I met a confederate reenactor. And asked him what the hardest part of the hobby was. And he replied “meeting neo confederates”.
@nigeh5326 Жыл бұрын
Same apparently with WW2 re-enactors who’s role is the German one. Plenty of Nazi fan boys around sadly who would rather wear the uniform of the SS LSAH than that of the British Royal Marines or the Parachute Regiment 😔
@Lonovavir Жыл бұрын
I've met Communists in Soviet reenacting and one neo-nazi in German reenacting. When they say crazy stuff they're not in character.
@nate742 Жыл бұрын
@@Lonovavir Did you report such ramblings to their Regimental Commissar?
@Lonovavir Жыл бұрын
@Nate : He was the Colonel. So, I contacted a Finnish reenactor with a white camouflage snowsuit.
@danielomar9712 Жыл бұрын
@@nate742Do not worry tovarisch , he was sent to the Penal Battalion
@Camo1177 Жыл бұрын
If you say ‘yes I consent’ but you didn’t have the option to say no, then you really didn’t consent.
@lady.m0rgue9 ай бұрын
This is such an important element of this and any conversations regarding subjected people. coercion is often an afterthought when talking about consent. It’s so harmful to hold people to the words they use when in danger of multiple outcomes. Sometimes saying yes is a compromise of self. A split second choice of a life of pain versus death is what so many people have to make. holding the victim accountable for this and not the perpetrator is a harmful cycle we are currently trying to break out of. Thank you for saying this!
@Helperbot-200015 күн бұрын
Ah yes, coconut island
@eccod Жыл бұрын
Those who justify slavery always envision themselves as the master. Would they willingly become a slave under the system they defend?
@Promislandzion Жыл бұрын
Lmao what? No one willingly becomes a slave your made one plus i’m not blck.
@LykosShadowmane Жыл бұрын
@@Promislandzion That sound is the point whizzing by you.
@KatRose-0w0 Жыл бұрын
Yes. I'd willingly do so. Sounds hot
@thatkingdomheartsguy9615 Жыл бұрын
@zion.3879 there's absolutely no way your not trolling
@intergalactictitanium3566 Жыл бұрын
@@KatRose-0w0🔥🔥🔥✍
@door-chan Жыл бұрын
"Unlike us, who are more civilized and intelligent, they are more prone to violence" "So that's why you beat them constantly?" "Yes"
@andyblanton6570 Жыл бұрын
I mean I get the thought process there. See 13:25
@trithos7308 Жыл бұрын
@@andyblanton6570 I don't, because I have morals.
@Awesomeisme7000 Жыл бұрын
They literally fucking ate people the moment they were freed and got control in places like Haiti.
@nanotech1921 Жыл бұрын
“These natives are savages, who dont know the basics of morality, they HAVE to be controlled” “Is that why you cut off their hands when they dont bring you enough gold?” “….yes”
@nathanial858711 ай бұрын
@trithos I don't as well, because I have morals too
@coffeemaiden7915 Жыл бұрын
Its weird to think about people getting mad because someone said that removing people’s freedom is a bad thing.
@BrandonF Жыл бұрын
REEEEEEEEE
@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын
“Slavery’s a bit cringe, my dude.” “THAT’S IT YANKEE, THIS MEANS WAR!”
@Stand_watie Жыл бұрын
Yeah genocide is a bit cringe to bad you yanks continued to do it en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_units_of_Indian_Territory
@Dap1ssmonk Жыл бұрын
Outside of people being edgy for the sake of being edgy, there are a lot of people who have no real accomplishments, either truly, or by their own perception, and if they can’t climb above others to fulfill their need to be superior, they’ll drag people below them instead. “Yeah sure I’m white trash and work a 9-5 at Walmart every weekday, but at least I’m not one of those (insert slur here)”
@gch8810 Жыл бұрын
@@warlordofbritannia Yes, because that is exactly why the South seceded and is a totally accurate understanding of the history of the U.S. prior to the Civil War.
@fastenbauer Жыл бұрын
The whole "But they were treated like family." argument really falls apart from the simple fact that they were still slaves. If you're family member was enslaved and you had the power to set them free you wouldn't hesitate to do so. Any person that kept an actual family member as a slave, we would consider the worst kind of person.
@robertjarman3703 Жыл бұрын
That actually isn´t as weird as it sounds, a lot of families who were destitute did sell their children into slavery, or themselves. Although that isn´t quite what you had in mind.
@billmelater6470 Жыл бұрын
@@robertjarman3703 Not to mention free blacks becoming "slave owners" themselves by buying members of their family. It's not a blanket cover for slavery naturally, but the topic isn't as "black and white" (pun not intended) as public school teaches.
@brucetucker4847 Жыл бұрын
And yet, many manumitted American slaves elected to remain slaves rather than leave their homes and families as the law required them to do if they became free. In some times and places, even a majority. Better the devil you know. Life is rarely as simple as we often like to imagine.
@ktheterkuceder6825 Жыл бұрын
Yeah family pets.
@flyingmonkeydeathsquadronc968 Жыл бұрын
If you don't have the power to free them under the law due to slaves being financial elements of the estate unable to be separated from the estate without fiscal compensation and you don't have the power to protest the law due to the threat of lynching for threatening the status quo, what are you left with if you want to show some level of humanity to your slaves.
@rat-dactedinfo4069 Жыл бұрын
What horrifies me is growing up i was taught in school the notion of "if you broke your tools they won't work so slaves were treated great!" And it dawned on me that they were comparing living humans to objects and encouraging us kids that its okay to see people as objects if we are "nice" to them
@blakestation2632 Жыл бұрын
Jesus, what school did you go to?!
@livingdeadgirl5691 Жыл бұрын
@@blakestation2632 I'm gonna guess; Florida?
@HappyBeezerStudios Жыл бұрын
While that argument is true, a free worker who gets paid well will do even better than a slave.
@user-gu9yq5sj7c Жыл бұрын
@@HappyBeezerStudios There's evidence of masters beating slaves, covering slaves in lots of scars, and killing them. So that is not taking care of slaves. Some masters want to physically abuse and threaten them to make slaves afraid to escape, try to prevent revolt, and to push them to overwork actually.
@mrjuicejunior Жыл бұрын
@@livingdeadgirl5691I live in Florida and I bet it's not, unless it's somewhere in Northwest FL. Imma bet it's Mississippi
@robotcow28 Жыл бұрын
As a black man i actually got into a debate about the civil war with a white guy who told me "look if you have a horse you take care of it. Same with slaves, they were well fed and had structure" i laughed in his face and asked him if he was seriously comparing my ancestors to live stock. He stammered and panicked out of the conversation. A few hours later i got called into my bosses office because i made my coworker feel "unsafe". I explained our little debate and what he said and they reprimanded him. A month later he got fired for calling a coworker a racial slur 😂 who couldve guessed he was a racist.
@connor3284 Жыл бұрын
Stories like this bewilder me because I can't understand why anyone would think it is a good idea to get into historical or political or philosophical debates with coworkers. I don't want to know or be friends or have any discussions with coworkers that aren't about the task at hand. I want to get my work done and get out with as little pain as possible.
@TsarButterfly Жыл бұрын
And then the whole office clapped
@hotdogwater9580 Жыл бұрын
@@TsarButterfly these situations are pretty common, the only way you havent seen this happen is if you live in a predominantly white area or very young
@LykosShadowmane Жыл бұрын
@@hotdogwater9580Hell even being white you'll sometimes get people who just say the most hateful shit about a minority because they think you'll automatically agree with them. Casual racism is still very much alive and I can absolutely see the story above happening.
@storm6661 Жыл бұрын
@@hotdogwater9580 Yeah, workplaces aren't great for minorities in my experience too
@SpiderPig34543 Жыл бұрын
In regards to the tool argument and the abuse of tools. I am a machinist by trade and there are many tools that you use that are expected to wear out and break down. All that you do is calculate how much this breakdown costs and bake that into the cost of the good. To apply that same logic to a person would be abhorrent.
@nvelsen1975 Жыл бұрын
"To apply that same logic to a person would be abhorrent." Lol, my man that sort of stuff is worryingly common. I had a labour union representative badger me about my 'disrespect' towards a boomer who ignored safety regulations. I came down hard on boomer and demanded he follow safety laws. He yelled "I'm from the era of carbon-paper! I will not be lectured by a 30 year old! I am going to call the union now!" and ran out of the building crying, not to return. The conversation with the labour union ended up being that a certain amount of injuries maiming and death was acceptable to them because otherwise boomer would have to actually do his job. I confronted the union thug and insisted, union went to the director and threatened him with strikes, so my contract was ended the next month. That year they had a guy set himself on fire (preventable), break both his legs (preventable) and crash a van (illegal overloading) and they had a major derailing (faulty work as a result of not following procedure). That company recently had a preventable fatal accident on the 4th of april, by the way.
@gundy74 Жыл бұрын
Pretty early on in the transatlantic slave trade, plantation owners figured out that it was more economically efficient to work sugar plantation slaves to death and import new ones than to work them less and permit them to live long lives. It wasn’t unlike a machinist using a tool knowing he’ll have to replace it before too long. Absolutely abhorrent.
@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын
@@gundy74 Specifically the sugar plantations of Caribbean. Oh, and if they weren’t worked to death they’d probably die of disease.
@kyleheins Жыл бұрын
@N Velsen are you arguing that it is not abhorrent, or pointing out something about his wording of the statement? It sounds weird that you phrased your reply as though it were something the OP forgot to consider.
@nvelsen1975 Жыл бұрын
@@kyleheins I'm pointing out that such attitudes are surprisingly and worryingly common. To me 'abhorrent' implies it's so weird nobody would or should do it, while it's everyday life. Which is a risk that we'll forget to stamp out such attitudes where we encounter them. Working conditions on US farms for migrants often resemble slavery. Barely being paid, which is then withheld for fictional 'costs of stay' and anyone who argues can be deported with just one phonecall. Over here it's no different, with the government struggling to even get migrant labourers decent housing. I've reported former clients because I encountered a guy on a matress on the ground, outside, underneath a lean-too next to a house with 7 others inside. That'll be € 200 a month please. Seems that after my visit, my ex-customer was mysteriously found out by the authorities and fined heavily. Hmm, curious how such unfortunate things happen to *rseholes. 😆
@fredericksmith7942 Жыл бұрын
I love how neo confederates think that it’s even possible to “treat a slave well.” If you’re enslaving somebody, that’s inherently abusive. You cannot treat a slave well because keeping a human being as property is already one of the worst things you can do to a person.
@Peter-jo6yu Жыл бұрын
THIS
@daveholland6293 Жыл бұрын
Or Hoteps defending AFrican slavery
@louiscypher4186 Жыл бұрын
@@daveholland6293 Afro-slave apologists are generally worse the neo-confederates. Because at least the confederates don't argue that slavery should be brought back. I unfortunately i have had the displeasure of having to pull security at a speaking event where a man who called himself a "professor of black history" sincerely argued that Slavery in Africa was not only a good thing, But that it is an injustice to deny "decedents of Africa" their natural right to own slaves today. One idiot speaking wouldn't have been so bad, but it was the 300 or so people supporting him which did my head in.
@HappyBeezerStudios Жыл бұрын
Slavery as system is bad. There is no denying that. But there were differences in how slaves were treated and what rights they had throughout history. A "house slave" was generally treated better than a "farm slave", but that obviously also differs from slaver to slaver. If I were forced to be a slave, but could choose time and place, I would probably pick an urban location in early imperial Rome in an aristocratic household. Because at that place I could not only have the option to be freed, but even to buy my own freedom or inherit from the owner. European-American slavery is pretty much the opposite and amongst the worst, only surpassed in inhumanity by WWII forced labor camps.
@Mayan_88694 Жыл бұрын
@@HappyBeezerStudios that doesn’t mean slavery isn’t atrocious, no matter if a system of slavery is “ less harsh “ than others, owning someone as property is inherently atrocious, despicable, inhumane and a violation of human rights.
@legion999 Жыл бұрын
No one who says slavery was "good" or "not too bad", would volunteer to be a slave.
@iamwonka Жыл бұрын
They would try to justify why they shouldn’t be one.
@juanandresrueda4957 Жыл бұрын
@@iamwonka This is actually what some philosophers from greece said on their time, aristotle argued that some people simple weren't able to rule themselves so it was the task of those who could, do it for them
@iamwonka Жыл бұрын
@@juanandresrueda4957 Yes, I am aware of that, but Aristotle was totally wrong on natural slavery.
@juanandresrueda4957 Жыл бұрын
@@iamwonka yeah, I just wanted to point out that people saying there are "reasons" for oppressive systems to exist (and then put themselves on the high places) is really old and can get to smart people
@Awesomeisme7000 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂People already do volunteer to be a slave, it's called working on a wage.😂😂😂
@Dixiedingo_LBB Жыл бұрын
Growing up a black kid in South Carolina, you couldn't get away from slave history. It's on display, constantly. So many monuments and memorials of dead and abused slaves. And i go online and I hear all these arguments about how slavery wasn't all that bad and you can't help but gape in awe. Like have they seen it all? The image of the slaves on the ship? The old houses they were kept in? The decrepid conditions? Have they heard the stories of the torture? Surely, no human would hear thay stuff and go, "ah, but it wasn't THAT bad."
@tadferd4340 Жыл бұрын
Even worse is that a lot of those statues and monuments were put up after the civil rights movement, to intimidate black people.
@KopperNeoman Жыл бұрын
@tadferd4340 The first American slaveowner was himself Black. (Capitalisation intentional, it was very progressive at the time) Most slaves were black (small b) because Africans were selling most of them. Simple supply issues.
@Dixiedingo_LBB Жыл бұрын
@@KopperNeoman Hey, this is an extremely normal and good reply to someone trying to sympathize with someone else's pain they've felt living through a white supremacist society. Thank you user KopperNeoman, very cool.
@freneticness6927 Жыл бұрын
It was a business. Everyones lives were horrible. I highly doubt you would have liked to be a midwesterner getting scalped by an indian either.
@zero95lucky Жыл бұрын
@@Dixiedingo_LBB Too bad youtube deleted the comment. Wait a minute. Was it actually a nice comment? Or were you being sarcastic? Just curious, forgive me if I pry.
@raging_n00b50 Жыл бұрын
The biggest evil of slavery I've observed was that it was hidden in plain site. Most slave owners weren't mustache twirling villians, they were average joes and conditions were not overtly brutal. They even made laws for how to treat slaves properly, creating another reason to claim "it's not so bad." That's what made slavery so insidiously evil. A rational person, with a bit of logical gymnastics/bullshittery could justifying it. "Look they are moderately happy, and sure every once in awhile we beat the shit out of a couple of them, but it's not that bad." They would shrug and move on, which is majorly fucked up. Slavery was horribly evil because it possible to ignore how evil it was. The justification. "Therein lies the rot of civilized society." Well said Brandon.
@adisappointedfbiagent449 Жыл бұрын
To people that were born and grew up in Confederate States you would not only be indoctrinated into these beliefs at a very young age but it became an everyday part of your life and culture. Despite how evil the nature of slavery is and other such ideologies and practices the amount of propaganda that went into it has, (and still does) change and question even the strongest of minds. The Confederates fell for the lie that was slavery, and paid a gruesome price for it.
@allengordon6929 Жыл бұрын
This is the true evil of humanity. Not the evil men, but the good men who think the cruelty is the point.
@huntclanhunt9697 Жыл бұрын
The only good slave owner, and I don't mean a good man despite also owning slaves, was Thomas Jefferson. He inherited them from his father, and was unable to free them without massive penalties from the state that would have ruined him, his children, and the slaves. So he set about making sure he helped them as best he could, paying them for their labor, paying for their education, and helping them even create their own businesses and letting them effectively rent their own land (since legally they weren't allowed to own land in Virginia). He remains the only good slave owner, bar none, and one of the greatest abolitionists in history
@allengordon6929 Жыл бұрын
@@huntclanhunt9697 IRL naofumi a.k.a "They're basically freemen but the law won't let them cuz fuq u that's why"
@aaronTGP_3756 Жыл бұрын
@@huntclanhunt9697Even Jefferson doesn't count. As big of a Jefferson fan I am, he was no abolitionist. If he was, he would have freed his slaves as soon as he got them, and consistently and actively oppose slavery in politics. So Jefferson, in reality, was just anti-slavery. Morally against, but not an active opposer.
@josephvarno5623 Жыл бұрын
It disturbs me that Brandon is getting push back about slavery being bad.
@orionspero560 Жыл бұрын
It would disturb me if it were not so infuriatingly common.
@arfyego0682 Жыл бұрын
@@orionspero560 That's what's so disturbing- it's so disturbingly common!
@orionspero560 Жыл бұрын
@@arfyego0682 Disturbing requires disruption of understanding. It is infuriating and horrible but it is just too ordinary ( in the sense of the stalin quote) to actually be disturbing .
@benjamintherogue2421 Жыл бұрын
I really don't think he is.
@teddycooke8145 Жыл бұрын
I dont think really anybody does ... the only thing I can think he is referring to is equating the discussion put forth by people challenging Lincoln/Union in the US civil war, with defending the institution of slavery
@Smellbringer Жыл бұрын
My best counter against these arguments for slavery is simple, "They are still people."
@PossessedPotatoBird Жыл бұрын
Hmm I think that’s too complex, your typical idiot racist wouldn’t understand basic English Something like “black is person” would probably get through their skulls easier
@chadthompson3003 Жыл бұрын
@@PossessedPotatoBirdthat's the thing they don't think that black folk are ppl, it makes it easier for them to justify slavery and all that bullshit
@Awesomeisme7000 Жыл бұрын
People originating from where and doing what? 😂😂😂😂
@Waashoe Жыл бұрын
@@Awesomeisme7000?
@milkwater1204 Жыл бұрын
@@Awesomeisme7000 nice bait, fisherman
@FoNgThOnG Жыл бұрын
I love the people that go "Well, this race and that race kept slaves too!" Like that makes slavery less bad lol
@RiseOfAnarchism Жыл бұрын
And even if this country or that country had slavery at any point in history it doesn't detract from the fact that chattle slavery, what the US had, was far more insidious than most other historical forms of slavery solely due to the fact that in it the slave was seen as on the level of or below that of an animal with absolutely no recourse to leave their condition. Hell even in the Barbary period, the period most of these racist dickheads point to because whites were enslaved, the slaves had a way to leave their condition.
@Darqshadow Жыл бұрын
Slavery is slavery. It's a bullshit system that is still, somehow, for some reason, not dead yet. Thanks China. (I know there's more but China has a very long list of minorities in work camps that needs to be addressed. Preferably with sanctions)
@NolanWins Жыл бұрын
For real, the reason we still talk about American Slavery is because it still effects people today
@eiavops4576 Жыл бұрын
@@NolanWins 💀
@alienalchemist Жыл бұрын
Neo Nazis justifying genocide: But this ethnicity killed this ethnicity too why cannot do that?
@ThePoeticPariah Жыл бұрын
"Slavery... is bad" Some people: "How fucking dare you"
@danielomar9712 Жыл бұрын
BUT MUH AFRICA SLAVERY WARLORD SLAVES WHATABOUT
@theforcedmeme Жыл бұрын
Slavery is a potent reminder that your rights exist at the absolute ability to defend them.
@johnramos8703 Жыл бұрын
I think you are going too far, some slavers were nice to the property they owned and control
@nikolozgilles Жыл бұрын
bruh
@theforcedmeme Жыл бұрын
slavery is bullsh*t. imagine spending the resources to maintain the most inefficient form of labor
@leslie62 Жыл бұрын
Let's not forget that many of the "good masters" would send their disobedient slaves to "slave breakers" who would break their wills for them in horrific fashion. See Frederick Douglass's account of such.
@julietfischer5056 Жыл бұрын
Or sell them 'down the river' to Deep South plantations where the heat and brutal conditions killed them.
@leslie62 Жыл бұрын
@@julietfischer5056 I read a good book about just that (amount other aspects of the slave marketplace) called Soul By Soul, really great book, definitely recommend
@darkshadowrule2952 Жыл бұрын
Honestly I only learned about that last year, as an adult, and it's absolutely horrific that they didn't tell us about it in school
@leslie62 Жыл бұрын
@@darkshadowrule2952 Yeah a lot of the details definitely get swept under the rug, unfortunately.
@88porpoise Жыл бұрын
Yep, plenty of slavers were nice and friendly to those who obeyed them. You see the same trend throughout history. Even in the most racist areas into he deep south, they always recognized the "good blacks" who stayed in the place in society the white supremacists allocated to them.
@smithhickenlooper5477 Жыл бұрын
I never got the whole “you wouldn’t beat up your tools” argument. As a mechanic I beat the HELL out of my tools. The amount of times I’ve thrown an impact wrench or spiked a ratchet is innumerable
@SilverAceOfSpades11 ай бұрын
I joke about murdering my Nintendo Switch joycons for not working. Also, people aren't tools, which is the worst part of the "you wouldn't beat your tools" argument.
@benjaminparent41157 ай бұрын
It's is almost as these people never worked a day in their a life, or more probably they never payed attention to the real world. I mean yeah sure a contractor that own their tool might not beat up their own tool, and then again you prove this life of thinking is wrong. But I can assure you that a minimum wage worker do not give a damn about scratching a forklift, or ruining the batterie by not following proper procedure. It is not their tool and they aren't payed enought to care anyway.
@user-qt8ko4gm2k14 күн бұрын
All my homies hate impact wrenches 🤜🔧
@420Kleiner9 күн бұрын
I think it's very funny that you're argument is kinda "yes actually I *would* beat my slaves*
@raulthetorchic73243 күн бұрын
As a gamer, I've broken several innocent controllers over my own incompetence.
@thehobowizard Жыл бұрын
Praising the slave masters for "treating their slaves well" just proves you still don't view the slaves as people.
@Chimera6297 Жыл бұрын
my favorite argument is "the civil war was about state's rights!" because it's true. It was about state's rights... to own slaves
@MrRAGE-md5rj Жыл бұрын
Keep paying those taxes. See who the slave is now.
@BillytheCorgi Жыл бұрын
@@MrRAGE-md5rjyou're delusional if you think the Confederacy wouldn't have issued taxes, because it did. It was about the right to own slaves. Simple as.
@Im-BAD-at-satire Жыл бұрын
@@MrRAGE-md5rj The only slave in modern society is people in the prison population, slave labor is legal in these instances. It shouldn't really, and an incredibly high number of taxes is put into the prison revenue because the government incentives state prisons to make the prisons as profitable as possible through ethically horrendous means. But that's how it is in the current structure. Not every state is like South Carolina with their implementation of reparative justice and their 23% recidivism rate. But hey, slave labor and other inhumane prison tactics in most of the US pays hefty profits through tax dollars and a myriad of other means.
@phoenixpipins2034 Жыл бұрын
@@MrRAGE-md5rj ah yes paying taxes the less preferable alternative to being whipped and forced to work hard in fields your whole life
@darrowgreen6367 Жыл бұрын
"States' right to do what?"
@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын
“Slavery was good for the slaves and they were treated well?” “Ew, no. That’s crazy even for you!” “That’s true, I’m a cartoon character-not an idiot.”
@gaslightstudiosrebooted3432 Жыл бұрын
It's fairly depressing to see people willing to sacrifice their human decency to defend a heinous institution which is clearly immoral.
@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын
@@gaslightstudiosrebooted3432 Tbf, the reasons why people spout the Lost Cause is a different problem than the Lost Cause itself. It makes more sense to at least give those people a chance to learn accurate history than to dismiss them as lacking in human decency.
@coh2conscript851 Жыл бұрын
@@warlordofbritannia half of the time people will just deny it or won't care despite the evidence.
@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын
@@coh2conscript851 That’s why I mention *a* chance, not multiple ones 😂
@henrikhans467 Жыл бұрын
"Do it again Uncle Billy!" I do love the coverage of the American Civil War by Atun-Shei. Some people coddle the neo-confederates while others want to drag them into the 21st century.
@AnthonyBlamthony Жыл бұрын
For the empty headed confederate sympathizers and apologists going “but that form of slavery was more brutal” that’s the same thing as saying “This guy doesn’t hit his girlfriend *NEARLY* as much as that guy.”
@NatorGreen7000 Жыл бұрын
And what about the empty headed northern fan boys whose ancestors funded slavery? The south wasn't making cotton for the south.
@adrianainespena5654 Жыл бұрын
Then other forms of slavery were less. In the Spanish Empire, for example, any black man or woman was supposed to be free, unless you could prove it was a slave, and the authorities looked upon slaves achieving freedom with approval. Freed slaves joined the general population and intermarried.
@thunderspark1536 Жыл бұрын
@@adrianainespena5654 That sound is the point flying so far over your head it went into fucking space.
@adrianainespena5654 Жыл бұрын
@@thunderspark1536 The point is that if you say that slavery was worse in other places, then you must admit that it was better in another ones.
@thunderspark1536 Жыл бұрын
@@adrianainespena5654 Let me make it crystal clear to you: ENSLAVING PEOPLE IS BAD. Obviously some people had it better and some worse. BUT, they were still slaves. While I know you aren't making the claim that "this place had it worse so it excuses this other place", people DO use that argument. The poster was calling attention to how stupid such an idea is.
@RacismIsMentalillness Жыл бұрын
“If you stick a knife in my back nine inches and pull it out six inches, there's no progress. If you pull it all the way out that's not progress. Progress is healing the wound that the blow made. And they haven't even pulled the knife out much less heal the wound. They won't even admit the knife is there.” -Malcolm X
@titansmirage Жыл бұрын
As a Confederate reenactor, I want to say I really appreciate you covering this subject. As reenactors it's our (unpaid) job to tell the truth of our history, warts and all. I even butt heads with my own comrades that still lean on remnants of the Lost Cause teachings. Keep at it! I always look forward to your videos
@prussia1557 Жыл бұрын
That's the reason I haven't gotten into re-enacting.
@teddycooke8145 Жыл бұрын
I mean its been like 160 years with the same opinion being mostly prevelant in the south.. it hasn't changed because some people started calling "The Lost Cause teaching"
@drivanradosivic1357 Жыл бұрын
boy, does Rageaholic have some words for the Civil War and Ol' Abe. not a Lost cause sort of thing, but a "this is what you did not know about that period" sort of thing.
@brettb.3328 Жыл бұрын
@@drivanradosivic1357 His talking points are the same old lost cause arguments that have been made and debunked for the better part of a century, just repackaged for a modern audience, and no, him falsely saying, “Ooh tHe lOst CaUse Is A sTrAw MaN AugUmEnt!” Does not excuse him as a lost causer…
@drivanradosivic1357 Жыл бұрын
@@brettb.3328 . . . . did we watch the same Razorfist video???
@panqueque445 Жыл бұрын
If your immediate response to "Is slavery bad?" isn't "Yes", you're wrong. Simply wrong.
@osheridan Жыл бұрын
I'm truly tired of the "Europe abolished it so it wasn't really evil!" Or "there were worse things" argument. Slavery was horrible, no buts
@panqueque445 Жыл бұрын
@@osheridan "There were worse things" is such a brain dead argument for literally anything. Hey, you shouldn't complain you got robbed, there are worse things.
@flyingmonkeydeathsquadronc968 Жыл бұрын
The problem is this way of thinking is very, very new within the history of the human race and it's still not universal (note global elitist sex trafficking, the middle east, and parts of Africa that still engage in the slave trade). Hell the idea that a free society require that those right fundamental to free individual must be protected, that basic principle on which the United State was founded on is still very much so foreign to most nations and collage campuses.
@moth5799 Жыл бұрын
@@flyingmonkeydeathsquadronc968 It's not a new way of thinking. Greeks, Romans, Persians and the Chinese all had ideas of personal liberty. They weren't always enshrined in government (they were in Rome though, look up the twelve tables) but they were still popular ideas. It's true that the US was founded on the Graeco-Roman tradition of freedom and liberty. Sadly people from both parties (including every president in the last 20 years) have been trying to change that narrative and implement Jewish law instead.
@yeslol9303 Жыл бұрын
@@moth5799ok and we’re getting anti semitic now
@abullmoose4854 Жыл бұрын
My favorite story is of a deeply in debt Ulysses Grant who was given a slave by his father in law on his wedding. Grant who by selling the slave could have made life changing money instead chose to free the man and help him start a business going deeper in debt. Truly a man
@michellejames2447 Жыл бұрын
This is why when I hear the argument that we can't judge people from the past by modern standards I get so annoyed. There were obviously people back then who knew slavery was bad and chose to have nothing to do with it or to fight it, even at great personal cost. Slavery was outlawed in most of Europe before the African slave trade even started. People knew it was bad from the start.
@rutherfordgamingofficial Жыл бұрын
Ulysses Grant was such an awesome guy. He's easily one of my favorite presidents and historical figures.
@angryhistoryguy5657 Жыл бұрын
@@joepetto9488Sounds like bluster to me. He wouldn't need to house the guy if he'd sold him or rented him out.
@rutherfordgamingofficial Жыл бұрын
@@joepetto9488 Do you have a source on that? It's also possible that he just said that to avoid angering the south.
@rutherfordgamingofficial Жыл бұрын
@@joepetto9488 That "I never was an abolitionist" quote was from 1863 when he was more neutral on the issue. That very same essay you mentioned claims that his views changed during the civil war and he became very adamantly against slavery. Edit: The name of the essay is "I Never Was an Abolitionist" by Nicholas W. Sacco.
@Rrextrex Жыл бұрын
Hearing all these excuses is like a throwback to my US history class in 8th grade lmao, Texas public education really did a number on a lot of us 💀
@blizyon30fps86 Жыл бұрын
Exactly, one thing you have to understand is, neo confederates are speaking out their own mouth, they’re speaking about what they will do if they owned slaves, they’re projecting. They’re not talking about what actually happened in slavery
@NatorGreen7000 Жыл бұрын
@blizyon30fps86 If there are neo confederates there must also be neo unionists who go out of there way to offend people by making the north out to be nothing but the good guys and calling the south as good as nazis.
@SuperHGB Жыл бұрын
Ah Texas, land of inverse Massachusetts
@SpoopySquid Жыл бұрын
The people who pull out the "just a product of their time" argument infuriate me because it deliberately ignores the many, many resistance movements that existed at that time working towards combating slavery. Also you know who really knew how bad slavery was back then? The slaves
@anon9469 Жыл бұрын
The idea that "slavery is bad" - at the total level, as in the entire institution is fundamentally evil - has existed since the 4th century in Europe. (Am unsure of how long it's been around in other regions, since I haven't really looked into them.) So that's *thirteen hundred years* of anti-slavery agitation. Also, by the time the Confederacy rose up, most of Europe had gone and abolished slavery. So at that point the rest of the world were acknowledging and getting on board with it.
@greyfells2829 Жыл бұрын
Product of their environment is a better way to say it. Don't get me wrong, Sherman's March to the sea was awesome and the south had it coming, but societies don't change in one go. I can forgive southerners for being backwards barbarians by nature of their environment and culture, it's the people in the modern day espousing their ideology that are the problem.
@nikkialkema1032 Жыл бұрын
@@greyfells2829 That's an explainotion no an excuse, but I do think that how the environment someone grew up in is important to consider when talking about the morals of historical people.
@ericdpeerik3928 Жыл бұрын
They were products in such time, but our ancestors knew it was cruel. It was however very profitable and still today many corporations keep this energy abroad, mostly in Asia and Africa. Maybe they're restricted from slavery, but they sure like to make people's life impossible. Take examples like Shell in Nigeria, Halliburton in Indonesia, or Firestone in Liberia. Corporations are seldomly held responsible for their poor conduct abroad.
@666Kaca Жыл бұрын
Which resistance movements? You realize that slavery has existed since 3000bc, maybe earlier, right? Americans think they are the center of the world and the only country that had slavery. When slavery was practiced your country didnt even exist.
@UndeadBrett Жыл бұрын
_"A man cannot make love to property"_ - Daario Naharis' thoughts on Thomas Jefferson
@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын
Ok, but if the property is the half-sister of your dead wife? Does that make it better or worse? 😂
@sasi5841 Жыл бұрын
Sex dolls? Sex toys?
@gusjeazer Жыл бұрын
@@warlordofbritanniadepends to whom. For a southerner that's a plus
@carlycrays2831 Жыл бұрын
@@warlordofbritannia Not only that, but according to most reports, she looked almost exactly like his dead wife.
@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын
@@carlycrays2831 Ugh, don’t remind me.
@evanbarth7173 Жыл бұрын
Imagine almost about 200 years later and some people still are debating whether or not slavery was bad…🤦♂️
@ChrisAastrup Жыл бұрын
That is truly baffling, especially since slave sociteties are/were usually much poorer.
@mr.ocelotguy899523 күн бұрын
worst part is that slavery remains in practice in many parts of the world
@wesleysor82164 күн бұрын
In some different ways
@witchy90210 Жыл бұрын
The people who say: "Why would they treat the slaves bad if they had value to them?" Are the same people who say: "Why would employer treat their employees poorly if we do the work for them? If we just work hard and take the abuse we will be treated better! It is how things have always have been and always will be!"
@tamlandipper29 Жыл бұрын
I've not lived under slavery, but I did live for a time under apartheid, which isn't the same but the same people would enjoy it. My words fail me to describe how sordid, silly and brutal it was. Even if, which I do not for a moment believe, the victims could be induced to enjoy their position it would still corrupt the 'masters' with its total moral vacuum.
@marianotorrespico2975 Жыл бұрын
GLAD YOU SURVIVED. | Maybe you know or maybe you do not know, but, the Murican fascist plaster idol, St.-Jesus Reagan, as U.S. president, worked very hard to keep the Afrikaner Apartheid government as an anti-Communist ally of the U.S., and continually sugar-coated their slave state as "not so bad".
@MrTommygunz0482 Жыл бұрын
I was just speaking to someone today and I said that if anyone understands what it's truly like to be Black in America, it's South Africans, what your people went through was every racist white man's wet dream and I'm happy I was alive to see it fall. But we all got alot of work left to do.
@terrified057t4 Жыл бұрын
Mhm, I had a gym teacher in highschool who was a South African Jew. Need I say more? Any time the fools did something stupid, he'd sit them down and recount how downright terrible Apartheid was...
@marianotorrespico2975 Жыл бұрын
@@terrified057t4 -- YES. | Christers are like that; their ownership of the world is "a given".
@alericjohansen6775 Жыл бұрын
You likely are living in a slavery time still, and some even realize it. The 13th amendment says that slavery can still exist, you just have to make sure that those you put in slavery are convicted of a crime. Funny enough, after that amendment passed, we got a LOT of laws that disproportionately affected blacks. And nowadays it's STILL legally allowed to use forced prisoner labor. Many states use prisoners to farm, fight fires, and do other things. Yeah.... Slavery still exists to this day in the US
@KarlPHorse Жыл бұрын
"The stupidest argument about slavery." Is there really anything you can say in favor of enslaving thinking, feeling, human beings that isn't a load of horse shit?
@anomonyous Жыл бұрын
I guess in situations where you are attacked by a greater force and need to use POWs as labour to survive? That whole situation would be horrible either way. I don't know, the US government seems fine with it when it comes to inmate labour, perhaps they have an explanation that would suit you.
@TheOnlyKingBee Жыл бұрын
@@anomonyous it's still a load of horseshit
@iplaygames8090 Жыл бұрын
Vea Victis
@ignasimontserrat Жыл бұрын
If everything about it was bad, nobody would have ever done it. The benefits for the enslaver are obvious.
@petriew2018 Жыл бұрын
@@anomonyous POWs and inmates still have legal protections and there's limits on what the government can and can't use them for. And if those limits are exceeded, the POW/inmate can get compensation from the government. None of this applies to a slave, who is literally property, not a human. making this arguing pretty idiotic, when you spend the slightest amount of time actually thinking about it. Because to make it one has to have no understanding of what slavery truly is.
@Austin.Kilgore Жыл бұрын
The “white people freed the slaves” argument always drives me up a wall lol
@alphaundpinsel2431 Жыл бұрын
they did
@nyastalgiakitten Жыл бұрын
@@alphaundpinsel2431and do they deserve any credit for that? No, you don't get to enslave people and then be celebrated for undoing your atrocities
@imrengarotp3802 Жыл бұрын
@@nyastalgiakitten What if we take into account that about 80% of slave owners in America were jewish while nonjewish, even antijewish people stopped slavery? Also while you dont deserve credit for doing something bad and then stopping it its still something special that we managed to get rid of slavery in all white countries while the other races will most likely still need hundreds of years to understand that slavery is bad.
@radicalprogamingdotgov Жыл бұрын
@imrengarotp3802 I am in total awe of this comment, I don't even know what to say. how did you turn this stupid argument about slavery into an even stupider argument supporting antisemitism. wtf edit: somehow I didn't even notice the blatant racism, also did you even watch the video?
@dabluepittoo-aqua4213 Жыл бұрын
Like congrats buddy, you fixed the problem YOU caused. Want a cookie for it?
@Mr_Chunk4 күн бұрын
I love that most of the negative comments are just people saying “Shut up lil bro”. Like they cannot fathom an actual argument or reason to justify their viewpoint.
@Deleted_Alt Жыл бұрын
I actually would like that insurance video. I never even considered there ever being such a thing as slave insurance.
@BrandonF Жыл бұрын
I already have an article saved to read through to start the research!
@alexhuynh1066 Жыл бұрын
I would love to read that article
@GermanConquistador08 Жыл бұрын
Proof that the Insurance Industry has always been at least somewhat Evil.
@BrandonF Жыл бұрын
www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-economic-history/article/abs/insuring-the-transatlantic-slave-trade/F1E2354A667CF7A4DB989838F37B2DC2 Sadly it has a paywall
@robertjarman3703 Жыл бұрын
Also, it would have been possible for literal corporations to own slaves, and in principle, you could also use stock shares to own them as well (EG if you have 100 shares, then for every share you own you get to have that % of the profit generated by that slave and you would spend that % of the value of the slave to buy a share). You could also gamble with them as the betting pieces, loan them to someone else, rent them or hire them out to someone else, and quite a lot of other things. Slavery is a very strange thing to wrestle with in our history, and how it changed over time and place, like how in Rome, Greek slaves were often educated, literate, and were often teachers, accountants, or scribes, where those convicted of crimes might be sold to a mine, other persons might be oar rowers in triremes, POWs would usually be sold as slaves, Spartacus was a Thracian slave (that little bit of European area in Turkey), and so on.
@Aceman52 Жыл бұрын
What strikes me as hilarious is that the arguments that these neo confederates make is that the words of the slave owners of this time disprove them.
@cadekachelmeier7251 Жыл бұрын
People making pro-slavery arguments won't let pesky things like primary sources get in their way.
@KolMan2000 Жыл бұрын
Back in school I was literally required to take a photo taken of a group of slaves and write a story that may have happened based on the photo. We were expected to write something positive. I was literally taught as a child the believe that the group in the photo was in some way or another happy with their lives.
@fishboy36126 сағат бұрын
Master only beat one of us today. (:
@nanotech1921 Жыл бұрын
The moment you start to feel like an absolute loser Just remember there are real people out there who defend slavery and attack those who slander it
@The_undead115 күн бұрын
Imagine being loyal to a country that didnt last longer than my phone😂
@danolantern603014 күн бұрын
It’s not ‘slander’ if it’s correct
@Crashsmarty10 күн бұрын
@@danolantern6030???
@monkeybirthdaycake06278 күн бұрын
@danolantern6030 Alright ,bedtime little guy
@Nikolapoleon Жыл бұрын
I once saw a video of a docent at Whitney Plantation addressing the question of "Weren't slaves treated well?" that was simple, eloquent, and at least for me eye opening. He said something to the effect of: "You wouldn't justify a kidnapping by asking if the victim was treated well by their captor, would you?" In hindsight, this may be the most important argument one can make about slavery, because it reminds us that, whatever the conditions, slavery is still slavery, and the simple act of having one's own freedom taken away is itself an act of torture, and if we try to imagine what it would be like to have no control whatsoever over our own lives, [where we can go, what we can do, how we raise our children, etc.] altogether regardless of our material comforts, we can see why slavery is, by the very nature of being slavery, totally intolerable, irreconcilably evil, and inherently conducive to disobedience and rebellion.
@Folkmjolk Жыл бұрын
The whites in the south didn't do the kidnapping though. They bought them from merchants who in turn bought them from some African guy who is probably the guy that got them from the slavers. When you are not the one enslaving people it's a lot easier to justify morally. The slaves were already slaves when I bought them, they would be slaves even if i didn't pay for them. Also the alternative to us whites buying these slaves is them getting their cocks and balls cut off when they are sold to the Arabs. Many nations in Europe had serfdom and at the time of slavery there were absolute monarchs. The modern view that all people deserving freedom was not universal. Slavery is just a private citizen having a small piece of land where he can practice absolute despotism over people he purchased. The modern view of slavery being one of the worst things out there is because of the freedoms afforded to the citizens. When the average subject had a monarch and nobles above him he would see slavery as just a step down in the amount of freedom a person had. We have a population that gets mad about the covid lockdowns, of course slavery is going to be seen as the most heinous thing possible.
@notNajimi Жыл бұрын
Well said. The devil is not just in the details but in the whole of it, as even “well treated” enslaved people are still enslaved and denied agency
@gurigura4457 Жыл бұрын
To play Advocate, it is important (if someone wants to actually understand the situation) to know that slavery was not as cruel as is often presented in the media/film etc. That many slave owners treated their slaves "well" - i.e. generally without overtly cruel treatment. That doesn't mean that slavery as an institution is any less evil; it gave owners the right to seperate & sell family members, gave a slave's descendents in perpetuity to the owner, as well as the enslavement itself. But it is important to know how slaves were actually treated, if nothing else so you can understand why slave owners could justify slavery to themselves. "I treat my slaves with respect" (respect like a dog, but better than beatings) and other justifications. Slaves could be kept in line with the carrot as well as the stick.
@brucetucker4847 Жыл бұрын
To me it looks like confusing two different arguments. Brandon seems unable to decide whether he's arguing that slaves in the US never had better working and living conditions than some nominally free people (which they did) or that an improvement in working and living conditions could ever slavery morally acceptable (which it can't).
@brucetucker4847 Жыл бұрын
@@gurigura4457 Beating, but also starving to death and/or turning people off their land to be beggars, which are things Brandon never likes to admit the colonial British he's so fond of were often very willing to do either deliberately or through gross neglect to the subjects they conquered and even to their own people. Slaves in the US were often treated better than Irish people in British-ruled Ireland. Certainly the mortality rate for the latter was orders of magnitude greater in the mid-19th century. That's less because slaveowners were nice people than because slaves were expensive while Irish tenants were easily replaceable for little or no cost. Which shows that his argument that economic factors never led to better conditions for slaves is, in fact, the stupid one.
@Patryk128pl Жыл бұрын
That explains why awful american corporations call their workforce a “family".
@michalsoukup1021 Жыл бұрын
Japanese companies do it too, but I think in their case it is somewhat more honest, because of how Japan society works
@doctormantistoboggan2339 Жыл бұрын
It's so they appear more human and relatable in hopes you forget they're a soulless, faceless corporation
@Freedmoon44 Жыл бұрын
@@michalsoukup1021 i mean Japanese work culture essentially means you may spend more time working than with familly, so calling their workforce "familly" isnt totally wrong as they are arguably more present in your life than the real familly
@michalsoukup1021 Жыл бұрын
@@Freedmoon44 and also the japanese companies actually care for thier employers a lot more than the us one. They are NOT ideal, but they are a lot better
@takebacktheholyland9306 Жыл бұрын
@@michalsoukup1021 *proceeds to work you to death* Although having no first hand experience on either, I'd rather choose the american ones than the japanese... Many demographic issues faced by the japanese stem directly from their work ethic and none of their companies are doing anything about it. Most especially "Karoshi" That's arguably the most messed up part of it all. It means, "death by overwork" which might seem little, but for it to become a term meant that it's become a phenomenon...
@The-Chair5166 күн бұрын
One time, when I was at Gettysburg, I was touring the battlefield. I was also wearing a Union infantry hat (picked it up at a local store). Then, as I was just walking, I passed a woman who complimented me on my hat. I said “Thanks” Then, she said “Wrong color, though” I just kept walking. I would have said something, but I didn’t want to cause a scene, and just wanted to enjoy seeing the battlefield.
@BrandonF6 күн бұрын
"Haha, nah" is usually a good reply I find. Casual dismissal to indicate your different worldview, but also not making yourself out to be the "evil other" that their media etc. might try to make you out to be. But getting into an argument/having a heated convo is really just going to feed their fire, I think.
@The-Chair5166 күн бұрын
@@BrandonF Yeah. I was there with my parents at the time (I was much younger), and we were there for my birthday. Plus, my stomach was a bit off that day. But if I ever get into a situation like that again, I would definitely say something like that before walking off
@The-Chair5166 күн бұрын
@@BrandonF Also, great vid
@BrandonF6 күн бұрын
@@The-Chair516 Thanks!
@nightcoreeclub12 сағат бұрын
a quick, “I disagree!” is a good response. simple.
@captaincruise8796 Жыл бұрын
It’s difficult to understand how calling slavery wrong could be controversial.
@Matt-dn5jc Жыл бұрын
I was not aware that slavery apologia was still popular.
@jacobcrowder2600 Жыл бұрын
@Matt-dn5jc this comment section is so eye opening. Person A: "I'm not defending slavery guys, I promise" Person B: "So you agree, slavery was and IS evil, right? Say that slavery is bad." Person A: "You can't tell me what I believe! Not all slaves were treated badly and honestly it could have been worse for them anyway! don't take away my state's rights!!!!!!"
@PaintTheWorld911 Жыл бұрын
It’s worse than that, some people were just saying that they want that stuff back full stop.
@adamprice3466 Жыл бұрын
For the vast majority of human history you would be in trouble for saying that. It's only very recently that slavery has been regarding as an unforgivable sin. We live in a time where it's incredibly easy and risk free to promote anti-slavery idelogy.
@PaintTheWorld911 Жыл бұрын
@@adamprice3466 good?
@InquisitorThomas Жыл бұрын
Me: Mom can we have Atun-Shei Mom: We have Atun-Shei at home. Atun-Shei at home:
@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын
Meanwhile Atun-Shei at grandma’s house: *Shelby Foote*
@Captainkebbles1392 Жыл бұрын
@@warlordofbritannia I'm dead💀😭😂
@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын
@@Captainkebbles1392 Not as dead as the Confederacy though
@CaptainFritz28 Жыл бұрын
@@warlordofbritannia “Not as dead as the Confederacy though” As a Texan, (and thus I must be a confederacy sympathizer): That’s a great reply.
@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын
@@CaptainFritz28 Whenever Texas is in the news claiming to be considering secession, I have to keep myself from yelling “Do it again, Uncle Billy!”
@KrasMazovHatesYourGuts Жыл бұрын
Slavery's insidiousness was so pervasive that it corrupted every level of Southern society. My ancestors were middle class at best...and yet they owned a slave. They also had a side business of renting that slave out to other families.
@younggod5230 Жыл бұрын
What I think is funny, apologists will argue "not even that many people owned slaves so the south wasn't that bad" somehow, but when it comes to the war, they'll say "they were just protecting their way of life", thus fully admitting it absolutely was common.
@Zarastro54 Жыл бұрын
@@younggod5230 They use the technical fact that not “everyone” owned slaves (ignoring how many people rented and benefited from slaves) to pretend it “was not a big deal.” It’s the cognitive dissonance of not being able to define what “ways of life” were actually under threat and trying to ignore that slavery WAS that way of life.
@Sammysapphira Жыл бұрын
Every culture in the history of the world has owned slaves up until the Americans and the British started to abolish it.
@Sammysapphira Жыл бұрын
@@Zarastro54 To blame the general populous that did not own slaves for.. rich people owning slaves -- is like blaming the modern day populous for corporations recklessly polluting the environment. Your blame is utterly and entirely misguided.
@Sammysapphira Жыл бұрын
@@younggod5230 It's actually incredible how you fail to miss the point of the matter. The point is somebody born and raised in a state will likely fight for it. They weren't fighting for slavery; they were fighting for their state. The common foot soldier is not an enemy or an evil person, there is a reason plenty of war veterans of formerly enemy nations can still get along. They all know they were put out there practically against their will. Absolutely abhorrent that you would imply that a war veteran is in any way responsible for the misdeeds of people that own 100000x more money than they do. Think about how moronic your argument sounds and would literally apply to every single veteran in existence; even modern day American vets.
@randomcanadianguy9740 Жыл бұрын
When does people will understand that a slave/master relationship should remain kinks in the bedroom and not in real life :/
@teeth227 Жыл бұрын
best comment
@JeremyPorcelain Жыл бұрын
yessir
@P3ndejosG4ng Жыл бұрын
Real.
@MemeAnt Жыл бұрын
Maximum based
@thecheck968 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this video. Almost a decade later and I still remember clear as day, my classmate telling me slavery wasn't that bad because most slave owners were actually pretty nice to their slaves. I was in so much disbelief to even respond and this video makes me feel sane again. Also the fact that a number of slave owners legally owned and enslaved their own children (conceived via rape) is absolutely vial and I don't know how anyone cannot denounce a system that protects something so reprehensible
@martrex2 Жыл бұрын
The fact that some people would even slightly entertain the idea that slave labor is justifiable tells me that we're entering a new dark age.
@greyfells2829 Жыл бұрын
It's always been this way, it's just social media making it seem like people are getting worse. Spend some time in the comments section of news from India or Africa and you'll see that it's even worse outside the confines of western culture. Humans are scum by nature. It takes a great deal of effort and social conditioning to elevate humans from base nature, and as we see, even in the west many people choose to willingly ignore these lessons.
@julietfischer5056 Жыл бұрын
Or they don't understand what it means.
@MayorofHopeville Жыл бұрын
They've been around, it's not new. Reconstruction didn't go far enough
@scheikundeiscool4086 Жыл бұрын
Sadly it;s a fact of life that we humans are just victims to the social dynamics. And that by our nature of sentiance are aware of those dynamics. Ensuring that we feel the need to rationilise those dynamics. Leading to the sad state of afairs that ppl feel the need to make up a rationalisation for inrational social dynamics.
@surprisedchar2458 Жыл бұрын
Anybody gonna tell him that slavery is still rampant across the world? Point being that a lot of people will do this. And if slavery is the measure of a dark age, we have yet to ever leave one.
@rotwang2000 Жыл бұрын
I read an account of a man who inherited some land and slaves. He wasn't fond of slavery, but he wasn't an abolitionist either but he tried to give his slaves decent conditions. He found out that the more he tried to accommodate them, the more rebellious they became, to the point, that he relented and hired people to "manage them" They were very brutal in restoring order and after a few years he grew tired of the whole business and sold everything. His conclusion was that it was a horrible affair that set people against each other. Slavery invited rebellion and rebellion invited retribution, which created more resentment ...
@MrRAGE-md5rj Жыл бұрын
Sounds like it'd make a fine documentary. Did you ever get his name?
@robertjarman3703 Жыл бұрын
Manumission laws changed over time and place. What were the things that induced this guy to not free his own slaves at least?
@theotherohlourdespadua1131 Жыл бұрын
@@robertjarman3703 Some places like North Carolina makes it illegal to free slaves, period...
@billyyank2198 Жыл бұрын
Where can I find that account? Sounds like a very instructive story.
@bjmccann1 Жыл бұрын
This story smacks of, "I don't beat my slaves (so much), and I give them an extra ration of pork fat on Sunday, and those ungrateful bastards the gall to want to be treated like actual human beings."
@Ruosteinenknight Жыл бұрын
I've also heard comparisons between indentured servitude and slavery. There's no denying that indentured servitude could get abusive, but they one fundamental difference with slavery was that indentured servants weren't considered property and they had limited number of rights. All what slaves certainly didn't have.
@woaddragon Жыл бұрын
@@joepetto9488 no they did not, we can just look at the legal system to see that. For example, indentured servant could sue, and slave could not.
@woaddragon Жыл бұрын
@@joepetto9488 I don't know man, I see the legal codes for Virginia and South Carolina, and the laws is so much in flavor of the slave owners, that whatever fines or punishment that did exist was inconsequential. For example, On the casual killing of slaves, all the way in 1669, you could be fined if a slave died during a punishment, but only if he was not "resisting". Most laws about excessive punishment, and abandonment have similar have the same sense of vagueness and exception. That assuming of course, a legal case could be heard. As for the idea that most slave owners were belovent, that a matter of opinions. Would a slave or a slave owner have the same idea of what belovent is?
@Awesomeisme7000 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 You are considered property of your fucking company the hours you decide to sign off your life 😂😂😂
@amberhide0410 сағат бұрын
there definetely has a parallel of labor under capitalism and slavery, of course the violence far from being on the same level, but the violence of it is undeniable
@TheNightWatcher1385 Жыл бұрын
The thing is, it doesn’t matter even if some slaves here and there were treated, “well.” Holding someone in unwilling bondage is violence, no matter how benevolently you treat them otherwise.
@yingyang1008 Жыл бұрын
Nobody disagrees with you - literally nobody
@TheNightWatcher1385 Жыл бұрын
@@yingyang1008 You’d be surprised.
@johnramos8703 Жыл бұрын
@@yingyang1008 many people are disagreeing in this very comment section, a few are even saying that slavery was right based on fringe statistics about race that were litterally made by nazi researchers. I understand you want to believe people are better than that but it is demonstrably false if you read a few threads here
@yingyang1008 Жыл бұрын
@@johnramos8703 No one is saying slavery is good or that we should reintroduce it So stop lying
@OutbackCatgirl Жыл бұрын
@@yingyang1008 I've literally seen people unironically saying exactly that. I'm sorry to shatter your faith in humanity, but there genuinely are people out in the world - I've even met a few, and it was horrible - that believe some people are subhuman and should be slaves. I wish i was lying. I wish i could tell you that people are better than that. White supremacists and pro slavery nutjobs are very much real, as much as we all desperately want them not to be.
@lukebeich Жыл бұрын
I'd imagine that anyone who argues in favor of slavery nowadays would never consider becoming a slave themselves. Pretty convenient.
@yingyang1008 Жыл бұрын
But no one argues in favor of slavery - literally no one
@richard-fish-monger Жыл бұрын
@@yingyang1008 you're kinda blind or haven't been on the internet long enough. There's tons arguing basically in favor for it
@Promislandzion Жыл бұрын
You don’t consider becoming a slave your made one lol.
@richard-fish-monger Жыл бұрын
@@Promislandzion considering being one meaning, thinking what it actually meant to be a slave. Your kinda dumb for not getting that
@PandaIC Жыл бұрын
@@PromislandzionI’ve seen your comment across multiple comments just say your racist and move on
@krissichan3127 Жыл бұрын
The rant at 3:40 reminded me of how I was jumped by people on Facebook for saying I don't like Elon Musk. Being a person of color, I guess that lead to the deluge of assumptions on my political leanings and who I vote for. Was truly eye-opening on how ignorant and combative our society is right now.
@rasheed7934 Жыл бұрын
It should tell you who you shouldn't ally yourself to.
@hilariousname6826 Жыл бұрын
The US is so extremely polarized that it's virtually impossible to even discuss the weather with someone not of your persuasion ("Oh - so you believe in climate change??!! Go get another vax!!!"). And because Americans are all over the internet, the rest of the world gets dragged in .....
@kid14346 Жыл бұрын
"The comments aren't real life" is the best thing ever. I need to remember that.
@samuelazzaro Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think the funniest thing about pro-slavery arguments is that, fundamentally, slavery in every form has always been fundamentally justified by one mentality. It is ok b/c they are an other. They are a different race, religion, class, etc. You will never fundamentally hear someone argue that the enslavement of their own specific group of people is a good thing, b/c then its not an other you can dehumanize as easily.
@penultimateh766 Жыл бұрын
No modern person OTHER than anonymous internet trolls has ever said slavery is OK. This is a straw man used to attack conservative people.
@Folkmjolk Жыл бұрын
The only people that were pro-slavery were a couple of crazy southerns and the Africans states that did the enslaving. Most people were anti-abolition, arguing that abolishing slavery would be a disaster.
@JABN97 Жыл бұрын
@@penultimateh766 mate, here a small piece of advice for you: when you see someone being attacked for saying that slavery is okay, and your first instinct is "this is a stawmen being used to attack my political orientation", maybe it's time for some deep self-reflection. Because what you effectively just said is that YOU believe that the general public believes pro-slavery attitudes are close enough to your political orientation that they will associate that special kind of idiotic evil with your political views. And if your views are close enough that, by your own admission, the general public associates pro-slavery with your politics, maybe your political views need to be re-examined. just a though. as an aside, anyone who is pro-slavery can not be conservative, nor can anyone who is pro-segregation be conservative. Because by definition, 'conservative' means 'to preserve what is'. Instead, those kind of believes are best described as regressive aka 'wanting to regress, go back, become less'.
@brucetucker4847 Жыл бұрын
That's true of the modern institution but wasn't true in the ancient world. Many if not most slaves in ancient Greece were debt-slaves. The Romans generally didn't enslave their own citizens, but they didn't shy away from enslaving even other Italians.
@brucetucker4847 Жыл бұрын
@@JABN97 Who here has been attacked for saying slavery is okay? Who here has said it's okay? All I see is someone attacking a straw man and the reply saying it's attacking a straw man.
@OtakuJuanma2 Жыл бұрын
We've reached a point in history where slavery isn't unanimously seen as a bad thing... I'm so unbelievably concerned for humanity, especially USAmericans.
@yingyang1008 Жыл бұрын
Who believes slavery is a good thing - list some names
@OtakuJuanma2 Жыл бұрын
@@yingyang1008 You just watched a whole video regarding people in the comment section of a poll. I saw them, but I didn't take notes of their usernames.
@yingyang1008 Жыл бұрын
@@OtakuJuanma2 None of them argued that slavery is good or should be reintroduced Literally no one believes that
@OtakuJuanma2 Жыл бұрын
@@yingyang1008 I never said reintroduced. They argued "slavery was fine actually" (direct quote)
@zandaroos553 Жыл бұрын
Reached? Baby I’m a black Jamaican-American. If you watch isekai animes they treat slavery as minor inconveniences half the time. There British people who still talked about how the colonization of Jamaica & Africa overall “benefitted” their societies. People would fly Confederate flags all the time in my hometown. Not to mention all the paramilitary-led neoslavery in the Sahel and Congo, sex slavery world wide and normalization of state-neoslavery in the Arab Gulf States. This disgusting part of humanity has always been there. It’s no stronger today than any other time in history. The internet simply makes it more public.
@astralbody137 күн бұрын
Friendly reminder that fortnite outlived the confederacy
@fractal-dreamz5 күн бұрын
Ghostbuster’s Cereal lasted longer, for God’s sake lmao
@CalciumEnjoyerКүн бұрын
My edgy phase lasted longer than the confederacy☠️
@danielnemesio33888 күн бұрын
I remember being called a downer for commenting of a "nice" scene from the Roots series when a white girl teaches a slave girl how to read was still a form of dominance and ownership. In the scene in question, the white girl shares her excitement of the lessons as wants to show the slave girl how to read, because for her it would be fun, she treats like she is teaching a dog a trick, but the slave girl is reluctant and clearly expresses her worries by saying that literate slaves are punished, teh white girl says "only if someone finds out" and immediately someone finds out and the slave girls' dad is lashed for it. The white girl had absolutely no lasting consequences other than her dad being kind of mad for her fraternising with the slaves, but she wasn't the one who was going to get whipped and she knew it. Even if a kid from the big house was friendly and played with the slave kids, that's still a relationship based on coercion, the white kid holds all the power and the slave kids can't deny playing with him, and in their minds they end up being toys, not friends. Something that you love but don't see as an equal is a pet, not a friend. There was never and there will never be a good slave or kind slave master by the nature that they are slave master. That being said, God calls his followers or compares them to slaves tons of times in the bible. Food for thought
@kurtberliner7049 Жыл бұрын
I am fairly big into like the history of the 1800s till right about the end of the Cold War. It is insane how many people refuse to touch on certain topics to instead just focus on “muh cool uniforms, coulda won”. Like, so many of these wars and conflicts throughout history are not limited to the battlefield. History isn’t only about war, but sadly people tend to forget that
@Tarnatos14 Жыл бұрын
A german historian (not an academic one though) once said: History is a t least as much about peace, as about war and to explore the ways of piece and how its conducted is at least as interesting and valubale as to do with wars. (Sebastian Haffner)
@danielomar9712 Жыл бұрын
You gotta admit Rebel barefoot is pretty intriguing
@hngh6404 Жыл бұрын
It’s excellent that you’re covering this topic. In military history, especially in the fields of WWII and the Civil War, it’s so easy for things like slavery or the Holocaust to be forgotten in favour of guns, tanks and explosions so it’s great to see when people talk about the reasons these wars were fought Keep up the amazing work
@BrandonF Жыл бұрын
I even had one commenter basically say to me "Brandon nobody wants to see this- talk about military stuff instead" and it kind of convinced me that I ought to make more videos like this.
@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын
@@BrandonF War is the continuation of politics by more violent means, the whole of military history is just a particular side of political history
@jamesharding3459 Жыл бұрын
@@warlordofbritannia Not all of Clausewitz's dictums aged well, but he hit gold with that one.
@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын
@@jamesharding3459 That is because the maxim is especially true as regards modern warfare between nation-states, which is what Clausewitz observed first hand. It’s less an accurate prediction than a statement on reality, and thus retains its truth beyond the age of muzzle-loading muskets. It should be noted, however, that one can find examples of war as a different societal phenomenon, largely removed from politics outside of the post-Enlightenment age.
@C0NSTANTINUS Жыл бұрын
WW2 and the Civil War , WW2 was to stop nazi germany and save poland and end japanese expansion. The Civil war was about preserving the nation , most union soldiers only fought to preserve the nation.
@southbayjay2540 Жыл бұрын
“Freedom or death” mfs when someone criticizes slavery
@tristanmisja Жыл бұрын
За свободы! Убей монолит и грех!
@Hifuutorian Жыл бұрын
The amount of libertarians I see who go to bat for the Confederacy in that regard is unreal.
@MG-ls8gm Жыл бұрын
Just remind them that annoying orange lasted longer than the actually confederacy
@hollandaster8230 Жыл бұрын
A real American hero 🍊
@intergalactictitanium3566 Жыл бұрын
HEYY!! HEY APPLE! HEYYYY HEYYY
@Laikafan026 ай бұрын
@@intergalactictitanium3566 WHAT?!!
@SpoopySquid11 күн бұрын
The brony fandom has lasted over twice as long as the Confederacy
@HellbirdIV Жыл бұрын
The problem with this whole argument is that it's comparing slavery to a hypothetical worse slavery, not to being free. It's not a defense of slavery, it's a deflection.
@yingyang1008 Жыл бұрын
But no one is defending slavery What is wrong with you?
@lordedmundblackadder9321 Жыл бұрын
@@yingyang1008 At least half of the comments on this video are defending slavery. Sort by new and see for yourself.
@yingyang1008 Жыл бұрын
@@lordedmundblackadder9321 Do you understand what 'defending slavery' means? There's not a single comment saying slavery is a good thing
@deandrefrench7660 Жыл бұрын
@@yingyang1008 people who think there is nothing wrong with slavery cant say exactly that or else they would be crucified. So they have to say something like 'it was bad, but it wasn't that bad.'
@johnramos8703 Жыл бұрын
@@yingyang1008 that is very small minded
@youngimperialistmkii Жыл бұрын
Excellent work. The fact that each and every time an educational youtuber seeks to examine this history. The "peanut gallery" of usual suspects come out of the woodwork with their objections. Goes to, as you said yourself. To prove the necessity of talking about this history. Keep it up.👍🏾
@ferrik1675 Жыл бұрын
Teaching and discussing history will simply never become unnecessary. Humanity can only learn by the lessons of their fathers and forefathers (and mothers and foremothers), and the time between the United States’s slavery times, transitionary times, to now, is large to us, but in the great history of the world, is rather minuscule. It is ESPECIALLY important, vital even, that a nation as young as the U.S. MUST remind itself of its history not on the yearly, monthly, or even weekly, but daily. We have existed far shorter than most other powers of the globe, and just like the youths of animals and people, we will continue to thrash and throw our power around until it bites us in the rear and harshly teaches us more lessons. The difference between this being a sad process, or a good one, is entirely dependent on just how willing our public and government (BOTH EQUALLY IMPORTANT TO EQUALLY PUT FORTH EFFORT) are to accept these lessons.
@vicenteisaaclopezvaldez2450 Жыл бұрын
I believe that while good can understand evil, evil can't understand good, for when evil understands good, it is destroyed.
@fishboy36126 сағат бұрын
And when evil understands evil it is a step away from good.
@rebillion9442 Жыл бұрын
not only are these “arguments for slavery by logic” ridiculous and fallacious, there is simply no viable answer to the question of in what case it would be acceptable to own another person
@rodionraskolnikov38535 ай бұрын
Well why is it unacceptable to own another human?
@bjmccann1 Жыл бұрын
Why abuse your own slaves? As Voltaire famously said [in reference to executing soldiers and sailors] "pour encourager les autres" (literally, to encourage the others). Slaves were PUBLICLY punished, not just punish that slave, but to let the others know what could, and would, happen to them if they displeased the master, his agents, or the public at large.
@carlycrays2831 Жыл бұрын
I'm also pretty sure it was a weird fetish thing
@paisleepunk Жыл бұрын
@@carlycrays2831 depends on the master
@gozer87 Жыл бұрын
Oddly or sadly enough, I was one of those "slavery always existed, almost all cultures engaged in it, don't blame the enslavers". Then I watched Amistad, specifically the Middle Passage scenes, and realized what a brutal inhuman inexcusable act it is to enslave a fellow human being.
@forickgrimaldus8301 Жыл бұрын
Just because everyone does it doesn't mean its inherently good morally, in Medieval times Sacking was a really common practice to Cities that didn't surrender for example, yeah the system was common and regularly used to maintain the State but that doesn't mean by Principle that makes the acts good themselves, especially to the later periods of Industrialization. While I prefer to measure people in history based on their Contemporaries, that doesn't mean it excuses the faults of the Period.
@rnp497 Жыл бұрын
admission of a previous stance that was 'simplistic' shows courage. Way to many with a public forum would do well to learn from your example.
@Dave0G Жыл бұрын
It is all too easy to step from "it wasn't uniquely evil" to "thus it can be disregarded", losing the evil part in the transition.
@brucetucker4847 Жыл бұрын
Your first two clauses aren't negated by your last. if we're going to have an intelligent discussion of slavery, it has to address the question is why so very many societies over so many millennia found it acceptable and even virtuous. And why that changed. Although it should be noted that while slavery was very widespread in history it was by no means universal, and it could take very different forms and involve different levels of cruelty. Of course, it could be found de facto where it was not recognized de jure. The Belgians never had a _legal_ institution of slavery in the Congo, but their methods of extracting labor from the colonized population were far more horrific than anything ever seen in North America.
@nigeh5326 Жыл бұрын
@@brucetucker4847thanks for mentioning Belgium in the Congo. It doesn’t get talked about enough how horrific it was
@mr.pavone97199 күн бұрын
Them. "slavery wasn't so bad..." Me: "Oh yeah? Sell me one of your children."
@user-xh6pl7od1t4 күн бұрын
“But the confederacy wanted to protect states rights that that federal government was taking away!” “Oh yeah? What right was the federal government trying to take away?” They get really quiet when you ask them that.
@walterreeves3679 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Having grown up in the latter days of the Jim Crow south I heard all of these apologias for slavery in one form or another, at one time or another, throughout my childhood and adolescence. None of them can get away from the central reality: there is no such thing as humane slavery.
@walterreeves3679 Жыл бұрын
@@habibishapur I'm observant enough to recognize that racism is a moronic crutch for people who spend their lives desperately seeking some reason to feel superior to others despite all evidence to the contrary.
@austrianking6052 Жыл бұрын
@@habibishapur cope harder april 9er
@johnramos8703 Жыл бұрын
@@habibishapur garbage proving once again why a video like this is important
@godsdj7316 Жыл бұрын
@@habibishapur "How they behave now"? Buddy, I have black American friends who have never even committed a crime or argued with someone in public, let alone "behaved" in any bad fashion. One of them is working three jobs to stay afloat right now, and despises how politically polarising some of his friends are. Stereotyping an entire race is stupid, especially when doing so ignores so much economic history.
@godsdj7316 Жыл бұрын
@@habibishapur If you see someone refer to white people as "they" to state that black supremacists have a point, are you going to expect people to take such an argument as "per capita", or to view such an argument as referring to the majority or the entirety of a race's population within a nation's boundaries?
@helwrecht1637 Жыл бұрын
Let it always bee remembered that John Wesley, founder of Methodism, lived through the entire 1700s and thought all that crap about black’s being inferior was stupid
@greenmountainhistory7335 Жыл бұрын
As a Methodist I agree, the first hundred or so years of our denomination’s history is wonderful. We eventually made a (in hindsight) huge mistake in advocating prohibition. On the bright side Welch’s came out of it.
@Ukraineaissance2014 Жыл бұрын
Got a lot of respect for methodists, my grandparents were methodist socialists, at first they came across as very reserved, mild people but it was suprisingly how radical their ideas were. In this part of North england they had a huge impact. Taking the pledge or taking the ribbon were still things when i was young (the 90s))
@Burgerzaza Жыл бұрын
Yeah as a gay man who was raised Methodist in Oklahoma, they're the only denomination I've encountered where the adherents can be consistently relied on to be good people and Christians.
@ivannegrozny5388 Жыл бұрын
Have you ever encountered any serious studies regarding IQ differences between groups? Or regarding genetic influence on aggressive behaviour?
@keirangrant1607 Жыл бұрын
There were a lot of white people who knew this, but would be called traitors and worse for trying to be humane
@2manykeys Жыл бұрын
Me, usually: "I wouldn't call myself a patriot." Me when a neo-confederate bothers me: "HELL YEAH AMERICA" In all seriousness the States Rights crowd has poisoned so much...
@MagnusDudus Жыл бұрын
States power should supercede the fed
@nomadic-jack8865 Жыл бұрын
@@MagnusDudusstates rights cuck lmao
@pureexile1702 Жыл бұрын
@@MagnusDuduswhy?
@thesaucyapple549611 күн бұрын
Even with morality put entirely aside, slavery as a concept is not only an outdated and barbaric practice, but has also always led to economic conflict without fail.
@stamfordly6463 Жыл бұрын
Well said. Particularly the point about consent... I used to rage against people who praised the "Spartacus" TV series that was on a few years ago on the grounds that it was basically nothing more than artfully lit rape fantasy and the idea of it turned my stomach. Cicero's point about the routine torturing of all slaves giving evidence and how they would say whatever they thought you wanted, crystallised the horror of it a very long time ago.
@warlordofbritannia Жыл бұрын
I still can’t believe that was treated like a prestigious show, for the longest time I thought it was just “Game of Thrones nude scenes the show” Turns out it actually preceded GoT by a year. Go figure
@brucetucker4847 Жыл бұрын
Everyone wants to pretend that Roman slavery was somehow kinder and gentler, because the tiny minority of beloved house servants tended to be treated relatively well and were often loyal to their masters, and those are the only voices of enslaved people that have been preserved in literature (which was, of course, written by the masters). Of course the same was true in the antebellum south. HBO's Rome gave a much more accurate picture of Roman slavery, even if it did still focus mostly on the privileged urban personal servants.
@carlycrays2831 Жыл бұрын
@@brucetucker4847 I think it is more that Roman slaves had a small legal pathway to freedom. The problem is that this pathway wasn't really available to all slaves and it completely ignores the absolute horrors many slaves were legally subjected to. And it ignores that there were often different classes of slaves.
@moosepocalypse6500 Жыл бұрын
For this argument, a quote from the Disney film Return of Jafar comes to mind... "you'd be surprised what you can live through" in reference to Jafar being unable to kill them. This I think applies to this situation as well. The argument that a master won't risk their "investment" seems to imply that a master has to kill or cripple their slave in order to abuse them. However, as we know, it is possible to inflict great agony and misery on a person without killing or crippling them. Thus a master could inflict great suffering on slaves without putting their "investment" at much risk. I think slavery is an absolutely abhorrent act, regardless of how the victims are treated, and am shocked that so many would be offended by the idea that slavery is bad. People are shockingly stupid and awful sometimes 😒
@modernmajorgeneral4669 Жыл бұрын
“Return of Jafar”, the modern Shakespeare
@diegode415 Жыл бұрын
If someone tells you "slavery is bad" and the first word that comes out of your mouth is "well" you need Jesus
@zengd8017 Жыл бұрын
Well yeah
@diegode415 Жыл бұрын
@@zengd8017 but when they stretch the word
@Marlin123 Жыл бұрын
I'm Jewish
@intergalactictitanium3566 Жыл бұрын
@@diegode415welllllll yeah
@BigWheel.11 ай бұрын
Slavery is bad. Until the slaves are out of sight and are the ones mining lithium for our phone/car batteries, or making our clothing. Then it appears alot of people throw out their contempt for the institution for a form of apathy akin to a white southerner saying the institution has been around so long they could do nothing to stop it. And so you get people going "well I NEED my phone" or Well, my tesla doesn't use gas" or "well I buy all my clothes at kohl's not Walmart" to make this needless consumption seem justifiable. but you don't get alot of people really thinking about how we benefit entirely from slave labor STILL, or at the very least, 3rd world laborors who have no real future working for awful pay under truly hazardous conditions. I guess my point is, even OP is the type pf person to go "well..." when confronted about the reality of slavery, they simply need to be confronted with the right question.
@thatkingdomheartsguy9615 Жыл бұрын
Im shocked that people are trying to turn slavery is bad into a hot take.
@koppite9600 Жыл бұрын
Slavery is bad because its expensive. Slavery is bad because slaves wear sad faces and owners don't like it. Wdyt?
@chadthompson3003 Жыл бұрын
@@koppite9600they wore those sad faces bc they were enslaved? How are y'all missing that part is beyond me
@koppite9600 Жыл бұрын
@@chadthompson3003 what did I miss?
@chadthompson3003 Жыл бұрын
@@koppite9600 tbh idr, After finding alot of stupid fuckin ppl here I got stoned and passed out lol
@jonahulichny9874 Жыл бұрын
@@koppite9600 dude, if all you have is sarcasm, then shut the fuck up.
@BryanSchilligo Жыл бұрын
I've been a fan for a while, but this is one of the best videos you've ever produced. It's important not to ignore these topics in "histori-tainment" circles and your refusal to hedge or concede ground in an attempt to appease "certain segments" of your audience was admirable and cathartic.
@wellesradio Жыл бұрын
“They were treated like family!” If I enslaved my family like that I would be in prison for a long time. It would make the news. You’d call me a monster. Hell, the word “monster” or “nightmare” would even be in the title of the TV movie, bestselling crime book, and numerous podcasts detailing the years of enslavement. Imagine doing that to generations of families, women, men, children, the elderly, the infirm.
@boyznthewoodz770 Жыл бұрын
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@Direfloof Жыл бұрын
Great video. Just discovered your channel the other day. I really enjoy your delivery and the quality of your audio editing. Thank you for respecting the value of punctual silences between your thoughts for letting people actually process your ideas. The way so many younger (pardon the age jab) video essayists edit their takes makes it feel like they’re practically interrupting themselves. You’ve got a good style developing. Keep it up!
@spiffygonzales5160 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. The evil of slavery isn't just in the beatings and killings, but in the actual system itself where an individual is totally deprived of freedom and stripped of basic human rights. Ngl I thought this was gonna be another "bashing beo confeds" video. I was wrong. Good vid.
@elzoog Жыл бұрын
"in the actual system itself where an individual is totally deprived of freedom and stripped of basic human rights. " You mean, like the public school system?
@scrotoschannel6709 Жыл бұрын
Human rights as which? If you argue life and some degree of respect as rights everyone could accept that, but with freedom it is much more complicated, even now freedom to say or do certain things is lower.
@SpoopySquid Жыл бұрын
@@elzoog false equivalence is false
@TheOnlyKingBee Жыл бұрын
@@scrotoschannel6709 funny thing about rights is that they can be abused and usually people that hide behind "free speech" and such if you look closely you'll see things that are really fking bad. Few names come to my mind such as Ben Shapiro, and that psychologist wannabe who were so popular on the internet because they were mad people against other mad people.
@friendguy13 Жыл бұрын
@@SpoopySquid No it's pretty accurate. Public schools are satanic.
@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t Жыл бұрын
I don't think it's a coincidence that a lot of people who believe these arguments about slavery also believe that children would benefit from a damned good thrashing from time to time, just on priniciple, or that a job underground in the mines would be a fine way to celebrate their 5th birthday and that you can and should abduct children that aren't straight and take them away until the gay has been prayed/starved/beaten/otherwise abused out of them.
@silverhawkscape2677 Жыл бұрын
Now they want to beat straight out of you. Some studies claim straight people don't exist anyways. 😭
@bastardgoose Жыл бұрын
Anybody who defends slavery should experience it.
@Ayem42714 күн бұрын
It's always crazy to me that this is even a debate, like dude I'm Slavic-Celtic, ALL of my ancestors were threatened by slave raids from the Norse, the Ottomans, etc, lile how do more of us NOT understand how bad slavery is, especially those of us whose ancestors were threatened by it on a daily basis??
@andremacedo846314 күн бұрын
Well tbh this was a lot of time ago, not trying to justify but colonial slavery is way more recent and thus way more present in society
@lokikinch Жыл бұрын
I think of lot of the vitriol coming from the mentioning American slavery in the south stems from the good old "The civil war was about states rights!" Argument... which funnily enough most southern states did mention slavery as a reason of leaving the union in their secession declarations, but all in all great video Brandon keep up the amazing work!
@Stand_watie Жыл бұрын
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_units_of_Indian_Territory We also had an entire army of natives fighting for freedom and against extinction just saying
@lokikinch Жыл бұрын
@@Stand_watie Yeah, desperate people who had their land stolen from them given a chance to get their land back. Not exactly surprising they would take that chance for it back considering how important their homelands are to them.
@jaegercat6702 Жыл бұрын
@@Stand_watie both the Union and the Confederacy were heavily racist against the natives. They were fighting in order to maybe negotiate a better deal and keep their land a few extra decades, assuming the Confederacy kept their word, which they probably wouldn’t have. Them being there has no bearing on the morality of the Confederacy
@lokikinch Жыл бұрын
@@jaegercat6702 exactly what I meant, thanks for wording that better lol
@Dap1ssmonk Жыл бұрын
@@Stand_watie “yeah the nazis weren’t bad, if they were bad Finland wouldn’t join them!” Bruh
@Dave0G Жыл бұрын
I had only previously seen the "valuable assets" argument applied relative to treatment of people when they were easily replaceable "assets" - either the brutal killing fields of pre-1830's sugar or the incomprehensibly short survival times of leased prisoners post reconstruction. That people can go from "it was less of a slaughter" to "so they had it pretty good" is taking a mile from an inch.
@flyingtank8 күн бұрын
how the fuck is this a debate
@timothytosser2882 күн бұрын
Because people are racist, yeah that's it
@EmissaryofWind Жыл бұрын
Not only were black people seen as less intelligent and needing more punishment, they were also thought to be less sensitive to pain, and that misconception is frighteningly common in healthcare workers to this day. This view that was used to justify violence against black people centuries ago continues to kill black people today. That's exactly why debunking these arguments is so important, real human lives are still at stake.
@tristanmisja Жыл бұрын
I agree with you, but I want to point something out, which is that the slaves were actually less intelligent, but that's just because they weren't given the opprotunities to learn.
@CarpeVerpa Жыл бұрын
@tristanmisja "Less educated" would probably be the better term. Black people have the same intellectual capacity as anyone else and always have. What makes a difference is having opportunities to develop that capacity through learning.
@EmissaryofWind Жыл бұрын
@@CarpeVerpa Yes, the term "intelligent" is really fraught because of colonialism, racism and capitalism, but if you define it as some kind of innate aptitude for logical thinking, then calling Black people less intelligent is absolutely incorrect. What is true is that Black people at the time of the Civil War, and to a lesser but still significant degree today, are given less education, less time to explore and deepen their cognitive abilities, less opportunities to learn and stimulate their cognitive abilities, and so on. All of this resulting in a reduced ability to perform what society views as intelligence, such as standardized tests, IQ tests and obtaining degrees.
@tristanmisja Жыл бұрын
@@CarpeVerpa Yeah, of course, that's what I'm saying. But generally you would say that someone who's uneducated isn't very intelligent compared to someone who is.
@noodles24601 Жыл бұрын
Something people tend to gloss over with Sally Hemings in particular is that she was 14 when Thomas Jefferson first assaulted her. He was 44. Obviously it's bad either way but it really adds to how disgusting the situation was and too many people are way too quick to just gloss over the fact he raped a child. Understanding his contributions to history is one thing, and is important, but he was a human being with some very very serious flaws, not some sort of member of an American pantheon everyone needs to worship.
@oldhunternadir4194 Жыл бұрын
There’s no proof that ever happened.
@diontes1480 Жыл бұрын
@@oldhunternadir4194we're gonna gloss over the fact that he had a confirmed 600 slaves of which he freed in total of 7 in his life?
@MrRAGE-md5rj Жыл бұрын
You gonna tear down the Washington monument, next?
@ineednochannelyoutube2651 Жыл бұрын
@@MrRAGE-md5rj there is a very sharp line between recognizing the evils some people we worship today committed and wanting to tear down a monument to them. Jefferson and Washington both set very important precedents regarding our constitution and democracy, ironically making the abolition of the very evils they practiced possible. We should tear down the monuments to the confederacy though. They had no redeeming features.
@ebluegamer5397 Жыл бұрын
@@ineednochannelyoutube2651 as Doobus Goobus put it, the Confederacy lasted for less time than Annoying Orange and were just a bunch of traitors that took a deserved L. "State's rights to do *what?*"
@commandercorl1544 Жыл бұрын
"Slavery is bad." Is where people should stop. Where it becomes an issue, is when someone says "Slavery is bad, but-" There are no "but"s or "if"s.
@adisappointedfbiagent449 Жыл бұрын
Morality changes over time with different people, cultures, and nations. Not justifying anything but to truly understand a period of history I think it's important to try to look at it through the lense of those that lived and contributed to the time.
@commandercorl1544 Жыл бұрын
@@adisappointedfbiagent449 I'm talking about modern day. But for centuries people have known slavery is bad, it's just the culture liked it. Now, the culture doesn't like it, people should all know it's bad, but people hold out.
@freneticness6927 Жыл бұрын
Or slavery was bad and therefore white people are evil and black people are great.
@humptydumpty3345 Жыл бұрын
Ive recently been looking into my family history and I’ve found a couple distant slave owners on my fathers side. One of them being Abel Jackson, who’s father was Captain Stephen Jackson. Reading the wills of the owners were surreal, the way they discussed ownership of their slaves was disturbing, they had given them plain English names and talked of weather they were to be freed, sold, or left to the children. It was very eye opening.
@yotamedri121912 күн бұрын
i never realized how similar the relation of a pimp to his prostitute and that of a slave owner and his slave.
@BrahmaDBA Жыл бұрын
The argument that slavemasters make on how their slaves are treated so well can be dismantled by a simple act. If the masters treated their slaves so well why don't they just free them and let them choose whether they still want to work for him as a worker and employer? Why the need of keeping them as slaves if they're so good towards them?
@Awesomeisme7000 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂Sharecroppers were slaves of those times, difference being that the plantation owner wasn't legally enforced to feed, bathe, or give a shit as well as whole other protections... those guys were fucked 😂😂😂
@kraziecatclady Жыл бұрын
17:17 when you were talking about owners doing as they wish with their slaves, the awful thought came to mind about how some people severely abuse and even kill their children. If people are capable of doing something like that to their own child, I can't even imagine what they might do to slaves. Sadly, slave owners probably got in less trouble (if any) if they killed their slaves (on accident or on purpose).
@Peter-jo6yu Жыл бұрын
Very true. Apologies for slavery is basically apologies for right to abuse
@sassymedea3065 Жыл бұрын
To add to your point in 1669 Virginia passed an act regarding the casual killing of enslaved people: “If any slave resist his master (or other by his master's order correcting him) and by the extremity of the correction should chance to die, that his death shall not be accompted felony.” They are also accounts of the children of the slave owner and his slave being physically abused even to the point of death by the wives of slave owners.
@freneticness6927 Жыл бұрын
@@sassymedea3065 Thats 1669. There are quite a few cases of slave owners being hanged for killing slaves.
@pigminy13 сағат бұрын
I only watched 1 second of the video and all I have to say is slavery was bad, thank you for coming to my Ted talk
@memonk11 Жыл бұрын
This video is banned in Florida.
@Nerobyrne Жыл бұрын
"It's not about food. It's about keeping those ants in line!"
@coryfice1881 Жыл бұрын
Anyone who believes that chattel slavery and the confederacy were good deserves nothing but contempt and belittlement.
@yingyang1008 Жыл бұрын
Literally no one believes chattel slavery is good The fact that you so want to believe that people do support it is utterly fascinating - you so desperately want to live in this world where you are a crusader against slavery
@baneofbanes Жыл бұрын
@@yingyang1008 except there are people who do in fact believe that. Nad not only that but there are people who will make excuses for it and say it wasn’t that bad, in this very comments section.
@coryfice1881 Жыл бұрын
@@yingyang1008 And you want to live in a world where your vapid drama queen drivel is somehow considered intellectual speak.
@Gamerguy826 Жыл бұрын
Anyone who tries to treat the Confederates differently from the Nazis should be treated with suspicion. People often forget that both groups were both immensely built on the backs of slaves.
@TheRedneckBudha Жыл бұрын
@@yingyang1008 tell me you've never been to the American "deep south" without actually saying it.