The Paintballs That Should Have Revolutionized the Sport

[@mechredd]

Anyone remember v-balls? They were .68 cal velcro balls for use in indoor fields that had issues cleaning paint. At the end of the day the staff could vacuum up the v-balls and reuse them.

[@bandaidvr]

Were v-balls actually meant to shoot at each other? I remember having a handful of them

[@MinistryOfMagic_DoM]

Yes! We used to use these for indoor practice to save money back when I played at the D1 level. It was so much fun because it worked without modifying the marker at all.

[@Ollen1982]

I remember reball where they did rubber 😂

[@ProductBasement]

I tried using those pompoms things preschoolers use for crafts. They worked surprisingly well, although I never got to use them in an actual game

[@recklezzeater8a862]

@@Ollen1982 i still have them and still use them

[@MichaelStroup]

I know that how the C3 used the propane was different from Airsoft, but it is slightly ironic that that in airsoft Propane is widely used (under the name green gas) but it isnt at all in paintball. Also you can get those 1lb propane tanks everywhere for a few buck. Walmart, tractor supply, Lowes, Home depot, etc. Tons of things use them. You can also refilll them off the big 50lb tanks pretty cheap.

[@cggentry]

C3 ignites, which moves classification into firearm territory. Airsoft doesn't ignite, but I'm pretty sure they like to ride that (wink wink, it totally can't be done, wink wink) line. Sorry for the necroply.

[@morgangrisby8107]

Also butane nail guns use a similar system. I have one and they work as well as any air nailer

[@carlostellez4502]

@@cggentry So basically all paintball players would have the ATF all over us all the time.

[@paintballtechpb]

Loved seeing the 50 cal pinokio hopper!!! Thanks for featuring me in your video! I got a secret for you, if you look carefully at the Pinokio hopper we used, we used an insert from another 50 cal loader, inside the clear pinokio to make the 50 cal balls line up and feed properly. We cut it with a hacksaw and slid it inside the loader! You can use ANY clips from ANY of my videos whenever you want! - TechPB-Mike

[@danmyrivd6220]

Used to watch your videos when I competed… good memories man, good to see you still around

[@andrewbarker4719]

I'd forgotten your channel exsisted, used to watch you when I was on a local team nearly 10 years ago. Just unlocked forgotten memories.

[@SkateboardSetups]

You are a legend in my mind Mike!

[@rhino720f]

You're such a a legend, happy to see your name pop up thanks for all of the videos over the years and all you've done, ran into you at a lightning game with my buddy years ago and you were the nicest guy ever 🤜🤛

[@ILikeCheeseOnBees]

I used to watch your videos 24/7 when I was like 14!! I'm 28 now! Still playing!

[@subspacedorito3691]

I remember when the c3 came out. A guy I used to play with bought one and after a day of rec ball we busted out the grill and used the c3's propane tank to grill hot dogs lol.

[@SaKOTR]

Was about to say....play a few games, swap tank to camp grill for lunch, swap back to marker and finish the day lol. That's a win in my books 😆

[@zerumsum1640]

Played with one as a rental and i actually kinda liked it. the system would be nice for a "sniper" build with a smaller built in tank. just have to charge up the gun with an adapter every now and again and use the bolt instead of a pump. just use something like the first strike paintballs and a mag instead of a hopper. More specialized, yes, but ideally as a sniper you're not just spamming fire.

[@Zippsterman]

I love the concept, like a potato cannon applied for even more fun

[@ZybakTV]

The price of paintballs is the number one thing holding paintball back. Imagine how popular paintball would be if you could get a case for like $20. Airsoft is way lamer but it's basically free to play once you have a gun because you can buy airsoft bbs so cheap.

[@TheFeed816]

I think that's a reason why we see people get way into it and then disappear. The prospect of spending 100 dollars every sunday turns them off eventually

[@psilo5623]

lamer how... guns are more realistic, bullets travel faster, and people actually call their hits instead of claiming the paintball didn't explode. Paintballs could be free and i'd still play airsoft

[@reel11boutdoors55]

@@psilo5623 id say that too if getting hit by a paintball scared me

[@psilo5623]

@@reel11boutdoors55 When someone has no argument they resort to personal attacks, that's well known. I played paintball too btw.

[@ForeParfection]

Yeah it’s a bummer how expensive playing airball is. I love it though. Still play even though I had to give up extra golf for it.

[@arvo_septus]

I really liked the look of that Angel eye mask. I love sci-fi looking stuff. I wish more companies would at least try making different styles so every mask doesn't look exactly the same.

[@TrojanManSCP]

Best "paintball graveyard" product was the Crossfire RAMROD barrel. During the peak barrel nonsense times of the late 90s, this barrel promised to "shoot clean" by simply... not having much barrel there. It was 4" of real barrel, followed by 8-10" of thin rods held in place by two rings. If you're having trouble visualizing that, think "skeleton barrel." The idea was that the real barrel would accelerate the paint, and the rods would "guide" it for long enough to stabilize it. Or something. It simply didn't work. It was not manufactured well enough to really be accurate, and while the skeleton design did let broken paint out... it also let grass, etc in, and the poor construction broke way more paint than it was worth. Terrible product, but endlessly hilarious as everyone yelled "RAMROD" over and over.

[@wildbill3332]

Vote #2 for the ramrod! And in related news the flatline barrel and the flatline barrel attachment thing that you put on the end of a barrel with the adjustable flap that put spin on the ball.... looked like a silencer on the end of your barrel

[@Jack-leg80]

​@@wildbill3332you mean the Apex barrel. I have used both and it takes time to learn how to use them best

[@wildbill3332]

@Jackleg80 yup that's the one!

[@scottwatrous]

RAMROD!

[@MutantMycology]

In the early 90s I worked for a company called R P Scheere in St. Petersburg Florida. The company’s main focus was gel cap medicine pills and vitamins. A little drive from the main plant was another building where we made paintballs. Marbleizer were the hot item back then. My job was to inspect test and package the paintballs. My uncle was the paintball plant manager. This was all before action sports bought the paintball division. When action sports came in they moved production and my uncle overseas. But the short time I worked there it was interesting learning how they were made. And it was cool to know that my uncle was really the person that made your sport possible. He wasn’t just a plant manager. He helped engineer the composition of the gel paint balls and the new hydro balls. He also developed technology for law enforcement with uv maker balls and balls with mace in them for crowd control. I didn’t think at the time that this sport would last as long as it has. But cool to see people still do.

[@iturnintoatelescope4338]

Those were great paintballs!

[@jbake5022]

RPS was awesome paint back in the day, and the Marbalizer brand is still alive and well.

[@Spaceman-si9cs]

Whoaaa haven’t heard about marbelizers is years but definitely spent thousands on their paint back in the day!!

[@Spaceman-si9cs]

Haven’t played since 2013 but just checked paint prices online WTF sooo much cheaper!! We were paying $60 a case for the good shit. $40 got you a case of okish paint. Case would last a weekend.

[@MobWithGuns]

RPS marbellizer was the shit back in the day. I even remember All star and atomic all star that had iodine for tourney play. Early 2000 world cups off poinciana blvd were the peak days

[@PbWoookie]

I still got my Tippmann C3... Thing was a cannon and not very practical... But it looks great on the wall!

[@electricbullshark765]

The humidity in florida alone is a good reason for the hydrotech balls. Its murder on paint shell integrity!

[@JamesSoares-u9b]

gay

[@patricklarocca1674]

I had the pleasure of playing with some HydroTec.. It all went downhill when Paul went out and got a new business partner. At that point, production was rushed, and HydroTec flopped.

[@RandyBarlow-fn8lo]

People in my area seriously thought the C3 was going to be the future and only option for paintball. My local field didn't have an air compressor and shipped in industrial Nitrogen and Co2 tanks. Suddenly they couldn't get Nitrogen because "Hospitals needed it more and there's a shortage because of all the street racing" lol, and then suddenly Co2 started getting hard to get. Before you could literally go to Canadian Tire and get Co2 and it was now gone. People were panicking and I started to see a few C3's on the field.

[@jhewitt1022]

Nitrogen has nothing to do with street racing, that would be Nitrous Oxide, which produces oxygen and nitrogen when used/decomposed/combusted… to produce more N2O they use ammonium nitrate and some other compounds to produce the gas… They can’t reasonably use straight nitrogen to make N2O… either way most of our air systems are just compressed air with majority of moisture removed, not pure nitrogen air…

[@abcdef20]

​@@jhewitt1022yes, buying pure N2 would be more expensive than just tanks of dry air.

[@ertted1295]

i was stationed in germany from 97-00 and helped run the Griesheim paintball field for the rod and gun club. we used to have the Ugly ducklings practice there all the time. from what i remember the tourneys needed to drop there FPS in germany. the law was 210 fps and then they wanted 180 fps for any marker. we got around that as our field was on US military property and did not have to do that but we did keep it to 210. when there was talk of going to the 50 cal and drop the fps all the teams came together and told them to kick rocks if they did put that rule in the teams would have disbanded and all the sponsors would pull out of germany too. this is why you dont hear about it german laws can squash press about it and at that time it would have been bad press. but if i remember right they wanted to test it in the Frankfurt event in 99.

[@MitchelWhite]

That JT impulse comment hurty soul. It was the smart parts 09 impulse that had a 50 cal version. The 09 impulse is the one that was shown.

[@SewMischief]

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills, because nobody remembers the yellow JT seamless paintballs.

[@virtual_balboa]

All I know is we definitely need better paintballs...round, heavy fill, no seams, consistently sized, and larger like .690... Like how they used to be made

[@livin4real]

We had larger paint at World Cup (.688 - .691) but not everyone has larger bore sizes in their gear.

[@boostedskittlez4682]

True!​@@livin4real

[@virtual_balboa]

​@@livin4real what paint was that? Glad I have larger inserts/barrels

[@radattk3145]

Bigball. bring it back.

[@cynikaleyes]

Proball had some thick paint

[@ascinder]

Dude, the Metadyne Thumper! If you've never held one, you don't know what you're missing. The machining/mechanical quality feel is on a whole other level. If they could have gotten their off the shelf valve sorted out/refined/improved, it would have been a classic.

[@donaldperrin7124]

They’re making then again. Updated it. Check them out

[@soccerguy2433]

I was so amped for Hydrotec paintballs. Actually revolutionary and a great fit for paintball. No swelling from humidity and becoming bouncy are HUGE advantages/improvements over PEG. Allegedly the consistency or the roundness was much better. That and no dimples would improve accuracy

[@RyanMurray-dr4rw]

I have a C3. Had high hopes on the propane front. It wasn't perfect but great when CO2 and high air compressors weren't around. My understanding was that because the propane is ignited in the marker, it was considered a firearm by the government and that's what killed it.

[@quasar8898]

I know very little about current paintball Tech- but back in the 1990s, a bunch of us in rural, Central Pa, did a lot of research into trying to create paint balls that could be fired through existing muzzle loading weapons. Using freshly cleaned weapons with very low powder loads (2-3 gr), we experimented with various paintball makes and mods. Tried making thicker balls, chilled balls,etc.The problem was always the pressure in the barrel broke the ball. We got a few to fire well, but they had to be so thick that they were potentially fatal.

[@Check_Your_Hopper]

PBRML Is so underrated it makes me sad 😭 GIVE THIS MAN MORE SUBS

[@jonathanknights5830]

Who remembers the airgun designs warp feed?

[@MyWoodenshoe]

Especially when used with the Z-Grip. One of the local teams loved them.

[@jonathanknights5830]

​@bacorableagreed. I only ever saw one team in the UK use then which was a AGD Europe sponsored team. They got the idea of force feeding right but if they did it from the top of the marker instead then they might would have been onto a winner.

[@TL-angzarr]

The only marker I regret selling is my AGD Xmag that was set up for warpfeed. It actually worked super well. Just reloads were less intuitive and coming out the left side of a bunker was more awkward. But you did have less exposure over the gun.

[@jitspoe]

I actually used one of those on my steampunk gun, the Cloudmaker!

[@codyrollins3894]

Bro, I rocked a warp feed for years the great big old 88 18inch boom stick on an 2000 dark angel

[@mechredd]

I need to go through my old gear. In the early 2000's I played in several big games that had industry reps and vendors. I've bought a bunch of stuff from small companies that never became successful.

[@Wrench-King_of_Angmar]

I recall wdp and evil pushing for 5K psi tanks in the early 2000's. Never caught on. Also angel air with its digital malarkey.

[@supergoat06]

Loved the 5k evil scions. The problem was fields being able to accommodate to that pressure, like imagine you have 100 players. 3 of them have 5k and rest have 4500. If they had a fill system that filled say 10 ppl, they had to shut off everyone with 4500 then continue to fill the person on the line that had 5k before the line could be purged. The added time needed from 4500 to 5k to fill was only prob another 10sec maybe of the booster running but never took off. Id love to see hpa advance to like 6500 or 7500 bottles as we could go with smaller overall ci bottles but with more pressure to increase efficiency, but fields arent going to drop like 50k+ on upgrades to fill air 😅

[@jaketheripper7385]

Lol I still have my old Pure Energy 5000 PSI carbon fiber tank from like 2003. To be honest I barely used it back in the day and I never filled it passed 3000 (normally only filled it to 2500), and I always kept it stored in properly. It would probably still work just fine, but no one in their right mind would ever fill it or hydro test it. Too bad really. I've considered just doing it myself, but I've never gotten around to it.

[@Brforsaken]

The Draxxus Pulse. The first paintball hopper that could connect to the motherboard of electronic guns either by wire or by bluetooth. It was originally advertised to have a shell strong enough to nail a board into wood. When i bought one it crumbled on my third day with it. Apparently they stole patent techonology from Halo/Empire at the time and the company went to exclusively selling paintballs after that. It was WICKED fast. I was scaring all the kids at the chronograph when i was dumping old paint at 25bps.

[@milesk11]

😂 I still got one laying around

[@Brforsaken]

That thing belongs in a museum somewhere, they're extremely rare because the shells were so fragile.@@milesk11

[@normang3668]

I bought one when they first came out, minus the rf chip... The shells were nowhere near as strong as advertised. However, they were as far as I can tell the first 'quick-strip' loader, with its removable electronics tray. So they were onto something there.

[@Brforsaken]

@@normang3668 yeah! the only surviving part of my pulse was the Feed tray - it even came with the attached battery tray, which would have been FINE to switch to anothher shell... buuut Draxxus got sued to all hell and they couldnt even make replacement shells for it.

[@coolioyeah]

Tray buttons broke off pretty quickly too.

[@thehuntyguy5365]

I love imagining a world where a revolutionary new paintball comes out that is cheaper to produce, and thus cheaper to buy. Me and my buddies switched over to airsoft for the past 4 years because of how cheap it is to play, especially with all of us being broke in college. I can't wait to eventually be able to get back into paintball though.

[@justmaggzz4641]

THANKS for all the work you do for the paintball community

[@brianmullen718]

I remember a crazy brand of paintballs in the 90's called HSI (Hard Shell Impact). Their twist was that the shells were harder, to help avoid issues with the balls breaking in the gun (fairly common back then). I remember hiding in bunkers and people shooting into the windows above me. The balls would bounce off the walls and rain down on me unbroken.

[@baccracker]

The Ol' Tippman SMG was .60 Cal I believe. We used to call it the :Stitcher" be you could get lit up in one trigger pull. LOL

[@dancoley]

.62 cal. I still have one but almost impossible to get balls. Theres one company that sell a batch every once in a while.

[@darrenwhite3362]

I have all the original kit from tippman from 1989 it came with two 9oz co2 . I haven't seen paint in Canada in 10 years. ​

[@immikeurnot]

You got the non-newtonian fluid backwards if used as a paintball fill. It's going to be liquid when it's at rest, but when it hits something it's going to become a solid. That's probably the problem with them breaking on impact. I do remember a company in the late '90s, maybe really early '00s (before 2002 for sure) coming out with a shell I was told was starch-based. The surface wasn't smooth; it had a lot of "tooth". And they seemed to be really hard to break. I remember when the Pro Flex came out. We started getting bounces off masks and it was all anybody would wear. One thing to remember about the foam around the goggles is that it's there to keep stuff from sneaking in behind the goggles and into your eyes.

[@nyemoon7288]

There are actually two types of non-newtonian fluid. Theres shear thickening, which is what you are thinking of where it gets thicker with force, and shear thinning where it thins out as force is applied

[@blissfulshadowsx]

​@@nyemoon7288 there's also bingham plastics, rheopectic, and thixotropic fluids as well.

[@crash86ed]

The E-volt. With battery tech getting better, I wonder how long it could be before we see something like that again. You should interview Simon, honestly.

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

Glad youtube recommended this channel to me. I havent played paintball since 2009 but I have always been interested in the sport since the 90s. For years my hobby was watching people on youtube enjoy their hobby of paintball (Mike Phillips, Webdog radio, Borg (rest in peace), etc...) but it seemed like the sport kinda died off like 8 years ago but lately I have been seeing more about it and hearing about friends going and playing again. Anyways I remember all of these especially the hydreotec paintballs. I remember the double color paint and thought it was the coolest thing.

[@TylerMcL3more]

@9:30 the C3 would have been awesome. you could technically use a large propane tank with a filler attachment to fill those smaller propane tanks too, which would only add to the convenience.

[@jakev1341]

7:37 Just call it a Helldivers paintball mask and it will sell like Hot Cakes 👍

[@kevin8462]

Should have covered the attempted tv paintballs. The ones that were supposed to be brighter with a camera filter so that espn could track shots. Cover this story!!

[@MattTheGymRat]

Im just glad the propane gun from bass warehouse never blew up on anyone... or did it? But 30,000 shots is insane. Great video Brad.

[@flavortown3781]

Butane propane and map are all used alot in GBBR airsoft, never heard of anyone getting hurt

[@PaintballRuinedMyLife]

😂😂 Thanks!

[@shipshape08]

I remember the C3 having some legal issues because of how some states defined firearms.

[@Expatris]

Never mind that the 'burning of a propellant to propel a projectile' made the C3 an actual firearm under federal law.....

[@DocbritoFMF]

Gees I bet your fun at parties, I mean I guess technically by function but it's no more a fire arm then a pellet gun or an air rifle because it just doesn't carry the same velocity. But I'm sure there has to be some part of the definition that describes what is considered a fire arm that separates the C3

[@Expatris]

@DocbritoFMF Well, you'd be wrong to think that. By definition of how it operates it's classified as a firearm. Velocity has nothing to do with it. Law is Law. It doesn't care if you agree with it or not.

[@mematt8955]

i was wondering about that. im surprised that tech hasnt been adopted for pellet guns/firearms. seems more efficient than compressed air and cleaner than powder/primers. so is a potato gun technically a firearm?

[@drakeclouse8763]

Crazy that the fda allowed tippmon to come up with this.

[@mematt8955]

@@drakeclouse8763 more like the atf.

[@ChamorroBoy29]

Playing since 2004, I remember the "Vapor-Ware" of the BPS wars during 2007-2009 with the Draxxus DXS Pulse & NXe JRNY hoppers trying to dethrone the Halo.

[@urignorance2922]

I was out at a flea market 4-5 years ago and missed a chance to get the tippmann c3 working for 50$

[@GottaBeAHero]

Thanks for doing all the research putting these out bro

[@TrailFReEK]

Didn't Rp scherer (Marbeliser) have a starch shell for a little while? seems that i remember they did. Always held its shape well, no dimples and had a powdery coating.

[@randomhero2480]

The double color fill is a sick concept. As well as the idea of a waterproof paintball.

[@jacobrobinson462]

I got to try on the C2 Eyon prototypes that the Angel Eye became, they were super uncomfortable specially due to the weird cheek foam configuration and the fact that the foam was mounted with Velcro allowing it to have its position adjusted, but instead Velcro was just scratching my skin. Tiberius had some story about an Italian company and motorcycle helmets having a trade dress conflict with the mask or something, but it sounded fishy to me. I loved how it looked but it was not a good design. Thanks for the info on hydrotech! I never had those details and I had always wanted to know more about it!

[@williamrobinson4265]

GREAT RESEARCH! thanks so much

[@OG-ProfessorFarnsworth]

I had no idea any actually used propane combustion in something like that! Crazy! Green gas is propane but it’s not burning!

[@axtmann]

I own a C3. I loved pump guns and the weirder they got the more I wanted them. The C3's propane system is really quite safe, propane only ignites at the correct fuel/air ratio and the combustion chamber only allows for a teeny amount of fuel. In my experience the biggest problem was getting reliable ignition as temperature and humidity changed. The spark ignition meant you often experienced a lag between pulling the trigger and getting the paintball downrange; not great when split-seconds matter.

[@danieltaylor8556]

Oh man we got a deal on a bunch of polar ice from our pmi sponsor and it was basically like rubber bc it was designed to work in cold climates, not 105 degrees temps in Texas. We all got hurt in those practices.

[@_JimboSlice]

There was the company that made the finned paintballs made for converted PMI and Bushmaster sniper paintball rifles. Another was the XL Tippman Squadbuster that was twice the size and was like throwing an oversized wet noodle

[@almoreno1981]

I loved the old jt pants they had to ban because balls just bounced off the pants . The spyder rocking trigger that was awsome …

[@christhesmith]

I used to play tournaments in the UK in the EARLY 90's. Cracked me up to see the JT mask is still out there! Loved my no-fog JT!

[@buzzed0nbeer21]

The Q loader…. The most expensive pods that had a mechanical tornado inside. Now its competitors were a giant egg and a Pinocchio. So everyone was trying new stuff. Atleast good hoppers came from them though. The hk speed and the velocity jr. The Qloader was just a great ad in a paintball mag

[@JaronActual]

Q-Loader wasn't inherently bad. If you were able to get it timed and tuned correctly for your gear, it was a big advantage to not have the hopper on top of your gun. But yes, it had some big drawbacks, like the pods being expensive and not being able to top off the hopper.

[@buzzed0nbeer21]

@@JaronActual but you just gave me 4 reasons why it was lol. Compared to normal hoppers when you just pop in batteries and go. But I mean if it worked for you to play that’s all that matters I never had one. I just kept braking the lids off my evolution weekly. Paintballs come a long way to where’s there’s very little innovation

[@mattclark1429]

My favorite needless/ grave yard item was the AGD Warpfeed. It was a high build quality product ( pretty thick plastic and high quality fasteners) . It was designed to move your loader from the top of your marker to the side abd lower the markers profile and provide a positive force feeding option instead of relying on gravity. It was heavy, akward ( threw the balance to left or right) , weighed about 1lb and didnt really help with anything to be honest. Q loaders did about the same thing but they were terrible because you cant reload while shooting. Both neat. Both unnecessary.

[@milspec8283]

I have a tippman 98 i bought when they first came out, my brother had a spyder TL and i cant remember what my cousin had, but we lived on 7acres half wooded and my friends would always come over and we be out there all day shooting eachother. I still have all the markers and gear even though i havent played in 20yrs. I really miss those days.

[@umbralecs]

8:01 I heard that On a side note, the torque loader. Our team used them in 08 and they were really cool for the time. You could take them apart without tools and it was very efficient on batteries. The only problem is that the motor would be running the whole time. I still have it as a backup loader.

[@ExelArts]

Sell it to me

[@hoatzen7887]

this channel is the best upcoming og channel on youtube, this is S+ tier content, thank you homie

[@blahorgaslisk7763]

Oh it's been at least 30 years since I played PB. Much has happened since then. At the time automatic PB markers were not legal where I lived so it was pump action all the way. A friend had a .50 caliber revolver, but the balls were rock hard and almost never ruptured. The goto gun for most serious players were the Phantom. Personally I bought two guns. First a Razorback with the long barrel. It was pretty simple and very reliable. Then I bought a Line SI Bushmaster that had been used by a pretty highly ranked team in the UK before they switched to the Sterling. The Bushmaster were hot rodded all the way with LAPCO internals and was incredibly smooth. The most common mask used was a JC something. It had some problems as it tended to make you chew paint when hit in face so I got a Predator mask instead. It had better sight radius and would protect you from having to eat paint. Never competed, only played for fun in wood land matches. I stopped playing when most people started taking it much to serious for my idea of having fun. It may sound as only pump matches would have to be slow and simple, but some people could get about ten BPS out of a well decked out Phantom. I remember hiding behind a juniper when one of those figured out where I was. That juniper bent over more or less horizontally out of the cloud of balls hitting it and I was thoroughly drenched in paint. What exposed me was that an opposing player took cover a few meters from me behind a tree. I was totally exposed to him and yet he didn't notice and he was close enough that I felt bad about tagging him so I put a ball in his boot to his surprise. But the one then tagging me through the juniper was protecting their flag, and I was maybe ten meters from him when he saw what happened. Lots of fun memories but no chance of reviving the game. Brain damage last winter has me walking with a rollator. Taking that to the field would not be fun. At least not fun for me.

[@craigg4925]

Well, what about the 43 cal, back in the 80s there was a revolver that shot 43 cal, but they only had oil base paint balls, I love it 8 shots, but faster than the Nelspot 007, and yes, I still have mine.

[@xxArsen1xx-OnPsn]

I miss RP Scherer Marballizer and AllStars. Great thick fill you werent wiping, bit heavier so flew great, and the shells were brittle but tough enough, didnt swell, rarely barrel broke but easily broke on impact. Great stuff. That GAP scented paint was fun too 😂

[@merek5380]

New Designz "kick" drop forward like product. It was a triangle of aluminum that angled the tank up towards the hopper by about 15 degrees. This dropped the hight of a gun (when shouldered) and took a little off of the overall length. The result was you could get really really tight. I do not get why this product didnt catch on more. My only guess was that it was theoretically harder to line up a shot, or that airball play didnt demand such tight setups. It was an absolute dream to snapshoot whith a ndz kick but it did require getting used to how the market sat when you shouldered it.

[@calebbrown2983]

The machine Vapor. That gun looked so cool, but then it ended up being a piece of junk.

[@matthewcorrea4278]

The Evs HUD

[@plussign]

AGD Warp Feed would be my favorite. Enjoyed running one myself for some quick indoors to reduce profile, but... yeah, adding that much weight for minimal benefit over just a Halo for anything that actually required movement speed was never going to work out

[@SteveDeo78]

I haven't searched to see if it still exists but I used to get cases of big ball seconds. Loved those. Waxy and hard for the other player to cheat wipe their hits. It also caked as it dried because it was so thick and waxy.

[@hanksamuelson]

AKA "Dissolved Animals" would be a bomb-ass paintball team name.

[@jdswong]

Bought a C3 used off eBay to try out back when they were still being sold new. Played one day with it. I was using a Tippmann Sl-68 as my primary at the time. By comparison, the C3 felt huge in the hands. Also shot consistently seemed off, again in comparison. I remember having high hopes for it, but it felt really weird compared to the SL-68. I'd guess it'd feel downright clunky now, after having shot much better pumps since.

[@osbornoutdoors8778]

Autococker flatline barrel or slam pods

[@JaronActual]

Tippmann made the flatline barrel, and it did work as advertised. A lot of people just didn't understand that the balls didn't break easily at the longer distances because the balls slowed down a lot.

[@DinoPimp]

@@JaronActual The problem with the Tippmann flatline is that it broke paint far too often. You also had to use it with very high quality paint, or the accuracy was non-existent. I figured you were better off buying a quality barrel with decent inserts.

[@majorpain8569]

I had a Crossman pump crossover marker with an 18" microhoned barrel. I could put a ball downfield every 2 seconds. It was a much simpler sport 30 years ago. In one day I got almost 50 kills on people with shorter range and faster rate of fire.

[@supergoat06]

I never got to shoot hydrotec but I heard from someone it shot squirrely from being light. The person I talked to gave me a handful of them and I just kind of kept them around in the top pouch of my eclipse backpack. I finally threw them away prob 2 yrs ago. The shell was weird you could push it in and dent it and itd pop itself out. It felt kind of like those cheap plastic coffee lids that go on like styrofoam cups.

[@littletweeter1327]

This history video was awesome, I’d love to see more content like it

[@RupertFoulmouth]

Back in the day when I played, I had an all metal mask. It was heavy and I had to rig a top strap to keep in on but it was but more breathable which was great for an out of shape man like myself.

[@socalpumpballer]

The original VLocity hopper concept that never went to market was a hopper that you locked a whole pod into the back of the hopper. I can’t find a picture but I remember seeing it in catalogs.

[@PaintballRuinedMyLife]

I don’t remember, maybe you jogged a memory but idk lol

[@supergoat06]

I remember it, the hopper was triangular shaped and the pod pushed in and locked. The profile of the pod at a angle was ridiculous 😂 but all that it was, was updated version of jt slam pod and basically got rid of the jt slam attachment for the revvy and used the mechanism onto the hopper tray. People didnt want proprietary pods. The vlocity we got though was a phenomenal hopper except for brittle shells and terrible battery efficiency. If VL would re-release the vlocity in a plastic similar to rotor or spire and use electronics and motor that doesnt eat batteries I'd buy it in a heartbeat

[@davidbasco7076]

I liked my c3. The only thing that killed it for me was the inability to change barrels. I would have to use big bore size paintballs to prevent role out. But a cool woodsball toy.

[@nicholas_scott]

The thing about 50 caliber is I remember using it in the 50s. It did not catch on in the 50s because of the shorter range, poor accuracy, and tendency to bounce. Fast forward 30 years, and 50 caliber was "rediscovered" and was going to make paintball better.... then people realized that it still had all the same problems. The C3 was the issue that it occationally shoicked the user from its piezo trigger.

[@chasebarber6154]

The secret I found to 50 cal is to use the JT Splatmaster paint(not sure if they still make it). Since it's designed with super low velocity in mind, it has a very brittle shell that still held up to firing in my Spyder Opus. Range and accuracy are still a problem, but with the smaller/lighter gear, it's easier to sprint and close the gap.

[@BrandonGavin_EDC]

I worked at a big field and store from 2008-2015 and 50 caliber didn’t take off at all, only sold it in kids pump markers to get young people into the sport.

[@Spaceman-si9cs]

Man I remember saving up $60 to buy a nice case of paint every weekend to go play. NOTHING was worse than being 14 broke mowing lawns all week to buy a case of paint and you open it up and a ball is broken and the bag is ruined. Haven’t played since like 2013 but I bet it’s changed a lot. And yes we had to rake the fields to get the old swollen balls off the field.

[@TruthHrtz413]

I remember when marbilizer balls came out, green and black swirl...they were like 70$ a case?! That and the air trigger mod for the tippman 98, could hook it up to your side port and have a pneumatic trigger. Still have one actually, its an air hog though. Put it w/ a remote and 20oz. tank tho and its hipfire madness

[@Najsnwjsbdn]

Rap4’s version of first strike, I think they like literally just called it “shaped projectiles” looked cool. Wanted to buy some forever, that and the c3, wanted one so bad

[@DevinOSmith777]

im late to the party, but JT used to make a barrel that would make ur paintballs spin. you could curve ur paint up, down, left, or right. would be intresting to see a barrel comeout with an attatchment at the tip of the barrel with a slider that would spin ur paint which ever way.

[@sphoenix41]

the angel eyes is a really cool lookin mask that could definitely be a neat movie prop

[@matthite4797]

Another dead innovative product I think of would be the Q-loader. They are still out there but very rarely and of course there’s no replacement parts other than aftermarket/3D printed

[@ElNeroDiablo]

As someone who has to wear glasses to see anything in detail because of heavy myopia - the Angel Eyes mask looks like it'd interfere less with my 'script glasses compared to the normal mask with a foam gasket around the visor. For reference I can't go swimming outside of chest-deep water (so around the 4ft 6 mark) much as the goggles you typically find interfere with my glasses by rarely making a seal around the wings/arms of my frames, typically forcing me to sacrifice quality of vision (can't wear contacts) for the ability to even keep my eyes open (plus being a nose-breather makes goggles fog up like crazy anyway). Sadly; it's an expensive hobby that's difficult to get in to, as here in Australia; Paintball is *heavily* regulated under "pew-pew" laws in the states and territories, to the point to own a marker of any size here in NSW - I have to have installed in my shed/garage a 'pew-pew' cabinet for longarms that's bolted in to the concrete, and have installed in the boot/trunk of my car a similar longarm case bolted down to the car. "But what about Airsoft?!" - sadly Airsoft and Gelsoft are banned in basically every state and territory under "replica pew-pew" laws. I'm just glad that I can fling foam with NERF, DartZone, X-Dart and such as those are able to be sold on retail shelves under our "toy pew-pew" laws that allow the .50 cal Elite and 20mm Mega (and I think also those weird "Ultra" darts/blasters). *But* we can not buy the "aimed at teens and older" lines like the 'foam golf ball' lines of Rival & Hypr, as those when stock shoot too hot for our legislatures.

[@digitalis2977]

I always used Proball Paint when available...even though they were close to $80 a case in the late 90s (and came with fewer balls per case.) They just shot better than the Zap, and the Wipers HATED them because of the non-Newtonian fill.

[@bluyben]

The C3 was pretty tame. I think the biggest issue was a zero upgrade path. The C3 also used spent fuel as a source of pressure. Propane also had a low threshold for safety issues and was for all intent and purposes safe. Your standard HPA tank has far more potential for hazards.

[@ementa1]

I remember all the rage when hydrotech was coming out. So much promise but never heard about it again. Got to try on the angel eyes at HB2010. It wasn’t big but the lens going above the frame just didn’t look right.

[@TheBroz]

I've worn a few of the different Angel Eyes prototypes and they were awful. They did indeed sit awful on your cheek bones, the pads were swappable for better fit but they never sat right. You're totally right about the air circulation. It's why they were always shown with mirrored lenses, if you had a clear in you could see the lower portion fogging up almost instantly. The acoustics in them were also terrible. They were clearly designed without any consideration towards reality.

[@PaintballRuinedMyLife]

Ahhh didn’t even think about the mirrored lenses!

[@ragewood_OZ]

Have you ever done a vid on paintball scumbaggery? Back when I used to play we had an unwritten team rule. When collecting pods after a game all team pods were carried under the arms. The other teams pods were closed and slotted into your pod pack. Dye pods were especially sought after. Back in the pits they were dumped into someone’s gear bag never to see the light of day. I ended up with nearly a dozen dye pods without ever purchasing one.

[@JaronActual]

I wrapped colored electrical tape on my Dye pods to positively identify them. Never had a pod walk off on me after that.

[@mothjoke]

Solid vid, I remember when the propane one was coming out, such an interesting concept, but also kind of scary. I wonder if there was ever any incidents.

[@Valin9275]

Make monster balls the standard.

[@xursed7990]

I used the C3 back in summer camp. One time the propane started leaking on a kid out of his gun making a hissing noise. We had to place it on the field and have everyone stand back until all the propane leaked out.

[@PaintballRuinedMyLife]

Hahaha hell yeah I’d run

[@yorkrojas1452]

Amazing Thanks!! Do an Icon Paintball thing, I like those Spyder Clones, had a blast.

[@TheDungeonMasterz]

ngl the C3 sounds absolutely awesome for certain specific applications.

[@MJRLHobbyStuff]

Oh man C-3 tippman. So awesome!

[@notasgoodas8619]

Anybody remember RAP4 43 caliber shell ejecting stuff? I was really into those back in the day. My local field was a little confused by them, but they chronoed within the limits so they let me run em. I had a replica M4 and AK47. They also made a replica Remington 870 pump that shot 68 cal balls, had one of those too. Was cool, but you'd be badly outclassed by even the rental Tippmann 98s.

[@mrmors1344]

those angel eye goggles got picked up by some prop houses. i can't remember where but i saw more than few of them on screen at same time in some tv show a few years ago.

[@awol10199]

For real on the paintballs. The standard of roundness is horrible and i actually think paintballs were rounder in the early 2000s. Bigger paint as well. I would sacrifice fill consistences for rounder paint any day

[@LithiumPB]

Dayum, the hydrotec balls sound so good Wish that powderballs were more common for fields just for the cleanliness-

[@REB4444]

10:19 Propane has been working great with airsoft for decades now and is very efficient, so this should have been the way to go instead of CO2 or compressed air without any need to light it up. I don't remember a horrible propane smell, even indoors shooting custom airsoft guns all day. We even got hired by law enforcement to provide them custom equipment as a cheaper, safer alternative to Simunitions because we could provide 1:1 exact replicas in look, weight, functionality with some recoil to the real steal.

[@iamcondescending]

I would have definitely loved to use those paintballs, I feel like if they'd made a FS round with that tech, it would have been game-changing.

[@corydaigle1812]

totally agree. it would easily be the best around if they get the formula rite cause paint quality sucks now as it is.

[@deejumsduzall8804]

I’ve been out of the game since 2012. These videos are making me wanna get back in.