The Painted Lady's TRUE Identity [Avatar The Last Airbender Theory]

[@SuperCarlinBrothers]

Who is your favorite past avatar?!

[@unkle_iroh]

Kioshi or Rocu also big fan

[@nickodagoat7395]

My favorite in Wan

[@Sethizer.]

2nd repley, mwahahahahahaha >:D

[@madhyena8848]

I know that this is pretty basic but aang

[@mcreamythebloodylegend6690]

Kyoshi

[@Stormblessed__]

Animator who forgot the moon was supposed to be a crescent: “Yup, this was my intention the WHOOOLE time.”

[@KarolineThePagan]

fckin animator lol

[@sunfishstuff8305]

"yup totally not cuz I forgot or anything" *sweats profusely*

[@whiskeyshaw8818]

The fact that even the mistakes in the show work out just shows how incredible ATLA is

[@iapr18]

Actually that episode is an entire forgotten time lapse, the river could not have been cleaned in a day, the montage suggests a few days passed, which I was ok with for the longest time, we were used to the gang traveling to a town and spending time there, and surely the production team was too, so why would this time be different? Oh wait, Sokka did mention that they were on a very tight schedule at the start of the episode... WHOOPS!

[@sama_galleria]

I was thinking this 😂

[@annaking1025]

I like to think, that yue and the painted lady become friends and, braid each other's hair in the spirit world

[@Zapporah85]

My head canon has Yue too preoccupied with talking La out of causing world wide tsunami's and chaos for that 🤣

[@autumbreeze1129]

And that's an amusing image you just put in my head I didn't know I needed. Wonder if they visit Iroh for tea.

[@llamaduden3397]

That's kinda hard since Yue isn't in the spirit world, you know since she's the moon and all that, it was stated that she crossed over from the spirit world, which yes says that the spirit of the moon isn't living there but instead is living in the mortal world as the fish

[@pootypootytangtang4k]

they did

[@l.d.walters4650]

🤣🤣🤣🤣That's an awesome idea!

[@barbiquearea]

"If Koh stole her face, then how does the Painted Lady have a face?.......Couldn't this be the reason the Painted Lady is painting her face?" Or she could have met the Mother of Faces (Koh's mother) in the Forgetful Valley (probably where Koh stashed her) just like Ursa did. Upon seeing Ummi all faceless and alone, she took pity on the poor girl and made her a new face. This could also explain why Kuruk never found her because the Forgetful Valley can give you amnesia. She could have forgotten her old life taken on a new identity as The Painted Lady.

[@sacha7958]

This is now my headcanon

[@ivy-ql7uz]

Ok this is what I belive now

[@KarolineThePagan]

Fascinating although the face stealer and mother of faces were separated. And yikes having amnesia must've been terrible.

[@FracturedEarth]

I'm 💯 on board

[@thegrapetree652]

Actually the "amnesia" is the mother of faces wiping your memory if you wish to leave your past behind.

[@tetragaming6332]

So, the painted lady was the fiance of the Previous water Avatar. And she appeared in front of the Waterbender who would eventually marry the Airbender reincarnation of her fiance. What if her saying 'Thank you' to Katara wasn't just about the river. It could have been a secret message thanking her for Keeping the Avatar loved.

[@thisisme4459]

This theory is sooooo good!!!

[@bipbeedippy3954]

:D

[@olhydra]

Why did this make me tear up :(

[@bobthetrain8986]

It makes sense because the previous water avatar (not korra) was getting married to Ummi but before the wedding, Koh the face stealer dragged her into the spirit world and stole her face.

[@waldllwyn139]

ToT

[@EriqireM]

Ko, the Face Stealer's name literally Translates to "Eternity." So Umi dies during the wedding and her true face is forgotten. Then all that remains are the paintings of her.

[@EriqireM]

@Mark McPherson Thanks! It has pockets!

[@creatorsss]

Koh

[@KarolineThePagan]

Nice interpretation or theory.

[@longlivehellokitty]

oh that's a good one! she has to paint on a face. it would of probably be too creepy to animate that.

[@patrickhodson8715]

I always assumed Ko was named after the Chinese word 口 ("Kou3") which means face or mouth (or gate or opening or entrance/exit or head in the sense "head of cattle" but referring to people, because Chinese be like that)

[@IronKnuckleKO]

I'll do you one better... WHY IS THE PAINTED LADY?!

[@noah-fc3lx]

?

[@almendranena3553]

I bet you wrote that before watching the video sdfghjk

[@eviekirschling8167]

@@noah-fc3lx it’s a reference to avengers infinity war

[@noah-fc3lx]

@@eviekirschling8167 Oh okay :)

[@blueflower-qw5jj]

GET OUT OF HERE HAHAHAHAHA LOL!

[@mythandmayhem1134]

“Ben likes Appa” Who DOESN’T like Appa?

[@retrozip]

Azula, Ozai

[@GgGg-bc4on]

Long feng

[@mythandmayhem1134]

@@GgGg-bc4on Oh, yeah. Frick that guy.

[@sillycheese4146]

People who had only seen the movie. Not the series

[@mythandmayhem1134]

@@sillycheese4146 Yeah, that’s probably not wrong.

[@Nubin2000]

I thought that the painted lady was a former Fire Nation Princess who drowned in the river but became a Spirit because of her extreme spirituality. Kinda like a mix of Iroh and Yue stories.

[@noah-fc3lx]

Wow that's a good idea

[@nerdfightercommenter6969]

That’s such a perfect backstory! Wow

[@Zapporah85]

I could get behind that! I do think they're on to something with the water tribe symbol appearing on her forehead though. They incorrectly tied it to Kuruk but I think the train of thought makes sense. Maybe one of the prisoners that were killed after Hama escaped or maybe a water tribe woman who married and lived in the fire nation only to be killed when the war began. Or maybe even a water tribe woman who lived peacefully and died in the fire nation. Not all spirits have to have tragic backstories 🤣

[@eseisobi9768]

This is why I love this show

[@Nubin2000]

@@Zapporah85 I just hope the Painted Lady has pure Fire Nation origins just like the other Spirits have their pure Nation origins.

[@nickodagoat7395]

Who else loves the Avatar theories

[@nickodagoat7395]

I do

[@SuperCarlinBrothers]

ME!

[@virginiasantiagofox6461]

@@SuperCarlinBrothers hello I love your vids

[@hmmmm2824]

Me. Alot

[@virginiasantiagofox6461]

@ARADARi hafezi LIES

[@maywenearedhel]

I just figured she was the spirit of the river manifesting as a woman.

[@russelldouglas8746]

Yeah, that seems like a more plausible theory.

[@russelldouglas8746]

Also, doesn't "she was a previous Avatar's fiance," make the world seem so much smaller?

[@ethanquirk28]

@@russelldouglas8746 yup. To me this video seemed more like “is it possible that it could be spun that Ummi could potentially be the Painted Lady” more than “who is the Painted Lady”

[@Zinervawyrm]

Me too, like a river kami.

[@akumaking1]

@@russelldouglas8746 same

[@JustinY.]

Plot Twist: The real painted lady is just Katara from another reality

[@thanos7073]

im early on a justin y comment

[@robinsonbright2671]

Here

[@virginiasantiagofox6461]

That’s good

[@azultarmizi]

nah

[@lowkeylaw]

im too drunk for this comment

[@AtarahDerek]

I think the Painted Lady is just a woman who lived in that town and cared for the river before ascending to the spirit world the same way Iroh did.

[@Athyxer]

I a the

[@IanWangai]

That's a very intelligent point of view really coz let's not forget that we never know of the true identity of the painted lady. And since the woman naturally cared about that town it would explain why she'd watch over it even in the spirit world

[@DimitryRotstein]

Actually, the moon isn't necessarily full in the later shot, because there is no discernable disk, just a bright glow. It might appear full (or rather symmetric) due to "overexposure" (a fake one since it's animated, but still).

[@JohnDoe-vt8vp]

also in our universe, the moons lighting is decided by how it stands from the sun and i thought i heard we see the same side of the moon but im not sure about that one

[@DimitryRotstein]

@@JohnDoe-vt8vp Yes, we mostly see the same side of the Moon from Earth, but we do get a peek of the other side, so altogether we can see 59% of the Moon instead of 50%. Google "libration" for details.

[@skyblue2708]

@@JohnDoe-vt8vp The Moon is tidal locked with the Earth which means the Moons rotation and orbit are synchronised in such a way that the same side of the Moon is always facing the Earth no matter where it is in it's orbit/rotation.

[@Mark_Goddin]

Why does a random northern water tribe woman become the guardian spirit of a random fire nation river?

[@TheAce5399]

She was born and raised in the southern water tribe. But I agree that it doesn't make sense why a Water Tribe woman would want to help the fire nation. Not because they're enemies, but because she has no ties to them.

[@punaisebelkanaal6813]

I see what you did there 😜 WHAT’S HER NAME, MAN!

[@97Jarjarbinks]

@@TheAce5399 But they weren't enemies yet when she died. Still it doesn't make much sense anyway.

[@Zapporah85]

That's why I think it's one of the prisoners that died after Hama escaped. Maybe their bodies floated down stream 😣

[@MastarNinja]

@@Zapporah85 Can't be one of them. The spirit existed before Kyoshi.

[@Shinntoku]

Imo Occam's razor, the Painted Lady is just a river spirit. She thanks Katara because the river pollution was weakening her

[@juma8126]

Occam's razor 2.0 You're probably right, but their theory may be correct given the amount of redcons the creators did to the spirits when creating Korra.

[@ethanquirk28]

@@juma8126 they never retconned the spirits being a spirit of x thing or place. Rava was the spirit of light, Vaatu was the spirit of darkness, Wan’s friend was the spirit of the Oasis etc.

[@luvcherry]

exactly, no way she was intended to be anyone and honestly she's better as an unknown because it showed us how much we don't know about the spirit world and its relations with humanity

[@fightingmedialounge519]

Except he literally states in the video that it was confirmed that the painted lady was human at one point.

[@Shinntoku]

@@fightingmedialounge519 that doesn't mean she has to be a character we knew as a human though

[@getshwifty3101]

"...died about a month before this ep aired." Sir, in our world, she died about 2-3 years prior. In-canon time, it's been about 3-6 months, not one. Yue died in late/end of Winter, this ep takes place in beginning of Summer

[@Zapporah85]

Thank you, I was pretty sure his timeline was incorrect. You saved me the Google 😊

[@dariusscamander9358]

Was it winter or was just the North pole. I thought the show took place over three months or one summer.

[@getshwifty3101]

@@dariusscamander9358 No, each Book corresponds to their respective season. Water is in Winter. Earth is in Spring (there's even an episode where they say Appa is shedding his fur at the beginning of Spring.) And Fire is in Summer (Sozin's Comet is said to arrive at the end of Summer.) (Edit) I believe the writers state the whole show takes place through about 9-10 months

[@Zapporah85]

@@dariusscamander9358 No, it takes place over roughly 6 months. We know this because Roku tells Aang about the comet on the winter solstice and the comet comes on the summer solstice. avatar.fandom.com/wiki/History_of_the_World_of_Avatar

[@getshwifty3101]

@@Zapporah85 Again, it'd be a bit longer. As he is told on Ep 8-9, and it's safe to assume that during the 7 ep before that, they weren't rushing. They had no reason too. The writers themselves say 9-10 months in the Avatar Extra pop-ups.

[@henryblain3959]

Surprised you didn’t talk about the reason the painted lady has a face could be that spirits can represent themselves however they want. Like how the Avatar spirits can pick their age instead of all looking like old geezers. Or when Darth Vader force ghosts as young adult Aniken, or when Professor X mentally projects himself as Piccard

[@petertracycarroll]

I hope in a future comic zuko gets to meet the blue spirit Also kuruk is one of my favourite avatar’s he’s such a tragic character

[@shalomlevlederman5124]

Yeah his one of my favourite too not going to lie i kanda hate yangchen after reading the shadows pf kyoshi

[@Nerdnotwashere]

Every Avatar kind of screws over the next one. Szeto screwed over Yangchen by only focusing on the Fire Nation, ignoring the rest of the world which meant Yangchen had to focus on the world ignoring spirits which some argue sent Kuruk into an early grave since he had spend so much time there. (Also she made things too peaceful). I don’t know how Kuruk messed over Kyoshi so skip. I saw an argument once that Kyoshi actually, accidentally, made it so that the Earth Kingdom was less united which made it so Sozin could conquer it more easily screwing over Ruko and Aang. (Though Ruko could have, but didn’t, prevented the war). If Aang hadn’t run away he could have saved the Air Nation, a mess that Korra ended up fixing.

[@francescapuy.]

@@Nerdnotwashere Kyoshi made the Dai Li which became corrupt

[@shalomlevlederman5124]

@@Nerdnotwashere kuruk screwed kyoshi by necleting the four Nations allowing dafoi to take over the earth kingdom

[@DaRozeman]

@@Nerdnotwashere Actually, I believe that Korra ended up fixing Wan's (The first Avatar) mistake (creating the need for an Avatar in the first place) by reuniting the physical and spirit worlds and restoring true balance to the world. I also believe that Korra may have also permanently ended the Avatar cycle (explaining why she can no longer communicate with her past incarnations). Bear in mind I have not read the books or the manga so I'm just theorizing here.

[@pikapuff123]

I reject the impulse that in every fandom everything has to be connected to something else we are familiar with. To me, the painted lady existed to show even the smallest town in this world has a deep, storied history to it and mythology all its own. That deepens the world. The idea that she needs to be another person that we were introduced to that one time makes the world seem smaller and shallower.

[@slightlyembittered]

J: "The Painted Lady is Yue." Me: "What!? But Katara knows Yue personally so why would Yue be in disguise? Also, Yue has only been the Moon Spirit for around a month. That seems way too soon to be coming out with secret identities. Plus, isn't the myth of the Painted Lady older than Yue is?"

[@undevelopedCAKE]

Not to mention the moon spirit and the ocean spirit are two different spirits so Yue being the ocean spirit with black hair doesn't make sense HAHA

[@Kangakool]

Before J says who it is my guesses are that the Painted Lady is: 1. Avatar Roku's wife 2. Avatar Kyoshi's daughter, Koko 3. Gran Gran? 4. Oh, like... wait, is it the chick who got her face stolen? *gasp* did I get it? UPDATE: YAAAAAS I GOT IT!!! I also thought of Yue, but it's obviously not her, she is too recently a spirit, and the voice is different. I have to say, it's a little weird that Ummi, from the Northern Water Tribe is the patron spirit of a Fire Nation town, but to each their own, right?

[@Cutie_Amor]

Well she died long before the was animosity there, so it was probably just because it was a struggling river town when she first manifested

[@Zapporah85]

That's why I think it's one of the prisoners that were killed after Hama escaped. The water tribe connection is there, that symbol on her forehead is very similar to the water tribe symbol, which is the one Kuruk wears but I think that's just a coincidence. Especially since the whole tribe uses it as their symbol.

[@Vixen1409]

Kyoshi had a kid????

[@Vixen1409]

@@Zapporah85 since the painted lady was mention the the kyoshi story it cant be one of the prisoners they died long after kyoshi died

[@Kangakool]

@@Vixen1409 Yeah, she ran Kyoshi island after her mom died. There’s a little girl on Kyoshi island named Koko (the one who calls Aang “Aangy”) and she was named after the original Koko.

[@MoiraMcGill]

Honestly think it's pretty obvious that Yue isn't the Painted Lady. For one, they look nothing alike and, two, the Painted Lady was stated to be a local legend which means she's been a thing around there for a while. I thought it was obvious that she's a local powerful spirit. You know, like Hei Bai :v Edit: also, Ummi has distinctly different eyes from the Painted Lady who has eyes that we've only seen in the Fire Nation. Kyoshi comes close to having that type of eyes though. Not saying it's Kyoshi, just saying that she's the only other person I can remember coming close to that eye type other than Fire Nation poeple.

[@MoiraMcGill]

@@kasstmaster944 If that were the case then she would have a smooth face surface instead of clearly defined features (such as a nose). You know, just like the baboon Aang ran into who had its face stolen.

[@kingnamor7777]

Fun fact: the Avatars reincarnate into a person who has a similar appearance to their late spouse aka husband or wife.

[@xdsmile5359]

Ummm have you seen kyoshi?Shes 7 feet tall i doubt any girl much less ummi was that tall.

[@kingnamor7777]

@@xdsmile5359 when I mean appearance. I meant the face in general. Not physical appearance.

[@mewtwo150clone]

@@MoiraMcGill this exactly as i thought too, she wouldnt have a nose or mouth if her face was stolen. But you know it doesnt matter because a popular youtubers "theories are facts to their cult followers 🤣

[@mikefenton8327]

Talking about Kuruk leads to an interesting point in that almost every Avatar we know of does two things: fixes their previous incarnation's mistakes and makes new mistakes for their successor. Korra deals with the downsides of the united peoples constructed under Aang's time. Aang deals with Roku's failure to prevent the war We don't know about Roku's challenges, but I imagine Kyoshi's style of mediation left a lot of villages that dislike the Avatar for one reason or the other. Kyoshi deals with Kuruk's lack of involvement in physical world affairs. Kuruk has to deal with Yangchen's flawed and human-centric "compromises" with the spirit world. Yangchen probably had to make those deals to address her predecessor's almost exclusive focus on rebuilding the fire nation.

[@WarmLillie]

It makes a lot of sense because without a face should would need to have a painted face. Make sense to me Also a little bonus: If you look in the comic the mother all spirt can give new faces and erases memories. Who knows if the encounter each other? This just a random thought

[@hypersonixgamer1962]

... You realize that's his mother, right?

[@WarmLillie]

@@hypersonixgamer1962 Yes

[@hypersonixgamer1962]

@@WarmLillie Then why'd you ask what would happen if they met?

[@cedartheyeah.justyeah.3967]

@@hypersonixgamer1962 Maybe because they've been separated from the beginning of time?

[@squar3151]

i like the comic theory because if she lost her face why would she have a nose also the creators probably don't have a identity for the painted lady so there's no point of making this theory

[@Darkwolfala7]

While you make a compelling argument, I have to wonder why would she have become a river spirit guardian instead of an ocean spirit or spirit guardian of the north pole where she was born and passed away? It's traditionally written that when a spirit usually forms, they either haunt the area they died or tie themselves to something relating to their death or of great significance during their life. Yue, being the moon, is able to cast her spirit where ever the moon can shine its light, but I can't see the same thing happening here since I don't see a connection between her and this random village that may not have existed during Kummi's life.

[@TheAce5399]

She was born and raised in the southern water tribe.

[@arabellamills7326]

shes just the ocean spirit basically, yue can show up anywhere the light shines, Ummi probably looks after bodies of water or something.

[@Zinervawyrm]

Especially a random Fire-Nation river town.

[@slash7112]

That still doesnt explain why a spirit who was born from a southern water tribe citizen and whose patron(??) predominantly lives in the northern tribe would become a guardian of a random village in the fire nation half the world away. Would love to know how that came to happen assuming your theory is right

[@Joseph_Roffey]

Are you sure you want to know? I probably wouldn’t want to know what Ko does with the faceless dead bodies... 😱

[@kitkat7074]

If she is indeed influenced by the water spirit then she can be anywhere water is cause you know....the "sea". She left the town because of pollution so it's not hard to assume she just went to another town that needed help.

[@SgtSupaman]

@@Joseph_Roffey , if I remember right, those that have their faces stolen don't actually die (not right away, at least). I'm pretty sure Aang meets some faceless animals before he encounters Ko.

[@HART-sk3bz]

My guess is that after she was pulled thru the one entrance to the spirit world (the spirit pond) by the face stealer and was saved she wondered the spirit world for a while and finally found an exit that just so happened to be in the fire Nation, as for why she stayed there I'm simply guessing she fell in love with the place (it is really beautiful after cleaned) and she had no reason not to because the fire Nation wasn't considered bad back when she arrived

[@samuelt.6354]

@@SgtSupaman he also mets a living person that had his face stolen in the comics

[@sofian8571]

(Ben likes Appa) EVERYONE likes Appa. The episode where he was abused and injured is so sad, I've only ever watched it once :(

[@markuswilson872]

I'm actually allergic to the fur that a bison shreds so I would be allergic to Appa

[@galacticpheonix5328]

because when I watch something I can't skip an episode unless I'm cringing so hard I won't skip it but I ont cringe at all during the appa ep I had to watch it so sad

[@superbeltman6197]

its pronouced TWEE not TWO-EE

[@neji8palm]

It’s such a common mistake but kills me every time

[@TheAce5399]

@Daniel Johnson Push and pull.

[@tiffxnylee]

so glad someone said it

[@Zapporah85]

Thank you, it causes me physical pain to hear her name mispronounced.

[@noahwilson3590]

That’s what I thoughy

[@hmmmm2824]

Sorry if some one already said that but what if there were few women like Katara, whom helped out the village as the painted lady before katara and that's why the village wasn't surprised of Katara's work🎨

[@dowottboy5889]

Also, Ummi was the fiancee of an Avatar, and Katara, who dresses up as the painted lady, ends up marrying Aang, another Avatar!

[@SeabassFishbrains]

I think that the painted lady is avatar Kiyoshi's mother. An airbender turned criminal who was known for painting her face with red and white grease makeup as a part of the "flying opera company" (her gang) and died tragically young seems like a great candidate to become a spirit. She also would have died around the right time.

[@TheAce5399]

This is a better theory imo because of the specific part of the painted lady's story is her spirituality. Air Nomads are trained to be disconnected in this life in order to become enlightened and ever ascend into a spirit. We only know of three people ever doing that, none of them being airbenders, but one WAS a firebender, Iroh. If your theory is correct, she would at least be a better candidate HOWEVER it was Kyoshi's father that painted his face, not saying she couldn't pick up her husband's tradition. But, she also abandoned her monastery life to become a criminal, which to me, seeing as Air Nomads are known to want no earthly ties and are thus without material, she would have lost her spirituality connection. Even her bending became weakened over the years away from the monastery so I would assume that maybe she is also not the panted lady. Still a better option than Ummi however.

[@chanakyaverpula3546]

@@TheAce5399 she did lose her spiritual powers due to being a criminal. that's the reason she uses those fans to airbend since she can't airbend well this means that to airbend, you need to have spirituality so the same applies to her being a spirit roaming in the normal world since spirits can roam in the spirit world they can do that in the material world but at the time the spirit portals were not open so its not her 100 % not 99% [this is an extension for your theory]

[@joemama9855]

No way dude she completely abandoned her spirituality to become a gangster😂 does that sound like someone who would turn into a spirit?

[@florenceb1031]

"But Appa's ok, right?" The most important question in the entire show.

[@cherryzhao2122]

Wait so she...doesn’t...have a face and it’s literally just covered by...paint..

[@tendyboiz1046]

Yah, i wish he said if she blinked or not

[@pootypootytangtang4k]

kinda

[@zoeh7077]

No, if her face were gone, she would not have a nose or eyes. We see this with the monkey outside Koh's lair when Aang talks to him at the end of season one and again in the third book of the comic trilogy The Search with the faceless young water tribe man. He doesn't even age... or eat... for like, multiple decades.

[@shortbean0]

Zoe H plot twist, she painted on her eyes and was so good, she also made the nose look 3D.

[@eudaimonia2998]

I might be mistaken, but aren’t the only women of the water tribe that wear the betrothal necklace and not the men?

[@salask17]

I don't know the answer but it'd make sense if the Avatar made a tribute necklace after the fiance's death.

[@shalomlevlederman5124]

i think your right

[@HART-sk3bz]

I think you are correct but it makes sense that he'd wear it in remembrance of her

[@patAxe3]

Bolin?

[@eudaimonia2998]

patAxe3 That’s what I mean. When he got his betrothal necklace they asked him if it was supposed to be the guy giving it to the girl instead.

[@matthewmurphy2881]

her necklace actually looks kinda like the sea with a cresent moon is the top left

[@myrat9561]

Also "La" is the pull in the "push and pull" cycle, Ummi was quite literally- pulled in the water as well.

[@Collserra3]

Weak

[@Your_Best_Self]

Right she was yanked

[@SupremeLeaderKimJong-un]

Plot twist: I'm the Painted Lady Bet you didn't expect that

[@virginiasantiagofox6461]

Lol

[@brawl8]

Off it’s is stated in your book. Just like you created you tube.

[@vin_ce_nt_]

wHaT iN tHe FaK-

[@galacticpheonix5328]

NANI????!!!!!!

[@samc1128]

Since Ko took Rafa's face, the theory that the Painted Lady just painted on a new face is cleared out of the picture. But looking into the Rise of Kyoshi, it says that Rangi took on the Painted Lady's makeup design when she and Kyoshi joined up with the Flying Opera Company. So possibly that the Painted Lady was once either a member of the Flying Opera Company or could have been even Kyoshi's mother Jesa. But maybe the Painted Lady could have been someone that had once met Hark and Jesa & in my new theory, maybe she was born to a Fire Nation family with having some water tribe in her blood due to her hair and eye color.

[@Manganra7]

I always imagined that she was just a normal villager, someone who wanted to do good, but for whatever reason, didn’t want her friends and family finding out. This theory is interesting too.

[@candlelight5376]

Loving the Avatar content!

[@laneyg24]

I know right!

[@SuperCarlinBrothers]

thanks!

[@jadad468]

These Avatar theories are perfect to fuel my obsession, having just binged it (for the 1st time, actually) and all...

[@guitar19971]

Welcome to the Avatar fandom!

[@PancakeTheKat]

Welcome! I’ve watched it 5 times.. And still going

[@OutOfPocket-h9e]

Zhao also mentioned that the ocean and moon spirits decided to become mortals in the mortal world. Tui, the moon spirit became mortal by giving Yue a life. But they never explained why La, the ocean spirit became mortal. This painted lady theory explains why La became mortal. La saved Ummi, but it costed La to become mortal. This is just another theory of mine that supports this painted lady theory.

[@ericguzman1191]

Please make a video about how avatar Kuruk is misunderstood and about why he died so young

[@LoneWhiteMage]

You should definitely read the Kyoshi books. They are awesome.

[@shalomlevlederman5124]

Faxs

[@connorwhite7120]

I gotta say, I had kind of lost track of your guys' videos until you started doing ATLA theories and I remembered how much something as simple as the intro makes me smile Idk it's good to be back

[@mattgreene868]

plz make more avatar vids idk if it's just me but i LOVE them

[@slightlyembittered]

"I mean, uh, is Ummi the true identity of Painted Lady?" Me: "NO." Also my favorite food is Sesame Chicken.

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

"Now let's see who you really are" You thought it was the Painted Lady but it was I, *DIO*

[@tegan2950]

Is that a jojo reference???

[@robinsonbright2671]

@@tegan2950 everything is a jojo reference

[@danielawesome36]

Is that a JoJo reference???

[@poopypooper1111]

Nobody is “beneath” the paint because the painted lady is a spirit. Its literally stated in the episode

[@la-nyarichardson483]

He is talking about who the painted lady coul be when she was a human

[@Netherdan]

2:48 ah yes, I was wondering when did Sokka learn about Excel timelines

[@markuswilson872]

well he was in a library that holds all info about future past and present in the episode when Appa was stolen

[@Netherdan]

@@markuswilson872 yeah, but the description of modern technology is based on the foxes point of view, so a computer would be something like a colony of super fast ants that does math and paint over a square in front of the human, and an excel timeline would be a magical scroll made by those ants that predicts the optimal future. Said scroll would be designed by the ants and painted inside a box by a mouse that runs back and forth with its feet covered in ink

[@markuswilson872]

@@Netherdan but all sokka has to do is the same thing just on a smaller scale

[@fueledbypaintwater]

Do a theory on how Iroh was the only person who could see aang on roku's dragon in the spirit world. It still baffles me to this day.

[@ethanquirk28]

Because Iroh is already connected to the Spirit World, having made several journeys there in his youth. They make a point to point it out in the show before it happens

[@NovaNocturneArt]

Umi could have received a new face after hers was stolen by Koh, the same way that Ursa received a new face: from the spirit known as the Mother of Faces (aka Koh's MOTHER). It would bridge the gap of Umi & the Painted Lady in your theory.

[@NovaNocturneArt]

@@chanakyaverpula3546 I invite you to reread that page readcomiconline.to/Comic/Nickelodeon-Avatar-The-Last-Airbender-The-Search/Part-3?id=48671#51 The Mother of Faces knows what her son does to others. Just because she doesn't know of the connection between Aang/Kuruk & Koh, doesn't mean she never would have met Umi. She doesn't have to encounter Koh to have encountered Umi. And we know that those without faces can live for quite some time, stuck between life & death, as evidenced by Rafa's experience. Even if Koh dragged Umi into the spirit realm and stole her face, he doesn't seem to destroy his victims. So, Umi would have been left wandering the spirit realm without a face, perhaps until she ran into the Mother of Faces. We also know she can give people entirely new identities. Being a spirit associated with water herself, perhaps the Mother Of Faces would have the ability to turn someone into a minor water spirit as well, aka the Painted Lady. We also know that the Mother of Faces is located IN the Fire Nation, which could explain why the Painted Lady, IF it was Umi granted a new identity, was also located in the Fire Nation: because Umi would have to have wandered the spirit realm until she reached the location parallel to the Fire Nation in order to meet the Mother of Faces.

[@NovaNocturneArt]

@@chanakyaverpula3546 Umi was forcibly pulled into the spirit realm by Koh. There was no need for her to be gifted spiritually, or even dead, to be there. I don't think you are comprehending the premise of my theory and how it ties into the topic of the video.

[@hannahjohnson6940]

Day 2 of asking Supercarlin Brothers to check out The Dragon Prince. I really hope they do!!

[@Blackcanvasart]

Oh yea! The dragon prince is amazing!

[@freddymeng]

They like it, so I assume theories are coming soon

[@comediccenter7233]

"Does something smell like Upstart?" "What's Upstart?" "It's the best sponsor"

[@KatoTheBlind]

Really glad you added this universe. You’re doing it justice

[@ShaunCKennedyAuthor]

I wish they would do a whole prequel about Kuruk. He sounds like an awesome guy. Or someone could do a whole slew of miniseries giving highlights in the lives of every Avatar. That would be awesome too

[@beanevesvlogs]

Loveeee it!! Great video!!!🤩 Btw are you guys going to make videos about marvel phase 4?like wandavision, loki, blackeidow??If I see some details I can't even imagine what you guys can find!you always surprise me, I think I know a lot and you never fail, I always end each video speechless thinking 'it's so clear now' But yeah, thank you so much for all your theories!!they make my days!!!

[@taylor_green_9]

Hey, SCB, maybe you'd like to watch She-Ra and the Princesses of Power. It's a little similar to Avatar in some ways, and a huge breakthrough in LGBTQ+ representation in kids' cartoon shows, which was spearheaded by Legend of Korra

[@shalomlevlederman5124]

plus Zuko and Catra basically have the same Arc (and they both have abuse of parents)

[@galacticpheonix5328]

I agree

[@galacticpheonix5328]

in the episode avatar day sokka calls himself boomerang guy but in the episode aang earth bends he calls himself the meat and sarcasim guy

[@Emma-12397]

Also, something he didn’t mention, Yui had the hair color of the white fish so the painted lady had the hair color of the black fish. Also the white fish symbolizes the day so the black fish it the darkness/night AND THE PAINTED LADY ONLY COMES OUT IN THE NIGHT! (Btw to clear it up a bit, Yui said the white fished saved her so she inherited some of its looks, and Ummi fell through the spirit lake with the fish so she inherited the black fish)

[@faolair3320]

You know you're in too deep if you immediately knew who Umi was xD

[@stkyriakoulisdr]

This theory also fits nicely in the greater narrative: The avatar is connected to his/her past lives, so it would make sense to them being attracted to certain characteristics in their other halves. The episode establishes that Katara and Ummi are much alike, which is consistent with this idea. And it's also kind of nice that the wife of an avatar was given gratitude by spirit of the wife of a past avatar.

[@marinapsaros3856]

These avatar vids have been so good! Always look forward to when you guys make these!

[@SuperCarlinBrothers]

thanks so much!

[@ATmothphere]

Good theory but why the Southern waterbending tribe girl, who died at Northern pole in another water tribe/spirit realm, became the spiritual guardian of small unknown FIRE nation village and stayed there for centuries? It's just too random, don't you think? Why not become the guardian of southern tribe, where she came from, or northern tribe, where she lived? It's not like they didn't believe in spirits, but very much opposite.

[@chanakyaverpula3546]

maybe something about her life is connected to that village

[@karesi9406]

Last time I was this early your intro was made for the ps2.

[@amn2760]

Aang: You know, you're very pretty for a spirit. I don't get to meet too many spirits, but the ones I do meet? Not very attractive Kyoshi, Yue and Kho the face stealer while watching them: *angry girls noises*

[@GhostOfNevermore]

J: Ummi, Me: Oh the character who got her face stolen. J: You probably don’t know Ummi, Me: You fool you have underestimated my power!

[@Carrollemma04]

I was surprised when I actually remembered her

[@mayabebbouche8210]

Me too. I was like I saw the avatar three years ago. How and more importantly why did I remember her. Like my brain though that THIS was important but not all the stuff I learn in school.

[@hiddenechoes]

I for one really enjoyed this theory. It felt nicely tied together and of it wasn't originally cannon it could easily become cannon. I'm loving the new addition of avatar content. Thanks J for bringing more of it to us.

[@norahnoble6747]

That is a really good theory but I think Lady Tienhai is the painted lady. She is a humanoid spirit who tends to an ocean. She wants to help people live near the ocean. The city where team avatar finds the Painted Lady is called Jang Hui. Lady Tienhai is from Mo Ce Sea. Mo Ce Sea and Jang Hui are close together. Also, Tienhai and the Painted Lady look very similar.

[@lizbaena2012]

I actually always wanted to know about the spider spirit and the avatar! Cool concept!

[@SunWarrior155]

Are you saying that Aang indirectly fused with Ummi when he fused with La in the Book 1 Finale? Side note/pet peeve: 推 tuī is pronounced "tway," not "too-ee" or "twee." Also: 推 tuī means "push" 拉 lā means "pull" in Mandarin.

[@riverstream9672]

OMG, I remember thinking that the girl's face that Koa stole was very similar to the painted lady's. I just dismissed the thought, but this video has brought back that memory!! Even better, they made an official theory out of it!

[@dijonmayo3348]

What if for the next J vs Ben you did an Avatar the Last Airbender quiz? Who else would love that!?!

[@Tru1Tani]

I love that you guys talk like we're just hanging out in your videos ❤❤

[@alyeska6005]

I really like the addition of avatar to the chanell

[@amandawolfe4994]

I didn't know I needed this I've watched the show since the beginning and yet I'm still finding things to be mind blown over

[@aspreedacore]

I was thinking of a way to incorporate the avatar series element bending mythos into our lives since we obviously can't bend the elements(at least naturally). I was thinking *water* could be ethics, *fire* willpower/drive, *Earth* stuff that keeps you sane, sound and grounded(pun not intended) and air could be carefree or free spirited. Let me know what you guys think, yay or nay, praise or flame me, expand my idea or not i'm all for it!!

[@danelljleyva]

All of this is amazing and I think it makes a lot of sense, the only thing I was not super happy about was how you kept calling Tui “tooey” like Louie instead of Twee lol but your videos are awesome and your theories are always super great

[@yourlocal_moth]

7:34 I... I actually knew who Ummi was... heh... my Avatar obsession is probably unhealthy

[@diamondfox8374]

Sameeee

[@beastwriter3915]

I have an idea. Is it possible that Zuko eventually learned how to bend lightning? I know he wasn't able to because he went through a lot of shame, so given his character's development, is it possible he already learned enough humility to do it? Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, they never really show this... On the flip side, is it possible to unlearn lightning bending? Like if, say, Azula experienced enough shame and humiliation, can she lose her lightning bending?

[@ThatOneLadyOverHere]

J: *specifies that she has black hair like La and proceeds to say she's Yue* Me: well, clearly she's whoever is the ocean spirit.

[@arturolara259]

Your avatar theory's are amazing please don't stop making these awesome theory's

[@thebrianna7387]

You guys should look into the theory that if the avatar cycle went as planned and Aang didn’t get frozen in ice for 100 year Yue would have been a avatar. And that’s why she needs the moon spirit to survive because she didn’t have the avatar spirit. I’m not great at expanding things so I diffidently recommend looking into it yourself

[@mcreamythebloodylegend6690]

I like that theory a lot thanks for introducing that to me

[@plipito2806]

It’s a fun theory, but not how reincarnation works. The soul of a person is reborn in a different body after death. There would be no second body before the first one dies.

[@emc246]

If Aang had died during the Air Nomad Massacre the new avatar would be born much earlier, during the 100 year time jump. By the time the main show started that Avatar probably would've also died, or they would at least be about 100 years old.

[@niliblox3105]

I was thinking about that theory just yesterday!

[@plipito2806]

@@talonus202 then that would be destiny saying the avatar would die, meaning yue would never be the avatar.

[@goosetoes98]

I'm so glad y'all are making avatar content now! always loved your channel and my love has only grown now ❤

[@shika15]

I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say it’s not just katara

[@SuperCarlinBrothers]

haha correct! I did finish the episode and get to the bottom of that one!

[@shika15]

@@SuperCarlinBrothers I can’t wait to hear the whole theory! 😄

[@virginiasantiagofox6461]

@@SuperCarlinBrothers I do like who you think it is 😉

[@aravpyati6344]

@@SuperCarlinBrothers you should do dragon prince theories

[@zeeshegross9710]

This video was absolutely fascinating. I never wondered about the identity of the painted lady up until now, but nonetheless, this video was very intriguing and definitely caught my interest. As always, you’ve convinced me.

[@discipleofsakura]

"Who was the Painted Lady?" A question I've *never* asked in multiple watching of the series. She's a river spirit who is prevented from manifesting due to the pollution. Doesn't need to be more complicated than that.

[@marcosdeharo9371]

Not only did enjoy the way this was brilliantly written and delivered, but this FINALLY gave me peace of mind to who she is. That episode was always one of my favorites, even tho it was a filler. This just made my day..and week...and current life cycle 😆

[@bipbeedippy3954]

I'm like Ben. I like Appa.

[@mcreamythebloodylegend6690]

Apps is awsome

[@michellepellman6395]

This is ben☺ Ben loves appa Be like ben

[@Discount_Jesus]

Things I want SCB to do videos on: Halo (game and book series), Attack on Titan, and SCP foundation

[@WarmLillie]

The Painted Lady was one my favorite avatar moments and characters.

[@jasmineemad5419]

I never thought of it before, but once he said the word " ummi" i just put the pieces together, and immediately thought this makes SO MUCH sense, like i didnt need to hear the explanation i was like YES!

[@jinx724]

Ok but why did I know exactly who Ummi was...

[@alexiswelsh5821]

Speaking of Yue, I was rewatching "The Puppet Master", and I noticed how the full moon was crossfaded over Katara. That got me thinking, did Yue give her extra power due to their relationship to/with Sokka? I mean, if you saw your boyfriend's sister being tortured, wouldn't you do whatever you can to help her? And then later, if your boyfriend was being controlled against his will to attack his loved ones, wouldn't you want to save him?

[@tigerbun-kd1pi]

Well Katara did say to Hama "you're not the only one who draws power to the moon" so there's a possibility that what you said might be true

[@mephostopheles3752]

Okay but this is actually so solid, the dates line up, the face lines up, the LORE lines up... Until Brian and Mike themselves confirm otherwise, this one is solved in my book.

[@fengguin9095]

Finally one of my questions of my childhood.

[@stutz9399]

At some point the FBI are gonna coming knocking on these guys doors for figuring out what is in area 51 just by binging harry potter

[@SpectacularTrevor]

i love how j does the avatar vids whale ben does the harry potter ones. Also please do the livestream trivia on KZbin again!

[@hamiltondavisdavis]

Who else got annoyed when he called this episode “filler”.

[@tia5827]

it is, it’s not a bad thing

[@hamiltondavisdavis]

So What is considered filler?

[@hamiltondavisdavis]

@@StarPichu12 It does add on to the story tho. The village is affected by the war sick ppl no medicine, Barely food and Pollution due to the war factory that Aang and Katara Destroyed. which is also in the fire nation. The same nation that believes their the Superior lol.

[@tia5827]

@@hamiltondavisdavis if you didnt watch that episode the series would still make sense

[@shalomlevlederman5124]

could you do a video on why only earthbenders have the ability to live longer than the other tribes(or a theory on how old Leo get really is)