obvious to me. Can anybody help, please?
@apiel06
@apiel06 7 жыл бұрын
Yea, this bothered me too. In this case the question mark is actually -20, obviously |-20/7!| is still outside the error range of |1/7!| but this part could definitely use some retuning and more explanations. ( www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=19%2F7-(1%2B1%2F1!%2B1%2F2!%2B1%2F3!%2B1%2F4!%2B1%2F5!%2B1%2F6!%2B1%2F7!) )
@enricrodriguez3747
@enricrodriguez3747 7 жыл бұрын
I think the proof should have absolute value brackets like |19/7 - (1+1/1!+1/2!+...+1/7!)|
@chaosredefined3834
@chaosredefined3834 7 жыл бұрын
The difference is going to be equal to 1/8! + 1/9! + 1/10! + ... This is a positive number. Therefore, if it is equal to ?/7!, ? has to also be positive.
@apiel06
@apiel06 7 жыл бұрын
Yea absolute value brackets would fix the equation, but I still feel the explanation as to why the absolute value of the question mark can't be 0 is missing.
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 7 жыл бұрын
It is obvious that the error must always be positive no matter where you truncate the infinite sum (since there are always more positive terms left out). The main point here is that we are ASSUMING that a certain fraction is equal to e. There are a couple of different ways to see that this assumption leads to a statement that is false. For example, observing the difference to be negative is such a false statement. Any of those false statements implies that our assumption is false to start with. However, only some of these false statements generalise and then allow us to exclude all fractions :)
@RandyLunn
@RandyLunn 6 жыл бұрын
The area under a hyperbola between 1 and e is 1. Cool!
@AlexeyCherkaev
@AlexeyCherkaev 7 жыл бұрын
Great explanation of irrationality of e. Remembering it being super tedious in calculus course. Can't wait the video on transcendental numbers!
@johncowart9536
@johncowart9536 7 жыл бұрын
Loved the proof of e being irrational. That in itself (followed by some simple steps and of course some assumptions) is proof enough for me of "why" Pi is transcendental. Love your videos, thank you so much for making these. Binge watching these :)
@jmiquelmb
@jmiquelmb 7 жыл бұрын
I have a question. If you choose 1/7 rather than 19/7 (even when you can clearly see 1/7 is nowhere near e), you can observe how the error gives a negative number, which is clearly smaller than 1/7!. Thus, you can find plenty of a/b solutions that are smaller than 1/b! I assume that the trick is that you have to take its absolute value given that it is an error estimation?
@osemudiame123
@osemudiame123 7 жыл бұрын
jmiquelmb yeah
@jmiquelmb
@jmiquelmb 7 жыл бұрын
Then, the numerator must have an integer value, since every number adding or substracting is an integer. And the only integer which has an absolute value smaller than 1 is 0. But it can't be zero because there would be no error, which is impossible. Is that right?
@mustgetalife
@mustgetalife 7 жыл бұрын
thanks, this is the simplest answer yet :)
@Reddles37
@Reddles37 7 жыл бұрын
The part he skipped over is that the series has only positive terms, so the error is always positive. So the numerator has to be greater than 0, but he proved it is also less than 1 and an integer, so its impossible.
@patrickwienhoft7987
@patrickwienhoft7987 7 жыл бұрын
The left side, the error, is equal to 1/8! + 1/9! + ... so it's obviously positive. therefore when it's equal to ?/7!, ? has to be positive.
@TheguynamedT
@TheguynamedT 7 жыл бұрын
Can anyone give me the derivations of those trigonometric functions infinite series? Great video btw.
@David__U
@David__U 7 жыл бұрын
Those trig functions as infinite series come from the Taylor Series Expansion. You can learn about it on Wikipedia, and it even shows Sin x as an example. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_series
@patrickwienhoft7987
@patrickwienhoft7987 7 жыл бұрын
It's actually really similar to the derivative of e. As sin takes all the odd powers/factorials and cos all the evens and the derivative of a summand is the summand left to it, it's quite obvious than sin turns into cos and cos into sin. Also as the signs are alternating, sin turns into cos, cos into -sin, -sin into -cos and -cos into sin. Hard to put into words why that way around and not sin turning into -cose, but if you look at it, you should be able to figure it out :)
@TheguynamedT
@TheguynamedT 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@duckymomo7935
@duckymomo7935 7 жыл бұрын
anything besides sine and cosine are useless palmer.wellesley.edu/~ivolic/pdf/Classes/Handouts/CalcHandoutsDrills/TaylorSeries.pdf
@joemcdong9182
@joemcdong9182 3 жыл бұрын
Phenomenal explanation. I am very interested in math and calculus and this video hit all the marks for me. Loving the content
@mrkattm
@mrkattm 7 жыл бұрын
I have an undergrad in Electrical Engineering (1992) and I must say that I really did not grasp the coefficient expansion/substitution in the beginning of the video but I tracked right along with the calculus examples (but it took some thought) and finally I was right with you and perhaps slightly ahead of you, because I saw where you were going, with the explanation of Euler's Formula. It was fun, thanks for sharing!
@BillySkceuk
@BillySkceuk 7 жыл бұрын
12:30 Do we have to worry about the approximation being exact so that the error is 0?
@terouusimaa4941
@terouusimaa4941 7 жыл бұрын
well the approximation of e will not be e so the error should be greater than zero.
@David__U
@David__U 7 жыл бұрын
This crossed my mind too, but ... e is equal to the *infinite* sum given, and every term in that sum is *positive* (e.g., 1/100! >0). This means that if you truncate the infinite sum, such as at the 8th term as he did in the video, you MUST get something *smaller* than e, and therefore there is a POSITIVE error -- not zero.
@matth523
@matth523 7 жыл бұрын
others have touched on it, but error can never be zero. That's what irrational means. If error was zero, you'd be saying you found a discrete value for e and this violates the definition of irrational. If you did this calculation and found your error to be zero, you probably ought to recheck your work and then take your best suit or dress to the cleaners for a fresh pressing because a Nobel Prize in mathematics is headed your way and you'll want to look sharp for the cameras
@David__U
@David__U 7 жыл бұрын
@Hortonius Imperialus: What you say is true about irrationals, but at this point in the video, Mathologer had not yet established that e is irrational; that's exactly what he was trying to prove!
@matth523
@matth523 7 жыл бұрын
true, i suppose. He had yet to test for it but it seems to me that a quantity defined by an infinite sum is by its nature irrational.. what I have an issue with and need to go back to a much earlier math text than i might expect, perhaps as far back as algebra to see by what identity he pulls off what he does at about the 5:00 mark..
@mokopa
@mokopa 7 жыл бұрын
Your videos are, generally, of high value and readily understood. Mathematics demands continuous practice. Your viewers might draw even more benefit from your teaching if you encourage them to, perhaps even insist, that they go and DO the Maths. You do already have things for people to play with and do, but to let your wonderful presentations sink in and stay there, it must be worked at by the student, or it will all fade and leave one with an empty sense of confidence in one's true grasp of the subject. Understanding the explanation is not the same as understanding what was explained.
@heberfarnsworth
@heberfarnsworth 7 жыл бұрын
This was great. I think you give the best mathematical explanations on KZbin (and I follow quite a few math channels).
@DuCaDo003
@DuCaDo003 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. I think your videos are always improving and that this was your best one yet. Very clear and to the point. I would love to hear you explain what transcendental numbers are and why e is one, so I look forward to your next vid. I would also like to see you explain why 1 and 0 are unusual, exceptional numbers that are often treated separately from all other numbers. One thing I don't ever hear mentioned is that e raised to the power phi (the Golden Ratio), that is, 2.71828...^1.61803..., is approximately 5. This might not seem important, but 5 is an important number, not least because it is the number of digits on human hands. The number 5 is also important in other contexts. Anyway, thanks for your videos. I will keep watching!
@AttilaAsztalos
@AttilaAsztalos 7 жыл бұрын
About the million plus one zeros - if we only go to a million, the first non-zero digit of the error and the corresponding digit of our approximation might add up to generate a carry, and then the millionth digit would not be quite right... :)
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 7 жыл бұрын
Exactly, but of course a million will definitely do since the estimate I went for was actually a bit wasteful (easier to explain though :)
@robo3007
@robo3007 7 жыл бұрын
I also heard that e is the global maximum to the function x root x. Is that true?
@iustinianconstantinescu5498
@iustinianconstantinescu5498 7 жыл бұрын
Robin Powell Yes. Proof x^(1/x)=e^(ln x/x) .The derivative of ln x/x is , by the product rule of ln and 1/x, (ln x/x)'=( ln)'*1/x+(1/x)'*ln(x)=1/x^2-(ln(x)/x^2)=(1-ln(x))/x^2.For x
@robo3007
@robo3007 7 жыл бұрын
ustinian Constantinescu Wow that's some serious mathematics. Thanks a lot!
@jannickharambe8550
@jannickharambe8550 8 ай бұрын
I cant replicate what you have shown after watching this video but I did understand everything you did. Great video. I will definitely watch it again
@jacoblojewski8729
@jacoblojewski8729 7 жыл бұрын
I always love your videos, but I just want to say I'm so glad you went into the "why" for the Taylor Remainder Theorem (essentially, even though you didn't quote it outright). I wish I'd have had you as a calculus professor, I never really (really) learned this stuff until much later.
@kevindoom
@kevindoom 2 жыл бұрын
maclaurin series -> taylor maclaurin series
@amyshaw893
@amyshaw893 7 жыл бұрын
now i have two numbers to calculate with python tomorrow
@davidi.levine6253
@davidi.levine6253 6 жыл бұрын
Love this. A detail: Around 8:44 you say “equal to 7 factorial,” when you meant “less than 7!”
@omp199
@omp199 2 жыл бұрын
Correct, except for the timestamp. He says it at about 8:33, and in fact it would be better to watch from 8:24 to hear the full sentence.
@GabrielLeRoux
@GabrielLeRoux 7 жыл бұрын
Love your presentations. The first was more insightful (for me) due to the geometric interpretation. Good work.
@dnikhr6014
@dnikhr6014 7 жыл бұрын
wow really nicely explained, super easy to understand and to follow the reasoning, i watched a lot of your videos and this one is my absolute favorite, because i took away a lot of insight ;), maybe it is because it was a little bit more advanced.
@HolgerKlawitter
@HolgerKlawitter 7 жыл бұрын
going full circle to prove the equality? I see what you did there! 😂
@christiandinkel8481
@christiandinkel8481 7 жыл бұрын
at 8:32 you should really have said "less than". Great video though! Thanks for making this :-)
@corpsiecorpsie_the_original
@corpsiecorpsie_the_original 4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I found your comment before watching that part again. I thought I was completely missing something
@insoleafptyptd3801
@insoleafptyptd3801 3 жыл бұрын
As always a thoroughly enjoyable video that is very accessible and makes the concepts crystal clear.
@brofessorsbooks3352
@brofessorsbooks3352 7 жыл бұрын
This is amazing work! I watched the whole video! You are doing a great thing for growing mathematicians !
@gooble1
@gooble1 7 жыл бұрын
e is totally rational when I use my special integer between 1 and 2. :)
@Liamjlm
@Liamjlm 2 жыл бұрын
Golden ratio
@enceladus32
@enceladus32 6 жыл бұрын
I always read factorials as someone talking about the number excitedly.
@danildmitriev5884
@danildmitriev5884 6 жыл бұрын
One of my teachers told us a story about how he convinced his girlfriend that factorials are to be pronounced as "boy, oh boy", with an excited tone :)
@neilosborne8682
@neilosborne8682 6 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video as usual! Keep up the good work. For some reason, I find your videos more explanatory/fun than those of Numberphile (though I like them too!)
@jorgschmidt8106
@jorgschmidt8106 7 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate all of your videos, although sometimes I have the problem​ to understand some operations or ideas involved in some steps (maybe due to the lack of the ability of higher mathematical thinking). Nevertheless, you do a great job and I enjoy all of your uploaded videos! Keep on going, you rock!
@Robin_Nixon
@Robin_Nixon 7 жыл бұрын
How did he get 22/7 to work in his T-shirt equation?
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 7 жыл бұрын
Check out this wiki page about this pretty identity en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proof_that_22/7_exceeds_π
@ObjectsInMotion
@ObjectsInMotion 6 жыл бұрын
It's a famous putnam test problem. Try it out its easier than it looks.
@nostalgia1036
@nostalgia1036 7 жыл бұрын
What did the librarian say to the KZbinr? Read more
@nostalgia1036
@nostalgia1036 7 жыл бұрын
AMMMM jealous much. PS I know your going to copy and past this comment.
@sinom
@sinom 7 жыл бұрын
•Nostalgia• this comment is old by now. it works better if the read more button is clickable though
@sivad1025
@sivad1025 7 жыл бұрын
LOL. MAKE THIS THE TOP COMMENT!
@DylanUPSB
@DylanUPSB 7 жыл бұрын
It may have been a tiny bit useful to remind viewers that 19/7 - (stuff) is positive because (stuff + positive error) = e. Also at 12:52 you accidentally forgot an "a/b - " at the beginning of your expression
@KokoMbella
@KokoMbella 7 жыл бұрын
My KZbin language settings is German! The joke did not work =( "Mehr anzeigen"
@192ali1
@192ali1 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your great contribution to the world of math and science and your great favor to the mathematics students through out the world.
@PixelGamer36
@PixelGamer36 7 жыл бұрын
As a 17 years old school student I've understood everything in this video. It was very well explained and interesting to listen to :)
@weisj
@weisj 7 жыл бұрын
Shouldn't it be ln(x) rather than log(x) since log(x) usually refers to base 10 and not base e?
@bungeruwu
@bungeruwu 7 жыл бұрын
yeah but i think you can have log x have any base and he chose base e and you are right that would be ln x i hope someone else can confirm
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 7 жыл бұрын
Writing and saying log x for the natural logarithm is quite common, for example in schools here in Australia. I actually had a discussion about ln(x) vs. log(x) for this video with my colleague Marty Ross who proofwatched it. He convinced me that log(x) is the way to go. In general, when I write for mathematicians I use ln(x) and I also say infinite series instead of infinite sums, don't talk about the meaning of 3!, etc. On the other hand in these videos I try to use terms that make sense even to someone who is not terribly familiar with formal math :)
@forrest0no2
@forrest0no2 7 жыл бұрын
As far as I can tell, mathematicians are starting to say log instead of ln since log base 10 really isn't that widely applicable compared to natural log, so it makes sense to simplify the natural log to just "log" since you'll definitely be using that more.
@kezzyhko
@kezzyhko 7 жыл бұрын
In Russia we use ln(x) for base e, lg(x) for base 10 and log{n}(x) for base n "{n}" is a subscript "n"
@Nmonk09
@Nmonk09 7 жыл бұрын
Mathologer I've seen both in Australia. I was taught to write it as ln(x) in high school but one of my university lecturers writes it as log(x).
@stephaneduhamel7706
@stephaneduhamel7706 7 жыл бұрын
?/b!
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 7 жыл бұрын
Just think about it, the error is always positive :)
@stephaneduhamel7706
@stephaneduhamel7706 7 жыл бұрын
Yes, it took me like 10 seconds to realize it, but it's not really obvious. You should have show that e-(the partial sum) is always (obviously) positive, and than your proof would be much easier to understand.
@Discipe
@Discipe 7 жыл бұрын
Also stumbled there. Other than that video is pretty clear :)
@Craznar
@Craznar 7 жыл бұрын
Spent an hour on it, not obvious it is positive ... in general that is.
@Angel33Demon666
@Angel33Demon666 7 жыл бұрын
Stduhpf duh Plop an absolute value there :)
@finskou
@finskou 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! Your explanations are fantastic! I'm falling back in love with math!
@markostojanovic6973
@markostojanovic6973 7 жыл бұрын
i love your vids because they give me ideas of how i can explain to ppl the beauty of math. i always refer them to your vids. i do have a major in math (and comp sci), but its still nice to get in touch with a few 'basics' (since i work in IT), reminds me why i went to college
@jaydoherty8402
@jaydoherty8402 7 жыл бұрын
9:15 You might want to go for 1,000,001 zeros at the beginning of the error estimate because if you just had a million zeros, and the next digit was something large (like a 9 for example) then it would be very possible that your last digit was off by 1. Simple Example: 2.720 +/- 0.009 (three zeros and only two correct digits of e)
@stevethecatcouch6532
@stevethecatcouch6532 7 жыл бұрын
+Jay Doherty If you needed to shoot for 1,000,001 zeros in 1/N! to ensure 1,000,000 accurate digits, that would be the reason. But you don't need 1,000,001 zeros in 1/N!, because 1/N! is so much larger than the actual error, you'll have zeros to spare.
@DitDede
@DitDede 7 жыл бұрын
I already know the math, so this does not serve as an explanation. Nevertheless, I enjoyed it (and many of your other videos). Good job!
@iustinianconstantinescu5498
@iustinianconstantinescu5498 7 жыл бұрын
DitDede So did I!!
@Byt3me21
@Byt3me21 7 жыл бұрын
I very much enjoy watching your videos on mathematics. I would happily watch any of them again and show them to my friends.
@jasondecker1460
@jasondecker1460 7 жыл бұрын
I enjoy developing new context to looking at things from a different perspective and feel mathematics to be that endever in a cool form.
@15october91
@15october91 7 жыл бұрын
10 minutes late, Dough!
@sivad1025
@sivad1025 7 жыл бұрын
D'oh!*
@Wristonfire
@Wristonfire 7 жыл бұрын
look at this e number that I just found
@Puzzlemad
@Puzzlemad 7 жыл бұрын
Takes me back to my youth and also to some OU maths courses done 15+ years ago. Thank you!
@richardschreier3866
@richardschreier3866 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for showing how to prove that e is irrational. I have always wondered how such things are done. I feel as if my eyes have been opened! I am really looking forward to seeing your video on transcendental numbers.
@JossinJax
@JossinJax 6 жыл бұрын
The irony is that really smart people fail to be able to explain things these things to the layman. It's cute when they think they can though. Nice try mathologer, but you threw e^ipi too fast at me.
@Mathologer
@Mathologer 6 жыл бұрын
I am afraid these videos do require a little bit of fluency in basic algebra and for the latter part a bit of calculus. Otherwise there is not much hope :) Also, if you have problems the first time you watch a video like this you can always watch it a second time, right?
@tricross6
@tricross6 7 жыл бұрын
I had been trying to proved that exp(x) equals exp(x) without remembering the series representation. Thanks for the great video!
@hervehascoet7322
@hervehascoet7322 3 жыл бұрын
by and large, appraisal for Mr Mathologer whose demonstration are always very well built without ever resorting to shortcuts ... ( very important not to....) or confusing and incomplete line of thought. Thank you.....
@SuperDreamliner787
@SuperDreamliner787 7 жыл бұрын
Your explanation, why d/dx ln(x) = 1/x is absolutely brilliant! I will remember it for sure, please keep up these videos! Extremely entertaining! Greetings from Germany :)
@dderudito
@dderudito 7 жыл бұрын
Spreading math keeping the formalism and didactics in the flawless level. This is a flawless victory!
@joeldowdy564
@joeldowdy564 7 жыл бұрын
I always look forward to your videos, great work!
@ceramicsky14
@ceramicsky14 7 жыл бұрын
The proof that e is irrational is so short and elegant I had the "aha!" Moment. I love your videos because you give us the tools to know what you are about to say before you say it. For example when you used the irrational proof with denominator 7, I could see how this would be possible with any integer denominator. I love watching your videos and getting the "aha!" moments constantly. Just enough suspense and the pleasure of working it out on our own.
@comuniunecuosho-campulbudi7611
@comuniunecuosho-campulbudi7611 3 ай бұрын
what's the minute for the proof?
@adamradulovich7757
@adamradulovich7757 7 жыл бұрын
I never took calculus or trigonometry, but I would say you explain these concepts, and equations quite well. Was curious about sub factorials. I read about them when I was a teenager.
@juanmanuelgorriz6240
@juanmanuelgorriz6240 3 жыл бұрын
One drawback of this nice video is the use of ml series to demonstrate the derivative of e(x). Ml series of e(x) uses this property. In its own definition.
@antermilov
@antermilov 7 жыл бұрын
I want to point out that this video have extremely high quality. Your level of preparation is great, keep it on! I'm finding it very entertaining despite I already knew nearly all facts from it. But, considering minor flaws it would be very useful to show how good factorial fractions approximation is by showing either table (digits/terms required) or even upper bound function on number of that terms. Anyway, I send you huge warm thanks from cold Russia!
@xXxRapBxXx
@xXxRapBxXx 7 жыл бұрын
So... finally, multiple years after highschool someone explained to me why e^x is the derivative of itself in a way that I could understand. Thank you!
@imoreviews8611
@imoreviews8611 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the knowledge, aligning the proof as you did [ 17:29 ], helped a lot. Thanks
@gucker
@gucker 7 жыл бұрын
Great material, thank you very much for all these explanations! I really like your videos.
@dylanrambow2704
@dylanrambow2704 7 жыл бұрын
Your explanation of why the derivative of log(x) is 1/x was really clever. I will definitely use that the next time I teach calculus.
@bensomnerbogard991
@bensomnerbogard991 7 жыл бұрын
The trigonometric functions part was brilliant and the actual proof for why e^ipi=-1, I have never seen before but I knew the equation before. Thanks!
@jonatanmora4582
@jonatanmora4582 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this vid, I have never been good at math, and then you just took muy mind into understanding this !! Awesone work!!
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