The OFFICIAL Smash Ultimate Cheater Tier List

everyone in smash bros cheats fellas im telling you now
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Chapters:
0:00 intro
1:01 Honest tier
2:46 Semi-Honest tier
4:11 Semi-Cheater tier
8:42 Cheater tier
12:22 Big Cheater tier
16:03 Blatant Cheater tier
20:48 Giga Cheater tier
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credits:
Void- • UP AIR IS BOWSER'S WOR...
Lightning- • Lightning, a SSBM fox ...
Nairo clips - • Sora Mains Be Like " F...
MrDanish ButterCookies- • How to do CRAZY combos...
Vernias - / 1477820749020807174
MODE- • Lucas True Combos - Sm...
Sillintor- • The BEST Link Bomb Sav...
Prodiyeet- • Smash Ultimate: Quick ...
T-dot - • Luigi's Zero-to-Death ...
Crimson Starfall- • Super Smash Bros Ultim...
Ghostly Gaming - • Video
【最強スマブラー】J!- • スマブラを引退すると決めた瞬間
WhyDo - • My FAVORITE Combo In S...
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music used:
Fogbeast Battle- Xenoblade Chronicles Future Connected OST
Menu 1 - Super Smash Bros Melee
Sophia’s Shop - Persona 5 Strikers
Sewers combined - Nickelodeon All Star Brawl
Snake Man Stage- Super Smash Bros Ultimate
Athletic Theme- Super Mario World - Smash Bros Ultimate
I’m a Spy (security Hall) - Sonic Adventure 2 Battle
Dark Pit - Kid Icarus Uprising
Ark - Persona 5
Final Boss - Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles
Yodeling in Meadow Hill - Smash Ult
Minor Circuit (Original) - Smash Bros Ult
War Cry - Smash Bros OST
Xenoblade Chronicles Medley - SSBU ost
Champion Battle Music - Pokemon Brilliant diamond and shining pearl
Outro: Persona 5 - Beneath the Mask
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and the cheater "series" continues! i made a video about this regarding cheater moves last year and it became my most popular vid of all time, so here i thought i'd make another one lol
this time it ranks individual characters in a tier list based on how hard they cheat- i think it's a good conclusion given no more dlc in smash anymore so perfect time to come out with it (even though sora released a few months ago at this point lmaoo)
#tcnick3 #smashbros #smashultimate

[@KingOfSkill]

I agree with this list, except for K. Rool, I definitely think he belongs in the Honest tier. It takes a great amount of skill and intellect to execute his moves perfectly, and if you lose to K. Rool, it means you got outplayed.

[@Pepsiburkham]

Absolutely, only salty people think k rool is dishonest. Probably cause their own cheater moves didnt work against him

[@PrettyKoolCrocodile]

Facts!

[@pierce3622]

Nice try. I saw the video with Hopcat.

[@EarthBound_Fan]

Says the krool main

[@Gloppa]

L + Plundered + No wenches + Marooned + You got scurvy

[@bitlasagna8966]

“What it means to be a cheater” while showing Dream footage lmfaoooo. Too clever!

[@thesandkingdom]

So tru

[@soulcyclone360]

Guys, its okay. He said it was an accident and he apologised. So clearly he should be free from all consequences. P.S. This is a joke don't flame me pls

[@thesandkingdom]

@@soulcyclone360 was about to say, thats some Dream Stan Behavior

[@YaGirlZero]

@@soulcyclone360 he cheated in a video game Speedrun, I'd say ban him but you can literally go by with just checking his footage more closely, I'm pretty sure he doesn't even speedrun anymore, he cheated in a video game, it's just a game

[@Otis_Worm]

@@thesandkingdom there should be more people on the internet expecting to see a Dream stan under comments related to Dream, than Dream stans lmfao

[@filmblox9845]

I like how everyone is discussing about how they forgot to mention moves but nick actually forgot my boy Mega Man, like he just forgot him as a whole.

[@itzgoldz2892]

FR

[@andrewellis712]

Bc mega man doesn’t cheat

[@Zello_]

No one talks about Mega Man around these parts homie

[@smasher8uhx932]

Well I guess his cheater move has to be either his lemons or metal blade. I main this artist (Rock)

[@temmie5764]

@@smasher8uhx932 nah bro his up air, kills when it has no means to if the opponent jumps at the wrong time

[@Galax_Sea_Gamer]

I really like how Nick called Isabelle "Villager's dog"😂

[@0yaSumi6908]

And Lucas "ness' brother"

[@everettwatsonrazorearcwolf6553]

And Marth being Lucina’s brother

[@Papyru23]

@@everettwatsonrazorearcwolf6553 lucina's alter ego identity theft

[@Papyru23]

as an isabelle main can confirm

[@Honestmairda]

Wait, is she not his dog ??

[@dougpouncey]

Steve is absolutely a giga-cheater character. They combo you twice max to get you to kill percent, block out characters, make people angry, and kill them for it

[@zekewatson2299]

All they do Is up tilt and its broke

[@themarioking7127]

Also his tool damage is a hella ratio to other tools. Hopes that gets fixed in the next installment like the previous DLC that became free.

[@mitrimind1027]

Literally the only character that has a command grab projectile too.

[@Quixium]

What about banjo

[@themarioking7127]

@@Quixium you bad at the game clearly

[@Arktic06]

As a lucario main, its nice to see him at the top of any tier list

[@overdrivegt5515]

Can confirm

[@justconquran2463]

nobody should ever tell him about smash 4 lucario lol, he would have a heart attack knowing he was heaver AND rage was much better

[@ethanlynch9644]

I knew from the moment this video started the Lucario would be at the top. And I’m proud of it.

[@TanoKaen]

@@justconquran2463 no shut up don’t tell him lmao

[@homemovelha4173]

Can confirm

[@TheNorfAndOnly]

I really do appreciate that you firmly draw the line between “annoying” and “dishonest.” I really respect that. Just because some characters aren’t fun to fight against doesn’t necessarily mean they’re unfair.

[@ExaltedUriel]

Surprised you didn't mention Ness being able to dangle yoyo off ledge as a ridiculous smash attack edgeguard. Now THAT'S a cheat move.

[@zeke3620]

Not really other people use moves that hit ledge as well the yoyo is also timed if you use sora you can out last it

[@ExaltedUriel]

@@zeke3620 No plenty of people have ledgeguards, no duh, but Ness' is literally a dangling lingering hitbox you can hold for like 5 full seconds. And of course Sora can beat it, he's Sora.

[@mugiwaraya8217]

Yoyo off ledge is stupid as hell

[@kalebgamez808]

Two reasons: one) there’s quite a few recoverys that can sneak their way past that, like Mario’s up-b. Two) Ness entire moveset is basically cheating so you can’t really narrow it down to anything in particular

[@R2bball]

Duck hunt cheats because he has to move the entire screen for his can. Why?!?! I need to see my character not his can

[@wonderful_whiscash9534]

You can still see your character tho, it makes the screen bigger is all, and he needs to see the can

[@R2bball]

@@wonderful_whiscash9534 we don’t need to move the whole screen for him to see it. You should know where it is.

[@may20th2000]

Fully agree hate that can moves the screen

[@wonderful_whiscash9534]

Duck hunt needs to be able to see the can to play

[@R2bball]

@@wonderful_whiscash9534 That's not my problem. He should know where it is. Don't ruin the entire screen over one projectile

[@MayBeSomething]

I guess Mega Man is so honest, Nick thought it wouldn't do his honesty justice putting him in the same tier as Duck Hunt. I mean, there is no way that Nock would forget to rank a character that cheats on a cheating tier list, so obviously Mega Man is honest. Don't worry, I'm not a Mega Man main, but I do like to play him in free-for-alls and other low-stakes battles.

[@yklutzthesmugster]

In my opinion, Mega Man should be in semi-cheater, cuz none of his moves really cheat, he's more annoying than busted.

[@donovanmahan2901]

His kit's weird but doesn't really cheat.

[@calebjensen9006]

As a Mega Man main I would not put him very high on this list. Actually he may be the very least “cheater” like. All of his projectiles are slow and easily over come by the top characters in the game (Space Trio, Mario’s, Kid Icerus Trio, Ect…). Also none of his moves kill early. Not even his spike kills early and sours very easily. His uppercut is the worst of its kind in the game with smallest and shortest hit box plus least knock back (compare it to Snake up tilt, Luigi up B, Ken and Ryu up B). I’d say Mega may be annoying to a degree but most of his projectiles are outclassed by some other character’s comparable counterpart. Additionally he has no real combos that are practical. Just saying, he isn’t even that annoying in comparison to the worst (zelda, villager, duck hunt, shiek, Little Mac, Ness, Steve…)

[@beastmode1754]

He just didn't care to put in megaman

[@PassTheMic2006]

@@calebjensen9006 This. All of this.

[@AquaticNebula]

I think you forgot to include the fact that Hero has the ability to kill you at zero with effectively any move, he can pull items like mega mushroom and invincibility, can turn into an invincible nuclear bomb at any point in the match, turn a third of the stage into a hitbox that can kill at like 20, can one shot shields fairly efficiently, move faster than any character in the game on occasion, has a frame 16 smash attack (flame slash), can put you to sleep immediately, and can recover from anywhere on screen. I’m saying you spawn at kill percent

[@lazyryan3766]

You forgot edgeguarding with magic burst

[@Hi_Ping]

There is also whack and thwack, where if you're unlucky you just instantly die.

[@liamtherobot9656]

Yeah he’s the biggest cheater ever

[@Starlitsoul0359]

Hero is the only character with whom you AND he spawn at kill percent. (Kamikazi) He genuinely is, the most cheater character in this game.

[@cheesymeatball174]

Not only is he rng: the character, but this rng serves the purpose of giving him as many cheater moves as possible. No wonder there's people who want him banned at tournaments.

[@heatherpederson3470]

Honest tier 1:19 sheik 1:03 duck hunt 2:14 toon link 2:04 Isabelle 1:32 fox 1:45 lucina Semi honest 3:00 Samus and dark samus 3:57 Simon and richter 2:46 greninja 3:16 meta knight 3:26 marth 3:38 corrin Semi cheater 4:34 ganondorf 7:26 zelda 6:36 mewtwo 5:43 Ridley 7:47 pit and dark pit 7:06 young link 6:08 palutena 4:57 sora 4:16 king dedede 5:14 bowser jr 8:16 falco 5:55 robin 7:16 sonic 5:32 villager 6:24 wolf 4:48 ike 6:55 yoshi Cheater 11:55 link 11:32 banjo & kazooie 9:36 inkling 10:33 piranha plant 11:10 byleth 10:53 olimar 8:58 ness 9:57 lucas 9:18 captain falcon 10:17 pacman Big cheater 13:44 zero suit samus 15:38 diddy kong 14:19 kirby 14:54 pichu 15:03 Roy 12:32 bowser 15:21 chrom 13:24 Mr game and watch 12:56 Mario 14:00 pikachu Blatant cheater 16:10 Dr mario 17:26 donkey kong 19:31 sephiroth 17:08 bayonetta 16:35 Rosalina and luma 16:56 cloud 17:48 snake 18:46 wii fit trainer 17:56 Pokémon trainer 18:12 pyra and mythra 19:04 Ryu 19:21 Ken 20:18 terry 19:55 king K rool 20:45 Giga cheater (characters go in order for this one so I’m not doing it)

[@shadtowa8986]

My king

[@charliecomer6001]

Given how many projectiles mega man has, I'm going to use nicks logic and put him in semi cheat

[@WillPowers570]

"I'm not cheating, I'm using the tools given to me to suceed" - Brent

[@Vogelflug]

The true cheater mechanic on Pit is the deceiving visual of his blade being 3 times as long as its hitbox.

[@OrigamiAhsoka]

😭

[@creepymasky]

Bro, 2 shields, aerials after side b, insane recovery, multiple jumps, insane uair hitbox, plus ridiculously short end lag

[@Vogelflug]

​@@creepymasky Sure I'll bite: -The second shield only covers to the side and is mostly outclassed by the normal shield outside of the reflector. I'm not saying it's bad to have, but it's perfectly adequate for taking up a move slot. -Side b can easily lock him in an incredibly long animation and is heavily unsafe on shield -What are you talking about, his up air is fine? It's certainly 10 times better than his nair -Yeah his recovery and end lag is pretty good, but that is supposed to make up for most of his other flaws, such as his low damage, low weight, bad hitbox on his neutral tool etc., which is why he is such a balanced character. I never said he was bad, I was just making a joke about his awful hitboxes. And cherrypicking good stuff about a character can literally be done with the entire cast.

[@odd435]

All I wanted was hitboxes that match animation. I feel like it’d make some kind of difference, or at least not give me an excuse when I miss with my moves lol

[@csg1lcolonel528]

@@creepymasky If aerials after side b, insane recovery, multiple jumps, and good uair hitboxes made a character a cheater, dedede would be at the top of the list

[@theonlysinisharm]

This is the only tier list I've ever seen where I actually watched the explanations, enjoyed it, and couldn't find a single thing to disagree with, bar none. You've actually convinced me that tier lists are worth making and reading for genuine consideration.

[@Ketsue]

So incineroar is one of the largest cheaters in the game, u agree with that, really?

[@DisbeBobby]

@@Ketsue absolutely and I'm a main so I know he's cheat

[@c4diggimatt965]

@@Ketsue incineroar can kill at 0 with up B. yes, he is a large cheater.

[@typecasto]

You agree with where he put mega man?

[@theonlysinisharm]

@@typecasto wait hold on where the fuck even is mega man lmao I legit can't see him on the final tier list I think I might be blind

[@RedTHedge]

As a K. Rool main, I'm saying he deserves his own tier for how dishonest he is.

[@ArenTenkerian710]

Armor on every move bro😭AND DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE DOWN SMASH

[@pikachuro1234]

If K. Rool gets his own tier than there would be a tier above for Lucario with how cheater he is. Honestly I made a stage in brawl to take advantage of his cheater mechanic

[@foxmask8032]

@@ArenTenkerian710 Still can't shield the ganonside of desperation.

[@novameowww]

also having a zoner that's a heavy was a very interesting idea

[@BlazingShadowSword]

How strange...a ninja, the most well known warriors that will stick a knife in your back because you didn't know and gave them a hug (or more for kunoichi (that means female ninja in red spot land)) Shiek is an honest character. It's got to be the Zelda influences.

[@OrigamiAhsoka]

And the guy just trying to build a house peacefully is a cheater 😔👊

[@uroy8371]

Yep, and she has a knife but I think never use it, maybe in her dash attack and up smash. Still very funny xD

[@watboys3144]

Imagine a “Killing with every character’s biggest cheater move” video lol.

[@NightFreeze9128]

We need this

[@gnacid]

Wish granted

[@rileypoynter2223]

You forgot to mention Aura Sphere, Lucario's Neutral Special that deals damage while he charges it. And you can shield to store said attack only to resume charging it. At max aura, basically his entire body becomes a multi-attack hitbox

[@shadowhunter9976]

Surprised you didn't mention Dedede's inhale when it comes to projectiles. It's like a slightly more manual reflector.

[@R2bball]

You didn’t talk about how PK freeze is the strongest neutral b for no reason!! It does not need to be that strong

[@illustrates3136]

Yeah it's ridiculous like you just become a bouncy ball in a trampoline park XD

[@Naggfruit]

Shulk

[@Naggfruit]

Also its super mediocre

[@marx_and_mags]

Meta Knight being able to kill you at 30 and putting him back on stage at the same time with his neutral b

[@schweppley1614]

Competive players never use it because it’s easy to avoid, even for ledge trapping because his down smash and his back air are so much better for that

[@omlett6482]

Hiding your moves as a Mii player is frowned upon to say the least. I agree that (at least) Brawler should be up there, but not for the reason Nick gave.

[@_Em.Pe_]

fuck mii fighters bruh me and all my homies hate mii fighters

[@therandomfish2298]

When I play Mii's I be friendly at the start of a match by crouching, move away from my opponent and show what moves I have set for the Mii so they know what they are up against. Seems more fair to me that way.

[@pintitledploose9484]

@@_Em.Pe_ it’s perfectly fine to hate on real characters, I don’t blame you for hating to fight against them

[@Bken96]

i don't know if i agree, but omlett you have your own opinion

[@dralinkushinen]

I agree to the Mii Brawler part. Have you seen how insane the Suplex is? It got armor, grabs, travels AND can be used in the air AND CAN SUICIDE KILL!!!! CPUs using such a Mii are the most annoying pieces of ssss, mostly because they keep getting away with it!

[@raincitypro2187]

I agree with all of this except for ness. His side be STUNS AND DOES A BIZZILION DMG, his up B is also INSANE and his edge guarding up smash is like WHAT!?!?! He deserves the highest tier of cheater.

[@tw1ststrpe216]

I’m a Lucario main and have been for a while. This… This brings a smile to my face.

[@adumbchicken8022]

Megaman's place on this tier list was the most correct of them all

[@caetanocapelezzo]

Indeed. He placed Megaman in the perfect spot.

[@FL10W]

Probably the best spot in any tier list

[@east9004]

Megaman Just beat the IgnoreMan and got the IgnoreBeam Thats how he get the Best spot in the universe

[@austinfletchermusic]

- Ignoring that Duck Hunt can comes out Frame ONE and nullifies so many combos - Ignoring Fox's DISGUSTING framedata-damage combo, ESPECIALLY his walls and vortexes - MISSING NESS YO-YO AT LEDGE?! AND MAGNET COMBOS?!?!?!? - Missing Bowser Up-B out of shield - too good to not cheat - Forget Ken's bonus moves and Terry's extra special - nobody else gets those! Mostly good list though! Also Incineroar being dishonest makes a LOT of sense considering he's a heel.

[@arredondojose963]

You forgot ridley side B. Across the stage killer.

[@crucible_dp]

Ken’s half-circle forward kick pretty much gives him sword range. Have you seen that hitbox???

[@Kyara7]

He also didn't mention Luigi cyclone

[@ohhi687itsme8]

He literally talked about duck hunt can

[@katsukthis9417]

12:05 I love that you choose to show a sillintor clip for the " link is a cheater" part ! 👍

[@pika1222]

Incineroar being a Giga cheater actually makes a lot sense given what it’s based on

[@theothernodude3139]

Crazy that Lucario’s final smash in Smash 4 was his power as if he was at 300% with crazy ass power to every attack.

[@MamaHickman121809]

I was a lucario main in smash 4 and it was fun... lol

[@ParkAir33]

3:06 "nothing that makes me raise an eyebrow" my guy when I get hit with full charge shot Im raising my whole desk

[@JacobPDeIiNoNi]

Yeah but does it really work in any unexpected way? It's really good, really annoying, and really easy to use, but it's such a basic projectile that it never really cheatw

[@semihozen238]

I think Sonic deserves a higher place job the list with the safest move in the game. His side-B is literally unpunishable when used with his up-B. Let’s just ignore the time he cancels side-B and attacks for real. If you shield, you won’t be able to punish if he jumps before the contact as you’ll basically be too slow. If you parry, you’ll need 8 frames to act, but will be out of you range at the 9th frame, and even if you can reach him, his up-B is frame 3, so he’ll get out of range AND punish you for trying to punish Sonic as the remaining spring will hurt you. And also most counters in the game don’t come out fast enough to catch Sonic. Now let’s check something different, Bayonetta’s Witch Time slows the foe, but Sonic doesn’t mind that as his up-B has invincibility on release. You’re simply too slow to punish Sonic. Sonic deserves a higher place in this tier list.

[@darkbladenexas]

Ridley's side B was also not considered for the instakill bullshit it can be. Unlike ganondorf, if you land it over a ledge, ridley can boot them about halfway down and has the aerial capabilities to get back up. And any match where you can walk to the edge, he drags them and yeets them to the kill zone before they can even fight back. I remember a random single stock stamina match a ganondorf set up on eldin bridge. Fight was over in four seconds. He didn't want a rematch.

[@zeke3620]

Bud He's not cheater he's annoying

[@zeke3620]

​@@darkbladenexasif you lose to Ridley with ganondorf you just suck

[@davidsayas5775]

@@zeke3620 He can be, and is both, not as cheater as others, definitely is. and Main comment even didn't mention he's neutral B auto attack that can lead to a back air kill

[@RuneYosh]

As a Yoshi main, my argument with the double jump super armor is that without it Yoshi could easily be cheesed during his recovery, and without an up B recovery, he doesn't have much else going for him.

[@c.j.cummings6894]

I love the fact that he just ignores MegaMan’s existence

[@CoolWeegee123]

TRUE

[@ness5110]

HE HAS DONE IT AGAIN

[@NightRaven5568]

Here I would rank for him mega man is a big cheater

[@thejoabear]

@@NightRaven5568 Mega man not existing makes him a cheater in itself.

[@c-domination]

Doing the Capcom.

[@infiltrate6807]

“Bowser lives things nobody else can!” Shulk with Shield Art: *no, I don’t think he can*

[@infiltrate6807]

@PixelHero he can, but he also lives things more than bowser

[@infiltrate6807]

@PixelHero like dealing 40% with one move and killing at 60 while being fairly fast?

[@vicenarian340]

@PixelHero Just watch a good Shulk in bracket. It isn't uncommon for a Shulk to survive a kill move at 190% because it's a multihit (like ZSS boost kick, or Cloud F-smash) and he has enough time to switch to shield art. Shulk is blatantly unfair.

[@temmieKAT]

Sheik out here doing 159% to my pichu and not killing tho

[@Joe-Joe-I-have-a-Cat]

Finally luigi isn't a lesser brothers but he kind of is at the same time

[@darkbladenexas]

ridley should definitely be higher, if you grab someone off a ledge and plummet, you can ensure the stock (At 0%) as most fighters lack the vertical jumps (especially if they already used it) while ridley has three jumps AND and solid up B, and if the arena is eldin bridge (Or any other map where you can walk to the edge) he can drag them over and yeet them at 0%

[@Gestersmek]

As a Shulk main, I'm genuinely surprised he didn't take first.

[@chiefhallawassa]

speaking of Shulk, do you know what the sound effect he (Nick) used at 27:30 is called?

[@Gestersmek]

@@chiefhallawassa It's the first note of the song “Clash of Gods” from Dragon Ball Super.

[@chiefhallawassa]

@@Gestersmek Thanks guy

[@cullenhutchison6528]

You forgot Dark Pit's side b, which can rob stocks out of nowhere and has (admittedly very inconsistent) super armor. But Pit and Dark Pit's biggest cheater move was one you didn't mention: orbitars. They are a free get-out-of-disadvantage free card, and since the Pits don't receive hitlag, they can sometimes punish you for hitting or breaking the orbitars. To be honest, I think these move Pit and Dark Pit up one more tier.

[@soulstararts]

I agree with you!!!

[@ihopeyouandicanbefriends]

as an occasional dark pit player I can confirm I spam tf out of orbitars lmaooo

[@cat-thing542]

as a pit main you're fucking right

[@cephalopods_are_cool]

Not to mention orbitars mild wind box which can cheese certain recoveries

[@hwanniggles187]

As an ex-Dark Pit main, Orbitars are not that good. If it retained the Sm4sh Orbitars where they dont shrink, then yes, he would be a cheater. The Orbitars shrink, leaving Pit/Dark Pit open for attack and also straight doesnt even protect his top or bottom

[@TheStalePretzel]

I feel the Mr. game and watch should be have his own tier above the rest. Be “breaks the rules” his Up B Isn’t super punishable, and is super quick. His down Air is maneuverable, and can be cancelled. Also down and up smash are super quick and hard to punish. To finish up, fair, neutral b, and back air are also broken.

[@dallinadams9422]

Pretty much all of Ganondorf's attacks are powers. His side aerial is brutal. Fast and sends characters flying

[@Leafresh]

As a Pit main, you could also mention being able to literally shield in midair with down b and dair being such a weak spike that if you do it onstage, it true combos into smash attacks over 100%

[@crucible_dp]

Not even 100%, down air to fsmash starts becoming true around 70%

[@blueluigi1630]

As a Luigi main Luigi has not only a gimp but also 3 invincible moves and a shield break with down tilt down tilt up b but also has a zero to death. Which is why he should be lower for cheater moves

[@christinef3792]

Ummmmm i only play brawl

[@ashen3950]

@@christinef3792 then why are you here

[@markachu_]

But down b is his shield…

[@ONLY_RR7]

Vernias has beaten Nick so much that Nick’s been traumatized into thinking Pit is a semi-cheater character

[@JacobPDeIiNoNi]

Pit definitely is though, arrow gimps, near infinite recovery, and the fact he can hard punish people for breaking the shields sees to that.

[@ONLY_RR7]

@@JacobPDeIiNoNi eh, any character who has hitboxes as tragic as Pit’s aerials cannot be a cheater imo

[@JacobPDeIiNoNi]

@@ONLY_RR7 pit definitely gets cheated by his terribly made aerials, but that doesn't mean he doesn't cheat in other ways.

[@ricocarpenter2189]

@@JacobPDeIiNoNi His recovery has no hitbox though so its ridiculously easy to edgeguard

[@hailghidorah2536]

@@JacobPDeIiNoNi Pit needs better aerials and more variety to his attacks to better represent his game, but I agree that the bow does need to be nerfed. I mean, in the games it mostly shot straight anyways, so I would make his arrows fly straight, so he will need to get up close to the opponent to edgeguard, leaving him more vulnerable, and the bow should take longer to charge and have less range, which fits Pit's general style more anyways.

[@Aerowarrier]

One of my favorite Smash moments was sitting inside a Plant’s poison gas and using it to switch to charizard and flare blitz for a kill. It was so funny

[@Real1176-]

Ah yes as a sonic main I can confirm that the annoyance in the speed plays a big role in his fighting. Having a fight against another sonic is the worst though

[@zombeef3074]

Seeing “book juice” when showing Robin got a genuine chuckle out of me

[@OrigamiAhsoka]

Same lmao

[@emeraldshine9273]

As one of the 7 Doc mains on earth, to answer why they would do that: He needs it.

[@lorenzopastorelli1114]

As another one of the 7, yeah Doc is worse than Mac in the air let him live

[@cortcort8043]

Doctor Mario is soo annoying

[@MrGameguyC]

Doc 3. Yeah, is it even cheating when you need to do it :D

[@iloveallrats5553]

Doc earns his cheater moves and kill confirms by being really nice and very cute

[@Im_stupid51]

I’m one of the doc mains

[@PenguinBoi27]

Why is this video so easy to rewatch. I have whatched this like 7 times and enjoyed it everytime

[@pikarma7003]

"Lucina is a fair and balanced character unlike her brother Marth" lmaooooo

[@FoldedBionis]

Well done nick, you put a clip of yoshi failing with his double jump armor, when talking about how good it was

[@thegiraffegang8315]

But he lived at 200% and barely got sent anywhere by GORDO

[@ausdrik2049]

Did you notice that he got sent nowhere by Dedede's Gordow while sitting at 200%?

[@laffytaffyking]

it’s called irony

[@FoldedBionis]

Bruh, you think it could be… a joke?

[@pandmanperson3111]

Umm you sure about that

[@Megaman8707]

Ness should be higher imo… up air is a kill move, forward air, back air, down air, all kill moves. He has a killing back throw which you mentioned, but hitting himself with pk thunder can kill at low percentage if he hits you. He has a yoyo that he can suspend off of the edge. To make recovery increasingly difficult. He can neutral air practically out of everything and that also kills

[@temmieKAT]

Love getting killed at 70 percent to a throw, so fun!

[@temmieKAT]

Also love trying to spike offstage and getting blue screened

[@Megaman8707]

@@temmieKAT EXACTLY 🤣🤣🤣

[@foolishkai1822]

@@temmieKAT who tf are you playing as where you die at 70 to a backthrow

[@marzipancutter8144]

I feel like everyone is still forgetting something. Yoyo is such a busted edgeguard that I see competitors exclusively training which moves beat it or go to ledge through it for multiple hours on end each weekly.

[@Bumpkin.mp3]

I liked how the ruler fit perfectly on Simons side smash

[@drakorocket6535]

I was waiting for Chroms Up-b. definitely a cheese move that you can just spam. I stopped using it for the most part, unless it's for a shy attempt at recovery because of how gross it feels

[@BlackCatCards]

Nick: “I think Samus is overall, pretty fine” Also Nick: when making George, the most busted character in Smash Ultimate, I think I’d give her Samus’ neutral B

[@Vernias]

7:57 The only thing that's honest is how nice my Pit is 😎

[@ojukwuojukwu3266]

I have the feeling that pit was ranked here because he lost to your pit too much 💀

[@leoperd3487]

Incineroar’s revenge can actually be really hard to get use out of at times due to the combo of still taking the damage from what you countered, being the slowest character in the game, and getting revenge taken away if you take 30% or get grabbed, so I think they should be a bit lower. They’re absolutely still in Giga Cheater, don’t get me wrong, but I don’t think they’re higher than Peach and Daisy

[@CanadianSpaceBoy]

Yoshi's op n-air going unnoticed got me there

[@A_Slice_Of_Weeg]

There is one problem with the ice climbers. Once you get them seperated, they are useless once off stage after that

[@Taktaagic]

At last, the most important Tier List in history has arrived

[@Cabinzguy]

I just realized Isabelle is in honest and I have to disagree

[@realo3503]

I would disagree I there is a tier list ranking spinda patterns all of them

[@confusedalex7355]

Nick: Kirbys down air is the most cheater aspect Me: Kirby Hammer

[@beastmode1754]

Tcnick3 : This is the official tier list Megaman : Why are we still here Just to suffer

[@jamesdistefano4986]

I'm surprised you didn't mention tough guy when talking about bowser. He gets out of rapid jabs unexpectedly and just ignores moves a surprising amount of the time

[@Zeg_VT]

Nick himself is on the Honest tier for making this high-effort video onto a single video instead of like a 4-parter like most would.

[@nkirmath8621]

You forgot to mention the biggest cheater thing ness has that personally makes me think he deserves to be a tier higher. The yoyo at ledge, you're not going to convince me that's not cheap as all hell.

[@axewlotl2677]

As a Yoshi main, I agree on his position as a semi-cheater on the list, having those gimmicks you mentioned. But he honestly could also be placed higher. Off-stage Egg Lay, juggle combos, and N-air can all be unfair in the right situations. …Especially N-air.

[@researchinbreeder]

As a Samus main, the fact that you put her in semi-honest despite Charge Shot being one of the strongest combo *starters* in the game is hilarious.

[@SSBHopes]

Why was Lucina Neutral-B the only Move that you call "out of the ordinary" while ignoring that stupid Up-B? I think even Chrom is more Honest then Lucina sure that Jab is busted but thats all he got. (Chrom Up-B can have "cheesy" interaction but at least he still dies to utilises it to be "cheesy")

[@CobaltPerseverance154]

And Lucina can just go off stage, counter half of the up specials in the game and get a free kill!

[@loekvandenbosch7745]

he doensn't have to die, you can also grab the large and spike your opponent.

[@Firefight_]

Well, Chroms up-b is just free 30 damage if you touch his shield on top of everything bad about Lucina.

[@dauw4564]

also Google's up B is insane ... get it ... im not funny

[@x8bitpixel]

*Chrome.*

[@khajogaming5753]

13:26 nick- hey editor what drives home the fact that rng is terrible for video games? Editor- You guys play Mario party with Vernias?

[@summonerdestroyer6965]

a piranha plant main has been the bane of my existence for 2 years and made me quit ult for rivals and p+ on 2 separate occasions in p+ he mains luigi and spams green missile and gets misfire like half the time help

[@JoshDoes]

0:19 this was the most perfect explanation of patience testing move. I got DESTROYED by a min min when she came out and I didn't know what she did and I got 3 stocked like 15x in a row. So I bought her and quickly realized ooohhh.. she can attacked twice..

[@unanimusgaming762]

20:43 TCNick3: You have questionable morals if you main any of these characters. Me: looks at Pyra. *chuckles* I'm in danger.

[@darkpit456]

“Where they can easily be converted to the Darkness” Ah, but you see there are already three Characters in that list who are Dark. Ganondorf, Dark Pit, and Wolf

[@enzoatayde2855]

I watched this while playing smash against a random lvl 9 nd a lot of the characters mentioned was coincidentally the same characters in the match at diff times as well (yes 1v1s)

[@Pierriberri]

23:43 Nice touch only having unlocked the Robin Rapid Jab achievement, seems like I wasn't the only one to struggle getting it.

[@dannygj]

as a mii brawler main I can confirm that all their moves were coded by an unpaid intern

[@CipherKnighto]

Also Pit’s fthrow just randomly being a kill throw. Creates a mixup if you plan to DI down throw out if that’s an option

[@AfroX-StayLegendary]

Literally the two first most honest characters are the ones I just started trying to learn in the past couple of days.

[@Scoundrel_Plays]

Me too, bought ulitimate 3 weeks ago. My main is fox, was my main years ago on melee too. he’s a very honest character and requires great discipline and skill to play good. When you fully understand his fall speed and agility as well as combo strings. He’s a a tough character. Just takes a lot of practice.

[@yonataneavri8298]

As a shulk main I can confirm neutral B is the closest thing smash has to opening a mod menu and turning on X-ray.

[@julianlamonica9450]

Him calling Lucina honest made me laugh out loud.

[@ZatralTMF]

That damn back air alone is semicheater, and it's just a better Marth. Math has tippers with terrible hitboxes meaning 90% sourspots. Much more honest if you ask me.

[@dasfaodfadsfanfklawe]

18:59 woah thats dante from smt 3 nocturne maniax pack

[@elinatzke-tt9em]

Completely fair rankings I heard your reasoning and thought “That actually happened to me too” (Whyyyy no mega man)

[@JugularJohn]

15:32 Man this clip gives me sad flashbacks man. The reason it’s so sad is that this is the game RIGHT after Prodigy won 3-0 against MkLeo. And not only getting cheesed by such a good lead, but losing the set makes me just super sad for prodigy.

[@Ecstasy404]

Please do more content like this! I really enjoyed this long form commentary video!

[@quebbapebba]

9:57 bro has NOT played mother 💀

[@Unused915]

Robin doesn’t cheat unless you are on boxing ring on opposite sides and robin starts spamming the thunder magic

[@synishter3728]

Shoutout to the man the myth the legend Sillintor 12:05 , most hype link in the world

[@arderefelis4309]

0:31 I like how he included that clip of Dream when talking about what it means to be a cheater. Dream disgusts me

[@temmieKAT]

I agree with you, he’s gross and not a good person.

[@MightyDucky96]

@@temmieKAT ...... boi

[@temmieKAT]

@@MightyDucky96 boi what

[@CatsAreAwesome146]

im very happy because when I saw this I knew he would place link there and I knew he would show that exact silinator combo

[@jaythepotato645]

12:04 I wait for Sillintor's appearance when Link is mentioned in any video xD

[@chevybush1010]

This is a really organized and interesting video my boy nick. I can tell you put a lot of time into this video. I love your content and hope u get 1 mil subs by 2023! Keep pumping videos and have a wonderful day. I also agree with this tier list

[@DiegoG2004]

14:54 That is so true. Pichu is always on a timer to die, so the plan while playing him is to end the match before that happens.

[@idogaming3532]

Palu's dash attack and bair are only partially invincible, the shield and the arm holding it, to be exact.

[@alccoderonscartch7909]

the "you know the one that can instant kill you" reminds me of when i defeated master hand with mr game and watch in smash ultimate game and watch classic mode i basically got lucky and pulled a number 9 on master hand

[@Unknownsaiyan3]

Hey Nick, I hope you're doing good man. Keep it up, it's awesome

[@mikeag5662]

Would love to see a list on who you think characters go ranked (competitively or casually). I think to would be nice!

[@asjueifjfnejsjdjfjdjsj]

i only have the basic characters plus a few others since i almost never try to unlock new ones so i basically only choose inkling lol, it was nice seeing it quite high on the cheater list. also i only started playing smash bros recently so i’m not that good at all

[@slugintub2836]

You forgot k. Rool's buff on dk stages, if gangplank galleon plays, the cheater aspect amplifies by 200%

[@dyingstar24]

"half the time, it doesn't even work" Bold words for someone standing on a gyroid mine while in fishing distance

[@Goggleman7]

I'm surprised you didn't mention Thwack and Wack can literally be "I win" buttons.

[@AquaticNebula]

If they don’t kill at zero it’s a misinput

[@lazyryan3766]

Magic burst at ledge

[@BiggestLoserOnThePlanet]

This video is so good I forgot you didn’t include megaman

[@The-PlantPlague]

Ok here me out, I’m a Piranha Plant main. Plant is more of a cheater than you should think! You can make Ptooie go further the closer the spike ball is to he face (AKA the further you charge). His Long Stem Strike (down special) has Super Armor while you charge it. If you try to attack from above he will annihilate you with up air, ptooie, and (occasionally) Long stem strike. His edge guarding is broken, he can ruin characters like KRool with Ptooie and if you time it right, you can back air beside him and KILL. Back air is slow but, does a good job at the damage game. If plant was faster, had less ending lag, and had better aerials, he would be much better than C Tier