The Open Forum Episode 61

Episode 61 of 'The Open Forum' where Christians, Atheists are invited to join the discussion. Guests will be invited on a first come first serve basis. Please note we can only have a maximum of 10 panelists (including efdawah panelists) at any one time.
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Intro
00:58 - EF Dawah Panel join: Format of the Stream
02:46 - Catching Up & Inviting Guests🎙️
03:52 - Issues with Reincarnation in Christianity ⚠️
12:55 - Problems with the Trinity ❌
28:59 - Divine Seeker joins & shares his beliefs 🗣️
31:34 - Discussion on 🇮🇱-🇵🇸 war: Zionists vs Jews
36:29 - History of the formation of 🇮🇱.
39:01 - Analysing Seeker's beliefs about religion 🔍
42:24 - God's name in Dead Sea Scrolls vs the Qur'an
58:16 - Issues with Seeker's claims & criteria 🚨
1:13:06 - Advice & Dawah to Seeker 📢
1:22:56 - Pastor Jason joins: No Audio 🔇
1:23:56 - Steve (Christian) joins
1:24:46 - Origin & Standardization of the Qur'an 📖
1:36:27 - History of Qur'an & Islam in the Hadith📔
1:45:03 - Compilation of the Qur'an 📚
1:52:00 - Canonization of the Bible vs the Qur'an ⚖️
1:56:02 - Double check of Qur'an's compilation ✅
2:04:46 - Steve's claims against the Qur'an 🗣️
2:06:57 - Refutation of Steve's claims 🙅🏻‍♂️
2:17:00 - Steve's arguments against the Qur'an 💬
2:19:16 - Debunking Steve's arguments ❌
2:21:51 - Discussion on issues with the Bible ⚠️
2:32:25 - Implications of the Bible's corruption 🚨
2:39:15 - Various contradictions in Christianity ⚠️
2:54:49 - Dawah to Seeker 📢
3:04:01 - Gemmes joins: Audio issues 🔉
3:05:14 - Confused (Muslim) joins
3:05:52 - Testimony of Faith in Islam explained ☪️
3:09:30 - Is only having belief enough for salvation?
3:19:33 - Counselling & Advising Confused💡
3:34:55 - Closing Remarks & Wrapping Up 🏁
MashaAllah ❤️💛💙
Brilliant Stream 👍🏻👌🏻
May Allah ﷻ bless you all and reward you for your efforts. 🤲🏻

[@JesusisaMuslim]

"If the world's problems were brought to the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ he would solve them all." - George Bernard Shaw

[@JesusisaMuslim]

"When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land." Jomo Kenyatta.

[@asadullahsaaid3794]

*Timestamps:* 00:00 - Intro 00:58 - EF Dawah Panel join: Format of the Stream 02:46 - Catching Up & Inviting Guests🎙️ 03:52 - Issues with Reincarnation in Christianity ⚠️ 12:55 - Problems with the Trinity ❌ 28:59 - *Divine Seeker joins* & shares his beliefs 🗣️ 31:34 - Discussion on 🇮🇱-🇵🇸 war: Zionists vs Jews 36:29 - History of the formation of 🇮🇱. 39:01 - Analysing Seeker's beliefs about religion 🔍 42:24 - God's name in Dead Sea Scrolls vs the Qur'an 58:16 - Issues with Seeker's claims & criteria 🚨 1:13:06 - Advice & Dawah to Seeker 📢 1:22:56 - *Pastor Jason joins:* No Audio 🔇 1:23:56 - *Steve (Christian) joins* 1:24:46 - Origin & Standardization of the Qur'an 📖 1:36:27 - History of Qur'an & Islam in the Hadith📔 1:45:03 - Compilation of the Qur'an 📚 1:52:00 - Canonization of the Bible vs the Qur'an ⚖️ 1:56:02 - Double check of Qur'an's compilation ✅ 2:04:46 - Steve's claims against the Qur'an 🗣️ 2:06:57 - Refutation of Steve's claims 🙅🏻‍♂️ 2:17:00 - Steve's arguments against the Qur'an 💬 2:19:16 - Debunking Steve's arguments ❌ 2:21:51 - Discussion on issues with the Bible ⚠️ 2:32:25 - Implications of the Bible's corruption 🚨 2:39:15 - Various contradictions in Christianity ⚠️ 2:54:49 - Dawah to Seeker 📢 3:04:01 - *Gemmes joins:* Audio issues 🔉 3:05:14 - *Confused (Muslim) joins* 3:05:52 - Testimony of Faith in Islam explained ☪️ 3:09:30 - Is only having belief enough for salvation? 3:19:33 - Counselling & Advising Confused💡 3:34:55 - Closing Remarks & Wrapping Up 🏁 MashaAllah ❤️💛💙 Brilliant Stream 👍🏻👌🏻 _May Allah ﷻ bless you all and reward you for your efforts._ 🤲🏻

[@EFDawah]

Jazak'Allahu Khairan Br Saaid

[@JesusisaMuslim]

"Christianity did not destroy paganism; it adopted it."

[@unclebhatti9296]

What a calm and informative stream this was. Very fortunate with guests with good manners of communication. In fact, info & discussion was respectfully conducted and made me hear this podcast twice. Jazakallahhi Kheir for such calm, to the point and precise approaches of the Efdawa team.

[@ibrehim101]

Steve was the epitome of how one can successfully use confirmation bias or cognitive dissonance 👍

[@abidashaikh6907]

Alhamdulillaah Brother Sadat joined this stream. It was refreshing to see him after a long time.

[@Mipsie]

I was just thinking I wish Sadat or Hamza would make a guest appearance on EFDawah and Sadat appears 👍I miss the OG crew

[@user-eq7sc4ob9p]

Sorry I am late but why did Sadat left

[@Mipsie]

@@user-eq7sc4ob9p I don't think Sadat was ever a permanent member of EFDawah. He was in many of the historicity and open forum streams in the early days though.

[@ibrehim101]

I totally miss the old old crew. I love listening to Sadat but the old panel on the perfect storm series was 🔥

[@user-eq7sc4ob9p]

Does anyone know what Imran and Sadat KZbin page ?

[@Mipsie]

@@user-eq7sc4ob9p Sadat that Canadian Brother. Dr Imran is Foundational Thoughts

[@JesusisaMuslim]

Another way to to refute Trinitarians is to ask them "if Jesus is god, then why is the Lord's prayer addressed only to the Father and not to to the son?" Its like as if Jesus is not want to be prayed or worshipped to.

[@ALzzanam]

جزاكم الله خيرا

[@homtanks7259]

JazakAllah'u khairan brothers 🇵🇸🤲🏻

[@JesusisaMuslim]

Romans: "We mixed paganism and monotheism and made Christianity."

[@turkialharbi]

جزاكم الله خير 🤍

[@JesusisaMuslim]

During an interview with Angelika Neuwirth, the distinguished Professor of Qur’anic studies, she argued that the Qur’an has never been successfully challenged by anyone, past or present: "No one has succeeded, this is right… I really think that the Qur’an has even brought Western researchers embarrassment, who were not able to clarify how suddenly in an environment where there were not any appreciable written text, appeared the Qur’an with its richness of ideas and its magnificent wordings."

[@abutalsafuba2179]

I think the panel completely missed what DivineSeeker was asking. He was not saying YHWH is a valid name and the Quran should have that name too. He was asking why does the Quran, which addresses the Jews for their many errors not either correct them on YHWH or validate it. The contemporary Jews at the time of Muhammad(saws) would have also used YHWH. That was the anomaly DS was asking about it i.e the absence of Allah addressing YHWH in the Quran since that is the central beliefs of the Jews. The simple answer would have been to say YHWH is not really a name therefore there is nothing to address regarding its validity or not. The Jews dont know the name of Allah, therefore take up any of the names Allah mentions about Himself in the Quran.

[@DivineSeeker1]

You've captured some of what I meant, but the panel missed the crucial point higlighted. Perhaps you can expand further on your answer. Just out of curiosity, do you view "Allah" as the specific proper noun name of God or simply as the Arabic term for God used as a title by Arabic-speaking Muslims, Christians, and Jews?

[@abutalsafuba2179]

@DivineSeeker1 Allah is a proper noun. I.e His name. When we pray we can say "Ya Allah' So we supplicate via his names.

[@DivineSeeker1]

@@abutalsafuba2179 Even though some Muslims argue it is a title I will not question your assertion that it is a proper noun. Cite the verse from the Quran which unequivocally designate the word Allah as a proper noun? Arabic speaking Jews along with the Pagan Arabs knew the word Allah, used as as a title the Arabic term for God, long before the advent of Christianity or Islam. Modern day Jews and Christians still use the word Allah as a title. Why is YHWH not really a name? And why would a Jew take any of the names of Allah when they worship YHWH?

[@abutalsafuba2179]

@DivineSeeker1 Allah is also a noun not just a proper noun. Literally means the God. The name Allah is understood to be a name by the fact that we can say 'Allahumma' which is to supplicate by Saying Allah. As grammatically saying 'Oh the God' is not possible. Also in the Quran Allah is used as a name as saying the God is not grammatically possible. Eg Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 115: وَلِلَّهِ الْمَشْرِقُ وَالْمَغْرِبُ فَأَيْنَمَا تُوَلُّوا فَثَمَّ وَجْهُ اللَّهِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ وَاسِعٌ عَلِيمٌ And Allah's is the East and the West, therefore, whither you turn, thither is Allah's purpose; surely Allah is Ample-giving, Knowing. If you replace Allah with The God, the sentence is grammatically unsound.

[@DivineSeeker1]

@@abutalsafuba2179 I am sure you are right. Thank you

[@JesusisaMuslim]

Napoleon Bonarparte was the Emperor of France. He desired Islamic rule in the West: “I hope the time is not far off when I shall be able to unite all the wise and educated men of all the countries, and establish a uniform regime based on the principles of the Quran, which alone are true, and which alone can lead men to happiness.” (Bonaparte et l’Islam, d’Après les Documents Français et Arabes, Christian Cherfils, Ed., Paris, France, 1914, pp. 105-125. Original References: Correspondance de Napoléon Ier. Tome 5) ......

[@IndoFahmi]

Divine Seeker should read the new book "Abraham Fulfilled" by Abu Zakariya, Adnan Rashid, Zakir Hussain.

[@DivineSeeker1]

Yes, strangely enough, I was in the process of signing up to download it when I was called up to join the panel. I've had the pleasure of meeting Adnan Rashid and Zakir Hussain, though I haven't yet had the opportunity to meet Abu Zakariya. Thank you.

[@zakadam154]

1:12:13 onwards. Hold on a second! Oh nooo! what's Dr. Imran saying, and why is Brother Abbas nodding in agreement? I can't believe the doctor fell for it. Just so you know, YHWH (יְהוָה) is mentioned in the Shema: *"Hear, O Israel, יְהוָה is our God, יְהוָה is One."*

[@fidelcatsro6948]

May Allah keeps us all guided ameen

[@SamSam-bt9fn]

I wish the brothers invited Truth seeker to Islam instead of going in circles...He showed interest in Islam

[@wackypeace1135]

There was something definitely off with him. I doubt he was Jewish.

[@deutscherKonvertiert]

Brother Jordan M back with EF Dawah wooow🥰🥰🥰🥰

[@JesusisaMuslim]

The 'Slave Bible' was a highly edited Bible produced in 1807 in London for use by African slaves. Two are held in the United Kingdom, and one is currently on view at the Museum of the Bible in Washington, D.C.

[@JesusisaMuslim]

Christians: Jesus came to me in a vision. Ex-Christians: I actually read the Bible.

[@JesusisaMuslim]

When the pagans say “Trinity is a mystery”, then you know they are ‘trained and programmed’ to use that as an excuse to not explain it.

[@maxmorris4562]

1:24:46 - Origins of the Qur'an 1:42:00, 1:43:12, 1:53:53, 2:13:57 2:21:51 - Discussion on issues with the Bible 2:26:42 2:28:15 2:39:15 - Various contradictions in Christianity 2:44:30

[@itisyouthatiadore]

The last guy confused just took his desire as his own god

[@umairakhtar6669]

2:43:09 What a hilarious comment by somebody 🤣..

[@JesusisaMuslim]

After I have read the Quran, I realized that all what humanity needs is this heavenly law. “The legislation of Quran will spread all over the world, because it agrees with the mind, logic and wisdom.” - Leo Tolstoy .

[@umairakhtar6669]

2:39:48 STEVE STEVE STEVE🤦🏽‍♂️..

[@djelalhassan7631]

When the time comes don't tell me I didn't WARN you !!!

[@umairakhtar6669]

BROTHER JORDAN 🫂🫂🫂..

[@JesusisaMuslim]

"Over the centuries, and even today, the Bible and Christian theology have helped justify the Crusades, slavery, violence against gays, and the murder of doctors who perform abortions. The words themselves are latent, inert, harmless - until they aren't." Amy Waldman.

[@umairakhtar6669]

2:38:56 STEVE has done what I was expecting he would do in the end out of arrogance. He has rejected his scriptures i.e, BIBLE.

[@yizzysblock]

Sincerely, what was the point of the first guy? Can someone explain plz?

[@JesusisaMuslim]

In the "Islam and the West" speech, King Charles lll talked about the misunderstanding in the west about Islam. "If there is much misunderstanding in the West about the nature of Islam, there is also much ignorance about the debt our own culture and civilisation owe to the Islamic world. It is a failure which stems, I think, from the straitjacket of history which we have inherited. The medieval Islamic world, from Central Asia to the shores of the Atlantic, was a world where scholars and men of learning flourished. But because we have tended to see Islam as the enemy of the West, as an alien culture, society and system of belief, we have tended to ignore or erase its great relevance to our own history." On how Christianity can learn from Islam, he says: "Islam can teach us today a way of understanding and living in the world which Christianity itself is the poorer for having lost. At the heart of Islam is its preservation of an integral view of the Universe." He added that Islam refuses to "separate man and nature, religion and science, mind and matter, and has preserved a metaphysical and unified view of ourselves and the world around us."

[@DefrimIsai]

@SteveChristian uses two different rules to measure the Bible and Quran.

[@JesusisaMuslim]

Ex-Christian, television personality, Amber Rose, speaking about the death of Jesus Christ, she said: “I just don’t believe that Jesus died and came back to life for my sins. I just believe that’s crazy. That’s ludicrous. I believe it’s manipulative."

[@HussainFahmy]

*_Christianity never adds up either by reason or logic._*

[@Smearfact]

Answer to the first caller. Islam doesn't need other religious scriptures to prove its truth. Islam can prove itself through the Quran and Hadees.

[@JesusisaMuslim]

Ask 500 Christians about the Trinity and you will get 500 different explanations.

[@newwaytrader]

IMRAN looks to be struggling to answer divine seeker 🤓

[@RynneFdin]

Maybe Brother Confused needs ruqyah

[@ShoaibAhmedNZ]

Steve really wants the Quran to be wrong and the bible to be right, that much is clear. His criteria is irrational at best, or more likely insincere.

[@danalmariti509]

He was not ready to accept any logic thrown at him, and kept twisting and turning. He is bending backwards to hold tightly to his belief. And example of the heart that is sealed.

[@ahmirasad007]

The YHWH Tetonnagram definition is not authentic. Yahweh is a distortion. I don't know why it wasn't mentioned to the Jewish person?

[@charliefoxtrotter]

what happened with hamza and ef dawah?

[@JesusisaMuslim]

The following verse is deemed as a forgery by Christian scholars, and has been thrown out of the modern day translations. This verse is nowhere to be found in any Greek manuscripts until the 15th century. It was added to deceive Christians. 1 John 5:7. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. .

[@JesusisaMuslim]

In Qur'an, Satan in cursed: Qur'an 15:34-35. 34.[ Allah ] said, "Then get out of it, for indeed, you are expelled. 35.And indeed, upon you is the curse until the Day of Recompense." In evil Christianity, Jesus is cursed: Galatians 3:13. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”

[@JesusisaMuslim]

The authors of the gospels were not the ones who were walking with Jesus according to Christian scholarship, who admit all authors of the gospels are anonymous. People were just writing about Jesus what they heard about Jesus. The authors of the gospels never claimed that they were witnesses. They never claim who they are. And they never claim any divine inspiration.

[@JesusisaMuslim]

There is no original sin. Adam and Eve prayed for forgiveness and God forgave them. Qur'an 2:37. Then Adam received from his Lord [some] words, and He accepted his repentance. Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful. The prayer for forgiveness by Adam and Eve. Qur'an 7:23. “Our Lord, we have wronged ourselves, and if You do not forgive us and have mercy upon us, we will surely be among the losers.”

[@ft7397]

they have done bad for decades noone have been punished

[@JesusisaMuslim]

All sins are forgiven for those who accept Islam. Qur'an 8:38. Say to those who have disbelieved [that] if they cease, what has previously occurred will be forgiven for them. ‘Amr ibn al-‘As reported: The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Do you not know that embracing Islam wipes away all sins committed before it, that emigration wipes away what came before it, and the Hajj pilgrimage wipes away what came before it?” Sahih Muslim 121

[@JesusisaMuslim]

‘Ubadah ibn al-Samit reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Whoever testifies that there is no God but Allah alone without any partners, that Muhammad is His servant and His messenger, that Jesus is the servant of Allah and His messenger, His word which He bestowed upon Mary and a spirit from Him, and that Paradise is the truth and Hellfire is the truth, then Allah will admit him into Paradise by whatever good deeds he had done.” Sahih al-Bukhari 3435, Sahih Muslim 28

[@JesusisaMuslim]

God doesn't need to kill himself to forgive our sins. God forgives all our sins above His blessed Throne. Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “When a Muslim or a believer washes his face in ablution, every sin that he committed with his eyes will be washed away with the last drop of water. When he washes his hands, every sin that he committed with his hands will be washed away with the last drop of water. When he washes his feet, every sin that he committed with his feet will be washed away with the last drop of water, until he emerges purified from sin.” Sahih Muslim 244

[@JesusisaMuslim]

I'd feel utterly ashamed of a god that can get killed on a wooden peg. Who in their right mind wouldn't? The God of Abraham forgives all sins above His blessed Throne. He doesn't need to come down to Earth to make himself look like a clown and get tortured and die a discraceful pathetic death by his own creation. Qur'an 39:53. Say, "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves [by sinning], do not despair of the mercy of Allah. Indeed, Allah forgives all sins. Indeed, it is He who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."

[@JesusisaMuslim]

Trinity is ancient paganism. Egyptian Trinity Father Osiris, mother Isis and son Horus Hindu Trinity Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva Christian Trinity Father, son Jesus and Holy Spirit "If Paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is equally true that Christianity was corrupted by Paganism. The pure Deism of the first Christians . . . was changed, by the Church of Rome, into the incomprehensible dogma of the trinity. Many of the pagan tenets, invented by the Egyptians and idealized by Plato, were retained as being worthy of belief." Edward Gibbon's History of Christianity.

[@mahdiloft-avianracersandbe4589]

Couldnt the word YHWH is a code for the name! When they refrain from uttering the name they might have refrained from writing also and instead they discovered a code for that name lol

[@JesusisaMuslim]

God has no sons. The meaning of the term “Son of God” in the Old and New Testament. In the Bible, the term “Son of God” means a righteous servant of God. It does not mean literally divine son of God. The Oxford Dictionary of the Jewish Religion confirms that in Jewish idiom “Son of God” is clearly metaphorical. In previous Scriptures, pious believers were called “sons of God.” It was not only Jesus who was “son of God” in the bible; other Prophets were also called “son of God.” For example: David: Psalm 2:7. I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Solomon: 2 Samuel 7:13-14. He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: Adam: Luke 3:38. Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. God has no real son. Jesus, David, Solomon, etc. were only close servants of God

[@JesusisaMuslim]

Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) will be the leader of mankind on Judgement Day and will be the first one to enter Paradise. It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah that the Messenger of God, Prophet Mohammad said: “I will be the leader of mankind of the Day of Resurrection, the first whose grave will be opened, the first to intercede and the first to be asked to intercede.” Sahih Muslim, 2278 Anas b. Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: I will come to the gate of Paradise on the Day of Resurrection. and would seek its opening. and the keeper would say: Who art thou? I would say: Muhammad. He would then say: It is for thee that I have been ordered, and not to open it for anyone before thee. Sahih Muslim 197

[@iammohamed3569]

If confused is reading this inshallah, Allah simply says in the Quran, I have created mankind and jinns only to worship them.

[@JesusisaMuslim]

Paul was 100% a false apostle. All of Asia Minor rejected Paul. They complained to James about Paul that he was trying to make them end the Laws. When Paul arrives in Jerusalem, James questions Paul in Acts 21:21 about this complaint which the people of Asia Minor made. James made Paul do a nazarite vow in Acts 21:26, which included shaving his head and animal sacrifice. So they were still sacrificing animals long after Jesus. The people of Asia Minor came back to Jerusalem and seen Paul. They dragged him out of the temple and beat him up and nearly killed him in Acts 21:27-32 for preaching against the Law of Moses. The Roman guards came and took Paul away and jailed him. Paul then writes to Timothy and says all of those in Asia Minor had rejected him in 2 Timothy 2:15. After Paul dies, Jesus is speaking to the people of Asia Minor. The very people who rejected Paul. Jesus is praising them for rejecting false apostles in Revelation 1:20 and Revelation 2:1-2. The argument which no Christian can answer to is, why was Jesus praising the enemies of Paul who nearly killed him? If Paul was a true apostle, then Jesus would have rebuked them. But he was praising the very people who rejected Paul, proving Paul could never have been a true apostle. Jesus never mentioned Paul even once to them. Even Barnabas completely fell out with Paul. The church is hiding this as they know most Christians don't read Bible and are just blindfollowers.

[@JesusisaMuslim]

They never killed Jesus. The matter of the fact that Jesus was praying, sweating and begging God to save him from his enemies in Matthew 26:39 and Luke 22:44, clearly shows he never wanted to die, and God heard his prayers and saved him as prophesied in the full Pslam 91 chapter and the following verses: Pslam 91:10-16. Because you have made the Lord your dwelling place- the Most High, who is my refuge- 10 no evil shall be allowed to befall you, no plague come near your tent. 11 For he will command his angels concerning you to guard you in all your ways. 12 On their hands they will bear you up, lest you strike your foot against a stone. 13 You will tread on the lion and the adder; the young lion and the serpent you will trample underfoot. 14 “Because he holds fast to me in love, I will deliver him; I will protect him, because he knows my name. 15 When he calls to me, I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble; I will rescue him and honor him. 16 With long life I will satisfy him and show him my salvation.” Pslam 18:3. I will call upon the LORD, who is worthy to be praised: so shall I be saved from mine enemies. Pslam 34:6. This poor man cried, and the Lord heard him, and saved him out of all his troubles. Pslam 34:19-20. 19. Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the Lord delivereth him out of them all. 20. He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken. Pslam 41:2.The Lord will preserve him, and keep him alive; and he shall be blessed upon the earth: and thou wilt not deliver him unto the will of his enemies. Pslam 20:6. Now I know that the LORD saves His anointed; He will answer him from His holy heaven With the saving strength of His right hand. Pslam 118:17. I will not die but live, and will proclaim what the LORD has done. Hebrews 5:7. Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

[@JesusisaMuslim]

Allah has promised the Paradise for the believers. Qur’an 41:30-32. 30. Indeed, those who have said, “Our Lord is Allah ” and then on a right course - the angels will descend upon them, [saying], “Do not fear and do not grieve but receive good tidings of Paradise, which you were promised. 31. We [angels] were your allies in worldly life and [are so] in the Hereafter. And you will have therein whatever your souls desire, and you will have therein whatever you request [or wish] 32. As accommodation from a [Lord who is] Forgiving and Merciful.” Qur'an 9:72. Allah has promised the believing men and believing women gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they abide eternally, and pleasant dwellings in gardens of perpetual residence; but approval from Allah is greater. It is that which is the great attainment.

[@bhatsahil9267]

Y u take that lebnon guy he was muslim he should've come on dc or db u should have take non muslim instead

[@JesusisaMuslim]

SAY NO TO TRINITY! Deuteronomy 6:4. Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. Mark 12:29. Jesus replied, “The most important commandment is this: ‘Listen, O Israel! The Lord our God is the one and only Lord . 💖☝God says: Qur'an 112:1-4. قُلْ هُوَ اللّٰهُ اَحَدٌ  "Say, He is Allah, [who is] One," (QS. Al-Ikhlaas: Verse 1) اَللّٰهُ الصَّمَدُ  "Allah, the Eternal Refuge." (QS. Al-Ikhlaas: verse 2) لَمْ يَلِدْ ۙ وَلَمْ يُوْلَدْ  "He neither begets nor is born," (QS. Al-Ikhlaas: Verse 3) وَلَمْ يَكُنْ لَّهٗ كُفُوًا اَحَدٌ "Nor is there to Him any equivalent." (QS. Al-Ikhlaas: Verse 4) .

[@DivineSeeker1]

Why are you are propagating lies? Just so you know, YHWH (יְהוָה) is mentioned twice in the Shema: *"Hear, O Israel, יְהוָה is our God, יְהוָה is One."* The God of Israel is YHWH and the Quran is talking of Allah. *_Who you gonna call?_*

[@JesusisaMuslim]

@@DivineSeeker1 kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2i0nX56rZaGm7csi=ie2a9ww23RvixvZQ

[@wezirahassen7312]

The last guest who claimed to be Muslim. It could be listening to a different sect, not ahllsuna .waljamaa , Because.ahllsuna waljamaa are in the Middle Not too much fear or not too much relax. الله غفررحم وهو شددلعقب

[@JesusisaMuslim]

God sent the Holy Spirit (Angel Gabriel) to the final Prophet, Mohammad, to deliver the message for all of mankind for our eternal salvation. Qur'an 2:97-98. 97. Say, "Whoever is an enemy to Gabriel - it is [none but] he who has brought the Qur'an down upon your heart, [O Muhammad], by permission of Allah , confirming that which was before it and as guidance and good tidings for the believers." 28. Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and His messengers and Gabriel and Michael - then indeed, Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. Qur'an 16:102. Say, the Holy Spirit has brought the revelation from thy Lord in Truth, in order to strengthen those who believe, and as a Guide and Glad Tidings to Muslims. Qur'an 26:192-193. 192. And indeed, the Qur'an is the revelation of the Lord of the worlds. 193. The Trustworthy Spirit has brought it down 194. Upon your heart, [O Muhammad] - that you may be of the warners -

[@JesusisaMuslim]

Jesus meets no criteria of a god 👇 (Matthew 4:1) Jesus was tempted (James 1:13) God cannot be tempted (John 1:29) Jesus was seen (1 John 4:12) No man has ever seen God (Acts 2:22) Jesus was and is a man, sent by God (Numbers 23:19, Hosea 11:9) God is not a man (Hebrews 5:8-9) Jesus had to grow and learn (Isaiah 40:28) God doesn’t ever need to learn (1 Corinthians 15:3-4) Jesus died (1 Timothy 1:17) God cannot die (Hebrews 5:7) Jesus needed salvation (Luke 1:37) God doesn’t need salvation (John 4:6) Jesus grew weary (Isaiah 40:28) God can’t grow weary (Mark 4:38) Jesus slept (Psalm 121:2-4) God doesn’t sleep .

[@JesusisaMuslim]

The Bible says no one has ever seen God. And yet people saw Jesus. This again proves that Jesus cannot be God. Deuteronomy 4.12. Then the Lord spoke to you out of the fire. You heard the sound of words but saw no form; there was only a voice. Exodus 33.20. But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.” 1 John 4.12. No one has ever seen God; 1 Timothy 1.17. Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Timothy 6:15-16.15. which God will bring about in his own time-God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16. who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen. Qur'an 6.103. No vision can grasp Him, but His Grasp is over all vision. Qur'an 7.143. And when Moses arrived at Our appointed time and his Lord spoke to him, he said, "My Lord, show me [Yourself] that I may look at You." [Allah] said, "You will not see Me, but look at the mountain; if it should remain in place, then you will see Me." But when his Lord appeared to the mountain, He rendered it level, and Moses fell unconscious. And when he awoke, he said, "Exalted are You! I have repented to You, and I am the first of the believers." .......

[@JesusisaMuslim]

Jesus was a prophet and not god. The people living around him knew he was a prophet. Nobody called Jesus everlasting father, mighty god or prince of peace. John 4:19. 19 “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. Luke 24:19. “About Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “He was a prophet, Jesus even called himself a prophet. Luke 13:33. Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

[@nargis751]

3:00:17 Steve is disingenuous.

[@JesusisaMuslim]

All the Prophets were Muslims who submitted to the will of God: Qur’an 22:78. And strive for Allah with the striving due to Him. He has chosen you and has not placed upon you in the religion any difficulty. [It is] the religion of your father, Abraham. Allah named you “Muslims” before [in former scriptures] and in this [revelation] that the Messenger may be a witness over you and you may be witnesses over the people. Abraham: Qur’an 3:67. Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah]. And he was not of the polytheists. Jacob and his sons: Qur’an 2:132-133. 132. And Abraham instructed his sons [to do the same] and [so did] Jacob, [saying], “O my sons, indeed Allah has chosen for you this religion, so do not die except while you are Muslims.” 133. Or were you witnesses when death approached Jacob, when he said to his sons, “What will you worship after me?” They said, “We will worship your God and the God of your fathers, Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac - one God. And we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.” Joseph: Qur’an 21:101. My Lord, You have given me [something] of sovereignty and taught me of the interpretation of dreams. Creator of the heavens and earth, You are my protector in this world and in the Hereafter. Cause me to die a Muslim and join me with the righteous.” Disicples were Muslims too. Qur’an 3:52. But when Jesus felt [persistence in] disbelief from them, he said, “Who are my supporters for [the cause of] Allah?” The disciples said,” We are supporters for Allah. We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]. Qur’an 5:111. And [remember] when I inspired to the disciples, “Believe in Me and in My messenger Jesus.” They said, “We have believed, so bear witness that indeed we are Muslims [in submission to Allah].” .

[@sheik74hamid46]

briefly QUR'AN 17:103-104 we said after we drowned pharoah to the children of ISREAL live in the land of Egypt from this land we will reserect you ( past tense ) not CANNAN ISREAL Jews were pagens worshippers Quran 43:57-58 when we introduced son of Mary they ( Jews) immediately neglected averted from him mocking saying is OUR GOD'S ( many) better than he? Jews didn't worship many gods 2000 yrs ago when fake timeline jesus came they worshipped the cow BECOUSE it was the Egyptian god Hathor Q hadid 27 Original Christian was gnostics in Egypt at time of moses not invented 2000yrs ago Roman Catholic Qur'an 7:137 we completed our favour upon the children of ISREAL ( IN EGYPT) ( the favour cannot be fulfilled unless the injeel jesus is sent to the children of isreal with moses Q7 : 129) 💕✅ brief examples Q28:5 Q28:6 Q7:137 Q2:61 Q26:59 Q44:24-28 our sources copied the history from Jewish sources ISREAL canan of today isn't Jerusalem Soliman or David was in Egypt

[@liquiduser]

Steve is deluded I’m sorry.

[@JesusisaMuslim]

Jesus is NOT God. God is not a man: Hosea 11:9. for I am God, and not man; Peter said Jesus was only a man chosen by God: Acts 2:22. Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: Jesus prayed to God: Luke 6:12. And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God. Jesus prostrated on the floor on his face praying to God, just as Muslims do. Matthew 26:39. And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, Jesus said he has a God: John 17:3. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. John 20:17. Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. Mark 12:29. And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Jesus said he can do nothing: John 5:30. I can of mine own self do nothing: Jesus said only God is good: Mark 10:18. And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

[@JesusisaMuslim]

Jesus is not god. Jesus said he has a god. Mark 12:29. Jesus replied, “The most important commandment is this: ‘Listen, O Israel! The Lord our God is the one and only Lord . John 17:3. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. John 20:17. Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” Jesus also made it very clear that he can do nothing, and did not like people equating him to god: Matthew 19:17. And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, John 5:30. I can of mine own self do nothing:

[@ft7397]

torah is not gods word

[@finalprophet813]

Divine seeker was entertained for too long, he shouldn’t of been given that much time, literally obsessed over a name with no logic.

[@DivineSeeker1]

Absolutely! Let's give it a twist: "Prepare yourself for a logic showdown! Will you bravely engage, or shall you retreat into the comforting shadows of irrationality?"

[@desmondmansingh5175]

WITHOUT LIES ISLAM DIES!! HOW CAN YOU MUSLIMS DECEIVE PEOPLE BY SAYING CHRISTIANS JUST CONFESS AND THAT'S IT,THIS IS A BLATANT LIE! JESUS CHRIST SAID TAKE UP YOUR CROSS AND FOLLOW ME,THIS IS A DAILY SURRENDER TO CHRIST ME! REPENTANCE TO OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR,JESUS CHRIST LEADS TO GOOD WORKS!!

[@quranchannel4622]

Stop shouting! Noted.

[@bhatsahil9267]

Man can't be god that is it whether any book says it

[@syedhasan5861]

I presume that you are an evangelical christian and you believe in the doctrine of the trinity and vicarious atonement but not doing good works then you also believe as long as a man who rapes and murders your daughter and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rapes and murders your sister and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rape and murders your mother and then repents and later on sin the same sin or rapes and murders your wife and then repents and later on sin the same sin and evangelical christian still believes in the doctrine of the trinity and also believes that Jesus Christ died on the cross for his sins that he will be forgiven and will go to heaven and despite continuing to rape and murder innocent people but will still go to heaven as he still believe in the doctrine of the trinity and also as long as he still believes that Jesus died on the cross because you believe that this man is your evangelical christian brethren who you will embrace him but you also believe that good works are just like dirty rags according to your apostle Paul as your apostle Paul also said that faith alone believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins they you are forgiven and will go to heaven is your only salvation. According to christian evangelical theology, good works are the consequence of salvation and not its justification. They are the sign of a sincere and grateful faith. They include actions for the Great Commission, that is, Christian evangelism, service in the Church and charity. So Good works is a consequence but not a necessity for christian evangelical salvation. That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ~Romans 10:9-10 You cannot be saved by your good works, because no matter how hard you try, your “good” is not good enough for the perfectly holy and completely righteous God who alone grants salvation. Nor can you be saved by your moral perfection-no matter how moral or how perfect you are. As the Old Testament prophet Isaiah points out, your righteousness is about as good as a “snot rag”. (Isaiah 64:6 ). I have actually cleaned that up a bit, because the Hebrew phrase for filthy rags, ukabeged ehdim, literally means, “like as rags of menstruation.” Sorry if that disgusts you, but it’s Scripture-so blame Isaiah. The point is, both our acts of righteousness, and the quality of righteousness that we hope they produce, are disgusting to God. So if you are disgusted by Isaiah’s language, think of how God, who inspired Isaiah to choose those coarse words, is repulsed by our efforts to get him to save us. So what hope, then, is there for our salvation? Well, frankly, no hope resides within us. None whatsoever. Ephesians 2:1 says “As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins.” That’s how hopeless we are apart from God’s work to save us. You see, all a dead person can do is lay there and be dead, let alone try to be righteous before God.

[@abdullahassaffah]

If Jesus died in a electric chair would he say take up your electric chair

[@Rabb865]

Chill take some anxiety medicine please

[@HussainFahmy]

[@djelalhassan7631]

Shahada is the hypocrite's shahada

[@djelalhassan7631]

Why don't you use the same logic on the fabricated Bukhari and his ilks hadiths as you use on the bible?

[@rizawanahmed2090]

Steve's true colors comes as he speaks real are*** h