The Only Brand To Ever Wreck Rolex & Omega...Is Now Dead.

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Ah, yes. Believe it or not there was a brand at one point in time that deserved a seat at or near the throne. This was a brand with a Finnish supermodel as their celebrity behind their chronograph, they had twisted lugs like Omega, the same BEZEL as the Speedmaster, and THE SAME MOVEMENT as the Daytona. They had designs that could fight against any brand, complications that made you say: "Oh, that's amazing!". And yet...they are gone. Lost to the sands of time. Each particle eroding them more and more until we were left with stories from our elders...and Hodinkee.
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[@diemes5463]

What a weird sponsor

[@robertwilliams1286]

Dude thought the same thing. Money is money but I don't see the alignment with brand

[@tylerbetthauser7647]

I'm sure they didn't want to take this one on either lol

[@blueriver4622]

Agreed unacceptable.

[@emiduy]

got to get the bag somehow

[@songoku-jx3cb]

Watch collector and gamers are both geeks 😂

[@MarketingGuy]

Why is no one talking about the botched audio from 10:50 until the end of the video? Audio and video clearly is not matching. Not even close.

[@MaxiGenferei]

For those interested with old vintage awesome watches here is a list to pay attention to: 1) Universal Geneve (Compax + Polerouter) 2) Lemania 3) Zénith Chronograph 4) Bovet 5) Ulysse Nardin 6) Omega Pie Pan 7) Heuer Autavia 8) Gruen Precison 110 (montre James Bond dans Dr No) 9) Girard Pérregaux Gyromatic 10) for cheap money you can also try to find the vintage Churchill LIP Watch (inspired tank and Reverso)

[@Horizontalvertigo]

The Lip was inspired *by* I think you meant. I just stumbled across the Lip brand myself and bought a (NOS) Polaris with the lightning bolts, haven't gotten it yet but am really excited.

[@popezosimusthethird269]

Any Lip will end up costly over time if you want to keep them running at all. Lip's movements were not built particularly well, nor were they really built to last. That is, WHEN they were actually built to specs as management and the workforce weren't clashing. It should be telling that Lip ended up building soviet-era russian movements under license because it's the only thing management considered economical enough and the workers found manageable to build on schedule. Lip is interesting, had some pretty unique models (the Stop Parking had its own countdown to tell you when your parking fee was about to expire) but keeping them in good shape now is not cheap and will only get worse as parts stockpiles for their less common and more sought after models run dry.

[@MaxiGenferei]

Lip was inspired by...exactly... and of course comparing to the other 9 Lip is shit, specially nowadays. It just became famous as it was offered to Churchill.. For people not willing to spend over 300-500$ for a little piece of history it is reasonable. Damn, I realized I forgot to mentioned the Tissot Seastar from the 50's

[@MaxiGenferei]

Forgot also old vintage IWC, but hard to find a good one, too many frankenwatches with this brand

[@Horizontalvertigo]

@@popezosimusthethird269 I picked one with an electro-mechanical movement, so even more fun to keep running. I'll enjoy it while it lasts, but if it ends up sitting in a watchbox in the future and not a runner, that's not too bad, I have a Accutron 214 Spaceview to enjoy instead and those are pretty bombproof.

[@TheoandHarris]

Hey everyone! So sorry about the audio delay going on here -- trying to figure it out now. The video is delayed for some and not others -- it looks like it's something I can confidently blame on KZbin and still sleep at night. EDIT: Christian says "the video is better if you close your eyes anyway"

[@SmurfPerfect]

Where's Anna?

[@lucaslung284]

I have never understood why UG never released a modern 38mm Polerouter. It would have sold like crazy

[@zman8340]

Same …. I’m waiting

[@CptnWinkee]

But what did you actually DO with Anna? Is she safe?

[@SmurfPerfect]

Michael is Anna 2.0. Christian upgraded the code and processing speed, set the aesthetics more to his preferences.

[@michellep2682]

People have asked for years and no answers. She is missed

[@CptnWinkee]

@@SmurfPerfect But Anna looks better in a bikini.

[@stevevuoso8411]

@@CptnWinkee Have you seen Michael in a bikini?

[@SmurfPerfect]

@@CptnWinkee Christian's tastes run more to Michael's silhouette.

[@antonyreyn]

Universal Geneve actually made the Bulova Moon watch (lunar pilot) worn by Dave Scott on the moon , as UG was a subsidiary of Bulova. So add that to their credentials , see the Worn and Wound article by Hung Doan

[@birkrum4630]

NOOO Raid got to them as well

[@Horizontalvertigo]

They're real KZbinrs now

[@fawaziabdulghani2334]

I can't believe RAID SHADOWLEGENDS has found it's way into the watch niche

[@TommyRibs]

Another great brand, that in theory kind of exists is Eterna. They made the ETA movements for everyone back in the day and had a great line of watches including the Kon Tiki and the Super Kon Tiki.

[@lonewolfemcquade8133]

I actually been eyeing a Eterna Porsche design "Top gun" style from the early 2000s.

[@alfredbiocheck]

@@lonewolfemcquade8133 Great Choice

[@MaxiGenferei]

True Eterna Matic before quartz crisis was also very nice. I think Ebel was also nice at that time

[@TheSnitzel96]

medico stands for Doctor, so i think the cronograph could be used to measure the heartbeat

[@MrClubgibson]

Maybe this is just me but I've reloaded the page, and turned my VPN on and off. When Christian tells the story about him reading The Prince in 7th grade, at 10:41 the audio and the video get out of sync...

[@nazerim]

RAID Shadow Legends and Luxury Watches? Really?

[@zetapingpong]

I was disappointed after all that buildup that the brand in question was not Invicta.

[@brownmcpherson5724]

When I went to work for my first boss, 45 years ago, he had aFerrari, a Lamborghini and wore a UG Chronograph.

[@RedwoodAggie]

UG is sitting on a gold mine. I think about this every few months and get upset that they don't do anything with it.

[@MaxiGenferei]

Let's raise a mutual crowd funding and restart this magical brand that's should never have been discontinued

[@gmatic8230]

RAID SHADOW LEGENDS? This ain’t it, chief!

[@colinsview]

Christian is wearing the new Rolex Celebration dial as a shirt!! 🎉

[@fungus_am0nguz644]

Tremendous brand, a brand that im very fond of, i remember buying vintage Universal chronos in the late 90s for less than 1k. I have owned so many models of this brand, compax, tri compax space compax, aero compax, flat pushers pump pushers, steel, gold, white shadows, I still got my evil nina from back in the days. One time i got offered a 24 hour split seconds for 9k (lol i still bang my head on that one). One of the brands that really got me into vintage watches. I love UG.

[@chriso5963]

Jean-Claude Biver is the one that could and should bring Universal Geneve back to life. If dreams could become true...

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

I own a lot of UG's that are beaten down and worn. Most of them were new old stock when I got them and I don't feel the least guilt in the world. Love them, my 2000's Okeanos nobody loves and 1960's Altesse and Shadows are really being used.

[@pamisavejr]

Amazing timeless watches! Great starting point for vintage, great value prop!

[@boatdetective]

You might mention that there is little or no hope of getting any spare parts for a vintage UG. The ownership experience sooner or later will involve sending it to your watchmaker for a two year vacation while he sends up smoke signals for some little piece of unobtanium.

[@NomadicPhoton]

Or makes the parts

[@osochara]

I enjoy every episode but I am constantly reminded by how the education system has let you both down lol. Never change, guys.

[@balesjo]

I'm surprised a wealthy collector hasn't come in and revived the brand and released the great watches they were releasing before.

[@OneManReviews]

I used to own a vintage Polerouer date with the micro-rotor (not the Genta's version) it was a beautiful watch in great condition. Still regret selling them. It would be great to see the brand revival.

[@VMIyanks04]

This was a prophetic episode! Breitling ended up buying UG and Omega has since came out with the white dial Speedy! They’re all watching you!!!

[@josips4281]

Not sure if it's YT thing but audio and video is off sync for me

[@fakenewsisthenews3542]

LOL, "that's why you work for me". Epic.

[@chrisbluma7942]

Universal Geneve had killer designs and I will never understand why they were allowed to die.

[@DevRel1]

Right after medici... The video is like 25 seconds out of sync with the video. Bravo.

[@duvidtv9544]

i tried to connect UG about selling the brand never got an answer from them

[@Amit_Patel.]

Make a video on Titan watch brand by TATA company. Although they just have Quartz watch, I would love to enjoy the Titan watch video on your channel.

[@Amit_Patel.]

No, they do have Automatic watches too.

[@ceal2656]

I have an Evil Clapton tri-comax (reverse colors than the Eric Clapton). It was my uncle, and I love it!!, I only need where to service it…. Great subject.

[@BGTenders]

I am… in fact… a raid shadow legends

[@JoeyJiggles]

Where is Anna? What’s the story?

[@theshadowman1398]

Get to the bloody point quicker.

[@dee-ker5867]

is it me or it is not sync with audio?

[@TheTubaEmporer]

Just bought a beautiful copper dial polerouter jet from the early 60’s. Stunning 🤩

[@Thehuntress404]

man that pic of her with that bundt strap at a 70's (?) formula one race, what a time to be alive

[@matthewb9935]

Universal Geneve is a phenomenal watch brand with unbelievable complex watchmaking prowess and breathtaking aesthetics, but in real life they are too small.

[@praveennair9501]

you missed out talking about the UG white shadow.

[@fakenewsisthenews3542]

As soon as Michael said, "The Nina"..... I said exactly the same thing as Christian at the same time. LOL. too funny

[@Paneristo]

So glad, Anna still exists!

[@seanmiller7187]

What's up with the audio sync?

[@m.e.p.r]

Who owns the rights to the brand now, does anybody know?

[@mrfake4900]

Hong kong based stelux group from what I've found on the internet seems to be the new owner.They are a distributor for Seiko and Grand Seiko in Hong kong ,Singapore , Macau,Malaysia and Brunei.

[@glencassiano2658]

What happened with Anna?

[@flyingphoenix113]

I was going to ask the same. Her on-camera synergy with Christian was fantastic. I loved the energy that she brought to T&H.

[@jw.2507]

She's been gone for a couple of years now...they never gave us an explanation. At least, not one that I can ever remember. She ain't ever coming back at this point, I wouldn't count on it. I like these two, but Anna was enjoyable As well, a shame!

[@WINDINGCROWNS]

She is a photographer for some music artists. She posts on IG behind the scenes pics. She seems to love what she does.

[@RedwoodAggie]

I believe she's involved in the music industry now.

[@SmurfPerfect]

Christian decided she wasn't hip enough.

[@ethansadventures]

“You may be curious what raid shadow legends is” No one cares and everyone knows this cringe game

[@susanhopkins6702]

something went seriously wrong with this video... the audio is functioning in another universe. i kept thinking it would be corrected, but no.....

[@RedwoodAggie]

Yes, you are correct. It was not synchronized with the video for me.

[@petrnovak8143]

I love Universal Geneve.😍 Their watches are simply beautiful. And the early chronographs are just breathtaking. Especially Aero-Compax. That's my grail watch.

[@friedpork_owl]

Maybe UG was just early with the mech/Asia move (like Sony with the psp/vita). I would rather be late than wrong. Cheers

[@josephzamorajr]

Did anyone ever win those giveaways 🤔

[@originalserpent1834]

No mate

[@JugoSatNaRuci]

Nope that’s what they all promise.

[@BowlinForWine]

I won

[@originalserpent1834]

@@BowlinForWine what you get?

[@saikiranmushkara8955]

What a shirt, Christian!! Can you please provide the link for the same? :D

[@300IQPUG]

my love letter to mikey, dear mr everything right with the watch world. thank you for blessing us again and carrying the person i will not name. but we all know how I feel about said person... please start your own channel, you dont need....him... we all love you, thank you for all you do

[@mistermikeyjay]

To say his name right, think "rockin" like Rockin Robin, bit instead of an R use a Y. (Like saying Yokkin'). If you look online for his fatal crash, you can see footage of her in the pits looking worried and the team members talking to her about the crash. You can tell she had an aura about her, now that you say she was a Model it makes sense now.

[@zubayermiajee6808]

Sir Jackie Stewart is still alive...

[@blueriver4622]

I love this channel, I’ve been watching for nearly 8 years. This is constructive advice, please advertise for better companies today was not your best work. I’ll never get those 60 seconds back, just awful really. Again, big fan. And patron of Theo and Harris both watches and Straps. Christian was class in person but today/ this video was not your best moment.

[@kdids]

4:15 - thats actually genius

[@chriselley2261]

You can get your white dial panda Speedmaster in a special Japanese-market only Marui automatic. Limited numbers, but beautiful.

[@med-3000]

These watches also remind me of 60s and 70s Heuer Carrera watches.

[@johnswick7108]

Take a drink everytime Harris says stunning. You’ll fall out before the video ends. Lol

[@rodrigoquinonez2615]

Medico Comes from Medicine not the Medici family.

[@rodrigoquinonez2615]

Pulsation watches were made for doctors to measure heart beats per minute.

[@heesub64]

build up was too long... fastforwarded

[@blaya58]

Is Christian balding? Around 15:30. Anyways now I have your attention - nice polo I need to know where its from.

[@plainfriedrice109]

Rowing Blazers

[@blaya58]

@@plainfriedrice109 thanks 🙏🏾

[@KL-ny1rl]

the audio is not synced with video LOL

[@chriso5963]

Nice conversation and topic.

[@thedondeluxe6941]

FIX THE SYNC!

[@gelmibson883]

Jepp it is sad. To bad nobody was willing to give that brand a fresh start and hpped the retro vintage hype They had so much great dials over the decades. Sad sad.. .

[@teakcore5261]

My favorite vintage brand! So much history… Boomers could have bought almost of them for next to nothing

[@michielroskam3877]

Its zenith?

[@davidthom7127]

I'd sell my soul for a pole router

[@timmyhexham9603]

I feel like I just got an horological lesson.. wonderful.. subscribed.

[@mcliffordjr]

No one watching this channel is playing those bullshit mobile games but I guess money is money....

[@aaronmauer7225]

Had to watch this again now that breitling bought UG

[@thegraciefighter102]

I think if you didn’t know who this brand was before it was revealed then you’re not a watch fan.

[@dangerosos3594]

La Niña, la Pinta, y Santa María!

[@zillsburyy1]

OMEGA has always been a rolex killer

[@1996Egr]

Is it just me or the audio is super delayed? I see them laughing and the laughter comes 45 seconds later ahahaha?

[@MaxiGenferei]

Oh and Nice trying to show horological knowledge but Medico is just meaning that the watch was used for Doctor to measure breathe. For example….

[@thomasstratford6227]

It’s always cute when these You tube watch geeks, refer watches as “stunning”, especially when their in the business selling them!

[@thomasstratford6227]

They’re*

[@jeffusrangerairborne9061]

Theo? The Shirt?????????????

[@HarrisLoops]

Is it just me or did the editing get done shoddily? It’s totally out of sync from about halfway in.

[@hmwatchs8]

Love universal Geneve

[@vrbanitas2021]

Patek story is just BS

[@martstam2016]

Universal rules, Favre Leuba was great

[@tajtahmeena8635]

Favre leuba was pretty good. They’re still a steal if you can find a clean one

[@POLO8072]

Lol raid shadow legends got even my favourite channel to put their ad, rip. Also, audio is defased

[@private464]

that GREEN one looked amazing! What model was that?

[@12WeMet1]

Boats and hoes Christian, I got you 😂

[@alexzorkin9470]

Looks like Mike was drunk on this one

[@addisonchandler6062]

What the heck happened to Anna? Reunion video coming? 🤔

[@simondaughtry4619]

who is the 70's porn star with the 'stache?

[@vianouche1]

Theo

[@WatchArchitect]

like your videos but these adverts are getting stupid.... at least pick a sponsor who we could even believe is of interest to you

[@dee-ker5867]

but congrats

[@TheRacerRich]

It makes me so sad to see these kids 10x my net worth while being basically illiterate.

[@avocadomann2373]

Dudes, what is going on with these sponsorships? Raid Shadow Legends? Really?

[@mooseriderrik]

And this is what we call a sell-out😢

[@gelmibson883]

Ma boi Raid Shadow Legends.

[@plizzle]

congrats for finding a shirt that looks like those disgusting multiflavored candy canes that no one ever liked in grade school.

[@shuycg]

Watch fam... Starts to sound like a dad thing.

[@beermansf9791]

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