The obligatory 10900K launch day video: OC power draw, cooling, 2x8 4x8 & 2x16 RAM OC.

Summary:
~300-350W of CPU power draw is doable and kinda coolable.
RAM OC is amazing.
2x8 4600 CL19
2x16 4133 CL17
4x8 4266 CL16 and 4266 CL13 at ridiculous volts.
Z490 boards are STRONK
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[@josephimports]

Been waiting for this. In BZ we trust.. Thanks MSI for the channel support. The Unify looks to be a great board.

[@iceblade019]

Joey I’m thinking if all Z490 boards have white post codes

[@tarfeef_4268]

@@iceblade019 for post codes not on the rear io like my m8i, that's actually pretty nice to have. Hope everyone is doing that

[@coccoborg]

Power draw goes brrrrrr

[@skyvenrazgriz8226]

Does a obligatory vid, does 45+ min vid. BZ you are the best ;)

[@dmitc01]

Just watched a 50 min video What was it about? Am...... I'm not sure Did you learn anything? Yeah Buildzoid feaking loves Z490 for overclocking

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

well this is a bit shit. also FIRTS

[@henryponds9071]

first

[@rherbm]

You lost bz

[@davidjohansson1416]

@@henryponds9071 FIRTS!

[@Ceeby1234]

Has anyone ever beat you? I clicked 19 seconds after upload lol.

[@TeamTDU]

firts

[@blazetechstuff]

"its on loan" vcore 2v

[@gmeyolo2809]

lmao

[@sunnohh]

As long as the print on the IHS is legible!

[@skycorrigan6511]

@@sunnohh lol

[@shibasss]

Where's the obligatory B550 buying guide video so that you don't have to reply directly to all the people asking you what cheap board to put their 3950x in?

[@mongopoju]

I'm getting the same board arriving next week! I'll try to cool it on air first wish me luck.

[@vapidwords]

1.4v on VCCSA for 4600? Doesn't seem super impressive..

[@rulik006]

Seems like ez degradation. 4400 is limit for skylake

[@Oldsah]

@@rulik006 I was running 4400 17 18 it really was unstable... may be the motherboards though.

[@klendatas1]

What motherboard?

[@Oldsah]

Intel next 14nm is Ocean Lake. The CPU is watertight and cannot be delidded. The platform can have 12 times as many soldiers and has double the power draw. 100C which allows for cooking of steaks. Im actually interested in the 10700k much easier to cool probably.

[@AdamBrackney]

Bro, have you considered getting a different capture card and if so what would you like? I've heard the elgato HD60 works really well.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

Most of the time this one works just fine.

[@JMUDoc]

I'll be honest - I am more interested in the DRAM controller than the CPU. That's how far Intel has fallen.

[@dihartnell]

Ouch!! lol

[@kvahlman]

Perfect outro!

[@mauriceelet6376]

4600MHz just like that... wow. I think the highest you can get an 4 DIMM z390 is like 4570MHz. I got that to boot on a formula XI but hell you need time that it just not crash in like 1 minute idle. 4533 is kinda possible for benchmarks, but sadly no 24/7. the Boards just freak out if you do over 4400MHz. i switched between 4400 and 4410MHz forth and back and you can boot better but stability is just gone.

[@ole7736]

Your video is great, don't overthink it! :)

[@Scytian1]

Are you planning B550 VRM analysis? Some of the board makers went totally overboard (ASUS) and it seems they made 14+2 B550 motherboards.

[@user-nq3xi4wm2k]

So can we get a z490 buildzoid board? Maybe gigabyte would do it

[@techluvin7691]

I have the 10900K on an Asus Z590-A with a Noctua NH-D15 massive air cooler. It is so large, I only had room for the middle fan. Running at 5.2 GHz temps barely reach 80C. CPU fan is set for full speed. The Noctua cooler is the best I’ve ever used. Literally crushes every other air cooler I have used. Obviously some good silicon because even running an auto overclock it boosted 43%. Crazy. Of course, using auto overclocking is boring………so nixed that. I’ll see how far I can go on 1.35v before backing off for case installation. Then I’ll do the memory 😊

[@deminybs]

Dammit KZbin I know im not getting any new Intel chips but I still want buildzoid's notifications!! owell I'm here now eating a hot cocoa packet by itself 😂

[@robertandrews6915]

MSI loaned the board and cpu, hmm. Knowing MSI they def set this up. Now I gotta wonder if the result should be voided, without seeing past 5 min. Ever since Steve's video. I just don't trust msi

[@teddygoboom1]

19:47 haha he sayd the meam

[@joefowble]

Figure you went with b die viper kits for consistency, but hope the crucial e die kits make it into z490 board you test out too. Entirely selfish reasoning is I bought 2 x 8 of that for Intel and want to peek at bios timing optimization you do for e die on Intel mainstream platform.

[@jpesicka492]

Just swapped by b dies for even faster e dies. Micron is the shit man actually making their own products and their research and development.

[@haroldburrow4363]

Wow, 225w+ power draw reminds me of the qx9650 era.

[@Max-ss2gy]

even the 3900X draws that much power in prime

[@ReHWolution]

It's way north of that. 31 Amps on a 12V means closer to 400W. Basically threadripper 32 cores territory.

[@adrianszymanski4699]

My 8700K can actually eat 260W :v

[@leafgreenhd1612]

@@adrianszymanski4699 what? I have one at 5ghz it does 146W on cinebench

[@adrianszymanski4699]

@@leafgreenhd1612 i saw this number with 5,2GHz 1,4vcore in occt smal fft with avx2

[@Mike500]

Typical video must include: - Frantically tapping the ESC key about 30 times to enter the BIOS - Going to the "benchmark" pages in AIDA64 and doing each benchmark one by one, instead of going to "Tools" - "Cache and memory benchmark" and double-clicking on the "Memory" text, which will perform the read-write-copy-latency tests and display them all at once - Self-criticism about time management regarding the video length

[@MiNiONaToR31]

I will be building an 10900k with ROG MAXIMUS XII HERO or ROG STIRX Z490-E GAMING. Is this memory good for OC on this 2 boards? Should i go with: F4-4000C18D-16GTZKW or with F4-4133C19D-16GTZR. They are at 1.35v and cost 200eur each. If not, please tell me which memory is best for high OC. I live in EU.

[@theunholybakery1990]

It's not about cooling the cpu. It's about cooling the nuclear reactor needed to power it.

[@samfedorka5629]

39.10 The max geekbench current draw was 31.74A during stream copy at 37:22. This corresponds to a VRM input power of 380.88 W, and an estimated CPU power of 342.8W (with a VRM efficiency of 90%. It's likely a littly higher). However this was only at one point of the test: The current in GB was more often around 22A, spiked into the 30's very briefly a few times and it dipped to 7A frequently. As you said CB was a pretty constant 31.5 - 32.5 A (340 W to the CPU) which explains the higher temps. It may have throttled at 100 degrees, but the current stayed constant.

[@ebsmith1102]

Not safe for daily use translation to normies: DO NOT USE UNLESS YOU WANT TO KILL YOUR COMPUTER.

[@DNAReader]

Hey buildzoid ! how much are you looking forward to OC a 4700G ? Monolithic bringing lower memory latency and >2GHz fclk sounds great. It might prove a pretty impressive overclocker over a 3700X..

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

should be interesting.

[@ReubenRevolution]

NO PCIE 4.0 until 2021 Q1 hahahahhahahhaha still

[@MiIitaryEdits]

We are building a gaming pc for my buddy with a rtx 2080 super and an i9 10900k. Is a straight power 11 650W enough, if you want to overclock? Thanks guys

[@Azraleee]

No, at stock it might run, but only if it is a really good PSU. Grab a good 800W (or stronger if you want to overclock) unit for the CPUs power spikes.

[@peny1981]

So Unify nad Ace should world without a problem with Patriot 4x8GB 4400 mhz cl 19?

[@davidjohansson1416]

YEEEEE BOOIIIIII!

[@ExPsy]

X299 is faster in single threaded. At least 2 times faster than everything currently out there. The problem is that being faster is limited in complicated calculations and requires the software to support the associated instructions.

[@Joh_Lam]

Hey, could I ask you for recommendation what 4x8 ram kit to get? Waiting for 10900k and Max XII Formula. Actually prefer Gskill and was in the market for 4000 17-17-17-37 or 4266-17-18-18-38. But those are pretty expensive kits- is this a waste of money if Z490 performs so well on RAM OC anyways or worth the money because possibly getting even crazier results with such a binned kit?

[@user-wj5hc3tp9v]

i can´t decide which ITX motherboard to get. The Gigabyte z490i aorus ultra or the MSI z490i Unify?

[@FireTwo]

your bios version is 7C71vA13 but on support page only is 7C71vA00 ?

[@chincemagnet]

The only thing that interests me about these boards is how they handle memory and sadly, next gen...WTF...PCI-E 4.0

[@teddygoboom1]

Sorry second half of buildzoid's video, luumi uploaded

[@ReeseL4D]

I am waiting for the 99999k to upgrade.

[@warrax111]

you mean i99-99999k?

[@Wu187FU]

Before i watch the video i got a question. Bought new RAM and some said i picked a bad ones. F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC Should i change?

[@rusTORK]

Depends, really. No data about system. Good for Ryzen 3000, also not bad for X299, but not really good for 1151v2 (a bit slow).

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

if it's for Ryzen that's fine

[@bigal2688]

I have this Exact set in my Asus X570 Crosshair Hero VIII with a 3900X and it runs SWEET! Has totally solved my "8d" Bios error I was getting with Corsair 3200 C16! Always check your Motherboards QVL list to see if it's supported!

[@MiIitaryEdits]

@@rusTORK my friend is building a i7 10700k system, what ram speed would you get for intel with RGB? Thanks

[@kelvinyonger8885]

@@MiIitaryEdits Do you have time? OCing memory, even with basic techniques is very cost-effective. For kits, I don't know about any good, cheap RGB kits. For performance/dollar the Ballistix 3000 C15s (look for AES in part no.) have a ton of potential.

[@mee_ehow5106]

Should I get this if I’m running 4 sticks 3600@cl14 or will the daisy chain be a bottleneck?

[@salamtak0gingi]

I like what u doin 😁

[@ЕвгенийНестеров-в9г]

Hello Buildzoid! I need your opinion. A few minutes ago I wrote a long message to you, but my light was turned off, it was gone, now I have to formulate it shorter. Can I run this kit of memory (www.gskill.com/qvl/165/299/1580449585/F4-4000C15Q-32GTRS-Qvl) stable with 10600K (yeah, not 10900K) on Asus Z490 Extreme? This model is in the list of compatible ones both on the RAM website and on the Asus website. But I saw your video about high-speed sets of RAM, you said that they are not stable, that there may be problems with the cpu's memory controller. But this video was shot 2 years ago, now a lot has changed, right? For me, the speed of RAM does not matter much, but for me, timings and latency are important. In another video of yours about the basics of overclocking RAM, you suggested a formula for calculating latency: frequency / primary timing and what value is greater, that memory set is better. So, this set combines low timings at a high frequency, but the voltage is 1.5V .. I'm worried about the stability of the system, especially in conjunction with 10600K. If this memory kit is not stable, I will choose 3200/14 and be happy. Yes, I know that 4000/15 is very expensive, but now it's not about the cost, but about the stability of the system.

[@bart9509]

Been recommended to ask this question here :) Will the ROG STRIX Z490-E GAMING be enough for the 10900k? Or would I have to go with something beefier. I don't plan to overclock the processor really.

[@DiJAndy]

You will be enough, trust me as I am Asus Fanboy :)

[@kelvinyonger8885]

If you're running it stock it doesn't matter. All boards will be able to handle stock CPUs. OC is where power consumption rises and where MoBos matter more.

[@kilner79]

hmm i have the 10900k with an nsane cooling system my chip can do decent clock speeds at semi low voltage but my temps are still high at 1.35v loads httng like 100c i even removed and remounted my block and its just the same 3x360 rads 1x d5 pump ek magnatude waterblock if you managed to stay below 100c with an aio at like 1.3 to 1.35 v i feel like i have an issue with ether the chip or my coolng

[@GreekSIMRACING]

Can we make a mod bios for Taichi x370 to support Zen3?

[@kuma4891]

When you were using calculator on your pc, it have been most over powered for the tasks you threw at it

[@Falkentyne07]

Buildzoid, In your BIOS there is a setting for changing the voltage monitoring. I saw you change it in the middle of the video. Was the die sense not working correctly? VCC Sense vs socket sense? I'm not sure why CPU-Z says "core VID" instead of "Core voltage" though. (1.92 x64 shows Core voltage on my M12 Extreme). HWinfo64 should at least have it right.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

yeah I'm not sure what's up with that not working.

[@robertdunlop5247]

BZ where did you get that bios?

[@robertdunlop5247]

Did it come with the board or did you update it?

[@TeamTDU]

BIOS timer may 12 but BIOS build date may 19. time travel!

[@sezoism]

thoughts on z490 aorus master? it's using 14 phase (7 phase with doublers) but the ultra has 12 phase direct, what's more stable in ocing?

[@Zesserie]

Im not buildzoid: But the 12 phase should have, compared to a dubbled 7 phase, better transients, also since it's using that 16 phase XDPE132GSC controller. there are functions for turning of individual mosfets if you dont need the current handling. Current blancing per face etc. The dubbled 7 phase is probably good enough but you've reached the point of minimal gains with more phases when comparing "14" to 12.

[@AceHardy]

👑

[@generalxp8850]

thanks for this video and thanks msi !

[@frankbrancato3997]

What board an memory are you using?

[@DiJAndy]

@Actually Hardcore Overclocking ! I am currently building my new gaming platform and can you advise me which DDR4 are the best right now? The price doesn't matter. I am thinking about G.Skill Trident Z DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 3600 CL15 or maybe you have some better options such as buying some cheaper set, but much better OC potential Thanks!

[@kelvinyonger8885]

Why don't you care about price? Are you planning on buying a 2080 Ti? Keep in mind Ampere has a good chance of destroying Turing soon. If price doesn't matter, but you have time, the viper steel 4400 C19s are great.

[@simoSLJ89]

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[@bryandepaepe5984]

The faster the pump runs the hotter the pump gets which raises the water temperature because the pump is being cooled by the water, at least on my open loop.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

you must have one hell of an inefficient pump.

[@bryandepaepe5984]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Yep, it's a DDC.

[@DrumL3000]

Can someone pls tell me, which of the Asus z490 Boards are PCIE4.0 Ready ?

[@DiJAndy]

Currently none but sooner or later there will be BIOS update enabling this feature, cause Z490 motherboards are ready for this technology, but 10th gen Intel isn't

[@DrumL3000]

@@DiJAndy this gives me flashbacks with the x470/b450 pcie4.0 situation... not gonna risk it. going Amd now :D

[@georgeivanov844]

Does "obligatory" mean "boring for me"?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

more like IDK how to do a launch day video.

[@eso_x5006]

MSI Yes！！！

[@Goldenhordemilo]

copperpipe rad?

[@ghazanfarhaider7404]

Can a faulty cause a system to run slower over all my friend upgraded from 3570 to i7 3770 and now his system is overall slower

[@kelvinyonger8885]

Did he swap a 3570K for a normal 3770, cause the lack of OC could matter, or if he forgot to OC the CPU and memory.

[@ghazanfarhaider7404]

I just test his system ... It run 3.4 on single core benchmark but goes below 1000mhz on multicore cinebench run temps are fine under 50degree ... What could be rhe problem

[@yeojylesjin]

It could be a power delivery issue if the cores just drop frequency like that without hitting thermal limit. i7s are more power hungry than i5s due to the additional threads, but not by much. But first check the following: -Check that the motherboard BIOS is updated -Check that the BIOS is running on default settings -Windows power plan -> Minimum processor state -> 100% -Set RAM to XMP (or whatever speed it used to run stably at) -Make sure no other programs are in the background when running benchmarks where possible And see if the problem persists.

[@Kossmok]

hello there

[@matapk2]

Good stuff

[@Bobzillaaaful]

is 1.5 volts for ddr4 still the very top end for running daily for z490?

[@FeintMotion]

The IC is what dictates safe voltage rather than chipset and stuff

[@DiJAndy]

As far as I know on most of MSI Z490 to reach 4000+MHz you need at least 1,45V and quiet good memory kit. In otherwise you probobly will not able to boot to windows. Please don't take my words too seriously cause I am Asus fanboy :)

[@kelvinyonger8885]

@@DiJAndy DDR4 voltage resistance is dictated by the memory, but I'm not sure how well the IMC stands up to VCCSA and IO, but I'd assume it's the same as 9th gen, given they're mostly the same.

[@oven88]

i'm pretty sure a hairdryer could benchmark more efficiently

[@shaolin95]

Alert **butthurt AMD fanboy detected** ... We get it, it hurts that you STILL don't know what is to own a 5Ghz capable course

[@maulcs]

​@@shaolin95 Hey, but he can imagine the benchmarks for all those multi-threaded renders he never does

[@oven88]

@@shaolin95 im still on haswell fam, sorry

[@aexandereung5686]

Isnt 1.4v SA deadly? Tho I guess just because the IHS has to stay good doesnt mean the memory controller has to

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

considering the 1.65V SA I've been using the for the 4x8 profile. I'm starting to thing the common VCCSA guidelines might be overly cautions.

[@basedanon420]

No, not with 8th and 9th gen it isn't, can't speak for any other gen processor. 1.6v doesn't even kill the IMC immediately so I'm thinking 1.4v shouldn't be an issue.

[@aexandereung5686]

Hmm I guess instead of making the IMC more capable, make it more resistant to high voltage also does the trick

[@riffsthatkill2180]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking They are. I think people haven't adjusted expectations for high clock speed RAM and still think it should be below 1.2v or something like that. My 3600mhz Gskill on XMPII (Z490-E board) auto runs at 1.41 SA voltage. If I try dropping it below 1.32-ish, it's unstable.

[@jackstark5854]

Nice Vid, Yo buildzoid do you think it would be possible to mod x370 to run zen 3?

[@fVNzO]

It's definitely possible but you still need that juicy agesa and microcode - possibly a restructuring of the bios chip. I'm thinking that on the asus strix-f it would be a relatively easy backport since the X370/X470 versions are literally identical apart from the aesthetics and chipset + asus use similar bioses for most of their mid tier boards.

[@olo398]

watch the GN videos on that, its a yes/no answer.

[@nikolakarovic5964]

@@olo398 Gn is Gey

[@charliekan457]

what if move to new node will they able to hit high clock frequency?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

SPOILERS: 10nm still clocks like trash

[@DNAReader]

They would definitely have a hard time hitting 5.0 on 10 or 7nm, unless EUV removes a lot of random from computational lithography for them, so my guess is they're going IPC first.

[@shawnpitman876]

What if my little pony was a documentary of a country that you're not allowed to visit? Lets stick to things that are possible.

[@expert3iii]

How do you like the EVGA CLC 280?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

the fans it comes with suck

[@joefowble]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I switched them out for Arctic p14 pwms and that reduced noise a lot.

[@expert3iii]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I agree I actually swapped mine out with nochtua chromax

[@gewinnste]

I suggest an OC to 1.25x XD

[@soraaoixxthebluesky]

They did improve the cooling efficiency but man the power draw. There’s nothing can fix that with that 14nm node.

[@kelvinyonger8885]

@@jayden974 yeah but the PSU may need to be upgraded with these stupid power draws. To be fair, efficiency is actually the same as Coffee Lake per voltage, just there are more cores and Intel is shipping them with higher clocks now.

[@redrock425]

@@jayden974 is not so much the cost of the power, it's the heat it generates. That degrades components and has to be removed into the room you are sitting in. It gets unpleasant. My current 3700X system is nice and cool, much nicer for long gaming sessions. My old system used to cook me!

[@rherbm]

First

[@ThePredator2k]

First Geman here!

[@bohdan_lvov]

FIRST

[@henryponds9071]

First comment

[@filippocld]

FLIRTS

[@basedanon420]

First Get rekt BZ

[@puperhacker2150]

Get a 3900x for 100 quid less and smoke this thing.

[@soraaoixxthebluesky]

This thing only make sense for competitive gamers. Other than that. Man just a waste of money.

[@rherbm]

As someone with a 3900x I'm okay with admitting that 10900k performs better in gaming. I did pay 100 dollars less though so price performance I made out good.

[@kelvinyonger8885]

Yeah, but to be fair it does still outperform Ryzen for those who want 1440/240hz or some other stupid framerates, but the 10600K is still somewhat promising.

[@redrock425]

Agreed and move beyond 1080p where CPU frame rate differences are hardly noticeable.

[@tejastee9950]

First