The Overprinting Continues! Lorcana, MTG and now One Piece...

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[@dfilm]

always appreciate hearing about the industry from your view

[@audrisampson]

Ravensburger said from even before Lorcana came out said they were going to print it into ground.

[@Chris3s]

where did they say that? just curious

[@PropiaPersona]

​@@Chris3severything getting printed to the ground

[@Chris3s]

@@PropiaPersona is that a reply to my question?

[@balance1619]

@@Chris3sthey came out with a post saying they will reprint according to demand and that they will for sure reprint first chapter which they did. They didn’t say whether or not they will keep reprinting forever though. It’s gonna fail long term though. Nobody is playing the game and the collectible side isn’t very strong so far. It’s been carried hard by pull rates being utterly ridiculous. I’ve heard stories online of people opening 2 cases and still not pulling an enchanted. You want the collectible side to be carried by demand mostly and low print runs which we don’t know what the print runs are gonna be like but so far they have been high and they haven’t come out and said anything about reducing it…I don’t believe in the gameplay of the game, the companies aren’t proven and Disney specifically milks everything to oblivion and the collectible side doesn’t look good. The demand has fallen off drastically as well, you can walk into 10 different Walmarts and I promise you lorcana is mostly what you will find. I would stay away from anything that isn’t mtg, sports cards or pokemon tbh.

[@audrisampson]

@@Chris3s it was in their announcements before the game was released.

[@Rush-qc1wj]

You still can’t find One Piece in retail stores like Target and Walmart. Now you can find One Piece at Card stores, but their packs are super expensive. OP07 is like $6 a pack, OP02 is $9 and OP01 is $10.99 at one of my local stores. Structure decks are $25. I don’t mind paying $5 a pack and $15 for a structure deck, but there is no way I can support these insane prices that stores are selling for. I am glad One Piece is FINALLY becoming accessible for everyone. I love how singles are super affordable now, OP07 was the first set that I bought all singles and didn’t open packs. Also, Kids that what to play can’t find cards and that sucks. I introduced them to TCG player and they love it.

[@theunfortunatecollector115]

But Rudy said they cut print runs, he wouldn't be misleading us right? Ha ha ha

[@mrwhite2039]

Isn't this product from 2021 as he said. Why would that have any baring on current print runs?

[@Chris3s]

I don't think Lorcana is printing into speculative demand, but rather just printing so everyone can access it for cheap. Secondary market prices are just not the priority. Also not every TCG has to be a collectible

[@chriscsongor2571]

The point is, it’s too cheap. It’s so cheap that stores do not have the margins to sell it and make a profit. That is not sustainable, they don’t need to cut print runs drastically, they just need to tune the print runs a little bit to try to get boxes back to MSRP.

[@Brandonhart100]

@@chriscsongor2571 ya but to be fair, it is exactly like Pokemon does it

[@jaysabz7355]

My local Target has tons of Lorcana Into the Inklands and Ursula's Revenge. I'd estimate over 200 boosters - so much that they moved a bunch from the card area (there's still a ton in the card area) and now there's a bunch in the toy area too. Much less Magic, hardly any One Piece. Usual amount of Pokémon (about half the display area).

[@Brandonhart100]

@@jaysabz7355 my target is completely overrun by Pokemon and to less of an extent magic spilling into the isles. They can't even get rid of it in both sections. In the toy section it's now taking up half of two different rows. One piece is starting to print much more as well.

[@GoneRogueGames]

@@Brandonhart100 not really. Pokemon is suffering from global arbitrage. They actually have been tinkering with print runs and store allocations but they have massive issues with gauging demand with big box stores and overseas markets which eventually come back to compete in the LGS sphere.

[@ForgottenHeathen]

No kidding, let the brick and mortars have some kind of advantage! They drive so much of the games!

[@jasonyu-gi-oh1056]

Thanks for giving your insights

[@Spamthulhu]

Also FFG has just messed up the print runs because they expected less players. They wanted to print a lot more. They said they wanted to print a lot more.

[@thehubtcg]

Love the rants of the inner thoughts of a game store owner. I own a small shop in California. We just hit a year and you really gotta be resilient and be comfortable being uncomfortable. Hope for continued success to your store mate!

[@GoneRogueGames]

Cheers! Good luck to you.

[@CrosswaIk]

I understand your point and this is kind of what card shops don't work as they are. The take that a company shouldn't be producing a boardgame is nuts but again, I understand why you have to say it as a store owner. Lorcana is teeny tiny right now, the tcg hobby in general in pretty tiny. These companies need to get as much product into hands as humanly possible and they don't have the luxury to consider "what about the lgs owners". For every owner like you, who will provide a nice clean space to play and try and cultivate a community, there are 10 other shops (I've played in dozens and dozens of them) that will just blow out any and every product they can get their hands on just to keep their MTG hobby story open.

[@EatMyPattys]

People are so dang slow when playing commander. It takes ages for your turn again

[@edwarddaignault5243]

I've been playing mostly 5 player games lately, one was even 6....and yeah it's friggin brutal lol 😆

[@GoneRogueGames]

Yeah, I can't do it. Casual commander players also seem to not care about getting better. The F6ing when it isn't their turn, playing instances as sorcery, not threat assessment and just doing things because they can... Then you have the competitive commander players and the power level is just at absurd levels. I keep hearing these rumors about "finding a play group" that matches your style. However I am certain this is a unicorn. I have tried playing commander with friends, at conventions, with fans, with precons... I have never found that unicorn.

[@jonamar3965]

The commander dig... So true.

[@whatishappening8851]

let the beard grow bro - get rid of the chinstrap - great info- love the vids

[@edwarddaignault5243]

Probably comes in too patchy and/or sparse.

[@jsturm5hk8h]

Word! Every player is a collector. How many entrepeneurs become sellers that become collectors that become players?🤚

[@starscream003]

I am about to get a lot of flack for this but, first and foremost, collectable does not mean profitable. All of the temu Rudy's of the world need to understand that these are card games not investments. If players cannot buy product and have to resort to the secondary market to buy anything at inflated prices, that is a bigger sign a game will die vs over printing. I have lost track of how many games I stopped playing because of a lack of product and having to pay secondary market prices just to keep up, its not worth it anymore. The most comical moment said in this video was when he said if you want to play, play and have fun, or something along those lines. If no one can buy product, no one can have fun playing any games. This is the cold hard truth, I get you run a business, but if having inventory is a problem maybe just maybe, it is your store not supporting the game. Back 15 or 20 years ago, the number of people who played ccg/tcg were small, it was still looked at like a nerd thing to do, now it is different, the number of people who play games has increased and as so the amount of product needed has gone up. Long gone are the days of 8 players playing FNM, now it is like 18. Plus we are in the second holden age of card games, like we were back in the late 90's, where everything had a ccg, the top 3, magic pokemon Yu-Gi-Oh are no longer the top 3, but in contention with starwars one piece sorcery and a number of other games, and availability of product means being able to compete for gamers money.

[@GoneRogueGames]

nobody likes paying $100 for something to turn around and have it be $50 a couple of months later... it is as simple as that. It slows down future sales if people think they can just get it for cheaper in a few months. Also, there are very few instances that the secondary market has even approached near MSRP prices, so this argument is pretty moot. What we have experienced in the last 5 years is the opposite, the majority of products going under DISTRIBUTION cost and consumers getting used to this and thinking prices that reach healthy margins are "inflated".

[@Xoulrath_]

​@@GoneRogueGamesdude, I couldn't care less about your store or your profit. I do care about buying cards at a reasonable price. What you, and Rudy, and all of the other greedmongers continue to not realize, or just ignore, is that Hasbro/WotC, Konami, TPC, Ravensburger, Bandai, and LSS do NOT care about your profits. They don't care about your store. They don't need you. The overwhelming market data that Wizards constantly reminds us of is that the majority of players are casual and buy from big box or online. They don't even know that card stores exist. Funny how I've got an LGS that I go to for Lorcana tournaments that makes a profit and sells the packs at $5 a pop. Maybe your expectations are to get rich off of cardboard? Bad idea.

[@GoneRogueGames]

@@Xoulrath_ lol "greedmongers" , curious what you do for a living and if you expect margins on that industry...

[@Xoulrath_]

@@GoneRogueGames dude, don't try to deflect. The corporations that make these card games no longer NEED you. Sure, they throw out some tournaments to keep the competitive players like me happy. But by and large, they make their money off of the backs of sales. They don't care whether or not you get your "margins." The fact that you didn't realize this before going into business is a problem. You do realize that theaters stay in business not by selling tickets, but by selling concessions, right? I'd honestly thought that it was common knowledge at this point, but maybe it isn't. As I said, the current LGSs that I go to are able to stay in business just fine while selling at reasonable prices. They make up that money in other areas. One of the stores sells used video games, comics, collectible figures, Warhammer, and D&D and other RPGs. They also sell snacks at an obvious markup, but it isn't absurd. They charge for tournament entry fees. The other store is exclusively a card shop, yet they manage to survive just fine selling OP and Lorcana at $5 a pack for the latest sets. The run several weekly tourneys, sell drinks and snacks, and actually have a massive selection of singles; they've got the expensive stuff behind glass and online, with bulk boxes galore. They've made well over a couple hundred dollars off of me alone thanks to those bulk boxes. It's amazing how fast a quarter a card adds up. I'm not against you making a reasonable profit. But I'm beyond sick and tired of the greed in this industry thanks to the "investors/speculators/collectors" and all of the Rudy type mentality people around. You don't get to sell a box of cards that should cost $120 for $200 just because it makes you more money faster. Like I said, if you were trying to get rich quick, then you picked the wrong market.

[@Bobthebuilder42069]

MKM has those lands man. I still need 1-2 for my modern decks collection.

[@jayn9446]

Dont invest in collectibles is a crazy take for someone who sells collectibles 😂

[@GoneRogueGames]

definitely crazy

[@rand0mGT]

Printing to the ground is HEALTHY for everyone

[@GoneRogueGames]

stop lying, you won't buy product when it happens. Reminds me of the TCC crowd. They cried about speculators and it being too expensive, then same people cried when their collection was devalued from all the printing and secret lairs. Play an LCG instead. Nobody is stopping you.

[@rand0mGT]

@@GoneRogueGames I’m not the enemy here. It’s tiktok and tcgplayer that are driving little lgs like yours out of business. More reprints just means more products for you to sell at a loss 🤣🤣

[@MerpDerp-hz9tt]

Amonkhet bundles are now $97 on TCG Player 😑

[@GoneRogueGames]

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[@jsturm5hk8h]

I do not feel that Ravensburger is printing to demand. I appears that this is a 9 years project that has been set in Stone. They are not just thinking of today, which has low demand due to customer awareness, but also in the future when the demand will be higher as the game in played more. My evidence is that if you look at TCGplayer the numbers across all sets are relatively the same, even between rarity, with the earliest set having a slight draw down. When we are at Chapter 18, the print run for Rise of the Floodborn will have seemed small.

[@Brandonhart100]

I understand what you're saying about healthy margins, but any LGS would salivate if they had Lorcana at $125 $130 and that was consistent. You don't "typically" get that with Pokemon, either. I keep hearing that there's so much Lorcana out there. And yes, you can find it at your local big box. But I've also never seen so much Pokemon and MTG, either. Don't get me wrong I'm all for tighter print runs. We'd all love that. But these companies tend to want to overprint, let the market slowly soak it up, and let the LGS suffer. Ravensburger is just following the pattern.

[@christopherk7920]

I completely stopped buying OP singles since Apr'24 here in Malaysia as the mkt saturation is pretty bad at the moment. Too many cards on sale and I can see that demand is slowing down...

[@ChrisBcards]

What are your thoughts about Sorcery?

[@GoneRogueGames]

Huge demand for it, I think people are desperate for an MTG alternative that feels like old school magic.

[@ChrisBcards]

@@GoneRogueGames and how about the limited print runs to cater for collectors and players so they don't fall into the same greed trap of "print to demand" and reputation as the mentioned company's you spoke of? Do you think they to will be corrupt or will hold true as a balanced playable and collectable TCG?

[@LXZTUBE]

Stop ordering to much, order what you can sell at keystone and knock it off -.-

[@thiccboicory9964]

This is why i only proxys cards there reprints and money machine goes hard

[@jsturm5hk8h]

IMO Brick and Mortar should stop selling. Meaning that, LGS are in the best position to HOLD and INVEST in the future of Lorcana, namely, but also other TCGs. How many sellers are going to kick themselves in the butt when they realize in the future that they are selling $40+ cards for 10c ?

[@parsandstripes9445]

Amonkhet bundles at $100 now

[@le_med]

Link to other channel please?

[@michaelc6817]

Kevin, you can be assured that SWU will eventually be reprinted in large quantities, unfortunately. Like all these new games, take the early money and run!

[@GoneRogueGames]

So far they are being reasonable, which is nuts for FFG. The way they have been trickling in supply ONLY to LGS shows prudence. But yeah, you are probably right, they won't be able to resist.

[@jatzjosef]

@@GoneRogueGamesthey said they will reprint

[@Krizpy]

While small, Sorcery seems to be doing things right. The dust system was a brilliant system to know out of the boxes they print, how many are being opened and how many people are sitting on, allowing them to adjust their print run with much more accuracy.

[@GoneRogueGames]

I have crazy demand for it right now, they must be doing something right.

[@LXZTUBE]

@@GoneRogueGames speculative kickstarter junk, will die as soon as people can get it lol

[@haruzero]

You should get into Grand Archive TCG

[@ScottysTCGShop]

commander is a silly format

[@mattstrott753]

Indeed it is 😂 I think I bought some Sorcery foils off you. Appreciate the sale. Love that game!

[@ScottysTCGShop]

@@mattstrott753 Haha, what an interesting coincidence.

[@MossyRiverRock]

What’s happening with One Piece and Unlimited if you don’t have enough product to go around people will not wait around for you catch up. Your SW Unlimited is way out of touch. Also you’re insane for how collector focused “all humans” are. People want to “play the game” no one collects fucking Uno decks. Do as many special treatments foils whatever, if you’re SW and the general public can’t get your product they will move on.

[@franky5969]

This is alotta whining lol

[@GoneRogueGames]

a lot a lot

[@mebinici]

Who hates capitalism? Poor people that like Bidenomics?!? 😂

[@mrwhite2039]

Commies

[@travis88cards]

Lorcana is an absolute dumpster fire. Ran by an absolute clown company.

[@Chris3s]

not every game is about selling cards but about playing the game

[@balance1619]

@@Chris3syou need both to become the next pokemon. Just look at magic, high print runs turned collectors off for years and it’s hurt them so much they have been doing everything to get collectors buying again and lowered the print run. You think thousand dollar serialized cards were for the people who only wanna play the game..? Lorcana doesn’t have the best gameplay they really need the game to be collectible and so far they haven’t said anything about lowering the print run and people are speculating that it’s high right now cause I mean just look around the stuff is literally everywhere.

[@Chris3s]

@@balance1619 if people don't enjoy the game then just discontinue it. No need to cater to "investors"

[@balance1619]

@@Chris3s you are severely underestimating how valuable collectors are to the card market…casuals who only play literally want the game to be borderline free and a collector will pay millions of dollars for one singular card. I am talking about collectors not investors. Investors don’t really exist that was a pandemic thing but I mean value is incredibly important if your product isn’t worth anything why would anybody give you money for it…? Why would you even make it..? You give it value by giving it scarcity when it’s in high demand…that leads to a successful TCG.

[@Chris3s]

@@balance1619 you forget that value for people that actually play it comes from the gameplay and playing the game. Otherwise board games and LCGs would also not exist. In the past I had also this mindset of most TCG players and collectors, but when you think about it a bit more you will realize that it is not about the collectors (or rather investors).

[@Spamthulhu]

You may be nervous but the looking away from the camera so much is off putting. Hard to focus on what you are saying. Appreciate your time and viewpoint.