The Packers Had a Moron at Kicker

[@BrewCitySports]

You should do a deep dive on the final week of this season. The Packers beat the Phoenix Cardinals in what seemed like a meaningless game, but if you really take a close look at it, it might have been the most meaningful meaningless game in NFL history. The domino effect of the Packers winding up with the top pick and drafting Aikman, therefore taking him away from Dallas and the Cowboys either picking Tony Mandrich or Barry Sanders. What would that have meant to the Cowboys dynasty of early 90s? Probably never happens. And what happens to Brett Favre if the Packers have Aikman and therefore don’t need to trade for him. The entire history of the NFL is different because the Packers didn’t tank in that final week.

[@ShiloStigen]

100% agree! One of the most fascinating NFL butterfly effects ever.

[@davidlafleche1142]

And what happens to the Lions without Sanders?

[@SpiralIntoAVoid]

@@davidlafleche1142Sanders probably rises as usual thanks to his talents but on another team or doesn’t pan out I assume

[@LFDWI]

And if the Pack takes Sanders, Tom Bratz isn't fired & Ron Wolf doesn't come to GB. The mind boggling part of the Mandarich pick was Bratz latter admitted to knowing he was a steroids case but thought the fans would cancel their season tickets if they did'nt draft him. In hindsight, it all worked out beautifully & the Pack was definitely back (4 years later).

[@c.l.freeman7654]

Goddamn Tony Mandrich...nightmare

[@82dorrin]

Fitting that he wore Brett Favre's number, since Dawson was what you'd get if old Favre was a kicker

[@thegoose858]

I'm old enough to remember the '69 Packers, whose kicking game that season was, if anything, even worse. They also used four different kickers that year, and if memory serves, together they hit less than 30% of their FG tries. And the team still finished 8-6 that year.

[@Jason_Maier]

1. Hard to believe that the Packers would later have stability with the kicker role: Chris Jacke (89-96); Ryan Longwell (97-05) and Mason Crosby (07-22). 2. The Redskins in 86 had Four guys kicking: Mark Moseley (released after week 9), Max Zendejas (released after week 15) and Jess Atkinson (week 16 and the postseason). Punter Steve Cox even did some long field goals. 3. Max also had a game against the Vikings in 1986 where he missed 3 xp kicks and a field goal. The Redskins won in overtime.

[@ShahPhilLeotardo]

Dale isn’t the only Packer who’s worn the number 4 jersey and acted like a moron.

[@Darkkfated]

Oh man, these Packers were literally my childhood. My Dad and I had ALL the jokes. "Why were there no tornadoes this year in Wisconsin? Because the Packers can't score a touchdown!" Woodside and Fullwood, name me a worse "running back" duo. I'll wait. Phillip "backwards" Epps, the infamous kick returner who would run from sideline to sideline to sideline to sideline, traveling 200 yards laterally but ending up behind the point he fielded the kick. I'd totally forgotten that we (somehow) had a worse kicker than Max "wide and to the left" Zendejas. And the NFC Central! Oh man. The 5-team Division that the Packers (inexplicably) shared with *THE TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS* . Nothing says "central USA" like FLORIDA, amirite? Ahh, I'm feeling all nostalgic now, despite how terrible the on-the-field product was back in those days. Takes me back to being seven again and watching those 80's Packer games with my dad, mocking the Packers the entire time because you had to laugh at them to keep from crying. ;)

[@Jason_Quinn]

You remember the rumors that Green Bay was going to merge teams with the Bucs, right? They would be called the Tampax.

[@c.l.freeman7654]

Remember when Terrell Buckley, all 5 foot 6 of him, was supposed to be the savior?

[@chriskay1449]

Ironically, this season the Packers are on their 4th kicker. They had Anders Carlson and Greg Joesph in the preseason who were so bad both got cut. Then they acquired Brayden Narveson who wasn't any better. They finally landed Jaguars cast off Brandon McManus who has locked the position down.

[@stevearchtoe7039]

After that fg miss, max zendejas attempted suicide by knife, but he missed wide and to the left.

[@toddbiesel4288]

So Dale Dawson went 4-for-11 on field goals in 1988? Too bad, with one more miss, his field goal miss ratio would have been known as a Meat Loaf.

[@Darkkfated]

Look, it doesn't do any good to be sad about it.

[@kevinsealschott1090]

No he'd have to be 8-12

[@toddbiesel4288]

@@kevinsealschott1090 It would have been 8 of 12 missed with one more miss.

[@zbsx]

​@toddbiesel4288 yeah, and the lyrics are "2 out of 3 AIN'T bad," aka good. 8-for-12, not 4.

[@BrianONEILL-qf2cs]

This tangent was like spiking the ball on 2 out of every 3 plays.

[@QuartzGolem]

You can see it in his steps back. Sort of a lanky swagger into position rather than the measured steps that every kicker usually does. Lacksadasical is definitely the right word for it, dude was just a bit too honest about it afterwards.

[@orbyfan]

Dawson being lackadaisical led to the Packers and the NFL lacking a Dale.

[@daveerhardt1879]

That's about a stupid thing I ever heard a player say, It didn't matter, we still lost the game. No wonder he lost his job and never kicked again in the NFL. 4 for 11 in field goals in two years, ouch!

[@chrisuncleahmad789]

Somehow that GB team swept 11-5 Minnesota

[@marcus813]

That cost the Vikings the now-defunct NFC Central title. If they won either of their games vs. the Packers, they would've been division champs.

[@ShiloStigen]

I remember that! It was a point of pride for 9-year old me. I'm glad we didn't get Troy Aikman though. I'm NOT glad that we didn't draft Barry Sanders though!

[@celticprideisstillalive8766]

Also kept them from getting home field advantage.

[@thomasgoshaw6406]

The Manderich pick was the final straw for the Tom Bratz Era and the Packers hired Ron Wolf.

[@marcus813]

Dawson's lackadaisical nature cost him his career. I'm not sure why he said what he said to the media after this game. He made himself radioactive. No wonder the Packers fired him! When the fans start chanting for the Packers to bring Max Zendejas back, that's when you know.

[@CTubeMan]

This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about the lackadaisical attitude shown by Lions Quarterback Scott Mitchell in 1996.

[@2funnyrockrs]

Love the videos man!!

[@OfficialJaguarGator9]

Thanks!

[@mangrove]

Wayne Fontes's first game as Lions HC.

[@CTubeMan]

As soon as I saw the title card I knew it had to be about either Dale Dorsey or Dean Dawson.

[@toppingclover7561]

The great thing about this game was that you could not watch it on local TV in Milwaukee. No sell out meant blackout restrictions and this game did not sell out.

[@carlsaganlives6086]

36 years from now, this Bears' season will dominate this genre of filmmaking. Hell, it already does.

[@gordonfan200]

I’m sitting here at the 7:00 mark of this video and I can’t get over how the corners of the endzone on each side of the field literally have the wall of the stands up against them. Holy safety hazard 😅

[@psymar]

The real reason he was out of the league is the spread was Packers +7.5. (Source: I made it the fuck up)

[@Hutch76k]

Both Dale Dawson and Dean Dorsey played for both Philadelphia and Green Bay in 1988. Both sucked in Philadelphia so why the hell did the Packers think they would somehow be competent kickers in Green Bay?

[@RealisticFisHed]

Not his finest moment for sure, but apparently he became an inventor after his NFL career was over and has several patents for golf training equipment so it seems like he was a pretty smart guy as a whole

[@geoffreyrue8026]

Best player to wear #4 in Packers history 😂😂😂

[@dangeiger9796]

Those were the good old days when the Packers were terrible

[@luisreyes1963]

Sure do miss them. 🤭

[@MrFrankfurt13]

Poor old Dale passed away aged 53 in 2018. RIP.

[@bryanglass5818]

Reading his obituary, it sounds as if he had a good career inventing items that helped disabled people play sports. He held many patents in this area.

[@seanm3226]

Dale was a friend and neighbor. He sadly took his own life in 2018.

[@c.l.freeman7654]

Oh I remember. I was 11. Been Packers fan since birth, though

[@jeremydobbs5578]

You can tell this is about a scrub. When have the Packers ever had a decent player wearing the number 4?

[@stephenholloway6893]

Wait til a few years later then another number 4 actually did play better albeit as QB.

[@jetjack74]

Actually, there was reserve QB that wore #4 for the Packers in 1990. Mike Norseth, who was picked up by Green Bay that year from the Bengals after Majkowski went down with a shoulder injury, Anthony Dilweg got a concussion, and were down to Blair Kiel

[@chriskay1449]

There was another reserve QB who wore #4 years previous to that and that was Chuck Fusina.

[@mr_irrelevant]

If he was so bad why is #4 retired by the Packers? hmmmmmmm

[@stephenholloway6893]

Because someone else also wore the number and turned it into a hall of fame career afterwards. Here's a hint he was the quarterback at Green Bay from 1992-2007.

[@mr_irrelevant]

@@stephenholloway6893 You're wrong, I have it on good authority that this specific player wore #4 and now it's retired, thus signifying it was him

[@stephenholloway6893]

@@mr_irrelevant So why did Farve wear it afterwards if you're that smart?

[@mr_irrelevant]

@@stephenholloway6893 You seem to be presuming a lot about me here; if you can’t comprehend that this kicker who missed most of his kicks wore a number and it was later retired by his team, then I think the problem is with you.

[@stephenholloway6893]

@@mr_irrelevant All I'm saying is that the number was retired because of Farve rather then the kicker that wore it before him.

[@rngfootball759]

I hope the Packers at the time were scouting that generational talent at RB from Oklahoma St over the Offensive tackle out of Michigan State.

[@mjwatts1983]

Can’t go wrong with the linebacker from Alabama. Though have you seen that corner from Florida State. He can cover, return kicks, *AND* play receiver. Only downside is his tackling ability I’m hearing things about this safety from Arkansas. He hits like a linebacker and great cover skills If Green Bay was to go o-line, there is a center from Pitt worth looking at. He’s projected 3rd rounder but they need serious help on that side of the ball

[@ryanjacobson2508]

Mandarich and Lyle Alzado are part of the very small number of pro athletes who admitted that they would have never made it to the big leagues w/o steroids.

[@thegoose858]

There seems to be some collective amnesia among Packer fans over the Mandarich pick, but before the '89 draft the general consensus was that he and Aikman were head and shoulders above the rest of the draft class- including Derrick Thomas and the two Sanders's. Lindy's Pro Football Guide later described GB getting Mandarich after DAL drafted Aikman ahead of them as "the all-time consolation prize." Apparently no one seriously suspected he was juiced up.

[@LiveFromThePorcelainPalace]

Just letting you know you have just under 5 months left till April Fools Day.... START WORKING ON YOUR IMITATION OF JOHN FACENDA'S VOICE!!! You gotta do at least ONE video in his style and April Fools Day is a perfect time for it!!! :D

[@jeraldbottcher1588]

Yeah you do not tell them that you are giving anything less than full effort. Your teammates are giving full effort. there are fans in the stands. If for no other reason than self respect. He needed to go. Every job I ever had I put in full effort.

[@Nillon24]

Don't do what Dale Dawson does!

[@ShiloStigen]

1:54 You said Randy Wright again!

[@tylermathis-kx7pu]

1:02 so bad, in fact, they got picked off by a white cb…

[@ryanjacobson2508]

Scott Case led the NFC in interceptions for a particular season back in like the mid-80's. And was a starting DB for the Falcons thru the early 90's.

[@tylermathis-kx7pu]

@ Scott. I couldn’t remember his name. All I know is he got demoted to safety when Deon was drafted which is totally understandable..

[@joshuarayborn]

88 is the worst

[@JohnSmith-zw8vp]

So he wasn't like (First Team?) All American kick returner (was that even a for real full time position back then in the early 60s?) Forrest Gump who Deputy Enos eh I mean Bear Bryant shouted "He must be the stupidest son of a bitch alive!! But she sure is fast!"?

[@JohnSmith-zw8vp]

3:00 -- There WAS in fact an 80s football player named Charlie Brown (not a kicker though)!! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Brown_(wide_receiver,_born_1958)

[@OfficialJaguarGator9]

Really good player on Washington, too. Heck of a deep threat

[@JohnSmith-zw8vp]

@@OfficialJaguarGator9 I know, I'm sure he got teased and picked on constantly as a child and HS player with people saying "Aughh!!" the way CB does when he flies into the air after missing the pulled away ball. But I think that huge shiny Super Bowl ring ensured he ended up getting the last laugh!!

[@johnliberty3647]

Downtown Charlie Brown, for 2 seasons he was arguably the best deep threat in the NFL. He outshined Art Monk for 2 seasons.