The Origins of Islam - 4.1 A New Religion: Abd al-Malik & Muhammadanism

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The first steps that would eventually turn the religion of an anti-Trinitarian Christian sect into what is now known as Islam.
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Burkitt, Francis Crawford. Early Eastern Christianity. John Murray, 1904.
Crone, Patricia. Meccan Trade and the Rise of Islam. Princeton University Press, 1987.
Dagron, Gilbert and V. Déroche. "Juifs et chrétiens dans l'Orient du VIIe siècle". In: Travaux et Mémoires. Vol. 11. 1991, p. 17-273.
Gaube, Heinz. Arabosasanidische Numismatik. Handbücher der mittelasiatischen Numismatik Bd. II. Klinkhardt & Biermann, 1973.
Griffith, Sidney H. "Late Antique Christology in Qurʾānic Perspective". In: Die Koranhermeneutik von Günter Lüling. De Gruyter, 2018, pp. 33-68.
Grodzki, Marcin. "Christian-Muslim Symbolism on Coins of the Early Arab Empire (7‒8th century CE) - An Attempt at a New Approach". In: Asian and African Studies 23.2 (2014), 255‒273.
Groß, Markus. "Early Islam: An alternative scenario of its emergence". In: Routledge Handbook on Early Islam. Routledge, 2017, pp. 311-326.
Jenkins, J. Philip. Jesus Wars: How Four Patriarchs, Three Queens, and Two Emperors Decided What Christians Would Believe for the Next 1,500 Years. HarperOne, 2010.
Kerr, Robert M. "Der Islam, die Araber und die Hiǧra". In: Die Entstehung einer Weltreligion III: Die heilige Stadt Mekka - eine literarische Fiktion. Inârah Vol. 7. 2014, pp. 46-51.
Kerr, Robert M. "«Farüqter Heiland» et le Haǧǧ original à Jérusalem - Quelques remarques sur le messianisme de l'islam naissant". In: Die Entstehung einer Weltreligion VI: Vom umayyadischen Christentum zum abbasidischen Islam. Inârah Vol. 10. Schiler, 2021, pp. 458-507.
Minov, Sergey. Memory and Identity in the Syriac Cave of Treasures - Rewriting the Bible in Sasanian Iran. Jerusalem Studies in Religion and Culture vol. 26. Brill, 2021.
Nevo, Yehuda D. and Judith Koren. Crossroads to Islam: the Origins of the Arab Religion and the Arab State. Prometheus Books, 2003.
Popp, Volker. "From Ugarit to Sāmarrā: An Archeological Journey on the Trail of Ernst Herzfeld". In: Early Islam: A Critical Reconstruction Based on Contemporary Sources. Prometheus Books, 2013, pp. 17-124.
Popp, Volker. "The Early History of Islam: Following Inscriptional and Numismatic Testimony". In: The Hidden Origins of Islam: New Research Into its Early History. Prometheus Books, 2010, pp. 17-124.
Rabbat, Nasser. "The Meaning of the Umayyad Dome of the Rock". In: Muqarnas (1989), pp. 12-21.
Russell, James R. "Christianity i. In Pre-Islamic Persia: Literary Sources". In: Encyclopædia Iranica. vol. V, fasc. 5. Encyclopædia Iranica Foundation, 1991, pp. 523- 528.
Witakowski, Witold. "Syriac Apocalyptic Literature". In: The Armenian Apocalyptic Tradition - A Comparative Perspective. Studia in Veteris Testamenti Pseudepigrapha Vol. 25. Brill, 2014, pp. 667-687.
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[@sirupate]

Another superb presentation Thomas, and great to have the references as well

[@trevorgriffiths5611]

I love ❤️ this series.. It clearly shows the development and evolution of Islam ☪️ from its Non Trinitarian Christian roots and not a ready made religion from The pretender Muhammad.. The Quran is testament for this ..

[@MrDrbld]

The Newest Testament...?

[@johnpin715]

YOU CALL A CHILD RAPIST A PHOPHET OF GOD.You would burn in hell for rhat

[@samaatiia1650]

Popularizing these scholarly discoveries is really important for humanity!

[@MrDrbld]

Great to see references and quoted authors. Much appreciated , Thomas.

[@communionvision5914]

@Siraj Haq lol

[@lynnenevill3449]

Great videos, you are very clear & organized! Thank you for your many hours of work with these.

[@sdiz3430]

Thomas, I concur with all the other comments. Appreciate all your work and can't get enough of this great information. Please keep it coming! Much respect from Canada.

[@yakovmatityahu]

Thanks Thomas for this groundbreaking information.

[@samernattifi3883]

Schlomo the ho:mo at it again

[@anthonydsouza7174]

Thank you Thomas and your contemporaries Jay,Dobson and others.Knowledge in Islam strengthened my Faith in Yeshua.

[@markustanbeck9149]

The plot thickens, there are some loose ends in this that I had not seen tied. This is fantastic work Thomas !

[@cognitiveblues]

I usually watch the ads on your channel to make sure you get compensated for your work. HOWEVER, lately your channel gets lots of Islamic ads. I find those repulsive and cannot watch. Is there a way for you to minimize Islamic ads on your channel and choose different ones, or youtube decides and you cannot do anything about it?

[@MrDrbld]

Me 2

[@MT-zr3tg]

Typically the poster of a video is not in control of what ads are placed on it. It's unlikely that Team KZbin would refuse to show an ad related to Islam (ex: an ad soliciting assistance from other Muslims to build a mosque in a certain area, ad for Islamic Relief charity) even if the owner of a channel didn't want them to be present.

[@sdiz3430]

Yes indeed .... they are repulsive.

[@believeme7704]

Thomas is the latest muslim's nightmare

[@ethercruiser1537]

Very concise and illuminating! Thank you.

[@urbandsouza7279]

Very good 👍 God bless you

[@FRED-gx2qk]

Much appreciated Thomas !!!🌋

[@ngatatan2597]

Great presentation. now we know why Isa and Miriam are mentioned so often in the Quran.

[@wildernessofzinn17]

I just stumbled onto your video....fantastic!. I have always been intrigued by the TRUE historical sources of Islam over the SIN we're sold.

[@noorjahan1333]

Surely, the truth shall be revealed and the lies will exposed many will stay away from islam.

[@abuukarata9653]

Are you sure?

[@noorjahan1333]

@@abuukarata9653 piecelam is the cancer for the peaceful for the world 🌎

[@jj-yi1ne]

there is no truth in religion. christianity is a lie also

[@simonhengle8316]

I just watching the presentation again Thomas, and I believe that the Words Islam and Muslim are on the inner ambulatories? if so what was the meaning of those terms back then? thank you

[@pradeenkrishnag2368]

It was Ibn Al Zubair who first minted coins that describes Mohammad as the prophet of God

[@siaboonleong]

@Thomas Alexander What about John and Nikiu and Sebeos ? Sebeos specifically mentioned the name Muhammad and talks about Muhammad

[@fantasia55]

Muhammed was a title used by various brigands.

[@josephsmith7350]

Maybe you could do a video in the future about the timeline of Isra-Miraj and the time Aqsa was actually built

[@Todeskulte_enttarnt]

*Grüß Dich,* klingt spannend, hast Du bitte einen Tipp für ein Video auf Deutsch? (Toll, wie Du die Quellen aufführst, überhaupt nicht typisch KZbinr, weiter so)

[@thenun1846]

Absolutely excellent!

[@communionvision5914]

@Siraj Haq Aishalonzo lol

[@communionvision5914]

@Siraj Haq Aishalonzo high are you?

[@Jeemapologetics]

Other than what was already mentioned briefly, how else did the Persian, or Nestorian Church, affect the political and religious beliefs of Arabia? There were reportedly many Nestorian Christians living in Najran, southern Arabia, and obviously quite a lot in Mesopotamia and Eastern Arabian Gulf coast. And what do you make of the fact that many of the original soldiers out of Arabia were in fact Christians in the first place? They called themselves 'The Believers' and were a combination of different Christian groups as well as some Jews and other Abrahamic followers

[@MrDrbld]

A seperate video could be a detailed timeline of the 'timeline' of the Hijra

[@simontemplar3359]

Hello again! this is fascinating stuff. Mu'awiya is a very hated guy among the Shi'a. I know that the Shi'a teach that Mu'awiya's mother was a Christian. likely a Monophysite christian. i think there may be more to be found in the Shi'a traditions as well. I'm wondering if the 12 imams may be usage of names for Christ or attributes of His, especially if they come from a previously existing Christian group. On the subject of Monophysites, you mentioned that the Coptic Church were Monophysites. I believe that is incorrect. the Copts did and do see themselves as miaphysites. they consider Christ's nature as being fully God and fully man as singular, hence they understand Him in 2 natures just as the Orthodox, the Roman church, etc., but they articulate that nature as being unique. they were and are definitely not Monophysites though. as akways- minor thoughts here, but wanted to share!

[@TAlexander]

I'm using Monophysite and Miaphysite interchangeably, because that's how it has been done throughout most of history. I know that in more recent years, the term "Miaphysite" has become more popular, but I decided to stick to the older and better known term.

[@simontemplar3359]

@@TAlexander i understand the utility of it, but the concern i have us that it puts forward the notion that the Copts were theologically on the same page as the Arians and Nestorians. The Alexandrian church absolutely was Trinitarian. I'm concerned people may mistakenly pull Egypt in with other "Middle Eastern" areas where islam co-opted Monophysite (i e. Heretical) Christianity. That didn't happen in Egypt. I'm a massive fan of your work and I don't want to see someone draw an inaccurate conclusion because of theologically distinct and dissimilar terms are being used interchangeably. Anyway thanks for the great work and for the response!

[@JohnGeometresMaximos]

​@@TAlexander You stated that it took centuries for the koran to reach the form it has today. If this is true then how do you explain the hundreds of contradictions as well as the many historical and factual mistakes found in the koran? Also, all the stories stolen from the OT and the NT and then crudely changed? How could the ulema remain so ignorant for several centuries?

[@Ditka-89]

@@JohnGeometresMaximosI’d like to hear Mr Alexander’s response to this

[@hamsterbox4732]

I might be a bit dumb, but is there any historical evidence of Abu Bakr and any of the other rightful first caliphs who directed and lead the Faithful Arabs after 622 ish

[@MrDrbld]

If you research endlessly though webs and "Islamic Studies" departments at , what passes for even respectable Universities, there is a supine and deeply uniquisitive attitude on the part of researchers and 'historians' re this point. it's like looking for a black cat in a dark room that may or may not be there. F Donner is ambigouos on this point , Hoyland also seems to tolerate a degree of maybe, maybe not, when he ought to declare no such historical evidence. But it prevails...

[@MrDrbld]

@mysotiras 09 He was Robin Hood's drinking pal.

[@fantasia55]

none

[@roshlew6994]

Very informative.. Is there other historical evidence for the Christianity of the sufyanic rulers of Umayyad dynasty?

[@cognitiveblues]

Hi, I have seen your comments on Pfanders Film trolling him. Especially about Mecca being mentioned by Ptolemy. You got a ton of reaction, lol May I know, why are you trolling pretending to be a Muslim on his channel? It is funny, many take you seriously.

[@MrDrbld]

@@cognitiveblues let's see...

[@MrDrbld]

@Θεόδωρος GO THEO...!!

[@StephenCowley001]

One limitation here (thus far, as with Jay Smith and Al Fadi) is the presentation of the underlying secular history. Marxist economic history related ideologies and military events to their economic basis. A more productive society could afford more military resources, for example. This is often false, not least because it sees religion as a secondary effect, but it is at least an attempt at an explanation and a relating of parts in the historical whole. Here the explanations do not seem to go beyond the fortunes of war and the ambitions of rulers (Mu'awiya and Abdul Malik and so on). I wonder if this is typical of the Inara school, or am I missing something, or is it just a limitation of the format? It's interesting stuff though, I'm not denying that!

[@amirpouyaa]

Is it possible that “QUBBA” pronounced “KA’bba” and then changed to the cube and thats why we have “kaaba” az holy place in mecca ? You also have the rock in Kaaba, so both words will be there in mecca, “qubbat al sahra” (sahra = sakhra = the rock) ( qubbat = Qubba = Ka’ba = Kaaba) so you replicated the dome of rock’s “name” into the new place of worship and most probebaly because the original Sahra = stone was light in color they used the Black Rock !! Am i gone too far ?

[@almasrey66]

No, that might explain what happened.

[@jackthisout9480]

al-Malik saw that it is easier to unite a people when it has a religious hero, like a prophet. mohammed was created to support this ideal. I always wondered why the first capital of islam was Damascus, not Mecca. It's clear now.

[@agengsatya96]

dome of rock doesn't have picture like hagia sophia or any typical church

[@michaels4255]

"Melkites practiced Greek Orthodoxy" - a better term in this period would be either Chalcedonian Christianity or Roman Christianity (Greek being synonymous with pagan in the Middle Ages, and the Hellenophone Christians all referring to themselves, and referred to by others as well, as "Romans") as the Greek/Latin theological schism had not yet occurred in the seventh century AD.

[@TAlexander]

Yes, you are right. Because we’re pre-schism, I often use these terms interchangeably which can lead to confusion. “Orthodox” in this time simply means “true faith” according to the Christian majority.

[@xxxs8309]

How about Sebeos mentioning "Mahomet" close to AD670?

[@communionvision5914]

@mysotiras 09 even the variant of ʻmahomet´ in the bible way before Sebeos, but it doesnʻt meant for the SIN prophet.

[@communionvision5914]

@mysotiras 09 that why i said variant

[@xxxs8309]

@Communion Vision it means there was a historical figure who united the Arab tribes and they invaded Jerusalem

[@communionvision5914]

@@xxxs8309 that historical figure had the title Mohammad or whatever language variants they used. The one that use in the bible was not meant to the Mohammad in the SIN. Title Mohammad was exist yes and of course title belong to a body. The real name of the title we’re searching for, whom exactly or few they had the title. And which “one” that SIN was trying to portrait.

[@xxxs8309]

@Communion Vision what has the Bible go to do with Muhammad, all I am saying is that there is historical evidence from an Armenian Priest who lived in 660 wrote that Muhammed existed and was a prophet among the Arabs

[@mannyhabib2867]

So, Thomas first I must say; Jazakallah and subhan allah! I’d like to know how the Shiite formed? The Shiite story in quite compelling, we have Muslims torturing themselves over something t happened

[@mannyhabib2867]

At that time. Please explain this split.

[@fantasia55]

@@mannyhabib2867 The split was much later than the SIN version.

[@roshlew6994]

According to islamic narrative, Yazid succeeded Muawiyah, who was succeeded by Muawiyah-II, who was succeeded by Marwan father of Abd al-malik.

[@MrDrbld]

Isn't that the base of criticism in the video? That the 'folklore' ( so called ' islambic tradition' ) is deeply flawed and does not come up to scrutiny when compared to a stronger interpretation of an alternative historical interpretation.

[@joeroganstrtshots881]

@Siraj Haq Because Arabs weren’t minting coins before 632 lol

[@MrDrbld]

@Siraj Haq Looks like I'll have to do the thinking for both of us. I am fully aware of Jay and company's agenda. I enjoy, and can scrutinse, the content using my own devices without being christian. Not sure why you are mewling about 'my methodology" - stop squirming about any critical review of islamic folklore and provide clear, disconforming evidence for the issues on this video. Clear ones. We cannot be sure about Abd al-Malik if we only ape what is witten by the Abassid storyellers et al. If you cannot demonstrate constructive criticism and think for yourself then post on Karen Armstrong's or Robin Hood fan club websites.

[@joeroganstrtshots881]

@Siraj Haq that there is no Arab coins until nearly 700 to be discovered, they didn’t mint coins until after the fall of the Sassanids because that is when they had to replace Sassanid coins with their own. It’s only logical that Arabs of the Hijaz prior to the fall of the Sassanids propably used Sassanid and Byzantine coins for trade as they were the closest and largest Powers. Byzantines in Syria and Egypt and Sassanid persia. So after the Sassanids and Byzantine Egypt are taken, the new Arab rulers had to legitimize their rule with new currency. Wake up

[@roshlew6994]

@Siraj Haq what is your historical evidence for that? Islamic narrative is not historical evidence.

[@foundthetruth2003]

Well done brother, very interesting, keep pushing back against the lie of Islam.

[@imaginx806]

Is Thomas Alexander a historian or a Christian apologist?

[@das16thegoon]

A neutral historian

[@paulhk2727]

He isn't Christian

[@michaels4255]

70 weeks of Daniel=70*7=490 years Beginning the Third Jewish Revolt (Bar Kochba rebellion): AD 132 AD 132+490 years=AD 622, which would suggest that Jewish apocalypticists played a role in the origin of Islam, such as those associated with the Sassanid backed Jewish revolt against the Roman Empire and the Jewish apocalypse _Sefer Zerubbabel_ .

[@stephanievegter5438]

🇿🇦👍🏻

[@catholicorthodoxfaith2689]

Why didnt Muwayyah or Abd Al Malik, if they were Christians (Monophysite or prenicene ) didnt took over Holy Sepulchre Church from Melkites. They had authority over Jerusalem and whatmore precious than that Church? Why they had to go for Temple mount and make constructions there in opposition to Hagia Sofia & Holy Sepulchre church?

[@qandachristian7614]

Perhaps Hagia Sophia was the most important focal point for projecting both political & religious power at the time. Failed attempts to conquer Constantinople means creating similar edifice at Jerusalem.

[@qandachristian7614]

@Siraj Haq perhaps you can explain all the crosses on all the coins belonging to the early Islamic rulers? What about the 'strange' coincidence that the profit adopted a very well known title for Jesus? What's more interesting is that these new invaders simply took over countless church buildings rather than build their own mosque. Hmmm, very strange indeed 🤔

[@qandachristian7614]

@Siraj Haq 3 claims, zero proof.

[@qandachristian7614]

@Siraj Haq coins and extant buildings with inscription are very good proof actuality, as well as written records close to the event. That's better than 'recitations' written 200 years later after a mass scripture burning 📖🔥 exercise by the leading Khalif & sheep-eating manuscripts. Add to that doctrinal, historic, nomenclature and scientific errors. its all a big mess my friend. The kind of thing that happens when you copy-paste

[@qandachristian7614]

@Siraj Haq Deal with the evidence in this video and stop this obsession about the Trinity.

[@noniusreccaredus]

I-scam revealed!

[@ConservativeArabNet]

First rate

[@muezamueza2797]

Didn't John of Damascus call Muslims "Saracens" and Muhammad a "false prophet"?? The biggest earliest critique of Islam is John of Damascus or St. John of Damascus, also called Saint John Damascene, Latin Johannes Damascenus. He was born c. 675, Damascus and died December 4, 749, near Jerusalem (Eastern and Western feast day December 4). He lived during Abdul Malik bin Marwan rule and perhaps witnessing the construction of Dome of The Rock. In his book The Fountain of Wisdom, in the second part he wrote Concerning Heresy (Perì eréseon) - the last chapter of this part (Chapter 101) deals with the Heresy of the Ishmaelite. He explicitly wrote Muhammad and Islam, like this There is also the superstition of the Ishmaelites which to this day prevails and keeps people in error, being a forerunner of the Antichrist. They are descended from Ishmael, [who] was born to Abraham of Agar, and for this reason they are called both Agarenes and Ishmaelites. They are also called Saracens, which is derived from Sarras kenoi, or destitute of Sara, because of what Agar said to the angel: ‘Sara hath sent me away destitute.’ [99] These used to be idolaters and worshiped the morning star and Aphrodite, whom in their own language they called Khabár, which means great. [100] And so down to the time of Heraclius they were very great idolaters. From that time to the present a false prophet named Mohammed has appeared in their midst. This man, after having chanced upon the Old and New Testaments and likewise, it seems, having conversed with an Arian monk, [101] devised his own heresy. Then, having insinuated himself into the good graces of the people by a show of seeming piety, he gave out that a certain book had been sent down to him from heaven. He had set down some ridiculous compositions in this book of his and he gave it to them as an object of veneration. Sorthodoxinfo.com/general/stjohn_islam.aspx On the Catholics Ensyclopedia you can find a short paragraph on Jhon of Damascus about Islam and Muhammad. The second part, "Concerning Heresy", is little more than a copy of a similar work by Epiphanius, brought up to date by John Damascene. The author indeed expressly disclaims originality except in the chapters devoted to Islamism, Iconoclasm, and Aposchitae. To the list of eighty heresies that constitute the "Panarion" of Epiphanius, he added twenty heresies that had sprung up since his time. In treating of Islamism he vigorously assails the immoral practices of Mohammed and the corrupt teachings inserted in the Koran to legalize the delinquencies of the prophet www.newadvent.org/cathen/08459b.htm Conclusion In his book The Fountain of Wisdom, St John of Damascus called Muslims “Saracens”, “Ishmaelites” and “Agarenes”, except that the “Saracens” designation might have been used earlier. All those names were pejorative. He lived during Abdul Malik bin Marwan rule and perhaps witnessing the construction of Dome of The Rock, and very likely saw the name of Mohammad inscriptions on the dome rock ambulatory. But according to Thomas bogus history the Mohammad name on the dome rock ambulatory is actually meaning the blessed one and Is referred to Jesus. Very Strange Jhon of Damascus saw Muhammad name inscription in the dome of the rock. He never thought that name was Jesus, Because he specifically called Muhammad by name six times 1) From that time (the reign of Heraclius) to the present a false prophet named Mohammed has appeared in their midst 2) As has been related, this Mohammed wrote many ridiculous books, to each one of which he set a title. 3) Mohammed had a friend named Zeid. 4) This man had a beautiful wife with whom Mohammed fell in love 5) Once, when they were sitting together, Mohammed said: ‘Oh, by the way 6). Mohammed says that the Christ asked God for a table and that it was given Him It is really funny to see Thomas, a Christian polemicist KZbinr deceiving millions of Christians into believing in his theory that Mohammad is title of Jesus …..hahaha.

[@lorefox201]

he's doing critical theory to the Qur'an like generations did it to the Bible. He doesn't understand that doing so will only motivate people to do it more. Critical theory is to be discredited.

[@muezamueza2797]

Textual Criticizm cannot be applied to the Quran 1) Examples of textual criticism of the Bible When textual criticism is applied to the New Testament, people compare older manuscripts with those written later, to find differences that can be used to detect forgery in later manuscripts. One well-known case is the textual criticism of John 5:7-8 which is often quoted in support of the Trinity. Verse 7 of the fifth chapter of the First Epistle of John reads: "Because there are three in Heaven that testify - the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit - and these three are one." This verse is seen in Latin and Greek texts after the 4th century and is found in later translations such as the King James Translation, but cannot be found in earlier Greek, Ethiopian, Aramaic, Syriac, Slavic, Armenian, Georgian New Testament translations. , and Arabic. Modern Biblical scholars largely agree that Verse 7, known as the Comma Johanneum, is a forgery but continues to be quoted by scholars and trinitarian Christian defenders. Another well-known case is the textual criticism of the story of Jesus and the woman who commits adultery (or Pericope Adulterae). This passage (pericope) is found in John 8:1-20, and has been the subject of much scholarly discussion. This Pericope Adulterae is found only in later NT manuscripts, but cannot be found in early NT manuscripts such as. Papyri 66 (c. 200) and 75 (early 3rd century); Codices Sinaiticus and Vaticanus (4th century), also apparently Alexandrinus and Ephraemi (5th), Codices Washingtonianus and Borgianus also from the 5th century, Regius from the 8th (but with a blank space expressing the copyist's awareness of the passage), Athous Lavrensis (c. 800), Petropolitanus Purpureus, Macedoniensis, Sangallensis (with a distinct blank space) and Koridethi from the 9th century and Monacensis from the 10th; Therefore the famous Comma Johanneum was a 5th forgery and Pericope Adulterae was 10th century forgery. Just Google it on internet, you will how these Biblical forgery was made. Using the same textual criticism to NT people find some other well known forgeries ini Gospel such as -The sermon on the Mount, -The story of Jesus' birth (Luke 2:1-21) -The great command to baptize all nation -The stories of Jesus' resurrection! 2) The main source transmission of the Quran is not mushaf (manuscript) Christian Polemicist often questioned the absence of a quranic manuscript from the uthmanic era (7th century) as evidence that the Quran is no longer authentic. So why the Christian Polemicist ask this silly question, because If we ask them, where is the first century Gospel written by the disciples of Jesus. Nobody can answer that question either. This question arise because Christian Polemicist realised that Bible is not the word of God, it is written by man and it has undergone many changes. Well..... we quite understand their feeling. Here is a confusion made by jay smith. ##kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYrHYqaVptGBobc I think Christian Polemicist are envious because the Bible can never claim to be word of God a holy book whose authenticity is preserved like the Quran.... Ha ha ha. The existence of the early quranic manuscript cannot be used as an indication to measure the authenticity of the quran. The main reason is because the main source transmission of the Quran is not mushaf (manuscript) but by memorization the whole Quran. Quran is in fact the only sacred text that be completely memorized by people. This video shows someone that produces three copies of the Quran from memory (see at 3.00/3.50 min) ##kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6GYhal_rq97pbM The practice of producing a complete Quranic manuscript, totally from memory, has been practiced for more than 1400 years. Most of the written Quran before the invention of printing machines were derived from memory. The widely used Quran in The world today was derived, not from written manuscript (mushaf), but from memorized Hafs Recitation that put into written form. This standard Quran printed in Egypt in 1924, and now used by 95 percent of Muslim world including Iran) 3) Dan Brubakers work on Quran Corection prove Quran preservation Why Jay Smith cannot find the forgery in the Quran because all the written Quran are all written in exactly the same skeletal text (Uthmanic rasm), the differences is only in reading some of few words due to dialectical differences Dan Brubaker has done a good job on analysing correction in early Qur'an manuscript. Those correction were made by people who memorized Quran more than thousands years ago. He found the corrected version is very similar to Hafs Quran printed in 1924. Christians polemicist often misused Dan's finding by circulating a big lie about Quranic manuscript corrections as corruption that the Qur'an is not preserved. But w hen someone asks Brubaker how similar early Qur'an are? The answer is YES by and large they are very similar. Watch the answer starting at this time 2:30/15.40. ##kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXiqhIewmJJoj6c In this video and in any other Dan Brubackers on correction in early Qur'an manuscript, you will not find a single word from him indicating there are forgery or corruption in the early Qur'an manuscript. Dan Brubackers finding prove that Quran is preserved. 4) Jay Smith's failed attempt to textually criticize the Quran Al Fadi And Jay Smith have tried many times to apply textual criticism of the Qur'an by presenting different readings in Hafs and Warsh reading. These big mouthed liars can only point out the reading difference, something Muslims have known more than thousands of years before. They cannot answer which one is true and which one is false. Jay Smith could not find any forgeries in the Quran such as the famous New Testament forgeries, the Comma Johanneum forgeries and the Pericope Adulterae forgeries. 2.1) First Failed Trial Jay Smith did a textual critique of the Quran in Chapter 1 Verse 4. Here is the video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGGtaqyOitlrmMU In the video they criticize the verses written in Rasm Usman (skeletal text) Maliki yaumidin ‎ملك يوم الدين The second word يوم الدين is read and meant the same in all reading, the only difference is in how to read the first word ملك where in the reading of Hafs - Maliki - king Warsh - Maaliki - owner They cannot answer which one is true and which one is false, the skeletal text is exactly the same in all quranic manuscript, they are all follow the Usmanic Rasm. Differences arise when some of the same skeletal text is read by people with different dialects There is no theological difference due to the two reading variants. The two reading differences are not like the differences in the synoptic gospels, where each page of the Bible contains different pages... hahaha. 2.2) Next Failed Trial Jay Smith did a textual critique of the Quran in Chapter 2 Verse 183. Here is the video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZq6dXl3qNWGnq8 In the video they criticize the verses written in Rasm Usman (skeletal text) toamu miskin ‎اطعم مسكين The first word اطعم is read and meant the same in all reading, the difference is in how to read the second word مسكين in the reading of Hafs - Miskeenen - poor person Warsh - Masakeenen - poor people They cannot answer which one is true and which one is false, because the skeletal text is exactly the same in all quranic manuscript, they are all follow the Usmanic Rasm. Differences arise when some of the same skeletal text is read by people with different dialects. Muslims have no trouble choosing one of these two options. Because the Prophet said, "The Qur'an was revealed in seven ahruf, so read it in a way that is easier for you". Based on the commandment, There is a rule that has been in effect since 1400 years ago, you can feed one poor person or Feed many poor people. If you are rich, you can feed more than one, two or three people If you are very rich, you can feed all the poor people in your city. If you are an ordinary person, just feed one person if you are poor feed yourself.... hahaha So where are the big theological differences that they always exaggerate. This reading variant only enriches the meaning.... hahaha 4). Some kind of Qiraat Also present in English language kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIKXqoqBfZyMe9E An American and an Englishman will use different expressions when describing the team that is playing The team is playing -> US English The team are playing -> UK English There are many things like the above in the Quran. Although the Rasm used is the exact same, the reading and meaning can be different.

[@Sam-yo3rm]

You serious Abdul ? You realise that was a later interpolation right ? Don't act like a typical Muslim apologist , there's nothing about Muhammad as a prophet or his rightly guided four caliphs , these are fictional character who've been imputed upon certain historical figures, but messed. John of Damascus mentions these Arabs as heretics , heretics of what ? Christianity . Regarding the mushaf , doesn't your fairy tale Hadith mentions Umar and uthman compiling 2 Quran at discrete time of years at 634 and 652 ? Where are those Mushaf's ? Don't say memorisation , if you don't have a written source , it's physiologically impossible to memorise , you have to have a visual source to store in your hippocampus . And how would you recheck if something is wrong ? Where would you go to ? How would you know of something is wrong or not ? Is memorisation is perfect then why Umar was so ignorant of Muhammad receiving revelations in 7 dialects? Why did he implore Abu Bakr to compile ? Why were there differences among believers ? Why first of all compile Quran if even Muhammad didn't do it ? Wasn't his purpose specifically that ? If he forgot to compile or didn't consider it to why did they do it ? Uthman sent 5,7 or maybe 9 copies to all provinces , where is even 1 of it ? If he controlled all the land where he sent his copies why not one coin with his name ? Why not even one of the four ? And don't talk about variants in Quran , variants aren't just diacritical , and even if it were its still a problem since you say there's only 7 dialects your prophet received and yet there were around 700 and even that you have around 34. Earliest manuscripts don't have Dialects and they have thousands of variants in them , it's rasm , not just diacritics. Abdul next time come with a better argument

[@Gropylol]

THOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMAS

[@blockingtheology5573]

The claims against the Hijrah are probably far fetched. I have the hypothesis that the term fitrah may have been imported from Muslims during the first Hijrah fleeing to Abyssinia. „FITRA is a "noun of kind" (Wright, Grammar* i, 123d) to the infinitive fatr and means (an Ethiopic loan-meaning, see Schwally, in ZDMG, liii, 199 f.; Nöldeke, Neue Beiträge, 49), "a kind or way of creating or of being created". It occurs in Kur'an, XXX, 29 (khilka, Baydawl) and other forms of this verb in the same meaning occur 14 times. But though Muhammad uses derived forms freely, it was obscure to his hearers. Ibn ´Abbas did not understand it until he heard a Bedouin use it of digging a well,and then the Bedouin probably meant the genuinely Arab sense of shakk (Lisdn, vi, 362, 1. 20).“ (Quotation from The Enceclopaedia of Islam, Vol 2, p.931f. link: https: // library. ut. ac. ir/ the-encyclopaedia-of-islam) Meanings and origins of fatr (leading to the „noun of a kind“ fitrah) as summary of the german text (citaton given at the end oft he paragraph): In this text (starting from page 199) Schwally gives 4 possible origins of „fatara“ „fatir“ referencing to arabian lexica (splitting, breaking the fast, unleavened, creating). For „splitting“ there are similarities with the assyrian and hebrew language, for breaking the fast he assumes an syriac-christian background, unleavend is of aramaic origin, for „creating“ an ethiopian origin is assumed, where it is used in this connotation quite commonly. Schwally describes also that a lot of words for religious terms or religious cult artifacts stem from ethiopian language. In: Zeitschrift der Deutschen Morgenländischen Gesellschaft (ZDMG), Bd. 53, S. 199f. link: http: // menadoc.bibliothek .uni -halle. de/dmg/periodical/titleinfo/63115 So the term „fitrah“ probably came back when some of the muslims fleeing to Abyssinia (Kingdom of Aksum) in the first hijra in 615 returned in 616. https: // en. wikipedia. org /wiki/ Migration_to_Abyssinia). These datings correlate very well with the surah mentioning the term „fitrah“ beeing revealed in the latest mekkan period.

[@simonhengle8316]

There is no archaeological evidence for the Hijrah, let alone a Mecca in 622

[@blockingtheology5573]

@@simonhengle8316 There is quite a lot of archeological evidence for Mekka being situated in Petra.

[@simonhengle8316]

@@blockingtheology5573 Watch and learn kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHirkGiaa9Gno6c

[@blockingtheology5573]

@@simonhengle8316 So how does that rule out Hijrah?

[@simonhengle8316]

@@blockingtheology5573 Seriously? there was NO Hijrah, what is so difficult to understand? Facts relevant to the 7th Century showing the Standard Islamic Narrative to be false, information from Islamic scholars such as the ‘Inarah’ group etc. 1. Mecca was only a hamlet (at best) in the desert with very little water. Forget the myth of the Zamzam Well, and Mecca isn’t on any Historical Map until the 900. 2. Mecca (only mentioned once in the Quran) wasn’t on any historical map until the 9th century. The Quran talks about a fertile place, with a stream, fruits, olive trees, fields etc., which Mecca certainly didn’t and doesn’t have. 3. Medina was an insignificant little place. 4. The term ‘Mohammad’ (Praised One) was first found on a Christian coin in 661 referring to Jesus, the coin had Christian symbols. 5. The term Mohammad was used by Arab Christians for Jesus until the mid-8th century. 6. The Mohammad that Muslims think of was an Abbasid invention in the late 8th century or early 9th century, there are four Mohammad’s in the Korans/Qurans, the Muslim/Abbasid Mohammad in the Quran is last of the four an Abbasid interpolation, the first three refer to Jesus. 7. The Dome of the Rock was not a Mosque; it was built by Abdul al Malik as an anti-trinitarian Christian building. Both Abdul al Malik and his brother were anti-trinitarian Christians and used Christian symbols on their coins. 8. The only original parts of the Dome of the Rock are the inner ambulatories and the Mohammad’s written on them refer to Jesus, and they are decorated with lots of grapes. 9. There was no Islamic Korans/Qurans in the 7th Century. The proto-Quran was in fact Christian lectionaries written in Aramaic and old Arabic. This has led to many mistranslations in the much later Islamic/Abbasid Quran. For example, it is not Virgins that men get in Paradise but Grapes!!! Conclusion; What Muslims believe today is a fraudulent story started by the Abbasids when they came into power in 749. The Abbasids bastardised the Arab Anti-trinitarian Christian lectionaries (combined with the mistranslations) to form their Qurans to suit their agenda.

[@thepilgrim1581]

'Islam is not the learning of the truth in GOD but rather the delusional training of the mind to think it is the truth in GOD.' Amen Peace be unto all the misguided. Only thru JESUS CHRIST can you walk the path towards the Kingdom of Heaven. Amen

[@talios9751]

Did Jesus have a God? He did say the Father is his God (right before alleged crucifixion). A God cannot have a God. Learn about your faith

[@thepilgrim1581]

@@talios9751 Provide proof of verse and do not make things up. Muhammad insulted JESUS CHRIST and was punished severely. I will prove that to you later. Now provide proof. Thanks

[@cathymiller2798]

@@talios9751 There is One Faith Ephesians 4 -5 One Lord One Faith One Baptism ~ There is NO Interfaith Religion ... The counterfeits as lead by the Papacy false peace and unity bring AntiChrist Daniel 8:25b AND by Peace he shall destroy many ~ Theres no Abrahamic covenant outside of Jesus the Savior Galatians 3:28 There is neither jew nor greek; there is neither bond nor free; there is neither male nor female in Christ For ye are all One in Christ 29 And if ye be Christ's , then are ye Abraham's seed and heirs according to the Promise ~ Galatians 2:8-9 For by Grace are ye Saved through Faith and that not of yourselves It is the gift of God And not of works lest any man shall boast ~

[@thepilgrim1581]

@@cathymiller2798 Amen Sister 🙏

[@talios9751]

@@thepilgrim1581 John 17:3 (the father is the only true God); Mathew 24:36 (only the Father knows the final hour; Mathew 26:39 (Jesus prayed to father). THats just a few examples. Jesus never claimed to be God. And you know nothing of Muhammad (pbh). Read the Quran, Jesus (pbh) is honored with Mary. An entire chapter is named after her. No one in this world respects Jesus like muslims.

[@Za..bompbaaa]

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[@Humble.Servant]

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How can a man be *BORN-AGAIN* ? To be Born-Again in spiritual sense, is to die to our old sinful nature and be born-again in the spirit, to be holy, righteous with a new nature in Christ Jesus. 👉To be born-again, we need to repent & confess our sinful past for a holy future. What is *REPENTANCE* ? 👉 *_REPENTANCE_* ! Everyone born into this world is a Born-sinner. Human nature is a sinful nature. Sin in us has defiled us and has separated us from the Holy GOD! We have to repent for all the unholy, lawless transgressions of God’s commandments done willfully or unknowingly, in order to obtain mercy and grace so that we might not be judged and fall into condemnation, the condemnation of eternal hell. 📖 Acts.3:19 says,..✔️Repent, then, and turn to GOD, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the LORD. What is *CONFESSION* of sins? 👉 *_CONFESSION_* ! 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The sole purpose of sending Jesus Christ into this world more than 2020 ago is this👇 📖John.3:16-17 says " 👉 *GOD so loved the world* (us) that *He* (Father GOD) gave *His* only begotten Son *to die for us* ( our redemption ), that *whosoever believes in Him* (Jesus) *should not perish* (in hell) but *have everlasting life.* 👉 GOD has not sent His Son to condemn the world (us), but the world (we) through Him (Jesus Christ) might be saved. ⏩⏩⏩⏩⏩⏩⏩⏩⏩⏩⏩⏩⏩⏩⏩ *Dear Bro/Sis* .🙏🏼, You may be of any race, religion or creed. Rich or poor. White or black or brown. You may be the least sinner or the worst sinner on earth. You may leading the worst of immoral life against the principles of the Almighty GOD. God is concerned about your future and not your past. All He asks you is to repent and confess your sins to obtain mercy and have a secured and a blessed hope! 📖 Hebrews.10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. ➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖ *If you say this small prayer with faith* . 👇 “ LORD JESUS, I am a sinner, I have committed so many sins knowingly and unknowingly. Have mercy on me. Please forgive my every sin with your precious, Holy blood shed on the cross to save me. I believe you died on the cross, you were buried and rose again the third day for my justification. I believe you are the Almighty GOD! Accept me as your child. Help me to lead a holy life. Fill my heart with joy, give me heart to seek you. _In Jesus precious name, I ask and believe_ . *Amen* !🙏🏼 ➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖➖ 👆 If you have said this prayer, I can assuredly tell you that you are a new creation. You are Born-Again in the spirit through the righteousness of Jesus Christ. 📖 2 Corinthians 5:17 “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.” 👉 *_Be Holy as the LORD your GOD is Holy_* ! ⏩ *FORSAKE SIN* ! 📖Proverbs.28:13 says.. ✔️He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy. 👉📖Mark.16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not 📌shall be condemned ⏩Read the Bible 📖⏩Know the Truth⏩Go to a Christ centered Church⏩Be Baptized⏩Be Blessed! ⏩May the Holy Spirit GOD lead you & guide you! 👉 Be prepared for the RAPTURE! ( Return of Jesus Christ. 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[@cmsacademy1673]

What a lot of non sense. Seriously no academic Dan take this serious