The OTHER Rings of Power | The Tale of the Nine & the Seven

[@jeanettewishall6362]

You are absolutely my favorite Tolkienologist. While others seem to just read from the old online Arda encyclopedia, you re-illuminate the works of The Professor and shine light on details missed or forgotten. You not only KNOW the material you seem to truly UNDERSTAND it. Thank you for sharing your vision and also, in this video in particular, thank you for your treatment of Celebrimbor and Boromir. They truly are heroes.

[@joelvenga]

Agree wholeheartedly

[@jennyc3919]

You should check out girlnextGondor, she is also a true Tolkien scholar

[@billybob9524]

His speech impediment is a bit strange tho

[@joelvenga]

@@billybob9524 i have a similar impediment, so I had to go back and listen for it. I find it quite comforting

[@tarynolyvia]

Exactly! Preach 🙌🙌

[@GreatGreebo]

What kind of elven magic is this?!? *TWO* Tolkien Untangled videos in one week?!? What a treat; Thank you *Rainbow Dave.*

[@Jedi.Bricks]

we are blessed

[@franciscofracaro3648]

It's called: desperately trying to stop amazon's rings of power's disinformation lmao

[@MrZeezaw]

Totally agree :)😊

[@TheJmlew11]

2 vids in such close proximity? We are eating so good!! Always glad to see your work!

[@mrs.manrique7411]

Only a king would provide such a feast. 🤴

[@jeremydouglas1763]

Thank you for the video and the Celebrimbor support. I think he should get massive extra props for being a good guy despite the influence of his deeply suspect father, grandfather and uncle.

[@tarynolyvia]

Just woke up on my birthday to a new Tolkien Untangled video. Thank you, Rainbow 🌈 Dave! So excited to jump into another wonderful lore video from the most thorough and well versed Tolkien KZbinr! ❤

[@tolkienuntangled]

Happy birthday!

[@sarahgould5435]

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[@tarynolyvia]

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[@tarynolyvia]

@@sarahgould5435thank you!!

[@GenuinelyCurious120]

Happy birthday 🎂

[@godocs11]

You have a magnificent gift of story telling, Rainbow Dave.

[@TomThumb151515]

I just started watching this video but I’m already loving it especially how the artwork is curated to find great art. All these videos have great visuals

[@Dahnyule]

Literally in the middle of re-watching another one of your masterpieces when this new vid popped up on my screen, what a treat! I hope you do not feel pressured into making shorter videos solely for the sake of quick content refreshment. Your brand of ultra-detailed, deeply thoughtful narratives with all the lovely tangential exposition is absolutely something that is sorely lacking from all other creators and lore masters out there and has really become the identifying trait of this wonderful channel! Thank you for being you Dave! ❤

[@MarleyFett]

51 years ago our favorite author passed away and went to illuvatar❤❤❤ I can not express how much he meant to me and countless others. He even helped me in learning the English language.❤️🙏🙏🙏🙏❤️

[@nancyhayes9958]

Really. How did Tolkien help you learn English? My 6th grade teacher read us the Hobbit a chapter at a time in Friday afternoons. About 12.5 years later I got my MA in English lit with a thesis on Tolkien.

[@ThunderhawkVeronicaLazerwolf]

Thank you, as always!! I love your stance on Celebrimbor. As with Isildur, lots of readers, myself included, wrongly conclude that these characters fail. There are levels of depth throughout the Legendarium that I never would have appreciated without your work. Looking forward to whatever is next!!

[@bityew]

DAVE! Another video so soon?!?! I am in heaven with all this content! Thank you for finding the time (and creative focus) in your busy schedule for this important background (I say that because the AHEM! "Very Broadly Based On Tolkien" show is back, and certainly plays fast and loose with the lore; so it feels appropriate to have genuine lore prominently available...).

[@frct6273]

Celebrimbor got the last laugh…. Never quite looked at it that way before. Thanks!

[@haleyschreiter9746]

Perfect timing with the release of this one, Rainbow Dave! ❤

[@denissediaz3640]

Omg two vids! Thanks Dave I’ve missed you

[@starryk79]

you got such a fantastic voice telling for epic stories. Thank you for your amazing work of bringing Middle Earth lesser known or worked out stories to life.

[@ZephyrOptional]

Good timing for REAL ring lore!!

[@Harpyr1031]

Great work RD. Glad to see another video out so quickly. Thank you for all your hard work. It is much appreciated.

[@roberthengst3718]

Melkor's chaotic essence was still at work while the rings were being forged that is why even with Sauron's training the power of the rings was unpredictable to some extent.

[@wd2989]

I am enormously grateful for your content. You have a rare talent of bringing out so many minute details of Tolkien’s writing - connecting names, interpretations, events , actions beyond any other channel I’ve come across. It’s almost as if you have cognitive access to the Tolkien Spirit. I can’t imagine how you know the author’s work so intimately! It’s as if you’ve written every single detail of ALL of Tolkien’s works multiple times to have such mastery of content. That mastery combined with your skill at storytelling is entertaining and unique. I am inspired to wish some high level of success for you in reward for all the effort and skill you’ve poured out for us. I truly would love to see your talent recognized and rewarded on a grand scale not only for your Tolkien compilation & content but also for some work uniquely of your own creation ! I feel blessed to have enjoyed your work.

[@tolkienuntangled]

That’s really kind of you, thank you very very much!

[@hfcriske]

This is so awesome. Even when I think I know all there is to know about something, these videos prove me wrong time and time again :)

[@smmbod]

Cannot believe how blessed we are to have 2 videos so close together, thank you Rainbow Dave!!!!

[@dsartin3594]

Thank you Dave. I have read everything Tolkien. Multiple, multiple times. But somehow I missed things. Little nuance here and there you are able to bring to the surface. You’ve added life to something I hold dear. Something I thought I knew inside and out. And yet every video you make I learn something I missed. Can’t wait for the next video. Thanks again ❤️

[@tolkienuntangled]

That’s wonderful, thanks for the lovely words!

[@llewenthen6305]

Oh, thank Illuvatar! I was so confused after watching RoP. What a relief. 😀

[@ryvyr]

Verily your voice and weaving of lore are legendary and amongst the most underrecognized gifts to posterity ;w;

[@Mateo2822]

My #1 favorite youtube channel. Great info. Well delivered. Wonderful demeanor.

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks! I appreciate that!

[@dlevi67]

I'm not sure that Celebrimbor (and the Gwaith-i-Mirdain) intended to defend the 16; in fact, Tolkien states in Letter 131 that "the others (the 16 and possibly lesser rings) they tried to destroy". Presumably with little effect, lacking a friendly dragon or two.

[@tolkienuntangled]

That’s a very interesting point! Thanks for sharing it!

[@Gorlim_the_Unhappy]

It's always a good day when there's a new video, two in a week has me all giddy. Much love! Thank you!

[@Diregecko]

Love listening to your voice, enlightening the world about those things that are dear to my heart. If only the makers of Rings of Power had listened (and heeded them) to some of your content. Keep it up, subscription secured.

[@daytonaander4394]

Nothing better then my favorite KZbinr uploading twice in one week

[@Mallarkey]

Thanks for the considered, intelligent videos you post. Great to have a Brit doing such quality stuff. You & InDeepGeek keeping our end up on this side of the pond.

[@darko-man8549]

I love Celebrimbor, cursed with the blood of Feanor but always with a good heart. His acts, imo, were not selfish in intent, though he gave into a desire to seek power for good, still carrying on part of blood of Feanor.

[@Enerdhil]

The blood doesn't curse anyone. The Oath of Fëanor is what cursed the Fëanorians. Did Celebrimbor take the oath and then disavow it when he disavowed the works of his father Curufin? Or did he never swear the Oath?

[@brettmuir5679]

Mr Dave, you are the only one I trust implicitly for all things Arda When I think about the 14 hrs you made on "The Children of Hurin" and all of your insightful commentary you provided, I feel a gratitude to geek out in Tolkien with a fellow nerd. Thank You are small words for how I feel about this channel yet I say them again. Thank you :)

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks very much for your kind words!

[@thatcrossfitdude]

2 videos in a week?!?! Whhaaattt??? This is crazy. After watching the last misconceptions video, I was strolling through the Playlist and realised that’s I had missed Lords of Beleriand and boy, oh boy is it a treat ❤

[@jayt9608]

Here is a thought: The Ruling Ring on Sauron's hand is also a great disappointment. This Ring is said to betray all who wield it, and this is seen in Isuldur, Deagol, Gollum, Frodo, and lastly, Gollum for the final time. However, the Ring first cheats Sauron. Sauron not only failed in his objective to control any of the Rings controlled by elves, but they put them away. So even lesser rings are useless to him. In the end, the Ring is taken from his hand in battle, not the first time it will so abandon a master, and passes away from him. Then, no matter how he bends his will to it, the Ring always move aside of his purpose, thus cheating him still. In a final irony, the Ring betrays Gollum, Sauron, and even it's own self by dropping into the chasms of Doom to be unmade. Sauron, in his malice, created an instrument to betray, and ever after, all Sauron's designs go amiss. They may not appear to do so for generations, but when the Dark Lord is a primordial being, centuries are meaningless. So the Ring betrays, as is its very nature, until the very end. Even its resting place is removed as it seems that Mt. Doon appears to tear itself apart in cataclysmic pyrotechnics.

[@JAB6322]

I'll take your vids anytime over Wigs of Power 😆 Glad to see you again 🌈 Dave!

[@SytRReD]

I love aaaaall your videos ; this one was especially well written and narrated ! 😍 thank you!!

[@SytRReD]

Were I in a position to do so, I would gladly call you Elf-Friend, or advocate that you are called so! You bow to no one ;)

[@meccevil321]

Finally. Some f-ing good content about the Rings of Power ❤

[@TheBlueWizardOfWestVirginia]

Rainbow Dave's inner Took has taken hold, two videos aka bangers in such a short time; tremendous.

[@DimensionRIFT]

Great video! Thanks for the awesome work on this.

[@tonyblais9914]

Peter Jackson should hire you as a lore master for the next lord of the rings movie there working on

[@MickyB76]

Well said i totally agree with that idea 👍🏼

[@nadinemottley5229]

Another great video, Rainbow Dave! Absolutely loved it. How is the book coming along? I can imagine with your attention to detail it will be a fascinating read no matter the subject. Hope you are well, and thank you again for your amazing work ❤

[@brooke5258]

Love your channel, Rainbow Dave. Thank you ❤

[@jennatomlin1273]

Another fantastic deep dive. What an absolute joy to listen to, and a solid refresher of events. Following the Dwarven Rings was especially wonderful because I hadn't really tracked them before! Thank you once again!

[@michaelogrady232]

Always great insights from Dave!

[@johnt.inscrutable1545]

I totally love your narration. Your voice and the emotion laden tone is so apt. I find it entrancing and moving. Thank you.

[@redcloud16]

Love your videos. This is a great video, especially with Rings of Power s2 starting up. (I know the lore in that show is ALL OVER the place, but i am enjoying it). I love your enthusiasm for Tolkien

[@r_achylahey]

How are we so lucky!? Another phenomenal vid!

[@michaelh5720]

Brilliant channel 👍🏻👍🏻

[@oneidawolf776]

Thanks for the vid Dave! always look forward to them!

[@astridchladek1927]

Two videos in such short time! Oh happy week! Thank you Dave! As always pure pleasure to indulge in this pleasure😍😍💖💖🌈🌈

[@GingerTheMusical]

I feel spoiled! ❤ I appreciate the work you put into these essays, but omg this is such a treat! Love you Rainbow Dave!

[@BassMastaTrotta]

Took me a few weeks but I've finally finished all your videos. Now I am empty and lost and can't wait for the next one!

[@emiblux98]

Why oh why dont they give you a billion dolars to make a series??!!! Any of your videos would make for such a great story, entertaining but profound and respectful of the books! You are a gift to Tolkiens fans! Thank you Dave!

[@3piece598]

Yes! Keep em coming my friend! Great content! Liked and subbed a few days ago, and have been Binge watching your stuff. It’s so good!

[@kelvinbadloo2845]

I literally have watched and listened to all your videos multiple time. It’s literally my go to listening material

[@woutersca]

You're baaaaack!!!!! Yesss!!! You're the best! Had to watch shit for 3 months, thank Iluvatar for Rainbow Daaaaave

[@borjagarcia-conde8277]

So good you are back, please keep it coming!!!

[@lordofthehouseofstormcrows8615]

Mae Govannon RD! Hope all is well with you and yours! Keep up the great work Mellon. Always good to hear your voice. I love your interpretation of Tolkien works. Celebrimbor is my favorite doomed character in any book. He was as fiery as his Dad and Grandfather.

[@coreyander286]

28:00 to 28:20: Funnily enough, in an early version of the _Lord of the Rings_ backstory, after Isildur lost the Ring in the river, a fish swallowed it and went crazy before spitting it out elsewhere where Smeagol eventually found it. So maybe there's a precedent for these Ring-swallowing dragons being affected. I guess Carcharoth is also a precedent.

[@astridchladek1927]

Danke!

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thank you very much!

[@Blue_Grass_Girl]

Oh thank you for this!

[@_anneli_]

I love your videos and narration style so much!

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks!

[@SpeakyDeak]

nice timing, good to get it straight

[@What.in.a.name.of.Tolkien]

Perfect! love your videos and definitely the best Tolkien lore Channel on YT✨✨ Thank you for this! deserves much more attention and followers! Epic video as usual..👍

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks very much!

[@MrBrianbeyer]

Another video - what a day!

[@charlieidda6236]

Thanks🤟

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thank you very much! Greatly appreciated!

[@danielfox9461]

Me just being baffled because the close captioning on my phone that only has at best 80% accuracy relating English just perfectly spelled every Tolkienish word in the video, like my phone speaks better Elvish than English

[@tolkienuntangled]

Haha, that’s because I added subtitles. The closed captioning is absolute nonsense otherwise!

[@danielfox9461]

@@tolkienuntangled wow dude that's like an extraordinary level of effort to go to for the what maybe 10-15% of viewers that are nerdy enough Tolkien fans to catch that if they even see the CC, or am I vastly underestimating both the number and nerdiness of Tolkien fans? Either way from someone who has noticed the incredible attention to detail and amount of effort you put in to making the best possible Tolkien content please accept my most sincere thanks and admiration. You sir are a Glorfindel among lesser lords. Please keep it up.

[@keyboarddancers7751]

Usual exceptional level of Tolkienology

[@chrischapman2879]

Loved this. A superb edition to your catalogue.

[@tolkienuntangled]

Many thanks! Much appreciated!

[@FrankBarnwell-xi8my]

The being duped by Sauron, was a large club. Celebimbor, Saruman, nearly Gandalf for a while.

[@neilfromstan]

Love your videos Dave!

[@tolkienuntangled]

I appreciate that!

[@franciscordon9230]

Absolutely amazing. Your Tolkien videos are incredible.

[@triamberonilla2427]

This is waaay better to watch than the OTHER Rings of Power story 😂

[@Enerdhil]

So true. No lore vs pure lore.

[@WickedSZN]

Best Tolkien channel out there

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks!

[@louisebrouillette5580]

Rainbow Dave, another great video. Keep them coming.

[@Vectorsmoon]

Thank you for another awesome video! Your passion really brings Tolkien’s words to life 🐸

[@tolkienuntangled]

My pleasure!

[@j8n305]

The timing is not lost on me 😉

[@MRAIClassroom]

Cheeky rainbow Dave

[@chrischapman2879]

The best stuff starts at 0.01 and ends at the end. ❤

[@roberthaynes488]

Another video! So soon! We will get spoiled to this. Thank you, Rainbow Dave!

[@baneofwar3304]

Celebimbor's death is always particularly brutal to imagine. I am aware that there are many other instances that display the dark lords' malice, but this one hits me hard everytime. I was quite horrified the first time I pictured how he met his end.

[@stefanol7814]

Ironically, Celebrimbor's main guilt are the Elven Rings themselves, not having learned and used Sauron's powerful "magic" technique. I fully agree with Michael Martinez's take here: the Three are nothing short of an abomination and a blasphemy against the One, insofar they are aimed at negating the natural course of life in Middle-Earth and Time itself. It's not a coincidence that the Three were wrought in absolute secret and kept secret even afterwards, when they were admittedly unusable due to the overarching influence of the One.

[@dlevi67]

That's an interesting (and possible) take. However, I disagree with Martinez, considering what we know of Morgoth's ring. How does Martinez know what the One's initial plan for Ea was, and that it included decay, senescence and fading? It included death for Men, but even so, the early Kings of Númenor demonstrate what 'death' was meant to be, not the scary event that it became thanks to Morgoth's influence. The fact that "things" and beings don't fade in Aman makes me think that _that_ was the original plan, not what we have (and that the Three attempt to preserve). Also, the Three need not have been wrought in absolute secret and kept secret even afterwards - they only needed to be kept secret from Sauron, and in fact for much of the Third Age they were used. It's not by chance that Lothlórien and Rivendell looks the way they do.

[@forfun6273]

The one ring? Or Iru Illuvitar?

[@forfun6273]

@@dlevi67Iru tells Melkor that any thought Melkor has comes from within Iru and is his instrument in making something more beautiful than what Melkor tried to destroy. Like Iru knew the whole song. So I believe he knew what Melkor was going to do and wanted him to do it to improve middle earth.

[@dlevi67]

@@forfun6273 1) It's Eru Ilúvatar, not Iru Illuvitar. 2) If what you say is true (and Tolkien seems to be relatively undecided, lamenting the widespread corruption across all of Ea due to Morgoth's influence), then more so it is true of anything that one of the Children of Ilúvatar creates... so the Three cannot be considered an abomination or blasphemy. (Incidentally, the dilemma between free will and divine omniscience and omnipotence is a well known theological problem that we are not going to resolve in KZbin comments.)

[@forfun6273]

@@dlevi67 you make some very good points.

[@bathtime1989]

omg ive missed you so much over the summer, mowing my lawn without fresh content from you was a tribulation only surpassed by a wasp the size of a bus attacking me during it

[@D3MONFLAR3]

2 uploads in a week?! YEEEESSSSSSS

[@josephwhatmough8239]

Please go back to the complete shortly, the last one you did in the series is the children of Hurin, the first age ones you did are phenomenal and I would’ve like you to continue all the way up through the Current storyline that left you a couple comments. Hopefully, you see them.

[@AlyxGlide]

we certainly ain't gonna get it from Amazon lol

[@coreyander286]

19:00: It seems that in The History of Galadriel and Celeborn, Sauron was able to find the Nine during the sack of Eregion without Celebrimbor being tortured, and only found the Seven after Celebrimbor revealed their locations under torture. Interesting that there'd be a distinction between Nine and Seven prior to their distribution by Sauron. I'm just referencing Tolkien Gateway for this, though. They do cite The History of Galadriel and Celeborn at least.

[@nancyhayes9958]

I enjoy your videos so much. I can just see Annatar telling the elves that knowledge never hurt anyone, and, by the way, wouldn’t they like a bite of this nice, shiny apple. Sauron was at the top of his game in Eregion.

[@j0b01231]

Bless you, Rainbow Dave.

[@thomashensellek6656]

Excellent as always! By now you could even do a Playlist on Ring lore, as your videos are quite extensively covering most aspects now. Thank you!

[@tolkienuntangled]

That's a great idea! Thanks!

[@Baha7579]

I love your knowledge and dedication to the lore. Please please do Season 2 review of Rings of Power, would love to get your thoughts on it.

[@drewburdett7886]

Outstanding.

[@tylerbarrett6652]

From the way the text reads, those initial rings - "essays in the craft" - must still be kicking around somewhere. I wonder if there are any in Michel Delving... or in the Barrow Downs... or troll hoards. I have to wonder if one could be used in the construction of towers like Orthanc, the stone/earthen building that the Ents could hardly damage at all. Perhaps one could be used in sculpting somehow... like the images of Isildur and Anarion near Rarros? Other sculptures? (sorry about my spelling). Maybe on in ship building? I mean... there are just so many crafts that they cannot duplicate. Sure, the magic of middle earth is fading.... and perhaps that contributes to their lack of ability.... but I just wish JRRT wrote more about these things. Like... I'd love to see the epic of the two blue wizards unearthed one day (or written for that universe - they could hold a contest and whoever controls that estate stuff. Maybe one would help you talk to birds or cats or some other animals. I often wondered if Queen Beruthial had one of those lesser rings. It's cool to think about... sad there is no cannonical answer. Thanks for putting this out there.

[@mishiara5499]

Great acting. You really knew all these years he was bleeding inside over his friend not being there to be part of the highlights of his life - to share it with a friend so important is more then a friend it is true chosen family. And proof he still talked so warmly and lovingly about him is proved by how overjoyed his wife was to find Elrond walking into their home, while still hurting to bad still because he still loved him as a true brother.

[@sarahgould5435]

13 comments in the first 17 minutes? You can tell none of us were looking forward to this at all! 😂 I sure do love you for dropping this right at the perfect moment. Although I do have a very minor bone to pick with you. You keep saying "Race" of Elves or "Race" of Men. Given Tolkien's preference for Germanic Anglo-Saxon and his choice of the term "Kin"-Slaying, I suspect the proper term should be "Kindred" rather than "Race." Especially since Race denotes differences within a species. Feel free to ignore this note, though. 😋

[@Enerdhil]

How about the Primates of Elves and Men?😅

[@Enerdhil]

Maybe we should just use the word "species" then. "Kindred" to me feels like there is some relationship between the two species.

[@sarahgould5435]

@@Enerdhil That wouldn't work, though, because because two different species can't procreate with each other, yet there are the family lines of the half Elves. Elves *are* related in that they are all of the same kind, so it would be "Elfkind" just as "Mankind" is already another word for humanity as a group. However, "Mankind" is a compound word. If you separate the root words into a phrase, it becomes "Kindred of Man," "Kindred" or "kind" being the type of grouping and "Man" being who or what is included in the group. Those words may have fallen out of this sort of use, but when you grow up with the KJV, "kind" and "Kindred" both get used a lot in reference to genetic groupings, from anything as narrow as a specific clan to as wide as an entire species.

[@Enerdhil]

@@sarahgould5435 Good point about procreation.

[@Enerdhil]

@@sarahgould5435 I am not sure there is a good solution to this problem, but as you stated, the meaning of the word "kindred," has changed. Maybe Men, the Children of Eru Ilúvatar, or Elves, the Children of Eru Ilúvatar.🤔 That is too wordy.😔

[@bustadownz6121]

thanks dave i needed this after having to watch adverts for season 2 of the rings of power

[@csehszlovakze]

thanks Dave!

[@cristanstefanick4202]

Love your channel. I listen to the passion your have for this lore with glee. While going through this video, and others, I've often wondered if you've explored the realm of video games? Specifically middle earth: shadow of mordor and shadow of war. They both deal this celebrimbor and a warrior or condor. While there are lore inconsistencies, i think you'd enjoy the stories created the games. Cheers and thank you for your efforts

[@keithfranklin5939]

Best Tolkien insight out there.

[@tolkienuntangled]

Thanks!

[@thomashensellek6656]

Danke!

[@Jedi.Bricks]

who is watching this instead of rings of power season 2?

[@vickielittleton6373]

I'm watching this, then 2 more hours until Episode 6 of Rings of Power drops! Literally getting NOTHING done tonight

[@nancyhayes9958]

@@vickielittleton6373 I’m watching this while I wait for the finale of ROP tomorrow. I hope they don’t take 2 years between seasons 2 and 3. @Jedi.Bricks. I like ROP a lot better in Season 2.