The Orient Mako 3 May have a HUGE Problem

[@keegankennedy1293]

We have a HUGE problem. This Mako 3 is NOT an entirely other watch...thats 8 times the price. Jesus, why cant this watch just be the other watch?! Then we wouldn't have a HUGE problem you see lol

[@MJ-ce6tv]

Jesus is Lord.

[@sheepdog-kp9hb]

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[@MrDuagor]

If you want to make advertisemente is ok. I bought my Mako 3 for 250 dollars and you are comparing with a 800 one. So please...

[@evanspivack2714]

I've always liked Orient, and own several, but never really took a liking to the Mako until now. This one really stands out. I do think they missed an opportunity, though: having this watch with just the date (no day) would REALLY make the dial pop, IMHO. This one is on my list, for sure. Thanks for a great vid!

[@TheGrenadier97]

The Orient Kamasu can be found around $200 today; the Mako III is surely going that direction as well, along with the Mako Chronograph. Still, they offer more than any Seiko "5KX", and i daresay it competes easily with a Turtle if as desk divers we ignore the professional specifications. Orient is also easier to find in many markets than Glycine.

[@wayneholmes637]

I don't think they pass any of the ISO standards including water resistance. Then again they aren't really divers, more like diver style sport watches. Even Orient says they aren't actual divers. Water resistance not to ISO standards, very weak non-ISO compliant springbars and bracelets etc. and no they aren't tested to the Japanese dive watch standards either which is pretty much identical to ISO.

[@TheGrenadier97]

The Turtle is a professional diver according to some standards, and the lume on 3 was even updated according to new rules; but this isn't the point, neither meaningful.

[@daleyfamily2179]

I was with you till you said better than a turtle lol. I would not say better than a King Turtle or even a turtle when it comes to the horology and history of the turtle. Also Orient is owned by Seiko.

[@TheGrenadier97]

I don't give particular importance for Seiko's history when i risk paying more for a watch that would probably come misaligned, for instance. Orient isn't owned by Seiko; both watch makers are owned by Seiko Group, which makes them sister companies with their own autonomies.

[@deepb249]

@@wayneholmes637which watch is truely a divers watch?

[@MR2D2AL]

The ivory/champagne dial has a color pallet I’ve used on many custom cars in Gran Turismo. Champagne + green + bronze + orange = me! I must have that watch!!!

[@Bagorra]

I have an Orient Mako 2 for several years and I'm not regretted to bought it.

[@nomiguda]

picked one of these up for 203 usd, pretty happy with the fact it's sapphire, looking forward to it arriving tomorrow.

[@waffle911]

Ivory with olive and khaki is my absolute jam. Pair that with a Bambino 38mm and you've got a winning two-watch combo from a single brand.

[@jeffwenger5610]

For those new to Nato straps I would suggest cutting off the tail end of the strap and sealing it with a lighter to prevent fraying. This way you get a thinner, less puffy single pass strap with the nato feel. From there you can experiment with the full strap and see how you like it. The nato does need time to break in and soften a bit so it can fit all the contours of your wrist and that helps it lay flatter over time.

[@NSFA]

This is a Kamasu with a new dial presentation. I love my green Kamasu and might pull the trigger on this! That Champaign dial is slick. Tks!

[@themightysquid]

Excellent review of an excellent company. I have the Ray2 which quenched my thirst for many years till I got my Sub., and the Chicane, probably the best homage to the Explorer without sacrificing its own identity( and it’s accuracy is at 0sec/day). Orient is an excellent value and is part of the collection with my numerous Seiko’s.

[@Scortd]

Literally wearing this exact watch right now. Will say it looks much better in person than it does on the site, thought it was white but it's champagne. Got the discount when purchasing . Most of my watches are Seiko; overall I'm very happy with my purchase.

[@chrisroy1613]

Got the same exact watch from Ashford for $260 which is the right price IMO. My Glycine combat is a better watch but it was $400. I think the mako 3 will settle in under $250 which makes it a heavy hitter with the quality and specs it offers for the price

[@rebel_watch]

I have Orient Ray 2 and happy with it, if you get in ~ 150$ I think it's better value than 3rd generation that is twice more expensive. To me Ray is nicer as the Mako gives me Hydroconquest vibes. Agree with Glycine point, combat is a great watch, I have an older version from the '70 and would buy the new one in the future.

[@Watchtrain]

Dave over at Just the Watch showed this beside the Kamasu and the Mako 3 has a Kamasu case, bezel and bracelet with different dial and bezel insert. I have two Kamasus and love the dial and handset on this new Mako configuration. I especially like your colorway. Nice review!

[@cheapwatchman_official]

thanks!

[@ginom407]

Great looking watch! Love the ivory / champagne dial. I like almost as much as the JDM Orange Sunburst. Thanks Randy 👍👍👍

[@cheapwatchman_official]

Very welcome

[@DanBarksey]

The biggest improvement that I can see over the Kamasu is the colours and the crown has been improved …. Everything else is equal , crystal, movement , case . Etc …I got the Red(Burnt Rust) whatever but I really want the Champagne version. Both Kamasu and Mako 3’s are worthy of a third party solid end link strap to complete the look .

[@Sb631flex]

Warning: Bought 2 received one yesterday and they are VERY very small tiny little watches. I’m good in a 42-46mm. This thing wears like a 36. I’m a 8.25-8.5” wrist this looked small and delicate, way too small for my taste so I found the Aragon website first time and bought a bunch of those. So if you’re maybe a 6”+ guy look at 42-46mm case size it looks good imo 👍

[@freddyrincon1481]

I wish they'd make the mako and rays in a 44-45mm...my ray 2 looks a little small every time I wear it...

[@LukeD-k7e]

I feel the orient kamasu JDM red set to kanji is amazing Japanese auto for the price (250)the F6 movement is much better than the 4R3x and even some of the better Seiko 3hz but the problems I have with orient is mostly spares and aftermarket as in yes I can get replacement day or day date movements for a good price but no other, the stems are not threaded I think they are crimped and in not sure about the seals as the crown seal is strange but I can just about get the spares. Orient is a nightmare to get parts from and for affordable watches I like the ability to just replace the movement rather than service as alot of places change 300+ for a service and I can get a new Stellita SW200-1 for about 100 Pretty happy with some HKpt or Hangzhou 2824 clones that are about 35. I managed to get a Squale GMT on sale for under 500 last year and it came with a top grade Stellita SW330-2 (Stellita 300/330 are the same as ETA2892/3) In my opinion apart from crazy expensive in house the 2892/3 ETA or Stellita movements is the best you will get and some very expensive watches use them over the 2824 that is thicker and can have handwinding problems. I usually wait for a sale and you can get nice swiss stuff under 350 but I'm pissed of with the search group for going to the powermatic as I love Hamilton but a 2824 at 3hz with plastic escapement parts that you can't adjust by yourself.... Nope. As for Seiko, the Seiko modding community is very good and you can make a very nice NH34/5/6/8 just how you want with good sapphire and bracelet plus good like for under 100 with a nice Seiko marked dial. You can get a steeldive williard / tuna from AE for under 70 dollars and they are 1-1. Change out a few parts... but 250 is my limit for a 3hz Japanese and Seiko have gone way too upmarket. Citizen is making amazing watching with the very good 9015, 9039 and 9075 true GMT but the cost is high. Apart from maybe a King Seiko or Grand Seiko or something vintage I would not buy a Seiko anymore, not that long ago a S5 was 60 dollars now over 300 for modern 4R36 that's Malay or Chinese made. My top affordable watches I think everyone should own. 1. Orient Kamasu or similar , red is great. 2. Vostok amphibia 090 classic dial on mesh 3. 40mm seagull 1963 chrono 4. A digital Casio F91 but W59 is better or one with a steel body. (As a wildcard a 17 or 19J 35 dollar Shanghai handwinder All of those are low cost well respected in-house watches that watch snobs can't say bad things about and depending on strap or bracelet (Kamasu jubilee bracelet solid end links is 35 dollars) it's amazing and the red orient kamasu set to kanji , vostok tank 090 on mesh and 40mm 1963 on a nice brown leather have got me many more complements especially from women than my high end warches from relatives that have past away as when people see omega, tudor or rolex they just ask is it real and how much is it..... 4. A Seiko mod (I have a williard that was cheap to put together so good as a daily driver) 5. A budget swiss 2824 and GMT if you can afford. 6. A nice vintage swiss watch. 7. A vintage King Seiko Hi-Beat (under 500 serviced for some) 8. A vintage Seiko thermocomp jeweled quartz.

[@albertsmith9315]

Nice review. I just bought the Seiko 38mm with the champagne dial and I'm really enjoying that color after years of traditional black dials. So this Mako 3 really jumped off the screen when your video alert came up. I can definitely see this watch joining my other Orients... just for that color.

[@cheapwatchman_official]

My first watch with this color outside of the Rolex Air king my father gave me. Which is a 34mm so I rarely wear it.

[@Avaddon911]

They increased the size of the crown! Very nice

[@DanBarksey]

I have to say for 350-400$ cdn , I wish the bracelet was better but that didn’t stop me from upgrading all of my Kamasu and Mako’s with Strap code Super J Louis and Goma Bor bracelets and I must say they are worth it …. Amazing with the proper bracelet… being patient and waiting for a sale on Orient watches and its well worth it

[@WillSavage]

Isn't the Glycine considerably more expensive though? Seems a bit of a strange comparison bearing in mind the cost difference. I like both watches but here in Switzerland I'd pay nearly double for the Glycine over the Mako 3.

[@cheapwatchman_official]

The combat sub and the mako 3 are both about $340

[@WillSavage]

@@cheapwatchman_official perhaps where you live, but here in Switzerland where the Glycine’s are made they are nearly twice the price.

[@roamready9732]

I wish Orient did a no-date/day model. That said it would be awesome if they lumed the day/date wheels like my Seestern.

[@TT-ch2pz]

OMG, you are Glycine's salesman of the month. No affordable Glycine watches on Ashford anymore.

[@cheapwatchman_official]

ugh. This watch is still pretty legit.

[@waltwearswatches3056]

That’s funny because I see a good number of automatic Combat Subs around $300

[@TT-ch2pz]

@@cheapwatchman_official Agreed, but it's the wrong color. The burnt orange model, which isn't available in the US, is much better.

[@islandterror5198]

Combat Sub quartz GMT root beer $ 183 @ Ashford nice bargain , diggin' it

[@Electrobolt807]

In the UK the automatic version is twice the price of the orient so you expect it to be better

[@havardflaatten]

I bougth the grey one. Mako III. Love it!

[@PaulewingStHelens]

That’s the got to be one of the nicest looking Orients I’ve seen. I like it.

[@mykytaradko5776]

I have a Mako 2 Pepsi and I love it but I am having problems choosing the right bracelet for it; so far I have attached a jubilee one. What do you think is the best bracelet for Mako 2/Mako 3? Jubilee, oyster or mashed?

[@damitdonTV]

Ordered this exact model on Friday from Marc. Should be here in the next 36 hours. First watch I've ordered in almost two years. I was going through withdrawals! Can't wait to see it in person. Really wasn't looking for another dive watch, but I thought this looked dressy enough to fill the dress watch jones I've had recently.

[@Danilo-qk2gw]

How do you like it so far? I'm at this withdrawal phase and in love by this model in this specific color 😊 please prompt me to pull this trigger saying its amazing and durable hahaha

[@damitdonTV]

@@Danilo-qk2gw I'm actually wearing it right now, which is a change because I really haven't worn it that much since I got it. I think I felt it was too dressy, but it's been on my wrist now for the better part of a week and I'm loving it. It's my only day/date and I love that feature. Seems to be keeping great time as well. The more I wear it the more I appreciate it. I would highly recommend it. Let me know what you decide.

[@damitdonTV]

P.S. the color is absolutely what drew me to this watch and it doesn't disappoint.

[@Danilo-qk2gw]

@@damitdonTV thank you so much for answering and so fast, happy to know you're enjoying it. One thing you said made me think: would it be too formal for sneackers and jeans and tea? I'd be interested in turning it into my GADA watch (that Go Anywhere, Do Anything concept).

[@damitdonTV]

@@Danilo-qk2gw Now that I'm wearing it daily, it has become exactly that. My initial concern about it being too dressy is gone. It goes with everything.

[@paperback10]

Excellent review. I just paid $227 for the blue dial from Jomashop.

[@tonychalmers9867]

I can only assume that Glycine isn't available in the UK as they are very much more expensive than any Orient over here. Combat Sub comes in at around £1k ($1.3k) ish. 🤷‍♂️

[@davidwarburton8890]

You did right by the color and the watch.

[@TT-ch2pz]

Glycine is the best option. Glycine Vintage GL0261 is the best watch in this price range.

[@Backtoreality4u]

The price of everything has gone up, the dollar stores are rebranding themselves as 5 below. It seams a bit much for that watch because they were know for great bang for your buck but they are getting a bit greedy in my opinion.

[@spielerversum]

Such a charismatic guy, I couldn’t help but subscribe 😁

[@cheapwatchman_official]

Well thank you very much!

[@mariog7213]

I just wish they had released a standard black dial. I’d buy it in an instant

[@krystianstepien5835]

5:17 the factor I`ve c hosen the Mako 2 over all the low cost diver is the thin taper shaped bezel. Looks so nice imho. 6:29 not yet :) the spring pins will bend and the wiggling will apear as in Mako 2.

[@gillygun1]

Hi, my name is Ryan Guilbeau in Chuckey, TN. I’d like to ask a question concerning woofer hook ups. The equipment I have is a Yamaha RN303 stereo receiver. I have 4 speakers taking up the A/B channels on the back. If the B speakers are taken up… how would I hook up the woofer or can at all? Thank you for your help.

[@heinthuaung1343]

I got my brand new mako 3 at the price point of US$160 today at orient authorized showroom. I live in an asian country so may be general cost for like transport is significantly reduced and tax can be reduced with some ways. So a lot cheaper than the price in Singapore which is just 45 mins flight away my airport.

[@MikeSmith-er1qs]

To answer one of your last questions, the price is typical Orient…. Overinflated. This will settle into probably the $225 range like the Kamasu (~$200 right now). I’m waiting for those prices before I pull the trigger.

[@loochan325]

I never had a watch with numeral hour markers and I will never have one. Anywey,on this one ivory are those arabic numerals and the hands. The dial is brushed metalic champagne color. The bezel is olive, the oposite of kaki that is a crem-beige, the color of the desert. Olive is a colored grey made from the complementary colors red and green with the later dominating the mix. Kaki is from both hindi and somalese as the color of the desert, first used for the indian uniforms on the british colonial army, and later used by the brits from 1890 as the first modern camouflage uniform for desert environment, as oposed to olive used for much less desert areas.

[@thegorn]

Did you notice that your Mako 3 has the bigger crown, but on the website you showed, they show the smaller crown (like the Kamasu)

[@haping1]

Great review again. I have the Mako 2 and changed the bezel, like the new version. Or more SKX style. There is a Japan version with some beautiful dial colors. I think I go for that one.

[@paulo1901]

I like it, Rand. But I'm waiting for the Mako 3 Chrono. Cheers!

[@JohnClarkW]

My only beef on the Ray 2 was the crappy mineral crystal. I wish the Mako 3 had the blue sunburst dial.

[@calculusentropy]

I love my Kamasu, Kanno and lots of Seikos... I'm a sucker for Milanese bands though prob not here. The champagne scheme here is fetching. Good taste.

[@scubaru100]

Great looking watch... but as you note, the Glycine (and, dare i say, San Martin) options out there make the Orient a difficult choice. These will hit the used market at around half-price within a year.

[@marioaquilina248]

Orient will never be better than Seiko. Does Orient has better offerings than a Samurai , Sumo , Alpinist and more ? No Sir. Thanks for your cool vids mate. Keep it up.

[@eskimoquinn1679]

What is that milanese bracelet you have? It appears to have quick release?

[@BobbyG3752]

My orient Ray 2 is my most worn watch . Great lume !!! Strapcode bracelet. Best value for $ out there IMHO

[@akitahvanainen]

I don't understand comparison. Isn't Glycine way more expensive?

[@matthewhilty4209]

Wha ? The cheap audio man reviews watches too ? Very cool.

[@cheapwatchman_official]

ha. yes I do!

[@tonydillinger2553]

On sale now for 220, looking at the red dial.

[@saairgunner5925]

Actually, that is how ivory looks on the outside in older animals.

[@ericbouza854]

If that were a San Martin or Baltany at over $300.00, with that cheap bracelet and crappy clasp, it would get lots of hate. 👿 Now days, thats not acceptable for a watch costing over $300.00. 🤔

[@johanvandersandt8904]

I like the look but at the higher price id rather have an Islander.

[@c.cabanilla8963]

Wow yes you made a better point. Excellent watch and I love orient as a company. I believe they need to start using solid end links with any watch 250.00 us and above. Great review by the way 😁

[@cheapwatchman_official]

Thanks for watching!

[@secretfornow8895]

Found a Kamasu (on a rubber strap) on sale at a Tokyo electronics store on sale and then on sale again. I think it was a mistake... Got it new for $75. Probably best bargain purchase of my life.

[@gato2002]

Huh, i didn't know this channel exist.

[@cheapwatchman_official]

I'm glad you found it

[@Ajisaurus]

I'm confused, Kamasu is Mako 3? or not?

[@anthonycampbell8307]

There's an orange dial one, (RN-AA0817Y), but I think it's Japan only. That would be the one for me, if it was available in the UK

[@petermulhall2564]

Hey Randy,al colourways are under 300 on jomashop...

[@brianw1697]

Have you reviewed the Addiesdive Willard?

[@hackmechanic]

Welcome to the world of watches. I have no idea why natos are so popular. "pooching out" is right. The second pass does nothing regardless of if you wear it the "right" way or the "wrong" way. The long end extra strap fold under bit?? No one ever needs that extra length. Cut off the second pass piece and cut of the extra tail piece that you would fold under/over and you have a much friendlier strap. Use a coin to flame seal the perfect rounded end onto your strap. I heard once, true or not, that nato straps were used to hand watches on a wall for retail display. Cheap strap, but the watch heads would slide off the strap so the extra bit was added to stop that. Still cheaper than a proper strap. True story? Probably not.

[@donmongoose]

The only reason I'd disagree that Orient have over taken Seiko as the "go to" for affordable divers is this - quantity produced and the affect that has on the second hand market. I managed to pick up a King Turtle and a King Samurai 2nd hand, both mint condition, each for barely more than a brand new Kamasu. I do love my Kamasu, but it does have its flaws (good lord the bracelt feels cheap, went straight on a Nato, and if you've got chunky fingers the crowns a bitch), but if you're willing to go into the prowned market you'll find it drowning with Seikos with a slight edge on quality, all at well below half RRP.

[@Ayedyn101]

Man just said "Orient has a huge problem... It's not a combat sub". I want my 12 min back.

[@vladimirvasic8388]

That mov 6922 in my Kanu 5s per day from fabrique that mov (2000 dollar). Beautie is with burgundie bazel.

[@-BlueX]

OO like that intro

[@TyphonLeTitan]

Im still waiting for the huge problem 😂

[@arielcandoleta5347]

So, you're into watches as well? That's cool.

[@cunawarit]

This isn't a problem, people by an Orient Mako because they want a Mako. Some people actively want the Japanese watch other the Swiss. And everyone has a Seiko diver so there are reason to choose the Orient over the Seiko too. Orient has it's own market who actively want an Orient watch.

[@ClayCarpenter-m1e]

Comparing the Glycine ($1000 watch) to the Orient ($300 watch) and making that the click bait for this video makes absolutely no sense at all

[@cheapwatchman_official]

Combat sub was $319. Make 3 was $350

[@momtaz1252]

This watch, in this color is more legible at night than in normal light 😂

[@MeyLisa-e4t]

very beautiful watch orient

[@patentleatherkicks]

Dude, were you drunk when you wrote this video? The MSRP of the Glycene GL0076 is $1500 and you can find them for about $500. The MSRP of the Orient AA08 is $500 and you can find them for about $200. I'm sure you're right about the Glycene having a better bracelet, but you're insane for saying it's a better value.

[@DumasMoran]

I got the solar quartz white dial version for $350 for my father in law. Still can't get that one regularly in the states. But if it is still $350 once available here, I would not buy it. It's fucking gorgeous, but I'm not paying import prices domestically

[@dadandvideogames]

Oh crap. That watch/coffee click- iconic. Talk about a mic drop!

[@nedflanders3769]

I think you just sold me a Mako 3 😅

[@alejoyt8738]

Hi there, new to your channel, just discover it yesterday night while browsing youtube looking for videos just like yours. Thanks for taking the time to do this type of review, really like your perspective and the way you approach affordable options. I'm looking to buy my first mechanical watch and the Invicta Pro Diver is the watch that brought me to your channel, but I also like Bulova and Tissot designs, so your reviews are very helpful to me in particular. I also came across the Venezianico NEREIDE ULTRALEGGERO 42, that besides having mechanical insights (Seiko NH70A should be good), also has a skeletonized face that I find very appealing. Have you come across this brand/watch? Any thoughts on the brand or model? Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks!

[@beatcomber]

Just a minor correction… Mako (マコ) is pronounced “mah-ko,” not “may-ko.” :)

[@DM-yq3pr]

Can this around £240 in the uk.. sapphire grey version is 🔥

[@XjohnjohnX88]

I love the new Orient with a 40mm diameter! But that price (412€ in France)! It's so disappointing! Not a fan of the one of the video. And it's better to take one of their previous model imho.

[@cartoonpete407]

With that price, of course the Glycine :)

[@anorax001]

Watched the video twice to find the "HUGE" problem. I suspect the "HUGE" problem is the clickbait title on the video. But grats you did make me watch your video twice. 😂 Back to serious discussion - comparing a watch that is almost FOUR times the price of the Orient is unfair. This Orient represents reasonably good bang for buck but for not much more money I would probably buy an Islander diver which has a much better bracelet.

[@sheepdog-kp9hb]

The other mako, the mako 40mm is a badass sombitch thanks

[@johnmonachelli5256]

What the in crowd might nickname the miller high life

[@brianmsahin]

Excellent video! I think you could call it champagne however real ivory is actually off white.. They don't use elephant ivory to make piano keys any more. If you can find a very old piano from the 19th and early 20th centuries the white keys will be yellow tinted. Young elephants have white tusks but they become oxidized naturally as they mature. I'm wearing my OLD and reliable Mako XL with the orange bezel and it's a favourite. This Mako is worth the money but you can always find a discount somewhere. Just for the animal lovers out there it was extremely rare that piano keys were made of ivory, mostly from wood and covered with a lacquer. Black keys were made of ebony. Since the 1970's the expensive ones have been made from plastic coated hardwoods and cheaper ones from all plastic resin. So don't feel guilty when playing your piano! 😂

[@nelly2022]

goodbye xx

[@TheEmmetdocbrown]

Do you realy compare a 300€ Watch with a 550€ Watch? Here in Germany the presented Glycine Combat Sub costs about 500€ to 599€ used (i only find prices for new one directly in Switzerland and they want about 1000€ for it) and the Mako 3 is about 275€ up to 350€. Yes the Combat sub has better bracelet because it costs 200€ more. Maybe better movement? Maybe. It costs 200€ more. So i guess the movement could be a little bit better. But in which terms? The Power Reserve is equal or a little less than Mako. You can make both very accurate. When i compare my cheap Renault Clio (less then 10k new) with a BMW 5 series (starts around 45k), of course the BMW is better in all conditions.... Are Glycine Watches that cheap in US?

[@cheapwatchman_official]

The Glycine combat sub is available from Ashford and Jomashop for about $350 in the US. I can’t speak for pricing in any other country. But, “yes” I really did compare those watches.

[@TheEmmetdocbrown]

@@cheapwatchman_official Then it is realy that cheap (compared to European Prices) and the same price region. Okay. This makes sense. I can buy a brand new Mako 3 here in Germany for 249€. (Edit: from authorized Dealer) But no chance getting a new Glycine for under 500€. Funny. 😁

[@Simon_Hawkshaw]

The Mako watches are great. Their value is growing exponentially. I think they are going to be the next affordable goto diver soon, if they aren't already. However, they are soon going to be out of stock after this great review. I love my Mako II, but I am going to have to add the III to my list. Perhaps the ivory dial is the color, not the material, but you called it champagne. 😂 I think the mesh straps are looking good and making a re-emergence. Hands down, I prefer the Glycine, but then I'm biased and influenced by you. 😂 Thank you as always for your time, effort, and enticing review of these watches and manufacturers. Take care, Sir.

[@cheapwatchman_official]

thank you brother. The package is on it's way to you as I type this message

[@Simon_Hawkshaw]

@cheapwatchman_official Many thanks, brother. Much appreciated.

[@RicardoValdes-r6w]

Much luck to you sir with the process for a better presentation. You can do exceedingly better yes..

[@MarkM58]

I have the Mako 2 and I don't see enough reason to get a 3 and pay that extra dough. I would rather get a San Martin for that money.

[@hgr.7857]

My Guy: CUT THE EXTRA KEEPER OFF OF YOUR NATO STRAPS, thereby making them single pass and much more sleek and pleasant to wear. The watch is every bit as secure (you still have a strap passing through each lug bar individually) and the watch sits much more flush an the wrist. I tried it 9nce for kicks and since doing so have henceforth cut off ALL keepers from all of my NATOs; I'll never go back. Even though the extra keeper is only, what, like 2-3 mm thick, having removed it it is makes a world of difference as far as fit and feel while wearing them - MUCH less bulky and more sleek and matural feeling.

[@stefpix]

same here, and i can center the watch more, so the buckle is opposite to the watch, at the bottom of the wrist. The double pass extra fabric on the side of the wrist looks ugly and unbalanced/

[@hgr.7857]

@@stefpix Emphatically, YES. With the keeper, the watch is forced to be very near the end with the buckle. Without, you can wear it anywhere on the strap. I, like you, much prefer the buckle centered up on the bottom of my wrist. Another benefit of CUTTING THE KEEPER ✂️

[@67NewEngland]

- For $300+ would you just buy a Seiko with hardlex for the sake of the name brand instead ?

[@yo-sefakimbey7009]

Seiko's QC doesn't warrant that in my opinion

[@willmarshall4685]

Anything

[@pman8330]

Not related to seiko

[@osfcross]

Got mine for 250. So much watch for money.

[@hyst.eric_]

Better pizza. Papa Johns.

[@benmoore7946]

anything

[@atama17]

From what I see the glycine cost a lot more