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[@HybridVAudio]

:)

[@vengefuldevil5195]

Every flight model change has triggered months worth of salt.... yet still here we are. Imagine that.

[@cprn.]

That's because SC is good regardless of the bad flight model. Flying is about 30% of that game and that part became unplayable for most. The rest is still fun. For me the rating dropped from Overwhelmingly Positive to Positive going by Steam standards.

[@Norman_Peterson]

months? lol YEARS

[@GunShocka]

In a Space Dog fight, Astroid always wins

[@house382]

Ditto for engineering. A single person can drive a bus as long as they maintain it properly. While a large plane or sea ship needs an actual crew to properly manage. SC will be no different in its engineering, people are just scared of what they don't know.

[@davewills6121]

Not scared.......denial, never mind though, the ''penny will drop'' quick enough, nothing like a raging fire in a solo Carrack, when your surrounded

[@Norman_Peterson]

NO. People have spent thousands of dollars on ships, and now they're realizing they can't fly them themselves for rides and screenshots to put on social media. Soon there will be a nice "skimming" of those who haven't understood what game this is.

[@davewills6121]

@@Norman_Peterson You forgot ''braggin rights'', '' i can't wait to live it my life in the verse in my BMM'', well now they can....in their hangar. Tuff luv

[@Mr_Beaubles]

It's the first iteration of a major change. I personally don't mind the changes, but it's safe to assume they are going to refine and tweak it more till people are happy. Just be patient and give thoughtful, meaningful feedback.

[@osuave7811]

Best positive advice. 👍

[@Qwarzz]

Change is what can keep a game interesting. Of course in this case it's just developement as really nothing in SC is ready for now.

[@Citizen-Nurseman]

Spectrum is a hive of scum and villainy, nothing makes that monster happy.

[@BradAhrens]

I would not be surprised to find myself agreeing with the criticisms, but I intend to ignore all of them and formulate my own opinion as a 6-year SC vet with an open mind. Unfortunately, without Quantum Boost, Control Surfaces, properly functional ship components like coolers and power plants, and Maelstrom / Ship Armor, we're only getting half of the equation, so feedback is moot in some ways. There's also the ship Blades and AI crew that will completely change everything AGAIN in the future. This is once again...just the beginnning.

[@Bootchair]

The way I see it is MM is a lot like 2.6 FM. When they changed to the current (soon to be gone) flight model. This very same thing was happening. Now everyone got complacent with it and now that it’s changing again people are throwing fits. Adjustments are greatly needed. But it should shape into a better PvP experience down the road.

[@finalform11]

do you remember the date of when we got 2.6?

[@eltreum1]

I haven't tried all my ships yet on MM but liking it so far in PTU. I can't wait for the salt when atmo model is in and perma hovering huge ships is over and VTOL focused ships will have value.

[@Platinumsniper]

NGL I have concerns about master modes. But I have been giving it a go since it was put in testing on AC and when it was put into PU on evo. I still have concerns like how it seems to dumb down space combat, but I have some faith that it will be ironed out.

[@jonathaneskew9878]

this. still dont like how artificial it feels. i wish the scm wasnt a hard limit but instead capped your accceleration rate into the red zone.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

It's also going to drastically change again with flight control surfaces, engineering, and Maelstrom.

[@gyratingwolpertiger6851]

When you're building a flight model, you start with the foundation, not the advanced aspects if you will

[@IceCall]

I have currently a lot of fun flying with the master mode in EPTU, especialy in combat. In space, I found the ships flying more natural with a true effectiveness of main thrusters versus those used for maneuver making the orientation/aspect of ships mouvement more readable. The drift is still there but more reduced, less weird from my point of view. Chasing a target is now less exotic and bring a gaming experience more what it is expected from a space ship simulation (less real or not). Yes change provide fears for players who are comfortable in the current FM because of the invest spends. They will have to learn again but I'm not worried for them at all, they will survive...😊

[@13TH_Armada_Bavar]

Got to love the AC line when the devs themselves have said player counts are up for it.

[@bobL761]

I saw this exact same level of fallout going on when I first bought Star Citizen back when 3.14 was in the PTU. It’s what quickly taught me to avoid Spectrum like the plague. Out of curiosity though, I took a look at some of the feedback on MM, and I legit recognize some of the names of people who were doom and glooming about the flight/combat model introduced in 3.14 (the current model in 3.22). Those very same people are now spearheading the doom and gloom about Master Modes, and acting like the model they hated 2.5 years ago is the best thing ever. These guys truly embody the title of this video.

[@EdrickV]

When it comes to dogfighting and such, I haven't used either flight model enough to really have an opinion either way. I do suspect that it's a step towards a more game like system and away from realism, but I can't say for sure (I can't see the future) and I don't necessarily have an issue with that. My worries are that Master Modes and stuff like Distribution Centers and cargo missions will make it impossible for non-combat focused ships to get away from combat in some situations (say in atmosphere) and thus turn 3.23 into the piracy/griefer update. Granted, things will change over time, but from what I've seen, they're not exactly all that quick when it comes to balancing stuff. And I suspect they have not put as much effort into balancing/tuning the non-combat focused ships as they have those built for combat. Another thing I'm not looking forward to is my ships losing the distinctiveness of their flight models, since at 3.23 launch most ships will only have basic tuning, and who knows how many years it'll take for them to go through and fully tune each ship. (I expect "Ship x MM tuning pass when?" to join the calls for gold standard passes, because I'm sure once 3.23 is out, ship tuning will take a backseat to other priorities.) Right now, the C1 and Freelancer MAX fly very differently, for example, but with MM I suspect they will share an architype and thus may fly almost identically. But I don't know for sure. On the other hand, the Vulture (which might even share the same architype) might actually fly better. I also don't like the fact that combat focused, and non-combat focused ships are treated the same when it comes to MM tuning, because in a combat or potential combat situation, their goals would be diametrically opposite, and the flight tuning should take that into account.

[@OrionKaelinClips]

I have some problems with MM but it feels more down to balancing what they've done rather than having ruined anything in particular. The precision mode does feel weird when MM was meant to bring combat closer so adding a "sniping" feature to ships seems a bit odd. Then the time to resume highspeed flight after QT-ing somewhere feels a bit clunky and feel the transition should happen a bit faster than the initial switch into NAV mode. But for the msot part they changes feel like they were in a good direction and I just have to get used to them now and help provide feedback to balance it out going forward.

[@achildofbodom1]

My only concern involving MM is industrial ships. They can't fend for themselves, and usually have a fat shield as a means to get the hell outta dodge and remain intact if an attack were to take place. From what I have seen, the only way to leave this situation is going into nav mode and dropping your shields. Industrial work is dead in the water, and easy pickings with no way out. Aside from my massive concern for anything industrial. Combat seems...fine? But I don't really live and breathe combat, mostly PVP. I do think people making MM the end of the world is goofy, but there's definitely going to be some growing pains.

[@mike_d_melb_music_fan5229]

It may well enhance combat, but if I want to quietly mine/salvage/trade , it's puts me at risk if ; A) nav mode turns my shields off B) I can't even get to nav mod for 10 seconds until my quantum spools up (as I understand it) Will I be able to travel quickly over planet surfaces searching for minables efficiently , and still have shields on ?

[@LucidStrike]

The hawk can make quick work of the rabbit, and so the rabbit must itself be swift - and alert. Folks too often wait until they're being shot at before trying to escape sus contacts. Maybe now they'll exercise better judgment. 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@ezuwua]

Been spamming MM in arena commander and enjoying it so far. Tho I gotta say the slowed up speeds is a little too slow and a little tweaking would b nice

[@fairq6063]

I think that MM is just cleaner, but I do see both sides of it

[@Sir_f4ttius]

At the end of the day, it’s a damn game. Is really worth the energy spent getting so upset.

[@JourneymanJohn]

Sweet baby Jesus, that ending 😂

[@Techigai]

My test gameplay has always been walking around and hauling garbage. I don't think I'll be able to notice the difference.

[@variant78]

@hybrid is there alot of adjustments needed for sticks users as in setting up the new system on like HOSAS.

[@bearcommando]

As you've shown here, it's great for combat. Totally agree, SQ42 is gonna be great. However anyone doing non combat activities, in the current MM state, is pretty hosed when they get attacked (even by NPCs)

[@Chooie6]

The current system definitely has some huge problems so i welcome the changes and understand that as they are now it's not their final form.

[@thechroniclesofcriss942]

Doom OST goes with everything, Star Citizen edition also, who would win in a fight between a vanguard and a reliant? the asteroid, of course!

[@WookieeRage]

lol I don't recall that in game soundtrack!

[@parkerxgps8101]

this cargo runner fears having to wait for s3 shields to discharge and recharge. May just run sans shield in nav mode. Unless the atmo binds me down enough. Gonna be something.

[@luistigerfox]

at least good news that nav mode only banks your shield energy. So they come back up real quick when you swap to SCM mode. Not like having to wait for normal charge times.

[@Martin-sx4bx]

I'm not gonna lie. I'm not good pilot enough to have a solid opinion about the old system or about the MM. I will do like I have always done. To live my space life in my side of the verse.

[@davewills6121]

Then Stanton is you space, kinda like a sunday drive compared to Pyro

[@watchoutbinzillazabout5960]

i just dont like that its gone from feeling like a sim to feeling like an arcade game all the outlines and red boxes .... i want none of that but nvm only my dreams of a realistic space sim being mutilated by arcade mechanics/ui

[@mariuskraft3155]

Fear of change is inherit in Man…

[@Hav0k]

I love this. Keep it up, Hybrid!

[@lumarious]

Can't wait to try it

[@Casbelu]

Cite a viewpoint, and then make a hodgepodge supercut of combat.....what a logically sound and intellectually engaging rebuttle.....

[@ulvemann43]

MM is great fun in combat, but out of combat the switching to NAV feels clunky. With some tweaks to how NAV works and switching between them, this'll be good shit. And gimballed turrets is so damn nice.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

I see people say NAV is clunky, but I've been watching Even Lease and he switches smoothly with the scroll wheel. It's no different than clutching and switching gears manually in a sim racer.

[@ulvemann43]

@@Billy-bc8pk Switching modes in MM takes 10+ seconds.

[@Billy-bc8pk]

@@ulvemann43 No, switching is instant. But you can't make full use of QT or weapons until the switch is final. The time it takes to switch is also based on the component -- QT grades and types determine how long it takes.

[@ulvemann43]

@@Billy-bc8pk That's pedantics.

[@BestShifty]

The people in the comments that don´t get the doom reference are just as hillarious as their opinions about MM.

[@Karachsingstrue]

Rock on, dude.

[@_lepvs_]

to be honest, the combat aspect isn't the problem with MM. The rest of it is kind of meh at the moment, but we'll see how things progress

[@Inventive15]

Slower speeds mean no jousting through the combined envelope. We force stack now, like real warfare.

[@Omi221k]

Yea wait till dead of spaceman come through … u guys will have different tone … as of right now master mode is all about being a turret gunner in a fighter ship and aim duel .there is barely any evasion. Good luck getting gank by group of player and not being able to escape

[@Omi221k]

Don’t get me wrong I like the slower speed …. But slower speed shouldn’t come at cost of evasion … I understand I shouldn’t be able 1v 5 ppl in my light or med fighter but if I’m the better pilot I should be able to dance arnd ppl in 1v3 or at least in 1v2. The whole game just got put on wheelchair ♿️…… no depth behind it. For example Landing used to take skill …. Now ur automatically capped at 50 scm speed soon u take out ur landing gear to make it easy for ppl to land that how bad is the handicap.

[@bharatsharma3233]

@@Omi221k yep. People being happy about MM* right now will cry later when they won't be able to escape

[@Omi221k]

@@bharatsharma3233 mean have u seen some of the Reddit post ? Avg Ppl that are playing eptu already crying about how bad master mode and how they’re not able to escape. I’m just waiting for master mode to hit live and see more ppl bitching about it and say told u so

[@bharatsharma3233]

@@Omi221k didn't see the reddit posts yet but it makes sense. They were just happy that the fighter jocks were annoyed. And now the proverbial penny drops. MM makes sense in space quake..err.. arena commander or in single player. But it will be a pain in the PU. along with the fps dumb-down

[@pvtspartan]

Molasses Modes

[@andyandreson3989]

Change is always difficult. But so far I’m not feeling good about master modes. I really hope that changes in time.

[@BboyCorrosive]

🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘

[@DamonCzanik]

Preach! It wouldn't be Star Citizen without the community overreacting about something. Every flight model change In the past decade has brought the same statements. Fact is, it is impossible to please everyone. Let them cook. There is no perfect solution. Gyarentee you, some things will change. Players will adapt. Light fighters and racers should not dominate.

[@DaMatth]

finally. a worthy "when the doom music kicks in"! 07

[@unlimitedslash]

I don't think master modes where the solution, they could just simply enable different speed limiters that you could swap on the fly depending on what you wanna do, similar to how you can now setup your max speed manually, but with hotkeys, or make it part of the power triangle, what do you wanna do? more firepower? speed? or shields? And change your entire piloting experience based on the power setup. Instead of "hardlocked" modes like master modes, the fact that nav mode completely disables your shields, instead of for example simply disabling their regen, or slowing it down hard, makes trying to flee a fight even more dangerous than staying in it, it's beyond stupid. I personally feel like i have to try master modes more, but overall i don't like them so far.

[@davewills6121]

You can dream all you like, MM's is here to stay, and its awesome

[@gargenall8161]

All the space dads want is to press one button to go from point a to point b over and over.

[@EroBE14]

To be fair, I still believe this Master Modes sytems as it is is shit. But anyways, gotta Improvise, Adapt and Overcome.

[@asog88]

How is the arrow?

[@epicfailville4091]

Honestly, after playing master modes for a bit in arena commander, I kinda hate how floaty the old flight system feels. Master modes just feels so much tighter to me in combat.

[@papascronch]

Lol it just needs a little more tuning, people are always gonna get upset over change.

[@UneedTherapist]

For pve, MM is fine. For pvp, it should be changed than current state lol

[@akumaspectre]

impressiv

[@DeanIronstar]

Yeah, I never get it.... people been bitching about the current flight model for years, here comes a new one and they defend the old one like it's the holy grail all of a sudden.... not the first time this has happened either... lets see....hover mode.... full flight model revamp at least 3X I know of.... they had a good thing going way back in some of the very early Arena Commanders... but the magic stop and park in atmosphere for hours on end just wherever.... they gonna defend that.... because its a Sim.... lol. Bring on Master Modes, these goofballs will whine it into shape, just ask them they will tell ya! lol

[@jchacon103]

Hybrid V is BASED

[@indivestor]

based on what? base > past tense: based; past participle: based; adjective: -based 1. use (something specified) as the foundation or starting point for something. "the film is based on a novel by Pat Conroy"

[@kane-111]

@@indivestor Based on deez nuts

[@osuave7811]

@@indivestor I hated when my English teacher is in the house. Wrong platform .

[@Storm-Cleaver]

I normally love your content. But this is the first time I feel you've earned the "thumbs down". I didn't want to do nothing and gimp your engagement for the algorithm. I don't fear MM for what it does to PVP combat in AC or the PU... I'm pissed off that, for the sake of MM, they made all the other ships that _aren't_ light fighters un-fucking-fun to fly. In a game that is 100% about flying space ships. I don't give two shits about how it affects you flying a Gladius. My Freelancer MIS, my Kickstarter ship, is so old that it's basically untouched. My 325a, my second ship, is an interceptor and apparently the absolutely broken meta in 3.23. But I mostly fly S4 and S5 ships... And unless you're a Corsair owner, I'm not, you just got fucked by MM. The 400i's been kneecapped so fucking hard that, even with the XL-1, my 325a will still beat it in-game, because as soon as you leave QT, you're slow as fucking frozen shit. The 600i Explorer, instead of being a sleek, nimble, and most importantly _fast_ explorer from Origin is a dead and bloated narwhal that flies with all the grace of, literally, a _Hull-fucking-C._ Until they're done "rebalancing" their "archetypes"... Soon™. Fuck that. I'll be back to flying my Freelancer and I don't even know if I'll even Deliver most of my other ships in 3.23. It's fucking bullshit.

[@cparty7790]

I love this so much. It's funny the same people that are bitching about MM now, were the same people a few months back that were practically begging for MM...

[@Jezato]

This is just MasterModes tier 0, can't wait to see what it's like for a full 1.0 release.

[@major3336]

I don’t see the point really. Can’t say yae or nae that I like it or that it’ll be good for the game. Too early. All I care to have is peripheral cameras on my hud when I switch to a “landing” mode and the weapons to be concealed and have a deploying animation like on Elite Dangerous when I want to go to combat mode.

[@amigo3284]

“Save me Tom Cruise” lol I love MM, best thing to happen. Needs some tweaking but it doesn’t need to be drastic. Makes decisions making all that more important. Start a fight and it goes wrong you better have something to fall back on cause it’s harder to run away.

[@soleenzo893]

More like hybRIP¨N TEAARRRRRRR V Audio

[@Shanex250]

Haven't even got my hands on master modes yet, seen all the hate threads, and seen the videos and would still take it over the shit we have now. To sum it up perfectly, people just fear change and don't see the end goal for Star citizen, they just want to keep the "now". If we listened to all the nay sayers and complainers the game would still be at 2.6 as a released game. Master modes currently is just missing features that it needs to fully flesh it out but it is still a step in the right direction and it will be iterated on, but the devs had to come to a consensus on what the flight model was supposed to be because this is like the 3rd or 4th iteration of "the flight model". I needs to be the final with upgrades and updates.

[@PPG.888]

LOL

[@versegen2]

W Hybrid V take, Master Modes is a ton of fun (if not a liiiittle but underbaked)

[@cprn.]

The old flight model is arcadey and really not good but the new one is plain laughable.

[@bharatsharma3233]

It's not change that we fear. The problem is that MM kills the feeling of flight in space. It feels more like WW2 fighters in space, being able to strafe like a CS player in 6DOF. It dumbs down space flight and combat. Instead, CIG should have just penalised high G turns (jousting and 180 flips) simply on account of the strain on the airframe. At least there's joy in decoupled in the current PU flight model. Your target can run away and they can coordinate engagements, making it difficult for you (try any PvP spots in the PU and you know what I am talking about). And that's perfectly all right because space combat needs to be different from atmospheric combat. Vacuum does not slow you down and your ship artificially slowing you down is a very 90s era space combat trope. I agree that the new sounds, boost effects make you feel like a badass (hence the Doom music choice) but it almost feels non-Newtonian. Yes, your IFCS is handling the controls but physics should be paramount. CIG is going for high realism in some areas, and gimmicks in others (like the "scope glint" at night ... geez). I feel that the target audience is changing to a much simpler type which just craves flashy visuals, rather than deep immersion.

[@MSFTJustice]

Wait, CIG goal was always wanting to make the combat feel like WW2 fighter combat. So.... what you are saying is they are achieving that?

[@bharatsharma3233]

@@MSFTJustice That's what it feels like. And that's fine for atmospheric combat (but even that needs a lot of work ... ships are only aerodynamic from the front, not when flying back or strafing). But does it really make sense in space? Vacuum and micro-gravity? Your roll, strafe, yaw, pitch rates are all down to your thrusters. And if your thrusters can hold your weight AND give you high acceleration in a gravity field, that's plenty of thrust to flip you like a coin. MM slows things down a lot.

[@MSFTJustice]

@@bharatsharma3233 I didn't realize so many enjoy the current combat mode. However, as for what makes sense in space, fighter themselves don't make sense

[@thumpertron]

@@bharatsharma3233 It doesn't have to make sense, it's a video game. Realistic space combat is insanly boring and complex, no one but a handful of people will play it. You have to remember that they're making a game for a general audience whose idea of space combat is lasers and dogfights, people want to have fun, not feel like they need an education in physics in order to figure out how to fly a spaceship.

[@bharatsharma3233]

@@thumpertron you misunderstand. The reason I talk about space flight not feeling that way is because dumbing down flight also brings down the skill ceiling and subsequently what you can practice and learn. If you have people hitting that skill ceiling easily, then you won't have much to learn or aspire to. And i know it's a game. I just feel that MM is a step back rather than evolving the flight model further. By having a deep and detailed flight model, with easy assists from the IFCS, you get the best of both worlds. People flying with the IFCS for like a modern aircraft but turn it off and you can go full Newtonian. Ever played Elite Dangerous? Flight Assist OFF does that, but even Elite suffers from the artificial slowdown in space after boost. That is not intuitive. It makes sense in atmosphere but why in vacuum, with nothing to slow you down?

[@Gm-ce5kg]

spectrum : we want progress in devellopment ! CIG : * does devellopment * spectrum : its shite and its gonna ruin everything ! go back as it was before, we dont want change actually ! rinse and repeat, very grateful for myself to have made the oath to never come back on this cursed platfrom ever again

[@SHenanegenz]

Backed the game in 2014 and have 0 posts on Spectrum.. Its a cesspool.. always has been.

[@brandonlt6434]

Lets be real here doom music mixed with a bunch of short clips that lack context can look good no matter the flight model. Im still forming what i feel about MM but this vid really doesnt prove anything.

[@terrandysart3587]

Boomers are the only ones complaining about master modes. “Oh no they changed the system that is 12 years old. It’s so much more intuitive and fun now. The game is dead!😵 “

[@alandab]

Sounds like someone has some "daddy" issues.

[@osuave7811]

Not surprising

[@alandab]

Loud music and fancy cuts are simply propaganda. I still don't like MM's.

[@gamerguy9836]

yeah slow non interactive combat model, no shields in quantum, yeah wtf are they smoking id like to know. big dislike from me bro and unsub.

[@osuave7811]

If you only knew what's coming in October. 🧐🤫

[@ShadowOfHistory-wn1xh]

Random vomit of short cuts with music is smh an argument, or?

[@Bootchair]

Smug comment, discarded. Cry more

[@1aatlas]

Cheer up Mr Poopy pants. 🤘🤘

[@Gm-ce5kg]

correct sir.

[@osuave7811]

​@1aatlas Yeah. Misery loves company. Can't be part of that. A positive attitude is the key 🔑 moving that allows forward movement.

[@ShadowOfHistory-wn1xh]

@@osuave7811 Good to know that people around have about 0 capacity for critical thinking and flashy moving image is enough for them to form an opinion on the subject.

[@FerrowTheFox]

Yeah wow, montage with music...MM is still a horrible flight model and kills all my enjoyment of SC. It dumbs down piloting with arbitrary forced modes, is unfit for a 6DOF space sim and makes space feel even less like the medium it should be.

[@Deno2100]

thank you

[@thumpertron]

Don't play the game then? and maybe go away?

[@FerrowTheFox]

@@thumpertron Wow great reply! Don't criticize the direction of the game you helped fund and just go away. That's exactly why we have forums and comment sections, to NOT give feedback! Just remember your advice for when something you like changes for the worse. On a less sarcastic note, MM goes against a big part of what was pitched that's why so many vets are unhappy about it. Also, it's not like they didn't already try something like MM YEARS ago and the majority of players hated it so much they scrapped it. But whatevs we're just in year 11, let's just go in circles!

[@Bootchair]

Tell me you you weren’t around for 2.6 without telling me. You were probably the drama queen that made that spectrum post

[@Gm-ce5kg]

@@FerrowTheFox ill let you know what is inscribed on the wall at manchester studio if you dont know it, the only constant in game devellopment well, it is change.

[@Norman_Peterson]

Because with the old they are "someone", with the new they go back to being "nobody" in their head. Every reference is coincidental ;)