The Only Problem with Wuthering Waves Story

[@LufasuYT]

I wouldn't be surprised if Carlotta is actually Rover's older brother's younger cousin's father's neighbour from 3 bajilion years ago

[@Zip_bomb]

Bro wuwa story is just that one moment in school when someone you never meet/talk to before and they somehow know your name 💀

[@silverhawkscape2677]

Honestly. I like this story better. Nearly every female is connected to us in come way. As the Lord Arbiter and Dragon Emperor. CN approves.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

What part of "The Beta was Poorly received and Kuro did a hard turn" Do you not Understand. Patch 2.0 will be a soft reboot for them. They already got a Harem Audience now. They either Cater to that or suffer like GFL2. Which never finacially recovered.

[@MoonLight-mf1fe]

Every female being connected to rover has got to be the single worst thing kuro did

[@MoonLight-mf1fe]

@@silverhawkscape2677 "they already got a harem audience now" yeah, the same people asking for more males or the same people complaining about characters always being attracted to rover. Speak for yourself sir.

[@narusas1222]

I think Yinlin story quest did a good job of showing her first trying to manipulate Rover before slowly warming up to them after they showed their sincerity.

[@AndrewSnake]

that was a good quest, i was susrpsie she din try to seduce us and for most part get away from her plan

[@Balbaneth]

No it was a bad quest. Just another Rover loving character that has no life outside of Rover. No friends. Nothing. God Chixia could have been the easiest comrade

[@AndrewSnake]

@@Balbaneth a... you kinda butt in her operation and get intagler in her plans, she stil put a act of dislike you ...and this is a gacha still, but again everyone is after rover ass....

[@Ordinary-Hunter]

Bro yinlin story is the worst among the Harem story quests, rover really had no reason to follow her but because the "plot" demand it for some reason rover "had" to help yinlin who try to frames rover like I've literally had no idea why rover would trust her multiple times after literally lie and deceiving them 2 times in a row. There's literally no motivation for Rover (ME) to help and listen to her prior and after her quest unlike with Shore Keeper or Cameliya cuz at least rover had reason for them. I hope in these types of quest there are options to literally said "NO" or refuse to help them, making players choice matter.

[@CHIPSSALTY]

​@@Ordinary-HunterYou can skip the quest. Just no rewards LMAO.

[@KarmaKun-t4w]

I agree with your opinion .The story shouldn't center itself around romance or hinge on the idea that every character is deeply connected to the Rover. Characters need to feel like they exist beyond their relationship with the protagonist, with their own conflicts, motives, and dynamics with one another. Not everyone should be warm and trusting toward the Rover right away. It’s far more interesting when some are skeptical, hostile, or even see the Rover as someone to manipulate rather than ally with. Romance, if included, should feel justified and never forced. A good example of this is how Shorekeeper's story was handled. In terms of romance-it felt natural and unforced, allowing the relationship to develop organically and it never seemed forced. Similarly, Camellya's story balanced its portrayal of relationships by showing the bond between characters feel deeper and more complex than a simple romance, leaving room for interpretation: is it romantic, or something beyond? For Rinascita, I hope characters like Carlotta and Zani are given the room to shine on their own terms. They shouldn’t just serve as romantic props or be reduced to shallow portrayals because of a potential romance. Their depth, personality, and individuality deserve to be front and center. Romance can enhance a story, but not at the cost of undermining the complexity of such thoughtfully designed characters.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

Wrong. If what I heard from Gacha gaming Reddit is right. Since Covid CN players dont want the stress of earning a female trust. Now they want her affection No string attached and no hassle. So You have to sit Down Western Girl. Since they increased the Girls Breast sizes since Beta. They know there audience and what they want. You want a game where the world exist without The MC? Go back to Genshin then.b

[@Courtzz_e]

⁠​⁠@@silverhawkscape2677ur an incel shi go clean ur room. Why can’t u go outside?? Also chixa chest side got a reduction and it isn’t all abt Cn they wanna grow in all spaces. Ur tryna ruin the game bcz ur d can’t get no psy weirdo and u had no actual rebuttal or counter claim u sound lit so slow

[@bluepenguin3081]

I wanted to write something similar but you said EXACTLY everything i felt. This comment should be on the top! Wuthering Waves is a fun game, I play it everyday and the plot is decent enough but i disliked how the story would sometimes lean towards romance, some people like it and that's completely fine but personally I'm not. And as someone who plays as the female rover, it feels weird to me when the female characters are overly chummy with a FEMALE protagonist. Just my opinions, there are people who like this element and that's okay.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

@bluepenguin3081 Good News. You can now freely change your female Protagonist to male and vice versa in 2.0 So if your Bigotry or Bi discrimination is showing you can easily fix that. (To be fair. I'm happy for this feature because now I can have female Rover and Calcaro."

[@bravo6going702]

@@silverhawkscape2677 no way?! finally.

[@MonasHusband]

I was waiting for someone to talk abt this, it's so annoying. I get the shorekeeper but almost all of the girls are so obsessed

[@mites7]

Yep the shorekeeper one is totally fine but the others are little bit too nice Even camellya I can sort of forgive, since she's basically the rover's apprentice. But I agree with the youtuber that back-to-back was a bad call. We can only blame the CN audience's feedback tbh They were the ones who didn't like how distrustful the main huanglong cast were of rover, until he/she proves they were a hero by saving them from ovathrax at the end of 1.0

[@KarmaKun-t4w]

Only Baizhi can beat the allegation at this point bruh!

[@himekosbrokensword]

@@mites7 all bcs of those freaks smh

[@anapple6912]

@@mites7 couldnt we put some of the blame on how kuro handled the story and not all on cn? kuro could have made the story a little better, adding some elements of old and the new story together. feels like they were walking on eggshells

[@mites7]

@ oh yes Ultimately the onus is on them for listening the loud minority

[@peckneck2439]

character introductions in wuwa be like: "Rover... it's been over 5000 years..." she says as she gets on her knees in front of rover and unzips his pants

[@ashiqprio2485]

Then she says "we need the seeds of the god to fight against evil"

[@Gheniel_]

The amount of misinterpretation people make about wuwa story makes me feel bad for the devs.

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

​@@Gheniel_ It's an exaggeration obviously but it's how it feels when every character has to be affectionate or best buds with Rover.

[@Gheniel_]

@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks even without the exxageration there is still alot of misinterpretation made by people. its more like "it gives me this vibe" than "the game tells me it is like that"

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

@@Gheniel_ Maybe, that's gonna happen but that's life, often it's not what you say that will matter, it's how you say it.. aka basically, the vibes.

[@nicksm2976]

I can understand what you're talking about with Shorekeeper and Camellya, but Changli? Rover was a friend/Weiqi buddy of Xuanmiao (Changli's master) and also Xuanmiao's master, since Rover taught him how to use a sword (Changli mentions this in her Thoughts 4 voiceline). As Xuanmiao was mentoring Changli he talked about how Rover is the only one who can truly bring long lasting peace to the world and he told Changli to guide the Rover and help them out whenever they eventually meet. So Changli basically just admires the Rover as a childhood hero and all of her childhood trauma that we learn about in her companion quest has nothing to do with the Rover (Rover literally says: "But I was not really there for you, not in the real past."), so I don't understand why that somehow makes Encore not a 1-dimensional character but not Changli even though it's the same thing.

[@KraNisOG]

Not a lot of people read the paragraphs of lore or listen to the voice lines of characters. They go a massice way of showcasing the personalities and lives of the people. People tend to see what's right in front of them and then assume without looking deeper or for evidence. Honestly smart on Kuro's part because most people will sit down and go "Gather wives!" and be content, but lore fiends will sit down and be like "Ah, so Rover is essentially married to The Shorekeeper because he is time and she is space, and because of X and Y and Z." There is a lot of lore to keep those who love it happy, but just enough tease in the main story to keep the degenerative side of an audience content and happy.

[@nicksm2976]

@@KraNisOG Changli's voiceline just mentions that Rover was the one who taught her master the sword techniques that he would later teach Changli, it is not at all required information to understand Changli's personality or story or anything, it's just a fun fact.

[@Zephyrion22]

The main problem is usually in the presentation, more than in the writing. I more or less disliked/felt awkwardness towards the way Changli and Shorekeeper acted in the story, but also conversely really like what I see from their voicelines and stuff. I know it's mainly due to being able to put so many things to not make the story beats bloated, but it's still a bit jarring. Like, for example, Shorekeeper loves Rover, but many of her voicelines also show her selflessness and her general love for the Black Shores, and not just Rover. Then the story beats have her more or less immediately shows her affection and remind Rover of his role and responbilities, when Rover chose to erase his memories. Sure story gotta move on, but it feels tone-deaf for someone so caring, who would most likely beat around the bush a lil bit around that kind of subject, and also show how she looks after *everyone* while still making Rover deat to her heart. But maybe that's just me.

[@jaer-un9ww]

personally i don't have any problem with the story as long as they keep focusing on rover and not making him useless . but your opinion is very much respected, hopefully they listen in future and make some stories that doesn't revolve only about rover and explore relationships between other characters.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

Simple Solution. Maker Rover the Hroic Harem Protagonist.

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

It doesn't have to be extremes. But this is up to everyone's personal taste. Most people don't like the WuWa approach because it's too much focused on Rover but there are always gonna be a niche audience that this style fits with. Personally I believe ZZZ, HSR and Reverse 1999 are striking a good balance with how their MC are portrayed within the story and how it fits with the world building. I won't say WuWa is that bad but it's definitely not what I'd consider good right now.

[@jaer-un9ww]

@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks and how did you know that most people don't like it? where did you get that information from?

[@anapple6912]

@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks hsr too? nah devs are confused whether to make trailblazer his own established character (dancing with firefly, has an unhealthy obsession with trash cans, dialogue options not reflecting what you want to choose or the option you chose and doesnt align with their canon personality, which can be kindness or naiveness child-like and empathy behavior so it feels weird with the cutscenes) or an empty shell for self-insert with the fanservice they keep displaying. joker from persona 5 does it better, also a reason why i prefer traveler more than trailblazer

[@sumi4218]

Another kuro bot thinking the useless harem theme is fine and thinking that everyone likes them. This game is literally advertised as mixed gacha game yet these gooners can't comprehend it

[@bravo6going702]

"The Only Problem with Wuthering Waves Story"- theres actually tons of problems with wuthering waves story that as a veteran anime watcher/LN reader/manga reader, etc i find. For starters, the beginning of the story was the worst shit i been through in my gacha gaming career, i wouldve literally quit if skip didnt exist. Rovers harem is a problem but not a big one, its more like a growing tumor. (u already understand what im trying to say by this). But there are other problems as well, such as bad story telling, lack of interactivity, weak foundation. Also the complete opposite of Hoyos problem; focus on MC, in hoyo games the lack of attention towards MC is genuinely bonkers, but the attention to mc in wuwa is a bit too much(they did improve quite a bit with the latest quests further exploring other characters). Another key problem is the shitty script, it feels so outdated and underwhelming that even some good stories feel mid cause of it(some scripts are very good in this game but most of them are pretty mid or even bad). lack of cinematics is also a major problem of pretty much every gacha game with wuwa having more cinematics being better and more consistent than most others, but it still doesnt make up for the niche story and weak foundation. Dont get me wrong the story has potential, are they trying to reach that potential? yes they are, but the bad start really leaves a terrible aftertaste for everyone and the camera angles in certain conversations and cinematic could use some work, since they ruin the atmosphere. And the most important issue with wuwas story; the lack of depth. There isnt enough mystery and confusion within the story to make it more immersive for players, even if there is potential for deep lore they sometimes ruin it due to the casual and normal atmosphere that the music and areas provide (however they did try to add alot of depth with the new quest, especially the eerie atmosphere within the zone(i forgot its name), but some parts of it ruined the mystery and ominous feeling it was producing such as the gatekeeper chit chat, it wasnt bad but it couldve been done in a better way to keep the ominous and eerie vibes by adding another layer of mystery to it. It wouldve been so much better if they kept the reason for creation of the zone and it storing dreams a secret for much later)

[@Courtzz_e]

I never really thought all about all of that in general but ur so right tho I’ve heard leaked music and it seemed Kuro has improved on it just hope they can improve on the rest

[@KraNisOG]

The start is so much better than Genshin's starting story imo. Rover doesn't have a harem. If you have read anything about European or Asian history you'd be able to see the foundations of their story being based on concepts like The Jade Emperor, with some Gnostic themes. And yeah, your claims do make sense if you've skipped through the story, never decided to read any dialog, and never read the characters lines or anything within their sections. Ther eis a lot of deep lore already, and a lot of ideas. There are tons of mysteries without creating tension or confusion if you sit down and actually read it all. The focus on Rover is objectively a good hoice from a story telling standpoint. Rover doesn't have a harem, and it's really obvious he doesn't unless you don't read or unless you're skipping through the story and interactions.l Script can use some work, feels like too much anime character talking, but in terms of anime script writing it's about standard. 6/10 or maybe even a 7/10, though some parts are an easy 10/10 like with The Shorekeeper and her ending portion.

[@bravo6going702]

@@KraNisOG Start is so much better? kid explain wtf rover even bothered to move around with random strangers and why tf would he bother to even help them in the first place, i honeslty prefer the beginning of the first version of the story(its CBT-2 or CBT-1 i think). Why were the strangers friendly to him in a post apocalyptic world where he couldve literally been some echo under a disguise. Also did u even read my comment? i clearly said that the harem wasnt a big problem yet, i stated that if they continue on the same path it might end up as a big problem, also "And yeah, your claims do make sense if you've skipped through the story, never decided to read any dialog, and never read the characters lines or anything within their sections.", kid i checked it out after i skipped it to see was it actually worth skipping, and yeah it was dogshit, if u think the beginning is better than genshin, cinematically speaking ur correct, but logically speaking u couldnt be more wrong. Like ur in a post apocalyptic world where a crap ton of problems exist, 2 ppl just find a handsome rizzler in the woods laying alone like a sigma avoiding that fannum tax and decide to pick him up after getting rizzed his otherworldy rizz and act like they've been long term friends with him, like wtf(i tried as much as i could to make the lore funny but it still felt like shit). Not to mention, ur definition of deep is very vague, way too vague, deep isnt always about just being more and more confusing, its also about the connection of anything and everything in the grand scheme of all things and no thats not something wuwa has built up quiet yet, but they are progressing but i find so so many missed opportunities in their quests and dialogues, even more than genshin (Not hsr tho, the amount of places that couldve improved is bonkers) .Also i am Asian, tf u on about me not knowing Asian basics. But the concept of something like that in a post-apocalyptic world with advanced tech just doesnt sit right. Not to mention, u said that focus on rover is good, but it isnt. Stories like that dont sell. Lemme give u the most basic example i can give, harry potter series, here each character has deep backstory that isnt completely linked to harry potter like tf 80% of characters in wuwa like rover this rover that rover bs. This is just way to much exposure and attention. And yes, i clearly stated in my original comment that some parts of the story were really really good. Especially the shorekeeper one, but i wouldnt call it a 10/10, but 9/10 ,most definitely heck even a 9.5/10. However, although the story telling and interactivity was great, the way it conveyed the emotions wasnt as good as i expected, its hard to explain what im trying to say. But its like u cant actually feel that the ppl are suffering going through alot and etc, basically its hard to actually feel their emotions, like the facial expressions and atmospheric music could do some work. But i did here 2.x has good music so we'll see.( i actually pray that this game humbles hoyo, cause they've been getting way to cucky)

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

THANK YOU. I can't articulate this because I can't even try to take the story seriously enough anymore but it's literally all here, even after all the improvements they have made with the story, there are some fundamental flaws which still haven't been solved and WuWa cannot have good story for me, until they are.

[@ShiroKage-h8v]

I agree with the story but I disagree with your opinions about the cinematic cutscenes and camera angles since they are much better than what hoyo offers with non existing mouth movements and expressions

[@Wolfyyy]

the only character that loves the mc is shorekeeper and it makes sense . camellya they literally said in the game that she is obsessed with the mc strength not rover. yangyang is a weird case( this is the one i don't like) people saying the mc takes too much spotlight(as he should) is kinda crazy considering the later parts of 1.0, the whole 1.1 was about jinhsi and her people, 1.2 is full of different interactions between the characters at the festival. i sorry but i don't want my MC to be a cameraman. when was the last time we got something about genshin mc? or even newer mc, the last time we got something about HSR trailblazer is more than 10 FOKING patches in Xianzhou Luofu ...

[@rayzen119]

For Yangyang... is it wrong/weird to like someone you just met? People go for looks every day.... she thinks the Rover looks cool(which s/he does), there's nothing wrong with that.

[@ashiqprio2485]

I mean camellya doesn't give me the thought that she's just obsessed with rover's power. They have a history in the past where rover saved her and she relates herself to rover cause of the memory loss shit. And then they have a sweet moment at the end where they just take each others photo and watch sunset together. She still might be just obsessed with his powers but the story didn't do a good job at showing that part of her. Like her animated trailer actually did a better job in that regard😅

[@PikachuPolice]

And they only complain about wuwa not hrs and genshin..wtf is this

[@johncardboard4624]

4 years and despite the MC not having memory loss we still don't know anything about them. There was a moment when they could have talked and revealed something but then decided not to. Maybe when our Sun starts imploding on itself in a few billion years then the MC's past will be revealed. Trust in uncle Hoyo's story telling 🤡

[@mr.edelweiss]

Mc from Genshin stopped being the Mc from day one after the first nation Mc from HSR stopped mcing from loufo and on forward And everyone from their community seems fine with it, which is weird, seems biased to me.

[@ThegreatHera420]

The real problem with Wuthering waves story is there’s no clear objective. Finding memories is not enough to work with. I personally don’t like hostile character that have no clear reason to be. Rover’s objective is not easily disagreeable. A character that does show hostility towards them has to either be Scar or dumb af. There’s no middle ground. I am also gonna say Although Changli’s story quest has a glimpse of Rover in the past, it was still a time for Changli to be vulnerable. Changli is just not an open person and Rover got a chance to read her like a book. Changli’s mission left by her master is to help Rover. Her master might’ve seen Rover breaking through her hard exterior or just in general it’s all about saving the world. I think that story quests always have to lean on vulnerable moments for characters because of the outer worldly perspective the main character has. Kinda like Re:Zero. If it doesn’t do that, the story quest is useless imo. I still think the romance in WuWa is very much implied most times, so I think this is overall a none issue. If you read romance, there’s nothing more important than the confession. Without it, it’s not much of anything to go on other than shipping until it happens

[@williemherbert1456]

I think people still kinda not getting it, though understandable since it's too earlier to reveal the whole plot picture. If you deep-dive any of the reading and dialogues about both Somnoir and Tethy's System from recent stories and new permanent event, it's about saving world from the Lament that already plaguing that world of Solaris-3 somewhere a bit later after Rover during early age civilization where he/she given mandate towards the 7 Sentinels to goven and protect this 7 newly arisen human civilization that had been guided and cultivated by us long time ago, the first "Rover". Somnoir was made about finding any of solution to end Lament through scouring and shifting tons of endless dreams from that entire world's population. Tehty's System (probably was one of development done by Savantes) was made based on primordial computation algorithm that precede humanity. Which by now used to predicting, learning, and formulating nature of the Waveworn Phenomena through empirical and scientific methods in its entirety, though we know their system core was sourced from a Lament's corrupting core in such form of "star" beneath Black Shore. We still don't really know exactly why Rover had to lost so many memories for many attempts in saving Solaris-3 from Lament since their inception. Maybe it's already in thousands of attempt reincarnating through and through assuming singular shared identity. Shorekeeper probably made by Savantes, while Cameyllia is such similar entity like us, tasked to be our right hands supporting Rover's effort to solve the Lament. While Changli is just coincidence person with such great admirable feat to be master for Jinshi, Magistrate of Jinzhou, that had heard about how Rover were from hearsays of own old age-extended master that lived in Mt. Firmament. This game kinda reminds me with Adventure Time's plot alike where indeed the whole cast of character despite having their own separate development plotline, still stuck to be dedicated in enforcing the plot advancement of the main story as well the world-building that set in post-apocalypse world utilizing an idea of sound harmony, memories, and destined leading figure. Kinda hoping for a better wrapping up on their lore by the devs later on, just not treated as such like in Genshin Impact that often wasting them by putting them behind rare weapons, certain characters dialog, random NPC, and worse some enscriptions hidden before hardly tracked area.

[@Gheniel_]

the Scar shade lmao

[@Gheniel_]

@@williemherbert1456 someone reads the lore, wow🗿 I also would like to add that people usually think Rover was in the past with Changli, but it wasnt. Rover only appeared in sonoro sphere containing Changli's memories, in which Rover changed Changli's memories of her past, so thats the reason why Changli never met Rover in the past but is still very thankfull to Rover.

[@mites7]

@@williemherbert1456 perfect summary of the story and the goals involved, but as much as I love wuwa and the way they tell the story (much better than just looking at a static screen or people yapping, only act 2 of 1.0 was bad about that They can definitely hammer out that there are indeed stakes and objectives acts 5-6, 1.1, those really made you feel it I think to be fair, 1.2 was a filler patch, and so was 1.4 to some extent other than the Camellya companion quest. 1.3 I think did a really great job of tying a lot of stuff together, lore-wise it was the single best quest.

[@KraNisOG]

@@williemherbert1456 No, Tethys was created by the civilization that we see in The Shorekeeper's memories, the one that Rover told her about. Rover is older than the Tethys system and founded The Blackshores at it's location. His pressence caused The Shorekeeper to awaken, and to take on the body and apperance of a human due to her connecting with Rover's wavelength (essentially his body/soul). Somnoir was created by someone Rover knows. Rover has existed before the Lament and he's the one who helped rebuild reality when physics (aside from gravity) broke down. Also, side note, I loved The Shorekeepers story quest because we felt like the companion during much of it, whereas the other companion quests we still feel like Rover helping out, but we don't feel like the side character in their quest unlike with The Shorekeeper. Also, we have some good reasons as to why Rover gave up his memories. He's immortal, there isn't much reason to assume he wouldn't act like a normal human as you get older, that being you become stubborn in your older ways and therefore it's harder to change, or in the case of the lament fight change. Giving up your memories gives up your experiencce, meaning you can find new ways to beat the lament far easier.

[@feralchimaera99]

It's gonna be too funny if they made a great designed character who is already in a relationship with another character be it a playable one or an npc. And the entirety of the schizo playerbase starts bitchin and crying why they're in a relationship

[@Metalalloy45]

I hope they do more couples with passives when they are in the same team, like SK and Rover (but ofc, with completely different characters and not rover)

[@nguyenanhkhoa6766]

The game is going to be dead very quickly in China if that happens. China players insanely love the harem MC type. Kuro is not that dumb to listen to that crazy idea of yours.

[@FlatAsAPancakeAndTwiceAsWide]

@@nguyenanhkhoa6766 Why do the CN Community love harem type MC's anyways? Is it like a... thing?

[@Khann_2102]

​@@FlatAsAPancakeAndTwiceAsWideIdk, it's kinda a popular thing, Cultivation genre too somehow

[@FlatAsAPancakeAndTwiceAsWide]

@@Khann_2102 Maybe culture...?

[@whatamess8894]

4:26 uuuhm rover came to Solares, but things were already happening, rover is our perspective and also an important key for the history and lore of the world, the tension was divided, not just rover. 1.1 the center is jinhsi and his conflict with the father figure (jue) rover is not really the center, but he is a key point that helps. Changli is also the center of her own story, the point is how she deals with a forte that consumes her own life, and her complex about it, again the center is herself, rover is just a key there that helps 1.3 is all about rover, but why? BECAUSE IT'S WHAT WAS PREPARED FROM THE BEGINNING, it's where it was promised that rover would discover more of itself, it's the main point of going there, so obviously rover is part of the center there even more than before.

[@r0_ve1]

The main story for 1.0 to the current patch is an absolute scenery, the only reason it feels like a harem game is because of the gender ratio

[@F1ll1nTh3Blanks]

Things were happening but everything and everyone revolve around Rover once they arrive with the exception of Jue, Jinhsi arc but even Jue is a companion/construct of Rover as is the Black Shore's, Jinhsi puts a good amount of effort into getting Rover on side for no reason other than Jue said so. Changli, all of her growth in her childhood other than to find her feet in life was just to aid Rover.. why. And these are characters I consider to be more independent of Rovers circle than most of the main cast.

[@whatamess8894]

@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks yes and no. Yes, because rover is a key point in the lore of that world and has real relevance in it. Jihnsi did everything to get Rover on her side, not just because Jue said so (at one point she had doubts about Jue) but because she herself recognized him...Rover appears in the record and in traditional stories as well as Also in the prophecies, the world has testimonies regarding rover since it is not his first time there and she confirms this, she alone understands his relevance. Changli has had the desire since she was little to use her power to help other people. She didn't know rover, who did know was the man who became her master. When the man trains her, he is not doing it just out of respect for rover, he does it mainly in respect to her and her desire, which despite being noble, would also consume her own life without proper training.

[@johnk8936]

It’s still miles better than character story that revolves around average at best looking NPC that players don’t even bother to remember before the next patch even announces.

[@Tea_1810]

“Is it wrong for someone to like somebody?” “It isn't unusual” Bruh, I never have problems with characters having feelings but it is unusual for literally almost every female character that exists to like Rover, I've been fed up by all those harem and glazing, should be more realistic, like the characters being cautious and suspicious to see an unfamiliar face, but they're literally too blindly friendly towards Rover, for me, it would have even made these characters more badass if they were cautious and not keeping their guards down towards Rover, I personally think that Kuro Games should priority on the PLOT(the literal plot, not other characters' feelings towards Rover) Rover's identity, The nature of the Solaris, Fractsidus, Sentinels, Etheric Sea, Retroact Rain, TDs, the history of the areas, there are so many things they could have added instead of a mad lady calling Rover “Seed of Fate”, unnecessarily holding Rover's hand, or literally flirting with an agent(I'm not sayinv these should be “removed”, I'm just saying to calm tf down) ofc fanservices exist on every game and I have no problem with it, but WUWA story is a bit off for me, they throw massive amount of lore at you at the very start of the game, the pacing seems off, and the story getting distracted by the harem (Wait and see Carlotta and other upcoming female characters simp on Rover as well, I can already guess it)

[@Khann_2102]

Yeah it's also a problem in lots of chinese stories which WuWa adopts into

[@Gheniel_]

@@Khann_2102 wuxia and other chinese mythologies and novels.

[@Khann_2102]

@@Gheniel_ Yep Also hey we meet again

[@Gheniel_]

companion quests are not part of the main plot, they are literally "bond quests" it focuses on Rover finding things about the character, solving a problem and increasing their intimacy.

[@Tea_1810]

@@Gheniel_ I mean, true but the fanservice can still be lowered down, right? The bonding doesn't need to be, well, glazing and simping, the companion quests explore more ABOUT that specific character, their perspective on things, their childhood, their importance for the main story, etc. I still think that it doesn't necessarily have to be harem but more about that character's depth

[@iamthechampion2296]

Yea and this is why firstly they should really balance gender ratio

[@Courtzz_e]

Exactly like what do yall mean 5 females and only one male.???

[@silverhawkscape2677]

@@iamthechampion2296 How about...No?

[@r0_ve1]

@@silverhawkscape2677how about you go take a shower

[@silverhawkscape2677]

@@r0_ve1 Everyday. I want my Gathering Wives.

[@Shibu-069]

@@silverhawkscape2677 touch grass

[@nava9561]

Cut them some slack, i love the game, but i gotta agree the main story and companion is generic when it comes to writing and narrative in general but almost every game starts rough, Heck pgr's story was boring af at start. And btw dont compare pgr and wuwa, PGR story is much more easy to cook, because its in visual novel way, devs and wiriters can cook a little more free, unlike wuwa's movie like storytelling. Its like Movie vs Book In movie you have to account peoples reaction , like "will this scene from original work, work in cinematography style?" "how do i convey feelings here with camera styles, music, facial expressions and etc ?" "and how do i convey the ibtended terror/happiness and emotion in this particular scene?" While in Book, you just write what you feel sure it can be hard, ive experienced it myself, but comparing the 2 different way of story is unfair, and wuwa is still fresh, let them cook a little

[@Boczek9666]

I agree with you 100%. Really wanted to continue playing wuwa, but I'm a lore player, so I wasn't hooked.

[@Sthhuihryjbtijhuijnn]

It happened to three charecters but the harem plot was implied with yangyang too, and it feels like everyone, even jiyan and yao simps for mc.... Even tho might nit Ngl they completly 180 ed the cbt, it would've been amazing if they found a balance of it

[@F2p_gacha_addict]

I think shipping in game characters can really goes bad in CN community bro

[@KraNisOG]

Rover doesn't have a Harem. The only one who loves Rover is The Shorekeeper. Changli just wanted to meet him and get to know the person who her teacher adored. Changli doesn't love Rover. Camellya literally just wants to fight you and kill you and barely considers you an aquantince, even after reaching intamacy level 5. I do agree that Rover is being glazed a bit too much, that said basically EVERYONE is growing up on stories about Rover because he is essentially the Jade Emperor, so once people realize Rover is THE Rover from the stories they're going to start glazing him. Think of it like growing up on stories about Augustus, hearing he ended civil wars, the reason why your city is so safe and suddenly he shows up in your town, you'd go to try and see him and essentially glaze him as well. Yinlin also doesn't love Rover, she's just happy someone knows her real self and accepts her. Taoqi views Rover as a (younger) brother/sister (Yes, even though Rover is older, she still calls herself your big sister). I can't think of a single female character that wants Rover aside from The Shorekeeper, but I can see how people would think so if they don't read the paragraphs and grinding characters to unlock these paragraphs. Also, I play Male Rover and never once got the impression that every characters wants to fuck Rover, and I think it's very obvious that only one character actually loves Rover. In fact, most of Male Rover's responses are rather mundane, or even warry of the characters. However, with The Shorekeeper, his dialog choices are much more personal and emotional than the others. I think they can improve on showcases how characters actually feel about Rover, and I think that Rover should have some legitmate enemies, hell I'd like to see him/her get jumped ngl. I think the problem people have isn't that their is a harem, there isn't, the issue is that it's not immediately apparent without reading paragraphs of lore. Also, the world DOES revolve around Rover, he literally rebuilt the world when physics broke down and is kind of responsible for ressonance. Maybe not entirely around him, but he is objectively the reason the universe still exists. Also, they redid the story from the beta because most people HATED those moments and hated the story. Objectively the story is in a much better state. Liking or hating it is, of course, subjective.

[@VLeo-sonofliberty]

i finally found my people

[@sakuyakizume]

Am i the only one who doesn't see any problem here 😅 the story is still fine for me personally, and all of my friends are as well.

[@kaionyoki3670]

It's an okay story for 1.x patches if you actually don't hyper fixate on the harem part you'll notice that it's actually not that bad (it does exist like camellya and shorekeeper tho but they're not overly simping and have reasons. For yang yang? She do be acting shy around rover which does annoy me cuz I can't pin exactly pin point why or when she does). Others opinion on the harem do affect some people as well so it is what it is. I do think they should shy away from what they did In black shores story which kind of just felt like a shorekeeper companion quest beautiful cutscenes tho but should have focused more on black shores history and the past which they always do not explain atm. This is the same with camellya companion quest where we know that she was once lady flora but lady flora is actually another version of herself that has also lost her previous memories ( meaning we still don't know who or where camellya comes from like shorekeeper...and with the open world story telling of their genre, who knows when we will get a follow up quest)

[@amaasd-jg5wz]

it is not bad But the harem part is annoying and destroys the potential of the story if they continue in the same vein

[@tris1591]

​@@kaionyoki3670 well they hide it in camellya bio , u can try to read it , way deeper than thì companion quest .

[@rayzen119]

@@kaionyoki3670 well Yangyang thinks Rover looks cool (which s/he does), so she likes Rover and she's the shy type, mystery solved? People can and do like others when they first see them irl, it's not unusual.

[@kaionyoki3670]

@@rayzen119 yep! They have plans for yang yang that's for sure especially since she's the poster girl but now that we're moving away from jinzhou, I'm interested to see how they will complete her reason for their attachment to rover. Most of my annoyance of yangyang actually comes from her EN va and now that I'm replaying the game in jp she seems like a much better character.

[@bentennyson3824]

Even for a harem. The story itself is very mid

[@Metalalloy45]

I had the impression Jinhsi influence the people of jinzhou to be nice to rover right at the beggining This gives me hope the next region will be different

[@dampayload]

1:25 IM IN THE THICK OF IT

[@samrockwell940]

just gonna link this video instead of explaining what are my issues with the story

[@a4arick106]

the Encore story is really good, as it has no relation to Rover directly, Rover is there mainly just to help and witness both Ying and Encore wanting to reunite to their parents even if it's temporary.

[@MauricePegg-i2h]

Rover is someone that is a living legend. We take control of Rover after they have had their memories wiped. And this is the version 1 of the game. So it makes sense that this is the 'introduction' phase of the game.

[@nonenoninomae]

I think this has to do with Chinese region being the one Chinese players wanted to be more familiar with as characters. Now we're wandering through the world around and I think people won't know shxt about us.

[@cypureisreallybusy]

there we go ships and headcanons, i thought we left that in other open-world gacha game.

[@johncardboard4624]

True and real

[@Courtzz_e]

@@cypureisreallybusy sorry to break it to u but that’s what makes a fandom grow either u like it or u don’t like it. Plus js click not interested yall make everything so hard

[@EtherealRune]

People think that smiling towards another person is a declaration of love. Tells you everything you need to know - They lack social interaction and can't differentiate between fiction and reality anymore.

[@cypureisreallybusy]

@@EtherealRune true. I like me some fictional women but damn don't be so detached. I have seen people treating pixel better than an actual human being shi is crazy.

[@cypureisreallybusy]

@@Courtzz_e only in gacha games(hoyo games). It's nothing to be proud abt. Go outside. Yall are chronically online and detached from reality that's why you talk and act like this.

[@Lig-Crzy09]

I think everyone has different taste i like how story is going the more wifu comes the better for me

[@silverhawkscape2677]

"This is not how the story is supposed to go..." They changed it after Backlash. Deal with it. And the Post apocalyptic theme was dialed down if Rinascita is any indication. Patch 2.0 is a soft reboot for them.

[@ashiqprio2485]

Or they are just baiting us into thinking that the apocalyptic theme is toned down

[@Zip_bomb]

@@silverhawkscape2677 "just hate without valid criticism" - cn player (most of them)

[@haruusami1831]

@@ashiqprio2485 Pretty sure its pretty obvious that eventually whatever chapter/vers. something dark will happen because that's the purpose of Fractsidus,Therenodian or other faction that opposes Rover or in general faction that has their own agenda like power etc, the main problem with people in gacha space is asking for a whole book of harry potter in a first Chapter of the story, they want everything to immediately happen Drama,depression etc etc. Its the same in PGR, few chapters in PGR is just world building and introducing few faction, after that it became darker and darker, of course its not probably going to be dark as PGR given its post-apocalypse but their will be definitely times when things will go dark in some stories they planned.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

@@ashiqprio2485 Nope. They aren't baiting us.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

@@haruusami1831 Unlike PGR. WuWa world is clearly more stable. It reminds of Genshin. We got a Post apocalyptic past and Nation that are well established in the Present day.

[@m_d_thp]

That trope is in three of the important story since at this point "Rover's main goal is finding things about himself". His main motovation for doing favors with those charcters is to "also learn about himself". So expect the "important story arcs" that will revolve around Rovee learning more about his past to be like that . Also that the story usually push River go to other places by baiting him with info about his past. Also at this point Rover is currently labeled with a hero status so it makes more sense that people are less skeptic about him. They should have not removed the element of people being antagonistic with him at the start so that people would have valued when charcters start treating him well.

[@sagiTheBoyyy]

I want a harem of MEN, I want the rover to be with the boys and chill. Only then… I’ll be happy. (But why do they be so friendly with rover? Like- I’d be hella suspicious of him/her ngl)

[@KraNisOG]

Most people aren't suspicious of someone upon first meeting them unless you're meeting them in a bar, or a dark alleyway. Meeting someone who appears to be unconscious engages sympathy and empathy from humans, meeting some stranger walking around a city engages in sympathy and curiosity. As long as you don't look like you're snooping around, spying, or going to kill someone most humans generally don't care or have a positive view towards someone. Since Rover looks good, most humans have an immediate instinct to believe that this person is a good person and heroic and will treat them better. That's why all Greek and Roman heroes are handsome, strong, and godlike. The only difference is that sometimes they lose or perform horrible acts that cause repetance in order to relate to the audiance more.

[@maninanikittycat4238]

Hopefully in Rinascita the rover glazing stops

[@UthmaanAllie-ps3fy]

I know he perfect person for this redemption arc plot. That new 5 star that looks like arlecchino

[@j.d.clayborne5556]

The one with the horns?

[@UthmaanAllie-ps3fy]

@j.d.clayborne5556 yeah

[@vfxvega]

I hope she is unbothered by rover

[@KraNisOG]

I hope she sees Rover and Carlotta talking and immediately goes to throw hands. Zani, from what we can see, is either the first daughter of the Montelli family or an enforcer of some kind. That said, people would 100% be annoyed as FUCK if Zani didn't like Rover because it's not a natural human interaction. Believe it or not, liking someone when you first meet them is, not the anime tsundere's or cold shoulders. I personally want Rover to get jumped, that's all I'm hoping for.

[@zackvyle]

Well there is 2.0 onwards, they shouldnt be repeating it again and again. The new city/expansion should be different. Keyword = Should

[@r0_ve1]

The 50 female characters coming up *cough*

[@creativedia]

@@r0_ve1yeah like 6 girls and one single Brant🥹

[@kaiser8773]

Welcome back, SAO fanfics

[@hijodelsoldeoriente]

I absolutely agree with this criticism. Hopefully, with Tencent gaining majority share, they'd have more financial security to experiment and not rely in repetitive clichés of rover glazing. Also, I'm betting Carlotta will yet be another rover glaze. I know why they're doing this but man, they wrote a canon romance in PGR yet it didn't feel forced. It was earned cause it was built-up for so long. The commandant, while gatnering praise also has obstacles from the upper echelon. They are fully capable of great writing yet I think due to how big an investment WuWa is, they're sticking to typical tropes and parasocial MC-glaze.

[@KraNisOG]

Carlotta I feel is going to pretend to glaze for Rover, but will be revealed that she was using us for some other method. Perhaps she grew to like us, but I HIGHLY doubt it'll be romantical. Also, remember, Rover's name is spreading across the world for defeating a Threnodian and he revealed himself as the Leader of The Blackshores, it's not out of the question that someone rasied as well as Carlotta would put on a mask to lure him in. I honeslty hope they go that route of her just viewing Rover as a tool for herself to either break free, take the mantle, whatever her goals are.

[@vjredline9242]

Theres more characters, Rover rizzes up zhezi and yangyang too, not to mention the sesnsitive moment rover had with yinlin. In b4 scar becomes romanceable

[@JJ_511]

I honestly have to agree with your point. I really do love this game - the exploration, the characters' designs, their personalities, combat gameplay, and practically everything but the ONLY thing I had the problem is the story. If you compare with PGR characters and WUWA characters, I feel like PGR are more better. Yes, they do have sorta feelings towards the Commandant (either platonic or romantic, whatever you want it to be) but at least they're not constantly GLAZING the MC. Some of them were even skeptical towards the Commandant at first till they slowly feel comfortable. Like, maybe just MAYBE - if they dampen down the glazing and improve the characters interactions between the others except Rover then people wouldn't really be bothered as much. (Before any of y'all attack me, this is just my opinion. I get it that Rover was basically a higher being or sorts from the past before they're reawakened but it can get tiring if they continue this plot over and over again. I can't really blame people when they referred this game as "Gathering Wives." Apologies for creating a longer comment, but thanks to anyone who spends time reading this lol.)

[@Balbaneth]

All the 5 * males in the game are separated from the female cast, there is zero interaction with them. Same goes for the romanceable females they have absolutely no connections with the other cast. If they do its surface lvl and never seen beyond the minimal story moments. It's all to make sure Rover is the only one there. In order for the world to be believable characters have to have lives, females and males speaking to each other. No characters existing etc. The story has been so bad without anything substantial and cannot be taken seriously. No childhood friends outside of Rover, no rivalries, no character that fucks over Rover and uses them specifically for schemes. Nothing. Just glazing and this one male in the new region will be treated like crap just like every other male.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

As it should for CN. Did you know Snowbreak in Beta had a Male Character that was erased because the CN didn't like it. Azur Promilia Got stinked up after a Rumor said their might be male characters in a series that focused exclusively on Women characters. The Devs had to clarify only playable male characters.

[@Balbaneth]

@@silverhawkscape2677 it's why wuwa will never be a great game. If you put in male characters don't do a dog shit job. Either own up to it or don't do it at all.

[@kaiju4240]

I think the major issue...Is some character already have history with the rover. So it make it difficult to tell a story without the history...

[@joaomarcoscosta4647]

I think the main issues are as follows: 1) The whole world seems to revolve around Rover. The glazer / harem problem is a consequence of it. 2) The majority of playable characters don't really get enought time build a relationship to each other... And those who do, feel really shallow. Pretty much the only relationships that get any devolopment are between a playable character and Rover. Well, this is kind of a continuation of the "whole world revolving around Rover problem", but I thought it deserved a special mention. 3) The Rover themselves are not an interesting character.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

Deal it with it.

[@joaomarcoscosta4647]

@@silverhawkscape2677 Mediocre writing? Yeah, I already accepted that I should keep my expectation in check, specially for the main story. It's probably better this way. Instead of being disapointed when we get another mediocre chapter, I will be pleasantly surprised if we get a good one. For now, I'm getting my fix of good storytelling with Heaven Burns Red. I had high expectations for it, and it managed to surpass them. I was also pleasantly surprised with the new Wizardry gacha. The story is pretty basic, but the atmosphere is really well executed - it really nails that dark fantasy tone. I've been meaning to catch up to Limbus Company some time was well.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

@@joaomarcoscosta4647 Heaven Burns Red how? Nothing Special about that.

[@joaomarcoscosta4647]

@@silverhawkscape2677 You think so? I'm really enjoying it. Well, I can definitly see how this type of humor might not be for everyone, but I find the character interactions entertaining. More than that... I really like that, instead of jumping straight to infodumping, the story takes its time getting the player to connect with the cast - as well as allowing the characters to connect to each other. This makes the world feel much more alive. And then, when the some heavier themes are introduced later on, it hits that much harder. And the story can go some pretty dark places at times. Instead of having an OP protagonist that solves every problem with relative ease, the writing actually creates the feeling that we are a part of a much larger effort, that we are up against an enemy much more powerful than us, and that not everyone will get out of it unscathed. I don't want to get into spoiler territory, but some characters go through fairly traumatic experiences, and the game takes the time to explore the consequences. (Both the side-stories and the main plot are VERY character driven.) Also, someone being a playable character is no guarantee that they will survive. This makes the stakes much higher. The music and the quality of the voice acting also help make the big climatic scenes even more impactful. That said... It's certainly true that the main story is a bit of a slow burn, and many people find it doesn't really "get going" until the later half of chapter two. Personally, I enjoyed the earlier chapters as well, but... If you find the slice of life scenes boring, it's totaly understandable if you decide to drop it, since the more bombastic moments are spread relatively thin. Overall, I would give it a solid 8 or 9 out of 10.

[@joaomarcoscosta4647]

@@silverhawkscape2677 Oh, and as a bonus, it's kinda cool that other characters often remember choices that the player made several scenes - sometimes even several chapters ago. It's nothing groundbreaking, and it doesn't create major divergences in the main plot,* but it's still something I rarely see in gacha games. (*Well, except in the cases where it leads directly to a bad ending.)

[@waduhhfreeze9779]

I don't see a problem here, in fact, it makes WuWa unique and distinct from it's competition(ZZZ and Genshin) where friendship is more emphasized than romance. I like WuWa's approach to this romance thing with rover, it is a breath of fresh air.

[@Courtzz_e]

A breathe of toxins sure

[@thereisnotenoughalice]

Agreed.

[@cypureisreallybusy]

they gotta sell the characters some how!

[@Ew-wth]

@@cypureisreallybusy Lol, do it like every other fucking gacha then and tell a compelling story. Most gacha do in fact not glaze THIS much and have even more revenue than Wuwa, a freaking game that had an AAA budget.

[@cypureisreallybusy]

@Ew-wth your stupid to believe "revenue= good game" argument. I'm not even gonna talk abt it.

[@Eh-ve8ms]

1:25 IS THIS A KSI REFERENCE?

[@PikachuPolice]

A question from this cc If Jesus is reborn..will you ignore him ? Well rover is Jesus of this planet..so im asking

[@Courtzz_e]

Many people don’t believe in Jesus… so yes I would ignore him

[@PikachuPolice]

​@@Courtzz_emany people believe in rover tho

[@Courtzz_e]

@ and that’s fine but the 24/7 glazing just needs to calm down other characters need to shine cuz remember their the ones on the banner

[@onion69420]

Kuro still thinks they have echo chamber of cbt1

[@anetepaulakrinicka7830]

I blame CN players for complaining that their waifu during CB1 test wasn't simp on Rover and was always on guard and tried to shoot Rover.

[@ii-xl2vb]

Personally I don't like Chixia's action that time, I mean Rover saves them but Chixia is just being ungrateful. I just think that they should not simping on Rover too much.

[@huyle-ob8rg]

While I'm a sucker for harem plot, imo the story should be more balance with their lore and characters. I believe ppl think Rover has too much spotlight is because the story feels short for each arc, concluded too quickly, not enough screen time for other characters to shine, how limited the casts are in each location, especially how the banner/highlight character interact with Rover. Like how both Shorekeeper and camellya both romantically interested (in one way or another) in Rover, despite both arcs barely have anything in common.

[@rxvld]

this is so true omg i hope they can change the direction for future characters :((

[@nekomatasan3915]

Welp Rover is a main character, the story mainly focus about Rover's journey unlike HSR or ZZZ where the story focus about its World.

[@Courtzz_e]

Yes but lit u have to remember the other characters still needs depth to them and how they interact with other characters to progress through the story they’re the ones on the banner not rover

[@HerrscherOfKugisaki]

what?? So they should just abandon side character's growth and depth just to please the self insert players?

[@LuniDragon]

Way to make a character dull if all or most of the things they do or say is obsess or glaze mc. I'd rather they do actually focus on the characters themselves and the world they live in. But hey, if Kuro want to go harem route, and it'll keep people pulling good for them. For me it's achieving the opposite. I don't care to pull then.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

Sorry sir but leaks say we're gonna Bridal carry someone

[@reijgr442]

No bruh. You just tripping. No one is fixated or has the same expectations that you have... Also, that "unimportant" NPC in the Black Shores story is actually important because it is part of the Shorekeeper's development as human being, since that character is there because the Shorekeeper is following Rover's philosophy that no matter what value a system imposes, people are worth more for being people.

[@Courtzz_e]

I’ve seen a lot of people have that opinion but alright

[@vstampde8066]

I don't actually see this as a problem

[@KatyaXx0]

I do 💀🤢.. as a husbando lover.. IM SICK OF THIS..

[@r0_ve1]

Good your the games target audience

[@Ew-wth]

100% this video. I'm so over it.

[@adawongisthequeen2006]

Well carlotta isn't going the same way so chill out. That dialog in her art is about business bro..she works in a crime agency. Also some leakers (tryst full ones) confirmed that "2.0 story will be something which we ill be rewritten in gacha history" so hold up till you see 2.0

[@AIA222-yu5ml]

"chill out" You say, but he was chill. This isn't doomposting, he is just giving valid criticism. Most share the same sentiment, that it's getting repetitive how the game is now just Gathering Wives™. Even PGR has more characters interacting with each other and not everything is about us, the Commandant. They each have their own little character arc that doesn't completely revolve around the mc. We get to spend time with them after they fixed their own struggles.

[@adawongisthequeen2006]

@AIA222-yu5ml shut up and get off the game and play pgr then??? Literal crappy ass Chanel ☺️ Bro thinks his opinion is valid and people actually agree with him with barely any comments and most bare minimum likes 😂😂😂😂 Atp I would have get off yt instead spreading wrong infos.

[@amaasd-jg5wz]

​@@AIA222-yu5ml exactly

[@Courtzz_e]

I mean he was chill he gave good criticism

[@silverhawkscape2677]

I doubt it. In the end Carlotta will be another wife for Rover. They'll just have it in events and her companion story instead. They pulled a Specific Audience with Gathering Wives. They arent going to drop them now.b

[@MageGus]

The only problems lies in how the gacha community is so used of how hoyoverse make their stories, the ppl wanna see something similar to feel comfortable because they can't get out of that comfort zone.😂😂 I don't want the same as other gachas, variety is good.

[@ii-xl2vb]

I don't like genshin story and their mc, but I can't say I'm satisfied with Wuthering story. Of course I don't want Wuthering to have similiar story to genshin but all of this mc simping need to be reduced and give screentime to male and 4 star characters.

[@Akiyuki09]

What story do you like? 1. Story focuses on interactions between characters and the main character. (Kurogames) 2. Story focuses on the world itself (Hoyogame) The wuwa story itself doesn't matter to me and I like it. Regarding stories that contain elements of harem or romance, it all depends on each person's views. If you don't like wuwa stories like that, then it's not your taste. That's why kurogemes provides a "Skip" feature for people who don't like the story😂😂

[@Lumi1017-g1k]

Exactly, if people don't like the story that much, they should just find another game. I see a lot of people online complaining about this, but they always keep playing. If you don't like the story aspect of the game but love the combat system, well guess what nothing is perfect. At this point, it looks like a typical toxic relationship where the girl really likes her boyfriend and he doesn't treat her right, but despite that she chooses to stay with him. I'm not saying you can't express your opinions and dissatisfaction, but no need to make a fuss about it. @Akiyuki09 Yeah I use that skip button whenever I see an annoying character like Camellya's & Zhezhi's companion quest. People will never be satisfied enough and will always complain. If they remove the romance aspect, then the people who like harem will complain. People complain there's nothing to do, but then they add long events with a lot of combat gameplay. And wow who would've guessed, they complain they don't have time to complete the events.

[@Courtzz_e]

@@Akiyuki09 if it doesn’t matter to u why do u have an opinion it on it?? A lot of people play gacha games for the story and combat wake up

[@Ew-wth]

1. It literally has the least amount of interactions between characters out of any freaking game I've ever played. This is especially obvious because it's a gacha that's supposed to like... HAVE A MILLION CHARACTERS THAT SHOULD KINDA FEEL ALIVE AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT?

[@Lumi1017-g1k]

@@Courtzz_e A lot of people also play gacha games because they like the combat, showing off their builds, aestheticism, playing with friends, the characters, etc. Plus, there are a lot of people who also like this type of story. @Akiyuki09 made his point by saying that if you don't like it just skip. You need to wake up and give a proper reply. Just because it doesn't matter to him = he doesn't have the right to have an opinion? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. So that question is useless. Then you proceed with a statement.

[@Courtzz_e]

Many people enjoy the story, but the companies that produce these types of narratives are not among the top three in terms of revenue, are they? If the lore doesn't matter to him, why is he sharing an opinion on something he doesn't care about? He isn't passionate about it. The main focus of gacha games is the story and design (combat and animations). If those elements are not prioritized in a gacha game, it won't attract players. When someone says, "If you don’t like it, skip it," we argue that criticism is necessary for improvement because many of us want to see the game thrive. Some people seem indifferent to the story, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, opinions can be challenged, as they are not objective facts. His opinion seems misguided, as it appears that he is trying to undermine the game rather than contribute to its improvement.

[@DhruvRed]

Azur lane, girls frontline, snowbreak, Nike there are tonnes of successful harem games so I don’t mind one more

[@jamesdavid2893]

Press the skip button or uninstall. It's a you problem.

[@Courtzz_e]

acc no many people r complaining u js enjoy trash story telling

[@jamesdavid2893]

@Courtzz_e I enjoy trash story telling yet mention the skip button, makes complete sense, maybe it's more that if I don't like something it's up to me to do something about it, of course that's a problem when there's people who want to complain about things they can simply avoid by you know, using the skip button.

[@Courtzz_e]

@jamesdavid2893 thats mainly because most gacha games bring in players by lore and overall game play of the characters it adds excitement so when smt that is supposed to be a major part of ur game is boring people are ofc going to criticize it. Idk what hard to understand theres lit people who only play gacha games because of the story and lore

[@jamesdavid2893]

@Courtzz_e you told me I enjoy trash story telling, it's actually you that has the problem understanding, if someone doesn't like a story and they have the option to skip or go play something else then it's a really simple problem to solve, I never once said people don't have a right to not like something I was however told I like trash story telling, while being the one who said if I don't like something I can skip it, if that's a problem for people that I'm able to use the options available to me and others would rather complain, it's no longer the game that is the problem it's the person who doesn't do anything about it.

[@thefilipinoguy_wu]

Invalid argument

[@Kpopgurlfriendokay]

They really need to stop letting us interact with the girls. Like we barely talk to the guys who are freaking cool. But nooo they need us to talk to the girls only which I’m getting tired of talking to the girls. They need to balance it out

[@WEAREVENOM-e7c]

Idu pls explain is this some kind of Yuri what a minutes with all due respect

[@silverhawkscape2677]

Theyll never be Hostile to Rover again. Deal with it sir. They learned that Doesnt Sell with the Wider CN Audience. And the Waifu culture in General.

[@MoonLight-mf1fe]

Instead of taking any criticism whatsoever the wuwa community tells people to "leave" or "deal with it". And they wonder why the hate 😒

[@silverhawkscape2677]

@@MoonLight-mf1fe It's about Reality. Better they realize it sooner than be disappointed because that was never their intention with the new story direction. Westerners should know their place in the CN market.

[@MoonLight-mf1fe]

@@silverhawkscape2677 What if i told you, and this would sound crazy, but what if I told you that most don't care for the story direction and would be satisfied either way. And giving feedback and criticism is the best way for a minority that cares to tells the devs "hey! We don't like that, could you change it please?"

[@cypureisreallybusy]

@@MoonLight-mf1fe oh yeah they will listen to a single person and not look at the wider audience, your delusion respectfully.

[@MoonLight-mf1fe]

@@cypureisreallybusy if you ever open any social media related to kuro (reddit as an example) you'll see people *begging* kuro to stop the rover glaze, even big youtubers like gacha smack are telling them to stop. No wonder you like the story, you think "if I don't see it then it doesn't exist".

[@CompletelyNormalBird]

Love the overall vibe of the game But for god sake The beginning sucks Suck so hard I just stopped playing I swear this game turned into gathering wives so fast The combat is also not really my type so meh

[@prakash_d_ace]

rover needs a serious relationship.

[@xehanort04]

WE NEED A BETTER STORY

[@silverhawkscape2677]

I want it to end with us Gathering our Wives for a final battle.

[@adolfomonzon-s5k]

What I didn't like about the beta is that they treat the main character like an idiot, if he's supposed to be strong and you don't know what he's capable of, don't challenge him. The thing about Sanhua and the furry seems stupid to me, apart from that, the fact that they don't trust him seems reasonable to me. One of the things that ended up tiring me about Genshin is that there's always a character that makes the main character who's supposed to be strong look like a weakling, I liked what they did with Jinyan in the final version, he's supposed to be strong so they didn't lower the main character but made him an equal.

[@adolfomonzon-s5k]

I'm sorry it's difficult to write in English so I used the translator

[@ItsMe_SaiYuri]

i dont see any problem on wuwa actually, its not perfect but i'd rather go with their current story line than copy paste an idea from somewhere else, besides this game isnt even a year old and i'll let the devs cook and surprise us either it good or bad as long as its an original.. i mean I've never seen a camellya or shorekeeper alike (not by appearance but by character) in other popular gatcha games so far, so i'll take it

[@WEAREVENOM-e7c]

Edit : As a guy who like straight ship Edit : WHAT DO I SAYYY Venom : CHOCOLATE Exit : Not Helping

[@CrowUIO]

I don't really see the harem in WW like you said, the only ones showing love interest to the MC is SK and yang2, Camellya is after the strength of rover since she is a power-hungry psycho, Zhezhi is just being shy around the MC cause it's the 1st time she have a real friend and someone to talk to seriously, Changli respect rover not as a love interest after the companion quest where they learn that Changli's teacher is like a lifelong rival, Jinhsi knows rover before rover got back into solaris-3 cause of Jue im not gonna name all the female characters here cause that'll be too long so idk what you're talking about WW being a harem game.

[@r0_ve1]

Wuwa isn’t a harem game, but their amount of female characters feel like it

[@CrowUIO]

@r0_ve1 exactly but braindead people always imply that this game is a harem game it's so idiotic, though they'll add more characters in the future they just can't wait, other gacha games have the same ratio of male to female characters just that other games are older than wuwa

[@waterdog737]

Blame the Rover glazing on the fan service based style of writing and the audience that style caters too.

[@ZeeeGamer]

Every single gacha game always starts with someone opening their one eye. So annoying.

[@h.0951]

I hope this will change. Rover has to be the protagonist, the story must be told and writted by him. But that doesn't mean he has to be being the perfect character who's loved by everyone in the first minute. I wouldn't mind if these relationships were built for a longer time with quests and interactions. Probably in the future this will change specially with Fractsidus characters and other factions we'll meet along our journey.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

Sir. Harem plot is making them m9ney. CN players want Heroic Harem Narratives. The Backlash to their Chixia Pointing a gun at them and GFL2 drama makes sure Harem is Love. Harem is Life.

[@Courtzz_e]

Idk bro maybe go outside and talk to women or maybe get a gf ? When u do the harem trope will probs not appeal to u anymore

[@cypureisreallybusy]

@@Courtzz_e relax, this is over a Chinese game dont get offended by a random people on the internet haha.

[@Courtzz_e]

@@cypureisreallybusy I js rlly don’t fw incels tryna rub their mental illness on a game I like but ye ur right

[@HerrscherOfKugisaki]

​@@cypureisreallybusyoffended? Please you're overreacting, don't be too sensitive😸

[@cypureisreallybusy]

@@HerrscherOfKugisaki sorry forgot to add " 🤣"

[@Sirindilable]

Actually, this is quite weird people have positive attitude toward someone called "rover". But the rules of the world. Really, WW story was never intended to be serious.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

Exactly

[@MoonLight-mf1fe]

L take, you say story was never intended to be serious when: 1.0- one of the strongest creatures in this game was about to wake up and cause havoc on an entire country, people were experimented on and turned into monsters by the fracidus, Jiyan cq was talking about his lost comrades and many dark stuff, Lingyan cq was talking about him wanting to be accepted by others as a normal person. 1.1- a nation's guardian was captured leading to time being unstable and causing both people and other creatures to freeze in place so the magistrate had to risk sacrificing herself to fix the problem, changli's backstory. 1.2- xiangli yao having to deal with the weight of being the son of a famous scientist, his friend facing imposter syndrome and thinking of taking his own life, zhizhi seeing artists being used and exploited as tools. 1.3- a supercomputer going rouge and trapping the souls of people in endless torment, shorekeeper almost dying to fix the unstable system after protecting the world for so long and suffering herself from it, a city getting destroyed, encore cq. 1.4- six different characters having to face their struggles head on,camellya cq.

[@leblancattire5951]

@@MoonLight-mf1fe not serious enough

[@MoonLight-mf1fe]

@@leblancattire5951 people are dying and suffering left and right, the only thing not making this more serious is the anime style

[@leblancattire5951]

@@MoonLight-mf1fe not because of anime style, but presentation is lacking.

[@sagiTheBoyyy]

Fr tbh, I never really liked the story. Way too happy, and life isn’t like that. Especially in a post apocalyptic world. And they keep sucking rovers dick non stop, like he/she just appeared out of nowhere and suddenly saved everyone like what- And the story in general just feels bland and boring, at least at the start. But that’s my opinion, feel free to disagree.

[@AndrewSnake]

That what kinda got me away from the game, plus my set up and burn out of another open world and action on top.... I should like if the character have more to them, like in beta how the red hair doesn't trust Rover and need to earn her respect.... I once ask once what ship are out there that doesn't have Rover in it, and most feel like you just mention the people who are just co-workers...

[@WuWaArchive]

Again. A western PROBLEM. Literally all of Asia don’t give AF. Hell it won best story In HK.

[@Lesturn]

I never had an issue with WUWA’s story tbh, kinda enjoying it so far

[@r0_ve1]

People in Asia don’t gaf because 99% of them are male players. Their lives revolves around glorifying pixels what do you think?

[@himekosbrokensword]

cs theyre incels im asian and i hate the story pgr was great wuwa is ass stop using "western problem" as a argument its too catered to incels

[@WuWaArchive]

@@himekosbrokensword you’re the minority so STFU

[@TopTOBiiiii]

Who tf cares a problem is a problem

[@parametersisabanger]

Rover's harem?? hmm, you saying it like it a bad thing 😏

[@deathgun_2xero670]

It's a win win brother 😌

[@LayDewayne]

It getting boring bro Just like the doom and gloom in jinjho

[@parametersisabanger]

@@LayDewayne speak for urself, i enjoyed it :)

[@markedone494]

@@parametersisabanger If youre an incel, of yourse you do, its designed for people like you… The thing is, most of us want wuwa to be popular… And thats not happening if the writting is all about chicks falling to their knees for you.

[@Courtzz_e]

It is a bad thing idk bro maybe gonoutside

[@DarkHowlerz]

It feels forced, and unatural. I feel like I'm playing a yuri harem game at this point. 😅

[@Leenazrri]

Don't worry bro they won't change it the majority at eastern love the story the way it is 😊

[@Sthhuihryjbtijhuijnn]

Carlotta story gonna save the game trust

[@Metalalloy45]

In Carlotta we trust

[@Courtzz_e]

Let’s hope

[@larsfordan5550]

For me wuthering waves focuses on the fighting itself rather than the story. I'd better watch a film if I want to watch or read the lore.

[@flainn6464]

Too bad, Carlotta drip description just said she is Rover's next wife

[@mohammadamaan3140]

Heard voice lines leaked as well and guess what? She is a rover simp

[@r0_ve1]

There’s a skip button for a reason lmao

[@flainn6464]

@@r0_ve1 A skip button are not a solution to avoid cringe stories. The cringe still in the game regardless you skip it or not.

[@r0_ve1]

@@flainn6464 it kind of helps though but still I get your point!

[@ShiroYuu_00]

(I hope my word not hurting anyone who read it) - first, mention bianca and watanabe from pgr already bad example, why? because they are not have special interaction or any relationship, bianca was saved by watanabe squad in the past before meet skk and.. thats it (I would agree if you are talking about nanami and watanabe) - second, comparing main quest with companion story was bad example to. Main quest have longer duration, more deep lore and more details problem in the core of story (Im sure you already know what is the purpose of companion story, right?) - third, changli and camellya companion story absolutly have different approach with different message and morality. One has a third party intermediary who is involve in the main problem, the other one involving of deleted memories with a deep complex situation - fourth, i don't know what kind of "harem" you are talking about but it can be very subjective - and the last one its just my personal opinion, WuWa story still not reach the best part yet because its still in the world recognition phase, but somehow I see some people too distracted by character traits without paying attention to the point of the story anyway.. if you still really have problem with that stuff? my suggestion to keep fill out the survey with the feedback you have ✌

[@r0_ve1]

The harem part is because of the overbearing female/ male character ratio. I think adding current and confirmed playable characters (excluding the rover) is 20 female characters against 7 male characters

[@ShiroYuu_00]

@r0_ve1 ahh.. so its about ration? Well then I have no word for that, especially we talking about kurogame here. Even pgr have same situation but hey.. at least I can tell every male character both in pgr & wuwa? Its always got special treatment 😂

[@Markeveli237]

I returned to Wuwa lately to catch up with the story and it's still just bland despite the great gameplay and graphics. I wish they really make characters that feel human and not rover simps

[@tudoot]

Tbh, as much as I enjoy the game I couldn't care less about the story, it's like it's not even there. I just skip the dialogs

[@Doro-bashi]

Hmmmm that "problem" somehow seems to exist only in the English communities The Spanish community doesn't have that narrative, and tropes aren't that bad, but some people use them to Nitpick on Wuthering Waves to spread negativity or intentionally talk down about the whole game

[@kazuyakanbara1395]

Only in the western community Some SEA community has some problems but not with MC being liked but with low number of Male characters so, yea only the western community wants the Mc to be a sign of hatread for everyone and have no girls like him haha

[@kazuyakanbara1395]

Haha, "Rover's Harem," huh? That's a funny way to put it! It really shows how some people might not be paying attention to the story. Just to set the record straight, most of the characters in Wuwa aren't actually in love with Rover. Shorekeeper is about the only one officially in love with Rover, you can also include Zhezhi, and Yangyang-though it's still a bit of a stretch as it isn't directly implied. And then there's Camellya; she likes Rover, but honestly, she'd rather be fighting him than dating him! So, I really think players should take a moment to actually read the story before jumping to conclusions or complaining about things that aren't really issues. It would make the whole experience way more enjoyable.

[@TopTOBiiiii]

Bro, who cares if it's officially announced that they like him or not??? They all act the same way and have the same opinion about Rover. So repetitive

[@kazuyakanbara1395]

@@TopTOBiiiii don't like it don't play it The Skip button also exists It's not like they're paying you to play 🙄

[@Zephyrion22]

A story in a game/movie etc is not just text. It's presentation. And just because things aren't clearly said doesn't mean they don't exist. Like we talk about girls, but any sane person looking at the end of Yao's festival quest with a beeg close-up, his faint smile, and the promise of a reunion under the moonlight...you know there's at least a hint of something in there. Now that's not a problem in itself, at all. The problem lies in most quests dropping that kind of hint, in a very similar manner, with a very similar timing. These moments are supposed to feel special, but if you don't do anything to make them very distinct from each other, it just becomes "Oh, this is the moment of the patch with the featured character that's suppose to tickle my feelings...would have worked if it wasn't done following the exact same formula for the 5th time." It's also what contributes to the vision of a harem that is not there in practice/lore-wise. People are very receptive to patterns, and because the same pattern is used, regardless of the actual feelings they want to depict, well people will just chalk it to "hey, look it's another love interest !"

[@creativedia]

@@kazuyakanbara1395the thing is: WHY does everybody actually LIKE Rover. Every single character does and it makes me tired tbh😭😭 I love wuwa’s chars but ehh it’s boring sometimes.

[@TopTOBiiiii]

@@kazuyakanbara1395 Soo if we don't like something in a game for valid reasons, we just let it be? How are yall different from the genshin fandom? Well no, I'll keep sharing my opinion and having discussions with the community

[@thereisnotenoughalice]

I don't get it. Is story where actually everyone trying to kill MC (even if they are not evil) is good? I don't think so, I'm better for harem with female MC and many other girls cause that cute and funny. Someone can not be agree with me, but this is only my opinion.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

Its more financially rewarding for Kuro as well.

[@thereisnotenoughalice]

@@silverhawkscape2677 True

[@Metalalloy45]

Undertale be like

[@Ew-wth]

Yall so fucking fragile, jesus christ. Read a book.

[@Gheniel_]

@@Metalalloy45 lmfaoo

[@Prodigal450]

You should create a game. I mean you know how wuwa story should be more than it's own devs

[@Courtzz_e]

Criticizing the game for it to be better. lit most people ALRDY complained about the story stop dick riding just because u watch isekai 24/7 its boring

[@Courtzz_e]

Did u see the cbt?? If it weren’t for criticism we would get that ass character design and dull background. Criticism improves the game learn Kuro shill stop tryna kill the game

[@Prodigal450]

@Courtzz_e are you an idiot? Did you listen to what this cc said? Stop responding without knowing ehy i said what i said, it makes you look like an asshole

[@ashiqprio2485]

People can't even express their opinion cause of you people. Just giving criticisms doesn't mean they just outright hate the game but instead they want the game to be better. Like how parents scold their kids not cause they hate them, but cause they want their kid's best

[@Metalalloy45]

Imagine having an opinion am I right?

[@nagasolaire8462]

There's no story unfortunately in wuwa now. Literally, there's no plot. It's just rover meet his/her harem one by one and there's nothing happens, no story, no development, nothing. Every freaking patch is just 2 hours of glazing rover

[@silverhawkscape2677]

Not according to WuWa reddit. They are calling it better than Genshin. 😂

[@ChaseYu]

😅 so, people nowadays doesn’t understand the meaning of «main character» isn’t it? Also, if players picked the female Rover, does it consider as lesbian harem? 🤣

[@Ew-wth]

You've never read a book my guy. A main character doesn't have to be this cringe harem self insert shit. Most main characters are in fact not that. Only if all you've ever read is cheap ass gacha stories or fan fiction would you say this. And you're out here trying to explain to us what a main character is. LOL. 🤡

[@cypureisreallybusy]

you hear me out. i was also repelled by rover glazing too. but now that i think of it its actually good. in hoyo games there are ships containing playable characters and not with MCs. so im fine with the route WuWa is taking its nothing new. Rover is meant to be a self-insert. majority love it and i aint complaining. if you hate it that much you should play other games. or just accept the direction and play the game. but i really want to see playable characters backstories that doesn't include us (rover) for learning more abt them.

[@MoonLight-mf1fe]

Oh yeah, the problem of the wuwa community, instead of taking criticism you always say "if you don't like it then leave" which isn't helping in anything

[@cypureisreallybusy]

@@MoonLight-mf1fe so your hoping the dev would reject the majority of players experience and cater to minority? that's how you lose players.

[@MoonLight-mf1fe]

@@cypureisreallybusy Majority? You got me laughing. The majority doesn't even care how the story goes, we are both in different sides of a minority.

[@cypureisreallybusy]

@@MoonLight-mf1fe huh? then why put story in their game in the first place? thats stupid argument. your playing a game and hating it because its not going in your way? the devs are gonna do what they enjoy. i played their previous game and they do the exact same route and players didnt cry abt that then why should the bother with wuwa players?

[@MoonLight-mf1fe]

@@cypureisreallybusy You've answered your own question, they did it because it worked in their previous game. And unlike you guys, I don't play a game I don't like, that's why I play wuwa, cuz I really love it and giving criticism is also a way of showing love. As for the last, you really comparing wuwa and pgr? Wuwa got more fame, money and helped kuro get the recognition they deserve.

[@Moussecakess]

The only one who doesn't see any problem with the story are dumb people that I bet never ever read an entire book in their lives. Cause even if they wanted romance. It should not be this shitty. The only ppl who love this are self insert lonely dudes. Period.

[@marshallwhite202]

Dude if you are going to censor your cursing dont use a stupid as bass vibrating sound it is really irritating when wearing headphones. If not then dont curse at all cuzz u didnt even censor everything so wtf was the point genius

[@shexeashexea6185]

The main character gets criticized just for being the main character. And no, not every character is in love with Rover. They all respect him, which is perfectly natural since he is a very important figure. Shorekeeper is in love with him, which makes sense.. they spent a lot of time together in early Black Shores. Camellya's feelings aren't exactly love it's more of an obsession. Yangyang is just an honest and kind girl that's how she’s always been, trying to help everyone in her story. Rover is the main character, and it makes total sense for him to be at the center of everything. Also, 1.1 was about Jinhsi. Plus, it's not like pointless stuff is happening we’re actually making progress toward regaining our memories. No one’s just telling us, 'Go ask this person, they might know,' or 'Go there, they might know.' As the story progresses, we’re genuinely learning things about the main character

[@CHIPSSALTY]

Yes, Rover has a big enough harem. 3 or 4 girl is is max. Over that, it becomes a comedy. Not everyone has to like Rover. People work together even if they don't like each other. Be creative in the story. Zani for example might be a Succubus. This leaves a lot of room for story telling. Demons that hunted humans for generations now works with humans against Tacet Discords. Why? Mutual benefits? Humans asking demons for protection in exchange for giving them weekly human sacrifices to eat? Etc

[@silverhawkscape2677]

Deal with it. This is about Rover Harem. Stop pushing your Western ideas into a story made by Chinese Devs that cater now to a CN and JP audience. You westerners have an overblown Idea of how much you contribute to sales. Global includes Japan as well who love Harems. And both CN and JP outsell you. You want a story without harems? Go back to Hoyoverse.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

Zani being a demon wanting sacrifices is a no no in China.

[@ExDik1]

😂 kuro story kuro games

[@DeivaxGD]

There are only 3 characters maximum 4 that are established almost practically have feelings for the MC. The rest are just friendly. Only because of 4 (max) characters... Camellia thing was known from the beginning, the Shorekeeper thing was unexpected and the Changli thing, well, i saw it more as respect for a master personally. But they are only 3 out of many. The characters' stories don't really revolve around the mc that much, they use the mc more as someone who had a major influence on them. But come on man, Mc being the founder of Black Shore, you're going to tell me that the story shouldn't involve the mc a lot if we talking about members of the Black Shore.

[@Courtzz_e]

before yk it rover is going to form the whole world like we alrdy knew he was gonna be some dam founder its repetive were only in 1.4 keep that in mind btw. and ye we dont like how rover has an influence on lit every living walking object