Messing around with overclocking 128GB of Crucial Ballistix DDR4 with a 10900K.

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[@ironman6527]

"The CPU's memory controller is very upset about this". Haha

[@shaneeslick]

is there ever a CPU memory controller that's happy when Buildzoid is OC memory 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@SgtRock4445]

That Crucial love❤️

[@guiorgy]

Who else is shipping BZ x Crucial?

[@XDSDDLord]

This was very interesting, I don't understand much about memory overclocking, but I'm sure I learned something, even if I don't know what yet. Edit: I think Crucial at got their money's worth from this video.

[@traingp7]

"When you get up to this much memory I don't know." That's the only way to live life.

[@Leo-ce4uz]

Could you one day do a general RAM overclocking guide?

[@MikolajKonarski]

Hi! I've overcklocked two of similar 32GB sticks (3200@CL16, Crucial Ballistix BL32G32C16U4W), not matched, to 3733 1:1 (the highest my Ryzen 3 3100 would go). Happy to share the details. In short: 1.42V (lowering to 1.41V would require lowering a few timings), 16-17-17-35-52-559.

[@MikolajKonarski]

And actually, my plan is, after RAM gets even cheaper (I got this pair for 250$ used), to get another pair or even 4x64GB (I use a lot of RAM compiling from Haskell to Javascript, etc.). However, I have no idea if my CPU, or any AM4 CPU I may decide to upgrade to, would handle that gracefully. The video gives me hope, but AMD is a different story... [Edit: b450 Tomahawk and 15 years old Delta power supply that weighs a ton, the likes of which you can't buy any more, so only the CPU is a problem]

[@rupertmediao]

@@MikolajKonarski nice, thanks - this is what I was looking for

[@MikolajKonarski]

​@@rupertmediao BTW, Thaiphoon Burner identifies my dies as "DRAM Die Revision / Process Node: B / 17 nm", so not Micron E-die, but Micron B-die. If the chips in the video are E-die, perhaps they overclock better than mine. In any case, neither Micron E-die nor Micron B-die timing from DRAM Calculator matched my sticks and feeding the stats read via Thaiphoon Burner didn't help either. In other words, you are on your own and this iterative methodology may be the best bet if you don't have as much experience as BZ: www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-memory-tweaking-overclocking-guide/5.html Also, cool the sticks very well, they get hot and the timings seem sensitive to temperature.

[@Lurker-dk8jk]

This video was of interest to me having recently purchased a Vengeance LPX 128GB (4x 32GB) DDR4-3600 kit for my x570 Aorus Ultra motherboard. Some great insights, Buildzoid. Thank you!

[@uhth]

I feel in love with crucial :3

[@Herbstleid]

Can you pls do 2x32gig OC with this ram on x570, because of the new Ryzen CPUs?

[@AndrewCislak]

This video was more informative than you think! It’s hard to find information about high capacity kits

[@randomchars9619]

its harder tan finding an osasis in the desert. only uber boring 2x8 or 2x16 at most. but interestng stuff like 64+, haard to find any information. Same goes for ECC memory

[@DennisCorner]

Very! I myself have been looking all over and just found this beauty! Sadly, it's on Intel again...

[@lukaslauermann1984]

really looking forward to your 570/B550 + Zen3 recommendation / reviews! as i will most likely get myself a 5900X for christmas and i am still very unsure which board to get. as always: thank you so much for your quality content! stay safe =)

[@deminybs]

I'm not sure If I wanna go 5900x over my 3900x or 5800x for single die

[@darchandarchan7036]

just get asus tuf x570 or tomahawk b550. other decent options are x570 unify and taichi. depending on your budget

[@HunterGolem]

X570 Tomahawk Best board for X570

[@deminybs]

@@HunterGolem just filled 3rd and final NVME drive in my x570 taichi (:

[@DigitalPickaxeLLC]

@@HunterGolem i heard msi shit the bed with x570, is the tomahawk a different story? I have an asus tuf x570 I bought before the tomahawk came out so I haven't read reviews since then

[@williammurdock3028]

Now I would have liked to have seen a X299 system. Like a Dark from EVGA

[@offimatrix4897]

Interesting

[@AndrewCislak]

Love this!

[@localguide5471]

Would you say 32GB Ballistix CL18 3600 single rank 8gbX4 micron b-die is better than 64GB Ballistix CL16 3200 dual rank 16gbX4 micron e-die? Is micron b-die superior to e-die for overclocking? Awesome videos by the way. BIG FAN.

[@chrcoluk]

Buildzoid what is your view on maxing trefi for daily use? I used to do it but read a lot of warnings so put it back to auto, but it has a very visible impact on performance tests. Also Iike yourself I try to prioritise latency without compromising throughput too much. I found my 3200CL14 kit gave better latency with 3000CL12, currently running it at 3334CL14 which has latency halfway between 3200CL14 and 3000CL12.

[@claylomax]

Hi Buildzoid

[@kylegushue]

Audio Engineers rely on high memory capacity, thanks for the vid, its useful to us.

[@tickscollector9029]

It was better if he used an AMD cpu (3900/3950/5900/5950)

[@sabishiihito]

@@tickscollector9029 not really. Intel CPUs can actually benefit from high clock speeds because they don't have the Infinity Fabric limitations. Maybe the Ryzen 5000 series would do fine, but definitely not the older chips.

[@proxis9980]

of course you can overcloxkit :D i ahve 128gb of 3200 cranked up to 3766 on cl18 its a blessing for number crunching :D took 15 min away from my code.

[@harshithreddy2120]

AMD Cooler? KEKW

[@crimsongrimstone]

Mr. ZOID, I have a question. So When I initially built my pc in 2018 I installed 16gb of gskill ripjaws (F4-3200C16D-16GVKB)...I know it's pretty basic ram..but I was able to achieve 3466 cl 16-17-17-36 @1.4v, which is fine for me. Recently decided to upgrade to 32gb by purchasing another (F4-3200C16D-16GVKB) kit...even though they're the exact same kit, one says 2018 and the new one says 2020 and they look slightly different in appearance..I was wondering if they could be different pcb's, or different memory chips? I've been hesitant to attempt to overclock because of this. If you could offer any advice I would be very grateful. Thanks again and keep up the great content.

[@tysonfraess]

Use Thaiphoon Burner to check what the memory chips are on each ram stick. Its free and works well.

[@crimsongrimstone]

@@tysonfraess OK. I'll definitely give that a shot. If it turns out that they are different from one another should I avoid overclocking and stick to xmp?

[@tysonfraess]

@@crimsongrimstone it’s optimal that all sticks are using the same memory chips. You will get further in overclocking for sure if they are the same. As long as whatever you overclock is stable I can’t see it being bad.

[@crimsongrimstone]

@@tysonfraess For sure..I'll try thaiphoon burner next chance I get. I hope the visual difference I'm seeing is just a subtle heat spreader revision. They're a slightly different shade of black and the heat spreader is approximately 1-2mm higher when installed in the dimm slots. BTW, I appreciate your responses.

[@SimonRousseau1]

i pressed like before the ad finished playing

[@penguinton7691]

Are you going to tighten timings on video card memory?

[@jean-paulpitman2172]

Cool ram, adding to my recommended list.

[@dexheavy85]

I would really like to see 2x32GB on ITX motherboard. Also it would be nice if you could test it on ITX boards with Zen3. Tnx for the video. And keep on the good work.

[@Alex-yp3zp]

I got some the 4000mhz version - 4x8gb . Changing the voltage for changing timings fails to boot. But with xmp (Voltage at xmp default) changing timings and speed to 3733mhz works. It straight up confuses me.

[@Healcraft]

Did you attempt to run that 5100 kit at "stock" xmp yet?

[@shaneeslick]

Answer: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYHCqnSKfZuLqsU

[@jean-paulpitman2172]

10min video?? Seems sus, what have you done with the real Buildzoid?? Hehe. Oh wait, it's a 25min rambler. It is the real Buildzoid!! Hazar!

[@marcusvowels6404]

I love this motherboard

[@scottforti3194]

I don’t understand how that much voltage on the cpu is ok

[@dallatorretdu]

heii AHOC, I'm having a ram problem with 2 corsair 3200mhz 32gb sticks... By just enabling XMP the computer sometimes reboots when idle, and in Bios i see the ram voltage a bit higher than the value inserted by XMP. If I then manually rise that voltage it goes stable.... What the heck shall I do go on with manual voltages? [X570 Impact & 3950X]

[@notyouraveragegamer130]

have you checked if your kit is on the QVL of your board?

[@dallatorretdu]

@@notyouraveragegamer130 I think so

[@SoysauceML]

Actually Hardcore Overclocking actually hardcore overclocking. ...Okay I'll see myself out.

[@nc0gneto]

Bullzoid. Please forgive the off topic question. We know that the AMD 5000 series CCX's now have 8 cores each, as opposed to the 4 core per CCX of the 3000 Series. Therefore, the 5600x and the 5800x should each only have one CCX per CPU, with access to 32 MB of L3 cache (improved over the 3000 series 16 mb). Where things really get interesting is with the 5900x, we move to 2 CCX design (assuming 6 active cores on each ccx) and not 64 MB of L3, but 70 MB of L2+L3. My question is somewhat complicated, but interesting none the less. How would speculate a 5900x, with only 3 active cores on each of it's CCx's (the best ones of course, if certain bios's will allow us to manually disable cores) compare with a 5600x? both Cpu's would have the same amount of active cores, yet the 5600x would have all it's cores on one ccx. However, the 5900x, with only 6 active cores, would have access to more than 2x the L2+L3 cache. Thoughts?

[@MadPotoo]

Can you run Geekbench 4 and 5 as well? 64-bit is available for free for those versions but not V3 so it's harder for us peasants to reference the performance gain :(

[@XiaOmegaX]

Definitely do a 32x2 video of this kit.

[@Stevenx01]

That's a raMdom video

[@VargVikernes1488]

What about the 3200 mhz kits? Would they run comparably well? In dual rank configuration with only 2 sticks of 32.

[@Pcgamingfixes]

Again thank you for the larger ram kits. Any chance youve do anything with gskill royals 65g kit? Ive got the 3200's

[@asusamjad]

Do you got 5000 series amd

[@tarfeef_4268]

Do you think a 4-channel cpu would be better able to push these sticks further (with a different and theoretically better memory controller)?

[@The-Bloke]

I care about X299! :(

[@ZeNch25]

Hi!

[@pmnoxx]

128gb for 5950x

[@matty1234a1]

I am shopping for a 64gb kit for my 3950x itx build...keep sending him kits crucial, ill show luv where it counts, probs not this kit tho its out of stock

[@dvr1337]

So my quadchannel dualrank is actually octarank?:)

[@ReptileMonitor]

Would you to try this with the 13900K and either an MSI Z790 Edge or the Tomahawk, I'd be all set if I can get a stable 4000 CL18/17 overclock or at least something close to it. Edit: I'm asking because I have the same Crucial 128GB memory.

[@VeritronX]

I just looked up these sticks.. one of these kits costs as much as a 10850K here =O

[@UltraDXSASC]

I'm getting 4x16GB Trident Z 3200, lets see if my Taichi did not die on the process

[@deminybs]

x570 taichi?

[@UltraDXSASC]

@@deminybs X370, i'm not changing mobo, i'll be changing the new socket and Ryzen 6000 are launched

[@Wasmachineman]

Cool, I have the same modules and i'm (im)patiently awaiting the Zen 3 release and a possible X570 Taichi refresh.

[@randomchars9619]

Now were talking (could you do similar high capacity oc tests on AMD plattforms?)

[@nster3]

What X570 boards would do well for mem OCing 128GB generally? I tend to not care about OCing but watching some of your vids made me want to give it a go lol

[@randomchars9619]

from what ive seen msi did some good work this generation to having clean memorysignals on their latest 570 boards (BZ mentioned that somewhere). so the unify/ace and ofc godlike (8 layer) would be good recommendations (check BZs reviews of those boards) So RAM wise id go for msi. Their Ram support also seems to be quite good

[@anhiirr]

actually he stans pretty hard for the x570 tomahawk...its why i got it bc he was able to hit 3733 c14 for the 3950x. and a high all core OC with low voltage.

[@skypickle29]

Could a ryzen run 128 gb at this speed?

[@cstkl1]

msi auto oc helps dude who doesnt know anything video. lol

[@godsvoid]

Oh wow, that was quick. Thanks, very informative.

[@loonie5468]

This really gives me a lot of hope for my OCing prospects of two times 2x 16GB 3600Mhz (which should be even easier to do this on), just one set in dual-rank mode for best timings while all four dimms in quad-rank at OK timings at 4000Mhz for my Zen 3 build if I need the 64GB for rendering or such. Or is there next to no difference between the difficulty of OCing 16GB dimms and 32GB dimms on Rev b?

[@IanSinclair77]

Depends on tons of stuff mate. I have 4x16gb as and they run at 3600 xmp without issue on a MSI MEG and 3900x. Can get to 3800 but I'm happy at 3600. 32gb sticks look fun but I'm not sure Ryzen IMC could handle them as well as Intel does. Still one area AMD can improve on IMO...

[@thelongslowgoodbye]

I'm probably that one person who cares about X299 and would have liked to see these memory sticks run on an EVGA X299 DARK

[@rulik006]

Yea, x299 is dead.

[@razpor]

so are all ballistix kots now rev-b?? just ordered a 2x16 gb 3000 mhz cl15 kit ,hoping it ll be rev e and dual rank. are all kits now rev b or only 3600 mhz bin upwards??

[@rustyroy5385]

Would 4x16GB 3600MT C16 be likely to perform / OC any different than 2x32GB 3600MT C16 on a dual channel board? Crucial offer both.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

I'd expect 4x16 to be problematic depending on which ICs it uses.

[@RobbyRoberts91]

Anyone have played with 3200mhz model on intel? Taken for 49 euro 8x2 in the prime day D:

[@anhiirr]

yes with a 10600k in stock ran well. Its now with 3600mhz duel rank c16 kit 32gb(2x16). Still crucial. But now the 10600k is OC and with an AIO. the 10600k with 5700 xt gets better/higher fps than my 3950x/5700xt system. Sold the intel system to a friend. It gets a lot hotter bc their AIO is top mounted/reduces exhaust from HOT gpu. My system is a push pull front mount....so my cpu is 10-15c cooler and my gpu is also cooler. Just depends on the chassis i guess. I was also testing the 10600k/3200mhz 8x2 kit with 1440p 'ultrawide the entire time. The new setup is playing on FHD. So the performance IMO is even better as far as latency.....pcpart picker shows actual responsetime/latency of ram kits...if that helps intel is usually faster than AMD. Pre zen3.

[@stigi3849]

Buildzoid is MY bestfriend:)

[@rulik006]

I read "my boyfriend"

[@stigi3849]

@@rulik006 No, MY Bestfriend :)

[@joesanchez979]

Nice 👍

[@markdjdeenix6846]

Invisible memory

[@SOP83]

I just picked up a 4x32 3200 micron ecc kit. It probably has the same chips as your kit, just not binned as high. running it at 3400 17-20-18-20-40-60 1.33v now, 2700x x370 gaming7 board. Test it on ryzen? I'm a weirdo so I sit around for hours testing mem settings, I enjoy having something to do ....

[@IanSinclair77]

I couldn't get my 3600c17 2x16 (32gb) kit of b-die to run over 3300 on a CH7 with a 2700x. You're doing well mate.

[@Jonw8222]

For you guys, it's your CPU that is the bottleneck. The IMC on that CPU is holding it back, with a 3000 series CPU that bottleneck would be removed, until you get to 3600-3800mhz. The RAM itself would become the bottleneck. The other thing is, if you're using 4 sticks, you want a T Topology board, CH VI or X470 Taichi for example. With Daisy chain, you really want to stick to using 2 sticks. I'm not sure if x370 Gaming 7 is T Top or Daisy chain.

[@CO7DFiRE]

Do the same with AMD

[@scottforti3194]

Can anyone please tell me if I’m OK to go over 1.4 V with a 360 mm rad

[@botdamian5688]

I made my Patriot Viper 4000mhz CL15 15 16 35 but it looks like it doesn't matter at all in games. Now I'm running 2666mhz CL10 10 10 30 and the 0.1% FPS are better than with 4000mhz cl15

[@randomchars9619]

that statement would get informative value if youd added the capacity and # of sticks

[@anhiirr]

what about the frame time i find that to be a bit more of a concept that i would care about for Competitive shooters that are typically ran with non "MAXED" settings let alone with a reduced resolution from native. So above all that, id prioritize frametime/input latency

[@redclaw72666]

it only matters on CPU bound games and to push the GPU to it's limit there is a difference just not looking at right places

[@Baoran]

I ordered one of those 2x32GB CL16 kits to be used with new ryzen 5950X. Do you think I made a mistake? Main purpose was to have 64GB ram for future proofing the system and I am planning to use the system at least 7-8 years.

[@CurseOfDeath]

i did the same, could you run them at 3600 Mhz and above and what mobo you have ? I went with Assu rog strix x570-e and my DOCP failed 3 times so far i run them at 2666 im afraid to push it to not brick the board.

[@Baoran]

@@CurseOfDeath I have gigabyte aorus x570 extreme. You can run them at higher clock speed but you need to change timings. I can run them at 3600Mhz with T1 which is pretty good in my opinion. I might be able to do the same at 3800Mhz, but I am not sure if that gives much performance improvement.

[@CurseOfDeath]

@@Baoran Nice thanks.

[@panka1595]

ramdom video bottom text

[@ukspawn666]

i want to see buildzoid ramble while error testing 2tb or ram. Live stream yea? :D

[@michaelkister7575]

would you know it... got the same kit yesterday (only one of course^^)

[@matejvrabel]

Please do Nanya A-die RAM Overclocking

[@JayzBeerz]

sure send him some

[@arkama67]

Please try running linx or linpack on it

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

I did that of camera. At 4000 C18 with the CPU at 5Ghz it does 620Gflops on the 8GB workload size.

[@jwjwalsh]

Is there info anywhere about how the memory controller handles on different processors? Would some models handle this much ram better than others?

[@fleurdewin7958]

Its all about silicon lottery. From my experience, sometimes you get better memory controllers in an i5 than an i9 . So what you can do is pray hard to the God of Silicon to bless you with a good quality chip. That being said, K series Intel CPU are always better binned than non K series ones.

[@jwjwalsh]

@@fleurdewin7958 Dang. So a 3600x and a 3950x have equal chances to handle 128gb RAM well?

[@fleurdewin7958]

@@jwjwalsh That is a little different. You have 1 CCD on the 3600X , 2 CCD on the 3950X. Both also use the same I/O die since they are multi chip design. The memory controller is in that I/O die. However , i would say that single CCD has less load on the I/O die compare to double CCD. But with a single CCD, your memory write speed is capped around 30400MB/sec no matter how Godly your RAM is. It does not apply to 3900x and 3950x.That is how AMD 3000 series works. Anyways, its pointless to hit higher than 3800Mhz on the RAM on this platform. The 1 and only goal is to hit 3800Mhz and tighten the timings as much as you can. Which Samsung B die does best. Not these Micron chips which excels at very high frequency but dont get very good timings.

[@jwjwalsh]

@@fleurdewin7958 Thanks, that's very helpful!

[@joefowble]

Yay for some Intel memory overclocking. Seeing the AMD logo in the corner from the cooler fan threw me off it being z490 for a little bit.

[@FuncleChuck]

My laptop has less than 128gb of storage.

[@adrianojunior4902]

Last time I came this early my girlfriend was pissed.

[@rulik006]

If you are true hardcore overclocker, you are not allowed to have a girlfriend

[@dalfry]

Tech Jesus is probably cringing watching the AIO fan stack standing upside down. :-P Great video as usual though!

[@BusDriverGames]

Best motherboards for ryzen 5600x?

[@k1leon]

your mom

[@rulik006]

B550 velocita/extreme4/strix-e/crosshair viii

[@randomchars9619]

hard to say until all vendors revealed their upgraded boards on ryzen 3 launch in november

[@anhiirr]

currently 220$ is the x570 tomahawk, B550 strix-e/auros pro/gaming edge/master depending on budget. Then theres the b550 creator or etc from gigabyte if you care for that aesthetic or multiple pci 4.0 lanes or x8 x8 gpu. Which is quite niche in 2020. But yet offers a best case for that specific need....B550 itx pro ax, msi, strix. Are also good options, Id wait for an upgraded zen3 x570 or etc....bc they still offer duel slot nvme/raid potential via ITX....for those "needs" that would also be a best option.

[@DennisCorner]

Take a look at buildzoids x570 aorus master video or Wendells @ Level1Tech kzbin.info/www/bejne/fHiwcoJ7bsxnfZI if it's in your price range.