The Only Killer Tier List That Matters - Dead by Daylight

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Scott Jund

Scott Jund

Жыл бұрын

Thank you to RoboticSausage for the footage!
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@kaiserstorm886
@kaiserstorm886 Жыл бұрын
Scott really should be a Dev, who else cares enough about the community to make such an important list
@jaimeeduardo5140
@jaimeeduardo5140 Жыл бұрын
Otz jaja
@jordannolan4008
@jordannolan4008 Жыл бұрын
Me
@kaiserstorm886
@kaiserstorm886 Жыл бұрын
@@jaimeeduardo5140 I haven't seen Otz with a killer nod list >:(
@jaimeeduardo5140
@jaimeeduardo5140 Жыл бұрын
@@kaiserstorm886 I'm sorry
@chadgunner4403
@chadgunner4403 Жыл бұрын
Just let Scott make the game. Is it really that hard?
@connorevans104
@connorevans104 Жыл бұрын
Happy to provide footage! The Killers were in the order of release, and I imagine the tier list creator ordered them that same way. The 18 minutes of Ghost Face B-Roll is because I tried to include all various states/stances of killers using their power, and ghost face has more variables for this than any other killer, he can be nodding, shaking, crouching, standing, leaning, in night shroud, or not in night shroud.
@alby_650
@alby_650 Жыл бұрын
Doing God's work
@AngelOfDisaster
@AngelOfDisaster Жыл бұрын
You made one mistake, Myers is after Nurse, not Huntress. lmao
@linkinparkfanthatsdumb2576
@linkinparkfanthatsdumb2576 Жыл бұрын
@@AngelOfDisaster Myers did come out right after nurse......you are wrong
@AngelOfDisaster
@AngelOfDisaster Жыл бұрын
@@linkinparkfanthatsdumb2576 That is literally what I just said.
@Lasmelan
@Lasmelan Жыл бұрын
Huntress originally came out between Doctor and Leatherface
@twistedjoke3510
@twistedjoke3510 Жыл бұрын
As a pyramid head main I understand and am deeply hurt by the fact that he cannot nod. So instead I just spin around in a circle in situations where I would normally nod It is sad
@cniarK
@cniarK Жыл бұрын
if you look closely, his left hand moves instead
@aPumpkn
@aPumpkn Жыл бұрын
I am too brother. It is a travesty. I spent so much time nodding and only after a few months realized they didn't see anything.
@KURRDA
@KURRDA Жыл бұрын
He can’t nod but he does offer a solid little hand wave instead
@SS_Tier
@SS_Tier Жыл бұрын
We have something better than nodding, We can draw emotes in front of the hooks.
@HeatVolt
@HeatVolt Жыл бұрын
I was wondering why survivors didn't seem to understand my nods, now I can see several scenarios when I must've seemed pretty toxic lol
@colin8923
@colin8923 Жыл бұрын
Love Pinhead's stagnant face when he nods powerfully.
@larryandfuzz10
@larryandfuzz10 Жыл бұрын
As a pinhead main, i love his nod
@butchersnake1
@butchersnake1 Жыл бұрын
this is the only time ive seen scott actually enjoy talking about this game
@Postoronniy
@Postoronniy Жыл бұрын
BHVR should limit either the range or the speed of the Nurse's nod. As it stands, she bottlenecks any possible improvements to the nodding mechanics, which might have benefited many killers with weaker nods.
@leadman7600
@leadman7600 Жыл бұрын
Demo is obviously the best he is too adorable
@LdSnake21
@LdSnake21 Жыл бұрын
My most favorite nods from killers are Demo and Dredge
@jonp1952
@jonp1952 Жыл бұрын
Demo and Hillbillly are my favorite nodders.
@Brootli
@Brootli Жыл бұрын
How dare you not acknowledge Artist's long neck for enhanced nodding range.
@thedoomslayer5863
@thedoomslayer5863 Жыл бұрын
Her long neck is also good for others things wink wink
@fallenempires364
@fallenempires364 Жыл бұрын
Fr Artist is A tier
@dadodadara4153
@dadodadara4153 Жыл бұрын
@@fallenempires364 only mistake in the video is not putting artist in A tier
@alexcervantes845
@alexcervantes845 Жыл бұрын
i see scott broke out the button up for this prestigious event
@thedoomslayer5863
@thedoomslayer5863 Жыл бұрын
It's the only killer awards that matter is best nod
@colin8923
@colin8923 Жыл бұрын
This greatly hurts us console players who can't nod quickly.
@Dabajaws
@Dabajaws Жыл бұрын
No matter how slowly we do it, i will keep trying
@ilcriminalo1470
@ilcriminalo1470 Жыл бұрын
MnK support is incorporated in the Unreal Engine. Why they won't enable it is still a mistery.
@crog9138
@crog9138 Жыл бұрын
@@ilcriminalo1470 Most people on console will be more comfortable on controller anyway but yeah it should be an option
@PIZZAloverNUMBERS
@PIZZAloverNUMBERS Жыл бұрын
We got da spins tho
@smallguy2
@smallguy2 Жыл бұрын
At least we can spin at insane speeds.
@Haptic_Sensation
@Haptic_Sensation Жыл бұрын
When the artist is charging her power, it looks like she's doing the rock hand symbol while headbanging
@taylordufilho5186
@taylordufilho5186 Жыл бұрын
Gotta love Scott, always bringing answers to the most important questions.
@Herbster0
@Herbster0 Жыл бұрын
I've been losing sleed thinking about this. So glad scott gave me the awnsers
@thedoomslayer5863
@thedoomslayer5863 Жыл бұрын
@@Herbster0 I also lose my sleed
@Fasumbra
@Fasumbra Жыл бұрын
I knew PH didn't nod much but I didn't know it was literally nothing. Now I know why the Meg I gave hatch to earlier was so scared, she couldn't see me nodding and gesturing towards it. Also, Sadako deserves a higher placement for nodding while flickering, it's so funny to me seeing this ghost girl headbanging while she blinks in and out of reality.
@LdSnake21
@LdSnake21 Жыл бұрын
Even though I know that PH doesn’t even nod, I still try to nod at survivors due to me being used to it
@KytoYT
@KytoYT Жыл бұрын
Gotta be the best tier list idea I've ever seen
@vladspellbinder
@vladspellbinder Жыл бұрын
12:22 So this is my first *hard* disagree with you Scott. Blight shouldn't be this high in C-Tier and is arguably worse than the base line Killers because of how little motion is involved in his nod overall. I'd argue that Blight should be D because it's barely even a nod and drop Executioner down to F for a _total lack_ of any nod. I had a bit of a problem with some of your other choices but nothing as strong as my disagreement on where Blight was placed. I'd swap Ghostface and Pig as well as swapping Doctor and Oni in the Bs. Really I'd want to put Pig higher up but she just doesn't quite cut it well enough to beat out Shape. For the Cs I'd swap Wraith and Nightmare. To me Wraith's nod is better than low C while Nightmare and Legion really don't have have much going for them. They are not D material for sure but really low C not mid C. Really it's a hard choice for me on if Wraith is slightly better than Trapper or not, it's a hard call because like you said all of the originals are pretty much the same but there's just something about a Wraith nodding while ringing their bell that tips it for me. Not enough to be above Hillbilly of course but _slightly_ better than Trapper. Now if Trapper could nod while setting a trap... . S-Tier wise I'd actually put Demo above Nurse, sure she gives it her all but it doesn't quite reach the charm Demo-puppy has for me and the fact Demo can still nod with their mouth open really tips it over. On with the video. I'd put Twins a bit higher: Leatherface > Huntress > Shape > Pig > Ghostface > Oni > Twins > Doctor, if only because Charlotte has a bit more motion than Doctor does. Agree with Trickster, just before Oni in my list so basically where you put him but the rest of my order is a little different. Also agree on Nemesis, but again my order differs from yours: Hillbilly > Wraith > Trapper > Clown > Legion > Nemesis > Legion > Freddy Cenobite is also an agree, including placement. The Artist has a bit of an exaggerated head movement that is fitting for her bird theme so she gets some more points for me for staying on theme. So agree on low B, between Trickster and Oni for me. Bit of a disagree on Onryo, I'd put her middle C not high C. Better than Clown but not as good as the originals. Eigh, I'll give you that Dredge is hard to place but for me there just isn't enough body movement for it to reach S-Tier and really I'd put it under Spirit. Top end of A for sure for not pushing it for me. Mastermind is more of a hard choice for me, I'd actually put him at the very top of B, above Leatherface. Maybe a bit controversial but I don't fall prey to the Bubba charm like some people do. Yeah there's just something about him that makes him loveable but I'm not going to let that blind me to the better nodder. So my listings would be: S-Tier: Demo > Nurse > Hag A-Tier: Spirit > Dredge > Deathslinger > Plague B-Tier: Mastermind > Leatherface > Huntress > Shape > Pig > Ghostface > Cenobite > Trickster > Artist > Oni > Twins > Doctor C-Tier: Hillbilly > Wraith > Trapper > Onryo > Clown > Nemesis > Legion > Freddy D-Tier: Blight F-Tier: Executioner Thanks for the video Scott! (Did you edit this Skrump? If so thanks. I wish more editors would just put a bit at the end on who edited what video... .)
@reiper
@reiper Жыл бұрын
I agree with your opinions overall but I do think that dredge deserves some better placement on the list, the way he bangs his head kinda like hag along with his long neck makes him a good nodder in my opinion, so I'd put him right before nurse
@vladspellbinder
@vladspellbinder Жыл бұрын
@@reiper Dredge is just hard to place because you have to be close to see it, at least for me. The smoke or shadow or whatever, the particle effects, does a lot to hide the motion from even a moderate distance away and that subtracts from the impact a nod has. Yes it's S-Tier up close when you can see it, easily S-Tier in fact but still bottom of it. That's also the reason I place Dredge below Spirit, because with Spirit you can see the nod from a good distance away while you can't really do that with dredge.
@reiper
@reiper Жыл бұрын
@@vladspellbinder that's a good point, I still think dredge does deserve at least bottom of S tier
@thedoomslayer5863
@thedoomslayer5863 Жыл бұрын
I love how there's a video that's 16 mins long about a nod animation then a comment the length of a doctoral thesis on the 16 minute video about killer nods
@springtrapxgoldenfreddy
@springtrapxgoldenfreddy Жыл бұрын
i did not expect this comment to be this long when i clicked the read more
@Xoilen
@Xoilen Жыл бұрын
Scott’s smile during this video is great, you wouldn’t think you’d see someone so happy making a nodding tierlist
@commodoremorgan
@commodoremorgan Жыл бұрын
I feel like Sadako's nod is greatly boosted in her other skin, the broken jaw has jiggle physics and its endlessly hilarious to see it swing around
@redeem5
@redeem5 Жыл бұрын
Victor's nod alone should make Twins A tier at least!
@Dr.Slaughter
@Dr.Slaughter Жыл бұрын
Wesker should be a bit higher. When he charges his tentacle and nodding it just looks amazing. Underrated af. And artist kinda has the same thing that Dredge has, just to a lesser degree. Brilliant tier list all together
@mizark3
@mizark3 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Scott! All these other content creators are worrying about silly things like holing killers or survivors, and how effective can Bubba facecamp. However you bring us the cream of the crop, the crème de la crème. You brought us the best tier list that no one asked for, but you knew we needed.
@ckpaige3956
@ckpaige3956 Жыл бұрын
He's the hero DBD deserves, but not the one it needs right now.
@ThatBeePerson
@ThatBeePerson Жыл бұрын
I think ghost and myers are just that little bit better because they're entirely black but with a white mask so it draws your eyes to the nod, paired with the expressions it really makes it that little bit more entertaining
@dirac_dydx1830
@dirac_dydx1830 Жыл бұрын
Intro: 00:00 Trapper: 00:54 Wraith: 01:37 Hillbilly: 01:56 Nurse: 02:26 Huntress: 03:04 Shape: 03:36 Hag: 04:06 Doctor: 04:38 Cannibal: 05:09 Nightmare: 05:47 Pig: 06:06 Clown: 06:39 Spirit: 06:58 Legion: 07:32 Plague: 07:45 Ghostface: 08:36 Demogorgon: 09:35 Oni: 10:26 Deathslinger: 11:00 Executioner: 11:35 Blight: 12:05 Twins: 12:27 Trickster: 12:57 Nemesis: 13:17 Cenobite: 13:41 Artist: 14:08 Onryo: 14:42 Dredge: 15:10 Mastermind: 14:47
@didijunior971
@didijunior971 Жыл бұрын
Personally, Sadako's nod makes me want to hug her lol
@noahleach7690
@noahleach7690 Жыл бұрын
personally, no one asked
@greenbrickbox3392
@greenbrickbox3392 Жыл бұрын
@@noahleach7690 personally, I asked
@thedoomslayer5863
@thedoomslayer5863 Жыл бұрын
She might win a feet tier list but she is outmatched in a nod tier list
@lolohnah
@lolohnah Жыл бұрын
Sadako gets bullied on every loop imaginable so honestly I think she needs a hug too
@nolanthedude
@nolanthedude Жыл бұрын
I see we’ve upgraded from 16 bit since the last upload
@Macaccino
@Macaccino Жыл бұрын
God what a shocker… nurse being s tier, she’s too op. 😒
@thedoomslayer5863
@thedoomslayer5863 Жыл бұрын
She's somehow S tier in every tier list
@AyoWow
@AyoWow Жыл бұрын
Finally, been waiting for this since the last update. Great tier list I'll work on a build today
@BecketTheHymnist
@BecketTheHymnist Жыл бұрын
This really helped me appreciate DBD more. Thanks for the on point content.
@TheDAKING549
@TheDAKING549 Жыл бұрын
Sorry Scott the only REAL tier list that matters is the killer with the best “slow turning to dumb survivor” list.
@Nazareth1221
@Nazareth1221 Жыл бұрын
Scott, fantastic tier list! One of the best, if not THE best. One fault that can only be put on yourself or John Connor (for he did not include this in the video). The Nemesis has a very enthusiastic Headbang during his scream after punching a survivor. Please, consider making adjustments to your tier list.
@4mplitude
@4mplitude Жыл бұрын
Scott we see eye to eye on a lot of things but none more than this video, love you man
@kwikdraw7332
@kwikdraw7332 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think Bubba deserves S-Tier for being Bubba. There's something about a very large man standing completely still and relaxed with a chainsaw just nodding, especially when he does the mini nod. He's also the most polarizing: it's super triggering if he nods while face-camping, but when he's playing Chest Defense and finally decides to give up the chest? It's even more adorable than normal
@runethekind4796
@runethekind4796 Жыл бұрын
The best tier list out there, thank you both for this.
@beefstrokinoff
@beefstrokinoff Жыл бұрын
This is why Scott is one of the best content creators in Dead by Daylight/youtube in general.
@Las3Ms_
@Las3Ms_ Жыл бұрын
Damn AZHYMOVS, Scott beat you to it!
@reiper
@reiper Жыл бұрын
i remember scott talking about making this tier list in stream but he said he wouldnt take the time to record every nod animation, im so glad someone did it for him cause the second he talked about such tier list it made me realize i've always wanted to see it without even knowing it
@MrCombustix
@MrCombustix Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the helpful info Scott! I'll be sure to play lots of Nurse in the future as she must be very fun to go against based on this tierlist :)
@nicolaslugo9357
@nicolaslugo9357 Жыл бұрын
It was so nice of otz to get this footage for you
@lordchipo
@lordchipo Жыл бұрын
This is an amazing and comprehensive list of the killers and their abilities
@Nullzero98
@Nullzero98 Жыл бұрын
This whole video is just a Chad move… it’s like Survivor Scott threw a Pebble directly at Killer Scott’s face to get away, Killer Scott respected the bold Pebble, slowly turned away, but when Killer Scott turned back, Survivor Scott just walked closer.
@marcij6622
@marcij6622 Жыл бұрын
The Nurse's headbanging is probably for increased readability of her blink direction
@serioustable8659
@serioustable8659 Жыл бұрын
Myers/Ghostface nodding at you from around a corner while stalking makes them s tier
@themr_wilson
@themr_wilson Жыл бұрын
Freddy gets extra points for the hat, snapping his head like a Smooth Criminal
@BlueDragon1504
@BlueDragon1504 Жыл бұрын
Appreciate the in-depth analysis
@nevadajuice836
@nevadajuice836 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the teir list looks like I'm going to be playing more Hag!
@sakuyaizayoi8946
@sakuyaizayoi8946 Жыл бұрын
death slingers nod feels like a formal handshake like "well done partner im leaving you to your wounds."
@struanmackirdy9594
@struanmackirdy9594 Жыл бұрын
The best tier list is actually the quotes on killer addons
@marccannon1711
@marccannon1711 Жыл бұрын
The tier list I didn't know I needed, and glad to have gotten
@merod4331
@merod4331 Жыл бұрын
Bro I’ve been thinking about a nodding tier list for years, so happy you made this a reality
@barteklis6193
@barteklis6193 Жыл бұрын
I was about to go to sleep but here I am watching a tier list about killer nodding.
@Basteal
@Basteal Жыл бұрын
This is the first time I've been interested in a tier list.
@NameIsDoc
@NameIsDoc Жыл бұрын
Demo not only has two nods but if you spam the create portal button you also have a teabag.
@alt1763
@alt1763 Жыл бұрын
Based on my UE4 knowledge, the killers/survivors probably don't actually use an "animation" but instead just rotate the specific bone in the armature, the difference in nods probably comes from the bone order in the model's armature(skeleton), the bone the devs selected, the "weight" of the bone on different parts of the model(weight being how much a part of the model changes when the specific bone is moved) and other properties like the use of the cloth engine for hair(need to confirm if dbd uses that last one)
@loughtthenot
@loughtthenot Жыл бұрын
9:15 this is a travesty! A BLUNDER! Ghostface nods while leaning is some of the most hilarious shit ever
@dogazlakii
@dogazlakii Жыл бұрын
Honestly, now I am kinda curious about a full tier list of how funny each killer is in your opinion! :D Because while I think that nodding is cool I wish to know what you think of the full meme potential of each killer:) Anyways, very funny video!
@Smokin_Choochang
@Smokin_Choochang Жыл бұрын
Me: hops on excited for true insight on killer strength after two month break Scott:
@Lsttar
@Lsttar Жыл бұрын
Counter argument to Blight: I think the fact that he somehow ONLY moves his head makes his animation slightly funnier. It's like he has a separate spine for head movement
@industrialrm
@industrialrm Жыл бұрын
Finally someone answering the important questions! Mad Grit spam tier list someday? I think Pyramid Head is a real contender the way those bodies flail when he swings...
@Degarne
@Degarne Жыл бұрын
Finally, a thorough tier list of all killers that hits every point in under 3 hours!
@jacksonmallia-walker8687
@jacksonmallia-walker8687 Жыл бұрын
Legend has it that if you listen closly while nodding as clown you can hear his ass clap
@tscgaming847
@tscgaming847 Жыл бұрын
I love Scott not realising the order of both the video and the tier list being the order of killers releases... Lol
@pimpsterpidgeon4502
@pimpsterpidgeon4502 Жыл бұрын
There is just something that hits different when a Billy looks up at you from a floor below you that just makes it so adorable and funny.
@PIZZAloverNUMBERS
@PIZZAloverNUMBERS Жыл бұрын
Unjust C tier for Billy he's amazing with chainsaw out
@frederikw4028
@frederikw4028 Жыл бұрын
This really makes me wanna play DBD again. Thank you Scott.
@peterpansie5
@peterpansie5 Жыл бұрын
The tier list is somewhat accurate to actual tier lists that’s kinda funny
@kfdan42
@kfdan42 Жыл бұрын
This was indeed the ultimate tier list, I feel like playing some of them just to run around nodding like a maniac.
@SGEnjoyer
@SGEnjoyer Жыл бұрын
"he gets bonus points just for being Bubba" while Bubba's about to chainsaw someone in the background I dig it
@metalbilly5121
@metalbilly5121 Жыл бұрын
Wesker is the most hilarious one when he throws someone looks at someone else and just starts fuckin nodding
@ItsMeThatGamer
@ItsMeThatGamer Жыл бұрын
Finally the tier list I've been waiting for
@TrueCarthaginian
@TrueCarthaginian Жыл бұрын
Nemesis nodding after a punch when he's flexing is hilarious. Raises it to A tier minimum I think.
@tootall2fall908
@tootall2fall908 Жыл бұрын
Please keep making meme killer tier lists, S Tier content
@katze9834
@katze9834 Жыл бұрын
Going into this tier list I’m expecting Pyramid head on bottom and Dredge in top
@irontarkus6515
@irontarkus6515 Жыл бұрын
Nice list *sniff*. So whens the next killer concept video?
@piralos1329
@piralos1329 Жыл бұрын
I will say, whilst Legion's nod is bad if you look at it separate from everything else, when it's within the context of the game the nod works really well, for a critical reason: The chase music. With that music in effect, the nod goes from a basic, generic killer nod to an incredible incentive to headbang with everyone's favourite game extender.
@foxiki387
@foxiki387 Жыл бұрын
This should be considered when reviewing killer concepts as well
@libraryofthegrove
@libraryofthegrove Жыл бұрын
Wesker's goofy-ass smirk makes the nod pretty great too
@EleanorH216
@EleanorH216 Жыл бұрын
i love how scott couldnt resist but nod along with some of the killers as he was watching it ahahah
@thegladiator6449
@thegladiator6449 Жыл бұрын
SCOTT desperately needs a tier list of menu music themes!!
@Zaynnuh
@Zaynnuh Жыл бұрын
The video I didn't know I wanted but needed.
@heybro4000
@heybro4000 Жыл бұрын
13:30 idk, watching that tiny, shiny head bounce on that massive body is hilarious
@wowie1107
@wowie1107 Жыл бұрын
phenomenal video. thank you for your important contributions to the DbD community!
@demegorgon3
@demegorgon3 Жыл бұрын
The video I didn’t know I needed🥹 Hag’s nod will forever be hilarious
@krypto8881
@krypto8881 Жыл бұрын
I waited my whole life for this
@Vulgun
@Vulgun Жыл бұрын
My man's has never been nodded at by a facecamping Bubba.
@Emmetlovesredvelvet13
@Emmetlovesredvelvet13 Жыл бұрын
This tier list was a nice change to serious vids 😁
@Cappichow
@Cappichow Жыл бұрын
16 minutes of nodding?! That’s my Scott Jund
@jacobtelford3484
@jacobtelford3484 Жыл бұрын
We need an updated version of this - it's missing some crucial head nods When certain killer are walking (like Wesker) their body posture changes, and nodding while walking forwards and backwards have very different qualities on this extra tier list section. Additionally, some killers who charge their power will change their body posture (Dredge) during the charge of the power, and when they lean over their nod gains certain properties that I personally enjoy. (Hell I even charge my power as Dredge if I want to look down at a survivor, because then I'm leaning over as if I'm asking "You okay buddy?" then walk away if they shake no) Then there are killers like Sadako that don't change body posture at all and deserve C tier.
@jmrfriend3300
@jmrfriend3300 Жыл бұрын
Myers is funny cause we see Myers in movies being a killing machine and then in this video game hes just nodding
@garrettlauderbaugh312
@garrettlauderbaugh312 Жыл бұрын
You were right, I didn’t realize how important this was until now
@haydenglendenning4305
@haydenglendenning4305 Жыл бұрын
I can't believe I watched all this 10/10 content aha keep it rolling Jundy boii
@Tu_Padre.
@Tu_Padre. Жыл бұрын
Pyramid Head’s left hand actually tilts a bit and scratches his ass when you nod.
@MegaPagliacci
@MegaPagliacci Жыл бұрын
Perhaps there is a new tier list in the future. A killer looking towards you in the menu animation while you wait for the game.
@B.He-K.
@B.He-K. Жыл бұрын
Now this is the quality content im subscribed for.
@anunusualstoutshako728
@anunusualstoutshako728 Жыл бұрын
id say a big reason why myers has such a good nod is how static everything about him is, his entire body barely moves while he's whipping his head around like a goddamn bobblehead
@exotic_burrito_
@exotic_burrito_ Жыл бұрын
spinning killer tier list when
@justincruz8050
@justincruz8050 Жыл бұрын
Scott Jund have friends challenge
@afkclown7457
@afkclown7457 Жыл бұрын
Hags nod looks like a dancer right off the set of thriller
@Lostnavigators1
@Lostnavigators1 Жыл бұрын
The fact that Pig can grunt while nodding pushes her into A tier imo
@toddb6605
@toddb6605 Жыл бұрын
The nodding video should be in the tutorial, like a training video for work.
@azza2k029
@azza2k029 Жыл бұрын
Watching this on my 15 minute break. Perfection
@nathaniel6546
@nathaniel6546 Жыл бұрын
When is the pickup animation tierlist coming out?
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